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Is Our Leaders Learning?

I don’t have the same experience or smarts as Paul Krugman, but I too have learned a similar lesson:

The most valuable lesson I learned from the year I spent in Washington (1982-1983, on the staff of the Council of Economic advisers . . . ) was the extent to which senior government figures have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about.

In 2006 I met a Congressional candidate who was being heavily pushed by his/her Party’s congressional committee. Since the person was looking for endorsements and campaign volunteers, I felt it incumbent to at least ask a few questions.

One of the questions I asked was very simple: What Congressional committee or committees would you like to be part of? This is a standard question I ask candidates because it gives me an idea of what their priorities would be. It also gives me clues as to their understanding of the legislative process. The answer I received from this candidate was underwhelming, to say the least: he didn’t know. Furthermore, a little bit of insight was revealed, perhaps accidentally. The person said that the way Congress works, it doesn’t really matter what most representatives think. There are a handful of “experts” who the rest of Congress listens to. Perhaps this explains why so few congresscritters actually read an entire bill, start to finish.

I have another little anecdote. I helped to organize a meeting between a group of college students and a former cabinet secretary. Several of us came up with a rather comprehensive list of questions which I felt were crude and perhaps not the most in depth and knowledgeable. To my surprise, the Secretary mentioned that he had been meeting with congresspersons for years and been involved in many committee hearings and that our questions were as good or better than most of his meetings with the nation’s leaders. At the time I took it as a hyperbolic and polite gesture. Having met candidates and current office holders since then suggests that the Secretary was probably being genuine.

One of the criticisms of Bush was that he lacked intellectual curiosity. While I find that to be a legitimate criticism, the lack of intellectual curiosity is probably more widespread than most of us would like to admit. I notice a lot amongst Congress and in the media punditocracy the ability to regurgitate talking points, but often there is little evidence of a deep understanding of the issues beyond their second hand opinions.

Why does this bother me? Well, the country seems to have been transformed into a permanent campaign mode, where the ability to campaign has dramatically outweighed expertise and intellectual curiosity. The need to raise incredible amounts of money and the BS that goes along with campaigns prevents a lot of people who should be in office from running for office at all. This means that we have a surplus of folks who can spew talking points, but a shortage of people who are as deeply critical as I’d like to see.

  • Linda Anselmi

    Excellent post and points. Former senator of Nebraska Bob Kerry wrote an op-ed back in Nov? discussing that Dems may have been wrong about the need for campaign finance reform. That unlimited small dollar individual donations will keep things in check. I’m thinking it was in the new york post. It’s scary. Too many politicians now are clueless and could care less.

    • Linda Anselmi

      Just to clarify – the thrust was that Obama proved spending limits weren’t the problem it was the big bad large donors as the source was the problem and unreported small $ donations would be the solution. Which would give the parties more control, since they would control the machinery. Just like wanting to take away a governors power to appoint replacements. They want elections, but with party generated candidates. Its all about party power.

  • bart

    I’ve taught school as well. It’s like assigning group projects and the group depends on only one kid to actually do the work. No one wants to pony up when they think someone else will pull the load. And that means those who actually do the work are somewhat at the mercy of the ankle biters who want to see how the “things go” before committing.

    You would think if someone doesn’t contribute he has no basis for complaint, but it doesn’t work that way. Instead, those who couldn’t be bothered then step up and do the critiquing.

    Sounds like BO’s method in the Senate, doesn’t it?

    • pm317

      You would be interested in reading about Volunteers Dilemma in game theory (unless of course you already know it. :) )

      • Linda Anselmi

        Hey pm317. I have not heard of Volunteers Dilemma. I have been involved in quite a few volunteer organizations so have my own theories on their dynamics. will have to look into it. Thanks.

    • FLDemFem

      Well, from what I hear, his method in the Senate was to stop by the committee meetings, late, make a suggestion or two, then leave because he was so “busy”. Then he would turn up at the presser for the bill and step up to the mike and take credit for the bill. This annoyed his fellow Senators no end. Can’t say that I blame them, frankly. Oh, he did have time to write a second book while in the Senate, when he was too busy to do the actual work of being a Senator. Oh, he did find time to get earmarks for his old district, including one that got his wife a $190,000 raise.

      • Ignignokt

        Come on. You know you like him. You’re just having a hard time admitting it.

  • Solara 7

    Great post Chris Martin. You came right out and said it. I sadly have to agree that our leaders seem to be master at PR and…well…that may be about it.

    I have also found that it is everyday people who have the best grasp of what the real world is ike and therefore would ask the best questions.

  • pm317

    Very timely topic. Hope we can have a productive discussion on this.

    I agree with your assessment of the situation. After 8 years of at best mediocrity and at worst negligence, many have fallen into the same trap again and elected a Bush redux. None of the skills 0bama used to win the election are enough (or even relevant) to get through the economic and foreign policy challenges we currently have. I can be polite and say I hope he does well but I have my misgivings on a host of issues about his readiness. To see that the Congress is not much better is enough make you distraught. The media that ultimate arbiter of truth and enforcer of accountability is missing in action. I honestly don’t know where to start and what to hope for.

    • Ferd Berfle

      I honestly don’t know where to start and what to hope for.

      We could start with educating the electorate. When the phrase “we won” is used as a justification for a particular set of actions, we actually lose.

      • Peggy Sue

        A profound comment, Ferd.

        “When the phrase “we won” is used as a justification for a particular set of actions, we actually lose.”

        Chilling, too.

        • Ferd Berfle

          It is indeed but I see it a lot here on NQ from bots and from people in my local area. It would appear that–to them–winning is synonymous with being correct.

          • FLDemFem

            It isn’t. It just means they won the election and it’s their turn to fuck us over. And Obummer is doing a dandy job of that so far!!

          • oowawa

            Yes, Ferd. Another way of saying this:

            If you take 69,000,000 people who are clueless, their opinions are 3 times more legitimate than 23,000,000 people who are informed. So nyah nyah nyah!

            It’s simple math.

            • Ferd Berfle

              LMAO

              Uh-oh, oowawa, now you went and did it. I’ll wager we’ll see UKforDimBulbs at any minute, fresh from another smacking by someone named Fitzmichael.

        • http://ksclematis ksclematis

          How can the electorate be educated when they can’t remember anything from five minutes ago, and are not inquisitive enough to actually ask and think about the repercusions of what the educator is attempting (good, bad or indifferent) to relay??? ‘Me thinks’ a lot of voters were hoodwinked and not inquisitive, or thinking enough, this last election.

          Good post, Chris….

      • JozefAL

        And how different is that from being elected by an actual minority of the public and eventually being handed the Presidency by the US Supreme Court (which, according to the Constitution so cherished by several of the judges who supported the majority decision, was not the place for the issue to be resolved) and then declaring that you have a “mandate” for your agenda?
        While most of us who participated in the Democratic primaries and caucuses (as opposed to the GOPers on board) had our problems with the way that Obama “won”, he did receive a more definitive win in November than Dubya did in either of his Presidential elections. I’m in no way condoning the very mean-spirited way that the “we won” people have presented themselves, but let’s not forget how the Bushies had that very same mean-spirited attitude for almost the entire run of the Dubya Administration.

  • sowsear

    Unfortuantely, few seem to care, and the ones who do care, have a weak voice. Maybe that’s the way it’s always been; most go blithely about their daily lives and leave the hard thinking to someone else.

  • Ferd Berfle

    This means that we have a surplus of folks who can spew talking points, but a shortage of people who are as deeply critical as I’d like to see.

    And both parties suffer from it. There seems to be no middle ground of people who can listen to both sides of an issue, weigh the compelling evidence on either side, and come up with a satisfactory resolution, or at least a set of options. No, neither party can do that since one is either with them or against America. Bah. The art of compromise isn’t so much compromise as it is actually letting the opponent have a stake in the resolution.

    • Solara 7

      Good point Ferd.

  • Tricia Spiegel

    This is what we should ALL be talking about. I wish all of us would wake up and see the seriousness of the point Chris Martin is making. How can we possibly maintain our status in the world if “campaign mode” continues and we have few who know what is happening.

    I know there are some smart people up there, but where are the likes of leaders like Wesley Clark? Is his level of brilliance just too far out for the mediocre to deal with?

    • Ferd Berfle

      I’m afraid that a lot of Americans want to be told what to think rather than learn the issues and judge for themselves. Then there is the appeal to false authority when the MSM calls their talking heads “experts”, a term which is tossed about so often, it is bereft of any real meaning.

    • pm317

      American democracy is afraid to show chinks in its armor. It started with the 2000 elections. A smooth transition of power is well and good but not at the cost of the health of its democracy. It shows how critical a fair and just press/media is for a healthy democracy — they are the voice of the unheard and the source of truth for the same. The current state of affairs reminds me of a rich family who is trying to shove all its dirty laundry under the carpet. Nobody wants to talk about it but they have to for course correction. We need an intervention.

      • JozefAL

        With regard to the 2000 election, let’s not forget that the press/media was solidly behind Bush. Gore was constantly berated by the media for not being “fun” while Bush was praised as the guy you’d want to have a beer with (some very unintended irony at play there).
        Even in the aftermath of the election, when the challenges were being made, Bush was routinely treated with the title “President-elect” while Gore was listed as either “Vice-President” or, worse, “Mister”. Gore was subjected to some very mean-spirited press coverage which felt HE was the whole cause of the election’s not being an immediate done-deal. The press constantly harped that Gore should have just conceded the election, instead of fighting past Election Day.
        It was, in fact, the press/media’s bizarre switch from having been so long in the Bush camp, doing their best cheerleading routines on virtually every single Bush proposal to being so blindly adoring of Obama that had me begging many people to do a much closer look at Obama. I literally begged people to ask WHY would Obama be getting so much press love from the same people who had been so complicit with the Dubya administration. Bizarrely, of course, none could answer that, but they routinely slammed Hillary based almost entirely on the negative press image (some people even went so far to say that Hillary was too “divisive” and would cause GOPers to flock to the polls on Election Day–and Anne Coulter’s little publicity stunt where she said she’d vote for Democratic Presidential nominee Hillary before she’d vote for Republican Presidential nominee John McCain certainly didn’t help Hillary with Obama-supporting Democrats; of course, none of these people had any problem with Obama’s talk of “reaching out” to GOP voters).

        • Ferd Berfle

          I haven’t forgotten. The same empty-suit, empty-skull loudmouths who gave us Shrub also gave us That One. With a press like that, this country needs no other adversaries.

    • Andy

      I have posted this before elsewhere but since we are now discussing how hurtful and serious is the permanent “campaign mode” we live in I post this again.

      Obama hits swing states
      By CAROL E. LEE | 2/17/09
      http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18934.html

      It is a recent article from Politico which goes into some detail into Obama’s campaign mode from Day 1. The article is quite strong (for Politico and MSM standards) and show how cynical and manipulative BO’s recent tours through the US talking about the stimulus, etc (intead of working on it) have been.

      • Katmoon

        He is campaigning, as that is his only job experience; said it during the primaries and election, and look he is still doing it; utterly amazing.

    • http://ksclematis ksclematis

      Didn’t you hear?….Wes Clark is under O’s bus? He just might know something more than our “intelligent” POTUS…..

  • Larry Doyle

    These issues are highlighted in a Boston Globe review of the book, So Damn Much Money written by Robert G. Kaiser. The Globe offers:

    Today, members of the House and Senate routinely spend “a fourth or a third of their working hours soliciting those campaign contributions” that once would have “looked a great deal like bribes.”

    Kaiser corroborates his findings with the observations of a host of seasoned and savvy Washington insiders. A few will suffice to make the point:

    – Former Nebraska Republican senator Chuck Hagel told Kaiser, “There’s no shame anymore. . . . We’ve blown past the ethical standards; we now play on the edge of the legal standards.” Hagel comes to believe that “money and its pursuit [have] paralyzed Washington . . . Nothing truly important for the country [is] getting done.”

    – Leon Panetta, a former member of Congress, Chief of Staff in the Clinton White House, and Obama’s newly confirmed CIA director, says that “legalized bribery has become part of the culture.” Members of Congress “rarely legislate; they basically follow the money . . . They’re spending more and more time dialing for dollars.” Panetta laments the quality of people now running for Congress, echoing the conclusion reached by Hagel and other old hands: “It’s all about winning, it’s not about governing anymore.”

    • pm317

      Bill Clinton mentioned this constant campaign mode and the time spent for raising so much money in an interview last year when questioned about why Congress had become so useless.

      • FLDemFem

        When I lived in WV, the one thing that we could count on like the sun coming up was that Senator Byrd would be coming around during the recess and on long weekends to see how we were doing and to listen to problems and help out with them if he, or his office, could. He showed up in the county I lived in three or four times a year. That’s why WV sent him back every time he asked for their votes. He did his job and did it well. His example was also followed by the local Congressmen who learned from him that the way to get peoples’ votes is to talk to them and help if you can. That doesn’t cost much, most Congress members, Senate and House, maintain offices in various parts of their state/district anyway. All they have to do is visit regularly. That will get them more votes than all the fundraising in the world. But they seem to prefer going off on taxpayer funded junkets to foreign countries rather than doing the jobs they were elected to do. Perhaps if they were less concerned with the problems of European resorts and more with those of their constituents, they wouldn’t have to raise so many funds. They could get re-elected on their performance in Congress and at home. Like Senator Byrd has done for over 50 years.

        • JozefAL

          I wouldn’t mention Byrd or sing his praises since he was one of those “superdelegate traitors” to his state. He endorsed Obama before the WV primary but Hillary won the state by a wide margin and Byrd continued to endorse Obama.

          • FLDemFem

            Yes, I know, I was referring to his ability to get re-elected time after time without having to spend a third of his time fundraising. And he is a very good Senator. I think his recent actions were due to undue influence from the Kennedy camp. He is not well, and easily influenced as a result. He is still the longest serving Senator in the history of the country, and has done yeomman service for West Virginia. And for that, he is deserving of respect. I know him personally, have met him on numerous occasions, and he is a good man who knows many of his constituents by the generation, literally. When he came to visit our county, he remembered everyone’s name, asked after kin that he knew, and in general just let us know he was there for us, no matter what. Few Senators these days can do that. For what he has done during his long service to his country and his state, he should be forgiven what he did in the twilight of his life at a time when he is in bad health. I did. But then, I lived in his state, and I know what sort of person and Senator he is. He is a great one.

          • http://none Peg

            Rockefeller endorsed Obama before the WV primary. Byrd endorsed him after, although not immediately after. I had hoped that because he had mentored Hillary when she first came to the Senate that her huge primary win would give him the excuse to endorse her. I wonder if we’ll ever know what was going on.

  • donjo

    Yes, winning is what it’s all about. Then look at the pablum the people are slurping through their daily dose of sports on TV. And politicians will do or say anything to win – and that includes, lying, cheating, stealing, probably murder, and promoting racial conflicts.

    In reading about the history of the CIA, it seems that our politicians have adapted the very same tactics they use and have used in the past.

    As long as the populace sits on their hands, this will continue. Time to oil up the pitchforks.

  • Andy

    Good post Chris Martin; you pose troubling questions… This morning while listening to NPR they put a piece of BO’s saturday address in which he was talking about his order to start withholding less from workers pay checks immediately
    so that by April 1 people will see (on average $65 per family more per month).
    (this is by the way provided you are below certain income; which is quite lower than campaigned on. but never mind). What bothered me was his next sentence:
    “This is the first time in history this is being done so fast” (or sth. like it).
    I wondered: Who cares about this and why did he say it? It was the TYPICAL campaign slogan that was aimed at saying: I am better than everyone else stick with me.
    And it is like this every time pols open their mouth: nothing they say is a fact per se; but followed by a campaign slogan and a pat on their own backs…
    Everything they say is tinted by politics. Everything.
    And this is really maddening when the whole world is in so much trouble: they are still thinking about nothing but themselves. Not us.

    • Ferd Berfle

      “This is the first time in history this is being done so fast” (or sth. like it). I wondered: Who cares about this and why did he say it? It was the TYPICAL campaign slogan

      Hell, That One pats himself on the back when he makes a doodie. Good Barry.

      I am so sick of the self-indulgent high-fives and unwarranted atta-boys being spread around like cheap trinkets.

  • CMartin

    How do we get from the shallow, superficial permanent campaign to substantive campaigns?

    I was recently talking to some really old school hill staffers from the 1960s-1970s era and they commented that even floor debates are part of the campaign process. Rather than genuine debates in Congress, we get a lot of showmanship and attempt after attempt of “gotcha” moments.

    • TeakwoodKite

      Durban looking directly into the Cspan camera while on the floor comes to mind.

    • Linda Anselmi

      Excellent question CM.

      It maybe the question we need to answer for our democracy to work.

      And it will probably take one of those three-legged stools I so dearly love. (Didn’t they used to milk cows with a three legged stool?)

      • http://ksclematis ksclematis

        Yup!!!

  • Sassy

    Very good work Chris!
    My new Representative is a former doctor and mayor of a neighboring city, which has a veterans’ hospital.
    He wanted to serve on the veterans’ committee, but was assigned to agriculture. My point is that he passed the first test, in my opinion.
    I have often seen references to the lack of real skills from continuous office-holders. If they had law degrees, for instance, that were never used, they are hopelessly out of touch.
    It is becoming more and more obvious that we are not getting public servants that we need so badly!

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    It is really, really frustrating. But, I also think *we* have to take some responsibility. We *hire* these people. And unfortuantly, it seems, too many people don’t care, and pay attention. Even though we kept hearing how many new voters there were this year, and how much more involved peple were, the numbers really weren’t that different. Many, many people still didn’t vote, or are not involved, and if they do vote, they don’t know the issues.

    All these scandals that are coming out of the Dems party are really upsetting. They seem like a bunch of crooks who took advantage, because we let them.

    Great post!

    • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

      I hate to play the blame game, but the MSM needs to be brought in here, too. Many people are very busy with jobs/families, etc, and cannot spend enormous amounts of time searching for answers–they depend on the MSM. They have failed us and there is absolutely no accountability there. Until we see some radical change there, we will end up with the same story over and over.

  • pm317

    It just occurred to me that we should send these blogs and comments to our reps and give them an earful. May be go to county gatherings and start talking about this. If 0bots can have house parties, we can have our own movement. We can take these discussions straight to them and other politicians in our respective counties/states.

    • Ignignokt

      Just run ‘em through Word Spell and Grammar Checker first. The title made me cringe.

      Is that you, George W?

      • pm317

        No, it is a reminder that 0bama is Bush redux.

      • Chris Martin

        The title was definitely deliberate.

        • Ignignokt

          *G* Yeah, I got that it was deliberate irony after I’d already mouthed off. My apologies, Sir. I is a little slow on the uptake this afternoon.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Yes. Excellent post.

    mmm kinda’ like politicizing the Census and moving it in to the White House, instead of the Dept it belongs. Or that our Energy Secretary doesn’t even know his job and what he’s responsible for, our most prodominant energy resource; oil. And he probably thought he was being cute with his response to say ‘yo idiot, not my job’ like BOberry’s inccorrect view that an opinion and policy he would be advocating was “above my (his) pay grade”, when he said “not in my domain”.

    Yep, you are so right.

    • Ferd Berfle

      Or that our Energy Secretary doesn’t even know his job and what he’s responsible for, our most prodominant energy resource; oil.

      Actually, his primary responsibility is ensuring the safety of our nuclear material via the NNSA. Chu, along with HRC, is one of the sound appointments made by our unqualified POTUS.

  • Linda C.

    Unfortunately thinking isn’t in the mix for recruiting candidates. It is promoting ideology. It was just not too long ago that the conservative republicans were challenging Arlen Spector because he wasn’t “Republican enough”. Same holds true with John McCain. Actually still holds true with Arlen Spector today, although he has been a republican since before Abe Lincoln.
    Everyone wants a neat sound bite that can be parroted and shouted into meaningless nothing. First by politicians, then by talking heads on the MSM. Nothing investigative, original or solutions oriented.