Obama & Kenya / Charges Against Larry

Does anybody remember George McGovern?

We had this little war, called Vietnam. My government was drafting and killing my friends at an astonishing rate. George McGovern was the “peace” candidate. Edmund Muskie cried (sound familiar?) so he was denied the Demorcratic nomination. Everyone who sang ?Kumbaya” held peace rallies and predicted change – glorious change- in the White House and Washington. All the young people and the liberal intelligensia were going to vote for him — that’s how he was going to win!

In the end, Richard Nixon won in a landslide.

John McCain, I fear, will do the same.

@ Susan
Susan I think you are going to have to ask your tech guy to extend the recent comments list from its current 15. The last few days have seen a nice upswing in activity and the scroll is way faster.

Mr. Jones’ articles are less than substantive. He does acknowledge that Obama’s relative won the election and lost the vote count. While the vote announcement was entirely inline with the Stalin method of democracy, the bloodletting since is more in line with the Trotskyite/neocon model of democracy.

Senator Obama really should edit each of his supporters words before they are posted.

Now I have a set of thoughts that have been bothering me. Boiling these thoughts down:
Is Bill either intentionally or unintentionally torpedoing Hillary’s campaign. For someone supposedly as nuanced and politically skillful as Bill is supposed to be, he has been less than superb this time out. As one example, I am thinking of his promise that if elected Hillary would use he and GHWB as international ambassadors without portfolios to help make the world a better place. GHWB stomped that promise the day after it was made.
There are a multitude of other examples of Bill saying things in ways that were inept, inane, harmful and some where his comments were ambiguous enough to get played as “racism.” Even granting that the Obama supporters will be “looking to take offense”, some of the things Bill has said and done in this primary season do not require one to look to far or twist meaning to violently to find the offense.
Obama’s father was a muslim cocksman, Obama has no choice in having muslim relatives, they come with his paternity. Until I develop my time machine, none of us have any choice in are relatives. Hillary has a brother-in-law who is less than stellar, Jimmy Carter had a brother William ( I have a BillyBeer can amongst my collectibles ).
But as Joe Biden said, Senator Obama is very well spoken. A better speechifier and bloviator than Hillary or Joe or Richardson. Warren G. Harding was a pretty good bloviator; so was JFK. In office, Harding was a success until he died and Kennedy’s promise was fulfilled by an ugly old coot from Texas.

People are starting to notice this disturbing little pattern among Obama supporters. Google “obama cult” and today you’ll find 388,000 entries. That figure is growing by the day.

I saw McGovern speak in Seattle. He kept talking to us about something about Watergate and a burglary, and more.

Of course, the MSM ignored McGovern’s pleas that this be investigated more thoroughly. Until Nixon had been safely reelected.

But, yeah, McGovern’s campaign didn’t rely on the right demographic — of course, back then, people couldn’t vote until they were 21, so that left a lot of us out. Still, the young — once their “fever” wears off — tend to be less reliable.

I think John McCain has a GREAT shot to win the presidency, especially if he has Obama to bring down.

Can you begin to imagine what McCain and the GOP will do to Obama on national security, the military, the “war on terror” and the rest? They’ll have people absolutely terrified to vote for Obama.

Hillary, on those scores, I have no worries about. As Larry made so very clear in his post about meeting her at her Senate office and talking with her about intelligence and military matters — she blew him away with her knowledge.

Just discovered this blog, searching around for things that are ummm how shall I put this, ..oh never mind, things that are not dailykos.
I am truly sorry that i spent so much time lurking there and not looking for better blogs to particiapte in.

Hi. 15 comments is as long as we can go, I’m pretty sure. I’ll ask him again. He also warned me the last time we lengthened the comment list that it requires a lot of response from the server, and can really slow things down.

What I do in long threads is search for the latest posts by date and by hour, if need be. It’s a really fast way to find the newest comments.

Do a Control/F. Type in the date or time you’re searching for. Then type Control/G to find each search result — and keep typing Control/G to get to them all.

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ALSO: Obama is only a good orator when he has a teleprompter. There’s a funny story about his teleprompter failing the other day, and how he had to scramble with 3×5 cards and stumble through. (I need to find that and post it — hilarious.)

He was especially bad in the first five debates or so — he is NOT a good extemporaneous speaker. Hillary, in contrast, is a great extemporaneous speaker with marvelous recall of arguments and facts that she can instantly bring to the fore. That’s a real gift. She must have some superb synapses in that brain of hers.

McGovern was a decorated WWII combat pilot. He rarely brought that up.

Hey Susan. John here. I sent you the video on the youngster who made a passionate spoken word presentation titled What’s in a Soldier. That before you had to go under the knife. Glad you are well of course, but is that clip worthy. If you watched it, ya gotta admit it’s moving.

Obama should be ashamed of the kind of followers he’s mesmerizing and permitting to be so irrationally vicious.

Didn’t the Koskrew supporter, this morning, label Larry as anti Muslim, racist, homophobic and purple, or something equally as silly, pretty much revealing the Obama rapid response game plan?

I look at this, and I think, oh, this guy, CarolinaNumber 23, or Koskrew “community” member, is projecting. Not every person who mentions racism in this manner is projecting, but when accusations of racism, and homophobia fly, esp. as they are not grounded in any esoteric knowledge of Larry, they’re more than likely a reflection of the speakers own fears, or bias.

And Larry may well be all those things, who knows, but, while reading his Obama essays, I did not feel this was the motivation for his criticism; given what he had wrote, his concerns about Obama are very real, motivated by Obama’s questionable actions.

So the koskrew looks a little bit more off, rapid response should understand what it is responding to, rather than inadvertently broadcasting their weaknesses. The only reason the Rovian tactics did as well as they did, slandering, some surmise, was a cooperative press, not shrewd technique. Otherwise, the swift boating would have been trashed as the fantasy gruel it is. Thank goodness we have networks like MSNBC, shining a light on the Rovian PR, protecting America with their courageous, brilliant journalism. I mean, who else would take on Chelsea Clinton?

Anyway, if you were to find CarolinaNumber23, you would immediately gage for racism, or homophobia, most likely find it, and then, if you were so inclined, you could use it against him, strategically, surreptitiously, against him, or the Obama group.

And it isn’t a made up accusation of racism, it’s real racism in the koskrew member, for example, and truth is always the anchor of success, in these matters.

Again, the issues surrounding Obama are very very serious,but his people are the usual thing, just don’t bother with them, don’t even engage, they’re being trolled, and gamed, and they can’t even figure it out.

Obama’s father was a muslim cocksman, Obama has no choice in having muslim relatives, they come with his paternity

He does, though, have a choice in his friends.

Interesting choices in friends.

Just ignore me, CK.

Larry, you talk/write like a crazed lunatic. Someone that should be wearing a tinfoil hat upon that Moe Howard-like head of yours.

You and Susan are like the Nazi version of the Three Stooges, only needing one more looney tinfoil-hatter to complete the trio.

Remember your prediction that you don’t have to worry about who you vote for because the whole thing would be decided before Maryland votes?

Well, that same day sunk your candidate.

I’m very happy that we won’t be seeing you lunatics anymore over at DK.

Well, we will see you, just in sock-puppet form.

Pathetic

I had these questions concerning Larry’s original post, but it came too late for anyone to really see them. So, I will re-post.
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So, here are my problems with this posting. Please address one or all, as you wish.

1. None of the links to the Allafrica website seem to work. I have tried to search for those articles through alternative means..no luck. Please cut and paste.

2. Who is Robert Ethan? When I google him, I come up with some guy who started a MyDD user page. Is the same guy who seems to hate Obama on myDD? I can find no confirmation that Ethan is a journalist or even an African. Who is he?

3. Odinga claims to be Obama’s cousin. Obama has disputed that claim. The story cited above that he “did not deny” that claim is just false. I guess they are of the same “tribe.” See the Washington Post story. (Ed Note…it seems that Larry has dropped the assertion himself in his most recent posting.)

4. Let me get this straight – you guys think that Obama’s people sent Dick Morris to Kenya. Are you kidding me? Try googling that story. I have not seen one…ONE confirmation of that claim. There is no other confirmation than a cut and paste from a link that doesn’t work anymore above. Is there any other confirmation? Dick Morris is working with Obama? Or is this a “Six Degrees of Separation” type of argument?

5. “Supporting his cousin” seems to be misleading conclusion (at least based upon the facts so far in evidence). What did Obama do or not do? From the stories that I have read, Obama visited Kenya, met with a fellow Luo tribesman who is running for that country’s election, and otherwise has worked at Condi Rice’s behest to calm the situation. I have not seen any stories that he has made it worse.

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I am interested in knowing MORE about this story, but the sources of the above posts are really not good ones.

I have said it on other blogs and I will say it here.

I used to like Obama until I learned what kind of supporters he had.

I try not to let the disgusting behavior of the Obama supporters and the fawning media influence my feelings for him (still mildly positive) but it gets harder and harder.

Everyone who sang ?Kumbaya” held peace rallies and predicted change – glorious change- in the White House and Washington

Obama may be the candidate of Kumbaya, or perhaps his supporters just buy into the fantasy, anyone with half a brain though, knows Iraq MUST be evaluated properly, before any decision can be made in regard to resolution. I would depend on a Joe Wilson or a Wes Clark before a John Bolton or a Jack Keane, and we really haven’t heard from the Joe Wilsons, yet.

And haven’t we learned since Vietnam?

What about new technique, can’t this be applied to Iraq, by Clinton, say, in an effort to stabilize the country, while maintaining US position against Russia, or China? And can’t we do this utilizing military, economic, and political strategy?

If Obama is tied to a man like Auchi, would this affect his ability to make an independent decision in regard to Iraq? How can he exercise independent leadership, especially if there are questions in regard to his criminality, his real agenda?

I really wish the powers that be would look more closely at Obama, see him as he is, rather than as they wish he would be.

A democrat will NOT win the white house if so many questions of patronage are prancing about Obama. The Middle Eastern team of Auchi and Rezko, and their relationship to Obama, is enough to create doubt, fear and uncertainty in the minds of the voters,(with the truth, this time, no need to swift boat, the truth is enough to make voters support McCain, versus Obama).

Nice choice of friends there, guy.

Simon, why do insist on relying on Americans to evaluate Iraq for you? What is it? Iraqi people who have lived their all their lives don’t know enough about Iraq to evaluate it? The Iraqi people are not sufficiently sophisticated in Iraqi matters to understand what needs to happen and what needs not to happen?

I had an opportunity to get a ride in a restored B29 and gained a real appreciation into how much “nuts n’ guts” it took to fly in one.

McGovern is one brave WWII combat pilot.

I’m sorry, John. I’m afraid I missed that … I’ll have to search my Inbox, which I’m proud to state is down to 540 new comments now. Sigh.

am truly sorry that i spent so much time lurking there and not looking for better blogs to particiapte in.

Lurking and observing group dynamics is always helpful in evaluation, you learn to smell the people who stink, the people who can’t write, the trolls.

Outside looking in, and all that, and sometimes, there’s just nothing to say.

And prior to Obamabot, Susan and Larry posted on Kos, a lot of very well informed, intelligent people did, as part of the progressive movement.

The specious writing and Obama cult mentality have driven off everyone, though, Kos is a hypocrite, no progressive, especially evidenced by the use of the Rovian tactics he decried, and the refusal to investigate the corrupt Obama. If he were a bigger player and a bit smarter, Kos could be a Rovian acolyte. Obama is Bush, and Kos can’t even see it, he simply has no credibility, at all. Or again, he’s deliberately disingenuous, a flaming hypocrite, anyway you look at it, he loses.

You know, trolls are so obvious to spot, but unfortunately, the people at kos kan’t, they ended up squashing dissent, now left with a broken, ineffective, impotent community.

Maybe that was the intent, FOX did threaten to take them on, though I’m no fan of Fox.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23153090/

The gangs are really doing some horrible things…another aspect of this Kenya situation that will be fully exploited in November….(specifics toward the end of page 1 of article)

I haven’t supported Obama since he got into the Senate (full confession: I voted for him in 2004). The comments I read from his supporters have done more to tarnish my opinion of him than almost anything else. I feel like printing a bunch of them and passing them to my friends who support him. They act like dittoheads and it’s not only offensive, it’s dangerous to our democracy.

During the Watergate investigations, it was disclosed that there was a group of people working for Nixon whose job it was to sabotage the campaigns of certain Democratic candidates.

Nixon wanted to ensure that he would face McGovern, whom he perceived to be the weakest of the Democratic field. (I mean no offense to Senator McGovern, who is a decent and honorable man. This was Nixon’s opinion.)

These operatives held no official positions and they were paid under-the-table so that there was nothing to link them to Nixon. They were referred to as the “ratfuckers.” Donald Segretti was one of them. Karl Rove was another.

And know we see Turdblossom sitting a FOX News talking about how wonderful Obama is and how he will be difficult to attack effectively. Obama cruises along with nary a peep from the GOP or their Lap Dogs in the Media. Meanwhile, Hillary has been under constant attack for months and John Edwards had to drop out of the race to get the media to notice him.

What’s wrong with this picture?

Susan, in all fairness, you can’t really blame people for taking umbrage at some of Larry’s comments, as I did. Since I have not been sufficiently interested to follow the endless “discussions” here of Every Negative or Potentially Negative Thing We Can Bring Up or Imagine or Make Up About Obama, I did not have the context of those discussions with which to frame the two items I took exception to, and after re-reading a couple of times, it is clear to me that for even non-dumb, reasonably aware, non-Obama supporting people to read it very much as I did.

I guess that would mean it’s ok for Obama supporters who have seen comments like Larry’s and SusanHu’s to vote for McCain in the general should she get the nomination.

Calling out people for blatent lies, slimy innuendos and just pure trash might be ‘disgusting behavior’ to Clinton supporters, but to rational people it’s fighting for the TRUTH.

Simon, why do insist on relying on Americans to evaluate Iraq for you

Your assumption, not mine.

Interesting.

The Iraqi people are not sufficiently sophisticated in Iraqi matters to understand what needs to happen and what needs not to happen?

Do you think that, Shirin?

What would make you think that?

“Obama’s father was a muslim cocksman, Obama has no choice in having muslim relatives, they come with his paternity.”

Is everyone but me missing what is truly offensive about this “Obama has Muslim relatives”, “Oh, but he can’t help THAT”, bit? Hint: It’s not in the top layer of the discussion, it’s in the layers below, and what is truly offensive about it is the assumption apparently being made even by the nice “progressives” here.

(Looks concerned) “He’s Black, you know.”

(Nodding tolerantly) “I know, but you can’t blame HIM for that. It’s not his fault, after all.”

PS For what it’s worth, which is not much, by the time Obama’s father met his mother he was not a Muslim, he was an avowed atheist.

You and Susan are like the Nazi version of the Three Stooges

Well, yes, yes, Nazi and three stooges.

Hmm, what else comes in three, besides stooges, and deaths, and connects to Obama?

Oh, the trinity, perhaps YOU could say, with your cult mentality, and all, as a contrast, truth is now nazi, witness noquarterusa.net, but Obama has god on his side, so Obama is truth, now, even a new slogan, here: “If jesus could vote, he would vote Obama ’08,” oh, wait, you already did that by coopting MLK, ok, let’s see, how about “if Jesus could money launder, he’d use Rezko,” there, you can undo the Rezko damage, while at the same time winning the CC vote, giving Obama his rightful place, the side of God, and enticing the public to believe crime is a GOOD thing, a cool thing…

Obama: the jesus of cool, right?

Really weird, man, ion like.

Nothing in what I said should be construed as tolerance. Genetically he has a Luo tribe father and a white mother. I did not know his father had conerted to atheism, did his uncles and cousins covert to atheism or are they still muslims? If they are still muslim’s, the he has muslim relatives. That his father became atheist was his father’s choice, Obama choose a different religion from either his father’s or his other patrelineal relative’s. Facts are intolerant things.
Larry’s attempt to backwards extrapolate from Obama’s relive’s religion to Obama is what is tawdry and worthy of excoriation. If a few genes had changed places in the zygote, Obama would have been pale skinned and had less obtrusive ears, and he still would have had muslim relatives. But his autobiography would have been different.
Don’t look to take offense where there is none, not on the surface and not at any deeper level.
No one here is looking concerned and saying He’s Muslim you know. As your point out in re his father, religion is a personal choice. Who your parents are and who your relatives are is not a personal choice.

guess that would mean it’s ok for Obama supporters who have seen comments like Larry’s and SusanHu’s to vote for McCain in the general

People are smart enough to vote for whom they want, they should know the facts, though, about any given candidate. Voting out of spite is kinda creepy.

Realy strange comment, is this how you regard elections?

He and Bush’d daddy were the only ones to fly combat (Goldwater ferried planes over the hump).

Of the two, McGovern was the only one that brought the airplane back.

Rove and Segretti participated in making McGovern look weak on national defense. Although McGovern was a decorated bomber pilot, Nixon knew that McGovern would be easier to portray as a weakling because he doesn’t come across as “macho.” Ed Muskie and Henry “Scoop” Jackson came across as more masculine than Nixon, and Nixon understood the difference between perception and reality.

I just went to Wiki to refresh my memory about the ratfuckers. It’s a must read.

From Wiki:

Segretti told Woodward and Bernstein of a program of orchestrated political sabotage by supporters of Richard Nixon against Nixon’s political opponents. These included, but were not limited to, canceling meeting-hall reservations just prior to rallies, putting out false press releases or “leaked documents” in the name of political opponents, spying on rival campaigns, stuffing ballot boxes, ordering vast quantities of food for delivery in the name of rival campaigns, conducting deceptive or offensive get out the vote phone canvasses, push polls, and similar activities. One of Segretti’s worst dirty tricks was sending a faked letter on Democratic presidential candidate Edmund Muskie’s letterhead falsely alleging that Scoop Jackson, a fellow Democrat who was also a candidate, had had an illegitimate child with a 17-year-old.

Rove worked for Segretti. In the fall of 1970, Rove used a false identity to enter the campaign office of Democrat Alan J. Dixon, who was running for Treasurer of Illinois. He stole 1000 sheets of paper with campaign letterhead, printed fake campaign rally fliers promising “free beer, free food, girls and a good time for nothing”, and distributed them at rock concerts and homeless shelters, with the effect of disrupting Dixon’s rally.

While in college Rove met Lee Atwater, and the two of them rigged the election for the National Chairman of the College Republicans so that Rove would win. Both Rove and his opponent (the real winner) appealed to the RNC Chairman, who at that time was George H. W. Bush.

Bush declared Rove the winner.

BTW – Segretti was the Orange County co-Chairman of John McCain’s Presidential campaign in 2000.

Shirin said:

I did not have the context of those discussions with which to frame the two items I took exception to

Uhhh..I was responding to this:

Comment by Alvord | 2008-02-14 17:59:14

I have said it on other blogs and I will say it here.

I used to like Obama until I learned what kind of supporters he had.

I try not to let the disgusting behavior of the Obama supporters and the fawning media influence my feelings for him (still mildly positive) but it gets harder and harder.

And this:

Comment by mlr701 | 2008-02-14 18:36:59

I haven’t supported Obama since he got into the Senate (full confession: I voted for him in 2004). The comments I read from his supporters have done more to tarnish my opinion of him than almost anything else. I feel like printing a bunch of them and passing them to my friends who support him. They act like dittoheads and it’s not only offensive, it’s dangerous to our democracy.

I wasn’t advocating the silliness, I was mocking it.

“Obama should be ashamed of the kind of followers he’s mesmerizing and permitting to be so irrationally vicious.”

Easy does it folks.

Obama did not create this hysteria. This appears to be a pre-existing condition and has occurred, in various forms, in the past.

McGovern, Gene McCarthy and Bobby Kennedy tapped the anti-war movement; and Goldwater tapped the conservative surge amongst students in the late 50′s. Joe McCarthy tapped the atom bomb and commie spy scare during the 50′s.

In none of these cases did they mesmerize or instigate the hysteria. They merely took advantage of it.

It may not fit your moral template but that’s how power works.

Stop the madness! It won’t be the end of the world if Obama get’s the nod, and I support Hillary Clinton.

What was the worst thing Bill Clinton said or done in this election?

It obviously is when prompted by a member of the media he stated that Jesse Jackson also won South Carolina. Who also won 11 other primaries as well. And lets be frank about it. I am a 39 year old white southern male who was a big, big supporter of Jacksons. If I would have had the opportunity I would have voted for the man and I don’t even believe in God. Who ever took offense at Obama being likened to Jackson should really be ashamed. Jackson may have the foot in the mouth disease but he is a highly principled, accomplished fighter for civil rights. A man who will unwaveringly go into hostile situations and negotiate with very bad people for the release of hostages. A man who won’t backtrack or compromise his ideas and beliefs just to appease others or to pander to those who don’t share his beliefs. It may be my opinion but I don’t think Obama or his followers should have been offended by the comparison. I think the aggrieved party is none other than Jesse Jackson who is in my opinion one of the finest americans whose ever lived. Just my 2 cents.

Apologize about the grammer. Apparently working all day and then posting comments without properly proofreading them isn’t the way to go.

THIS is what you sound like:

“Don’t vote for Obama – his father comes from a Muslim background and he has family ties to that Islamic/failed/African [delete as appropriate] state”

It’s very hard not to take this as a bigoted character assassination.

Well of course she blew him away with her knowledge of intelligence and military matters. She’s got Wes Clark in her corner.

Shirin writes: Is everyone but me missing what is truly offensive about this “Obama has Muslim relatives”, “Oh, but he can’t help THAT”, bit?

An emphatic no.

You know, when Larry and Susan started up with the Obamathumpin’ here, I actually believed with all my heart that it was a gag– an attempt to demonstrate what politicial discourse would look like if the “Clinton Rules” were applied to any other candidate but Hillary.

We’re all so used to reading specious claims about Hillary, from the Socks fan club expenses and Vince Foster murder, on through to the “New York Yankee fan or not” debacle, and crashing and burning to the present on whether she’s congratulating Obama gracefully enough or not for his primary wins, that it just becomes a part of the background noise after a while, and to suddenly see another candidate subjected to the same bizarre scrutiny was, I thought, a brilliant bit of parody.

So, I was waiting for the moment when they holler surprise and cop to the hoax, but I guess that ain’t gonna happen. Silly me.

I think the arguments against Obama mounted here are more innuendo than anything else, and I’m especially disheartened by the “muslim relatives” comment, which seems to imply that evil equals muslim, and smacks of McCarthyism to boot.

So, I agree, more or less, with the DailyKos admonition concerning Larry’s entry there. Regardless of what sort of zealots have overrun the joint there, it’s no good to simply outdo the zealotry.

Whatever else they may be, Obama supporters aren’t “too fucking dumb to realize that he is blowing smoke up their ass,” or “bend[ing] over and stick[ing] their head in their neighbor’s ass and proclaim[ing] the putrid aroma [of Obama's political contribution policies] as the heaven-sent breath of God.”

Lastly, Larry, I think a response is due Jacek’s questions above; they’re all valid, and follow that with a response to Shirin’s.

Then you can tell me to fuck off. I won’t mind.

McGovern said Gen.Wes Clark was the best man to run for the Presidency in ’04.

I agreed then, and do also in retrospect, as well.

Simon, I was trying to give Larry (and Susan) the benefit of the doubt. The fact is that even if I HAD been willing to spend my time wading trough the ever depending anti-Obama sea here, the multi-layered implications in both the “Muslim relatives”, and the “Kenya connections” remarks are extremely offensive when uttered with no explanation, and even WITH the apparent explanation for those remarks, they are troubling on several levels. In my case, one of them is personally VERY offensive (I’ll let you figure out which one). Without context the remarks are very offensive and very troubling on every possible level.

Barack Obama has some REAL ‘SPLAININ’ to do, doesn’t he? My god, his middle name is Hussein, for heaven’t sake – he had better explain that and make it OK. He’s got Muslim relatives – he had better ‘splain that and make it OK. He has connections in Kenya how’s he gonna make THAT OK?

Worked with Condi Rice, disqualifier right there.

Doesn’t character assasination require that the charge be untrue? What’s untrue about the sentence you quoted?

I read the Wilson Op-Ed heres the E-mail I sent to him in response:

Dear Mr Wilson,

I used to have a profound respect for you. I thought of you as a sort of hero when you bravely stood up to the bush administration. You had the courage and conviction to continue to stand up to them after they had outed your wife. In one of the worst cases of dirty political underhandedness you had the fortitude to stand up and say, “no.”
Thus, it gives me great sadness to find you now committing the same political crimes to a fellow democrat that were once done to you: repeating base republican smears against Obama (that Kenya nonsense is literally on Atlas Shrugs first in a google search); wildly speculating about his future campaign; and generally trashing his character are all hallmarks of the Republican smear machine and shouldn’t come from the mouth of one of its most famous victims.

I believe, however, that your Op-ed refutes itself. Obama has now faced the republican smear machine, coming from the Clinton campaign, in a desperate attempt to save a sinking ship.

They say one should never meet one’s heroes. Well, I feel I have met you through this op-ed and, as the saying goes, I’m thoroughly disappointed.

(PS I’m only a very reluctant Obama supporter)

More on this:
“This appears to be a pre-existing condition and has occurred, in various forms, in the past. “

There is a book review in the NYT which dovetails with my frequent observations that the American electorate was dumb enough to elect Bush twice.

Susan Jacoby wrote The Age of American Unreason to highlight that we have become dumb and dumber. She is quoted in the review about stopping in a bar on her way home on September 11, 2001:

Walking home to her Upper East Side apartment, she said, overwhelmed and confused, she stopped at a bar. As she sipped her bloody mary, she quietly listened to two men, neatly dressed in suits. For a second she thought they were going to compare that day’s horrifying attack to the Japanese bombing in 1941 that blew America into World War II:

“This is just like Pearl Harbor,” one of the men said.

The other asked, “What is Pearl Harbor?”

“That was when the Vietnamese dropped bombs in a harbor, and it started the Vietnam War,” the first man replied.

At that moment, Ms. Jacoby said, “I decided to write this book.”

“Larry’s attempt to backwards extrapolate from Obama’s relive’s religion to Obama is what is tawdry and worthy of excoriation.”

Yes, CK, that is tawdry and worthy of excoriation, but you need to look at other layers to see what the real problem is. And alas, it seems epidemic around here as indicated by the fact that almost no one seems to be seeing it – or if they are seeing it they don’t see it as worth mentioning.

Layer #1: “Don’t vote for Obama – his father comes from a Muslim background and he has family ties to that Islamic/failed/African [delete as appropriate] state” is considered character assassination.

Not the real problem – character assassination is an integral part of electoral politics, at least in the Unite States. The real problem with this thinking is what lies in the layers underneath layer #1.

It’s not her knowledge that concerns me, it’s what she does with it.

The majority of people will believe anything is correct as long as it plays into their personal world view.

Also its not a muslim country. Its only 10% muslim. Odinga, who obama is accused of campaigning for, is an anglican. All of this Kenya bullshit is just that: bullshit. Obama also called for calm at his own request. He asked condi to approve him making the radio address on VOA, the former CIA propaganda machine.

You are getting closer to what I find troubling, not to mention personally offensive about the discussion that is taking place on this subject.

It’s fact that Barack Obama has Muslim relatives. It is also a fact that both his given names are Arabic, and one of them has religious implications. And the attitude even around here seems to be that he has some real ‘splainin’ to do in order to make that OK. There are lots of layers here, and at each one something is wrong, but almost no one seems to be looking beyond the first layer or two to the real rotten core of this thing.

Have you, or have you ever had, a Muslim relative?

Pardon this intrusion into your study of Rocket Science.

I believe you refer to Mr. Wilson’s statement:

How will Mr. Obama respond to charges made by the Kenyan government that his campaigning activities in Kenya in support of his distant cousin running for president there made him “a stooge” and constituted interference in the politics of an important and besieged ally in the war on terror?

Using what I recall of the scientific method I attempted to duplicate your experiment “that Kenya nonsense is literally on Atlas Shrugs first in a google search”. My results are shown below for Obama > Kenya

1. CNN
2. MSNBC
3. Atlas Shrugs
4. Chicago Sun-Times
5. Reuters
6. YouTube
7. YouiTube
8. Wikipedia
9. The Huffington Post
10. Chicago Tribune

The nutter at Atlas Shrugs was not first, regrettably. Science marches on and one more hypothesis is discarded on that vast boneyard of wayward supposition. Just the same, I will allow you a teensy bit of partisan hyperbole, it’s the silly season, after all.

There does indeed appear to be a vast Republican smear campaign out to vilify your reluctantly adopted champion. Those Obama-bashers on his home town papers, Reuters, YouTube and the Huffington Post, indeed!!! Is Google in on the smear as well?

BTW boyo, you posted to the wrong thread.

Unfortunately, there’s as much likelihood he would be deemed a pariah for viewing the world through an atheist’s perspective.

That’s a political reality, based on the certainty of uncertainties, human nature. I say to look beyond it anyways.

IMO Obama should not have to state a position on such items, but once he’s embraced religious initiatives, to perhaps counter such a perceived connection, it opens a whole new door or possible criticism to other sectors of the electorate.

That’s why the establishment clause, the First Amendment as a cornerstone, and the Fourteenth Amendment that bears the fruit in the harvest for the Bill of Rights’ maturity, are things that should secure each person the respect of private belief.

It becomes a whole new story under evangelical aspects of faith.

Obama has Christian relatives as well, in many places that is deemed foreboding. Just to place this more from his perspective, he catches it from all sides.

Just say he’s learned to draw on the experiences and values of each, tempered it with the kind of balance and skepticism that such tensions could face in reflection, and can be judged aside from that on the merit of policy.

He didn’t want to run on policy though, which IMO is a mistake. He wants to be critical of other’s policy, not run on that from his own position, and try to claim the upper hand or high road.

He shouldn’t have to claim that he’d be good in spite of different backgrounds. In that sense he is a lot like JFK, who had to basically distance himself from being Catholic to a good(bad for having to do so) extent. Had the man greater record to run on, that would be a moot point in Obama’s instance. Since the record lacks, he’s added other vague or personalized items. He’s trying to play the item both ways, so there is room for political burn back, invited by his own campaign.

Either you’re apolitical in terms of your religion, hold to private beliefs, public beliefs that can stand the scrutiny, or you are in religious initiatives as an activist.

He can’t find middle ground for having played to one pole of the belief set energy, witness also his own gay baiting minister friend as a campaign lever.

If you think Larry’s a race baiter, but Obama can promote a gay baiter, well then you can have a seat at the table of hypocrisy and drink a full cup of invective on the realization of where those positions meet.

Personally, it is other items that give question to Obama’s preparedness for leadership at the highest office at this time. Character judgments about the people he’s chosen to align self with and policies he’s taken part in. His determination to run with a hint at religious intentions, coupled with those concerns, brings even greater criticism.

Had he not run on religious items it would be concern enough some of the people decisions he’s taken part in. To campaign from the perspective of higher ground and have those hypocritical conflicts in place is the issue. It emphasizes those shortcomings to greater measure.

Either he’s motivated by his effort in religious initiatives and tried to make things better while changing his stance for nuclear polluters on his campaign staff; or he’s an opportunist who had a slum lord bilk public housing under his watch and continued taking campaign contributions and questionable land and money swaps bordering on bribery and extortion; or he’s too incompetent to have seen the Rezko graft and it is one of those overlooked items along the lines of his own failure to take notes as a best case scenario. Talk about the lowering the bar….

Major policy flaws, major people flaws, failures to satisfy a competency threshold for the positions he’s held. Or the worst case scenario, a case of all three with the continued claim to be the mensch.

That’s strolling a few revivals too many into the Huckabee tent for a refill of kool aid, if he maintains the claims of intent and motivation alongside the track record of policy.

You know the saying:

Jump the Shark, you get burned.

Ok, now……at last, I see where you are coming from Susan.

But hear me. I think Obama is somewhat greener than Mrs Clinton and given the choice of Muslim fundamentalism creeping to the edge of US politics and Puritan fundamentalism launching a bitter and vionlent campaign to cleanse the World, black’s alright, white’s get back, get back.

I think neither Obama or Clinton are actual fundamentalists, but both draw from resourses of the more sinister elements of society. Clinton will get somewhere in the instrumentation of her plans, which will fail [dismally]. Obama, on the other hand, will get nowhere with anything even remotely anti American. This suggests that Obama will be stymied when he reaches power, other than pumping funds into Muslim conflicts which will be dressed as saving the world. He won’t touch the middle east with a barge pole [in my opinion], but will concentrate on African nations such as Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria.

Obama will give the progression begun by the Chinton/Bush’s union a break. The plundering of natural resources can move to Africa, who are already in a perpetual state of chaos. Israel certainly wouldn’t negotiate with a muslim US President, but Israel won’t negotiate and that is why we have so many problems. Russia and China may come a lttle closer to the US, certainly under the auspices of the green Earth.

But, of course, I could be completely wrong;)

shirin, I don’t think anyone here can see past their Obama-hatred to understand what you are getting at. Hmmm… let’s substitute the word another word here for “muslim” and see how it sounds.

“Obama’s father comes from a jewish background. Obama’s got jewish relatives. Obama attended a jewish school in his childhood. Obama was raised by his white relatives, but still has ties to his jewish past. Obama’s father was a jewish cocksman, Obama has no choice in having jewish relatives, they come with his paternity. Until I develop my time machine, none of us have any choice in are relatives. Hillary has a brother-in-law who is less than stellar…”

Starting to sound a little ugly, isn’t it?

While some of you Spinning Wheels are Spinning your Wheels..What go’s UP..must run out of Hot Air..and in the real World..What comes down..Comes down HARD..like the Twin Towers..

You can HOPE for CHANGE..You can HOPE Things were Different..You can Hope..for Peace..You can Hope to Win the Lottery..and share the Wealth with everyone..

You can sing old Beatle songs..

The Really Smart People like Joe wilson and Larry Johnson ..with thier Backgrounds and Experiences…can go the Garden Partys..and see who is Wearing thier Disguises..

and what it really takes to run our government Properly in Todays world.. especially after the Lessons learned from “Fool Me Once..Shame on You..Fool Me twice…Shame on Me..” or once again
going to the Circus..for more Con Men and Side shows..

Its time for Americans to BEWARE of Goods Manufactured overseas..or in Amrica..and sold to us as SAFE..without proper Inspection..by EXPERTS..

Don’t Swallow every pill you find..without reading the Label first..

I know Larry…Susan and Joe are reading them..

Are all of you..??

REALLY..??

Or are you more like the O.J. Jury..??

BTW boyo, you posted to the wrong thread.

No, Turbo, I did not. (see link to wilson article at top).

Using what I recall of the scientific method I attempted to duplicate your experiment “that Kenya nonsense is literally on Atlas Shrugs first in a google search”. My results are shown below for Obama > Kenya

1. CNN
2. MSNBC
3. Atlas Shrugs
4. Chicago Sun-Times
5. Reuters
6. YouTube
7. YouiTube
8. Wikipedia
9. The Huffington Post
10. Chicago Tribune

clearly you didn’t read any of the articles (tip, i read the top 4), as only the Atlas Shrugs one has any claim of impropriety on Obama’s part. In fact, it reads almost exactly like larry’s post, only with a slight increase in muslim baiting.

Additionally, when did the truth become a party?
Otherwise i fail to see the “partisan” part.

. . . and his crew.

no, I have an irrational hatred of jews too, after all , the jews and the muslims are racially identical.
(kidding BTW)

me thinks you should take any pill you can get your hands on. There’s some good phsychosis drugs on the market these days…

Obama’s father was a muslim cocksman, Obama has no choice in having muslim relatives, they come with his paternity.

I agree with that comment. There is a website called “freedom’s enemies” that is a hit job on Obama. I am a Hillary supporter but that website is a piece of trash. The website constantly documents Obama’s muslim family. It is absolutely ridiculous because it says how much of a muslim Obama is and that he is the muslim’s Manchurian Candidate. Then it talks about how Obama supports abortion and gay marriage. Now, I am not an expert on the muslim religion but I am pretty sure it does not support neither abortion or gay marriage.

Really, Obama’s family history should not play a role in his campaign. At least not by any democrat. Although I understand how the repubs will play it.

This year sucks.

“In fact, it reads almost exactly like larry’s post,”

“almost exactly” is what saves that sophistic piece of crap from a lie.

The piece on Atlas Shrugged is a vitriolic Zionist diatribe and not

“How will Mr. Obama respond to charges made by the Kenyan government that his campaigning activities in Kenya in support of his distant cousin running for president there made him “a stooge” and constituted interference in the politics of an important and besieged ally in the war on terror?”

from the piece written by “Dear Mr. Wilson” not “larry’s post”.

This charge was reported in an AFP story carried by the Turkish Press as
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=140110

” day after Obama’s stinging speech at the University of Nairobi, Mutua dsmissed the lone African-American in the US Senate and potential Democratic Party presidential nominee as “immature” and an opposition stooge.”

So the kid opened his mouth, pissed off the Kenyan government and now they consider him fair game.

Tough titty.

You still lied about Atlas Shrugged being first in the Google Search (if you ever did search) and you still replied to the wrong post.

Shirin I take your point. I’d think that if you where briefed on 1/22/09 that “Murder at 1600″ needed a cororner and forensics work; what she does with it will depend on what the depth of the depravity found is. The “chimp-o-matic” machine will have lied in any briefing given up until that point and hard facts will be at a premium. This time, the W’s really will be missing from the keyboards.

The House of Representives came to a screeching constitutional halt today.

Bruce Fein’s articles of impeachment:
http://politics.lasvegassun.com/2007/09/bruce-feins-art.html

Amen

What a trail of tears. Nice historical nugget!

“You still lied about Atlas Shrugged being first in the Google Search (if you ever did search) and you still replied to the wrong post.”

This is the last time im going to respond to this false claim. scroll up, you will see and exerpt of wilsons article with a link.

“This charge was reported in an AFP story carried by the Turkish Press as
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=140110

” day after Obama’s stinging speech at the University of Nairobi, Mutua dsmissed the lone African-American in the US Senate and potential Democratic Party presidential nominee as “immature” and an opposition stooge.”

So the kid opened his mouth, pissed off the Kenyan government and now they consider him fair game.”

I fail to see how this helps your argument, assuming you are making one…

“The piece on Atlas Shrugged is a vitriolic Zionist diatribe and not”

try reading what i said “In fact, it reads almost exactly like larry’s post,”

not wilsons crap, LARRY’s crap.

I love how you claim im in the wrong thread and then mistakenly prove yourself wrong by accidentally posting wilsons shit faced smear from above, as apposed to larry’s race baiting piece of shit article, which reads a lot like the atlas shrugs garbage. you remind me of this guy:

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/n/U/moran.jpg

down to 540
A Dilbert moment.

http://www.comics.com/comics/dilbert/archive/index.html

oh and it is the first “article” that makes any claim that obama is somehow responsible. So again, you’re wrong.

“When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, did we give up?” – John “Bluto” Blutarsky, Animal House

Hard to Party Like It’s 1999, huh?

what else comes in three,
The Marx Brothers, I am waiting for Harpo to show up right now.

Yes, the Kenya bullshit is bullshit.

And the Muslim relative bullshit?

Rent Idiocracy. Will explain to everyone why smart people have a responsibility to reproduce.

If “Murder at 1600″ were the only issue she would have to deal with, I would not be all that concerned. There’s a whole lot more going on in the world than that.

oh, also bullshit. And race/ethnicity/religion baiting. Muslims turn out to be people too, after all…

Looks like a PARTY Year to me..

I’m going to hang out with Larry and Joe and look for the Disquises..

Larry..Don’t forget the cigars..

I’ll bring the JD..

Simon, despite your refusal to give me a straight response, I am going to give you one:

I asked: “Simon, why do insist on relying on Americans to evaluate Iraq for you”

You shot back: “Your assumption, not mine.”

On the contrary, Simon, you have said repeatedly that “Iraq MUST be evaluated properly, before any decision can be made in regard to resolution”, and you have repeatedly mentioned only Americans – Joe Wilson and Wes Clark consistently – as qualified evaluators. You have not only never once even suggested that so much as a single Iraqi be involved, you have carefully avoided the issue.

I, on the other hand, have pointed out over and over and over and over again that the people who are best qualified to evaluate their own situation, and the only people who have any real right to make decisions regarding their fate and the fate of their country – the people of Iraq who are living there – have made very clear their desire to have the United States out of Iraq and their belief that only then would they have a chance at restoring stability. You have not ever once even acknowledged this, even to challenge it.

I have also repeatedly stated that the United States is the CAUSE of instability in Iraq, and will not ever bring stability to that country, but on the contrary can and will bring only increased instability. Iraq was stable until the United States shocked and awed its way into the country and systematically destroyed what 13 years of bombs, sanctions, and import embargo had left of the governmental, civil, and social structures that keep any country stable.

Suggesting that Iraq needs the United States to decide what is best for it, and to stay around to bring it stability is like suggesting that a victim of a brutal gang rape needs her rapists to decide what is best for her, and to stay around to restore her sense of safety, equilibrium, and confidence.

“Interesting.”

Not really. This childish little game you are playing is very uninteresting in fact (not to mention that it is quite reminiscent of “Mike Howell’s” silly game playing). A real conversation consisting of real listening and real, rational responses would be far more interesting.

I asked: “The Iraqi people are not sufficiently sophisticated in Iraqi matters to understand what needs to happen and what needs not to happen?”

You shot back: “Do you think that, Shirin?”

More childish, silly, boringly transparent game playing. Obviously I do not, as anyone who has read anything I have written on the subject knows very, very well.

“What would make you think that?”

A better question is what would make you think that the best person to “evaluate” and decide what what is best for Iraqis is not the Iraqi people. What would make you think that an American such as Joe Wilson is better qualified than Iraqi people to decide about Iraq – Joe Wilson, who with all due respect for his strength, courage, and excellent work in 1990, and his courageous (if belated) outing of the Niger business, has in his lifetime spent only a very short time in Iraq, has never really lived in Iraq, but inside an American diplomatic cocoon there, who does not speak Arabic, and who met few, if any, actual Iraq people (as opposed to the sorts of people one meets and deals with as a diplomat)? And even more, what would make you think that Iraq’s fate should be decided not by the Iraqi people, but by someone like Wes Clark, a military man who is if anything farther removed from the everyday Iraqi reality as Iraqis experience and understand it than Joe Wilson is?

And on top of that, you, who understand next to nothing about Iraq – far less, certainly, than either Joe Wilson or Wes Clark understands – consider yourself qualified to evaluate the quantity and more importantly the quality, and degree of connection with reality, of their Iraq knowledge. They could be talking complete nonsense and you would think it was gospel because you don’t know.

The fact is that no Americans have the knowledge, the understanding, or the right to decide about Iraq. Only the Iraqi people know and comprehend enough about Iraq, and only Iraqi people have the right to decide what should happen with respect to Iraq, and when it should happen. And the overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people across all religions and ethnicities want the United States out of Iraq sooner rather than later. The majority of Iraqis across all religions and ethnicities understand that the Americans cause many more problems than they solve, and believe that they will be better off when they are free of the American presence. Even a very significant majority of Kurds are more than ready to say goodbye.

So, the question is, why do you keep ignoring that fact, and insisting that someone like a Joe Wilson (with all respect to him), or a Wes Clark are the ones to “evaluate” Iraq?

John…Thats your only comment to my Post above..? Sounds like you must be an expert on Psychosis Drugs..and pills..What kinds do you take..??

Sounds like you must Smoke too…since you are blowing so much..Is that why you can’t deal with Realty.. You prefer an altered state..??

You are Right tho…there is all Kinds of Shit on the Market these days..and all kinds of people selling it..

Drugs and Deception..Thats all the American people get offered these days….Sad…

Perhaps you have just gotten used to your own demons..other people recognize them for what they are..and Walk away..

Shirin interrogates: Have you, or have you ever had, a Muslim relative?

Right! [laughing] And the ghosts of the House Unamerican Activities Committee lean forward in their seats, rubbing their thighs:

Actually, I haven’t a clue. I’m an infidel, uh, atheist, myself, and consequently never really paid much attention to the religious encumbrances of the forebears. Further deponent sayeth not.

Now let’s ask Larry.

Obama ought know better than to interfere in another country’s elections.

“Muslims turn out to be people too, after all…”

Wow! Really?! But how can that BE?! I mean, aren’t they kind of like the Borg, all looking and thinking alike, and isn’t their collective goal to assimilate everyone – you know, spreading Islam and the Caliphate by the sword, resistance to Allah is futile, and all that?

Where did you hear that they are people too? That sounds like a dangerous idea that should be squashed immediately!

“Israel certainly wouldn’t negotiate with a muslim US President…”

Ummmmmmm – Obama is not a Muslim. He is a born again Christian and former atheist. His father was an avowed atheist by the time he met Barack’s mother. Obama has little if any actual connection to Islam, and I will bet he has even less knowledge and understanding of it.

“the arguments against Obama mounted here are more innuendo than anything else”

Innuendo and speculation, often superficial, non-substantive, and not terribly relevant.

“I’m especially disheartened by the “muslim relatives” comment, which seems to imply that evil equals muslim, and smacks of McCarthyism to boot.”

Bingo! As mature, sophisticated, relevant arguments go it’s about on a par with Barak HUSSEIN Obama, which is more or less on a par with “your mother’s ugly”, “well, so is your father, whoever he is”.

“Regardless of what sort of zealots have overrun the joint there, it’s no good to simply outdo the zealotry.”

Yes, it is really too bad to see Larry and Susan stooping to their level and trying to outdo them.

I was a contributor to his WesPac from the beginning, and still believe him to be the genuine article in many ways. As a matter of principle, I must question his decision to support and raise money for the Clinton campaign.
However,if we do manage to elect a Democrat President, he would make an extraordinary Secretary of State.

Nothing is untrue in that sentence (except perhaps the characterisation of Kenya), but it falls into the right wing framing of labelling things evil or bad;

Africa: Bad, corrupt, failed
Muslim: Bad, terrorist, religious extremist

This is the sort of thing that all progressives should reject vehemently. Sure, take his background into account, but implying or encouraging such disgusting conclusions is horrible. Put simply, none of those are reasons not to vote for Obama, unless as a bigot those factors are important to you.

Didn’t you get the memo? Apparently it’s okay to be a religious bigot and hate all Muslims and anyone associated with a Muslim is ‘tainted’.

I’d rather see Clark at NSA. He has a ton of NATO experience as SACEUR.

Perhaps people could get some insight from President Jimmy Carter about the result in Kenya’s elections.

To hear this right, Obama’s cousin didn’t want international transparency in his elections.

That’s a rollback.

Perhaps Larry pointing out the other items of the man’s background that, coupled with the fact he’s refused to honor the voting and participation larger world community, would basically set people’s hair on fire in foreign policy ranks.

The problem with these strong man types is that they create refugees for neighboring lands, which increases tensions. In time they’ll run out of people to cast as villains within their country, and take their need for conflict to rally their political base to neighboring lands.

Or, they’ll bring people under intimidation to the point there’s less need to act on internal differences, and begin to export their radical approach to misgoverning in the form of conflict to other lands the same way.

From the standpoint of American foreign policy endorsement, from Obama’s approval, this is Liberia, redux. Same problem, different century.

“…he’s refused to honor the voting and, thus, participation in the larger world community…”

don’t bother shirin, all simon does is pose stupid questions in response to serious responses. You will never get an actual thought out of him.

maybe i was too forgiving, perhaps you are right! DEATH TO MUSLIMS, DEATH TO OBAMA!

dont bother, that guy is clearly off his meds.

I’m usually against big pharma, but in some cases anti-psychotics are necessary. You’re post above puts you well within the range of psychosis.

This is another example of the GENIUS of John Witherspoon’s Tome:
“when unable to answer a question the best course is always to turn into into an unfounded attack on your “enemy.””

This wouldn’t be another one of those attacks, would it? Certainly attacks, are your favorite part of the net.

I believe Bob Dole also flew combat in WW2.
A lot of american airmen died flying gasoline over the hump in support of Chiang and the Kuomintang.

One is not responsible for the choices one’s mother and father make on a birth certificate. Just ask any boy named Sue.
And even changing one’s name legally does not eradicate what one’s parents did from history or from documents predating the legal name change. So Senator Obama has a first name that means blessed in the various semitic languages ( Barrack, Baruch ) and a middle name ( which I believe means handsome or good ) that the last dead bogeyman had for a last name. So Blessed Handsome Obama is what his parents decided to name him.
It’s a tough name to live up to. The sins that parents commit in naming their little bundles of joy.

“Screw faster, the dumb ones are.” As a fighting motto it leaves something to be desired, but for the younger folk here it might work as a pickup line in certain trendy bars. Demographics is a difficult and tricky topic, but one thing that demographics suggests is that power does not grow out of the barrel of a gun but from the depths of the wombs. Which I suspect is a truth the fundies know and fear and is explanatory of their immense desire to control not only abortion but also all sexuality. Those millions of aborted fetuses could all have become volunteers in America’s military, and consumers of Gideon’s bible between episodes of 24 and Dexter.

Replace name, lather, rinse, repeat.
Condi ought to know better than to interfere in another country’s elections.
Replace name, lather, rinse, repeat
Kermit Rooseveldt ought to know better than to interfere in another country’s elections.
Replace name, lather, rinse, repeat.
… Lot of names to replace.

Barack Hussein Obama’s cousin – Odinga- supports radical muslim law – which requires females to cover their faces!

Barack Hussein Obama’s radical black church just gave Nation of Islam Louis hate monger Farakan a lifetime acheiievement award.

It’s just all of Barack Hussein Obama’s relatives that are muslims, which is why his father had a muslim funeral.

While the city sued Rezko for his dealdly buildings, Barack Hussein Obama received campaign donations from Rezko.

I just wish Barack Hussein Obama had a little Christian charity in him so that he wasn’t hitting currently indicted Syria national Antonin Rezko up for a mansion while his constituents were in unheated buildings.

Why didn’t Barack Hussein Obama – self-proclaimed community organizer – help these people?

Only some part of a half of Obama’s relatives are muslim, the other part of that half is Anglican. His mother’s side of the family is a bit short on exoticism.

One gets the funeral ones surviving relatives decide upon. As the corpse, you are there to be part of the scenery.

Senator Obama is not the rector of his church, his responsibility for who the church chooses to honour is 0. Louis Farrakhan is an issue for some folks, others find him a staunch and honourable supporter of black self-reliance and independence.

Rezko appears to have spread a lot of donations to a lot of people in Chicago and nationally.
Anyone wishing to prosper in areas where the government is the predominant decider of who succeeds and who fails greases as necessary.

“I believe Bob Dole also flew combat in WW2.”

Bob Dole was in the infantry, wounded in Italy.

Well, to my mind the first shot in this current clusterfuck was fired at the end of March 2006, after Wes had spent six months herding cats getting the Dems on one page vis a vis Iraq.

The press conference announcing this historic accord was held on Friday, March 29, 2006–except no one ever saw it because Dubya pre-empted on all channels, and rambled on for as long as it took to bury them.

I tuned into C-Span in the wee small hours of Saturday a.m. and caught a brief glimpse of the presser, Wes at the mic, Pelosi on one side, Reid on the other, the congressional Dems lined up in 2-3 rows behind, but it was a VERY brief glimpse, and gone before it really registered.

It wasn’t until I got online on Sunday that I found out what was up–and by that time Kerry had announced his own Iraq plan wiith great pomp and flourishes–and from then on that was the meme, never disputed by the Dem talking heads on the teevee: the Dems were hopelessly divided on Iraq.

Folks, this is a palace putsch, the Kennedy wing of the party vs. the Clinton wing, with Obama the hollow man out front, and they don’t give a flying fuck about anything but power–witness the insanity vis a vis Michigan and FLORIDA, of all places.

We are soo very screwed.

Groundpounder in the 10th, I knew that. Brain farts.
My bad.

Thinker,

Israel certainly wouldn’t negotiate with a muslim US President, but Israel won’t negotiate

Obama isn’t a Muslim. And they won’t negotiate with anyone.

Follow along here:

http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/02/obamas-we-need.html

Patrick,

December 15, 2007
Barack Obama says that if he’s elected President, he’ll double the funding for the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) and make sure it has the inspectors it needs to ensure that the goods sold to American consumers are safe.
————————————————-
Question: Bad trade deals have sent good jobs overseas. What will you do to support the American workers and restore the middle class?

Answer: Senator Obama said he would “remove tax incentives for US businesses that offshore jobs” and would instead “establish tax incentives for companies that create or keep good jobs here”. He went on to recommend that we put labor and environmental standards into all new trade deals and that we take measures to protect US consumers from lead paint in toys by establishing our inspectors in other countries before export, before entering onto US soil. He also said a new energy economy andinvestments in vital infrastructure would create good jobs.

Ha!

Hey, I like Dexter…

I hear his other cousin – Cheney – wants to invade Iran and kill hundreds of thousands of Sharia law supporting Muslims.

Does that make you feel better?

A cipher on the Internet trashing Joe Wilson isn’t news, given the heavy-hitters that have tried to take a piece out of Wilson’s hide. compared with the outing of his wife, this kid is just a gnat on the pimple on the elephant’s backside. Hell, I don’t even mind the lie that somehow Wilson and that Zionist nutter website are somehow linked or that by implication Wilson shares their views: I mean Wilson has taken body blows from Rove & Co. and gone eyeball to eyeball with Saddam Hussein, so how much of a dent will a true believer hiding behind a keyboard do?

On the other hand, I do find it interesting that the blog in question, Atlas Shrugs, made it into the top ten Google hits. It is a blog by Pamela Geller, whose CV says that she is (used to be) an assistant publisher for The New York Observer. I looked over her blog it and it looks to be representative what a quasi shiksa JAP with an attitude would put out: If you have a problem with the IDF shooting rock-throwing preteens to doll rags or if you question the wisdom of bulldozing Yank college girls, then you are a typical Jew-hating antisemite. That’s not unusual, fairly pedestrian in fact, as there are hundreds of these blogs out there.

What is unusual is that a couple of days ago this obscure blog made it to THIRD place below CNN, et.al. when obama>kenya was put in the Google search string. Like I said, I looked the blog over and while there are articles on Obama posted there is nothing like the traffic of nastygrams covering the Prince of Platitude on No Quarter. So how does she do it? I didn’t contact her for an interview but I can guess a bit.

You can hire people who promise to hawk your web site to the search engines: I get these solicititations promising to promote my firm’s web site. Once the placement of Geller’s blog tweaked my curiosity I did some further investigation and found that you can not only fill out a registration with all the web crawlers but that you can subtly plant links on strategic websites that will do the same job as registration in just a few days.

Larry Johnson take note. If you really want to vet our lad, you had best get listed.

“which reads a lot like the atlas shrugs garbage”
You are obviously under the fatally mistaken impression that you are engaged in a debate.

You have been exposed as an erstwhile sophist who, while engaged in the not too subtle, specious smear as italicized above, was caught in a lie. I watched the same thing happen to Joe McCarthy on live coverage of the Army-McCarthy hearings.

Please have the decency to exit in the same manner.

Besides, you still posted to the wrong thread.

Momma Witherspoon raised a dummy, poor woman.

Interesting Cee,thanks

Barack to stand with the Muslims!

The following ‘words matter’ taken from the book written by Barack Hussein Mohammad Obama – Audacity of Hope: ‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.’ From a man who says ‘words matter’

Can you understand what Barack Hussein Mohammad Obama said in the book he wrote?

Barack Hussein Mohammad Obama, claiming to be a Christian, would and should have written, but did not:
“I will stand with the Christians should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Intelligent people do not believe anyone that speaks hot and cold with the same breath!

Do you?

Do you still think that Barack Hussein Mohammad Obama is not a Muslim?