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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1529/valerie-plame-wilson-wide-open-thread/#comment-138055</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Keyes:
&lt;em&gt;Valerie’s book was a “bomb”?&lt;/em&gt; 

If you have not read it I would recommend it, if only to become aware of the level of vindictive redaction her book was subjected to, which is stunning. Some of the redactions you can reconstruct due to the way Valerie Wilson writes. For example the word &#039;and&#039; was redacted. What Valerie is &quot;allowed&quot; to write gives the reader a worth while insight to her experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Keyes:<br />
<em>Valerie’s book was a “bomb”?</em> </p>
<p>If you have not read it I would recommend it, if only to become aware of the level of vindictive redaction her book was subjected to, which is stunning. Some of the redactions you can reconstruct due to the way Valerie Wilson writes. For example the word &#8216;and&#8217; was redacted. What Valerie is &#8220;allowed&#8221; to write gives the reader a worth while insight to her experience.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakwoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1529/valerie-plame-wilson-wide-open-thread/#comment-137846</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakwoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have we seen this pattern before? Where the IAEA saw
the Italian letter and fogetaboudit.

U.S. to Produce Data on Iran’s Nuclear Program 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/world/middleeast/15iran.html?_r=1&amp;hp&amp;oref=slogin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have we seen this pattern before? Where the IAEA saw<br />
the Italian letter and fogetaboudit.</p>
<p>U.S. to Produce Data on Iran’s Nuclear Program </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/world/middleeast/15iran.html?_r=1&#038;hp&#038;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/world/middleeast/15iran.html?_r=1&#038;hp&#038;oref=slogin</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sometime-CIA-Defender</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1529/valerie-plame-wilson-wide-open-thread/#comment-137724</link>
		<dc:creator>Sometime-CIA-Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Ms. Plame-Wilson, she was interviewed regarding Sybil Edmonds recently. From BradBlog:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5685#more-5685

&lt;blockquote&gt;Former CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson says the recent disclosures in the UK&#039;s Sunday Times concerning the sale of U.S. nuclear secrets to the foreign black market, as aided by high-ranking government officials, are &quot;stunning.&quot;

...&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Ms. Plame-Wilson, she was interviewed regarding Sybil Edmonds recently. From BradBlog:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5685#more-5685" rel="nofollow">http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5685#more-5685</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Former CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson says the recent disclosures in the UK&#8217;s Sunday Times concerning the sale of U.S. nuclear secrets to the foreign black market, as aided by high-ranking government officials, are &#8220;stunning.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Sometime-CIA-Defender</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1529/valerie-plame-wilson-wide-open-thread/#comment-137645</link>
		<dc:creator>Sometime-CIA-Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An &quot;interesting&quot; article, where, like MSNBC tried to say about VPW (that her employment info was on the internet for anyone to see), Newsweek&#039;s Michael Hirsch seems to think that secrets are simply pouring out through public sector and public domain sources.  Nah, couldn&#039;t be that neocons sold them, right?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/111816</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An &#8220;interesting&#8221; article, where, like MSNBC tried to say about VPW (that her employment info was on the internet for anyone to see), Newsweek&#8217;s Michael Hirsch seems to think that secrets are simply pouring out through public sector and public domain sources.  Nah, couldn&#8217;t be that neocons sold them, right?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/111816" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsweek.com/id/111816</a></p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1529/valerie-plame-wilson-wide-open-thread/#comment-137536</link>
		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the facts are against you argue the law.
If the law is against you argue the facts.
If the law and the facts are against you, hammer the table with your shoe and scream a lot.
Sorta the same way the Obama supporters use every twitch to make the Clinton&#039;s look bad.
Bill have you ever been to a bullfight?  Politics is the American equivalent but with a slight difference in that both candidates think they are the matadors and all the spectators know that both candidates are used bull food.  In the end the spectators get to award one brass ring to the least noxious pile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the facts are against you argue the law.<br />
If the law is against you argue the facts.<br />
If the law and the facts are against you, hammer the table with your shoe and scream a lot.<br />
Sorta the same way the Obama supporters use every twitch to make the Clinton&#8217;s look bad.<br />
Bill have you ever been to a bullfight?  Politics is the American equivalent but with a slight difference in that both candidates think they are the matadors and all the spectators know that both candidates are used bull food.  In the end the spectators get to award one brass ring to the least noxious pile.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Keyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Keyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just trying to see that if the earmarks become a campaign issue how the Hillary lovers on this site can spin the facts to make Obama look bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just trying to see that if the earmarks become a campaign issue how the Hillary lovers on this site can spin the facts to make Obama look bad.</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the issue with earmarks?  The money is in the budget already, it is going to be spent in various districts already. Earmarking is just saying this budgeted money goes for this specific project.
The pie is there, it has already been sliced, earmarking is a way of saying which crumbs get which crumbs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the issue with earmarks?  The money is in the budget already, it is going to be spent in various districts already. Earmarking is just saying this budgeted money goes for this specific project.<br />
The pie is there, it has already been sliced, earmarking is a way of saying which crumbs get which crumbs.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Keyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Keyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Candidates&#039; Earmarks Worth Millions
Of Front-Runners, McCain Abstained

By Paul Kane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 14, 2008; Page A01

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton helped secure more than $340 million worth of home-state projects in last year&#039;s spending bills, placing her among the top 10 Senate recipients of what are commonly known as earmarks, according to a new study by a nonpartisan budget watchdog group.

Working with her New York colleagues in nearly every case, Clinton supported almost four times as much spending on earmarked projects as her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), whose $91 million total placed him in the bottom quarter of senators who seek earmarks, the study showed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Candidates&#8217; Earmarks Worth Millions<br />
Of Front-Runners, McCain Abstained</p>
<p>By Paul Kane<br />
Washington Post Staff Writer<br />
Thursday, February 14, 2008; Page A01</p>
<p>Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton helped secure more than $340 million worth of home-state projects in last year&#8217;s spending bills, placing her among the top 10 Senate recipients of what are commonly known as earmarks, according to a new study by a nonpartisan budget watchdog group.</p>
<p>Working with her New York colleagues in nearly every case, Clinton supported almost four times as much spending on earmarked projects as her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), whose $91 million total placed him in the bottom quarter of senators who seek earmarks, the study showed.</p>
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		<title>By: Waiting in Texas</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1529/valerie-plame-wilson-wide-open-thread/#comment-137423</link>
		<dc:creator>Waiting in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally think Greta Sacchi or Virginia Madsen would make a better Valerie Plame.

So, slightly OT here, but I was wondering about something concerning this whole telecom immunity deal. Is there some sort of nasty backstory concerning the telecoms and the Bush WH? It just seems that the WH is in a real pickle and it has nothing to do with terrorism or lawsuits. The WH is absolutely desperate to give the telecoms immunity, but its not for the reasons that they are saying on tv.

How patriotic of the telecoms. I bet they were duped just like the rest of us. Anyone know of anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think Greta Sacchi or Virginia Madsen would make a better Valerie Plame.</p>
<p>So, slightly OT here, but I was wondering about something concerning this whole telecom immunity deal. Is there some sort of nasty backstory concerning the telecoms and the Bush WH? It just seems that the WH is in a real pickle and it has nothing to do with terrorism or lawsuits. The WH is absolutely desperate to give the telecoms immunity, but its not for the reasons that they are saying on tv.</p>
<p>How patriotic of the telecoms. I bet they were duped just like the rest of us. Anyone know of anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reservoir Dog Michael &quot;Mr.Blonde&quot; Madsen for the role of Ms.Blonde&#039;s husband.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reservoir Dog Michael &#8220;Mr.Blonde&#8221; Madsen for the role of Ms.Blonde&#8217;s husband.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1529/valerie-plame-wilson-wide-open-thread/#comment-137263</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other news, &#039;Dumb Blonde Stereotype&#039; shot all to hell by Valerie, at Company firing range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other news, &#8216;Dumb Blonde Stereotype&#8217; shot all to hell by Valerie, at Company firing range.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valerie could be Nicole&#039;s stunt woman. She&#039;s overqualified for any physical challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valerie could be Nicole&#8217;s stunt woman. She&#8217;s overqualified for any physical challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Keyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Keyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of points..... 

My wife said she heard on NPR recently that Valerie&#039;s book was a &quot;bomb&quot;  Any truth to that? 

Also and this should probably be directed to Larry and that is what he thinks, if he has read it, the book by Tim Weiner called Legacy of Ashes about the history of the CIA.

A good Republican friend of mine who was a executive for Sprint who also has an opinion on the telecom immunity but that is another story, read it and now has a dim view of some of the black ops stuff the CIA supposedly did in years gone by.

Not taking sides just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of points&#8230;.. </p>
<p>My wife said she heard on NPR recently that Valerie&#8217;s book was a &#8220;bomb&#8221;  Any truth to that? </p>
<p>Also and this should probably be directed to Larry and that is what he thinks, if he has read it, the book by Tim Weiner called Legacy of Ashes about the history of the CIA.</p>
<p>A good Republican friend of mine who was a executive for Sprint who also has an opinion on the telecom immunity but that is another story, read it and now has a dim view of some of the black ops stuff the CIA supposedly did in years gone by.</p>
<p>Not taking sides just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: shoephone</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoephone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All three are too ugly.

I&#039;ve met Joe Wilson and he is one handsome man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All three are too ugly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met Joe Wilson and he is one handsome man.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkL</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open thread?

Jesse Jackson Jr is at it again:

&lt;blockquote&gt;One black supporter of Clinton, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri, said he remains committed to her. &quot;There&#039;s nothing going on right now that would cause me to&quot; change, he said...

...In an interview, Cleaver offered a glimpse of private conversations.

He said Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois had recently asked him &quot;if it comes down to the last day and you&#039;re the only superdelegate? ... Do you want to go down in history as the one to prevent a black from winning the White House?

&quot;I told him I&#039;d think about it,&quot; Cleaver concluded.

Jackson, an Obama supporter, confirmed the conversation, and said the dilemma may pose a career risk for some black politicians. &quot;Many of these guys have offered their support to Mrs. Clinton, but Obama has won their districts. So you wake up without the carpet under your feet. You might find some young primary challenger placing you in a difficult position&quot; in the future, he added.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(from MYDD).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open thread?</p>
<p>Jesse Jackson Jr is at it again:</p>
<blockquote><p>One black supporter of Clinton, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri, said he remains committed to her. &#8220;There&#8217;s nothing going on right now that would cause me to&#8221; change, he said&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;In an interview, Cleaver offered a glimpse of private conversations.</p>
<p>He said Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois had recently asked him &#8220;if it comes down to the last day and you&#8217;re the only superdelegate? &#8230; Do you want to go down in history as the one to prevent a black from winning the White House?</p>
<p>&#8220;I told him I&#8217;d think about it,&#8221; Cleaver concluded.</p>
<p>Jackson, an Obama supporter, confirmed the conversation, and said the dilemma may pose a career risk for some black politicians. &#8220;Many of these guys have offered their support to Mrs. Clinton, but Obama has won their districts. So you wake up without the carpet under your feet. You might find some young primary challenger placing you in a difficult position&#8221; in the future, he added.</p></blockquote>
<p>(from MYDD).</p>
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