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Obama’s Terrorist Ties [DOUBLE UPDATED]

By Larry Johnson on October 10, 2008 at 6:28 PM in Current Affairs

[Don't say we did not try to warn you. This is the first piece I published on Ayers on 15 February 2008. Thought it worthwhile to put it back up today, 10 October, so you can see how the story has developed since then. LJ]

As Democrats and Independents weigh who they want to run against John McCain in the fall, answer this question. Can you support a candidate who is friends with terrorists? Can you support a candidate who takes money from terrorists? Well, if Obama is your man you have some problems. Today’s Bloomberg News drops this bombshell:

Besides Rezko and Giannoulias, Obama could face questions about his relationship with William Ayers, a former member of the radical group the Weather Underground who is now a professor of education at the University of Illinois in Chicago. Ayers donated $200 in 2001 to Obama’s Illinois state Senate campaign and served with him from 1999 to 2002 on the board of the Woods Fund, an anti-poverty group.

A Series of Bombings

The Weather Underground carried out a series of bombings in the early 1970s — including the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon. While Ayers was never prosecuted for those attacks, he told the New York Times in an interview published Sept. 11, 2001, that “I don’t regret setting bombs.”

Bill Burton, Obama’s spokesman, said Ayers “does not have a role on the campaign.” Ayers said he had no comment on his relationship with Obama.

Does not have a role on the campaign? Well thank God for that. Are you kidding me?

Peter Hitchens was the first to hint at this relationship, but Tim Burger nails it. William Ayers is an American terrorist. What else do you call someone who plants bombs at Federal facilities? William Ayers has not been prosecuted for the bombings, but he was directly involved. He admits this. And do not give me the nonsense that he was fighting for a good cause. Martin Luther King’s message of non-violence had no place in the political ideology of Mr. Ayers. And Ayers is unrepentant.

First, Ayers contributed money to Obama.

Your search found 1 receipts totaling $200.00

Contributed By Amount Received By Description
Ayers, William
1329 E. 50th Street
Chicago, IL 60615 		$200.00
4/2/2001		 Individual Contribution
Friends of Barack Obama

Second, this is more than a casual acquaintance. Obama and Ayers served together on the board of the Woods Fund. Did Obama and Ayers do more than simply sit side-by-side? Did they steer money to favored groups? Those are questions that journalists not bowing at the feet of the Obama god need to ask.

At a minimun this reminds us that there is a pattern of bad judgment by Obama. He goes in on a land deal with Tony Rezko even though he knows Rezko is a target of a Federal investigation. And his explanation? A mistake in judgment. Now this. Anyone thinking of running for President should know they cannot take money from a terrorist and they cannot serve on a board with a terrorist. Period. But this simple lesson apparently escapes the brilliant constitutional law professor.

This much we do know. Obama does not deny having a relationship with William Ayers. Obama has never repudiated the terrorism of William Ayers. If you think this is a record Obama can run on in the fall and survive you are living in an alternate universe. It is time to get some clear answers to tough questions before the Democrats sell their soul to someone whose lapses in judgment will come back to haunt them in the fall.

UPDATE:  Touched a nerve eh?  I apologize for being out of pocket, but it is tough to blog while flying back from Bogota.  Some of you folks need to pour a stiff drink and do some deep breathing exercises.  The facts are quite clear:

  1. William Ayers conducted terrorist attacks inside the United States and against the U.S. Government.  He does not consider himself a terrorist, but he admits he did the acts.
  2. Barack Obama has had a long standing relationship with Ayers and is quite knowledgeable of his past.
  3. Barack and Ayers served together on the Wood Fund.  I am told, but have not yet confirmed, that they steered money to an individual who is under Federal indictment.  If that is true, life gets more interesting.
  4. William Ayers made a small financial contribution to Obama’s first campaign.  In the total scheme of things, not significant, except it will be used by Republicans against Obama in the fall.  How do you explain to Joe or Jane Average American that a guy who describes U.S. Marines as terrorists not only gave you money but also helped raise money for your campaign?  Do you really think most Americans will shrug and say, “No big deal”?

My point in getting these issues out on the table now is to get them out now.  If you don’t understand how to make a TV ad that opens with dead Marines in Vietnam and Beirut, fade to William Ayers calling them terrorists, fade to Barrack Obama and Ayers on the same board, and fade to Ayers as a fund raiser for Barrack, then you know nothing of politics.

Make your decision with the best information available.   That’s my point.  Let’s get Obama’s skeletons out in the open while something can still be done.  Closing one’s eyes and wishing this goes away is silly.

  • Adam B.

    Watch the chronology: you’re attacking Obama for receiving a contribution from Ayers *before* Ayers’ public admissions.

    • simon

      Watch the chronology: you’re attacking Obama for receiving a contribution from Ayers *before* Ayers’ public admissions

      Would you explain your reasoning, for this statement?

      Ayers was well known as a member of an American terrorist group, this is not in question.

      You appear to want to argue semantics versus fact, but I may be reading you wrong.

      What I found interesting, though, is Ayers and Obama’s connections to the Arab American Action Network.

      Have they been targeted by the FBI for possible money laundering, in connection with terrorism?

      Over 3500 New Yorkers, secretaries and stock brokers DIED due to these connections, whether Obama is directly connected, or not.

      And then all those airplanes, and the Pentagon, on 9.11.

      Not to mention those blown up round the world, daily, in the name of American political campaign financing, apparently.

      It matters, and if it turns out to be provable, kinda gross you think it’s OK, by equivocating, choosing to obfuscate.

      • Adam B.

        I am unaware of any ties between that entity and terrorism, ever.

        • simon

          Which entity?

          Have you researched the groups targeted by the FBI, after 9.11, or those investigated by Fitzgerald?

          Shouldn’t we wait until the Rezko’s trial, explore Obama’s connections, a bit more, before mindlessly defending him? Isn’t that prudent? It’s only the democratic nomination for President.

          The kicker is Rezko, and Auchi, their middle eastern ties, I’d really like to see that fleshed out.

          As far as I’m concerned, there is simply no way to spin Obama’s relationship with Rezko, he’s a fixer, and he’s dirty, fact.

          If that is acceptable to you, a President nurtured by a man of that sort, OK, but, it’s not healthy.

          If he’s corrupt, he’s already damaged goods.

          • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

            Shouldn’t we wait until the Rezko’s trial, explore Obama’s connections, a bit more, before mindlessly defending him? Isn’t that prudent? It’s only the democratic nomination for President.

            Funny, I would ask if we shouldn’t wait until the evidence comes out before mindlessly INDICTING Obama.

            But them I’m just naive. I think guilt-by-association arguments are often lacking in real evidence.

            And connecting Obama to 9-11 is the most incendiary, provocative crap I’ve heard yet. Where’s your proof?

            • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

              Proof?! Shoephone, Simon has made all kinds of wild allegations and strange accusations here, and he has yet to produce a suggestion of a scintilla of anything to substantiate it. The reason is obvious. I’d say he makes it all up in his head, but I think he actually pulls it out of a part of the anatomy that is closer to the ground.

              • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

                Shirin –

                I’m convinced that Simon is a paid GOP troll. He suddenly showed up here about three weeks ago, ranting at full bore. Two other particular commenters showed up at exactly the same time, using the same tactics, hijacking many of the threads. One of those commenters has since disappeared (a positive result).

                I’m all for fleshing out the past and present corruptions of candidates, and Lord knows, I am no fan of Obama. But the dirty tactics I’m seeing here lately only confirm how nutty some of the so-called supporters on each side can be. Of course, as an Edwards gal, I have less stomach for this nonsense. My only goal is to prevent McCain from winning the White House.

                In the last several days I’ve noticed many new commenters here in the threads, a few of whom I know and recognize from other blogs I’ve been associated with. But some of them I have never seen before and I don’t have to wonder what the motivations behind their tactics are.

                Some of the more incendiary posts don’t help much.

                The circular firing squad of the Democratic party is in high gear.

                • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

                  “Some of the more incendiary posts don’t help much.”

                  I am afraid that includes an increasing number of the posts on the main page. TThis one is already at outlandish, and rapidly approaching outrageous.

                  The hyperbole, and hysterical air of desperation are getting palpable – and embarrassing – and they are driving off a lot of long-time readers and commenters. You can bet for every one who says “I can’t take this anymore, this is not what I came here for, goodbye” you can be sure there are AT LEAST ten more who just don’t come back.

                  It’s too bad. This used to be a place where you could read interesting analysis, and have a lively discussion/argument with a mostly bright and fairly rational group of people. Now the main page reeks, and the comment section is worse.

                  • http://sensen-no-sen.blogspot.com PBI

                    Shirin,

                    I couldnt agree more. This post is like something from Red State or Fox News, and Larry’s “I’m doing it for the good of the campaign” shtick is nauseating.

                    I have not made my final decision on whether I support Obama or Clinton, but the recent tactics of both Hillary’s campaign and her shills is, without question, driving me toward Barack.

                    • Luvmycountry

                      Maybe you should watch this then make your decision. I would NEVER vote for some one who has no respect for our country or our flag. Or shares the name Hussein. But then again – it’s all just WORDS.
                      Be afraid, be very afraid!http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

                    • billyo

                      luvmycuntry,

                      Maybe you shouldn’t vote McCain, then, since he signed a statement denouncing his country while in POW camp. Not all the other POW’s did, why did he? Maybe he hates his country.

                    • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

                      Bullshit. Provide a link or STFU.

                    • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

                      You people talking about whether you’re an Edwards, Obama or Clinton supporter are insane. Edwards will never hold public office again. He cheated on his cancer-stricken wife who he endlessly exploited for political sympathy, and he used his campaign funds to pay off the woman he had an affair and possibly baby with. Clinton knows more about what kind of unscrupulous character Obama is, and she still stumps for him. She dropped out and may never run for President in 2012, though many here hope she will.

                • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

                  Regarding your conviction that Simon/Mike Howell is a troll, I have never EVER suggested this about anyone in all the years I have been posting on the internet (though others, including some here, have flat out accused ME), but I have come to the same conclusion. Call me naive, but I have never really been convinced that the troll phenomenon was real, and the accusation is often hurled at someone with an unpopular position just to try to discredit them or shut them up. However, I cannot find any other explanation for what we have seen here.

                  • chris

                    Shirin, i don’t disagree that “troll” is thrown at people spuriously, but unfortunately there are people who lurk around simply to provoke conflict only. They don’t enjoy debating that isn’t their game. I have watched people even confess that they were only wanting to tick off the locals before they moved on elsewhere to do the same thing.

                    It would be nice to not lob Troll at someone we simply deeply disagree with and whose style may be rough. I have friends who are pretty damn rough with their opinions, but they aren’t trolls.

                    • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

                      Exactly. But in this case, I don’t see any other explanation for the behaviour, the baiting, the game playing, the nonsense talk, the refusal to engage in any real dialogue.

                      Paid troll? I don’t know, do those really exist? But aside from the fact that Simon/Mike Howell have become deadly boring, there is no useful conversation to have there.

                    • chris

                      I have also been in the “is that the mole”, “is that the COINTEL guy” crowds. I know what you mean. Paid trolls? yes.
                      they do exist. sorry to say. But it still isn’t wise tactic to assume we see them.

                    • shirin

                      Well, let’s just say that Simon/Mike Howell is useless, and let it go at that. I tried to have an actual conversation with him several times, and have watched others struggle also. It’s pointless, and I for one am sufficiently bored to move on.

                  • Art

                    I have never really been convinced that the troll phenomenon was real

                    Are you for real? You call that a phenomenon, which means something measurable, but don’t think it’s real? In other words you are seeing things.

                    • Simon

                      I have never really been convinced that the troll phenomenon was real

                      Are you for real? You call that a phenomenon, which means something measurable, but don’t think it’s real? In other words you are seeing things.

                      Perhaps he drinks.

                • Mike Howell

                  shoephone/shurin –

                  Say what you want about me, but leave Simon out of it. I’ve never met Simon, but he or she makes a hell of a lot more sense than your drivel. I have lots of real live friends and you mean nothing to me as does anything about trolls.

                  Your delusional thinking that has led you to believe that being “for” a candidate who is no longer in the race will somehow help is pathetic. The only way John Edwards has a chance now that Urkle Hussein Obama the Charlatan from Chicago is still preaching will be if Urkle is indicted before the convention.

                • Andy

                  Why is that rather than address the issue tha Obama has associations with domestic terrorists like Ayers some of you merely call Simon a GOP troll?
                  Ayers has more than just a loose association with Obama. His association has repeatedly mischaracterized by Axelrod…. don’t you wonder why?

                  He has been supporting the AAAN and anti-Israeli casues for years and only now publicly show support for Israel.

                  regardless of his BS speech in Philadelphia, his actions and asocatons speakloue than his words and his actions show he is a racist and supports black anger against whites.

                  the man is a far left radical, who supports a left socialist agenda and pretends he doesn’t. He has shown he is nothing more than your typical power hungry politician in many, many ways over they years and the media seems to have no interest in vetting him out.

                  He has interfered in Kenyan politics to supports Islamic communists.

                  the point is that he is not what he says he is. He has never crossed the isle for middle gorund, he has shown no respect ever for conservative ideas.

                  I particularly dislike his typical liberal class warfare philosopy and his fscist desire to steal through taxation money from people who work hard to redistribute it to people who either refuse to pay their dues or have made all the wrong decisions throughout their lives. He is a racial divider not uniter and it is ssad that so many uninfomrmed people buy his garbage outright. change…… yeah right.

                • Andy

                  simon has been blogging at NQ for more than a year.

                  These are not “casual associations” These are the netwok of Obama’s allies that MADE him.

                  Look around Obama: who else was there besides all these troubling and disgraceful characters?

                  You have to be a rabid Obama partisan ( which has NOTHING TO DO with BEING A DEMOCRAT) to justify and be blind to all of them.

                  I am a DEMOCRAT who is deeply offended and troubled by Obama. It is shameful.

                • Andy

                  simon has been blogging at NQ for more than a year.

                  These are not “casual associations” These are the network of Obama’s allies that MADE him.

                  Look around Obama: who else was there besides all these troubling and disgraceful characters?

                  You have to be a rabid Obama partisan ( which has NOTHING TO DO with BEING A DEMOCRAT) to justify and be blind to all of them.

                  I am a DEMOCRAT who is deeply offended and troubled by Obama. It is shameful.

                  • ame

                    I was a Democrat; they lost me.

            • goldengrahme

              Excuse me for butting in; however, I also
              was soon on the track of pointing out Obama negatives. And got shot down over at OPEDNEWS for my trouble; they were actually defending Ayres–way back in Feb. It never ceases to amaze how convoluted the rebuttals were. But that happens when you are inventing narratives out of thin air.

              The only reason BO is still standing is because the MSM is bought off and cowed by the real prower brokers who have tapped Barack for whatever their nefarious purpose.

              It would be fascinating, were his holiness,
              Obama to lose the election (I can dream, can’t I?)–will his devotees begin riots and burn down major cities? How would all those aging ’60s anarchists spin it? How would the latte set cope, defend the ensuing martial law? They will be the first ones to head for the hills or Canada. Big talkers always are….

          • Adam B.

            Actually, I’ve spent the past three years of my life investigating them.

            • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

              Adam, I am personally acquainted with a number of the people involved in AAAN. Of COURSE they have no links to terrorism.

              The thing is, though, that as you probably know, Zionist groups hate them and are constantly accusing them of all kinds of horrible things because of their attempts to integrate Arab Americans with other American communities, and bring the Arab, and particularly the Palestinian narrative in front of Americans, thus displacing the Zionist version of things that has dominated American thinking for nearly a century. They would not be so “dangerous” of course, except that their leadership includes some of the most active and powerfully effective voices for the Arab/Palestinian point of view.

              It is interesting, isn’t it, how Simon and his alter ego, Mike Howell, manage to smear both Obama and Arabs at once while managing to sound relatively reasonable.

              • Cee

                It is interesting, isn’t it, how Simon and his alter ego, Mike Howell, manage to smear both Obama and Arabs at once while managing to sound relatively reasonable.

                I doubt that either one plan to vote for ANY Democrat.

                Anyway…back the serious. The Zionist knuckleheads at DEBKA are plotting against us

                Syria vows to strike back at Israel for Imad Mughniyeh’s killing in Damascus and “repeated encroachments”
                Posted by Matt in February 15th, 2008

                DEBKAfile’s

                military sources report: Thursday night, Feb. 14, Syrian officials fanned out among Arab broadcasting stations with a warning: Damascus will attack Israel shortly following a decision by Syrian leaders to end its policy of restraint against its territorial violations.

                Israeli land, sea, air and homeland defense units were earlier ordered to prepare to defend the country’s northern borders against attacks by Hizballah, including rocket strikes, and Syria. Reinforcements were rushed to the north.

                Israel has received a stream of intelligence confirmations that Iran, Syria and Hizballah have determined not to let Mughniyeh’s death pass without an immediate response. They are working together to mount a revenge operation.

                http://www.1913intel.com/2008/02/15/syria-vows-to-strike-back-at-israel-for-imad-mughniyeh%E2%80%99s-killing-in-damascus-and-repeated-encroachments/

                • CK

                  @ cee
                  Some things are a fixture on every website, discussion group, chat room, nntp newsgroup, email list.
                  http://tantek.pbwiki.com/TrollTaxonomy

                  I find myself in there multiple times but modesty and concern prevent me from blowing my all knowing horn.

                  • Cee

                    I checked. Mine isn’t there.

                  • TeakWoodKite

                    “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all trolls are created equally”…

                    That link is a study in human physcology.

                    How many tines does a salad fork have?

                    http://www.albion.com/bookNetiquette/

                • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

                  “Syria vows to strike back at Israel for Imad Mughniyeh’s killing in Damascus and “repeated encroachments””

                  1. Oh yeah, Syria is going to attack Israel for the murder of Mughniya – I’m sooooo sherrrrrrrrr! Bashar Al Asad, who is in fact relatively quite moderate, has suddenly developed a death wish even his father did not entertain!

                  2. Aside from its 100% illegal and illegitimate occupation, colonization of, and theft of resources from the Golan Heights (which Israel systematically ethnically cleansed in 1967 of 95% of its Syrian population), I am not aware that Israel has been encroaching on Syria’s territory nearly as much as it does on Lebanese territory.

                  Its violations of Lebanese territory both by air and land take place multiple times a week, sometimes multiple times a day, and are unprovoked and often deadly to civilians. They often deliberately terrorize Lebanese population centers with sonic booms and such.

                  • goldengrahme

                    Don’t let anti-Israel types turn this into a referendum on Muslim/Jewish issues. There are numerous boards and sites addressing that unsolvable question. It’s been going on in modern history for 60 years and in ancient history since the advent of Mohammed.

                    To think that the Prophet’s faithful are a benign force is to live in a world of illusion. Israel is simply implementing what societies have always sought–expansion of territory.

                    Seems a simple peace treaty might solve their mutual dilemma: a two-state solution, a no-return clause and suspension of armed assaults on one other. Israel would, IMO, cede some “occupied” (I thought
                    in war conquered land belonged to the victor) territories where strategically expedient but not so much as to be
                    politically untenable. Who you gonna call? Hezballah?

              • Mike Howell

                shirin –

                When did I mention Arabs? Get a grip!

                Barack Hussein Obama is the one running around saying he’s not a muslim. Barack Hussein Obama has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on ads saying he isn’t muslim. Since he decided to run for President. I think it’s creepy.

                Obama doesn’t need me to smear him. The Republicans will cut him to ribbons with the truth about his unsavory actions.

                I could never vote for any candidate that asked someone under investigation for kickback schemes for a mansion like Barack Hussein Obama did with Rezko.

                Barack Hussein Obama wanted a mansion so he didn’t help his constituents when they went without heat.

                • Gloria

                  His office also dragged its heels on predatory lending…acquaintance tried to get help and was ignored….

                  • simon

                    His office also dragged its heels on predatory lending…acquaintance tried to get help and was ignored….

                    What was this in regard to?

                • s. hall

                  We have a double standard here. Hillary sneezes–alert the media. Obama runs the most sleezy campaign in history–he is an articulate man who inspires people.

              • Andy

                “Adam, I am personally acquainted with a number of the people involved in AAAN. Of COURSE they have no links to terrorism.”

                And Obama had no idea Wright spewed anti-american and anti-white garbage

            • simon
          • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

            “Have you researched the groups targeted by the FBI, after 9.11…”

            Yeah, you know, the Palestinian Christian family that owned a very good and popular little Mediterranean deli not far from my house were surveilled and harassed so much by the FBI after 9/11 that after two years they finally couldn’t take it anymore, and sold their business to a Mexican guy (needless to say, the food has not been quite the same since, though the new owner does try). Their teenaged sons, who all went to school, got good grades, and worked regularly at the store were followed and questioned. They were literally asked by the FBI why so many people kept going into the back of the store and then coming back out again. Ummmmm – ’cause that’s where the bathroom is? Maybe? Ya THINK?!

            So, being targeted by the FBI or anyone else after 9/11 simply means that you committed the crime of being in the United States After 9/11 While Being Arab.

            And heaven help you if you had any kind of history of activism!

            • Mike Howell

              shoephone/Shirin –

              You make NO sense! Your stupid story “Yeah, you know, the Palestinian Christian family that owned a very good and popular little Mediterranean deli not far from my house were surveilled and harassed so much by the FBI after 9/11 that after two years they finally couldn’t take it anymore, and sold their business to a Mexican guy (needless to say, the food has not been quite the same since, though the new owner does try).”

              There are mob restaurants that I’m sure Urkle Hussein Obama is familiar with that have been around forever, even under constant FBI surveillance, so I have a whole lot of trouble with your story.

              Are you sure that it wasn’t the health code inspector? Maybe that’s why they had to close?

              Maybe they wanted to get away from you?

              And screw your bullshit against Mexicans.

            • simon

              You didn’t answer my question, shirin? you’re just spooling.

              I mean, discuss the issues, instead of creating strawmen to discredit, you look silly, can’t you tell, or do you think this type of troll tactic is still effective?

              Not a very interesting read, and you’ve put out your portfolio, MO.

              All that spool, and Obama is STILL connected to Auchi, and Rezko.

              Wow.

              All that work for nothing.

        • Hope

          Entity – BULLSHIT!

        • Objective Analysis

          To Adam B. (Obama supporter implant)

          I am a lawyer like Obama is. He is deemed to know as a lawyer someone’s reputation (what their acts are in the community). Khalid and Ayers met Obama in NY and specifically sent him to Chicago with training with ACORN and other socialist factions. That is a fact. This man is going down and that is a fact. This is the 2008 version of Nat Turner Rebellion and like 1968 radicals and Nat Turner Rebellion, Obama and his supporters will loose.

          The Manchurian candidate is going down, one way or the other.

      • Blue State Girl

        Adam B is a Kossack who drinks the Obama kool-aid undiluted. He is not a disinterested individual.

        • CK

          Very few disinterested observers left anywhere.
          Blog people appear to have decided which dog in the fight is theirs and which dogs must be poisoned.
          Larry is not what one would call a disinterested individual either. He’s got his oars in the water pulling as hard as he can for Senator Clinton. A bit Rovian about it but it is his blog. This latest effort is a bit subpar as is Susan’s that preceeded it. The next ones will be up to standard.

          • Andy

            What is wrong with not being disintersted or having a dog in the fight.

            IMOP only the mindless, the unaware or the unconcerned have no strong opinion.

            Its kind of like what the news media refer to as indepennants, defining them as people who hve not yet made up their minds. If you are not aware of what is going on yet, or have no opinion,then either you are unconcerned, uninformed or have no core values.

            Why would anyone want to talk to them?

        • John

          Blue State Girl – talk about calling the kettle black. Larry is essentially an adjunct of the Clinton campaign. Hardly a disinterested individual either.

          I find all this guilt by association perilously close to the kind of McCarthyism our country rejected years ago. I’m really sorry to see Larry waving this crap around as if it means anything.

          Meanwhile, Clinton can’t even run her campaign. Why do we think she’ll do better with the country?

          • Cee

            John,

            It was repeated here that Hillary thinks that Fox news treats her better than any other network.

            I wonder what she would have to say out this idiotic bs!

            Fox News Radio’s Tom Sullivan aired “side-by-side comparison” of speeches by Hitler and Obama
            Summary: Fox News Radio host Tom Sullivan took a call from a listener who stated that when listening to Barack Obama speak, “it harkens back to when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with Hitler, how he would excite the crowd and they’d come to their feet and scream and yell.” Sullivan then played a “side-by-side comparison” of a Hitler speech and an Obama speech. Sullivan mimicked the crowd during both speeches, yelling, “Yay! Yay!” When a later caller complained that Sullivan was “denigrating” Obama with the comparison, Sullivan said he wouldn’t play it again, then begged: “Can I, please, one more time? Just one more time? Then I won’t do it again. … Until the next time.”
            http://mediamatters.org/items/200802130016?f=h_latest

          • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

            “I find all this guilt by association perilously close to the kind of McCarthyism our country rejected years ago.”

            Are you now, or have you ever walked by a mosque?

            By the way, I just can’t WAIT to go through Customs, Homeland Security, etc. when I return in May after spending a month in Syria. It was annoyingly silly (including sexist stuff like “what does your husband do for a living?”, “I don’t have a husband”, “OK, what does your ex husband do for a living?”, “why do you assume I have an ex husband?”, “OK, well, if you HAD a husband or an ex husband, what would be do for a living?”) but mild when I came back from Pakistan and `Oman a year or so ago, but from what I am hearing it’s gotten worse.

            “I’m really sorry to see Larry waving this crap around as if it means anything.”

            Disappointing and embarrassing are two words that have come to mind.

          • s. hall

            When someone with no record is running for President isn’t it important to know what he stands for? If you are with someone who murders someone you can be tried for murder too.

            Seems like Obama likes to hang with radicals. His Minister worked with Louis Farakan, for example. You may not want to hear your idol has feet of clay but alot of us do. Its our country too.

        • christian aaron

          yeah…. i guess i won’t be returning to this site until after the nominee is selected then. Larry and this blog was a breath of fresh air for a long time, and was a credible voice of reason from someone who has moderate political views. something we deparately need, though i’m quite progressive. now, apparently not unlike DKos and Hillary bashing, anyone who supports Obama has “drunk the coolaid” and “can’t think for themselves” and has “succumbed to the cult”. you folks sicken me. i keep telling everyone that i’m a progressive when i’m actually a ratonalist. if the right wing had any evidence whatsoever that supply side economics worked – for the MAJORITY, i’d be all for it, just as if there were any evidence that Communism (the economic structure) worked, i’d be all for it. i’m an evidence based rationalist. i’ll be honest, i don’t see the solid evidence for any of these ties to terrorism…. on the other side, referring to Hillary, are we to take what her husband did at all in account when deciding for or against? Bill Clinton was the best Republican president we have ever had. we’re still trying to sort out the crazy mess that is NAFTA, and the Telecommunications Act of 1996 has given us a political discourse worthy of the Pravda comparison.

          so this is my own little GBCW message to you all. i’m perfectly willing to entertain any evidence anyone has regarding ties to terrorism. i haven’t seen a thing here.

          i’ll be back when the topics of conversation turn to things we KNOW (remember when Larry was trying to get everyone to admit Plame was covert? ya’ know, FACTS like that), or things we can rationally debate. Obama’s ties to terrorism vs. Clinton murdering Vince Foster is what i’m getting here…..

          see ya’

          • Mike Howell

            christian aaron –

            Don’t go. You’ll get fat or sick or something. Plus, I like the way you debate.

          • simon

            so this is my own little GBCW message to you all. i’m perfectly willing to entertain any evidence anyone has regarding ties to terrorism. i haven’t seen a thing here.

            The you haven’t been reading.

            Who makes money off terrorism, and how?

            Who facilitates the sale of US weapons systems, and who profits?

      • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

        Oh yeah, Simon! I have been waiting for you to start with “Obama did 9/11″. You’ve been transparently building up to it for a while now.

        You go, Simon! Yeah! Obama did 9/11! Obama did 9/11! Obama did 9/11!

        GAWD!

        • simon

          No no shirin, YOU did 9.11.

          The NSA trained you as a Manchurian candidate, erasing your memory.

          You have no knowledge of your actions, shirin, I’m sorry.

          Now go get me a beer.

      • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

        “What I found interesting, though, is Ayers and Obama’s connections to the Arab American Action Network.”

        Oh yes! That well-known terrorist money laundering group the Arab American Action Network! Well, as you know, Simon, any group with Arab in its name has GOT to have SOMETHING to do with terrorism, right? Therefore, if Obama knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who is in any way affiliated with any organization with Arab in its name, why that just proves that he is connected with terrorism – or worse!

        And the Arab American Action Network, of ALL THINGS! Just LOOK at their mission statement:

        “The Arab American Action Network (AAAN) is a grassroots, community-based organization that seeks to empower Chicago area Arab immigrants and Arab Americans through the combined strategies of community organizing, advocacy, education and social services, leadership development, and forging productive relationships with other communities. The AAAN works to improve the quality of life of Arab Americans by building our community’s capacity to be an active agent for positive social change.”

        They have STRATEGIES, Simon! STRATEGIES! And not just strategies, but strategies for SOCIAL CHANGE – now, you KNOW what THAT means, Simon!

        And you think maybe Obama knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who might have a relative who met someone who walked by the AAAN office once?! You are definitely ONTO something here, Simon! OMG, Simon! Obama is clearly part of one of their STRATEGIES! And this dangerous man, who is affiliated with this obviously dangerous organization is actually running for President?! Say it isn’t so, Simon, say it isn’t so!!!!!!!

        And to make matter worse, here is a description of one of their community projects:

        “A program created to assist children excel in their school work and become a productive part of their communities. We are located in a neighborhood where many Arabs reside and so we do serve many of them.”

        Oh nooooooo! This is AWFUL! Helping kids to excel in school and become productive community members! For sure, their real goal is to recruit them to be suicide bombers – and now it seems they’re not just targeting Arab kids. It sounds like they’re casting a very wide net here, and targeting good, red-blooded white Euro-American kids for their dastardly plans! I don’t care HOW many degrees of separation Obama has from this horrible gang of mass murderers, he needs to be in prison, not running for President!

        And look, at THIS incriminating paragraph from a report on National Arab American Service Day, 2005 (Arab American SERVICE DAY?!! Don’t they mean Arab American TERRORISM MONEY LAUNDERING day?):

        “At another Chicago site, the Arab American Action Network cleaned up the grounds of a hospice equipped to give comfort and medical care to small children with serious illnesses.”

        You know, I remember seeing a photo of that, and in that photo I saw one black man working along with them. I’ll bet he knew someone who knew someone who donated to Obama’s campaign! There you have it! Obama is definitely in bed with this Arab (and clearly, therefore, very dangerous) organization, and receiving laundered terrorist money from them. Why, he might have received as much as $200 from them!

        OMG! And look at THIS!!!!!

        “Respected community members and workers in the Arab-American community gathered at the Arab-American Action Network (AAAN) office on the Southside of Chicago on Sept. 13 to discuss domestic violence, a pressing matter that seems to be growing within the burgeoning community. Although this issue has been addressed by various mosques and organizations throughout the community, it has never been dealt with on a larger scale: the entire community working together to eradicate the problem and to provide help for families facing such situations.”

        Look, it’s OBVIOUS what this “domestic violence” meeting was REALLY about!

        “…community members and workers in the Arab-American community gathered at the Arab-American Action Network (AAAN) office on the Southside of Chicago on Sept. 13 to discuss…violence…on a larger scale: the entire community working together…”

        And it also says that “this issue has been addressed by various mosques…throughout the community“. Well, we ALL know what THAT means, don’t we, Simon!

        And now they’re meeting openly to discuss committing terrorism in America on a LARGER SCALE!

        You know, Simon, we should all thank you for helping us to connect Obama to this terribly, terribly dangerous organization. And how shocking is it that this Arab-American Action Network is actually operating openly in OUR COMMUNITIES, and even having ARTICLES written about its activities while both this obviously dangerous group and its guiding light and main contributor Barak HUSSEIN Obama are walking around free men (only men, of course, because as we know, Arabs keep their women locked up or behind veils at all times).

        • simon

          Truth?

          Usual PR onslaught to discredit, you’ve done nothing to address my concerns, though, just trying to throw doubt on them, and not well.

          One, there is enough press now to verify what I have written, so your attempts at intimidation are 90′s Rovian crap. Without a cooperative press, you’re sunk, you should be able to gauge that factor before you choose a method of retribution. All situations are fluid, apparently this stupid krew, and other light guys, missed this? This is OLD SCHOOL shit, and you’ve showed me you attack by template, you’re uninformed, and do not recognize how you’re being played.

          And I did manage to throw you into more internal chaos.

          Secondly, I wouldn’t even use your work as toilet paper, it’s so poorly reasoned, which explains the support for Obama. Cmon, no smart guys? Oh, yeah..

          So, see, it never goes away.

          You just don’t know who your enemy is, do you?

          And next they step up to aggression, with groups of this sort, some will, after a period of time, go to violence, targeted physical intimidation, ie, you might find your tires slit, or your business blown up. Or your family harassed, and we ALL have families, right?

          Which is the troll.

          Cmere, tool…

          Again this is the group who supports Obama, and other middle east terror enablers.

          heh.

          Otherwise I would ignore it, what I’m writing is true, verified by the papers, Fitzgerald, it’s there. He’s trying to draw me into an passive aggressive fight, and depending on HOW you want to play him, you either ignore it, or engage.

          Also, notice how the troll is filling in the blanks: Obama connected to 9.11? Well, no, but I’ll look, sounds insane, but you said it not me.

          Unless it was an attempt at absurdity, and it turns out to be true. Oh, the irony!

          Otherwise, he’s just an insipid bore, there is NOTHING new or creative or even freshhhhh here, why bother? A minor wannabe.

          You wouldn’t give these guys a second thought, they’re not smart, look at the PR technique they use, look at how they reason, the idea of A Clockwork Orange is a myth.

          Who ya fighting?

          And they will come back, revealing the same old shit they always did, let them spin, and then you control them.

          This type of PR hurts our country, in the end, people who tell the truth about corrupt politicians should not be intimidated by such poor reasoning trash, whether it’s this guy, or Rove, manning the tubes for a 160,000 a year..

          They’re stupid, they hurt the country, and they allow the most mediocre to flourish, ie Obama.
          This isnt’ an open discussion, this is PR technique, c. 1995.

          • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

            Shirin supports Obama? Since when?

            You are truly a dunce. But since you’ve only been trolling here for the last three weeks you obviously have no clue as to who, or what, Shirin supports.

            • simon

              I read minds, I purged his subconscious, didn’t I tell you?

              Oh, wait that would be cheating, ok…

              …hmm, I guess it’s something only the literate understand.

              Inference from text. And yes, Shirin uses a PR technique, and so do you, to say as an absolute, Shirn does not support Obama because Shirin said so would not be correct, in terms of his rhetoric, he does support Obama.

              It’s like a simple game of double dutch, with you, boring as child, for me, too.

              But you do reveal your thought process, your lack of ability to understand the arguments, weak deflection, and I thank you.

              And again, reflective of “making your own reality” shirin may start to believe this simple technique protects him, but in a court of law, it wouldn’t. I mean, Shirin may think he has control, but he doesn’t.

              Perhaps you can ask University of Chicago trained Alan B, he’s a legal genius, taught by the equally brilliant constitutional law professor, Odama.

              Anyway, you operate from a base of simplistic reasoning, bottom line, why you think your simple statements would work, I don’t know.

              Right?

              It’s simply a matter of articulating and refuting your reasoning.

              Without a complicit press, you just look stupid, a non intellectual, light as air, just like Obama, Britney Spears, pure pop for now people.

              An incredibly shitty foundation by which to commit crime, btw, to win an election, it’s Cheney and Rove, too.

          • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

            Here’s the thing, Simon. You have never once provided a suggestion of a scintilla of ANYTHING to support anything you have put here. All you have is speculation-based innuendo, most of it very far-fetched.

            I DO admire, however, the way you manage to simultaneously smear both Obama and Arabs. Two birds with one turd! Very skillful indeed!

            Here’s the other thing, Simon. I am pretty well connected in the Arab community, and happen to know some of the founders and board members of AAAN whom you are libeling so freely today. Some of them are, in fact, very well known and respected Arab-Americans. Does the name Dr. Rashid Khalidi ring a bell with anyone?

            So, Simon, pardon me if I do not take you seriously, and if I point out to you and to others here that you are pulling all this stuff out of your southern region.

            And finally, let me repeat that if you can’t find enough real, verifiable, documentable stuff in Obama’s real record, then you are not trying hard enough. I found enough very early on to convince me that I did not want him as President, and I didn’t really have to work all that hard at it. It was right there in front of me.

        • simon

          Shrin, chill dude, you’re foaming.

          I said I think Obama is a terrorist enabler, I’m sure the folks of the AAAN are as wholesome as the republican party.

          Relax, dude.

          And don’t be such a racist, stop accusing all mosques of terrorist activity, Shirin.

          • simon

            Shirin and shoephone were attempting to throw the blog into chaos, IMO.

            How would one play this as a strategy in the middle east, say, shoephone launching an asymmetric attack, and me countering?

            Well, how do I view Adam B as a lawyer?

            I don’t think much of him, no matter how many lawsuits he files, he’s just doesn’t strike me as smart, or mature, or particularly insightful, and this maybe a soft spot with him.

            It would bother the child in him, the one that makes him love Obama, unconditionally, the one that makes him pose as a player, when he isn’t, and I’ve got a hook.

        • Nellie

          Shirin,

          I strongly admire your strong sense of fairness. And I completely agree with you, that being Arab or Muslim or anyone else in the United States, should NEVER be cause for harassment, invasion of privacy or false charges. Frankly the constant shilling about “Islamofacistis” which brings about Hate crimes sickens me.

          What I fail to understand is WHY you support Obama. In 2004, for his Senate Campaign, Obama received almost $91,000 from Pro- Israeli Lobbies (AIPAC). History shows Obama ALWAYS returns favor to his larger donors.

          http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.asp?Ind=Q05&cycle=2004&recipdetail=S&Mem=N&sortorder=U

          During the Israeli/Lebanese War, which I hope everyone here knows was started by Israel, Obama voted AGAINST a cease fire, which Lebanon was requesting. Obama stated his reason thus:

          Like most congressional Democrats, he bowed before the Israeli war machine and praised the IDF’s brazen aggression in Lebanon, going so far as to visit northern Israel during the war in a show of support. He opposed a cease-fire – ‘I don’t fault Israel for wanting to rid their border with Lebanon from those Katyusha missiles that can fire in and harm Israeli citizens, so I think that any cease-fire would have to be premised on the removal of those missiles…”

          http://joesschool.blogs.com/olsononline/2006/12/is_barack_obama.html

          And, Obama did indeed visit the town of Fassouta in Northern Israel in Janaury 2006.

          http://obama.senate.gov/news/060111-obama_visits_re/index.php

          Most recently Obama received his AIPAC stamp of approval by writing to the American Ambassador at the UN
          http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2008/01/obamas-israel-shuffle.html

          Barack Obama became the first major candidate to break the silence on the situation in Gaza, he didn’t criticize Israel, whose blockade of a civilian population has been roundly condemned by human rights organizations, nor did he call for restraint from the United States’ top ally in the Mideast. Instead, he fired off a letter to U.N. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad with a resounding message—one that could have been mistaken for words straight from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s (AIPAC) website. “The Security Council should clearly and unequivocally condemn the rocket attacks against Israel.… If it cannot…I urge you to ensure that it does not speak at all,” Obama wrote, adding he understood why Israel was “forced” to shut down Gaza’s border crossings

          The only Muslims Obama supports are his family and cousin Odinga in Kenya. He definitely does not support Mid Easterners, or the Arabs. Obama continuously praises troops for ALL they do in Iraq, and yet:

          http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=13396

          Many of fifty U.S. occupation veterans interviewed by Hedges and Al-Arian have “returned home deeply disturbed by the disparity between the reality of the war and the way it is portrayed by the U.S. government and media.” By returning GIs’ account, the war on the ground includes the gratuitous killing and torture of Iraqi civilians, including children. The invasion involves the routine “indiscriminate” application of U.S. force and numerous “disturbing patterns of behavior by American troops.”

          Numerous veterans “described reckless firing once they left their compounds. Some shot holes into cans of gasoline being sold along the roadside and then tossed grenades into the pools of gas to set them ablaze. Others opened fire on children. These shootings often enraged Iraqi witnesses.”

          Obama wants the U.S. to

          “focus our attention and influence on the festering conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians — a task that the Bush administration neglected for years. “Our starting point,” Obama says, “must always be a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel, our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy.”

          Obama also has no problem bombing Iran and told CNN he considered it the most dangerous place on earth. However, Military and Intelligence officials agree that Pakistan, with its nuclear weapons, is the most dangerous place on earth. Glen Ford of Znet states

          https://zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/14756 (Just hit the link to go on through – no damage I have been there several times)

          The Senator from Illinois masquerades as a “peace candidate” – and then proposes the Americans invade Pakistan, the only Muslim nation that has The Bomb. After the U.S. has propped up the military regime for generations, and stunted democracy in a country of 165 million, Obama now thinks he can just walk into western Pakistan – Waziristan – to find and kill Osama bin Ladin. In the process, he would unite all of the Right and the Left opposition to the government in Islamabad, and give the generals no choice but to brandish The Bomb. Obama wants to add 100,000 new troops to the U.S. military. Now we know where they will be going: Waziristan, a place from Hell

          .

          So I sincerely ask again, what are your reasons for supporting Obama? He seems to be against everything you stand for.

          • Cee

            Nellie,

            I know this was directed to Shirin but she doesn’t support Obama.

            I do in spite of all that you listed.

            Hillary takes the same stance. Why do you support her?

            • Nellie

              Cee

              Hillary’s votes are similar, but she does not make a lot of waves – which leaves the door open for diplomacy.

              Obama seems to love the sound of his own rhetoric and does not think – judgment issue.

              Actually, I would rather have had John Edwards be the nominee.

              Obama’s ideas on bombing Iran and Pakistan terrify me. I have a grandson who is at “draft age”. Hillary is NOt promising to increase troops by 100,000. How is Obama going to do that without a draft?

              • Cee

                Nellie,

                I wanted Feingold but I’m working with who I have.

                I disagree with you on Hillary. I don’t trust her. She said she wouldn’t negotiate without pre-conditions and that those same negotiations would be used for propaganda purposes. I guess she took a poll and later said she would negotiate.

                She also recently went on to say that Putin had no soul! How helpful is this?

                Of course he fired back.

                This is not the head of state I want.

              • Cee

                Nellie,

                Sorry I missed commenting on Pakistan.

                His statement on that was disturbing. I hope the people around him will give him better advise.

              • shirin

                “Obama’s ideas on bombing Iran and Pakistan terrify me.”

                Me too, and so to Hillary’s ideas about bombing Iran, and the fact that she says nukes are on the table is a deal breaker for me.

                Hillary has never met a military action she did not support. She considers military violence a valid tool of foreign policy. She has said she considers it an option to bomb Iran to “bring them into line” (or words to that effect). That is not acceptable. Military force should be reserved for defense, not to “bring into line” a country that is not, in any case, out of line. Iran is not doing anything with its nuclear program that it does not have every right to do, and in general it is not doing anything that other states, including the United States do not do even more of.

                “Hillary is NOt promising to increase troops by 100,000.”

                Oh, but she is! I have not heard a number from her, but she has stated clearly her intention to increase the size and the budget of the military!

                “How is Obama going to do that without a draft?”

                Good question! Another question is how is HILLARY going to do it without a draft.

                And an even more important question is for what purpose do they both want a larger military? The United States has not needed or used its military for defense (the only legitimate purpose of a military) in how many decades now?

          • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

            This is really too boring.

            Anyone who has been reading and posting here for any length of time knows full well that Shirin does not support either Obama or Clinton. She sees them as virtually the same on foreign policy matters(her number one issue) and has said so many, many times.

            But since this site has been hijacked by trolls the serious, respectful converstations that used to take place here have disappeared.

          • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

            Nellie, I do not support Obama, I have never supported Obama, and I will never support Obama. I have been making that clear for months, and have given some of my reasons, which are based on a combination of his record as an elected official and his stated positions on issues that are most important to me. Maybe you missed all that, or maybe you forgot about it in all the hysteria that has overtaken this site in the last weeks, but it’s all here.

            I also do not support Hillary, and for some of the same reasons, because when it comes to my priorities there is not enough difference between them to matter.

            I was not an Edwards supporter per se, but had decided that I could give him my vote without throwing up, so I voted for him in the primary, even though he had already withdrawn.

            Please do not mistake my dislike for the kind of witch hunt/tabloid rubbish that we are seeing for Obama support. I have, by the way, responded in the same way when I saw crap here about Hillary.

            The whole business is completely appalling, and is eroding my respect for some of the people I had thought were serious and sophisticated about political matters. On the up side, I now have considerably more respect for my own ability to take a reasonable, rational approach.

            • Nellie

              Thank you for responding. I have bad days in which I have to take too many meds, and it clouds my recollections.

              I believe I was referring back to a conversation you were having with Mr. Murder and Simon about Auchi.

              I know its a few days later – but some days I simply am not able to do coherent long posts.

              By the way – I am not crazy about the foreign policy from either candidate.

              I have downgraded to who is the sanest and leaast likely to get us blown up in that area.

              On Domestic Policy that is important to me, Social Security, Education, Health Care and the Economy – Hillary is way ahead of Obama.

              I also voted for Edwards in the Primary in NH.

              Obama’s lack of honesty and some of his campaign Shenanigans disturb me. I will not vote for him if he is the nominee.

              Hillary at least I feel will do much on Healthcare and other domestic issues.

              Guess I am saying which will give me as close to half a loaf as possible.

              • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

                Nellie, I am sorry for your health problems. I hope they are temporary, and wish you a full recovery.

                I can understand people supporting Hillary when they have rational reasons for doing so, as it seems you do.

                “I will not vote for him if he is the nominee.”

                Well, then, whom WILL you vote for?

                The conversation about Auchi was a defense of reason, not of Obama.

                • Nellie

                  At this point I will either wirte in Edwards name, or leave it blank if Obama is the nominee.

                  • shirin

                    I plan to do something similar no matter who is the candidate – either write in someone (maybe Edwards), or vote for a third party candidate.

          • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

            Thanks, Cee and Shoephone.

            Seriously, this place is going downhill rapidly starting with the main page. I used to read most of the items on the main page, and found the discussions stimulating, if at times frustrating. Now I mostly just look at the headlines, roll my eyes and move on, and the discussions are getting less and less interesting, perhaps in part because some of the more interesting people are bowing out.

            (That was not about you, Nellie – you are not part of the problem.)

          • simon

            The only Muslims Obama supports are his family and cousin Odinga in Kenya.

            I would disagree with this, nelly.

            First, I would explore Obama’s relationships to Rezko, and the Arab American groups which held fundraisers for him.

            I would then ask those who have dealt with him, unguarded, what his true stated view on the Middle East is. You’re essentially painting a picture of Obama as Richard Perle, the neocon. On the one hand, he decries the terrorism aimed at Israeli citizens, and rightly so, but on the other, there are implications, even through Sybil Edmonds, he deals in illegal “shoes,” selling American “shoes” to those who would hurt Israel.

            You appear to be thinking in analogue, if Obama supports Israel, Obama cannot be a traitor, a terrorist enabler, another propaganda technique, a false analogy. Your words appear to question Shirin’s support, but you make the case Obama cannot possibly be attached to Rezko, and Hezbollah, say.

            So I have to doubt your credibility, as a two step process of sorts, your analogy is specious, rather facile.

            • TeakwoodKite

              Simon:uh?
              You appear to be thinking in analogue,
              As opposed to Digitially?

              Sequentially?

              • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

                TWK, for the first time in my life, I have recognized a troll when I saw one (it took me long enough). I, for one, am going to stop feeding Simon/Mike Howell, if only because they have become boring. I invite others to do the same.

                • TeakwoodKite

                  Even Shrek has something of interest to share. Is there such a thing a “Noble” troll?

                  You and Shoephone however are most certianly not the same person.

                  Niether are Simon and Mike Howell the same person… a schizophrenic troll?

                  Sounds like a study in troll anthropology would be a good Doctoral dissertation or maybe a play off off broadway…

                  I don’t assume anything or “Know” more than that which hath been revealed of the person behind the post. Words matter.

                  Thanks for the invitation Shirin;
                  Anatomy of a Troll at 11:00
                  “A Day Without a MexicanTroll” midnight movie

              • simon

                Black/white, either/or.

                Our level of intellect is related, ultimately, to how many relationships we can see between two symbols, say, relevant to deconstructivist theory, or the interval between 0 and 1, which is infinity, IMO. The more disparate relationships we can unify, see, articulate, and prove the more intelligent we are perceived to be, whether it be in the humanities, or the sciences.

                So, there are an infinite number of relationships between any two objects, the greater number we see, the more likely we are to understand and manipulate our environment, say, all other factors being equal.

                Most of us are brought up to think in terms of opposites, analogue, ONE set of fact, one meaning, black and white, if something is cold, it cannot be hot. But between those distinctions, there are numerous relationships, digital, say, the difference between 0 and 1, infinity. We aren’t taught to look for or articulate these relationships, limiting the mind, and the intellect in terms of defining our environment, and ourselves.

                Just because we can’t see it or understand it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, if one were to think of quantum mechanics, and how little we really know about the physical world, that’s about the best analogy I can think of. But the relationships are there, none the less.

                • TeakWoodKite

                  Respectfully:
                  The more disparate relationships we can unify, see, articulate, and prove the more intelligent we are perceived to be

                  Intelligence is independent of perception.

                  At times, reality requires us to entertain the duality of incongruent relationships concurrently ; (UUG) (THUD)

                  Just because we can’t see it or understand it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
                  The zen of intelligence? or just a leap of faith?

                  As I see it, one of the biggest challenges of this century is in assimilating the ever increasing “body of knowledge”. which arrive at geometrically increasing velocities. One effect appears to drive one toward emotional frames of reference to compenate for the inability to process “information”.

                  Put another way ;Einstein’s barber knew Einstein was an idiot for leaving in the middle of a hair cut. Both men possessed intelligence.

            • Nellie

              Simon,

              I am thinking two dimensionally.

              Where we differ is that I believe Rezko et al, have been assimilated and are more American than otherwise.

              Also, I do not automatically assume Muslim groups are terrorist groups – to me that is Cheney-Bush B/S. I am old enough to remember when Catholics were thought to sit quitely and wait for the pope to give answers.

              As a result of a large foreign student population, I have seen the beauty of ALL religions, and do not automatically assume the worst. In fact because of my help in getting college facilites for the Major Eid (sp a problem tonight), the Iman took a bunch of others with him to NYC and they spent 3 days scouring the city for a Quaran that was “technically correct in English”.

              I was invited to the next all Male Friday Prayer, and given a beautiful Batik scarf to wear. There, after the sermon in English, the participants presented me with the beautiful Quaran the students got in NYC.

              You know, my grandmother’s generation believed everything German was awful.

              I support the idea that Isreal has the right to exist within their 1967 borders. I absolutely do not support the radicalism of Zionism, the last two Isreali governments, and the terrible things they do – which, plainly speaking, are War Crimes.

              As far as AIPAC goes, it repesents a minute minorty of Jewish Americans, and I for one believe that ALL organizations who lobby for a foreign country should be regstered as foreign entities. I find the rationale that the members are American Citizens to be specious indeed. Frankly I find them overbearing to put it mildly. And if the word traitor is used, it applies to them and all the bought and paid for Public Officials in DC who put the interests of a foreign country BEFORE their oath to uphold the Constitution – which is the document for THIS country and OUR people.

              I am familiar enough with cultures from other countries to know that “different’ is not necessarily bad. Whether you know it or not, most citizens of the world want the same things we do; Security, the right to transcend class boundaries, freedom of expression, freedom to worship the God of their choice, freedom to take care of and provide for their families.

              And you obviously missed the whole point. Rezko is the one who has been indicted on swindling the Illinois teacher funds, and laundering through the Muslim Charity. Auchi and Rezko have ties – both are Muslims, Does that mean in America, all Christians are corrupt because two were sleazy? Further Obama was the Recipient of $10,000 of the swindled cash. It stretches credibilty that Obama did not know the origins of such a large donation.

              Some people give to charity because of something they know has helped someone. Do you remember when United Way was on the hot seat for having extraordinarily high Administrative costs? Does that mean everyone who contributed or worked for United Way was corrupt?

              I don’t not believe everything is either black or white, or broad brush painting of anything. I look at ALL details known – then make a judgment. Do I believe Obama is dirty – Yes. Is he connected to terrorism – I will wait until Patrick Fitgerald rolls out the facts. I have no interest in just throwing mud for the sake of seeing how much sticks.

              So like my ‘logic’ or not – that’s the way it is.

              • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

                “Auchi and Rezko have ties – both are Muslims”

                Supposedly Auchi is a Chaldean, which would make him a Christian who practices a variant of Catholicism (they are part of the Roman Catholic church, but have their own liturgy, and different sets of rules – for example, a married man can become a priest). Resko is surely a Christian as well. Antoin is a common name for Syrian and Lebanese Eastern Orthodox Christians, and virtually never used by Muslims.

                “Where we differ is that I believe Rezko et al, have been assimilated and are more American than otherwise.”

                May I gently ask, Nellie, why it makes a difference whether they are “more American” or “more something else”? I believe it is their character that matters, and as you clearly know, there are people of good character and people of bad character everywhere. Just wondering about that distinction and why you made it.

                • Nellie

                  I made the comment about assimilation because I firmly believe that Americans have been brain washed to think that anyone from the Middle East is NOT American, regardless of their citizenship. Anyone, even someone from another galaxy, would in all probabilty become assimilated – by that I mean adopt the mores of American culture. Just as you or I would assimilate the culture of Outer Mongolia if we spent enough years there. That was my point.

                  It certainly was not meant as a perjorative.

                  I realized Rezko was some form of Christian. I did not know about Auchi. Frankly I don’t really give a damn what anyone’s religion is. You are right it is CHARACTER that matters. However it seems most Americans, Simon included, make false assumptions about groups of people, without getting to know them one on one.

                  I was addressing Attorney Simon’s assumptions that 1. all Middle Easterners are automatically Muslims. 2. guilt by association comments.

                  Since Simon has now made a judgment from on high that I am functionally illiterate, I guess it is all a moot point.

                  • shirin

                    Nellie, thanks for the clarification.

                    Simon/Mike Howell is the first person whom I have identified as a troll. Either he is deadly ignorant, or he is playing games, or both. I would not take him too seriously.

                    • Star

                      shoephone/shurin et al –

                      Wow! Simon really hit a nerve. Good for him/her? Maybe now you’ll go to Kos where you can be with your other names.

          • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

            Nellie, you pointed out:

            “In 2004, for his Senate Campaign, Obama received almost $91,000 from Pro- Israeli Lobbies (AIPAC).”

            And how much money has Hillary taken from pro-Israeli lobbies? Did you check that?

            For your information Hillary has been one of Israel’s strongest and most consistent, and uncritical supporters, and is an AIPAC regular (as was Al Gore when he was into getting elected for stuff). She has supported Israel’s imprisonment and siege on the people of Ghazza, which, by the way, meets three of the criteria to qualify as genocidal. She supported Israel’s 2006 33 day death and destruction spree in Lebanon, in which they flattened critical infrastructure, and destroyed, among other things, schools and orphanages, refusing to allow in equipment needed to rescue children and staff who were trapped in the basement, which in at least one case eventually became their tomb – what a lovely, slow, agonizing death they must have had!

            And at the same time that Israel was entombing children and adults in the basements of orphanages, and ordering people to evacuate their villages so they could bomb their homes and lives to rubble, then attacking and incinerating the columns of refugee men, women, and children as they fled, Hillary was making rousing speeches at pro-Israel rallies (see below).

            And then Israel saw fit to spend two days carpeting southern Lebanon with millions of cluster bomblets, attractive, deadly objects which will lie hidden or partially hidden for decades waiting for curious, unsuspecting children to pick them up, or for someone to step on them and be killed or have an arm or a leg blown off – the gift that keeps on killing. And Hillary has never had a word of criticism for any of this. On the contrary, in fact.

            So, maybe you ought to take a look at Hillary’s support from and for pro-Israel lobbies before you try to slime Obama with that brush.

            “History shows Obama ALWAYS returns favor to his larger donors.”

            And Hillary doesn’t return favours? I think her pro-Israel supporters, and her supporters from the military-industrial complex, might see it otherwise.

            “During the Israeli/Lebanese War, which I hope everyone here knows was started by Israel, Obama voted AGAINST a cease fire, which Lebanon was requesting.”

            I don’t recall a vote on a cease fire (it wasn’t up top the Senate anyway), but if there was one, how did Hillary Clinton vote?

            Here’s one of the things she was saying at a pro-Israel rally even as Israel was devastating Lebanon, and killing more than a thousand Lebanese civilians:

            “We will support [Israel’s] efforts to send a message to Hamas, Hezbollah, to the Syrians, to the Iranians, to all who seek death and domination instead of life and freedom”.

            How is that different from Obama’s statements?

            “Obama received his AIPAC stamp of approval by writing to the American Ambassador at the UN”

            Hillary has had her AIPAC stamp of approval for years and years. She has been a staunch and unflinching supporter of anything Israel does.

            “Barack Obama became the first major candidate to break the silence on the situation in Gaza, he didn’t criticize Israel…”

            You had better check Hillary’s record on this question before you try to slime Obama with it.

            “The only Muslims Obama supports are his family and cousin Odinga in Kenya.”

            Hillary has publicly humiliated New York Muslims who supported her and contributed to her Senate campaign. She delivered a very public slap in the face when she made a P.R. event out of returning their contributions after receiving “expressions of concern” from her pro-Israel supporters.

            “He definitely does not support Mid Easterners, or the Arabs.”

            And Hillary DOES?! That’s certainly news to Mid Easterners and Arabs!

            “Obama continuously praises troops for ALL they do in Iraq, and yet…”

            And how is Hillary different from this?

            More points:

            Obama thinks bombing Iran is a reasonable thing to do. Hillary takes it one step farther and says nuking Iran is on the table. The bottom line: Both of them think that military violence is a valid tool of foreign policy, and an acceptable means of forcing other countries to comply with the United States’ wishes.

            Obama says he wants to increase the military by 90-100,000 troops. Hillary says she wants to significantly increase both the size and the budget of the military. Why does the U.S. need a larger military if they both do not 1) plan to keep a significant number of troops in Iraq indefinitely, and 2) intend to at least be prepared to invade and occupy additional unwilling countries?

            Both of their Iraq “withdrawal” plans are really plans to continue the occupation at a level less visible, and therefore more “tolerable” to the American people. Hillary has stated her belief that the United States should continue its “military as well as political mission” in Iraq. She has described specific missions for which she believes troops will need to remain, including “preventing a failed state”, which is simply another way of saying continuing to try to control the political situation there in the United States’ (as opposed to the Iraqi peoples’) interest. She has also said troops will need to stay to keep Iran out of the picture – another way of saying that she will use military force, or threat of military force to maintain the United States’ domination in Iraq. Some of the missions she has described are combat missions, or will potentially involve combat. So, how is this better than Obama’s position?

            I could go on, but I think this gives you the idea.

            I hope, Nellie, that this helps to explain why I support neither Hillary nor Obama, and why I voted for Edwards in the primary even though he had already withdrawn as a candidate. Both are against everything I stand for.

            • Nellie

              Shirin,

              I certainly do understand your reasons for not supporting either candidate.

              On foreign policy, neither of us is getting what we want. I am tired so maybe I did not do a good job of explaining.

              On foreign poicy – both Candiates suck on the broad outlines. Hillary has ONLY 2 saving graces 1. She didn’t threaten to bomb Pakistan which has nukes, and as I am sure you know, A Q Kahn is loose and his network is intact. A stupid move like bombing Pakistan will blow up the entire Middle East – and without a doubt have adverse effects here. 2. Hillary did not arbitrarily send one of her advisors to some hot spot on the planet. Obama sinding Dick Morris to help his cousin, and Obama’s calls to his cousin – scare the hell out of me. Obama’s judgement is not good – he was way out of bounds on the Kenya fiasco.

              So HIllary being one or two degrees more sane is a tiny spark of hope that she will be more rationale. I am not expecting much.

              On the Docmestic side, which is important to me – Hillary I believe will do more and better.

              As to AIPAC – if you go to open secrets, you will see there are probably less than 10 Politicans who are not bought and paid for.
              Frankly I find it criminal that AIPAC has so much Power.

              You mentioned revolution in another comment. I for one would like to see a citizens vote on agenda items like eliminating Lobbyists from going into Federal Buildings, and a lot of other things. We could have our own “Rose” Revolution, if around two million of us went to DC, and went into All of the Offices and FIRED most of them – then called for new elections in 90 days, with candidates being publically funded, and equal time to be had on the Media.

              If you look at my answer to Simon below, I think you would see that my position on Israel, and the Middle East closely aligns with yours.

              Hopefully, I explained myself better this time.

              • shirin

                Thanks, Nellie. Yes, I think we are close to the same page on more things than not.

                What I like about Hillary’s health plan is that it will not force me to give up my employer-provided health insurance, which has worked out very well for me. I have a strong objection to the idea of forcing people to buy health care. I don’t think it is the government’s business.

      • Nellie

        Larry,

        You must have hit the nail on the head and be to very close to the truth. Of course, you probably already know that.

        Bloomberg is a well respected conservative and cautious publication, who would err on the side of NOT publishing, if they did not have strong substantiation.

        Add to that, Adam B, who is Adam Bonin, shows up to refute everything and anything using his favorite circular logic ploys. Adam Bonin is Markos ‘pro-bono’ lawyer.

        To give credit where due, Adam did a very credible job representing Markos and Duncan Black (Atrios) at the first FCC Public Hearing on Net Neutrality.

        Adam was also a student in “Professor Obama’s Constitutional Law Class” at University of Chicago (UC).

        I don’t understand why – but UC does seem to have the most radical graduates.

        Adam has a penchant for Radical Causes. He is very much a rabid Zioist, who has ‘justifications’ for the killing, maiming, starving and jailing of 8-10 year old Palestinian Children, and cruel treatment of Palestinian worman. Something I totally disagree as to the morality of.

        Adam is the premier leader of the Obamaphiles at Daily Kos. In fact he may be a a strong factor as to the reason why you couldn’t post a diary there yesterday.

        His zealousness allows no room for logic, or a real discussion, or opposing viewpoints. Adam is most likely oblivious as to how his “pro bono” advice will result in the crash of Markos business, and the total destruction of Markos credibility, once all the facts regarding Obama surface and Fox News starts doing “SPECIAL NEWS CASTS”. Adam probably really believes Karl Rove has been quietly resting at home back in Texas, instead of compiling large porfolios of real dirt on the Dem candidates. Of course we know, Rove also had resources not available to the average person.

        Larry, Please take it as the highest compliment. Adam only shows up at another Blog, when a charge against Obama is much too close to the truth.

        Well Done and Thanks Larry. Perhaps we should have YOU run for President next time. The Job does come with great accomodations, free travel and loads of perks.

        • simon

          Adam doesn’t impress me.

          Even for a lawyer, it’s shit.

          Obama was a lousy teacher, too?

          How far back do Kos and Obama go?

          • simon

            Unsophisticated middle class pretensions ARE precious, aren’t they?

          • Nellie

            I said Adam was Obama’s student.

            Kos went to Law School at Boston University.

            You’ll have to ask Adam how long ago he was Obama’s student. He never seems to get down to specifics, so I do not know.

            • simon

              Right, I get it, it’s really easy, perhaps you misread me?

              Anyway, you’re not attacking a traditional target, and therein lies the rub, identifying the problem.

              You set yourself up for a mess of trouble when you’re functionally illiterate.

      • truthaddict

        He was protesting the illegal, criminal and immoral war in vietnam while people sat back and acted like non-citizen’s. I don’t agree with the tactics they used obviously but to make him out to be another mohammad atta is offcourse. terrorism is all around us. you have many accusations ….

      • Company Man

        Umm.. shall we go into YOUR ties to the unsavory? REALLY?

        • Mike Howell

          Who are you talking about and are they running for President?

      • howard

        By the time the smoke leaves the barrel of the gun it will be too late for Democratic Americans to say they are sorry to have been mis-led by this smooth talking player named OBAMA. R WE sure he is not a child of Malcolm X? (just throwing this in to heat up the debate)

      • Liz B

        Bingo. Now you got it. I believe there is a connection that ties Ayers to 9/11.
        Funny how he gave an interview to the NYT the day of 9/11.

        i tthink shit is about to hit the fan, and when it does both Ayers and Obama will be covered in it.

      • Papoose

        Simon, the US market crashing is inside job..9/11/08 foreshadowed this – the real “October” surprise. U$A going down by hook r by crook. The dNC installed an NPer purposefully.
        Hey, The One told Ed Rendell back in March in no uncertain terms, just shut up. And Ed said, OK.

        Can you not hear them back in Chi-town chuckling.
        …fistbumping all around, no doubt.

        Wonder where the Iranian students got their big bright idea to crush our Embassy and steal 52 of our fellow Americans and humiliate America back on 11/4/1979 – yep, 1979.
        _________________

        uh huhn…where there’s smoke there is fire.

        I’d personally like to thank the pillars of my American life, before the CHANGE, Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachussetts and his lovely neice, Caroline, our First Daughter for their early endorsement and enthusiasm in bringing all of this to us forever. They made a World of Difference in our Country.

        How ironic that our late, great Robert fought McCarthyism, the Union Mob, Racism/Lack of Social Justice, etc…to lay murdered on the floor of the Embassy Hotel in California as he ran for president…just some fellow name Sirhan Sirhan.
        Whoever the hell he is? Have we ever to this day been told who that guy was? He still resides in our Country.

        God save America

    • Banquo’s Ghost

      Who gives a shit? As scandals go, this “scandal” is total bullshit. A measly 200 bucks from a “terrorist” who is a U of I professor? I mean, Give Me A Fucking Break. Larry can do better this. I spent more than that on Valentine’s Day dinner for two yesterday.

      Obama can assuredly be criticized. I call bullshit on “ties to terrorists”. What is Larry trying to do, spread disinformation to people who are clueless enough to believe anything easily?

      • carlos harris

        i feel that this is all bullshit. mccain and bush both have ties to the bin laden family. and both probally shook hands with osama himself

    • marc Raymond

      I have been saying this for a long time that he should not and can not be trusted.Taking over this country in November is as easy as chavez taking over venezuela. One must remember The US is the final act in total conrtol if their man Obama wins the nomination in november than they essentially now have total control over the US Israel and the world and this can not happen this is why Hillary or Mccain has got to win. there is no ands and if’s about this one.when you do decide to email me I will explain to you as to why the Vatican is determined not to have Clinton in the white house.God Bless America Remeber what Adolf Hitler said after he lost when he tried to take over the reichstag in 1933, we lost but that’s okay we will use their very own methods to destroy them that is taking over the Goverment by legal means which is votes.

    • ricos suave

      Obama will usher in the false peace and then the anti-christ and apocolypse.The end times are here people.Wake up.If all these terrorist groups support Obama,and he openly stated in his book he would side with Muslims if American politics went bad,this isnt a good choice for leadership in the US.Blacks want him to be president on the sole basis that he has african american blood.Who is taking notice at the terrorist groups supporting Obama?Does anyone wonder why?Does anyone care?

    • joe

      the time frame does not matter . Obama knows this man personaly is it hard to believe that someone with out remorse would tell a friend something that they did and are proud of doing . I can believe it and if you dont you are dillutional . I cant believe that people that call themselves americans can openly accept something like this . The president should be someone that is considered a patriot not someone of questionable backround . As far as ayers is concerned do you think that terrorist bombing is acceptable from an american or anyone else he should be put to death . Anyone who dosent think so should leave the country or share his fate . I expect more from my president .

    • diane

      I would like to know everything on on both sides .. sooo research . I am .. easier than you think .

    • Zorro Astor

      Watch the chronology: you’re attacking Obama for receiving a contribution from Ayers *before* Ayers’ public admissions.

      You mean like Ayers was a closed book and nobody knew about this? Uh – Obama funneled hundreds of millions into Ayers’ baby projects. Who needs the terrorism link anyway?

      Silly apologetic reasoning. The Kool-Aid wears off and there’s nothing you can do about it.

    • TeakWoodKite

      AND? before or after? Is that like Vanna White having to spell it out for you?

    • Dr. Kate

      what an a**! This was a laughable comment.

      here you are, I never see you unless there is trouble for obama, and you come over here from the orange sewer to talk about before ayers admissions? Like you don’t know he’s an admitted terrorist and proud of it, since 1969??????

      hahahahahahahah. adam b from the orange sewer, go home.

    • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

      You must be kidding? You are sitting here trying to claim Ayers didn’t admit to his past until after 2001? Do you type that with a straight face?

      roflamo

    • Dawnelle

      the friggen idiots could have had HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      omg bambi must have had ZERO plans to run for any BIG office back then otherwise he truly is an IDIOT!

      When I joined the Army so many years ago the MOS I went for required a Secret Clearance (no biggy really) but still they had to know everything about my parents, grandparents and my past history. And you know Secret is barely above a regular clearance.

      (now this was in the 70′s and 80′s so it could be different now)

      I wish they would do an ad about how Bambi couldn’t pass a security test to even be a mail carrier!

      argh! It’s really frustrating.

      Larry, being prescient must suck! Especially when NO ONE LISTENS!

      (Mom and I and millions of others said the same thing about GW opening up the can of worms in Iraq)

  • CK

    By God this calls for a deep investigation of the University of Illinois.
    And a deep investigation of all the members of the board of the Woods fund, who else is involved in this terrorist conspiracy. What other anti-poverty types are hiding their friendship with William Ayers, PH.D.?
    And a deep investigation of the FBI for failing to prosecute.
    At the very least Obama should return that controlling $200 which with interest now would amount to almost $300 at 6% interest.
    Mr Johnson was this the caliber of work you did for the CIA? Would this work even pass muster with Dougie Feith’s stovepipe operation?

    • simon

      By God this calls for a deep investigation of the University of Illinois.

      And a deep investigation of all the members of the board of the Woods fund, who else is involved in this terrorist conspiracy. What other anti-poverty types are hiding their friendship with William Ayers, PH.D.?
      And a deep investigation of the FBI for failing to prosecute.
      At the very least Obama should return that controlling $200 which with interest now would amount to almost $300 at 6% interest.
      Mr Johnson was this the caliber of work you did for the CIA? Would this work even pass muster with Dougie Feith’s stovepipe operation?

      You’re right, actually, but, apparently, it’s already been done.

      Right?

      Drip, drip, drip…

  • oldtree

    As you know, I have been a long time reader and most appreciative of this site for it’s facts and no BS approach. But I am being run out because of the bizarre campaign site that this has become.
    Terrorist? You are using the words they used to describe Valerie for complaining about being exposed? What the hell is going on?

    You can’t use words to do anything but teach or inflame, right?
    teaching is superior.

    Most of us in this country have accepted the nonsense of the revision of the word “terrorist” to mean what xenophobic twits use it for. Many of us remember that the US started as a terrorist uprising. Everyone thought Israel was a terrorist group until they turned it in to a country.

    GW used terror to become a terrorist to the people of this country. He is allied with governments that fund terrorism, and billions of our tax dollars support terrorism. It is the bread and butter for our country now. Everyone has become rich over terrorism, except our country, which is near bankruptcy. It will continue as a concept to raise money, and it will continue in those places where people are getting the crap fed to them by their “governments” or the outside forces that run their governments.

    I for one, don’t get it? Our government is totally broken and full of people that are criminals. They have violated their oath of office and committed treason on the floor of both houses and in the white house?

    What are we going to get when it is all said and done? martial law?

    • CK

      Yes
      The congress gave GWB the authority to declare martial law at his own judgement in response to whatever urges he might feel.
      Among the things that the president can do under martial law is cancel elections.
      GWB can do this right up to the instant that the innaugeration is complete.

      The Original Patriot act was written during the Clinton administration, or did you think it was created immediately after 9/11?

      • TeakWoodKite

        CK:
        Rudy somehow thought he could do this as well.
        Oldtree:
        Our government is totally broken and full of people that are criminals. They have violated their oath of office and committed treason on the floor of both houses and in the white house?

        and the Justice dpt and the cia and the State dept and the FBI and the Pentagon.

        All of these places have honest dedicated individuals working there yet the “consequeces are “dire” according to GW… If Addington gets his way (one bomb away from doing away with FISA) we will be attacked and we will have martial law and “internment camps” will be the norm.
        The Rockerfeller Grove looks more appealing with every passing day.

        http://www.redwoodhikes.com/Humboldt/Rockefeller.html

        • CK

          Rudy tried to do it in NYC in 2001, the laws in place in New York State at the time did not allow him to stop the election.
          The laws the US congress has passed, and the natsec letters and presidential directives since issued since 2001 do give the President the authority and the legal justifications to do just that. 7 years of fear of the turbanned devils has give this country the paperwork necessary to justify and become a dictatorship.
          Those laws do not have “sunset” provisions. Whoever wins this fall has the same authority until and unless they revoke the natsec letters and the presidential directives and congress repeals the laws. Don’t expect that shit to happen.

          • TeakWoodKite

            Don’t expect that shit to happen.
            On that we agree. At least anytime soon.

        • http://AnytimeTWK allimom99

          I live in Eureka. Just let me know.

          • TeakwoodKite

            HSU Alumni

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Oldtree, are you familiar with William Ayers and what his terrorist group did? (I can’t believe, with your knowledge, that you’re not.)

      For the anti-war movement, it was a horrific blow: He and his cohorts tore the movement asunder between non-violent and violent types. Anyone who still advocated non-violence was a “wuss” in their minds. They walked around with Mao’s Little Red Book, praising Stalin to the hilt. (The responsible anti-war movement continued its efforts and its marches, and did not denounce the U.S. in its entirety.)

      They advocated the violent overthrow of the U.S. They cached huge amounts of weapons of all types. They bombed buildings. They MURDERED people. They worked with other terrorist groups that cached weapons for the big revolution.

      If they had had their way, we’d all be living like people did during Mao’s cultural revolution.

      And now Ayers has a cushy safe spot on a university campus.

      SOME former activists/”terrorists” have become truly productive members of their communities, and renounced the calls for violence, and terrible acts of violence, from the 1960s-1970s. But some, like Ayers, are unrepentant and he’s still proud of the violence he wrought.

      And OBAMA has no problem taking money from this man? He has no problem sitting on a board with this man? He refuses to respond to queries about this man? (I doubt seriously that Obama has ANY problem with ANYONE who gives him money — he just sees green.)

      And these aren’t wild media types bringing up these issues. This came from BLOOMBERG News.

      • CK

        I was familiar with the name Weather Underground, offshoot of the SDS. You don’t need a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing. And all those “violent terrorist groups” had their wannabe hangerons. Now 30+ years later some wannabe wants to be a bit more than he is entitled to be and you get all fyclept.
        Ayers name I had never heard of until today.
        If he was such a significant part of the killings and bombings how has he managed to avoid any prosecutions anything at all. The feds absolutely do not allow people who blow up federal building or execute federal officers to just “get on with their lives.” There is no statute of limitations on those things. Has he ever been arrested? Tried? done time? or is he just another bagohotair in a long line of boomer bags?
        I doubt that anyone knew who this ayers guy was until he did his book and that NYT interview on 9/11/2001. It must have galled him no end to be overshadowed by real bombers.
        Tone down the hysteria a wee bit. HUGE CACHES OF weapons, my aunt fanny. Mostly they blew their own asses off because they knew no chemistry and had less brains between them than a herd of crickets.
        You do know that Hillary worked to elect Barry Goldwater? She was a GOLDWATER GIRL. If she had had her way then we would all be living in whatever it was that Barry would have led us to.
        I knew she was a Goldwater girl at Yale. I worked for the Goldwater campaign myself in 1964 but not at Yale. In 1964 when she and I were trying to elect Goldwater and utterly destroy LBJ and all that he stood for Baruch Hussein Obama was 3 years old. When this ayers guy claims he was all deep into radical shit B. H. Obama was at most 12. And this guy donated to BH months before this guy gives an interview that noone read because some more serious shit than the maybe truthful memories of an adjunct to failed radicalism gave an interview.

        • simon

          Is the goldwater girl like the Obama girl, and what does that make someone like Adam, the Obama boy?

          First, we want to know if he’s gay.

          We’re putting together a new promotional package, gay lawyers for Obama, it’s a type of Log Cabin democrat, modeled on Aunt Jemima, gay Jews and syrup.

          • Cee

            Simon wrote:

            First, we want to know if he’s gay.

            We’re putting together a new promotional package, gay lawyers for Obama, it’s a type of Log Cabin democrat, modeled on Aunt Jemima, gay Jews and syrup.

            DOES ANYONE STILL THINK THAT SIMON IS A CLINTON SUPPORTER?

            • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

              Cee, I am quickly coming to the conclusion that Simon and his alter ego Mike Howell are a troll. I have never one single time even suggested this about anyone, but how else can you explain them?

              • CK

                There is no requirement for explanation. Refusal to feed is the usual perscription.
                Aything beyond that invites carpal tunnel.

            • simon

              Are you guys done, yet?

              God, I haven’t seen so much shit blown since
              they last changed Rummy’s diaper.

              Get a new line of ops, will you?

              How did you set yourselves up, today?

              What is your real position, oh, are you in control, now?

              Fighting asymmetric war is so easy…

              Got anything new, something we haven’t seen before, can you recognize a clue?

              Why would someone fall to the level of insurgent war, passive aggressive, is there a possibility you’re being trolled, again?

              Imagine if you were the US, and I was Russia, trolling you into Iraq…

              You’d have no fucking clue, and you don’t, now.

              How were you brought up, this is normal, to engage over lies?

              My, my.

            • Simon

              DOES ANYONE STILL THINK THAT SIMON IS A CLINTON SUPPORTER?

              Cee, you are like a robot, you have no sense of humor, at all.

        • Mr.Murder

          Goldwater’s wife helped establish Planned Parenthood.

          Perhaps a big reason why Hillary was so interested in them at the time.

      • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

        Come on, Susan! Whatever you think of Ayers OR Obama, this hardly constitutes TIES TO TERRORIM.

        They hyperbole on this site is getting more and more and more insane.

        • simon

          You should leave, then, shirin, if you can’t take it.

          You whine a lot, your posts are dull, don’t you have anything NEW or insightful to offer, even your prose is prosaic…

          Put some VOICE into your narrative, you know, a mind of your own.

          • Mr.Murder

            That’s a pretty unfair thing to say about shirin.

            As for the man and his involvement, he’s an idealogue.

            He could have given one dollar less and never had to report the item. This was a symbolic move, one done beyond the amount of money. Just enough to be on the record.

            This is as close as it gets to finding a radical cleric, a radical professor?

            The fact remains he does boast about having tergeted buildings in ways that killed innocent civilians.

            Was Don Rumsfeld in the House at the time….

      • Cee

        REAL NEWS! ENOUGH WITH THE HILLARY BAD EXPERIENCE.

        February 15, 2008
        Read More: Hillary Clinton
        Putin vs. Clinton

        When Hillary Clinton said, way back in New Hampshire, that Vladimir Putin “doesn’t have a soul,” I figured that would be the sort of thing the Russian wouldn’t be pleased about. But when I called the foreign ministry the next day for comment, it was Orthodox Christmas, and I let it slide.

        He was asked about the remark at his press conference yesterday, however, and indeed wasn’t pleased.

        The former KGB lieutenant colonel appeared to lash out at U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton — a leading Democratic candidate for president — when one reporter quoted her as saying that former KGB officers have no soul:

        “At a minimum, a head of state should have a head,” Putin said.

        • Mr.Murder

          “I’ve looked into Putin’s eyes, I’ve seen his soul.”

          -dubya

    • PenisColada

      Wow, so a “terrorist” donated $200 to him, and they both fought poverty together. That must make Obama a terrorist. My god, you people are stupid.

      • Simon

        PenisColada, who should try a pineapple next time, wrote:

        Wow, so a “terrorist” donated $200 to him, and they both fought poverty together. That must make Obama a terrorist. My god, you people are stupid.

        We’re not the ones sticking our penises into blenders, in the hopes of making a new faddish, young cocktail, now, are we, penis?

        Now, who is the stupid one?

  • mudkitty

    “Friends?” Or campaign doner? Big dif. This is misleading Mr. J. The republicans pulled the same shit on Clinton and Gore. This is dirty pool.

  • mudkitty

    BTW – I support Hillary.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFtRxubRyA

    Let’s take our country back, and not participate in the circular firing squad that has the Republicans licking their chops.

  • G Hazeltine

    Scraping the bottom.

  • ebonyscrews

    Good work, Larry. Keep airing it all out. If no one else in the media but a few independent-minded and intrepid souls like yourself, TM, Susan are willing to vet this Obama guy–by all means jump the shark on it. Tired of everyone trashing Hillary and casting aspertions her way without batting an eyelash. Vet the man now before it’s too late.

    • Nellie

      Ditto Ebony Screws.

      I am appalled at the cult like adoration of someone who has barely been vetted. Perhaps its just me. But as a Professor with many foreign strudents for 18 years, I have heard “eloquent B/S” from all corners of the globe – and I don’t buy it! In fact the lesson I have learned is the more charming and well spoken or soft spokne they are – its better to find the closet they are trying to hide and see whats in it.

  • Mr.Murder

    Yowza.

    First point in Sen.Barack’s defense, it was only two hundred dollars. This doesn’t suggest the kind of depth of association we’d expect to be causative.

    Second point, there’s quite a distance between his days doing that and the days Obama knew him. There may be a case of him being completely unaware of the man’s prior act.

    Third point, you’d have to see Sen.Obama know the man’s intent in any actions aside from the things they worked on, to say this was about matching idealogies.

    That said in caution to him, as a person, Sen.Obama.
    Professionally, we have higher standards, and expect him to develop similar judgement as officeholder in the Upper Legislative body and in running for highest office.

    James Baath, the bin ladens and Bandars send out greater reasons to be concerned in comparison, and they were handled with kis gloves by the MSM regarding Dubya’s inner circle of influence.

    That would be equal if we were to say that the Republican policy is our standard. That is not so.

    From a moral perspective, it’s alarming, because then Bubba Milita now has someone who operates on the same terms with which to wage a war of equiovlency with.

    No more McVeighs. There’s a clear line to draw there, one neither side should cross. What can we say about that, it looks like we(or an ally) bombed someone who operates the same way, with little regard for those around him, in an act of retribution, in Syria this week.

    But this event appears unprovoked in any comparison that we can determine. Maybe with the town and the time, and memories of Nixon running goon squads in ’68, you could see this reactionary reflex with some understanding, but that also stops with targeting buildings in a way the innocent can be hurt.

    There’s no middle ground on this. It’s a bright shining line, and anyone crossing that point is armed with a bright shining lie. Violence begets violence, et al.

    One would have to argue that if the man is so unabashed and nothing came of the admission, that he may have been a plausible lever as well. A counterintuitive player, given leniency for such a reason.

    The line stops when collateral results happen. Some nine to five civil clerk or Federal employee, on their way to do an honest day’s work for an honest day’s pay, has a penultimate judgment rendered on him by someone else playing god.

    In other countries we call these types Taliban. Playing judge and jury with weapons. There’s no place for it if we’re to be of our better nature. Martin Luther King Jr. would be the first to speak against such forms of expression. Our better angels should be the standard bearer for our belief set, in secular spheres, or the realm of faith.

    • Percy

      You are missing the point. Obama has many questionable ties out there….not just one, yet many. He has a pattern of being able to stay under the radar while working questionable ties. He was a master at the “present” vote for example….stating his reasons, yet that makes him like teflon.

      With Rezko….they had a 17 year relationship more than casual. Rezko’s character was more than known, yet didn’t stop Obama from his associations with him… and even accepting favors from him….and pehaps doing some favors that are hidden well. He calls the one instance “bone-headed.

      The point is… Obama is running his campaign, on Change…new kind of politics, no special interest, he is running on his superior judgement, he sets the bar high….yet …. his actions don’t measure up to them.

      We are picking a President….it is ONLY fair that we fairly get all questionable information about them.

      Hillary has been fully vetted….why is Obama allowed to stay above the fray? One reason, he is black and somehow if one is asked about his record, his past…they are labled RACIST.

      Obama’s judegemnet is questionable. He is doing attack ads, and has done so for quite sometime…yet nobody holds him accountable.

      His just keeps passing out Kool Aid…… speak up on his real accomplishments….let’s hear how he has shown good jusgement through out his career ….um… giving a speech in 2002, against the war….and an anti-war rally, doesn’t count.

      Maybe it would count… if he really demonstrated actions that showed he was against the war. And he didn’t. In 2004, he said, if he was in the US Senate at the time, with all of the information in front of him, he doesn’t know how he would have voted…..and he was in line with George Bush’s positions on the war.

      He also said in speeched he would not vote for war funding.. and he has. He has never taken a strong approach to stopping the war. He refused to stand with Russ Fiengold to offically, oppose the war.

      So… speak up Obama supporters ….. show us where he has walked the talk…how he has displayed good judgment.. this superior judgement he claims to have.

      Try to do it without profanities…..if you can not defend his judgement in his record and the people he keeps ….. maybe you can explain why he is conducting in deceptive advertising.

      • simon

        We all see IL Gov Blagojevich, his relationship to Rezko, and we think there is something there, something to Stuart Levine, the kickbacks, pension investment, jobs, no one is defending Blagojevich, and rightly so, he should be investigated, in part because of his ties to Rezko, Rezko as a fundraiser.

        Obama was just as close to Rezko as Blagojevich, top to bottom, despite his weak PR attempts to portray himself as the seduced, politically naive waif.

        He even lied about it, a bald faced lie, during the debates, in an interview with Dianne Sawyer, with a straight face, he said ” I did five hours of work for him (Rezko), through my law firm.”

        Hey, work it Barry.

        That’s the real spin here, the DENIAL.

      • PenisColada

        Cool, more stupid, ill-founded conspiracy theories.

        • Simon

          PenisColada, a big fat bore, and an uncreative man, wrote:

          Cool, more stupid, ill-founded conspiracy theories.

          Rather than a penis, have you ever thought of trying a pineapple?

          Or hiring a smart person?

          Might make you look better.

          You so bad…

          Oh, look, it’s the attack of the slow witted Obama trolls…

          heh.

          ya meat puppets…

  • Cee

    LOL!Stop.

    • simon

      No, Cee, it would appear there is a lot of smoke, time to look for the fire.

      And all this spin and obsfucation, do you really think the FBI, and the CIA are ignorant?

      And do you really think Cheney and Rove’s PR guys are capable of burying this?

      Auchi, Rezko, MI, Arab American Action Network, Rezko with ties to Lebanese banks, possibly Hezbollah, money laundering, Senator Obama, Richard Perle, Sybil Edmonds, and on and on.

      It’s just facinating, and scary, isn’t it?

      And no amout of denial can make it go away.

      What was the name of the big Congressional scandal in the 70′s, ABSCAM, or something?

      There is precedent.

      And now let’s go to tinfoil, and conspiracy nuts, in a roomful of ex spooks.

      • Mr.Murder

        The lobby simon mentions connects back with some Hastert and Edmonds items, no?

        He’s right on to mention ABSCAM as well. Precedent.

        Now let’s review some of those TomDeLay NaftaSib trips to Europe.

        How about a review of Enron jet flight logs?

        • CK

          Abscam was a bunch of FBI agents led by a conman. They dressed up in arab clothing and tried to buy something like 31 member of the congress. Managed to send 1 repbulican and 4 democrats to prison for accepting bribes. There were no arabs involved in abscam. It was FBI the whole time. Mostly it was Carter FBI/DOJ getting back at Kennedy allies. Dem senator Harrison Williams from NJ and a bunch of clowns from the old philly mob/congressional delegation ended up on tv and out of congress.
          So I am not sure what ABSCAM is precedent in except calendar years. The rethugs and Emmanuel/Hoyer dems tried to use abscam against Murtha because he DIDN’T accept a bribe.
          Repeat: There were NO arabs, muslims, islamics involved in Abscam. It was the brainchild of a cheap crook and convicted conman named Melvin Weinberg. And no one has ever bothered to investigate why the FBI would follow the direction of an ex con in an attempt to discredit congress.

          • Mr.Murder

            The fact was we were having an oil embargo and a hostage crisis and members of COngress were on the take from similar interests.

            October surprise…

            …and the band played in.

            • CK

              What other members of congress were prosecuted for being on the take from similar interests? The FBI targetted 31 members of congress at the urging of a convicted criminal. The FBI was able to get 5 of those targetted to accept money.
              The FBI masqueraded as arab sheiks not as Iranians. Playing on the stereotype of the rich desert arab with bags of cash. The stereotype worked on 16% of the congressmen targetted.
              The OPEC oil embargo was in 1973-1974. Abscam was 1980-1981
              The hostage crisis was extended by GHWB. The october surprise was that there was no october surprise. The hostages that could have returned before the election were kept in Iran at the urging of Bush the older. Had they been returned to the USA before the election it would have been a bonus for Carter especially after the cockup that was Operation Eagle Claw in April of 1980. The hostages were released when Reagan was sworn in.
              The trade off was what became known eventually as Iran Contra. The other trade off was 12 years of Reagan Bush. And that band does indeed still play on.

              • Mr.Murder

                There was evidence of bending the public will to match private money.

                Public money went on to launder Iran/contra, springing form the network that set in place the October surprise.

                Oil prices continued to mire in the Carter years. He put solar panels on the White House roof, OPEC responded, with inflationary results.
                ABSCAM matches the time when private money was being used in the October Surprise, which turned into public money directly after.

                Noriega, Marcos, Saddam, the Mujahadeen.

                • CK

                  Ok I am following your line of thinking now. The old “moral equivalent of war” speech from the Carter years. The Iranian revolution and the labour troubles in the Iranian oil fields.
                  Simultaneously the “Charlie Wilson’s War” start up under Carter to give the russians a bloody nose in Afghanistan.
                  Sitting in gas lines in the late 70′s.
                  The Iraq Iran war … Saddam was our guy then, but so were the mullahs for Iran contra transshipments. Cap Weinberger and Don Rumsfeld shipping chem weapons to Iraq.
                  Good times indeed.
                  Noriega is still in solitary.
                  Marcos’s shoes were auctioned.
                  Saddam was suckered into invading Kuwait
                  And the Mujahadeen blew back on their creators.

        • simon

          NAFTA?

          How did that fit in, and with Clinton, too?

          I remember reading Clinton felt pressured to pursue NAFTA, part of his triangulation, his political pragmatism.

          What is the back story on that?

      • Cee

        Auchi, Rezko, MI, Arab American Action Network, Rezko with ties to Lebanese banks, possibly Hezbollah, money laundering, Senator Obama, Richard Perle, Sybil Edmonds, and on and on.

        Simon,

        Since this is such an issue (LOL) for you, don’t forget to follow the breadcrumbs that lead back to Hillary.

        http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×2856579

        In the meantime, another important angle to Edmonds’ case has opened up. Earlier this week, the New York Post ran a Page 6 piece, ODD FILM BY HILLARY BACKER, which highlights the close relationship between Hillary Clinton and Chicago-based Turkish businessman Mehmet Celebi.

        Celebi, “one of the national leaders of the Turkish-American community in the US,” is a key fundraiser for Clinton, and is one of Clinton’s Chicago delegates to the 2008 Democratic National Convention. Celebi was also heavily involved in the controversial 2006 movie “Valley of the Wolves: Iraq” which has been widely regarded as “anti-Semitic, anti-American, conspiratorial agitprop.”

        Mehmet Celebi is also a key figure in the Sibel Edmonds case – he is heavily involved in the narcotics trade in the US and the corruption and bribery of high-level US officials.

        If you don’t address that just talk to my hand from now on.

        • Nellie

          Cee,

          You are right.

          Actually this goes back to George Bush Senior. Look it up – Iran/Contra -It started when Bush Senior, then a hidden mole like person at the CIA, agreed to go along with J Edgar Hoover, FBI and have illicit drugs come in the couuntry.

          In fact most of the Congress has been in on this for decades. That is why they all howled when John Kerry did such a good job on the BCCI report – He had most of his colleagus begging him not to publish it.

          Here’s an excerpt from an interview with Lyndon Johnson’s mistress about the meeting the night before they killed JFK

          http://www.patshannan.com/assassinationslyndon.html

          And here is an excerpt showing the CIA and goings on right after JFK was killed

          http://www.geocities.com/Northstarzone/JFK.html

          • TeakwoodKite

            BCCI report – He had most of his colleagus begging him not to publish it.

            Think they remembered that in 04?

        • simon

          Since this is such an issue (LOL) for you, don’t forget to follow the breadcrumbs that lead back to Hillary.

          You’re right, the more I read, the more I see how both democrats and republicans are connected to this.

          Mr Murder brought up a very good point in regard to B Clinton, and NAFTA. So, what is there?

          It’s about a clean Congress, not whom I support for President.

          If that were the case, I’d be just as hypocritical as the koskrew, and I have far more pride than that, I like to think of myself as intelligent.

          This is why I supported Edwards, btw, I thought he was the cleanest of the bunch.

          But it’s not like I would mind control anyone to get my way, I was so disappointed he was not able to be more competitive, but it’s a free world.

        • Mr.Murder

          That’s funny, the supposed Hillary backer connection turns out to be a Debbie Schlussel circular link going back to a NY post movie review quoting, Schlussel.

          Noteice also the anti semetic remarks at Schlussel’s link.

          Jewish Apolgism has all of four google hits, and Schlssel’s is atop that that list, three other of the links reference her words.

          Someone help her get the word out!

          The evils j00z, played by Gary Busey ,in a dramatized movie about terra!

  • Michel

    What else do you call someone who plants bombs at Federal facilities?

    Er… – CIA-type spooks setting-up a false flag operation?
    - Mossad agents wanting to embroil us further into their schemes?
    - Aryan-nation Kristians misapplying Baader-Meinhof recipes on how to start class-war?
    - FBI triple agents having lost their bearings?
    - Farmer’s cooperative disposing of extra fertilizer?
    - MLK finally realizing he was going nowhere fast with that non-violence shit?
    - ….

    • simon

      -a bunch of trolled republican ops who missed the bus, and found something else to do on their lunch break?

  • http://historynotebook.blogspot.com/ James

    Good gracious. In graduate school I was friends with a scholar that researched domestic terrorists (an animal rights group that destroys laboratories) and even did a political favor for the scholar while he was facing a jail term for refusing to testify before a grand jury. He served six months for his view of “academic freedom.” Does this mean I shouldn’t run for office.

    Get over it. George W. Bush and the CIA have long associations with terrorists and those that fund terrorists. Wait a minute, didn’t YOU work for the CIA?

    Of course, the American people are easily led astray by right wing propaganda, so perhaps you have a point.

  • Greg

    Cough*Cough*FALN*cough*Pardons

    I’m just curious, those of you who say this shows poor judgment, what would have had Obama do? Run backgroud checks on everyone who donates more than one dollar to his campaign? Background checks on everyone who would serve on the boards of prestigious anti-poverty groups with him? And of those who are already on the board when he gets there?

    • simon

      Run backgroud checks on everyone who donates more than one dollar to his campaign? Background checks on everyone who would serve on the boards of prestigious anti-poverty groups with him? And of those who are already on the board when he gets there?

      Yes.

      The fact that he wouldn’t shows poor judgement, and laziness, you give such a 90′s rationalization, “well, everybody else is doing it.”

      What next, the dog ate his homework?

      Furthermore, your weak excuse making makes me wonder if Obama knowingly took part in the gravy train, took advantage of an opportunity to make some big money?

      Or is it like Serpico, corruption being so rampant in Congress, and IL, Obama felt he had no other choice, a coward. I mean, Rezko is also connected to Gov Rod, and yikes, talk about an open sewer.

      Certainly, there are enough facts to warrant further investigation, and, the usual suspects are trying to discourage this, even discussion, with old school propaganda techniques, further complicating matters, for themselves — oh denial.

      Why?

      Anyway you look at it, you lose, just finally connecting the dots.

      And it will never go away, you know?
      And if they DO get the money line, here, they finally get a hold of terrorism, don’t they, in part, controlling it.

  • CK

    Obama was born in 1961, the weather underground was history by 1973 when Barack was 12. The 200 was donated in april of 2001. At which time Ayers was a college prof. Is there some ongoing connection between Obama and Ayers after Obama left the Woods Fund board? Is there any reason to suspect that Obama knew anything about Ayer’s activities in the 70′s or that Obama read that NYT interview that supposedly happened on 9/11, a day when a few other more important things than an interview with an obscure prof happened? And in all honesty, a $200 contribution to a fellow board member’s campaign smacks of cheapjackery of the worst sort. Almost an insult, even by the prevailing cheapjackery levels of most college profs.

    • Nellie

      CK,

      You are forgetting that Obama was the equivalent of a Visiting Professor (not full time staff) at the Unversity of Chicago. Obama could have well carried on the friendship. Professors are a ‘clickish’ lot – take it from someone who is a professor.

      • Adam B.

        The University of Chicago is a different school, in a different part of the city, from The University of Illinois-Chicago where Ayers taught.

        • Nellie

          Oh Adama you do love to split hairs.

          How far apart are they in miles or fractions thereof? Is there a common wateringhole or restaurant they frequent between the two places.

          A few miles means NADA!

      • CK

        Was one for a while myself back in my disgusting younger years. The cliquishness is usually departmental because that is where the knives are.
        And as someone else pointed out, two different universities involved.

        • Nellie

          Depends on the size of the college, and the consortium or interdisciplinary exchanges.

          In NH Departments are relatively small and travel between the various colleges quite common.

          And you are right. I can’t spell worth a damn some days!

          • CK

            Indeed.
            I taught mostly in the business school ( quel surprise ) econ and Machiavelli. Bus school was large and the knives were sharp and the money was inadequate.

      • Jack

        I would hope that as a Professor you could spell cliquish… Oh never mind.

  • mimi

    I’m a Hillary supporter and although I think the Repigs will use this in Nov, I think it’s inappropriate for us to. It’s only feeding the Obama supporters with reason not to unify behind Hillary should she be the nominee. She doesn’t need this. She already has her work cut out for her.

    • alexei

      I think that this is part of the vetting process. Obama needs to show that he can rebut these now and not wait until the GE.

  • Anne

    It’s about judgment, isn’t it? It just seems to me that if every muscle twitch that Hillary Clinton makes is going to be held up to the bright white light of scrutiny, there’s no reason to make any assumptions in Obama’s favor and give him a special exemption. I’m as sick as anybody about the doggedness with which the media and other outlets go after the candidates on seemingly minor matters, but we’re talking about a candidate – Obama – who has not been vetted; that his wife says he’s stinky in the morning and doesn’t put his socks in the hamper does not qualify.

    It’s just my opinion, but I would rather know now what’s lurking in the woodwork, get it out in the open, answer it and move on than to pretend that the adoring media glow in which Obama is currently basking will not turn into a harsh glare that could mean that we will once again be on the sidelines while a Republican who loves war takes the oath of office in January.

    Four of the most painful words to have to utter or hear are “I told you so,” and if there’s any chance they might be said, I would prefer it not be late in the evening of Election Day in November. I don’t think people have a real appreciation for how bitter that pill will taste – so for God’s sake, stop trying to keep Obama in a bubble, pretending that he cannot and will not be attacked when it can do the most damage.

    • Nellie

      I too share your concerns.

      • simon

        It would appear this is the plan, either Mccain or Obama would be horrible.

        But Clinton is the smartest of the three, and comparatively, AFAIK, relatively clean.

        So I support her, Obama makes my skin crawl, such a lying fake, such a lightweight.

        Reading the Chicago papers, it’s appalling to see how nationally, people remain uninformed about Obama and Rezko’s real relationship.

        Even more disturbing is the willful ignorance, or acceptance, among democrats, that it’s OK for a democratic president to be just as dirty, and incompetent as Bush. How does a government run on such corruption? Like the Bush adminstration, that’s how, and you’ll get more of it if you keep promoting candidates like Obama.

        It’s interesting to see how isolated the koskrew became, in light of the information available on Obama. Who can take them seriously anymore, when so many of their former posters see the truth, and have opted for integrity, spread out, here and there.

        So you sort them out, the posers…

  • Jacek

    Was THIS post typical of the quality of analysis that you gave at the CIA? Heaven help us.

  • Bill Keyes

    From Anne..

    “stop trying to keep Obama in a bubble, pretending that he cannot and will not be attacked when it can do the most damage.”

    So thats what this is all about you Hillary supporters are pissed that you think Obama’s getting a free ride ie no vetting and Hillary is daily getting riped to shreds?

    Well I think I would have to agree with you. But what I dont understand is why you are taking out your anger on those of us who have not attacked Hillary. I for one like Shirin and others have tried to point out why we dont like Hillary based on the issues not on whether she took bad contributions of what she and Bill might have done in the past.

    Sure Obama if he is the nominee will get attacked by the Repug slime machine. I am sure they are already laid out two lines of slime one for Hillary and one for Obama. All they have to do is to wait until only one of them is still standing whether it be sometime in the next few months or after the final vote at the convention.

    So by spending time dragging out crap about Obama now, all you doing is saving them the job of having to dig it out for themselves.

    • Anne

      I realize that all is apparently not fair in politics, but it isn’t so much that I’m angry that he is getting a free ride as I am worried – deeply worried – that this “free” ride will turn out to carry quite a price tag when/if Obama gets the nomination. Maybe a price that we can’t afford.

      I was not, as you seem to think, directing my comments at any one particular person – and certainly not those who have not attacked HRC – it was more a response to the general “so what – nothing to see here” response to Larry’s post.

      It troubles me that you seem to be suggesting that by looking into areas that might be of concern, we – Democrats, that is – are just providing the ultimate opposition with a point-by-point plan of attack. I can’t imagine that the great GOP attack team is not already hard at work on their game plan, so why not get this stuff out in the light, debunk it if we can, and if we can’t, and it looks like it could be a real issue, address it before we have a nominee?

      • Nellie

        Well said Anne.

        Consider also, that Rove ‘left his position’ at the WH and has several months, plus still maintaining inside connections, to do nothing but compile dossiers on the Democrats.

        If we know this information – just imagine how much more will come out as BREAKING NEWS on Fox News.

      • Bill Keyes

        Ok Anne You got me

        Lets get all the dirt out on Obama and then debunk it, is that what I understand you are saying? If it is then as you said “why not get the stuff out and if it looks like it could be a real issue address it before we have a nominee.”

        However it looks like to me that most of the dirt gathering and commentary on this blog is not just to find out if there are skeletons in Obama’s closet, but it is to make him look like an unsavory character who doesnt even deserve to be in the race and make all of us who might or have said they will back Obama look like right wing lunatic Hillary haters.

        There also doesnt seem to be any debunking at all just more cheers by the obsessed Hillary backers on anything negative that is presented on Obama.

        In other words there is no dialogue on this site.
        You are either for Hillary or against period. You cant question anything she has said or anything she has done because if you do you are immediately jumped on as a Obama something or other and a Hillary hater.

        I dont drink Koolaid so I can make rational judgements I try to listen to any side of any argument that is present logically in order to come to a conclusion.

        I believe the number one issue facing this country is getting us the fuck out of Iraq and I would probably back Hillary in a New York minute if she would

        1) say finally and unequivicaly that her vote authorizing the war was a MISTAKE,

        2)that she regrets it

        3) that she believes we have no fucking business there or any other place in the ME

        4)that we do not need ANY presence in Iraq no enduring bases, no giant embassy and last of all NO business telling the Iraq ppl how to run their country

        5)that we need to get out of Iraq leave all the shit behind and retreat yes retreat to the shores of OUR country not any of the other tinhorn dictators ‘bases”

        6)that we should close every military base we have anywhere in the world bring our troops home and reduce the goddamn military budget to about 10% of what it is now

        7)that we should tell all the arms merchants that there will be no more pork barrell wasted insane spending of useless overkill military arms and they better find another line of business to go into because we aint gonna bail the fuckers out.

        This of course aint gonna happen no matter who wins because no one has the cajones to stand up and do the right thing.

        BTW speaking of doing the right thing, for those of you who are obsessed with Hillary all the time you probably didnt even know that the spineless Democratic House finally got some back bone and told Bush to go fuck himself on the supeanas of that butt ugly Harriet Meiers and John whats his name.

        The only Heros I have today are John Conyers and Rep Wexler.

        • chris

          Bill: “Lets get all the dirt out on Obama and then debunk it”

          Wrong! Bad Premise.
          It would be wiser, imo, to get all the dirt out and verify the facts from fiction. You cannot seek to debunk and call it an honest investigation. This is when we preordain our outcome. DEBUNK what is false, but be cautious when you start out to Debunk, you will only read those items that suit your conclusion.

          I’ve read you too long to sell you out. We may be on different pages, but we’re in the same chapter.
          Yes, Robert Wexler is my hero, John Conyers is still sitting on Wexler’s impeachment proposals and isn’t moving forward because he feels he won’t have the votes to get it in play. He overcomes that fear, and he’s a classic hero (so says my guru Joseph Campbell).

          Conyers can do it if anyone can, but he’s not acting.

          • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

            Robert Wexler is a lying, self-serving crook who was – more than any other politician – responsible for the theft of Florida primary votes. And every bit of Bill Keyes’ rant about Hilary’s vote, the Iraq war, our military footprint throughout the world and our foreign policy is frothing leftist nonsense.

      • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

        Here’s the thing, Anne. Do you see Larry trying to debunk any of the things they are laying out here? Do you see Susan trying to debunk any of them? Do you see any of the Hillary fans here trying to debunk anything?

        No?

        Well, then, on what basis are you even suggesting that a debunking effort is behind this constant barrage of anti-Obama diatribes, which by the way keep getting more and more hysterical-sounding, thinner and thinner and more and more embarrassing by the day.

        • Anne

          I think I understand your question/point, but I’m not sure how to answer it.

          I think that if the writer knows there are arguments that rebut the one he or she is making, it is fair to include them, and allow the reader to draw his or her own conclusion.

          I have to tell you that I don’t regard a $200 contribution made some years ago to be enough to indict someone as a terrorist sympathizer – we all have history and some whose history contains some troubling and even criminal elements are still capable of changing the arc of their lives and becoming as ordinary and benign as the rest of us. And as citizens they have as much right to contribute to candidates as anyone else.

          But…whether it means nothing or is another dot in a series that seems to raise questions about judgment is something that cannot be assessed if the questions aren’t asked. I keep looking at Obama’s long relationship with Rezko and finding it hard to believe Obama was oblivious to this man’s reputation, his associations and to the fact that he was under investigation. And I look at that and I wonder where else Obama’s good judgment took a leave of absence, and what that says about him and what it means to us looking at him as a potential president.

          I think my broader point is that there seems to be very little looking at things to ask questions about, so focused as the media and other outlets are on pushing the meme that Hillary is finished, that I think there is a window of internal scrutiny – meaning within the ranks of Democrats – that is going to close, and then it will be pretty much out of our hands.

          I think this terrorist-connection thing, at least as presented in this post, is thin – and borders on sensationalism that undermines what are often highly credible postings. The truth is that Obama does not have to be proven to be all bad in order to be judged not good enough, and Hillary does not have to be proved to be perfect in order to be judged that she is good enough. But, this seems to be the order of the day: depending on which blogs you visit, it’s either “Obama, bad – Hillary good” or “Hillary, bad – Obama, good” – or maybe that’s “Obama, God.”

          I just want Obama vetted and tested before it’s too late.

          • alexei

            nice post. Yes, I fear a 49 state blowout otherwise.

          • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

            Anne, you want Obama vetted and tested. Fair enough. As much as I dislike the idea of either Hillary or Obama in the White House (because of what I believe, based on real evidence, that they will do and fail to do in areas of most concern to me, NOT because of any of the crap that is being spewed around here these days), Bomber McCain, or (shudder!) a religious nut case like Huckabee is a worse alternative.

            But vetting Obama is most decidedly NOT what is going on here. How is it “vetting Obama” to put a tabloid-like headline screaming about “Obama’s Terrorist Ties” based on the absurd premise that receiving a $200 contribution seven years ago from someone who belonged to the Weather Underground constitutes terrorist ties. On the contrary, what that is most likely to do (other than get people to shake their heads and turn away from this formerly worthwhile website) is to fuel a fire that I don’t think you want fueled.

            If the purpose of this now All Obamasucks All the Time website were to “vet” Obama, the tone would be entirely different. It is obvious that the purpose of what is going on now is to convince people to vote for Hillary in the primary by demonizing Obama. I fear that this tactic, which is taking on the air of a hysterical, manic craziness, is apt to backfire badly. If Obama ends up as the nominee, the effects of what Larry and Susan are doing here could be very helpful to McCain.

    • CK

      If only the dems have their two lines of slime laid out for John “Keating” McCain and Mick Huck. These are the “enemy.” But somehow I get the impression that working out attacks on braggart bully McCain and squirrel molester huckabee are not quite what the dems want to stomach. Instead they appear to want to do a TIDE comparison and then expect that the magic voting fairy will plunk the white house into whichever pure one nabs the nom in august.
      Both parties knew they were in for a “horse race”
      the republicans has a shorter track to run so their race is over. Nationally the repubs have BUSH to disassociate themselves from and I just think that Georgie is not going to go gentle into that good night.
      Although sometimes when I see the stuff that gets posted here, I wonder if this is a hillary sight of a McCain false flag op disguised as a Heavy Hillary Support site. Almost every thread degenerates into some purity mongering poster explaining why if Obama gets the nom they will just have to vote Republican up and down the ticket.

      • Cee

        Although sometimes when I see the stuff that gets posted here, I wonder if this is a hillary sight of a McCain false flag op disguised as a Heavy Hillary Support site.

        CK,

        Preach! I’m glad I’m not alone in thinking this.

        • CK

          @ cee
          I am a cynic. a skeptic, a believer in the essential amorality of power and the concurrent essential amorality of the power hungry. To make it perfectly clear, there appear to be four people who could be presidential nominees at this instant in time. Senators Clinton and Obama for the democrats and Senator McCain and Ex-Gov Huckabee for the repubicans. I do not believe any of these four is fit to hold the highest elective office in the land, nor do I believe that any of these four is competent to handle the immense shitpile of a depression that is barreling at the USA. Still, one of them is most probably going to have to do it. I find McCain the most loathsome of the lot and Huckabee the most derisory. That leaves me with two probable choices for my vote, and this site is the only one I have found so far that actually has some commentators who bring some smarts to the table.
          I skim the Orange Satan every day and when Bonddad or Jerome A Paris posts I take the time to read and digest what they have to say.
          I read Xinhua every day to learn what America is doing in Asia, Al Jeezera to discover how we are screwing up the middle east, Asia Times online for a biased view of southeast asia, and anti war.com for the rest of the screwups.
          I do not expect my preferred candidate to be either a nominee or to be elected president but I go out into the real world every day to post signs and talk to folks about him. Funny that way, if elections really were important, they would be illegal; but without participating in the fraud one really doesn’t have much wiggle room to bitch about the results.
          My instinct tells me that mostly Larry is pro war if it is run “efficiently”, his issue is that the people running this set of wars is even more inept than the vietnam era clowns in uniform. I believe he was truly offended by what was done to Mrs. Wilson because it made it more difficult to promulgate the war. But as I said I am a cynic and a skeptic, seldom surprised unpleasantly and seldom confused into overestimating someone.

    • Nellie

      What exactly do you think Karl Rove has been doing the last few months with his time?

      Do you believe Fox News just suddenly decided they needed yet another Political Pundit?

      • CK

        I think Karl took a day or two to refresh himself and then set to work with the RNC to develop attack lines. He signed on with Fox as they are the republican propaganda wing, the job was waiting from the day the Bushes entered the white house. I suspect that Rove has already gone over every penny that his been donated to either probable dem candidate and has created the normal rovian smears to be released when he thinks it will best suit the Bush family.
        ANd I truly think that even Rove is perplexed at the tenacity of the committed Obama supporters just as he was perplexed at how Ron Paul could command all that money from so many small contributors and not control the contributors.
        The republicans hate mass movements and uncontrolled enthusiams. They remember 1964 and how the unexpected Goldwaterites took the convention away from the annointed Nelson. They remember just how efficient a communicator for Goldwater that Reagan was. They sucked up a drubbing that election and co-opted Reagan to front for the Bush interests and so it has been since 1983. A few years of tricky dick ( not a republican fave ever ) and the Carter interruption and since then it has been all Bush all the time. Rove is doing his job, creating a placeholder for either Jeb or more likely that younger cousin that GW likes to call 44.

  • Donovan Fraser

    this is a HUGE stretch,
    You could probably trace trace every dollar we put in our gas tank back to some terror funding dictator. No one and everyone is responsible for sending them money that could down the road be used to kill us. WE AMERICANS ARE FUNDING TERROR but conveniently we overlook this truth as we gas up the Hummer…..so just because someone gave Obama 200 dollars, it doesn’t put him in league with the devil. Besides, Obama was a child when The Weather Underground was up to no good.

    If we were honest as a country, pretty much everyone in our current administration should be in prison, yet NO ONE with any power granted by the constitution does anything about it but bitch ( the DEMS), or cover thine ass (the REP).
    Bitching didn’t get Nixon Impeached, action did.

    I truly don’t know who’s a better candidate (Obama or Hillary) but each of them hasn’t been in the sewer that is washington politics long enough (*in a position of power) to become the true criminals that our government seems to OPENLY groom for office. McCain on the other hand has…..

    • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

      “this is a HUGE stretch”

      That’s putting it mildly!

  • Aeon

    Sick of Obama bashing here.
    Sick of Hillary bashing there.

    You all have just proved how you are “no different” than the corporate owned press.

    Guess you just have different “owners”.

    I care about AMERICA – land of the once free and brave.

    Get back to the business of doing the right thing and restoring the RULE OF LAW – regardless of who is the Dem favorite please.

    It is NOT WHAT YOU or “they” say…
    IT IS WHAT YOU DO – that counts.

    ———-
    George Orwell wrote in 1946 that “political language. . . is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.”

    • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

      Well, WTH ever brought you here? I’m sick of feelgood stories about someone who would dance with the Palestinians seeing our government destroyed. This is one of a few places you won’t see a standing ovation for Obama’s weak Fred McMurray impression.

  • ybnormal

    The Election of Baggage

    It is time to get some clear answers to tough questions before the Democrats sell their soul to someone whose lapses in judgment will come back to haunt them in the fall.

    Larry, I think this last line says it all, and it really is the bottom line.

    Between today and late August, we’ll also witness other things like the Rezko trial, prosecuted by Fitzgerald (NOT known for sloppiness OR shyness). No predictions on that one yet, but if Democrats don’t ask the real tough questions of themselves now, the Republicans will ask the Un-real questions for the Democrats. If the Democrats are not on solid ground by the August convention, what will matter is not what is really true, but what has managed to stick to the wall.

    Also in August, since the Dem convention functions sort of like an electoral college on steroids, when push comes to shove the DNC can be expected to at least attempt to act in the interest of party survival, regardless of voter intention in the primaries. In 2008 this could play out in a way that makes 1968 look like a kiddie playground exercise.

    The issue will be, Clinton’s known “baggage” for which she has practice dealing with successfully, versus the Obama baggage being dealt with for the very first time; and how either one can be expected to play against McCain’s baggage.

    • Nellie

      Ybnormal,

      You have mapped out the future perfectly – IF we don’t start looking beneath the surface on Obama NOW!

      HIllary also – if there is anything left unvetted by the Corporate media.

  • vee

    I am not an Obama supporter, to put it mildly. The campaign contribution is a non-starter for me as far as having much significance. I would be interested though in more about their relationship. I have said this before and it is a trite expression, but Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  • brat

    I voted for Hiliary, but actually know of the Bill Ayers of 2008, since like it or not, Larry, he’s a respected prof in urban education (and has been willing to fight some critical organizational fights in AERA over race, gender and sexual orientation).

    So, this ad hoc analysis is just lame, totally lame. It’s starting to have the Jerry Falwell-esque “Clinton Chronicles” scare mongering odor to it. Furthermore, this Bush/GOP-like fear mongering fails to help Senator Clinton or the Democratic Party.

    • Xeno

      It may seem “lame” now, but when the repugs and the corporate media decide to go after it, it will suddenly become absolutely able-bodied. Remember, those are the same people who took a war hero’s exemplary service record and turned it into an indictment of his entire history and character. With material like this their efforts will make the swift-boating of Kerry look like a Sunday picnic.

      • CK

        Oh for lord’s sake the GOP is not superman and the justice league.
        Kerry did nothing to stand up for himself. He did the fetal position and hoped that some other dems would state his case.
        Look if you want a conspiracy try this on:
        Kerry and Bush were both Yale Skull and Bonesmen.
        To a Bonesman there is no higher loyalty than Bones. Kerry did what he had to do to allow S&B to prevail. He took a dive.
        I don’t see anything that suggests that either Hillary or Baruch is going to take a dive for InsaneMccain of Keating 5 fame.
        I have my doubts about Hillary’s attachment to the democratic party seeing as how she did jackshit to help elect Ned Lamont in CT when he was the dem nominee. I have my doubts about Obama’s attachment to the democratic party since he also did next to nothing to help Ned Lamont in CT. Shall we start from there? Neither of these two is PURE, neither is without blemish, and one of them is going to be the ONE come August. Your job should you decide it is worth your while is defeating McCain and the remnants of the neocon party. Is that too much to ask? More Better Democrats. 435 house seats the dems don’t hold all of them, 33 senate seats, a bunch of governorships. Those are the targets start now or play catchup starting in August. Whoever you dems decide deserves the honour of winning will be facing a faux hero, crook, torture sellout, mentally unbalanced, cancer ridden, old whore. Now stop it already with the circular clusterfuck and start working on the necessary demolition of the last 14 years of idiocy. 14 years of rethug dominance and the best you can do is whine that maybe obama isn’t the greatest thing since sliced bread so you are going to vote rethug.

        • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

          SBFT were being truthful, too. Kerry was a coward his whole life. He came back from Vietnam, and he called the men who served with him baby killers and rapists.

  • Chip

    I very much enjoy No Quarter but am starting to find your invective about Obama a bit over the top. I have no idea if he is, or is not, as good or as bad as some suggest. But one thing I know for sure is that he can’t be ‘bought’ for a measley $200. And I’m equally certain that he doesn’t have the capacity to sift through his donor lists to ensure that he’s not receiving money from jerks.
    I would like to pose a question, however, and I’m confident you’ll have already given the issue considerable thought: at what point in a nation’s slide to disaster is violent protest justifiable and appropriate? The Weather Underground was, as I understand it, objecting to the Vietnam War and racism. These were big issues in the 60′s, and although I was a kid at the time I distinctly recall believing that the war was unjustified and barbaric. I also well recall that the atmosphere surrounding the racism issue was highly charged and very deadly. It is only within the past few years that the murderers of a bunch of white university kids have been brought to justice. In a society in which murderers are immune from prosecution, how does one argue that violent protest is ALWAYS inappropriate? And to bring this question more current, how much farther must we descend before violent protest is justified today? Our President is, arguably, little better than a war criminal (and most certainly would be if he was the President of a smaller, less-powerful nation that had done the same thing); he’s an advocate of torture; and he’s demolishing the Constitutional Rights of American citizens. I presume there must be a point at which you’d say that violent protest may be an unfortunate necessity, no?

    • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

      Doesn’t the Constitution allow for citizens to overthrow the government under some circumstances? I seem to remember something like that somewhere.

      Not planning a revolution, just asking.

      • blt

        The Constitution was written by Terrorists.

        You don’t support The Terrorists, do you?

        • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

          The founders weren’t terrorists, idiot.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Doesn’t the Constitution allow for citizens to overthrow the government under some circumstances?
        I posted a quote a while back by Abe Lincoln who so stated it was the duty of Americans to do so under certian conditions.

      • ybnormal

        Technically it wouldn’t be overthrow if it was done Constitutionally.

        Articale 5 allows for Constitutional Ammendment. Ammendments can be done two ways. One is Congress proposes them and the states ratify. The second is that the states can hold a ‘Constitution Ammendment Convention’. Unless I’m mistaken, this has never been done.

        Theoretically, an Ammedment could be passed and ratified which is so extensive, it effectively replaces or eliminates the Constitution wholesale; but Congress has never passed any such proposal.

        TEXT:

        The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

      • WildChild

        no

    • Nellie

      Perhaps not just $200. But name the politician who DOES NOT know who their big contributors are? Name the politician who does not remember Bundlers, and all the people they meet at private fundraisers?

      I am over 60, and I have yet to meet this type of oblivious Political animal!

  • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

    Larry, is this the BEST you can do to tie Obama to terrorism?! A $200 contribution seven years ago from someone whose allege crime(s) – for which he has never been prosecuted despite the fact that he has been living an ordinary life out in the open – took place more than thirty years ago, and who has been living an ordinary life ever since?

    You’re not helping yourself here, Larry.

  • tr

    This web site just hit the tabloid level firmly. The only question is whether we are talking “New York Post” or “National Inquirer”. I don’t think the Post would sink this low.

    What’s next? “Obama’s Connection to Child Rapists”?

  • Mike Howell

    Barack Hussein Obama has spent nearly a million dollars buying superdelegates to Hillary Rodham Clinton’s nearly $200K.

    Does Auchi owe Obama a favor for trying to help him enter the U.S?

    Why would Obama go to Rezko’s business meetings with foreign investors?

    Are their dollars buying these superdelegates?

    • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

      Ah, the troll returns.

      • Mike Howell

        Gee shoephone/shurin et al –

        Why is it that you – and I do mean you – in the singular – have never answered these very basic questions re:

        1. Barack Hussein Obama and whether he helped Auchi enter the U.S.?

        2. What happens if Barack Hussein Obama is indicted for his Rezko dealings?

        3. Why does Barack Hussein Obama carry on about being a Christian – even spending thousands of dollars on ads?

        • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

          Hey Troll -

          Susan knows me personally. Go on and ask her if Shirin and I are the same person.

          Trying to deflect attention from your own troll behavior will not help you.

          • Mike Howell

            shoephone/shirin –

            I’m sure Susan had lunch with both of you. And you and your other names all sat in the same chair.

    • simon

      Barack Hussein Obama has spent nearly a million dollars buying superdelegates to Hillary Rodham Clinton’s nearly $200K.

      Does Auchi owe Obama a favor for trying to help him enter the U.S?

      Why would Obama go to Rezko’s business meetings with foreign investors?

      Are their dollars buying these superdelegates?

      And where do those investors get the money?

  • John

    Shirin, I agree. This is really scraping the bottom of the barrell for dirt. If this is the worst they’ve got, Obama’s a shoo-in for the nomination, and perhaps the presidency as well.

    Could it be the CIA is simply a tad nervous that a new guy with some independence might be their leader?

    • Sometime-CIA-Defender

      How is Obama independent when he’s taken so much money from the pharmaceutical companies?

      Anyone remember Shrub trying to get a law written for MANDATORY drugs? If a psychologist, doctor, or psychiatrist said you needed to take a pill, the government would make sure you did.

      God I wish I had bookmarked all of the stupid-ass stuff Bush tried to do over the years…

      • simon

        How is Obama independent when he’s taken so much money from the pharmaceutical companies?

        And Auchi owns a pharmaceutical company, as part of GMH.

        I’ll have to see if he’s contributed to Obama, through it.

    • Shirin (not an Obama supporter!)

      John, when you have to go this far to find something negative on someone it’s just time to move on to other subjects.

      Of course, it might be a welcome change to see this site with wall to wall “Why Hillary is great” posts instead of all this useless trash talk about Obama.

  • Mike Howell

    shoephone/shirin –

    Wow! Like it’s public knowledge that you and shirin and some of the other names on this site are one and the same, so everyone should know all about the fact that shoephone/shirin is really just an all around hater!

    You aren’t famous.

    • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

      I don’t aspire to be famous.

      But everyone here already knows you’re troll.

      • Mike Howell

        shoephone/shirin –

        So now you speak for everyone? How many of these names are you? Let me guess which ones …

  • Independent

    Obama Osama…

    LOL, you people crack me up.

    • Khan Krum

      Well, it is hard to tell them apart… they both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.

  • Radagast

    Oh Wow! A whole $200! and I’ll bet Obama whet on some domestic bombing missions with him too!

    Grow up Larry or go back to the Republicans .. you sure are acting like them.

  • Thomas Lees

    For God’s sakes, Larry! Get a life!

  • Subliminability

    McCarthite through and through!

  • Subliminability

    And also McCarthYite.

  • fumiste

    Obama’s supporters gleefully reminding voters of Hillary’s high negatives should reflect on who has been doing those “polls”.
    They should also reflect on why Obama won so many caucuses in Red States and so few primaries in Blue States.
    http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

  • fumiste

    I can’t believe it, NBC finally taking out some of the dirt swept under the rug. I thought they were saving it all for after Obama’s coronation:
    http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27031

  • An Jiaoshi

    Larry, my man, you’re usually on the mark, but this time you’re way, way off it. Calling Bill Ayers a terrorist makes as much sense as calling Obama a cokehead. In each case, it’s something unsavory that the person has admitted to doing when he was young and stupid. And while it’s true that Ayers has never been convicted for his crimes, you can’t say he hasn’t paid: he lost friends to a faulty bomb that blew up while they were making it, and he had to spend years in hiding; the only reason he wasn’t convicted was that the FBI crossed so many ethical and procedural lines gathering evidence against him that the case had to be thrown out. (This, BTW, is not a bad argument in favor of sticking to principle in the gathering of evidence against terrorism suspects who actually hurt people. Unlike Ayers’ group, who warned people away from the sites where they’d planted bombs and never killed anyone but themselves.)

    This raises an interesting philosophical question: If a former criminal mends his own ways, changes to the extent that he will never commit another crime again, is it necessary for society to have its revenge against him? Is the job of the criminal justice system already done, without the criminal justice system’s involvement? Is the purpose of the system to prevent crime, or to give society its catharsis?

    In any event, I daresay I have much stronger terrorist ties than Barack Obama, because I was one of Ayers’ students at UIC. What would you say about me if I ran for office, or the 200 other students in my master’s cohort, or all the students who came before and after? Are we all disqualified because he assigned us readings and wrote us letters of recommendation? Am I morally tainted because I’ve dined at his house?

    Personally, I don’t approve of what Ayers did in the ’70s — and he knows I don’t approve — but I do kind of understand it. That is to say, I can understand the sense of desperation that comes from living under an unresponsive war machine that’s hollowing out everything that used to be good about the government and the country. After all, I live under the Bush administration.

    Read “To Teach” (check it out from the public library, if you don’t want to fund terrorism) and ask yourself honestly whether it’s the work of a dangerous man.

    • Mike Howell

      An Jiaoshi –

      It’s wildly irresponsible for Barack Hussein Obama to knowingly keep donations from self-professed terrorists.

    • Denton

      At issue is not how long ago he was a terrorist but that he does not apologize for it and wishes he had been able to do more. YOUR REASONING is appalling!

  • Hesiod

    Larry. This is embarrassing. You are doing to Barack Obama what George W. Bush and Dick Cheney did to Joe and Valerie Wilson.

    Barack Obama was something like 8 or 9 years ol when Ayers was in the Weather Underground. And, at the time they first met in Chicao in the mid to late 90′s, Ayers was (and still is) a “Distinguished Professor of Education” at the University of Illinois-Chicago. It is highly likely Obama had no foggy clue of Ayers past.

    MOre to the point, at the time they first met, Ayers was doing a lot of work on at-risk Youth in the Chicago area. A cause whcih Obama also felt passionately about. It is no surprise they crossed paths or were on the Woods Foundaion board together under the circumstances.

    Wile it is true the GOP will attack Obama on this (they already are — ironically by citing your own articles!) Hillary has her own problems on this as well. Bill, her husband, commuted the sentences of two former members of the Weather Underground.

    So, sauce for the Gander…

    In any cae, this is just silly. The suggestion that Obama agrees with or condones what Ayers has said and done vis a vis Vietnam is utterly preposterous. And you should no better. One can only conclude that you are the conduit for the Clinton campaign’s oppo research sleaze operation so the campaign won’t get their hands directly dirty. Sad. Truly sad.

  • Mike Howell

    Hesiod –

    Has Barack Hussein Obama returned the donation? If not, he’s knowingly keeping funds from a self avowed terrorist. I don’t give a shit if he works with at risk boys – so does every other terrorist group.

    Universities all over the country do jackass things like letting this guy teach. I would not want him anywhere around children because he said that he doesn’t regret making bombs that ultimately were either designed to or did kill people including his own friends.

  • Larry Johnson’s Critical Thinking Skills

    Hey Larry, you dropped me a few weeks back – come and pick me up.

    Seriously Larry, just because you think Obama is getting soft treatment from the press doesn’t mean you should peddle this crap, no matter where it comes from. I mean get a grip ffs.

    • Mike Howell

      I’m dead set against bombing abortion clinics, federal buildings, cars – you name it.

      Larry isn’t the one with a problem here. You should be institutionalized.

      Good to know what the average Obama voter finds acceptable.

    • Simon

      Seriously Larry, just because you think Obama is getting soft treatment from the press doesn’t mean you should peddle this crap, no matter where it comes from. I mean get a grip ffs.

      Kinda of on Pluto, today?

      Oh, too bad.

      Watch yourself, you don’t want to make any bad decisions, now…

      heh.

      heh.

    • Simon

      Seriously Larry, just because you think Obama is getting soft treatment from the press doesn’t mean you should peddle this crap, no matter where it comes from. I mean get a grip ffs.

      Ah, you’re on Pluto today.

      Again?

      (sigh)

      Watch yourself, don’t make any bad decisions, make sure your reality is your own.

      heh.

      heh.

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  • Shawn

    This is pure trash–and racist at that. stop it–just stop it and remove this junk from the internet.

  • Letty

    Obama has said he played dirty politics in Ill. so I guess he can outwit all of us. His mother was an athiest, but she taught him all religions. This means he can be clever in his dealings with all of us. People in the middle east have a lot of money and want to attack our economy. How do we know this is not a plan to gain control of the rest of the country. You know Big Brother could take over easily. Just cut off all the social security checks and Federal Govt. I do not trust this guy. People better take a close look and not be deceived by his chatter.

  • Evergreen2U

    WOW! a whole $200???!!!! and it was so recent….only 7 years ago????!!!!

    And this “terrorist” is actually a professor of education now????!!!!! And he and Obama live in the same town, serve on the same board, and are friends???!!!! Scary stuff….

    What a passel of smeary, smelly garbage this is.

    • Denton

      ere’s what should bother EVERYONE. Obama is not a terrorist but he has a FUNDAMENTAL lack of judgement. At some point in his work with Ayers on that board he learned who Ayers was and what he did. He probably knew from the beginning.

      Obama is guilty by association because he chose to stay on the board while knowing that Ayers was an American Terrorist. Any person of conviction would have said ‘thanks but no thanks, I chose not to work with this man.’ If for no other reason than to protect his reputation and career.

      I DO NOT TRUST OBAMA FOR THIS SINGLE REASON. It is well documented and he made a conscious decision.

      WE CANNOT LET A MAN LIKE THIS RUN OUR COUNTRY.

    • Khan Krum

      IN FOR A PENNY, IN FOR A POUND.

  • Evergreen2U

    Even if this was purportedly written in the name of prevention of later damage…it is now being smeared thickly across the blogosphere.

  • Shirley

    Please people vote for Hillary. We do not need toput Obama in the White House with his terrorist friends

  • Bri

    This all makes sense.

    Obama’s wife was not proud of Americans during and after 911… only when her husband is winning.

    Obama will not salute the flag.

    Worked 3 years with a terrorist.

  • Bri

    Obama is not a practicing Muslim.

    However his father is a Muslim and according to the Koran, if your daddy was a Muslim, then you are a Muslim.

    He is not a practicing crack smoker anymore) either.

  • Jd

    OH MY GOD, OBAMA IS BLACK?

  • yonaton

    Anyone affilliated with the PLO is an enemy not only of Israel, but of the USA, because the PLO advocates the destruction of the USA as much as it does that of Israel. As you can read in the link given, the AAAN was “Founded by anti-Israel professor Rashid Khalidi, former director of the PLO press agency and onetime moderator of PLO advisory committee.”

    Here’s a little more on the Obama-Khalidi connection.

  • Ssuie Power

    hillary and bill don’t need us .we need hillary and bill to bring america out of debt and back to the good way of life like it was when bill was president.

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  • Justin

    You must be joking right? This is the weakest evidence I have seen, even weaker then those WMDs we found. I bet some criminals have posted comments on this blog, you are associating with criminals! lol

  • Brian

    I found this blog by way of a link on a friend’s group section on their facebook profile. The group is called “nobama 08″. Without justly attacking the group for such a nearsighted and bigoted name and profile, I have reserved my comments for the readers and creator of this blog.
    At first I thought this was a joke. I just had my lunch break from work and during my break i watched the World’s Most Amazing Videos! The guy’s tone on the show is something like this: “even though that kitten scratched him to shreds and left him for dead in the middle of a crowded shopping mall with noting but his blood to comfort him, onlooking shoppers rushed to his aid and phoned the paramedics. Lucky for him this will not be his last ‘scratch’ at life’”. The key here is the ridiculousness of the events and cold hard facts (obviously my story is merely a dramatic recreation).
    The tone of the show is synonymous with this blog. I thank the friendly writer for his gumption and attempt at nonfiction drama. But maybe that class didn’t go too well at the community college, eh?So you think that Obama has strong ties to former terrorists or maybe even… (gasp) has had under the table dealings with them. News flash: He’s from Chicago, jack off!And furthermore… how naive can you be to assume that there is any politician in the upper echelons of American Politics who has not bribed or been bribed to get where they are? Do you think that your boy McCain decided to run for president while he most honorable withstood the torture of waterboarding in ‘Nam’. No. It was probably one early sunday morning during Bill Clinton’s presidency as McCain was surrounded by droves of prostitutes(one dead of course), strippers, drug dealers, and corrupt politicians who all bemoaned Bill Clinton’s time in office (no pun intended)….And then he went to church and wrapped himself with the American flag while clutching hopelessly to the cross where he vowed to undertake the presidency.
    Your facts are weak. WEAK. Aside from being a former terrorist Ayers TEACHES AT ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED SCHOOLS IN THE WORLD! So i guess you’re saying that in between classes and educating some of the finest minds in the country he builds pipe bombs on top of the national honor society banner he has strewn across his desk and then calls his ol chum Obama and together they run it over to Hilary’s, or worse, McCain’s house.This is one of the most ridiculous blogs I’ve ever read. And what’s worse is that you take yourself seriously! Good luck with life and the conspiracy theory. I bet you and Mel Gibson would get along great. (Seen the movie?)Maybe you could read my constructive criticism during your weekly installment ‘Tracking the Terrorists and How Obama’s Getting in Our Way’ on youtube????? If you don’t have this little novelty I’ve mentioned , you should really check into it. Maybe it would be a good way to rally more people as ignorant as yourself.

  • sprice

    this blog makes no since.
    your making senator obama guilty by association.

    I was a soldier who defended the U.S. i am a law abiding citizen.
    My younger brother who i love dearly is a multi felon. serving five years. does that make me a felon too?

    I worked at a golf community where a very nice lady who lived there whom i knew fairly well and have been to her house on a few occasions.

    she was arrested for having sex with a fifteen year old boy. does that make me a statutory rapist by association?

    my neighbor from three doors down just went to jail for prostitution. she and I talk when we drop the kids off at the bus and i sometimes bring her son home from school after practice. i’d say that she and i have a decent neighborly relation ship. does that mean that i agree with prostitution?

    the answer to all these questions is no. there is no such thing as guilt by association. if that were the case, wouldnt our federal government be on trial for supporting bin laden 20 years ago? or maybe dick cheney for having a political relationship with saddam hussein.

    • Hoodamanow

      personally as I see it our federal government be on trial for supporting bin laden 20 years ago? or maybe dick cheney for having a political relationship with saddam hussein. Is a Very Good Idea but dont leave our Bush And Gulliani, hell the list is endless

  • Hoodamanow

    I think this man is speculating. Althought I agree Obama is highly suspect but then are not all the candidates. From what i have traced most of the candidates in the past several elections are all cousins. In the eighties they wrote books how this family line was looking for relations around the world to place each in a position of power. I dont think it really matters who gets in they all work for the same side. It is Them and US. Rememeber con artist believe tell a fool any lie long enough it becomes fact and excepted as truth in the eyes of the subjects. Unfortunantly they think we are stupider and worth less then a Box of rocks. And they might be right. We fight wars thin populations and they reap the benefits. We inslave ourselves. Donald Rumsfeld announced the day before 911 that the pentigon has lost and was unaccounted for 2.3 TRILLION Dollars. The next day the towers where hit and no one mentioned it but as a late night side comment. The Towers had vaults of Gold and silver which the president would like us to believe evaperated.. ha! EVer watch the Movie ” Wag the Dog” with Dustin Hoffman. Keep the peoples eyes some where else .. No matter what, they intend to raise taxes 2010 No matter what they intend to illiminate the middle class leaving the very wealthy and the very poor, just as France did which caused in The Peasant wars of 1500′s. They talked about all this nationally for 30 years prior to 911.. Agendas and conspiracies but the ppl rather be lied to because of their own fears. Slaves killing slaves only thins the unwanted the over burdening masses. War only serve the rich! They believe without war the economy will collapse. Now the Are trying to pass a domestic terorrism law H.R. 1955. Protesting will be seen as an act of terrorism. Now add the first bill Bush passed the Marshal law bill and the ratification of arms in an emergancy bill..Hello.. Killing does not teach society that killing is wrong killing does not bring freedom. The sorrow at the loss is devistating now u add more then one family member or many in one neighborhood of Innocient OOPS casualties of war? Is it reeally or deliberate killing? It only serves to frustrate the frightened steal Hope and kill the oppressed. If we set down all guns and military weapons today The wealthiest Go broke over night. But that would mean real sacrifies by the ppl as well. Each person will have to ask themselves which is more important wealth at the cost of a life of another, mass murder for Oil and drug testing or compassion, peace, a clean conscience ?

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  • taylor

    WOW, So if my best friend kills someone then I too am a murderer by association.

  • taylor

    The Anti Obama FREAKS never stop. The only bad thing here is that there are alot of idiots out there that will believe this stupidity. They voted for Bush twice.

    • Mike

      Shut it

  • Dr. J

    Barak Obama’s connections to figures like Hatam El-Hady, William Ayers and Rezko are all, now, matters of public record. The media declines these terrorist / criminal / treasonable connections in their reporting on the candidates. Nevertheless, they don’t go away. People like us (Americans who believe in truth, integrity and honesty) will be considering these Obama ties REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE LIBERAL MEDIA DECIDES TO REPORT. After all, they’re too busy clouding the issues with dirt on Sarah Palin; their “dirt” boils down to Palin’s choice of the size of her family and the fact that her teenage daughter is pregnant. Of course, fair reporting agencies like Fox News continue to point out the absurdity of such attacks. The mainstream media has, in their reporting, cut their own throat and tipped the scales in the polls for McCain and Palin. But what’s really happening in the holistic view of the candidates is more important: Barak Obama has succeeded thus far in catapulting himself almost to the level of a Ghandi or M.L. King largely on his charisma and the empty rhetoric of “change.” Since Sarah Palin’s speech the public’s Obama hypnosis has been broken long enough for the Democratic nominee’s platform of policies to FINALLY come into question. Bill O’Reilly is exposing the doubletalk and circular reasoning Obama uses to create this bubble of invulnerability around himself. The average American wants truth and honesty. Palin not only demonstrates these things in her record of public office, she just cannot help appearing REAL. That’s because she IS as she appears. Now perhaps some of Obama’s ties to terrorists and criminals will become matters as closely scrutinized as Palin’s children or the media lies that fuel the current anti-Republican attitude. The two main issues have already been proven false, namely the “loss” of the war in Iraq and the “failing” economy. We are going to be okay, whatever happens. But I, for one, will not even CONSIDER a candidate with Obama’s closet issues when I have a choice in McCain and Palin. I’d rather have a warrior-king (even if he IS aging) than a rising star that portends disaster. After all, Beowulf killed his dragon in old age. I’d have to go with the Republicans on this one: the election can’t be about popularity. That facade will come down. The truth has a very consistent ability to rise through the rhetoric and reveal all. Obama’s choices (whether he’s directly or indirectly connected to terrorists and criminals) will have to be part of his gilded package, and his image is already fast fading.

  • Dr. J

    This election is no longer a personality campaign, or a matter of political affiliation. Now it’s FINALLY about the leadership of this country.

  • rob

    haha right. a terrorist studied at columbia and was president of the hardvard law review, in addition to having been a civil rights attorney and taught constitutional law courses at the universit of chicago law school. right. terrorist hmmm.

    even further, for those of you who want to doubt he did those things and make up crazy theories for it: i took his course, the guy is gushing with knowledge about the constitution. he had the whole class and school amazed by his knowledge and commitment to understanding the constitution. it was inspiring.

  • Marc Margolis

    Forgotten in the story is how Obama plans to turn the United States of America into the United Socialist States of America allied with Russia and Iran!!!

  • Denton

    EVERYONE SHUT-UP AND LISTEN FOR A MINUTE!

    Here’s what should bother EVERYONE. Obama is not a terrorist but he has a FUNDAMENTAL lack of judgement. At some point in his work with Ayers on that board he learned who Ayers was and what he did. He probably knew from the beginning.

    Obama is guilty by association because he chose to stay on the board while knowing that Ayers was an American Terrorist. Any person of conviction would have said ‘thanks but no thanks, I chose not to work with this man.’ If for no other reason than to protect his reputation and career.

    I DO NOT TRUST OBAMA FOR THIS SINGLE REASON. It is well documented and he made a conscious decision.

    WE CANNOT LET A MAN LIKE THIS RUN OUR COUNTRY.

    • A Vote for McCain is 4 More of the Same

      A man like what?

      I don’t buy the idea that having associated with a person of questionable character is an automatic black mark on your own character. It only matters if you’ve knowingly participated in the questionable things that they’ve done, or endorsed those things. Association on this level is not endorsement.

  • Donnie Boston

    You disgraced and disgusting brain-dead liberals hate to hear the truth. If any other candidate, whether Democrat or Republican had such ties with a terrorist bomber, they wouldn’t be in the position where Obama is now in the election.

    The only reason why this degrading individual is where he is, is because he is black. Period.

    • A Vote for McCain is 4 More of the Same

      Sure. Being black in America puts one at such a tremendous advantage…

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        It helped people get loans they weren’t qualified for. Sue for discrimination.

    • Darcey

      very true

  • Stacey

    So how about Barack Obama’s friendship with the two most notorious and unrepentant terrorists of the ’60s and ’70s? BERNADINE DOHRN praised the Manson Family in 1969 and BILL AYERS who bombed the Pentagon the next year. A generation later, they’re intimates of the man who would be president…no biggy?

    Let’s not forget REV. JEREMIAH ‘Hatemonger’ WRIGHT….”GOD D*** AMERICA”..etc. etc. etc….and don’t forget that other ‘holyman’ REV. MICHAEL PHLEGER…sheesh! ……and the church Obama sat in for 20 years, was married in, had his children baptized in…don’t forget that church gave their “Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award” to a man it said “truly epitomized greatness” That man is LOUIS FARRAKHAN…Maybe for Wright and some others, Farrakhan ‘epitomized greatness”. For most Americans, though, Farrakhan epitomizes racism, particularly in the form of anti-semitism.He has compiled an awesome record of offensive statements, lies…etc.

    Next on the list is Chicago lawyer MAZEN ASBAHI, Sen. Barack Obama’s Muslim-outreach coordinator, who resigned August 5, 2008, “amid questions about his involvement in an Islamic investment fund and various Islamic groups,” the Wall Street Journal reported 8-6-08.

    ,,,and how about his long time friendship with convicted felon TONY REZKO….hmm?

    ..and….how about…. RASHID KHALIDI, Columbia University professor and co-founder of the Arab group, The Arab American Action Network, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.

    and…FRANKLIN RAINES, who made mega-millions for himself while mismanaging Fannie Mae into a financial disaster, is one of Obama’s advisers.

    …and the list goes on..

    Obama surrounds himself with scumbag friends and associates but he ain’t one of them…yeah right! Wake-up people! Our Beloved Country is at stake!

    • julie m

      Amen!

  • http://www.oliveyou.net Chloe

    Interesting, but it doesn’t say they are friends. Have you ever given a political donation? It’s done by computers and credit cards. The candidate never sees the name or money. That info is only kept for archives. The money goes directly to an account. It’s not like someone walks up and hands them cash. They don’t have control over who gives what. That doesn’t really mean anything. How can Obama block only certain people from donating money?

    I think it is a good thing! If a terrorist gives away $200, then that is $200 they don’t have to buy bombs.

    If Obama were to give money to a terrorist, then that would be a big deal. But the other way around is no big deal. If Obama donates to McCain, does that make McCain a democrat?

    I once had an ex-convict murderer in my business class. I was a little uneasy and tried to keep my distance, but that doesn’t make me a murderer. And I’m not going to quit just because some dope enrolled.

  • Luthiel

    Welcome to the new McCarthyism. I honestly don’t know what’s worse — this blog’s lies or its blatant misrepresentations. Good luck with your fear politics and your dreams for a fascist American theocracy.

    • Soldier of Christ

      OMG- another troll or are these Obama’s ex-roommate
      Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from
      Pakistan.

      A children story told after the election:

      “as the door close, the young brown man rushed to the floor to bow down to his Allah. It has been awhile since he paid respect to Allah. As he bowed he said “Allah, I will avenge you, I will kill the children of Yeshua, and the children of Abram. He rises his head up and started singing the prayer call to prayer, the most lovely words that he has ever heard. He got up from the floor secretly and open to see if anyone saw him, but, there was no-one. He lit up a ciggy and brushed off the dirt from his knees thinking that no-one could see through his deceit. But, the children of Yeshua did.

    • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

      “Fascist American theocracy”

      Who supports faith-based initiatives? OBAMA

      Who has supported fraudulent elections? OBAMA

      Who has sided overwhelmingly with corporate power? OBAMA

      Who has condoned and participated in rampant sexism throughout this campaign? OBAMA

      Whose political career was built on rampant cronyism and corruption? OBAMA

      Who associates with America-hating radicals, felons and political agitators? OBAMA

      Who spent their formative years in an actual fascist regime (Indonesia under Suharto)? OBAMA

      Whose vote in the Illinois senate against protecting the lives of infants who survived abortions showed an appalling disdain for the recognition of human rights and was essentially the torture of innocent babies? OBAMA

      Who does the American controlled mass media almost unilaterally support? OBAMA

      Who created their own creepy Presidential seal, went abroad and behaved as the POTUS, even to the point of violating the Logan Act, had their seat on their jet embroidered with their own logo, has their plans for a Civilian National Security Force, refused to place their hand over their heart during the Pledge of Allegiance or wear a flag pin honoring our troops because that would be false patriotism? OBAMA

      IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT FASCISM LOOKS LIKE, MAYBE THAT IS WHY YOU SUPPORT OBAMA.

  • Tim

    This is just laughable. ALL politicians will take money from whoever will give it. Accepting a donation does not mean he is buddy-buddy with any of them. It simply means they donated money to him, nothing more. Your fear and hate mongering is just amazing.

    We all [should] know ALL politicians are questionable. Obama is no different. But in the lesser of evils decision that is this election (and every other election before or after) there is no question that Obama should win.

    There are even more questions about McCain. He has flip flopped on just about every issue worth discussing. I actually voted for him during the primary, but he has gone back on so many statements in the last 12 months that I want nothing to do with him. I have no doubt if he wins McCain will be the next Nixon.

  • NobaDee

    This election is going to boil down to whomever manipulates the most idiots before November. People in America are careless and naive. Rather than doing fact finding on their own, they completely rely on the media as their number one source for all information. I can tell you right now; in the mainstream media almost all information is skewed to benefit or attack someone. I think Fox is the only network that isn’t totally corrupt, yet.

    The liberal mainstream media created their own Frankenstein Monster with Obama; in order to evoke all of their desires for socialist upheaval on the world. They have successfully brainwashed a large portion of the country with ideas of grandeur. I’ve heard far too many people say they don’t like Palin because of her accent. I’ve even seen Obama supporters who out right HATE her in utter disgust, simply because she is real. I guess some people seriously enjoy fairy tales.

    America needs major reform from the inside out. The social structure is weakening as bad as the economy. Obama has been busted hanging out with extremists time and time again. His involvements with these people are constantly down played by the media in an attempt to keep their brain child safe. Because I despise the media; I therefore have no choice but to despise their pet Obama. Face it; they created him. He was nothing before the media got their hands on him. If he were to loose this election to McCain he would vanish off the face of the earth over night. If he has anyone to blame for him failing in this election it is because his media pampered him far too much.

    I have never been a McCain supporter; but, comparing him to Obama is like Eisenhower to Hitler. You know, Hitler was pretty charismatic too; the media fueled that monster to power. History may come full circle once again. Desperate people have a tendency to swallow up garbage filled filibustering.

    • billyo

      Nobadee,

      CAN YOU SAY KEATING FIVE? Will you elect a man that signed a statement in Vietnam that DENOUNCED HIS COUNTRY?

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        Provide a link for this signed statement or STFU. I dount the North Vietnamese kept McCain around for five years or sent him home barely able to walk, because he was so cooperative and unpatriotic. You’re scum.

  • billyo

    Sarah (the shill) Palin is nothing more than a disposable attack dog for the GOP, designed to allow McCain to appear ‘above the slime’. Unfortunately, she’s not informed enough to know that her attacks were already disarmed when Obama addressed the shirttail relationship with Ayres back in APRIL with Stephanopolis, while she was still out shooting Wolves from a helicopter. She is like a parrot… Rove feeds it to her and she repeats it without even knowing what she is saying. All these attacks do is inspire shouts from the crowd like ‘kill him’ or ‘he’s a terrorist’ when referring to Obama. Is that what we want in in our politics? This is a United States Senator. You don’t get there without some serious vetting from the public and the opposition party. Cut the slime!

    • Soldier of Christ

      Yeah a Senator of the United States- that uses african americans minorities to steal elections and I am sure he won’t be taking them out of jail. “I didn’t know that person- under one under the bus!” And as for the pitbull- it must be bothering you- otherwise, you a surrogate of Obama, would not be on this blog hiding your identity.

    • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

      All veeps are attack dogs. Sarah Palin isn’t disposable, because she has been mentioned along with Bobby Jindal of LA, Eric Cantor of VA and Tim Pawlenty of MS as prominent GOP newcomers. She was seen as a rising star with a future in the party. And she shores up conservative support for McCain, where he was seen as weak before, so that he can appeal to Independents and moderates i.e. swing voters.

      Obama never sufficiently explained Ayers and has yet to do so. After that Stephanopoulis grilling, Obama refused to do any more debates and flipped off Hillary at a NC rally. He knew the question of Ayers hurt his election chances. McCain needs to keep hitting harder and tie Obama to this economic crisis, too. He is doing it now, and he and Palin need to keep doing it and release the big guns.

  • Fesha

    i think that obama is great.
    and not every one is perfect so who ever hasnt made a mistake in there life is going to have to face one soon.
    so if ur going to hold that against him then thats really mest up!!!!

    • Soldier of Christ

      You don’t happen to be Obama’s ex-roommates from college, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan. I understand they are in charge of his internet blogging. Or are they paying you to come in here to say idiot things.

    • PS

      What we’re holding against him is his pattern of mistakes, his pattern of associations, his pattern of decisions…..your past holds the key to your future. We ALL have made mistakes, some more than others. But the point with Obama is that it is not a mistake of the life choices he has made. It is not a mistake he just happens to know Ayers.

      You sound young by your spelling and my wish is for you to look past the dressed up speeches & smooth talk and do your homework as to who this man really is & those that are backing him. Obama is not as great as you think he is…

  • page

    Well im not voteing for someone who has anything in common with Osama bin laden. Both he and Obama know someone who bombed the Pent. The other reason people wont vote for Obama is hes got his own channel on Dish TV 24hrs a day Obama this Obama that dont you think hes paying alot of money To get a Job that pays 700,000 a year i mean if he realy cared about us why couldent he have been raiseing money and helping the poor.
    Who is this Obama Have we ever had a cantidate we know so little about. do any of you know how he got to be a State Sen. Basicaly it was by Default not becase he was number 1 choice.

  • Kelly

    Will you really elect a president who graduated 899th out of 899 students from a naval academy?
    Will you really elect a vice president who graduated with a major is sports journalism?

    Obama graduated from Columbia, that’s an Ivy League School by the way, and from Harvard Law second in his class.

    Palin is a pretty okay governor but I’ll be damned if I want her as my next vice pres. and more than likely when McCain has a heart attack, my next president. Watch the debates people, every time she’s asked a question she replies with “oh I don’t know but McCain and I will figure it out.” Oh really? How? She says our economy is financially strong. Really? How so? The stock market is falling 500 points every day. And yet she says our economy is strong because we have strong workers. Well that’s really great but if we don’t have strong jobs to support these strong workers our economy isn’t really that’s strong. She wants to push her and McCain being mavericks and her being a six-pack mom, but you know she actually answered a question the other night in the debate with “Oh I don’t know because I’ve only been at this for 5 weeks, but we’ll figure it out.” What? Come on, the only people who would vote for these two clowns are crazy and/or uneducated.

    • Soldier of Christ

      I guess you guys forgot that President Carter was a peanut owner and didn’t have it all there and he was elected. Palin is very smart- not too many women with 5 children, a marriage, running a country could stay so beautiful and so bright. Most people that are jealous of her are in three categories: One- they are scare that she outshine Obama– Two: they are men who are male chav pigs. Third: They are ugly women or vile women who hate ” goodness”.

    • Eurogirl70

      and George W. Bush went to Yale and Harvard Business School……

      What is your point exactly? There are questions that Obama did not fully matriculate at Columbia but rather was enrolled at Occidental College and took classes at Columbia as part of a program. We don’t know specifics because while every other candidate for president has had to produce grades, pee samples, birth certificates; Obama has produced nothing.

      As for Harvard…..all members of the Law Review are editors. There is a President of the law review, of which Obama was. Obama was not tops in his law class and the year he got onto the Harvard Law Review, the school was trying to afford more opportunities to minority students by allowing them to participate in a writing contest, of which 40 were chosen to be on the Law Review; Obama being one. While an editor on the law review, he wrote nothing, which begs the question whether Obama himself actually wrote the submitted article for the contest that got him a place on the law review in the first place, being that he produced only one very heavily edited note during that time.

      By the way….there were (2) other AA men on the Harvard Law Review. One in 1922 and the other in 1930. They got their because they were in the top 10th percentile of their respective law classes.

      Thurgood Marshall was AA and graduated first in his class at Howard Law School. He was lead counsel for the NAACP. He argued Brown vs. The Board of Education before the United States Supreme Court. He became this country’s first AA member of The Court.

      Clarence Thomas is AA. He graduated from Yale Law School.

      Is Justice Thomas to be interchangeable with Justice Marshall merely because they were/are both AA?

      Thomas couldn’t wipe the spittle from Justice Marshall’s chin. Marshall was in a class all his own.

      I will be damned if I am going to vote for Bush III

      • Dr. Kate

        pssst. Obama is Bush III. FISA, Iraq funding, faith based initiatives, egocentric, etc.

    • Zorro Astor

      Will you really elect a president who graduated 899th out of 899 students from a naval academy?

      You mean over Obama as the alternative? You need to ask? ;)

    • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

      As Bill Buckley famously said, “I’d rather be governed by the first 2000 names in the Boston phone book than by the dons of Harvard.”

  • mike

    grow up guys

  • ryan

    rofl, barrack obama had horrible grades in high school, it’s a joke that he got into any kind of good school. I call if affirmative action BS if not worse. Liberals are funny when they’re not in power.

  • Nick

    Obama is just down-right scary.

    I know a lot of you may not like Rush, but he is dead on in this transcript

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_101008/content/01125106.guest.html

  • Jay

    i’ll take Ms Jane than mr radical Obama…

  • samb

    I feel on the Ayers issue Obama puts a face on, that he just doesn’t understand why we should be concerned and I say to Obama one simple word WHY thats all WHY its not a hard thing, it doesn’t take a college education to answer. why is it such a hard thing for Obama to understand. We go though life trying to do the right thing WHY MAKE THIS MAN YOUR FRIEND, THIS MAN OR ANY OF THE LOONEY PEPOLE YOU KNOW,WHY MAKE THEM YOUR FRIENDS. ITS SIMPLE OBAMA WHY?

  • noepiphany

    posted this just now on another thread, but then realised that new threads were up. OT – sorry – but:

    you can tell how much the fix is in when you see david brooks, o’reilly, kathleen parker and the likes coming out for BO, if not directly, then by attacking palin. from the moment palin was chosen by mccain o’reilly instantly put out the BO talking point that she had no experience!!! what a laugh, when you compare her experience to that of BO’s.

    also remember when BO chose biden as VP and the corpmedia immediately had hagel, lugar and specter praising the move big-time. the story was in all the corpmedia even before any dem praised the choice.

    fox didn’t do a poll for the last presidential debate, so murdoch press worldwide were quoting the ridiculous cnn and cbs polls as if they were legit.

    the public’s trust in the corpmedia hit rock-bottom years ago and hasn’t gone up since. you are now fighting not against BO but against the corpmedia and those they represent.

    it wouldn’t matter what mcpalin say or do, the corpmedia will twist it against them, so mcpalin should just keep up the good fight. conversely, it doesn’t matter how hideous BO is or what dirty tricks his campaign employs, the corpmedia will spin it to his advantage.

    no way do the corpmedia and their bosses want a reformer in the white house. NO WAY.

    things to clean up after Nov 4 if/when mcpalin win:

    the electoral process, including primaries which should be held on the same date countrywide, no caucuses, no cross-voting, etc.

    re-regulate the media, especially as regards election coverage.

    how come every word out of a candidate’s mouth results in a billion words from the so-called ‘pundits’ and ‘commentators’.

    it is ludacris!

    • http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com InsightAnalytical-GRL

      Charles Krauthammer is another one getting warm and fuzzy with Obama’s style and a pessimistic view of McCain…

      Why don’t these people focus on Obama and stop criticizing McCain? That goes for Laura Ingraham as well…They’re undermining him…although I think he’s doing that to himself, too… and that’s what they are picking up…

  • Rah-Rah

    Just checked in for a minute and I see that Obama supporters are out in full force. They must be terrified. It always happens this way when they’re spinning in circles over their candidate – yet, again – being revealed.

    Did you really think that people would not start paying closer attention to Obama’s associations at this stage of the contest? Naive, much? Senator Clinton knew it. She tried to get the DNC to pay attention, but they screwed up and nominated an unelectable candidate (again).

    Keep on commenting, Obamaphiles, it will help the Republicans sleep well tonight.

    • Zorro Astor

      They’re panicking! ;)

    • Andrew

      I hope you are right! No one is talking about Ayers on the news though. No one is talking about Rezko. No one is talking about Wright. No one is talking about Acorn. It sucks!!!!

      • Dr. Kate

        who are you, perry logan in disguise?

        CNN, fool, reporting on ACORN. Other channels focusing on Ayers. Stop freaking out and get busy.

  • noepiphany

    also wanted to say something about polls suggesting some republicans are going to vote for BO. really!

    when a jeremiah wright video first got covered, remember no-one in the corpmedia, including fox, included the bit where wright named giuliani. they didn’t use it cos they wanted it to be seen as only an attack on HRC. the corpmedia did not even put up a transcript.

    the only transcript i ever saw was at townhall and i’m not putting the link here because somehow there’s a problem putting up urls. you can do search of jeremiah wright giuliani townhall to find it. here is the excerpt:

    ““ Folks are hatin’ on Barack Obama. He doesn’t fit the mold, he ain’t white, he ain’t privileged. Hillary fits the mold. Europeans fits the mold. Giuliani fits the mold. Rich, white men fit the mold.”

    if mccain doesn’t want to go after jeremiah wright, some 527 should put out an ad with this particular excerpt played over and over again.

  • noepiphany

    will post the link without http:// in front. just add that at the beginning of the following:

    townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/03/13/controversial_video_of_obamas_radical_pastor

  • ame

    The media has McCain boxed in. If he plays nice like they want him to, he loses. If he brings up Obama’s shady relationships, the media calls him a racist and that in itself could make him lose. I think he needs to risk it and tell the truth regardless of what the msm calls him; he has to take that chance.

    • Elle

      So true! All night on CNN they have implied that McCain has angry,vile supporters and that it is McCain’s and Palin’s fault for igniting it by negative statements and falsehoods.The pretty much said it is all over for him and he stands little chance to win the race.Their concern lies in BO’s security and that racist attacks are McCains blame.
      Sad how because the media fails to tell the truth and offer vital facts about BO’s shady dealings.
      It is the same media who puts the finger on McCain and supporters for attacking BO’s character.
      Today he had to put people in place who expressed
      fear of an Obama presidency and he had to talk positively because every camera is watching his every move on this.
      I agree with you ,he can not be paralyzed.Let him broadcast the truth.He is the only one who can set the record straight.

      • ame

        Pat Buchanan made a good point on Hardball. He said that if it were a Republican politician hanging out with a former Abortion Clinic Bomber, Matthews would be all over the story. He also said to Matthews that he forgives him for being a surrogate for Obama. Buchanan is great; he always gets the best of Matthews like the time he said to Matthews “its all running down his leg” instead of the “thrill up the leg.” If you haven’t seen it, it’s definite must see. Check it out below. Also the second clip is pretty funny too. Matthews is ridiculous.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9BJwKA8nkU

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIBimWDkJUI

        • Elle

          Too funny ,Thanks

      • SensibleWomanNOTforBO

        I believe McCain’s message TO US is TO REMAIN CIVILIZED. We already KNOW who ISN’T.

        Let THEM be the ones to BREAK!

    • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

      No one gives a flying fig about racism anymore. We’re sick of hearing about it whenever a serious question of Obama’s character comes up. Remember that GD pastor who Obama could no more disown than black Americans? Uh huh.

      • ame

        Obama has played the race card one too many times for political gain. I’m surprised that it hasn’t affected his poll numbers.

        • SensibleWomanNOTforBO

          I, too, am sick of the race card and fully understand your stance. As far as the pastor…who could forget? I believe there was a MUCH bigger subtle influence when that was revealed.

          I do believe we have to keep any fear in check and under control. My point being we are STRONGER in that respect.

          Poll numbers…I have no faith in them. There’s way too many people out there that are smart enough not to be straight about where they stand to some stranger on the phone that has called THEM (obviously could have enough info to locate them). I, for one, won’t even answer the phone if I don’t recognize the number on the caller ID.

          Couple that with the nuanced questions being asked. So, reliable? Not in my opinion.

  • ame

    Is the bloomberg story online? I didn’t see it when I clicked on the link

  • Khan Krum

    I sense that Larry’s touched a nerve this evening with those who fear their Manchurian Candidate is being exposed.

    • Arabella Trefoil

      True.

  • Zimeeisme

    Does anyone else see the leading news stories on ABC, MSNBC and CNN? They are ALL negative toward McCain/Palin and positive to Obama!

    What is going on?? I have been seeing this for weeks…no fairness. Nothing on Acorn, very little on Ayers. We are talking voter fraud! My husband says to just turn it all off but that is like putting your head in the sand.

    It is all so unfair and disgusting. I can hardly take it anymore. So many just don’t care and these news outlets skew everything. I am so angry to the point of screaming, but also so deflated at the fact that there isn’t much that I can do about it :-( Voting McCain come Nov. 4th is of little consolation.

    • Arabella Trefoil

      Don’t give up hope. Get away from the internet for a while.

      Patience and fortitude!

    • ame

      Flip to Fox News; that’s what I do in order to keep my sanity. I bet their ratings have gone way up this election season.

  • Elle

    Feeling much of the same in regards to watching the news stories.They do not care to open up issues that could question their perfect viewpoint of BO.
    The tear down McCain though for being a racist and igniting anger among his supporters.
    It is the media that is to blame for this.The anger and worries are because McCain does not get fair treatment and they fight for the truth to come out about Obama and now they are blamed for it and called offensive and angry racist.
    How twisted the medias manipulation has become.
    Let us not forget the main purpose we suffer here.
    Let us work harder to tell the truth and keep BO out of the oval office.

  • Obamassiah

    For those of you that think bringing up the Ayers issue is absurd. That we shouldn’t ask what a possible future president found so appealing about this terrorist and his marxist views. I guess you would all find it okay, if next week Charles Manson wasnreleased from jail and Obama decided to befriend him.

  • http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com InsightAnalytical-GRL

    Charles Lemos over at By the Fault (http://www.bythefault.com/) doesn’t think these ads will make any difference. The McCain plan to tax health care benefits is a killer. It’s the kitchen table issues that McCain hasn’t addressed well.

    Unfortunately, he might be right…but, I would argue that an ACORN ripoff and vote abuse and Ayers background should be effective. But McCain really isn’t being consistent on this. Why is this an internet-only ad??? Why does he undermine himself in MN, saying that there’s nothing to worry about with Obama (that’s what my mother reported to me)…

    Overall, I’m wondering why his campaign seems to want to run itself into the ground with all this “bipartisanship” crap, while McCain knows or should know, what a threat Obama is???

  • SportPolitics

    It seems to me some guy that has to throw out the window the last 20 years of his own life shouldn’t be running for President.
    We’ve got no documents on tis character Obama, either, and he won’t release them.
    So let me get this straight – he repudiates the last 20 years of his life, the rest of his life as far as documents is concerned is off limits, and just worship him as master anti-racist whatever, or wear your KKK hat ?
    Never mind those terror bombers who brought him to power ? LOL
    This is like a bad dream, a nightmare, it doesn’t even seem possible that it is actually happening.