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The Woman in Red

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US President Barack Obama greets US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as he arrives for a joint session of Congress.

First Lady Michelle Obama wore purple the color of royalty.

In human color psychology, purple is associated with royalty, regality, and nobility (stemming from antiquity where Tyrian Purple was only affordable to the elites).
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See also: ‘Royal purple’ or the dark violet color known as vulgar purple.” ].

First Lady Obama was introduced to all gathered while others (such as the Supreme Court and all members of the Cabinet and all the Joint Chiefs, were not even acknowledged, as Jay of No Topic Taboo pointed out!).

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, not acknowledged either by the president, arrived for the Obama speech dressed in a smart power-red suit, triumphant from her successful, historic four-country journey throughout Asia.

Here is the speech that Secretary Clinton gave in China.

Toward a Deeper and Broader Relationship With China:

The full text follows:

FOREIGN MINISTER YANG: (Via interpreter.) Madame Secretary, ladies and gentlemen, I am delighted to meet you. First of all, I want to once again welcome Secretary Clinton to China.

Just now, Secretary Clinton and I had an in-depth exchange of views on China-U.S. relations on a wide range of issues of mutual interest. The talks were constructive, and produced positive results.

Both the Secretary and I stated that we attached great importance to China-U.S. relations, and cherish the sincere desire to actively promote China-U.S. relations. China believes that, at a time when the international situation continues to undergo complex and profound changes, China and the United States, as the world’s biggest developing country and biggest developed country, have broad, common interests and important common responsibilities on major issues that concern peace and development of mankind.

We should develop broader and deeper relations between the two countries in the new era. The two countries should work together and build a cooperative relationship of mutual benefit and win-win progress in a wide range of areas with a view to promoting peace, stability and prosperity in the Asia-Pacific region and the world, at large. Both sides stressed that close dialogues and exchanges at the top and other levels between China and the United States, playing an irreplaceable role in advancing the bilateral relations.

The upcoming meeting between President Hu Jintao and President Barack Obama during the G-20 London financial summit in early April will be of great significance. The two sides will make careful preparations for the meeting, and ensure its success.

The two sides believed that China and the United States should continue to strengthen dialogues on strategic, overarching, and long-term issues of mutual interest in a political, diplomatic, and economic fields. The two sides reached agreement, in principle, on the establishment of the China-U.S. strategic and economic dialogues mechanism, and will engage in further consultations to make detailed arrangement for the mechanism.

I have briefed Secretary Clinton on the recent development of the relations across the Taiwan Strait, and stated China’s principled position on the Taiwan question. The Chinese side appreciates the fact that the U.S. side has reaffirmed on many occasions its position that it adheres to the One China policy abides by the three Sino-U.S. joint communiqués, and opposes Taiwan independence and Taiwan’s membership in any international organization where statehood is required. China hopes that the United States will properly handle the Taiwan question with caution, and support the peaceful development of cross-strait relations.

The two sides discussed the ongoing international financial crisis and agreed that, as the crisis is still unfolding and spreading, China and the United States should enhance coordination on macro- economic, and financial policies, jointly work for positive outcomes at the G-20 London financial summit, and reject trade and investment protectionism.

The two sides agreed that China and the United States should intensify exchanges in cooperation in economy and trade, law enforcement, science, education, culture, health, and other fields, continue to conduct counter-terrorism and non-proliferation consultations, and military-to-military exchanges, and continue to hold human rights dialogues on the basis of equality and mutual respect.

The two sides believed that cooperation in the fields of energy and the environment is playing an increasingly important role in the growth of bilateral relations. China and the United States will enhance such exchanges in cooperation on the basis of the China-U.S. 10-year energy and environment cooperation framework, including exchanges in cooperation in developing and utilizing clean energy, raising energy efficiency, and strengthening environmental protection.

The two sides also agreed to step up communication and consultation on climate change, make joint efforts in the research, development, demonstration, and deployment of key low-carbon technologies, and work with other projects concerned in meeting this global challenge together.

The two sides agreed to make joint efforts and work with other parties concerned for the success of the Copenhagen Conference.

The two sides also exchanged views on the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula, the Iranian nuclear issue, stability in south Asia, and other issues. The two sides believed that to maintain the Six-Party talks process, and facilitate proper settlement of the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula, is crucial to the early realization of the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, and enduring peace and stability in northeast Asia.

The two sides expressed the hope that relevant countries in south Asia will continue to properly manage their differences through dialogue and cooperation, and uphold peace and stability in the region through common efforts.

The two sides maintained that the international nuclear non-proliferation regime should be upheld, and that the international community should make concerted efforts to properly resolve the Iranian nuclear issue through diplomatic negotiations.

All in all, we had a good discussion, and reached broad agreement. I am convinced that, as long as both China and the United States approach this bilateral relationship from a strategic and long-term perspective, enhance dialogue exchange and cooperation, respect and accommodate each other’s core interests, China-U.S. relations will make greater progress in the new era, and bring greater benefits to people of the two countries and the whole world. Thank you.

SECRETARY CLINTON: Thank you very much, Foreign Minister Yang, for your warm welcome, and for such a productive meeting today.

I am excited to be back here in Beijing in the very guest house that my husband and I stayed in 1998. And I know that this is just the first of many trips to China that I will make, as secretary of state.

The foreign minister and I had a wide-ranging discussion that started from a simple premise: it is essential that the United States and China have a positive, cooperative relationship. Both of us are seeking ways to deepen and broaden that relationship, so we discussed matters of bilateral concern. But we also spent a great deal of time on the array of global problems that China and the United States face together, and that we can work together to solve.

This is not just desirable for our two countries. It is important for the global community, which is counting on China and the United States to collaborate, to pursue security, peace, and prosperity for all.

There is an acute and immediate need for this kind of collaboration in three key areas. First, the global economic crisis that hit us first and hit us deeply, and has also hit China. We have to look inward for solutions, but we must also look to each other to take a leadership role in designing and implementing a coordinated global response to stabilize the world’s economy, and begin recovery.

To that end, I have invited the foreign minister to visit Washington during the week of March 9th, to work with us as both our countries prepare for the April G-20 summit in London.

The second key area is clean energy and climate change. The minister and I agreed that, based on the good progress that has already been made, the United States and China will build an important partnership to develop and deploy clean energy technologies designed to speed our transformation to low-carbon economies. These technologies are essential, both to spur sustainable economic growth in our countries, and to contain the increasingly urgent problem of global climate change. Areas for useful cooperation include: renewable energy, the capture and storage of CO2 from coal plants, and energy efficiency in our buildings.

We also agreed that we share a common interest in working to promote a successful agreement that climate change talks be held in Copenhagen in December of 2009. We will hold regular consultations between senior officials in our governments on all elements of this broad collaboration.

Third, we discussed a wide range of security issues. China has already contributed in positive ways, as the chair of the Six-Party talks, and in its participation in international peacekeeping efforts. And our two countries, I am happy to say, will resume mid-level military-to-military discussions later this month.

We also look forward to further improved relations across the Taiwan Strait. And we agreed to work together on the best way forward to combat extremism and promote stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan; to prevent Iran’s pursuit of a nuclear weapons program; to advance the global counter-terrorism mission; and to pursue arms control and disarmament and stem the spread of weapons of mass destruction. On these issues, we share a common interest, and we should look increasingly to act in concert.

The United States and China also need to work together to make progress on other issues of great importance to the international community, such as Burma and Sudan. As we move forward, it will be important to have a clear and comprehensive framework for dialogue.

Mr. Yang and I, therefore, agreed in principle, on the broad structure of a high-level strategic and economic dialogue with two tracks. The strategic track will cover a broad range of political, security, and global issues, and the economic track will cover a broad range of financial and economic issues. Secretary Geithner and I will both be fully engaged in this dialogue, which will take further shape in the weeks to come.

In engaging China on a broad range of challenges, we will have frank discussions on issues where we have disagreements, including human rights, Tibet, religious freedom, and freedom of expression. The promotion of human rights is an essential aspect of our global foreign policy, and something we discussed candidly with the Chinese leadership.

There is no doubt that world events have given us a full and formidable agenda. And as we tackle it, the United States is committed to pursuing a positive, cooperative relationship with China, one that we believe is important for the future peace, progress, and prosperity for both countries and for the world.

Thank you very much, Mr. Minister.

QUESTION: (Via interpreter.) With CCTV – I have two questions to Madame Secretary.

In your speech at the Asia Society last week, you said how essential it is for China and the United States to have a positive and cooperative relationship. I wonder if you can further elaborate on the China policy of the Obama administration. And do you think you can tell us who will be the next U.S. ambassador to China?

SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, we are committed to a positive, cooperative relationship. We had a very good beginning today in our discussions. I will be seeing the president and the premier and the state councilor later, as well, to discuss in greater detail some of the issues we raised, and some additional ones.

But the Obama administration wants very much to work with China on the range of issues that Minister Yang and I discussed. And Minister Yang and I will have further discussions when he comes to Washington in March. And our presidents will be meeting when they are together in London for the G-20 summit.

And when we have an announcement about our next ambassador, we will certainly make it.

MODERATOR: Next question to Arshad Mohammed of Reuters.

QUESTION: Arshad Mohammed of Reuters. Secretary Clinton, in 1995, here in Beijing you gave a speech which, at the time, was regarded as the strongest criticism of China’s human rights record by a visiting foreign dignitary. It made you something of a hero, both to Chinese human rights activists and their families, as well as in the international human rights community.

Yesterday you told us that, while you would raise human rights, it could not be allowed to interfere with other priorities, like the financial crisis, and climate change, and security issues like North Korea.

How do you answer critics who have already responded to yesterday’s comments, suggesting that they are a betrayal of the stand that you took in 1995, and that, as a practical matter, they undermine such leverage, as the United States may have with China on human rights?

And, Foreign Minister Yang, what was your response to Secretary Clinton’s remarks of yesterday? Do they strike you as perhaps a more pragmatic and mature approach on the part of the United States to human rights in China?

SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, as I have said, the promotion of human rights is an essential aspect of U.S. global foreign policy. I have raised the issue on every stop on this trip, and have done so here, in my conversations with the foreign minister. Our candid discussions are part of our approach, and human rights is part of our comprehensive agenda.

At least as important in building respect for and making progress on human rights are the efforts of civil society institutions, NGOs, women’s groups, academic institutions, and we support those efforts. And I have highlighted their good work in each capital I have visited, and I will do so here, as well, tomorrow.

FOREIGN MINISTER YANG: (Via interpreter.) In my talks with Secretary Clinton today, we covered a wide range of areas, including human rights. I said that, given our differences in history, social system, and culture, it is only natural that our two countries may have some different views on human rights.

But I also said that it is the commitment of the Chinese government to continue to engage in human rights dialogues with the United States on the basis of equality and non-interference in each other’s internal affairs, to increase our mutual understanding, narrow differences, and work together to advance the cause of human rights. Though these days it’s a bit chilly in Beijing, but I have confidence that you will see the biggest number of smiling faces here.

It is provided for in China’s constitution that the state respects and protects human rights. The Chinese government attaches great importance to ensuring the basic human rights of its people, and their freedom of religious belief. We are ready to engage in exchanges and contacts with all other countries to promote human rights. Thank you.

MODERATOR: Next question to Mark Lander from The New York Times.

QUESTION: A question for both Foreign Minister Yang and Secretary Clinton. In the last 15 years, China and the United States have developed an economic symbiosis, based on a high level of savings in China and a high level of spending in the United States. The economic crisis has raised questions about whether this relationship is sustainable. And I wonder whether it is time for a fundamental rethinking of the economic relationship between China and the U.S., and how might we go about doing that.

And then, one additional question for the foreign minister, China has invested much of these excess savings in U.S. government securities over the past few years. Has the U.S. housing and financial crisis caused the Chinese to reassess your faith in the U.S. as a place to invest the money of the Chinese people, and are you looking for alternatives?

SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, Mark, I think that what you have seen in both the United States and China is an effort to deal with the internal economic crisis that we each face.

Obviously, in our own country, under President Obama’s leadership, we have passed a very large stimulus: $790 billion. We have passed the TARP funding that is now being utilized to try to stabilize our banks, and get them lending again. The President has just announced a $75 billion housing support plan.

So, the United States is taking very significant steps to stabilize our economy. And China has done similarly, internally, with its own stimulus package. So, both of our countries recognize that we have to act internally and externally. That is why the Foreign Minister and I discussed the G-20 summit, where we hope that there will be agreements about a new international financial system that will provide supervision, particularly for cross-border capital flows. There is a lot of work that we are going to undertake together.

But I think it is also fair to say that as we look into the future, after we recover from this economic crisis — and I have every confidence that we will — that China will continue to develop its own internal demand. As the Chinese people want more and more, in terms of consumer goods — the Minister and I were talking about how so many Chinese families now have more and more appliances — that will create greater room for internal demand in China.

And I think it would also be fair to say that many Americans have now come to terms with the fact that saving might be a good habit to acquire. So, I am confident that there will be a balanced approach from both of our countries and, working together with the European Union and Japan and other G-20 nations, that we will move forward.

And I appreciate greatly the Chinese government’s continuing confidence in the United States treasuries. I think that is a well-grounded confidence. We have every reason to believe that the United States and China will recover, and that, together, we will help to lead the global recovery.

FOREIGN MINISTER YANG: (Via interpreter.) Well, I want to first thank Secretary Clinton for inviting me to visit the United States in March. I look forward to visiting your country in March to exchange views with you on China-U.S. relations, and major international and regional issues, and, in particular, make further thoughtful arrangements for the meeting between our presidents in April.

It is my view that the door to China-U.S. relations be opened. The growth of business ties between us has brought real benefits to both peoples of the two countries, in particular the mid and low-income households.

We appreciate the massive steps taken by the U.S. government in boosting economic growth and overcoming the financial crisis. We believe that the American people are a people with creativity and entrepreneurial spirit, and we believe that, by working together, we will be able to tide over this financial crisis.

Turning to the Chinese economy, it is true that the Chinese economy now faces severe challenges brought about by the international financial crisis. In response to the challenge, we have adopted a series of targeted measures. For instance, including, among others, the investment program with a value of $4 trillion RMB yuan, aimed at boosting domestic demand.

I think the implementation of this massive program will also create favorable conditions for other countries to take part in the development in China. We have the confidence to maintain the steady and fairly fast growth of the Chinese economy, and maintain the growth rate of the Chinese economy at about eight percent this year. This, in itself, will be our biggest contribution to the international efforts in meeting the financial crisis challenge, and overcoming the economic difficulties.

It is true that China has used some of its foreign exchange reserves to buy the U.S. treasury bonds. In making use of our foreign exchange reserves, we want to insure the safety of the reserves, the good value of them, and also the liquidity of the forex (foreign exchange) reserves. We will make further determinations about the ways and means we will use in using our foreign exchange reserves, in accordance with the principles that I just laid out.

I want to emphasize here that facts speak louder than words. The fact is, China and the United States have conducted good cooperation, and we are ready to continue to work with the U.S. side.

QUESTION: (Via translator.) With Peoples Daily. Foreign Minister Yang, it has been over a month since the new U.S. administration came into office. How do you see the China-U.S. relations during the new U.S. administration?

FOREIGN MINISTER YANG: (Via interpreter.) Well, I think, with our joint efforts, the relationship between China and the Obama administration of the United States has already got off to a good start.

We appreciate the statements from the new U.S. government that the United States wants to build a more constructive and positive relationship with China. President Hu Jintao and President Barack Obama discussed this by phone and other means, and they reached a lot of important agreement.

I believe that China-U.S. relations will move forward, will continue to move forward, in a sound and steady way. And the two countries will continue to work together in building and developing a relationship of mutually beneficial cooperation and win-win progress in a broader range of areas.

We highly appreciate that Secretary Clinton took time out of her busy schedule to pay a visit to China. And I think, with joint efforts, our talks have produced positive results.

Well, Madame Secretary, we very warmly welcome you here, back in Beijing. I think particularly people who are working here at this villa in Diaoyutai they are thrilled to see you back here in 10 years. The last time you were here, this building was not built yet. So we hope that you will come back often in the future, and you will be able to see the changes taking place here, even if you just come to Diaoyutai.

The visit President Clinton and you paid to China in 1998 was a very important visit, and you both made very important contributions to advancing the China-U.S. ties. Thank you.

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  • Nocturnal Warrior

    Secretary of State Clinton looked great entering the Chamber on Tuesday. Her smile appeared genuinely radiant and she was enthusiastically greeted by those who lined the walk way.

    As I have mentioned previsouly, she appears to be truly at peace with how things have worked out and is attacking her new repsonsiblities with the zeal and tenacity we expect.

    It had to be an odd feeling for her to enter the chamber, one year after entering it as a candidate for President who sought out Ted Kennedy and then Senator Obama on the floor (the very day after Ted gave Obama his blessing) and was rebuffed by the man who is now President (he turned his back, no matter what he says. She smiled and reached out and got to see the back of her opponent.

    Even so, you would never know it as she entered the chamber this week to hear this man (now her boss) give the address she should be making.

    A truly remarkable person, our Secretary of State.

  • TeakwoodKite

    I wish her well, as SOS Clinton is a bright star in an otherwise dark vacuum of BO’s cosmic debris.

  • PainkillerJayne

    I got chills reading your last statement Warrior.

    She truly is a remarkable woman and right now in my eyes she is outshining the circus being played out in DC as we type.

    *sigh* Hillary, you go girl!

  • CarolynKB

    Perhaps Michelle should call Hillary for some appropriate apparel advice. Hillary looked fabulous, as usual.

  • Lyn

    So did MEEEshell actually pay for her purple duds or were the clothes and jewelry more of her freebies?

  • SJ

    Am sorry I cant be hypocritical, Hillary supported party before country, when you mixed with the dogs you end up getting bitten by the fleas.

    I cannot accept Hillary yet condemn Obama or laugh at Michelle, to me they are all on the same team and to this day Hillary never explained to her supporters why she supported this man who she openly accused of not being able to run this country.

    He was not able during the primary to become President so I will never understand how in Hillary’e eyes he instantly became the ‘great one”. Hillary did what she felt was right for her politically she went with her party.

    As a voter I am doing what I feel is right for me, there were many questions about Obama that was never answered, I could not support him because of that and did not vote for him even when Hillary asked me to, up to this this I cannot understand her stance so until I do I am not impressed at seeing her as some of you still do.

  • Elliott

    Is this contempt for the norms of Washington to dress in such an inappropriate manner in the House of Representatives for a constitutionally mandated event? When a middle aged woman is faced with dressing couture or dressing appropriately (if for some strange reason they cannot do both as in a Chanel suit) the more conservative choice always serves best. Someone needs to advise her if they are not afraid and she would listen.

  • Animal Control

    she appears to be truly at peace

    That’s because she is a grownup and comfortrable within herself which is not something I could say of Obama. Please let him eat his waffle!

  • Animal Control

    You make valid points from your perspective–Aint the First Amendment great! Sometimes love of country will make one get down in the ditches with the filth.

  • Animal Control

    I’ll never forget “Give me something” and “$600 dollar earrings”

    America owes her don’t you know.

  • Ani

    I respect your points, but I take a different view.

    Actually I think Hillary chose country over party — she saw very clearly that Obama was going to win whether she liked it or not and knew that we would need some grown ups minding the store — as Secretary of State she is in a very powerful position to affect our foreign and world policy — since he clearly does not know anything about affairs of state. You have to look at the bigger picture here. In the long run, we are safer with her at the helm of SoS than Obama making another Geithner-like appointment to that position.

    I appreciate her stepping up to the plate even though I am sure this situation made her (and us) sick. So far, she is the one smelling like a rose in all of this.

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    [...] 2009 February 26 by soldier4hillary No Quarter has a story titled: The Woman in Red, which of course I loved the picture, just wish I could see more of it but that lady is in the [...]

  • Animal Control

    Agree

  • C.S.

    My main question about Secretary of State Clinton is, considering the vicious animosity directed toward her by both Obamas during the campaign, why would he choose her for that position knowing that she would outshine him? I’m more concerned about who was yanking his strings to get him to do that than why she took the job. (She did know we needed someone like her negotiating with our enemies as well as the few friends we have left.)

  • Animal Control

    Excellent question.

  • Hilary4HRC

    I completely agree — she did choose country over party — her upbringing, background — she’s a mom — gotta go country.

    She wasn’t paying lip service when she said she loves our country — she’s serving it in the best possible way… for now. She looked amazing the other night. This kind of work definitely agrees with her!

  • basil

    I confess I think the same thing.

    :sad:

  • Sassy

    Could the answer be self-preservation?
    It would be wise for someone in Washington to know what they are doing!
    Another attack could be successful in the Capitol!

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte LaRue

    True. Hillary is the embodiment of class, intellect, and the one who will do this country more service in the long run. Obama’s just in it for the show. I hope America will grow up now and stop going for the latest fad.

  • Allie

    I actually think the beginning of this post is a little strident about the color choice of purple for MO – it’s a beautiful color and looks good on her. OTOH the sleeveless dresses ALL the time! In winter! Not a good fashion choice IMO. It smacks of a tough bully stance – not every woman can go sleeveless.

    I wouldn’t normally pick on a woman for her fashion sense – but it’s her choice to lead a lifestyle that calls for designer wear and public scrutiny. If she were doing something else – activist for something! anything! I’d back off.

  • Nocturnal Warrior

    He took her for the job for a couple of reasons.

    1) She was the only choice he could make that John Kerry would have to stand aside for. He really didn’t want Kerry in his White House.

    2) By placing her in the cabinet, she is forced to abandon fundraising for a potential 2012 run. Cabinet members can not actively solicit campaign funds while serving.

    3) By getting her out of the Senate, he removes a potential road block to any of his initiatives. Her ability to attract coverage and popular support made her dangerous.

    4) By placing her at State, he severely curtails what Bill Clinton will do in terms of foreign visits and contacts during his term. Less chance of being shown up by a former President who is revered outside of our borders.

    5) Despite the animosity, he knows she will do a hell of a good job.

    So all told, it really is a brilliant choice by Obama on many levels.

  • wodiej

    LMAO!! No shit!! Hillary looked stunning and her trip to China was one of high achievement and I would expect no less from her.

    I share the sentiment that she is a courageous person with alot of class. O has the crown but Hillary has the “jewels”….

  • rw

    Madame President greets le petit voleur who stole the election.

    Wow, can she speak with props.

  • rw

    that is, “without props”…guess I was thinking of skinny’s ah, ah, ah while writing.

  • Slim Tyranny

    ZOMG!!!!1 Michelle Obama wore purple!!!1!11!

    Nice “analysis.”

  • Slim Tyranny
  • del
  • Slim Tyranny

    Seriously, aren’t you sometimes embarrassed by your childish attacks on Michelle Obama?

  • PainkillerJayne

    I would like to have been a fly on the wall the day Bill and Barry had lunch. In the interviews after Barry had the look of a dumb struck schoolboy look and Bill was totally in control.

    Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm.

  • Animal Control

    hmmmmmmmmmm

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte LaRue

    Seriously, aren’t you embarrassed that you still think Obama and Magilla Michelle are the saviors of the planet?

  • Slim Tyranny

    Aw, Buzz, you went with the strawman argument approach? Nice try, but a sad failure on your part.

    Face it, there is no analysis in this posting on “The Woman in Red” — just petty, mean-spirited nonsense that tells us more about SusanUnPC than either Obama or Clinton.

  • JustMe

    Tell you what is sad on your part Obama will never look as confident or as together as The Secretary of State or be able to hold his job to the level Hillary will/can:

    She is from good stock, good schools great family background. Hillary walks the walk and actually knows how to talk the talk…

    He ought to be grateful she accepted the offer without her the administration is lacking in every other position.
    Hillary is one tough strong lady a true Patriot and that is one thing Obama will NEVER take away from her!

    GO HILLARY~~

  • Seattle Moss

    Hillary is one tough strong lady a true Patriot and that is one thing Obama will NEVER take away from her!

    We can say that about you too!!

  • JustMe

    Thank you! Friend~~

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte LaRue

    That appears to be a judgement made by you, Slimbo. Apparently you need to make it. So, besides the people you are trying to admonish, who looks petty in this scenario.

    Go get a mirror…

  • JustMe

    and make sure you sweep it up when it cracks !!

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte LaRue

    LOL!! Good one!

  • daisyjane

    I’m conservative but man, I wish she’d won instead of the Zero.

    He’s going to destroy this nation faster than I ever even thought…I figure six months.

    Hillary Clinton would be a relief in the White House; she’s become pragmatic and wise.

    I’d be able to sleep tonight if she were at the helm.

  • Slim Tyranny

    “She is from good stock, good schools great family background.”

    hahahahaha All that is true, yet none of that discounts Obama. He went to good schools, too. As for “good stock” and “family background”, well, sorry if his parents don’t stack up genetically in your mind, but here in America, “true Patriots” are judged by the content of their own character, not the genetics of their parents or the quality of the parenting they received.

    And once again, a NOTHING response to the substance of my comment. I never questioned Clinton’s patriotism — I mocked the vapid “analysis” of dress colors.

    Dress colors! Are you kidding?!!?! C’mon, JustMe, you gotta admit SusanUnPC’s “analysis” here was mindless nonsense.

  • Slim Tyranny

    Do you disagree with that judgment, Buzz?

    Do you think DRESS COLORS provide us with a wealth of knowledge about Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton? REALLY?!?

    I mean, give me a break. As for “Slimbo”, I mean c’mon, you can do better.

  • Slim Tyranny

    hahahahaha

    The backslapping is awesome

  • beebop

    “true Patriots” are judged by the content of their own character, not the genetics of their parents or the quality of the parenting they received.

    er …. uh ….. um …..

    They are also judged by their actions, their words and the record they leave. Absent any access to the records he has left at the various universities and colleges he has attended, we are left with the words *just words* in those novels he has written. He doesn’t have a very flattering picture of his fellow citizens. And his heroes are not exactly (excepting his recent conversion to Lincolnism) the sort whose influence I want to see on the rudder of this ship of state.

  • beebop

    Perhaps you’d be happier with the intellectual stimulation at Huffypoo? It’s pretty much all self congrats all the time, isn’t it? What a great job they all did (sis boom bah) in the last election? How each of them personally did the work of thousands to get obomba elected? You might miss a high five over there if you don’t hurry back ….

  • BARB

    I find the conversations about dresses, etc. not at all relevant….considering the mess the Obamatrons tell us this country is in. However, when I saw videos of Hillary all smiles with the leaders of China, I remembered this:

    http://www.theepochtimes.com

    Horrific New Evidence of China Organ Harvesting Revealed

    By Jan Jekielek

    Epoch Times Staff on assignment in Warsaw

    Nov 16, 2006

    A Chinese military surgeon had eight Chinese citizens killed to supply a single foreign patient with a new kidney, said former Canadian Secretary of State for Asia-Pacific David Kilgour on November 14. Kilgour spoke as a special guest at the Asian Human Rights Week forum in Warsaw, on day two of a five day program.

    “The incredible thing is that the doctor would…go down the names on sheets of paper looking for blood types and tissue types and so on, and he [the patient] would point at names on the list. The doctor would then go away and come back with organs,” said Kilgour.

    While conducting research in Asia, Kilgour interviewed a now 35 year-old man (name and nationality withheld) who received a kidney transplant at Shanghai No. 1 People’s Hospital in 2003. The man said that his surgeon was Dr Tan Jianming, Secretary General of the Chinese Research Society of Dialysis and Transplantation. Dr Tan also holds top posts in a number of Chinese military and civilian hospitals.

    The patient suffered from an antibody condition that made it difficult to find a suitable kidney. Over an eight day period, four separate kidneys were brought to him and tested, said Kilgour. When none of those worked, three months later he tried another four – the last of which was a fit. The man was later transferred to No. 85 Hospital of the People’s Liberation Army to convalesce.

    Dr Tan told the man explicitly that these organs came from executed Chinese prisoners, and that at least some of the organs had been harvested secretly, against the donors’ will.

    “I am certain that at least some of these were Falun Gong practitioners who never went near a court, who were never convicted of anything,” said Kilgour.

    Earlier in 2006, Kilgour co-wrote a report detailing evidence of China’s large scale state-supported killing of Falun Gong prisoners of conscience – in order to extract their organs to sell for huge profits to people such as this man. Kilgour and co-author human rights lawyer David Matas estimated that over 41,000 organ transplants performed in China could not be accounted for, based on published records.

    ……….

    Any comments from Hillary or her staff on these state-supported executions and organ harvesting? Do any of them care? (NO!)

  • JustMe

    Slim Tyranny said
    well, sorry if his parents don’t stack up genetically in your mind,

    Where was that said? Your mind is off balance just because these thoughts are at the back of your mind.
    You add words that were not in the post.

    As I said the strength Hillary will show in her position is something NO ONE will take away for her. You don’t gain that by votes that can be taken away from her it is her character.

  • Slim Tyranny

    Another commenter drops by to sidestep my comments and talk of random other stuff.

    Unless, of course, you’re admitting that there is no “intellectual stimulation” received by reading a putdown post based on dress color.

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