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		<title>By: LD</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15439/caveat-emptor/#comment-1149667</link>
		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not a bad day....getfit...in all seriousness, the market has little chance of doing decidedly better anytime soon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not a bad day&#8230;.getfit&#8230;in all seriousness, the market has little chance of doing decidedly better anytime soon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lark</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15439/caveat-emptor/#comment-1149666</link>
		<dc:creator>lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that (the left) politicians from both parties (even though Republicans imply the contrary) like this so much?

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.2b04b3e135c9639d2bbf7a45f32c5bad.201&amp;show_article=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that (the left) politicians from both parties (even though Republicans imply the contrary) like this so much?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.2b04b3e135c9639d2bbf7a45f32c5bad.201&#038;show_article=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.2b04b3e135c9639d2bbf7a45f32c5bad.201&#038;show_article=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: getfitnow</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15439/caveat-emptor/#comment-1149664</link>
		<dc:creator>getfitnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dow is down 88+.</description>
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		<title>By: lark</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15439/caveat-emptor/#comment-1149651</link>
		<dc:creator>lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sense is that something will give in terms of social order. Just saying. 

I want my money in WalMart credits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sense is that something will give in terms of social order. Just saying. </p>
<p>I want my money in WalMart credits.</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15439/caveat-emptor/#comment-1149645</link>
		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patience...I have no concerns that you will get your money althogh you may wait. The FDIC reserves have dropped precipitously. 

Maybe I should increase my concerns a little but I&#039;m not there yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patience&#8230;I have no concerns that you will get your money althogh you may wait. The FDIC reserves have dropped precipitously. </p>
<p>Maybe I should increase my concerns a little but I&#8217;m not there yet.</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15439/caveat-emptor/#comment-1149531</link>
		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inhale...exhale....inhale...exhale...

My sense is that we will all be blown away by the size of the commitments going forward.

Moral hazard ...what&#039;s that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inhale&#8230;exhale&#8230;.inhale&#8230;exhale&#8230;</p>
<p>My sense is that we will all be blown away by the size of the commitments going forward.</p>
<p>Moral hazard &#8230;what&#8217;s that?</p>
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		<title>By: Patience</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15439/caveat-emptor/#comment-1149518</link>
		<dc:creator>Patience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that the POTUS claimed those earning under $250,000 won&#039;t be taxed &quot;one single dime&quot; to pay for his lavish agenda.

Could it be he means not &quot;one single dime&quot;, but many many thousands of dimes?  Lawyers tend to be literalist manipulators of language, after all.

The current administration and Congress are so pre-occupied with profligate political patronage in the guise of stimulus spending it&#039;s no wonder the market tanks after nearly every new pronouncement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that the POTUS claimed those earning under $250,000 won&#8217;t be taxed &#8220;one single dime&#8221; to pay for his lavish agenda.</p>
<p>Could it be he means not &#8220;one single dime&#8221;, but many many thousands of dimes?  Lawyers tend to be literalist manipulators of language, after all.</p>
<p>The current administration and Congress are so pre-occupied with profligate political patronage in the guise of stimulus spending it&#8217;s no wonder the market tanks after nearly every new pronouncement.</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
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		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They may be calming the market, but they&#039;re scaring the pants off of me, LD. Wow. Some of the perspectives I&#039;ve read this morning, made me want to spew my coffee on my new keyboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They may be calming the market, but they&#8217;re scaring the pants off of me, LD. Wow. Some of the perspectives I&#8217;ve read this morning, made me want to spew my coffee on my new keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mountainaires....

You are all over this!!! Well done!!

I do think the government is indicating that they are going &quot;all in&quot; and that this may serve to put the equity markets into sideways price action for the time being but willdrive interest rates up sooner rather than later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mountainaires&#8230;.</p>
<p>You are all over this!!! Well done!!</p>
<p>I do think the government is indicating that they are going &#8220;all in&#8221; and that this may serve to put the equity markets into sideways price action for the time being but willdrive interest rates up sooner rather than later.</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
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		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Really &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Bad News Today--So, the Market Rallies! 

http://247wallst.com/2009/02/26/jobs-durables-so-bad-a-possible-inflection-point/

How does a &lt;strong&gt;$1.8 Trillion Deficit &lt;/strong&gt;for the fiscal year sound to you?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Feb. 26 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama’s first budget request would provide as much as $750 billion in new aid to the financial industry, as well as overhaul the U.S. health-care system and launch a program to cut carbon-dioxide emissions. 

The spending blueprint, being sent to Congress today, anticipates &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;the government will run a deficit totaling $1.75 trillion in the year ending Sept. 30,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; equivalent to about 12 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. Obama has promised to cut the shortfall -- the biggest since World War II - - in half by the end of his first term. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aY8vuevw1NKs&amp;refer=home#

http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com/2009/02/treasurys-rescue-plan.html

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/

Durable Goods Orders &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Way Down&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;: 

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Demand-durable-goods-sinks-52/story.aspx?guid=%7B1EC9200E%2D6C12%2D49A8%2DB442%2DCEFD6287D665%7D

Unemployment Claims &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Way Up&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Initial-jobless-claims-rise-ongoing/story.aspx?guid=%7B498AF5D6%2D0F43%2D42CD%2D9883%2D25E605638967%7D


&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;This&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; is a &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Stress Test?&quot; &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;[bwahahahahahaha]

&lt;blockquote&gt;Today, the Federal Reserve answered some questions on the bank &quot;stress test&quot;, which they say is being conducted, &quot;to determine if the largest U.S. banking organizations have sufficient capital buffers to withstand the impact of an economic environment that is more challenging than is currently anticipated.&quot; 

Banks have been instructed to analyze potential firm‐wide losses, including in its loan and securities portfolios, as well as from any off‐balance sheet commitments and contingent liabilities/exposures, under two defined economic scenarios over a two year time horizon (2009, 2010). The capital assessment will cover two economic scenarios: a baseline scenario and a more adverse scenario: 

Baseline scenario (average):


GDP: -2% (2009), +2.1% (2010) 


Unemployment Rate: 8.4% (2009), 8.8% (2010) 


House Prices -14% (2009), -4% (2010)


Adverse scenario: 

GDP: -3.3% (2009), +0.5% (2010) 


Unemployment Rate: 8.9% (2009), 10.3% (2010) 


House prices: -22% (2009), -7% (2010) 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.streetinsider.com/Economic+Data/Feds+Bank+Stress+Test+Doesnt+Account+For+%22Black+Swan%22/4437298.html


&lt;strong&gt;A good example of the &quot;black swan&quot; effect: &lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;[B]ased on recent data from Housingtracker.net, which is a combined look at condo and single-family home statistics, Las Vegas&#039;s median home values are currently down 40% YoY and 53% from April 2006 (April 2006 Median=$344,900; Today&#039;s Median=$162,500).

Based on the data/trends above, combined with the significant uptick in Las Vegas&#039;s unemployment situation and lack of available mortgage credit, I anticipate foreclosures and inventories to significantly increase and prices to fall another 30% by this time next year.

Stated differently: Today&#039;s Median price is $162,500. After a 30% haircut from here, I expect to see a median of ~ $115K by March 2010 - very close to the $60 median price that I wrote about last year.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://economicrot.blogspot.com/2009/02/las-vegas-housing-crash-continues.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>Really </em></strong>Bad News Today&#8211;So, the Market Rallies! </p>
<p><a href="http://247wallst.com/2009/02/26/jobs-durables-so-bad-a-possible-inflection-point/" rel="nofollow">http://247wallst.com/2009/02/26/jobs-durables-so-bad-a-possible-inflection-point/</a></p>
<p>How does a <strong>$1.8 Trillion Deficit </strong>for the fiscal year sound to you?</p>
<blockquote><p>Feb. 26 (Bloomberg) &#8212; President Barack Obama’s first budget request would provide as much as $750 billion in new aid to the financial industry, as well as overhaul the U.S. health-care system and launch a program to cut carbon-dioxide emissions. </p>
<p>The spending blueprint, being sent to Congress today, anticipates <strong><em>the government will run a deficit totaling $1.75 trillion in the year ending Sept. 30,</em></strong> equivalent to about 12 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. Obama has promised to cut the shortfall &#8212; the biggest since World War II &#8211; - in half by the end of his first term. </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=aY8vuevw1NKs&#038;refer=home#" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=aY8vuevw1NKs&#038;refer=home#</a></p>
<p><a href="http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com/2009/02/treasurys-rescue-plan.html" rel="nofollow">http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com/2009/02/treasurys-rescue-plan.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/</a></p>
<p>Durable Goods Orders <em><strong>Way Down</strong></em>: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Demand-durable-goods-sinks-52/story.aspx?guid=%7B1EC9200E%2D6C12%2D49A8%2DB442%2DCEFD6287D665%7D" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Demand-durable-goods-sinks-52/story.aspx?guid=%7B1EC9200E%2D6C12%2D49A8%2DB442%2DCEFD6287D665%7D</a></p>
<p>Unemployment Claims <em><strong>Way Up</strong></em>:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Initial-jobless-claims-rise-ongoing/story.aspx?guid=%7B498AF5D6%2D0F43%2D42CD%2D9883%2D25E605638967%7D" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Initial-jobless-claims-rise-ongoing/story.aspx?guid=%7B498AF5D6%2D0F43%2D42CD%2D9883%2D25E605638967%7D</a></p>
<p><em><strong>This</strong></em> is a <em><strong>&#8220;Stress Test?&#8221; </strong></em>[bwahahahahahaha]</p>
<blockquote><p>Today, the Federal Reserve answered some questions on the bank &#8220;stress test&#8221;, which they say is being conducted, &#8220;to determine if the largest U.S. banking organizations have sufficient capital buffers to withstand the impact of an economic environment that is more challenging than is currently anticipated.&#8221; </p>
<p>Banks have been instructed to analyze potential firm‐wide losses, including in its loan and securities portfolios, as well as from any off‐balance sheet commitments and contingent liabilities/exposures, under two defined economic scenarios over a two year time horizon (2009, 2010). The capital assessment will cover two economic scenarios: a baseline scenario and a more adverse scenario: </p>
<p>Baseline scenario (average):</p>
<p>GDP: -2% (2009), +2.1% (2010) </p>
<p>Unemployment Rate: 8.4% (2009), 8.8% (2010) </p>
<p>House Prices -14% (2009), -4% (2010)</p>
<p>Adverse scenario: </p>
<p>GDP: -3.3% (2009), +0.5% (2010) </p>
<p>Unemployment Rate: 8.9% (2009), 10.3% (2010) </p>
<p>House prices: -22% (2009), -7% (2010)
</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.streetinsider.com/Economic+Data/Feds+Bank+Stress+Test+Doesnt+Account+For+%22Black+Swan%22/4437298.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.streetinsider.com/Economic+Data/Feds+Bank+Stress+Test+Doesnt+Account+For+%22Black+Swan%22/4437298.html</a></p>
<p><strong>A good example of the &#8220;black swan&#8221; effect: </strong></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;[B]ased on recent data from Housingtracker.net, which is a combined look at condo and single-family home statistics, Las Vegas&#8217;s median home values are currently down 40% YoY and 53% from April 2006 (April 2006 Median=$344,900; Today&#8217;s Median=$162,500).</p>
<p>Based on the data/trends above, combined with the significant uptick in Las Vegas&#8217;s unemployment situation and lack of available mortgage credit, I anticipate foreclosures and inventories to significantly increase and prices to fall another 30% by this time next year.</p>
<p>Stated differently: Today&#8217;s Median price is $162,500. After a 30% haircut from here, I expect to see a median of ~ $115K by March 2010 &#8211; very close to the $60 median price that I wrote about last year.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://economicrot.blogspot.com/2009/02/las-vegas-housing-crash-continues.html" rel="nofollow">http://economicrot.blogspot.com/2009/02/las-vegas-housing-crash-continues.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wall street Journal on Ohbummer

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123561551065378405.html?mod=rss_opinion_main</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wall street Journal on Ohbummer</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123561551065378405.html?mod=rss_opinion_main" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123561551065378405.html?mod=rss_opinion_main</a></p>
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		<title>By: lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of them. But mostly that the budget has a deficit that is exploding and that the government will seek to control the health care industry by imposing its way around. Both news should cause a lot of concerns. Whether it does or not is another thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of them. But mostly that the budget has a deficit that is exploding and that the government will seek to control the health care industry by imposing its way around. Both news should cause a lot of concerns. Whether it does or not is another thing.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakwoodKite</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeakwoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We have already identified 2 trillion dollars...&quot;

I watched &#039;em release &quot;da budget&quot;. Housing sales the worst in 40 years.

Lark, what news are you referring to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have already identified 2 trillion dollars&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I watched &#8216;em release &#8220;da budget&#8221;. Housing sales the worst in 40 years.</p>
<p>Lark, what news are you referring to?</p>
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		<title>By: Patience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to invest safely is a huge dilemma today.  I take with a grain of salt any advice I hear or read from someone in the business of selling or trading -- those fees can be killing.

I know people who are only buying gold these days, expensive as it is.  I find that to be rather risky as well for the long term.  How can an investor commit long-term with so much uncertainty?

LD, how safe do you think simple savings accounts are these days?  Is there any FDIC track record we can look to for assurance?  I&#039;m wondering if, say, one has a $250,000 savings account in a bank that tanks.  How long would it take for the government to settle up?  How does it play out?  Are there fees involved, etc?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to invest safely is a huge dilemma today.  I take with a grain of salt any advice I hear or read from someone in the business of selling or trading &#8212; those fees can be killing.</p>
<p>I know people who are only buying gold these days, expensive as it is.  I find that to be rather risky as well for the long term.  How can an investor commit long-term with so much uncertainty?</p>
<p>LD, how safe do you think simple savings accounts are these days?  Is there any FDIC track record we can look to for assurance?  I&#8217;m wondering if, say, one has a $250,000 savings account in a bank that tanks.  How long would it take for the government to settle up?  How does it play out?  Are there fees involved, etc?</p>
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		<title>By: lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today&#039;s news will scare the pants of any guarantor.</description>
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