Whose Votes? (Wide Open Thread) [+ UPDATE]

i find the meme of voting for the person with the most popular vote to be incredibly baffling. does this mean … a super delegate should vote with the majority in his/her state, district or nation wide? to borrow a phrase “what is the definition of a majority.” every time i ask obama supporters they just keep hysterically informing me that he is either winning the popular vote or he has more states depending on the time of the day. this still does not answer my questions … what the hell do y’all want … what rules do you want to use now … is there any method that you would accept without becoming angry?

as for me … i think the super delegates should vote however the hell they want.

Gee, you mean we shouldn’t count all those “new found Drive In Democrats” and Republican “Democrats-For-A-Day” voters that will surely betray their Party and vote Obama in November? Do we STILL wannna count the 40% Republican support that materialized to vote AGAINST Clinton in IOWA? – Where to draw the line? . . . think Jesse Jr ought to keep the pressure on and force those Party Democrats to vote “color” over someone with a lifelong support of civil rights . . . only seems right. So exhausting thinking about all that “stuff”, gotta sit down an have a nice cold glass of ObamaAid . . .

oh, and where can I get a pair of Bush underware like those African tops? Would make taking a piss a lot more fun . . .

Barack Obama is outspending Hillary Clinton by a better than 4-to-1 margin on TV ads in the state’s top two media markets, according to reports viewed by WisPolitics Friday.

According to the reports, Obama has spent $831,880 on TV ads through Tuesday’s primary in Madison and Milwaukee. Clinton has spent $180,990. …
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Oh good. I hope it’s the same boring ad he ran over and over and over again in Washington state, that I was stuck watching because I had to watch basic cable in the hospital, and didn’t have my precious DVR remote to fast-forward through commercials. (God I got tired of it — the very same ad every time! And it wasn’t very exciting. Frankly, don’t know why he bothered the day or two before the caucuses because those who were really going to make the BIG effort to go to the stupid caucuses had already made up their minds. But apparently he’s got lots of donors’ money to blow.)

Hillary’s ads ran too, but far less frequently — fine by me. (Where her campaign didn’t sparkle, nor frankly his, was in the grassroots organizing. I was one of 11 voters in my caucus in 2004. You’d THINK that somebody from ONE of the campaigns would have contacted me since I was a very likely return caucus-goer.)

the very same ad every time…

There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat, there is nothing wrong with your television set. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to… The Outer Limits.

The Outer Limits1963…And you thought they were joking..

Is there a NQ policy regarding KOs links… ?

(wiki)

I just found this:

http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com/deval_patrick_a_cautionary_tale.htm

Anybody know anything about this?

“16.3 million people who identified themselves as Democrats, over 678,000 more voted for Hillary Clinton than Barack Obama.”

This is futile. 4.1% is political chump change.

Work toward 15% and maintain unity.

Here’s a link to Deval Patrick, the Governor of Massachusset’s Convention speech. Seems as if he was elected because of his snappy campaign rhetoric promising hope and now that he’s in office his first year’s been a disaster. Lack of experience, anyone?

Maybe this has been covered, but his speech is eerily similar to Obama’s, as was his campaign slogan: “Together we can.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0YbW-iVxk8&feature=related

Kosovo Very Presidential?

It looks like more of the same BS. No context, no geopolitics. No reference to Camp Bondsteel and its purpose. No reference to the blowback of this vis a vis South Ossetia or Abkhazia. Same Bush BS, chapter two. Actually Bush was chapter two of the first Clinton BS. If it’s empire that you want then the neocons have proven they cant do it, better to go with Zbignew and Soros

The Obamabots are out in force — no matter what Senator Clinton says about Kosovo — she will get knocked for it.

Her remarks were indeed very presidential and diplomatic — but then the Obamabots don’t comprehend the need for being diplomatic.

Re HRC’s speil about Kosovo/”to safeguard Serbian cultural & religious sites…”Please spare me, the Albans have already burned atleast 150 churches, with impunity, some 5-600 yrs old. She knows it. Interesting how neatly it has been swept under the carpet. And Jesus Reyes, what are you talking about?

I’m not in favor of Obama or Hillary. In terms of foreign affairs the difference between them is not goals but means. Don’t you deserve to know the goal?

Since Hillary is not just running on Bill’s record but as a part of it, then Hillary created Kosovo and built Camp Bondsteel.

I think a very presidential response would address the reasons for this. Not doing so looks like business as usual.

Putin has advised that if the US secedes Kosovo, he will secede South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Why is Russia against the secession of Kosovo? To what end is Kosovo, South Ossetia and Abkhazia related?

Why doesn’t Hillary want to address the geopolitics of this.

“This is a historic step that will allow the people of Kosova to finally live in their own democratic state.”

Really?

Isn’t this the simplistic manufactured narrative that you have been getting for the last 7 years?

Don’t you deserve context and history?

Reyes, I think I know the history, what is the context?

I’m asking Hillary, but it has something to do with the geopolitical contest with Russia over the control and delivery of Caspian oil to Europe.

she is a style of wonder and beauty. I guess a women can get out of jail and style look fabulous.i signed in the site blackcentury.com and some men were talking her and said she is attractive.

I have been to both Abhkazia & Sth Ossetia. They are not ethnically related to Georgians. After the dissolution of USSr these 2 former special districts were taken over by Georgia. NOT HAPPY. Anyhow Putin has stated the situations are similar.

Reyes, you might want to brush up on “Operation Storm” during the Clinton yrs…a hellava lot of ethnic Serbs were ethnicly cleansed from the Krajina region of Croatia, Serbs who had lived there for many, many generations & it barely made the news. GWB has followed through on Clinton’s iniative in the Balkans just as Clinton followed through on Bush the 41st NAFTA..lots of cooperation & dovetailing. Look at GWB & Condi tryin’ to do an Oslo quickie on Israel et al. All the fussin’ & fuedin’ on the surface is mostly window dressing for the peanut gallery. You ask what is the goal? You call it a goal. I call it an agenda & suspect its alot broader than your theory of Caspian oil or lack thereof for Europe. Think big. & as for your comment of “better to go with Soros” WHY? Isn’t he backing Obama. It’s a crazy world.

Can we apply this standard to Vermont?

Link away to DKos diaries/stories. But do try to link to the storyonly version (the permalink version) — for those on dial-up, the huge number of comments can be very hard to load. Thanks!

Large empires believe that secession and subdivision is good for other countries. Lots of small nations with lots of little, but now international, conflicts between them does help to keep any big coalition from forming. So where there was once a Yugoslavia and it spoke with a voice and that voice was Tito’s, now there are seven little nations of no consequence.
Iraq will make 3 nice little nations, kurdistan to be devoured by Turkey and Iran eventually., Shiastan at the head of the gulf and Sunnitstan where all those unexplored oil blocks that Cheney desires so much happen to be located.
Bolivia, where the US govt is encouraging the secession of the natural gas rich section from the other parts of Bolivia.
You should have seen the original Mountbatten map for the partitioning of India. Would have ended up with about seventeen different countries where India is now.
I wonder if China would be interested in helping the development of Aztlan.

I never went to Kos before Larry Johnson recently referenced it and after what I saw there, never will again.

Life is too short for crap like that.

Obamabots don’t comprehend the need for being diplomatic.

North,

Grow up. Hill was really diplomatic when she said Putin had no soul, right?

“I could have told him — he was a KGB agent. By definition he doesn’t have a soul,” Clinton joked.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Hillary_Putin_doesnt_have_a_soul.html

In response to a question pertaining to Senator Hillary Clinton’s remark that former KGB officers had no soul, Russian President Vladimir Putin replied: “At a minimum, a head of state should have a head.”
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=68504

Hillary is a hawkish fool.

Do we have a Zimbabwe currency printing press?

Bush OKs $698 million in Tanzanian aid
By Jon Ward
February 17, 2008
DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA — President Bush, in the midst of a warmly recieved visit here, today signed off on a $698 million aid package — the latest and largest installment in an innovative program aimed at holding recipient countries accountable for the loans they recieve.

The agreement, signed by Mr. Bush and Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete in front of the massive State House here in Tanzania’s capital, will go toward building infrastructure, clean water projects, and hydro power development.

I wonder if Larry has any comment on this story?

CIA’s ambitious post-9/11 spy plan crumbles

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-intel17feb17,0,3935942.story

SHort Answer: Yes.
Long answer: Yes, we do.
Longer answer: The promised monies will go into the pockets of the Kikwete administration people for the necessary Tanzanian infrastructure purchases of armored beamers, and the maintainence of the swiss banking infrastructure.

“If you build it they will come.”
The membrane that separates fantasy from reality is especially thin around the intelligence services of the Bush people.

What baffles me about this whole “let the popular vote” decide is that in order to do that, we would have to throw out all of the votes by REPUBLICANS and INDEPENDENTS in all of those primaries that allow them to vote for the DEMOCRATIC PATY candidate. At least the super delegates are Democrats.

What I resent is Republicans voting to nominate my part’s candidates. And I think they should allow Michigan and Florida ‘s delegates vote, because New Hampshire and Iowa also broke the rules by moving their primaries forward. They did that because they resented the idea that Nevada and South Carolina would have early primaries and for once diversity would play a factor in the race. So, if New Hampshire and Iowa get to have their delegates, so should Florida andd Michigan. It was uinfair for the DNC to allow Iowa to push them around, then get all tough with Florida. And I am pretty tired of hearing how Hillary campaigned in those states. Obama campaigned in Florida, not Hillary.