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Just Words, But Whose Words?

By SusanUnPC on February 18, 2008 at 1:03 AM in Barack Obama, David Axelrod, Deval Patrick

UPDATE: I posted this at DailyObama. You’ll find the comments very special. I made a number of additions that are definitely worth reading. (Also posted it at MyDD, with the updates.)
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The charismatic, brilliant, inspiring black politician came to the stage to address the latest attack from his white female opponent.

"Her dismissive point, and I hear it a lot from her staff, is all I have to offer is words," he said. "Just words.

"’We holds these truths to be self-evident,’" he continued as the crowd began to cheer and applaud, "’that all men are created equal’ — just words. Just words."

The applause increased.

"’We have nothing to fear but fear itself,’" the pol said. "Just words. ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.’ Just words,’" he said, switching effortlessly from our Founding Fathers to FDR to JFK.

And then, the piece de resistance: "’I have a dream’ — just words," he said.

Barack Obama rebutting Hillary Clinton circa 2008? (Report by ABC News’ Jake Tapper)

On the left: Deval Patrick, ultimately successful Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate, responding to then-Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey in October 2006.

On the right: Barack Obama, speaking Saturday night at the Wisconsin Democratic party dinner following Hillary Clinton. Obama got great applause, although his enthused supporters had no clue he was just reviving a well-honed line not only NOT created by Obama but by another campaign, all engineered by guess who:

What do the 2006 and 2008 mimickers share in their quest to overcome their lack of substance with lofty rhetoric? The man who has the fix for just that kind of problem: “Since last year, observers have been noting that rhetorical similarities between the two candidates with vaguely similar biographies and campaign pitches — who also share political guru David Axelrod,” writes Jake Tapper in today’s ABC News Political Punch. That’s right, it’s David Axelrod, Obama’s campaign manager who in 2006 was Deval’s manager.

Who else is copying the lines? Obama disciple and former Sen. Bill Bradley on today’s CNN Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer: “I mean, words are central to who we are as a people. I mean, we hold these truths to be self-evident, give me liberty, give me death, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” (It’s darn sure that Bill Bradley got the internal memo on how to counter the charge of lack of specific substance in Obama’s droning speeches.)

I guess it’s kosher for Axelrod’s two guys to lift each other’s best material — but it would have been more proper for Obama, delivering those lines as his own, heard supposedly for the first time as fresh rhetoric fluorishes to a large audience of rapt Democrats, to have acknowledged to his starry-eyed audience — who thought those were Obama’s OWN WORDS — that they came from Deval Patrick in Massachusetts. Or, as Tapper points out, both lifted from Patrick, who was similarly challenged to show something more substantive than his lofty, empty rhetoric his opponent criticized him for.

And Axelrod says"Yes we can" was Obama’s campaign slogan in 2004. (So Obama echoed Patrick who echoed Obama.)

Of course, all of it is an English pinch of the slogan Si Se Puede from the United Farm Workers from 1972! (Tapper)

So that message of hope is pretty much about delivering other people’s lines without telling his audience he’s doing so? What else is he “cribbing”? Well, we know he cribbed Sen. Clinton’s infrastructure plan, then had a hissy fit when she dared to point that out. And much more .. that I’ll share with you then.

I leave you with this from New York magazine: “A Second Obama Plagiarism Scandal?”

chris

Thanks Susan. Yes we can, point out that someone is playing some old cards and they may work on the short memory folks, but…
Consider this…
What do Jon Favreau, Adam Frankel, and David Axelrod have in common with Karl Rove?
n

susan, isn’t obama also being taken to task by bob the builder for stealing his slogan of can we fix it? yes we can!? seens to be a patternn stealing clinton policiesn patrick speechesn and slogans from chavez and bob the builer! this I part of a broad pattern of intellectual dishonestyn including citing a student newspaper in his harry and louise mailer and his own website in another!

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Testing new feature

bernie00

How about “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for”?
Another steal The Beloved Leader took credit for…

http://Scotch Scotch

Someone told me last night on a blog that that phrase was taken from a feminist’s writing. I can’t recall the name, but the person who was explaining this to me was quite irate that I was calling Obama on his sloganeering and cultish talk, when he takes his lines from such astute writers. This apparent plagerism is okay with Obama supporters, I guess. All of it seems to have come from someone else but him, and he is the one who is supposed to be so good with words.

chris

I think you mean Alice Walker. I really dig Alice Walker. She’s amazing author and person. The lifting of these phrases disgusts me. Is nothing sacred? I think if you are going to Quote Thomas Jefferson, then say so. “As Thomas Jefferson did say…” and this is why that is important.

The cheapening of the words of our elders, direct or assumed is disgusting. These sorts of thefts of intellectual prowess are disgusting and the staff writers who use them should be given a Thai style caning.

Ok, I’ll chill for a second to say, seriously, can I respect someone who borrows, er steals, Si Se Puede, Just Words, Policy positions, and pretends to be above the attacks while engaging in them? The man behind the curtain?

zmaster

Alice Walker has endorsed Obama BTW

You guys look pretty desperate trying to pin down if Barrack’s words have ever been uttered before…

chris

zmaster? is that short for zenmaster?
What a Tall What That Is, What a Short One This Is?

For a Z Master, you seemed to have missed the point.

“trying to pin down if Barrack’s words have ever been uttered”.

No….that is a complete mischaracterization of the point of this discussion which is the repeating of phrases used by others by a candidate who wants to be President. If they cannot pen elegant words, wax on with eloquence, then they shouldn’t be faking as if “Yes we can”.

What is being said, Z Master, is that Obama and his campaign are fakes. “You guys” is the first giveaway of your prejudiced mind. You see a “you guys”.

What the dif if Alice Walker has endorsed Obama. Are you going to coincide that with something, or that a driveby examination?

chris

Its kind of like back in the day when I told fans of Milli Vanilli, “They are Fake”…”why you playa hatin on Milli Vanilli, you’re just jealous”.
Sorry Fab Morvan and Rob Piliteous, Barack is stealing your show…and he even got a Grammy for it.

BernieO

How’d that work our for Milli Vanilli and fans?

Fred C. Dobbs

“It’s only Words, and Words are all I have to take your heart away.” – Maurice and Barry Gibb

S Williamson

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/messages/oct28/hopi.htm

The phrase came from the Hopi elders.

Masslib

This is just pathetic, and I am sure the press will give him a pass. What a phoney. Also, Hillary has actually uttered two of the most famous political quotes in 20 years, “women’s rights are human rights”, and “I still believe in a place called hope.” What she means is Obama words lack substance, which of course, they do.
Mike Howell

It’s like American Idol meets Straight or Gay with effeminate men being given the same script.

It bugs me when Barack Hussein Obama changes his accent depending on which part of the country he’s in.

Does his teleprompter actually say – now with Boston accent JFK – or now with Southern accent MLK?

Even Ronald Reagan wasn’t that weird.
Northwest rain

Not to worry, Susan. If Obama does it — well the rules don’t apply to Obama — so never mind.

susanunpc

That’s the NEW rule: No rules apply!

Ed

Go over to The Third Estate Sunday Review
http://thirdestatesundayreview.blogspot.com/2008/02/sad-rot-of-left.html

And you’ll find this quote from someone who endorsed Barack Obama, “I think it is ridiculous not to acknowledge that a black candidate at this level is fundamentally different from all white candidates who have come before or who are now competing. the more so a black candidate who has risked jail by doing drugs, and who has relatives TODAY living in the Third World (Kenya).”

It’s David Lindorff they’re quoting.

How sick are some of the people endorsing Obama that they’d claim “he risked jail by doing drugs”? That’s pretty sick.

Masslib

OMG! Someone give him a medal. He “risked” jail by partying. What a dreamy hero. LOL.
BernieO

Maybe they are laying the groudwork to counter McCain’s supporters when they say he risked his life in Vietnam and actually was in prison there. Will they say that Obama is smarter because he never got caught?

n

I believe the we are the ones weve been waiting for line came from alice walker in the color purple. oprah endorsed him and she loves walker so obama can steal walker’s words. his daughter loves bob the builder, and his daughter loes him so he can steal bobs words. duh!

zmaster

walker has endorsed obama herself – what does oprah have to do with this?

TeakWoodKite

If O indorsed O then… the the book club is free.

Petrus

Its getting closer in Wisconsin. The trend in Pollster, http://www.pollster.com/08-WI-Dem-Pres-Primary.php
, shows Clinton getting some traction. Sen. Clinton can win and hopefully its a good sign that the snow forced her to reconsider and stay to campaign on Monday. The article in the Journal Sentinel, http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=719146, has her stumping even though the snow wrecked the itinerary for sunday.
All the polls have Hillary leading in Texas except the strange inaccurate ARG poll which has Obama leading. Texas has a large hispanic population that will be with her until the end.
Audentes fortuna iuvat.
Pacific John

Here we go:

We Are the Ones We Have Been Waiting For: Light in a Time of Darkness
Banquo’s Ghost

I hate Obama! I hate Obama! I hate Obama!

OK, that should take care of “SussanUnPC”‘s next 50 posts.

Masslib

This post was about plagiarism, not hate. You get it. He plagiarized Deval Patrick’s speech. That’s what it is called when you lift someone’s speech and use it as your own. It’s plagiarism. Does that make you uncomfortable or something?

zor2000

I am from Massachusetts. If Obama turns out like Deval we loose again.
Deval is clueless. He can speak but he cannot do.

mimi

“I am from Massachusetts. If Obama turns out like Deval we loose again.
Deval is clueless. He can speak but he cannot do.”

Let’s not lose focus here, people. This is the bigger issue. How a well-spoken candidate, with a glaringly similar campaign has done nothing but stumble his first year. Interesting that no media outlet has interviewed the good citizens of Mass. and asked them: “How’s Deval Patrick worked out for ya?” This really strengthens the contention that Obama at this point in time is the wrong person to be President. We don’t need an on-the-job trainee feeling his way around for the first year with the economy in the shape that it’s in.

To me, this is BIGGER than the words controversy that the Obamatons are already trivializing. Time to instill reasonable doubt in the voting populace. Deval Patrick’s example will do that. Maybe that’s the reason why the good people of Massachussetts went for Hillary in spite of Kennedy and Kerry.
Masslib

Deval still has time to become a good Governor. For the record, I like Deval. Obama is no Deval.

Rosalind Cunningham

No No No I hate him more!!!!!
http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Please don’t comment here unless you have something substantive to say. You sound an awful like like your empty-suit candidate. I mean that. You can’t fill up real estate here, forcing people to scroll through your baloney, unless you can be factual and do more than try to smear the writers.

He can QUOTE other people! We ALL do. But he HAS to acknowledge the origins. He gave those lines to the duped Democrats in Wisconsin as if those “magic” lines came from his own mouth for the FIRST time before THEIR very eyes.

I woke up early, and on Morning Joe, they were mocking the criticisms of Obama’s plagiarism … another show I’ve had to stop watching because they are ALL in the bag for Obama, but don’t disclose their affiliations regularly enough — particularly Mika, whose father is an adviser. And Scarborough, not stupid, is secretly salivating at promoting Obama so they can whip his ass in the general.

TeakWoodKite

Some trolls, contrary to popular belief require as feeding as you can make them ingest. Then will pop like plagerizing ticks noramlly do.
The plagerism is a echo chamber technique…

I am not surprised Obama has not heard that talk is cheap.
Especially when it is not your material.
CognitiveDissonance

Geez, recycled hope – is there anything original about this guy?

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Uh no. I fear he is rather like a revivalist schuckster.

That quote above from one of his admirers — about him risking jail because he did drugs — that’s one that shows just how besotted these “followers” are.

They are all acting like Tom Cruise on Scientology!

Mark my words: If he is president, and fails miserably, which he will, in a couple or three years, they’ll begin to hate him and denounce him, that is if they’ve woken up yet and if they still TRULY care about the issues that made them Democrats in the first place.

Fred C. Dobbs

>>> That quote above from one of his admirers — about him risking jail because he did drugs — that’s one that shows just how besotted these “followers” are.

Makes a tough case AGAINST Unrestricted Reproduction, doesn’t it?

Northwest rain

Meanwhile Obamabots can’t tell you what Obama has done — all they can do is spew falsehoods and hatred and general sexist bs about Senator Clinton.

Hillary Clinton has a life time of solid achievements FOR children and for Americans. Women’s rights are human rights — neither Obama nor his wife have a record of getting on the front lines and FIGHTING for human rights.

I feel certain that one of thing that Obama has on the table to negotiate with the GOP — so that they’ll like him and not pick on him — is women’s rights.

Theft of words is stealing — Obama should have attributed the words he used and not claimed them as his own.

Taylor Marsh writes: “Barack Obama isn’t an original. He’s the first 21st century L. Ron Hubbard of politics, Elmer Gantry, name your huckster.

‘”I have a dream” just became “I have a con.” (end of quote)

I really like the way Taylor Marsh has with words — maybe I should just take the words and use them like I came up with them all on my own.

Here’s the end of Taylor’s blog on the Obama con:

Cons eventually catch up with you. Obama’s played his supporters for suckers. They bought into the hope hype, sucking up this stuff with a straw, only to find out Obama’s not an original, he’s a knock off, of a governor, no less. Siphoning off of a winning campaign to try to win the presidency with a formula. Hey, it’s politics. One campaign model fits ‘em all. Put your twenty bucks in the bucket and shut the hell up!

The traditional media, cable talking heads, and quite a few large progressive blogs have regurgitated the Obama story like a pack of nomads wandering in the political desert in search of sustenance; people bankrupt of political or factual integrity looking for the answer and refusing to see what was in front of their faces all along. The question is whether the journalists who bought into the Obama hype, along with the cable talking heads who propped his campaign up, and the Obama blogs who didn’t care one whit about the facts or his record but were only interested in spreading their Hillary hatred, have got so much invested they won’t have the honesty, the integrity, and the moral courage to back peddle on
their craven cave in before it’s not only too late for them, but too late for the Democratic
party.

Barack Obama isn’t an original. He’s the first 21st century L. Ron Hubbard of politics, Elmer Gantry, name your huckster.

“I have a dream” just became “I have a con.”

Taylor Marsh . com 17 Feb 2008

We already know how the Obamabots will react — blah blah blah blah.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Damn she is good. And she’s been even better of late. She is firing on all cylinders.

I read “The True Believers” a long time ago — it was required reading my freshman year at the university I attended. Hoffer described the mindset of those who can be turned into “bots” and become infantalized by their cult following.

Sometimes, rarely, I’ve wished I had the mindset to get into blind belief — it’d be so comforting, and it’d make the world seem SO simple. Like the rapture people — they’ve got it all figured out, and KNOW they’re saved.

But one thing, among many, that’ll never permit that to happen to me is that it is so boring. There’s no intellectual challenge in being a blind follower. And I don’t like being told how to think about everything. Maybe the Obamadroids will wake up, but I kinda doubt it.

ANOTHER THING: I was watching the ads on TV this morning. They’re ALL about fantasy. The father is dressed as Mr. Sunshine delivering “healthy” (not) cereal to his son. Oil companies are saving our planet. Cars are making us feel unbelievably virile and powerful. Makeup is transforming us into unbelievable beauties. Getting rid of bald spots will make men have women coming at them in droves.

No wonder the younger generation, in particular, is CUED to believe any fantasy. They’ve been trained to do so.

Taters

Don’t forget his watered down version of Malcolm X soundbites. What a huckster.
kenoshaMarge

Words are indeed powerful things. But unless you acknowledge that you’re quoting someone else you’re just another phony. The powerful words Obama is quoting were powerful words from people that had the guts, the integrity, the intellect and the honor to use their own words to express powerful feelings.
Smarmy politicians have always used other people’s words. Real leaders, real messengers of hope and change, use their own words and they are words of substance. Plagiarism is plagiarism and hoping no one will notice is stupid. Of course knowing that a corrupt media and a lack of integrity in left Blogostan will not mention said integrity must help Obama and his supporters feel free to plagiarism with glee.
Using the words of “great” people as campaign rhetoric to attack an opponent seems tacky at the very least. The words should mean more to both those mouthing them and those hearing them.

Fingal

Oh come on. I think it’d be great if politicians wrote their own speeches and we could judge them by their skill at being able to step back from the details and describe the overall vision on the basis of which they have made and will make decisions. Certainly our current Dear Leader would have been culled out pretty early. Or not, depending on how Mencken-esque is your view of the voting public’s intelligence.

But all this hyperventilation is a bit much. OMG! A candidate “steals” words written by one of his rhetorical support staff, for another candidate? Oh, cut my laces!!!

The objections to HRC are not all based on sexism or the Clintons-are-antichrist campaigns of the right-wing lunatic set. While I worry about Obama being too ready to sing kumbaya with the Pig People, HRC has shown herself, along with her husband, to be a bit too ready to cut deals with those same Pig People (or their DC representatives) that leaves us, the general public, screwed. I say it’s triangulation, and I say to hell with it.

F.
Fingal

…and wait a minute, are you suggesting that the words of Jefferson, FDR, JFK, and MLK, quoted by Deval Patrick, were not “acknowledged” as quotes? Surely not — the whole point was that these were words everyone already knows.

I think it’s perfectly valid to ask what someone will do in concrete terms to put those words into practice. But we’ve seen that competence at public policy does *not* get you elected. People’s eyes glaze over if you get wonky on the stump. At least Obama is *raising* hopes, which I find a whole helluva lot better than the relentless lowering of hopes and raising of fears we’ve been subjected to in recent years. And if he lights up a movement, that movement will put political pressure on him to, at the very least, make a credible attempt to put those words into practice. I fear that HRC would always be triangulating with the Rupert Murdochs, and then “sadly” explaining to the more progressive among us that our expectations are unrealistic. Speaking personally, I’m really tired of this kind of American “can’t do” mentality.

I worry about Obama’s kumbaya, too, but there’s at least a chance he won’t become a pod. And since he’ll be beholden to a movement, rather than solely to wealthy financiers, even flinty-eyed realism could push him in the right direction.

BernieO

Biden was doing really well in his 1998 presidential campaign using a slightly modified speech from a British politician. From what I understand he had used it before with attribution, but that did not matter. The media was all over it and he was toast.
Of course the media rules have changed since then. After all Mike Barnicle guest-hosts regularly on MSNBC and he was fired from the Boston Globe for making up stories. Guess if the good ol’ boys’ club accept you none of this matters.

Fingal

The media decide who they want in and out. Right now, they have decided they like the Melanin vs. Estrogen story.

You may have noticed that Edwards was polling better against Giuliani than HRC was, but still, gosh darn it, couldn’t get any “traction” — or any mention in the media. This could have been due to his lack of the aforementioned biological attributes, or could have been because our corporate rulers were soiling their dry goods at the prospect of someone who knew their game and intended to play it against them.

I guess I’m saying I agree with you that “the media,” meaning the mainstream corporate media conglomoplex, is a bad actor, but I think that’s so in a broader sense than you suggest.

F.

LuigiDaMan

Again, the Obamacons present cannot fathom the real issue: Their Leader masquerades as the real deal, the real thing. But, he’s so short on inspiration, he has to steal it to deal it. Can “I have a dream…” be far behind?

Questions: When’s Hillary going to ask “So, Where’s the beef?”

Mike Howell

LuigiDaMan –

“Where’e the beef”

is what I’ve been thinking too. But the average age of Urkle voters being 18, they wouldn’t understand that reference either.

Isn’t it cute watching the kids pick a President? They forget to feed the dog, but what the heck!

Obamamania brought on by Empty Suit Syndrome.

Taters

Well done Susan. The Obama enablers are indeed apologists of the first rank.
They bear an uncanny resemblance to Bush apologists.
And a more than striking similarity to those that say OJ didn’t do it – despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Anne

Barack Obama says that it’s so much easier to make real change and get things done when people are inspired and feel called to do it. I don’t disagree with that – it’s why cheerleaders rally the fans behind a team, why coaches give speeches to their players in the locker room, why companies send employees to motivational seminars – and, it’s also why infomercials are so successful. Watch a couple of them and you, too, can be hooked: you will sculpt a new body in only 20 minutes a day, 3 times a week; you will have beautiful skin, you will be able to cook complete meals in only 15 minutes – I mean, who hasn’t watched one of those things and been mesmerized? And willing to call the number on the screen and part with a couple hundred dollars?

As much as Obama has tried to position himself in the slot with Jefferson and FDR and MLK and JFK, the revelation that Deval Patrick was speaking off the same script Obama is now reading from casts all this inspiration as nothing more than a recycled sales pitch.

And I think it will hurt him. Why? Because the people who bought into his rhetoric thought this was a one-of-a-kind, new brand of leader – a candidate not like all the other candidates, the only one who could change things because he was the embodiment of change.

Well, it’s hard to look at Patrick and Obama side-by-side and not be confronted with the truth that Obama is nothing new; it’s equally hard not to wonder if his plans and policies are as empty of authenticity. Is it possible that the masterful sales job is just about getting people to buy the product, and not about transcending the partisan divide and ending the bitterness?

He’s used this combination pep rally/revival meeting approach because it’s worked for him – what happens when he can’t use it, or it falls flat because people aren’t eating it up with a spoon?

When you take away the ability of Obama to use the rhetoric the way he has, what is his sales pitch? How does he make the magic happen if he can’t deliver these soaring speeches as if they were his own creation? What happens when people listen and wonder who he stole the inspiring words from?

This could be very interesting.
Mike Howell

Omabamania = Empty Suit Syndrome!

It has a neat beat and I can dance to it =

We are the Ones We have Been Waiting For

Doesn’t the fact that nobody knows exactly where he lifted that stupid phrase tie into the rest of this discussion?

How about an analogy from the Bob Newhart show: Obama invented gravy!
Anne

Against my better judgment, I went and looked at the comments on the Daily Joke – those people are too far gone to ever come back. I guess they don’t get that Deval Patrick now coming out to say that it’s just peachy that Obama is using material from Patrick’s campaign is not really the point.

You know, I understand that people can develop blind spots about their preferred candidate, can part company with logic in order to defend their candidate, but…

am I crazy to think that, for the most part, those supporting Hillary know what her faults are, what her weak points are, where she has been inconsistent – and can admit them in public. She’s the human candidate in the race – the one like all the rest of us who have never been perfect, have done things we regret, hae learned from our mistakes. We are people like this, we love people like this – these are our families.

What I see from Obama supporters is no willingness to see his flaws, or to even admit that he has flaws – so any questions are turned away because, well, Obama can do no wrong. Which makes him not human. Which means those that dare to question must be punished for their heresy.

What continues to astound me is the irony of someone who preaches (and yes, he does preach, and I’m getting really, really tired of the pastoral inflection and tone of his voice) unity and the end of bitterness, and who has the most divisive, bitter and cruel supporters out there. I just fail to see the positives in people getting out the long knives for those who do not support Obama – but I think the Obama supporters are completely and utterly irony-proof.

Susan, I applaud your willingness to take on the gangs roaming Daily Joke with their pitchforks and clubs, looking for errant Clinton supporters to beat up on and drive away. I always thought that to be progressive meant a willingness to listen and engage – this closed-mindedness that Obama has inspired in people does not bode well for the cause, does it?
bob h

That Barack has pulled a Joe Biden is probably not a big deal here, but it is the sort of thing that Republicans would grasp onto and ridicule in a general election. It is the sort of seemingly minor thing that Republicans would be more than happy to make a big deal out of.
http://www.iraqrev.blogspot.com nightjar

OMG, a politician said something that was not original. First you and others label Obama an empty suit who just gives a great speech. Then you transfer that to claim that Obama embraces such a silly notion. And finally proclaim that since everything word he says isn’t original then everything he says is suspect. Dear lord, so you support Hillary, that’s Ok. But to jump on the GOP Obama talking point bandwagon is contemptible.
OxyCon

Chris, I love it!
Deval and Barack ARE Milli Vanilli!
All we need now is for some creative genius to make a Youtube video of Deval and Barack giving the same speech with some Milli Vanilli songs and imagery thrown in and the thing will go viral.
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ybnormal

Just an observation:
I haven’t read Alice Walker’s book ‘We are the ones we have been waiting for’, and I’m not a subscriber to Publisher’s Weekly, but quoting from
http://www.powells.com/biblio/9781595581372?&PID=32318
PW’s review used by various booksellers:

“In a speech to the graduating class of the California Institute of Integral Studies, Walker urges that we not fear the pause that ‘wisdom requires’ when ‘something major is accomplished,’ despite our eagerness to rush into ‘The Future.’”

- compared with her view of Obama,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3-9gq_htUo
“He knows he has what it takes, I know he has what it takes. Well the other people have had so much experience in misleading us, in disappointing us, and never telling us the truth hardly ever about why they’re doing things, so we don’t need any more of that.”

From the few other items I’ve read of Walker’s, she seems capable of offering useful insight. But in this case, she might want to use her own advice RE the pause that wisdom requires before rushing into the future.

Dismissing experience because other’s experience was used negatively, amounts to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Cee

I wasn’t going to comment on this non-story either but this is funny.

Hillary may have used the words of others.

Late Update: Jake Tapper reports on the same conference call I referenced above:

I asked Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson and Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass, if they could assure the public that neither Clinton nor McGovern has ever done what Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, did when he used the rhetoric of Gov. Deval Patrick without footnoting him.

They would not.

In fact, Wolfson seemed to say it wouldn’t be as big a deal if it were discovered that Clinton had “lifted” such language.

“Sen. Clinton is not running on the strength of her rhetoric,” Wolfson said.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Heather

Ed guessed right, the quote is unidentified by The Third Estate Sunday Review but it is from Dave Lindorff who is usually a smart left critic. The e-mail was sent to me and I attempted to foward it to both C.I. (who took it to Third) and Larry but on Larry’s e-mail, I received an automated message I didn’t understand. If Susan or Larry is interested in it, they can contact me and I’ll forward it to them. I have never written Lindorff so I don’t consider it a “private” e-mail. He chose to write me because I left a comment disagreeing with his endorsement of Obama. If he wanted to disagree, he could have left a comment below mine disagreeing with him. I do think it’s a big deal that one of his endorsers, and Lindorff has some pull with those of us on the left, wants to cite “risking jail to do drugs” as courage.
By the way, there’s a very funny cartoon of the Republican pundits circling up on Obama here
http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2008/02/isaiahs-world-today-just-nuts-gop.html
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Jim Spriggs

I hate it when that happens.

If Obama becomes the nominee, I hope us Democrats aren’t going to throw up our hands and run around the room like scared little girly-men every time he makes a gaffe. Let’s put things into perspective:

Even though, thanks to Bush, the bar for misdeeds is much lower for Republicans, they will lose against a dead man.
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http://expatriateruminations.com/Blog/ Chris Brown

Mr. Johnson,

You and Taylor Marsh share my nomination for the most Shrill Shill.

You might consider changing the name of your blog to ‘No Quarter to Obama”

This quote of yours, relative to your 2005 meeting with Clinton, is all I needed to hear to know that you’re really a dope.

“Sadly, much of my initial opinion about Senator Clinton was based on the filth I had heard about her lack of character and private behavior.”

Anyone who would take the least bit seriously the nonsense proffered during the 1990s by the multi-billion dollar Clinton hate industry has got to be a real dumb ass. And the more I read about you and what you write the more I am convinced that you are indeed a dumb ass.
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