Comments on: The first speech…the first diss http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/ Fri, 25 May 2012 02:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: ziggy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149875 ziggy Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:09:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149875 For a campaign of lies to be really work well you've got to keep track of them with a chart. I found this one before the election. Click on the small chart to enlarge it. http://mediamattersaction.org/swiftboating/ For a campaign of lies to be really work well you’ve got to keep track of them with a chart. I found this one before the election. Click on the small chart to enlarge it. http://mediamattersaction.org/swiftboating/

]]> By: James http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149868 James Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:55:19 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149868 He's a politician. What else is new? He’s a politician. What else is new?

]]> By: Jay L http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149847 Jay L Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:10:50 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149847 Well said Karma Well said Karma

]]> By: lark http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149693 lark Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:44:31 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149693 Exactly. I can read you better than you can self-reflect about your own words. Whatever, no? Exactly. I can read you better than you can self-reflect about your own words. Whatever, no?

]]> By: cynic http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149684 cynic Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:34:06 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149684 The words I chose said what I meant. I suppose you're free to read into them whatever you like, but those thoughts are your own, not mine. The words I chose said what I meant. I suppose you’re free to read into them whatever you like, but those thoughts are your own, not mine.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149681 Elizabeth Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:20:41 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149681 Foreign perspective : I watch the Japanese news networks regularly for language practice and while none of the commentary on the speech itself was negative, that First Lady line was conspicuously cut out of all major broadcast translations. Which was a very good thing, too. Overseas producers might not have known it was supposed to be "fellow citizens" or "fellow Americans" but clearly did feel it to be highly inappopriate. They played the role of gatekeeper and kept it from wider dissemination this time. But trash the Office like that and it will catch up with you very quickly. Foreign perspective : I watch the Japanese news networks regularly for language practice and while none of the commentary on the speech itself was negative, that First Lady line was conspicuously cut out of all major broadcast translations.

Which was a very good thing, too. Overseas producers might not have known it was supposed to be “fellow citizens” or “fellow Americans” but clearly did feel it to be highly inappopriate. They played the role of gatekeeper and kept it from wider dissemination this time. But trash the Office like that and it will catch up with you very quickly.

]]> By: lark http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149680 lark Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:17:04 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149680 In other words... you are proposing to give Obama a benefit of the doubt and to deal with problems when the problems show up, no? So Greenspan and Bush knew that these problems would occur but they made the same decisions you prefer us to make, that is to take care of the problems when they occur, like Greenspan did for the problems we are having now. You like that approach, no? In other other words, you are against Obama's meme of responsibility, no? Pave the road to benefit Obama's administration and when the next administration takes over, let them deal with those problems his administration creates, no? In other words, you feel proud to belong to the whatever generation, no? In other words… you are proposing to give Obama a benefit of the doubt and to deal with problems when the problems show up, no?

So Greenspan and Bush knew that these problems would occur but they made the same decisions you prefer us to make, that is to take care of the problems when they occur, like Greenspan did for the problems we are having now. You like that approach, no?

In other other words, you are against Obama’s meme of responsibility, no? Pave the road to benefit Obama’s administration and when the next administration takes over, let them deal with those problems his administration creates, no?

In other words, you feel proud to belong to the whatever generation, no?

]]> By: cynic http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149665 cynic Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:21:53 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149665 I'm just saying that I don't necessarily consider people liking their president and the president enjoying their approval to be a dysfunctional relationship. We'll see how democratic policies play out over time. I won't judge them as failed until the evidence is in. Meanwhile, I don't believe promoting an expectation of failure is good for the markets or good for the country. I’m just saying that I don’t necessarily consider people liking their president and the president enjoying their approval to be a dysfunctional relationship.

We’ll see how democratic policies play out over time. I won’t judge them as failed until the evidence is in. Meanwhile, I don’t believe promoting an expectation of failure is good for the markets or good for the country.

]]> By: Karma http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149659 Karma Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:07:59 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149659 State of the Union Address (January 31, 2006) George W. Bush "Thank you all. Mr. Speaker, Vice President Cheney, Members of Congress, members of the Supreme Court and diplomatic corps, distinguished guests, and fellow citizens:" ~~~~ State of the Union Address (January 25, 1994) Bill Clinton "Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, Mr. President, Members of the 103d Congress, my fellow Americans:" ~~~~ Address Before a Joint Session of Congress (February 09, 1989) George H. W. Bush "Mr. Speaker, Mr. President, and distinguished Members of the House and Senate, honored guests, and fellow citizens:" ~~~ Reagan addressed the citizens, Carter addressed no one in the intro. Ford didn't address the citizens but the distinguished guests were included. Nixon, Johnson did, and once Kennedy did (hmmm...maybe someone copied of off his test again...lol). Eisenhower and Truman did not address the citizens....though it was a different time and television was new. More often than not 'distinguished guests' and/or 'fellow citizens' are honored with the VP, the Speaker and Congress in the intro. As kids of the tv era the nightly news cuts away to the Justices with the intro. The CSPAN feed doesn't cut to them but I have witnessed the Justices nod or smile back at the president's welcome more than once. It is a tv shot I wait for every time. They always shows them in the beginning. TV editing may of given us the image...but the honor is there with 'distinguished guests'. State of the Union Address (January 31, 2006)
George W. Bush

“Thank you all. Mr. Speaker, Vice President Cheney, Members of Congress, members of the Supreme Court and diplomatic corps, distinguished guests, and fellow citizens:”

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State of the Union Address (January 25, 1994)
Bill Clinton

“Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, Mr. President, Members of the 103d Congress, my fellow Americans:”

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Address Before a Joint Session of Congress (February 09, 1989)
George H. W. Bush

“Mr. Speaker, Mr. President, and distinguished Members of the House and Senate, honored guests, and fellow citizens:”

~~~

Reagan addressed the citizens, Carter addressed no one in the intro.

Ford didn’t address the citizens but the distinguished guests were included.

Nixon, Johnson did, and once Kennedy did (hmmm…maybe someone copied of off his test again…lol).

Eisenhower and Truman did not address the citizens….though it was a different time and television was new.

More often than not ‘distinguished guests’ and/or ‘fellow citizens’ are honored with the VP, the Speaker and Congress in the intro.

As kids of the tv era the nightly news cuts away to the Justices with the intro. The CSPAN feed doesn’t cut to them but I have witnessed the Justices nod or smile back at the president’s welcome more than once. It is a tv shot I wait for every time. They always shows them in the beginning.

TV editing may of given us the image…but the honor is there with ‘distinguished guests’.

]]> By: lark http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149656 lark Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:55:48 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149656 So you admit all of it is for the populist effect. And you admit too that you think in those terms too. Likability and approval. What results of all of this in none of your concern. The fact that Panzner told Art Bell that Obama's policies will crash the country and that Art Bell took note does not matter to you. Is all theater and you like the show because you like when the plot thickens. No? So you admit all of it is for the populist effect. And you admit too that you think in those terms too. Likability and approval. What results of all of this in none of your concern. The fact that Panzner told Art Bell that Obama’s policies will crash the country and that Art Bell took note does not matter to you. Is all theater and you like the show because you like when the plot thickens. No?

]]> By: beebop http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149653 beebop Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:50:38 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149653 And yet his approvals are somehow not what they were .... He isn't going to pull off what he vaguely indicated he might or could or would and then <em><strong>his</strong></em> stock will tumble. And we all know how attractive he isn't when he's petulent .... brushing off his shoulders like a hip hop artist. And yet his approvals are somehow not what they were ….

He isn’t going to pull off what he vaguely indicated he might or could or would and then his stock will tumble. And we all know how attractive he isn’t when he’s petulent …. brushing off his shoulders like a hip hop artist.

]]> By: cynic http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149652 cynic Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:42:44 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149652 Nothing seems to drive Obama's detractors up the wall quite so much as the obvious fact that the majority of the American people <em>like</em> him, and that he clearly enjoys having their approval. Nothing seems to drive Obama’s detractors up the wall quite so much as the obvious fact that the majority of the American people like him, and that he clearly enjoys having their approval.

]]> By: FLDemFem http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149642 FLDemFem Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:20:30 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149642 Why would anyone think a man who voluntarily married Madonna had any taste? Or think he was any sort of arbiter regarding elegance? Why would anyone think a man who voluntarily married Madonna had any taste? Or think he was any sort of arbiter regarding elegance?

]]> By: Gerard McNedich http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149622 Gerard McNedich Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:34:20 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149622 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMo0WlSvrIY ah ha haha ha... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMo0WlSvrIY

ah ha haha ha…

]]> By: lark http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/15590/the-first-speechthe-first-diss/#comment-1149596 lark Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:31:04 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=15590#comment-1149596 Yes. Yes.

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