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At least Hillary and Barack appear to understand the damage that has been inflicted on our Army and Marines because of our continued presence in Iraq.  According to CNN:

The Iraq war has strained U.S. forces to the point where they could not fight another large-scale war, according to a survey of military officers.

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U.S. troops patrol Haifa Street in Baghdad last week.

Of those surveyed, 88 percent believe the demands of the Iraq war have “stretched the U.S. military dangerously thin.”

On the other hand, 56 percent of the officers disagree that the war has “broken” the military.

Eighty percent of officers believe it is unreasonable to expect the U.S. military to wage another major war successfully at present.

Foreign Policy magazine and the Center for a New American Security on Tuesday issued the U.S. Military Index, a survey of 3,400 present and former U.S. military officers.

“We asked the officers whether they thought the U.S. military was stronger or weaker than it was five years ago,” said Michael Boyer, who helped write the report.

“Sixty percent said the U.S. military is weaker than it was five years ago,” Boyer told reporters.

But the danger is more than our inability to fight another war.  There is the danger that we are breaking the Army and Marines.  Barry McCaffrey voiced these concerns in recent testimony before the U.S. Congress:

With US requirements in Afghanistan – estimated by McCaffrey at four brigades permanently engaged in a campaign that would last 15 years, a continued war on terrorism in Southwest Asia has become nearly impossible. Additionally, McCaffrey says, “The US Army is starting to unravel. Our recruiting campaign is bringing into the army thousands of new soldiers who should not be in uniform” – those with criminal records, who have used drugs, who have been given moral waivers, or who have not graduated from high school. A senior Pentagon official agrees. “We have increased our recruiting totals and tripled the number of our police battalions,” he says, bitterly. “We will soon have to build new stockades to handle the influx.”

And let’s not forget the views of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:

In military parlance, Inman and Warner’s call for a “cleaner command structure” is reflected by complaints of senior military officers that “the interagency process is broken” – code for the view among the staff of the Joint Chiefs that no one is listening to their views. “The JCS has been thumping the table for two years over how we can’t sustain our troops levels in Iraq and no one has been listening,” a Defense Department official says. “No one is talking to anyone. During Rumsfeld’s term you would have thought that we were at war with Condi Rice, not al-Qaeda.”

And this is just the personnel.  We are not even beginning to address the need to re-equip Army Reserve and National Guard units with planes, trucks, armored personnel carriers, and Humvees.  Add to this the cost of taking care of the wounded–both physical and mental–streaming out of Iraq and Afghanistan.  The economic cost is enormous but is dwarfed by the human cost.  Tough to put dollar signs on broken hearts, shattered minds, and tears for the dead.

Come September I suspect John McCain will be backing away from his claim that we will spend 100 years in Iraq.  We won’t  because we cannot afford the bill.

  • Banquo’s Ghost

    It certainly seems true that McCain is yet another politician happy to (ab)use the armed forces as if they are a political football.

  • Taters

    Powerful. Thanks, Larry.

  • Taters

    BTW Larry,
    My nephew just returned from Afgahnistan and was deployed in Iraq prior to that. The army wanted him to become an officer.(He has a Master’s in Bus. Admin.) He passed and is now entering civilan life.
    He’s a pretty sharp tack and what you’re stating may have been factored into his decision. He was going to do it until about 3 or 4 months ago.

  • John

    Might as well start calling him President McCain. I’ve lost all hope that my party is going to nominate the only candidate left in the race that can win. McCain will roll right over Obama the moment the “journalists” slap themselves on the forehead and decided “hey, let’s start checking up on this Barack guy”- which will be as soon as he wraps up the nomination.

    Obama wins nine states this fall- Massachusetts, Vermont, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Illinois and Hawaii.

  • alexei

    Take NY out and I can agree with you.

  • Banquo’s Ghost

    And you imagine that Obama will lose in California, Oregon, Washington State? Maryland will vote for McCain?

    Washington State experienced massive, record turnout for the primary, the biggest ever. It already is dependably Blue. Why do you think that big turnout for the Democrat candidate in Washington State, a normally Democratic state, will result in the election going to McCain there?

  • Banquo’s Ghost

    Believe it or not, she is not trailing Obama in the popular vote solely because of a conspiracy amongst journalists. There might be other factors, if you pause to consider it all. She might not be as inspirational a figure as her husband was in ’92, when he was 1992′s Obama.

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  • yttik

    I’m with you. President McCain. Bloody hell.
    I’ve resorted to visiting rabid blogs to comfort myself. So far I’ve discovered that McCain is a raging liberal who won’t excute illegals, lock up gays, or burn people at the stake in the name of theocracy. And Anne Coulter hates him, so he must have a redeeming quality somewhere.

    But I still have hope. Not the politics of hope, but faith that things could shift.

  • John

    Christ, are you still around? It hardly seems worth it, since it’s been spelled out for you so many times, the cat rubbing your keyboard probably gets it, but I’ll give it one more shot:

    1. Air America Radio: In the tank for Obama, loathes Clinton.

    2. MSNBC: ditto

    3. CNN: ditto

    4. The Washington Post: ditto

    5. Huffington Post, DailyKos, etc.: DITTO

    Hillary Clinton isn’t getting beaten by Barack Obama. She’s getting beaten by the combined forces of the mass media. “Liberals” and Conservatives alike have come together for the single purpose of politically murdering this woman. I have no doubt that Hillary would have beaten Obama in a race not so heavily stacked in his favor….

    Good lord, I can’t believe I just invested almost thirty seconds of my time responding to you. You either don’t get it, or you just enjoy displaying your phony ignorance because you get some kind of pleasure out of being responded to here. I know it won’t do a shred of good, because you’ve proven time and again you are simply incapable of GETTING IT.

    Tell your cat I said hi. She gets it, and is probably amazed on a daily basis at her master’s ability to operate the can opener. You are truly a dunce.

  • http://www.despair.com/doubt.html Smilin’ Jim

    Has the fat lady warbled yet, oh vaporous spirit?

  • John

    I put Maryland in Obama’s column.

    Gee Banquo, do you think Obama is going to carry Nebraska, North Dakota, and Idaho too? Because they experienced huge turnouts as well! Wow, let’s put Kansas in the Obama column too, look at those numbers!

    Give me a fricking break. All those Democrats For A Day have had their fun, and now they are heading right back to the Republicans to vote for McCain in November. I would call you delusional, except you gave yourself away with your “Democrat candidate” line. No one who isn’t an out and out Republican would use the term “Democrat candidate” rather than “Democratic.” So now that you’ve been exposed, you make a lot more sense. You are doing a pretty good job here pumping up Obama. But in a few weeks, he’ll have the nomination won, and you can drop the act altogether.

  • http://www.despair.com/doubt.html Smilin’ Jim

    I agree with the spook, well partly.

    You might get Washington and Oregon, they went with Dukakis.

    California is out, there was a Bradley Effect here during the primary. .Amongst liberal Democrats

    I see a Dukakis loss, not a Mondale, Carter or McGovern loss.

    But then I’m such a giddy optimist.

  • http://www.despair.com/doubt.html Smilin’ Jim

    No one who isn’t an out and out Republican would use the term “Democrat candidate” rather than “Democratic.”

    How about commie leftist independents?

  • john

    Sorry Larry, but I think McCain will keep us in Iraq for 4 more years if he becomes president. If we leave too soon, whatever government we have cobbled together will fall and we’ll have something we won’t like there. He will not want to be know as the republican that lost Iraq. If the democrats still only hold their thin majority in congress, being spineless, they’ll roll over and put the costs on the credit card (our children). Then finally after the 2012 election, some one will have to declare victory, leave and let the country fall to who ever is evil enough to tame it, someone like Saddam.

  • John

    I don’t believe Hillary can win anymore either, but not because of anything she’s done. I think the media has done a great job poisoning the waters and giving Obama supporters a great excuse for staying away from the polls in November. But this would not have been possible if Obama had not been perfectly willing to go along with the “Bill and Hillary are playing the race card” BS that preceded South Carolina.

    At some point, Obama decided that he would rather be President than maintain possession of his soul. First he embraced Ronald Reagan, then he trashed the Clinton era using GOP talking points, and finally he let the Clintons be smeared as racists.

    Strikes one, two and three. Obama is OUT as far as I’m concerned.

    So is Hillary, probably. She’s been taken down much more by Obama’s willingness to sit back and watch the media do his work for him than by anything he actually did. He could have put a stop to this crap weeks ago, but it was to his benefit to let it go on. So instead of letting the voters judge Hillary and himself based on issues, and letting the best person win, Obama looked away as Hillary was butchered by CNN, MSNBC and Air America on a daily basis, and now he will be nominated by a party poisoned by the Faustian bargain he made with the media.

    And I do apologize for calling you a dunce- but I get a little irritated by people who make the same “points” over and over again, get the same answers, then proceed to ask those questions as if they weren’t answered.

  • rjj
  • S. Markom

    Based on your premise we should have abandoned our bases in Japan and Germany many years ago since we have not been at war with them.

    Also based on your premise we can never resolve Iraq and unless we retreat quickly – just like Vietnam.

  • John Stanton

    So the way I’m reading this prez race according to all comments is:

    1. Obama: liar, cheater, violates honor code, cultster, does not cite sources.
    2. McCain: fraudster, jumps thru loopholes, anger mgmt. problems…A cheater too (bank deal)
    3: Clinton: machine politician, Lee Atwater/James Carville disinfo campaign mentality…Same as 1 and 2 ‘cept its all kept nice and quiet like.

    Not real difference but–

    1 or 3 in the White House is an awesome historical step for USA no matter what we all think. Dem turnout has dwarfed Rep turnout and youth are energized by wanting to be a part of changing US history. That’s good. As for door #2, there just might be riots if USA goes thru with McCain what it went with Bush the Minor’s first election. If 2 gets the White House, the USA will be bucking a worldwide trend in electing a 72 year old and, more’s the pity, step way back in time when dinosaurs ruled the earth.

    BRING BACK AL HAIG!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Taters

    What are you babbling about Markom?
    How about a little coherency and context?

  • Simon

    I’m with you. President McCain. Bloody hell.

    The power structure in this country is such I wonder WHY they would want a McCain or Obama, if that is indeed the case.

    I was watching McCain the other day, and he literally tripped and stumbled, lost his balance, in, god bless him, in the way old people do.

    And this man is going to stand up to the intellectual vigor the presidency requires?

    A 72 year old can be President, just not that 72 year old. (I’m fearful of sounding like an Obama ageist, the idea of discrimination based on such an arbitrary, superficial factor is repulsive.)

    (I was just thinking what if he breaks his hip, oh, god help us…)

    Politics aside, who in the world would want to run the two weakest candidates for the Presidency?

    People I respect, politically pragmatic, abhor McCain, and these aren’t rigid individuals, so, I figure there must be reason. I know he is supposed to be an angry man, highly impatient, perhaps suffering from “permanent road rage.”

    I don’t know that, though.

    Clinton is by far the most intelligent, the most skilled, best able to lead, and I’m not always sure the selection of a presidential candidate has to do with the country ostensibly going right.

  • yttik

    I do not think Obama could win Washington. Not after the Republicans have finished defining him for everybody. Not after people’s illusions are shattered. Besides, Washingtonians are already pissed off voters, angry with both parties. Very independant minded. There’s a huge surge towards Ron Paul. The primaries were today, it wouldn’t surprise me if Ron Paul bumps out McCain. Huckabee is already threatening to sue the state Republicans.

    Our governor’s election was pretty contentious. We barely got a Dem in there and there was a huge percentage of Dems who refused to cast a vote for her. We had three or four recounts and one of Bush’s Republican appointed attorney’s fired over it. He wouldn’t prosecute election fraud because he couldn’t find any.

    Nope, I’d have to say Hillary would have a much better chance of capturing Washington in the general election. Voters up here don’t handle disillusionment well. Hillary doesn’t come with any illusions to shatter.

  • http://www.despair.com/doubt.html Smilin’ Jim

    “I do not think Obama could win Washington”

    Well, eastern Washington is out, of course.

    King and Pierce are in. I think most of Ft. Lewis votes in other states, don’t they?

    So how about north of King and south of Pierce? Skagit is full of retirees and Snohomish, the northern part at least, has been home to tax nutters. Lewis & below as well as the peninsula are off my radar.

  • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

    Twice as many Democrats than Republicans showed up on caucus day. Twice as many. The state GOP, which has been demoralized for years, has nothing but egg on its face after the vote count for McCain vs. Huckabee. The Democrats have an almost 3-1 advantage in the state legislature. King County is the largest, most populace county and it is overwhelmingly Democratic. For Christsakes, Kerry won here in 2004.

    Obama could easily win Washington.

  • http://www.evergreenpolitics.com shoephone

    Don’t know about Lewis County, but Snohomish has been trending (god, I hate that word) Democratic the last few years. Keep in mind that Jay Inslee represents Snohomish.

  • Kathleen

    I spoke with one of my Repubican cousins who I believe is a registered Independent. She will be voting for Obama in the Ohio primary and John McCain in the Presidential election. How many other Republican voters are doing the same?

    Look out Iran

  • Kathleen

    Longer than 4 more years…

  • Kathleen

    Anyone see the Frontline special on Iraq tonight?

    Worth the watch
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/haditha/

  • Kathleen

    I do think this is the strategy. I heard that Republicans were doing this in South Carolina. I know one of my cousins will be voting for Obama now and McCain in the fall.

    Hell maybe we should just vote for McCain and just let the new Roman Empire implode

  • Delia

    I think we should leave our bases in Japan and Germany. They don’t want us there anymore, and we’re only serving our own imperialist desires.

    And we can never resolve Iraq. Our presence is the cause of the continuing instability. The longer we stay the worse it will be. The “surge” has created a temporary illusion.

  • RalphB

    McCain may be an obstinate old bastard, but I think at heart he’s a realist. I doubt we’ll be active in Iraq more than a couple more years no matter who’s President. I don’t think we have the military to do it and stay whole.

    In the end, the military realities will sink in and I wouldn’t be surprised if that didn’t happen faster with McCain than Obama. Personally I see in Obama nothing more than a left wing George Bush and that’s just not acceptable to me.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Hey Gang; respectfully, the thread is about the fate of the men and women in Irag, Afganistan and elsewhere on the planet in Uniform . Not the electorial map.

    Taters offers a money post when saying:

    My nephew just returned from Afgahnistan and was deployed in Iraq prior to that. The army wanted him to become an officer.(He has a Master’s in Bus. Admin.) He passed and is now entering civilan life.

    On top of the current drain on the material level, we are losing a equally valueable assett. Experience, that is (as Taters would know first hand) “sharp as a tack”.
    IF;The a Defense Department official says:

    No one is talking to anyone. During Rumsfeld’s term you would have thought that we were at war with Condi Rice, not al-Qaeda.”

    How will they communicate to the president, if inacable of doing so among themselves? That appears, to a novice civilian as myself, to be a serious chain of command problem which can impede an informed understanding for the “President of These United States”.

  • Kathleen

    McCain certainly does not care about the Iraqi people. Well base on the evidence either does Hillary.

    Iraq’s Tidal Wave of Misery: The First History of the Planet’s Worst Refugee Crisis
    By Michael Schwartz

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/021108D.shtml

    Hey whatever happened to the middle east conference on the situation in Iraq that was recommended by the Iraq Study Group?

  • yttik

    “McCain certainly does not care about the Iraqi people. Well base on the evidence either does Hillary.”

    Actually, she really does. I heard her speak about the hundred thousand Iraqis we have working for us as private contractors and what consequences they will face when we leave.

    Most people want the war to end. Obama wants to end it by moving the battlefied to nuclear armed Pakistan. But Hillary wants to end it in a way that will cause the least harm to the Iraq people. I listened to her and I can tell she’s thought this thru. There are a million widows there with children and no means of support who must be weighed into the equation. Or abandoned in a country with no infrastructure and no food.

    I want the war to end immedately. But I do not want us to leave a humanitarian disaster. To this day people in Vietnam are still dying from our landmines, from birth defects caused by agent orange. I believe Hillary is aware of the issues and that she genuinely cares about the Iraq people.

    I don’t want us to thoughtlessly walk away so we can all have our feel good moment about ending the war, while millions of people die. I honestly believe she gets this.

  • Kathleen

    too bad Hillary did not think that hard before her 2002 war resolution vote. Too bad she did not think that hard before she voted for the Kyl Lieberman amendment making it easier for the Bush administration to attack Iran

    We have all ready created a humanitarian disaster in Iraq. What would one call 4 million Iraqi refugees?

  • TeakWoodKite

    “I listened to her and I can tell she’s thought this thru”

    “listened” as opposed to “heard”…

    There in lies the rub. You are right yttik.

  • http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/02/officers-in-us.html Buck Naked Politics

    Officers in US Military: Elected Leaders are Somewhat Uninformed or Very Uninformed About the Military…

    Posted by Damozel | Meanwhile, Bush is still president and the war is still going on. According to this report, a survey of military officers reveals that officers believe that the US military is now stretched ‘dangerously thin.’ (CNN) Of those surve…

  • Northwest rain

    Obama will lose the National Security vote– zero experience.

    Obama as Commander in Chief — don’t make me laugh.

    Obama has the thinest resumes of anyone to get this far ever.

    But — I’m not going to fret –Senator Clinton is a fighter — and so are her supporters.

    This battle isn’t over for a long long time.

    President Clinton WILL end the occupation of Iraq — because that is the only way to get the US economy out of the toilet. As she’s repeated endlessly — Iraq requires a POLITICAL solution.

    Then it will be up to President Clinton to rebuild the military — with her experience on the armed Services committee etc. and with the advice of the military — this can be done. The military has a good idea of what the problems are.

    Face it guys — it will take a women to clean up after the mess of a bush who was never house trained or properly socialized by his mama.

    Also the sexism that Obama and his wife have generated will leave a toxic ring for a long time.

    Prejudice against blacks is becoming unacceptable although it will take years to eliminate it. But it is doomed because, slowly, white America is beginning to admit that it exists.

    Prejudice against women is still acceptable. There is very little understanding yet of the immorality involved in double pay scales and the classification of most of the better jobs as “for men only.” (1969)
    Rep.D-NY Shirley Chisolm 1929-2005

  • bob h

    When does someone ask McCain what his brain-dead “no surrender” in Iraq implies for the number of tours our troops will have to do? Will nine or ten be enough?

  • wethornet

    taters, your news brings me great joy. :-)

  • wethornet

    i’ll preface my brief remarks about mccain by saying that besides being a retired army officer, airborne ranger type, i am also the grandson and son in law of naval academy graduates who served in ww2 and korea.

    for now, i will “keep my powder mostly dry” wrt to mccain. at best mccain didn’t learn a damn thing about the u.s. constitution while at or since leaving the academy. see the book “nightinggale’s song.” ollie north, poindexter, mccain, urggg…what a crew. bud mcfarlane at least felt remorse. and jim webb “got it” early on and “it” has stayed with him.

    mccain has said the henry kissinger is a key handler, i mean, advisor. f.m.t.t. fuck me to tears. i was (thankfully) to young for vietnam, but many veterans have a well deserved visceral loathing for heinz, i mean henry. and for mccain to call henry his b.f.f. (text for best friend forever) is beyond the pale.

    mccain is not fit to be president.

    i’ll leave the last word to kissinger, it is an actual quote of his from “back in the day”: “military men” (think mccain and those like him) “are dumb, stupid animals to be used on the chessboard of realpolitik.”

  • Mr.Murder

    Give the Ghost a break, he’s likable enough.

  • CK

    By November, McCain will be lucky to take Arizona, whatever state his Veep is from, Utah and wyoming.
    The economics are going against all the incumbents, the groundpounders are not going to vote McCain, and there are just not enough perfumed princes to make a difference.
    Do you think the mil families left behind and concentrated in the South are going to march for McCain and another 10 years of deployments?
    If Illegals could vote, maybe he could carry those on the strength of his amnesty bill, but the illegals are moving back to mexico as the economy falters. There are really only three ways to pay for war, tax your people, borrow from overseas lenders, steal the wealth of the territories your troops hold. We have stolen most of what Iraq had to offer, the foreign lenders are not all that willing to lend against promises and increasing taxes doesn’t appear to be a big winner for the thug base. The first candidate to talk about a national draft will also find the old base eroded badly. We as a nation are fine with mercenaries and lower economic class kids doing the dying; not so fine with middle and upper class kids getting their brains scrambled for nothing.
    My old man was “greatest generation” did the WW2 thing. He’s been dead for a while now, as have so many of that generation that believed that America could do no wrong. The generation that was enslaved to fight in VietNam is not so gung ho for war.
    McCain is the son of a 4 star admiral and grandson of a 4 star. He could not move past captain, the navy might not have wanted his collaboration with the North Vietnamese broadcast to the citizenry, but by the same token, his military career ended when they navy finished its debrief of him on his return from captivity. No third generation 4 star or even one star for him.

  • CK
  • wethornet

    o/t.

    for me, this story may be the most positive thing to come out of this whole (too damn long, too damn early) primary season.

    in tex-ass, 25 miles northwest of racist houston, there is one of the historic black colleges. prairie view. the black “yutes” have funny notions. for example, they think they should be able to vote. the local yahoos, true to their long sordid history, tried to fuck with their voting rights wrt to the upcoming texas primary. the youngsters said “sir, no sir!” this is one of the coolest things i’ve ever seen in politics.

    link 1) saw it first here. link 2) great background, and very short, what a nasty place this has been. (check out how the bumper sticker story, and the detour factor.)
    http://www.groupnewsblog.net/2008/02/these-kids-will-vote.html
    …….ah, craposis. i can’t find the second link. basically said in the hellhole back in the day the cracker sheriff would pull you over and tear apart your car because you had a bumper sticker for such and such music (rock) station! also, people drove 50 miles out of their way to avoid the law enforcement nutcakes.

    ….we now resume our regularly scheduled broadcasting.

  • Mr.Murder

    The states Obama got his biggest spike trend to the R side.

    These states are not designed to win by popular vote either. Turnout for R party will be low anyways because it’s a one man race on their side.

    McCain’s voters showed much discipline in crossing the line to pad the total for one candidate in West Virginia, with 1% turnout and a Huckabee boost that ended Romney’s run for first place. The polls reflect a similar vote spike now, one that’s less likely to carry over, but the fact people are even considering a different ballot at this stage may reflect an emerging trend. Just not one in every state, several are familiar with ballot crossing, and you’re likely to see some of the worst examples come up after Texas, in Spector’s sector, going out to Pennsyltucky.

    Make no mistake, Bush has pushed the party over the precipice of credibility and into a hole that has drastic electoral consequence.

    Trying to credit Obama with the turnout that AWOL has motivated is bit of a reach, but Kerry was given similar credit in the last turn in ’04 as well. It’s part of the traditional lede for the traditional story.

    Some new guy promises to run a different way and co-opts enough right wing talking points that they get sniped less in the media chatter. They have an item far bigger than them to attach a vote to and win off that.

    People who campaign well but govern lousy got us in this hole. We’re actually on the path another party ran of recent.

    That said, I’ve voted already, someone is still holding onto brokered business, but the way Texas redistricts and uses a caucus could play out far to another’s favor in the final act if things go Barack’s way.

    I’ve already slated him to go with this(did so a few days back) and am trying to find items that make me a policy fan. You need to have something to vote for, not just something to vote against.

    The generals are already trying to flip this thing and get us out. Europe now has an item that might need police action for a shot in the arm of a new independent state, and our brass is already pushing back at the idea of using the overstretched Army in such a role. Afghanistan is falling apart and taking NATO down with it. Iraq was over several years ago and we have yet to show the sense to get out and end any occupation.

    Ending the war is a matter nomencloture – mission accomplished. Ending the occupation is what must be done, I’ve yet to hear anyone atop the tickets say that will be done. None of that adheres to Powell doctrine, where the numbers can achieve the goal. Instead we will have less troops there than are needed to do any job asked, and keep running them into the quilt of ethnic militias with mixed results, as advisors to contractors and ethnic revenge clans.

    All of ours fitted to be trainers for merc outfits. Staying in on an occupation is going to play out the Halliburton/Blackwater/Gyncorp. way and still leave us in a position to have the electorate flip. They’ll change on the first item to happen near the two year election mark. Only we’ll be in no man’s land. Against war for the right reasons, for occupation for the wrong ones. Politically exposed to strategic electoral attack and still tactically endangered on the ground.

  • Mr.Murder

    Fort Hood soliders breaking the silence in war in Iraq
    2/17/2008 10:53 PM
    By: Chelsea Hover

    A growing number of active duty soldiers or recent Iraq war veterans are speaking up about the war in Iraq.

    And with the number of soldiers speaking up about their experiences in Iraq via online forums, blogs and pamphlets, some vets feel it’s their duty to let the American public know the truth.

    “The honest truth is that if the American people knew what was going on over there everyday, they would be raising their voices too. They would be saying, ‘Hey, bring those guys home,” Sgt. Selena Coppa said.

    Coppa blames lawmakers in Washington for filtering the facts on the war in Iraq. She said there’s no real end in sight.

    http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=200673

    “There is a cost to this war. This war is being paid in American blood, in my soldier’s blood. And that is not okay,” Coppa said.

    “We lost really good friends, really good leaders who died in Iraq. From my perspective, it didn’t make any sense, we didn’t
    accomplish anything, and I talked to a lot of other soldiers who feel the same way,” Fort Hood soldier Casey Porter said.

    He started the local branch of IVAW at Fort Hood.

    Not just for the army:

    There are alot of pissed off soliders & Marines who didn’t get their candy and flowers.

    Marines know that nobody promised them a rose garden:

    http://www.marineheritage.org/St…D=3& SortOrder=1
    -Barndog

    BAGHDAD – Anti-U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr may let a six-month cease-fire expire as soon as Saturday, a move that could send his Shiite militia fighters back out on the streets and jeopardize recent security gains that have led to a sharp decline in violence.

    SNAFU

    Meanwhile Bush is in the denial phase of showing where we want to go with a lot of our policy if Condi somehow retains her way at State:

    The Defense Department created Africa Command last October to consolidate operations that had been split among three other regional commands, none of which had Africa as a primary focus.

    We’ll probably see if Kenya can be a staging point.

  • CK

    Bush just gave 3/4 billion to Kenya’s southern neighbour Tanzania.

  • Mr.Murder

    Centralization of command structure is the first sign of our intent.

  • CK

    I am no longer sure that the USA can follow through on its intentions. Africa is not hollering for America to save it. The african nations appear to like dealing with the chinese a whole lot more. China just did a deal with the congo that guarantees chinese access to cobalt nickel and other vital minerals, all the old colonial powers get to stand around with their thumbs up their butts … again.
    My suspicion is that any nation that the USA can buy enough influence in to stage its Africom will be a nation that immediately falls into civil war. I really do not like to think of the worldwide videos of american troops offing black peasants and black children to maintain a camel’s nose operation in Africa.
    Even less do I like to think how the grunts will react given the military population’s makeup nor how it will play in the cities of the USA.

  • http://www.despair.com/doubt.html Smilin’ Jim

    Are the Jackson Democrats that morphed into Reagan Democrats dying off in Snohomish?

    Have all the shift workers at the Lazy B finally tired of the commute and moved north?

  • http://www.despair.com/doubt.html Smilin’ Jim

    “How many other Republican voters are doing the same?”

    By and large they are more deliberate, Goldwater aside, than Democrats. They vote more often as well.

    “Look out Iran”

    All the more reasons for Clinton supporters to swallow their ire and concentrate on building an unassailable Senate majority.

    When Obama quits his paper route to become President, we will need some responsible adults in DC.

  • Kelly

    Is it time to wake up to the truth? W. Bush and Rumsfeld didn’t mis-manage the war, they deliberately mis-managed the war.

    In Irag, the blaring question is why didn’t they make provisions to accept all the Iraqi troops that surrendered? Could you imagine having 100,000 to 200,000 Iraqi’s trained 6 months after the invasion?
    Or how about a year to train all these new recruits?
    The U.S could have drawn down or left by the end of 2004!

    Do you know the price of freedom? The price of freedom is how much Idiot Boy Bush and his friends can profit from it! I don’t think the Iraqi’s had any idea that this was the price they would have to pay.

    I believe it is time to indicte these war criminals for their crimes.

  • Donovan Fraser

    If i were a moderator for the TV debates and John started actually touting his vast foreign policy experience as an asset, I would ask him these questions…

    1. where are you going to get these troops for the wars you promised us in the future in Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and so on? A DRAFT??? AND don’t you think it’s a little fucking stupid to be talking about starting wars AS your running for president in a country where 70% or more has had it with wars of lies/choice?

    2. isn’t the term “surge” that seems to be working so well that it makes you brag and taunt those ( in the real world) who disagree with you already have a more correct name, better known in Vietnam as escalation? and how long can we pour these poor soldiers into an area? 100 years really?????

    3. HOW are you going to pay for all these new wars you seem intent on getting us into?

    4. How is it JOHN that you were AGAINST torture BEFORE you were for it?
    is Flipper your favorite show?
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    simple enough questions, but they won’t be asked of our to be kings of the kingdom.

    John McCain, the straight talk express? my ass!! he’s a senile and angry old kook who will continue to steer this Titanic of a foreign policy to the bottom of the bankrupt and blood filled ocean, while the band plays on…..

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    >>> “Do you think the mil families left behind and concentrated in the South are going to march for McCain and another 10 years of deployments?”

    Yes. Better than even money.

    1. “It’s the damned Yankee Army, but it’s the only Army we got, and it’s the only War we got! Yeeee-Hawwww!!! Kill hajis!!!”

    2. Absent a DoD check (military payroll, allotment, contracted support job, goob-a-tron position with a DoD supplier/contractor) much of the population of the Southeast would have to give up the F-150′s, sell the bass boats, move out of the double-wides and live under bridges.

  • TeakWoodKite

    “are dumb, stupid animals to be used on the chessboard of realpolitik.”

    The only “advice” GW has implemented. errr

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