Where Do I Fit In (and CPAC Was, Well, Interesting?)

We need another party that will represent the unaffiliated voter like myself. I look and listen to what the the 2 major parties are saying and neither one of them represents my view points nor what is best for America.

I recommend we initiate the Patriot Party with the flag as its symbol. I do not want to be left in the clenches of the uninformed majority that represent all Americans. One size does not fit all.

The year 2012 maybe the year that Independents rise to the occasion.
Maybe Bloomberg will run and win it all..

What is shocking is for me to hear Obama’s speech and realize that I have been saying the same things for years
So why am I not happy!

The democrats represent retreat and defeat and the destruction of capitalism

I find myself more to the right and realize that Liberty and freedom are under assault.
I’m also a champion of business and protecting jobs in the existing economy.
Liberating feeling to not be affiliated with any party…

Hello fellow insomniacs, I have been thinking about this a lot too. I was also a lifelong dem until May 31, after which I mailed my torn up voter registration card to Howard Dean’s attention at the DNC. I re-registered as unaffiliated.

I also find myself repelled by things I used to support. It’s clear to me that Obama and his crowd have just about made a republican out of me. What I wonder though, is if enough of us registered republican, and got actively involved, if we couldn’t moderate some of the more extreme conservative stances and move the party more to the middle, just like the orange cheeto people have moved the dems off the page into socialism.

I am thinking it is worth a try. I don’t know how realistic it is to count on an independent party, especially after seeing the narrow margins that constitute a win these days.

Maybe we could all infiltrate and influence the party…I am encouraged by some of the younger, up and coming leadership of the party, and I am thoroughly disgusted with the dems…just about all of them. What an embarrassment they have become…to at last have total control in DC and to be so greedy and irresponsible. I can’t stand Obama, but he isn’t doing this without the Congress. They all have this on their heads…maybe not the blue dogs.

Just a thought or two.

Well, Susan, I don’t know where I fit in, either. What I do know is that Obama is a dangerous man who has no idea what he is doing, but is pathologically driven to remake this country into his vision of a spread-the-wealth utopia. Someone on the radio yesterday mentioned that Obama briefly worked on Wall Street, an experience he described in his book as “feeling like I had been dropped behind enemy lines.” He and his equally sanctimonious wife feel that they rejected the temptations of success in the financial sector in favor of more worthy and unselfish endeavors, like community organizing and hospital administration. The Obamas hate Wall Street and, by extension, capitalism, and Barry’s budget proposals prove it.

What I also know is that Pelosi is the most loathesome, petty and partisan person to ever hold high government office, and that Reid is a complete idiot. What an unholy trinity of incompetence and extremist ideology. I want no part of them and their catastrophic agenda.

No, I don’t agree with conservative views on social issues. But unless a third party materializes out of the vapor–the chances are slim and none–every good citizen has to choose a side. Even so-called “independents” have to decide whether to support or oppose Obama’s policies. I’ve heard that there are no easy choices in life. Not so in this case. Not when one choice represents the destruction of everything our Founding Fathers fought for.

You’ll get no argument with me from this post. I’m in total agreement. I switched my party to NON and I think that is where I’ll stay from here on out. I don’t want to be associated with any party. I’m done. From now on it’s the best candidate to do the job no matter which party he/she is from. I think they knew I was angry too. I switched to NON, then Republican, then to NON again and she asked if I was done. They’ll probably lock the doors on me during the next election. That woman is on an emotional roller-coaster! She’s on a rampage again…Bar the doors.

It was interesting the straw poll at CPAC was won by Romney with only 20% of the vote. The conservatives are very divided just as they were in the primaries and Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter bear a big responsibility. James Dobson of Focus On The Family resigned his leadership last week and he has practically no influence now partly due to his refusal to back McCain. It would seem the party is moving more to the center in spite of the rhetoric. For thirty years I was a left leaning Democrat, but I left the party in June of last year after the RBC meeting on May 31 when it became absolutely clear to me there was no difference in terms of integrity. A lot of our friends and family have been talking about the very issue you have written about here Susan and there is so much confusion. I still believe in the fundamental principles I have always believed. Equal rights for women, gay rights and civil rights. I still believe in order to live up to the promise of America, our society has an obligation to care for those unable to care for themselves. But I no longer believe my former party represents anything more noble than what the Republicans offer. Now I am appalled by the insanity of the spending and for the first time, I believe it is possible for the US to be bankrupted. If someone comes up with a viable third party, I’m all in.

Seattle,

I fully agree. I watched Limbaugh’s speech on CSPAN and agreed with quite a bit of it. The dems apparently are determined to destroy capitilism and the political liberty that accompanies it. People who have never experienced first hand what life is like under controlled markets, rationing, and the inevitable stifling of dissent don’t seem to believe its real until its way too late.

Freedom of markets, freedom of thought and expression, freedom to create the kind of life you want are in jeopardy.

I am stunned at how long I believed the dems were these kind-hearted empathetic types. They really are about control. Live and learn Americans, its a free country…for now.

Did you see this video? I thought this young man did a wonderful job. I’d vote for him.
http://tinyurl.com/aqxorb

my thoughts exactly.

Diana,

Nice video. I hadn’t seen it before but I did see that young man interviewed. I imagine his parents are very proud, as they should be. If the republican party can stick to the principles of free markets, limited government, and individual freedoms then I’m all in.

Funny, before I read this we were saying the same thing in our house.
It’s as if the Democrats are asshat College students, and the Conservatives are asshat Businessmen.
They both lie, cheat, steal and are sexist and racist in equal measure.
Time for a third party, with a leader that stands for real change: having fiscal responsibility and being anti-corruption.
Now, who do we know that fits that bill?
Hmmm…

There is one fact. The progressives have taken over the democrat party. The progressives want the downfall of capitalism. I do not. There are plenty of centrist democrats that do not. Get REAL!
Gays in Cuba live in mental institutions. Progressives are communists. Progressives don`t live in utopia. Progressives live in NEVER-NEVER LAND. Progressives need to lose their childish Peter Pan view and behave and think like adults. America needs to be free market capitalist to succeed. Everything else is second to that. Centrist democrats need to retake their party and get rid of the communist/ socialist threat.
After we get rid of these progressive losers we can go back to worrying about what Republicans think. Right now we need to unite with them to destroy the progressives otherwise there will not be an America. Soros has to large of a warchest. Centrists cannot defeat the progressives alone. They need to unite with the Republicans. It`s a fact.
Even if you don`t agree with Limbaugh about much there is one thing that he says that is a fact. The progressives don`t care about the little guy. The progressives only care about control. Soros, Obama, Pelosi, Barney Frank etal. care about control. It`s a fact. Obama abused the poor people in Chicago. It`s a fact. The progressives do need to keep people poor to remain in power. It`s a fact. Centrist democrats do not. Hillary and Bill did and do care about people. Bill Clinton did reduce the people on welfare. He did make their lives better. Obama does want to increase the people on welfare.
As long as the progressives make us believe that the Republicans are more of our enemy then the progressives themselves are, American we be socialist/communist. Women`s rights, gay rights, and everything else is second to all of that because the progressives are bigoted hypocrites and lying cheaters. You forgot what they did to Hillary. DiD you forget what they did to Palin. That`s what progressives will do to ANYONE WHO DOESN`T AGREE WITH THEM. That`s what communists do.
We can only fight a war on one front at a time. And the immediate war to fight for the survival of America is the war against the progressives. Get real!

You’re not alone Susan. I’m firmly in the INDEPENDENT camp now, and have no loyalty to either political party. So, basically, “I feel your pain,” to quote a great president!

But I do differ with you on one point. It is this:

stop the madness of King George and his puppeteer, Diabolical Dick.

I think it should be:

stop the madness of Diabolical Dick, and his puppet, King George.

I started listening to Rush last summer and have been a fan ever since. I have never heard Limbaugh use a “gay slur” at any time. what he is doing in this video is his dead-on impression of Barney Frank, who deserves every bit of scorn and opprobrium that can be heaped on him. As a a gay man myself, and also a “person of color” I cringe when I read other conservative sites that trash gays and oppose civil unions, but I know I’ll never agree with that agenda, just like I don’t agree with a lot of what many gay groups advocate. Susan, for someone who has “UnPC” in her name, you certainly fall in line with the overly sensitive PC crowd who get their panties in twist whenever there is the slightest use of humor to describe a minority. Rush is a great satirist, but I’ve never heard him use a slur to describe anyone, unlike the unhinged left who trashed Sarah Palin and her family. Remember those lovely T-shirts and that hanging effigy? All done by the wonderful gays who are so maligned. In the end, Rush is right on in his description of the Democrats, and I find his imitation of Barney Frank, the “Banking Queen,” hilarious.

Tucker is making one very serious error.

The NYT is not succeeding. They are losing readership every day.

But, his reasoning is sound as to why that’s happening. With the Obama craze they lost all desire to present anything even mimicking accuracy.

Perhaps they can still recover? Now that they have their man in office. Maybe they will start to report, once again, what is really happening, as they did last week:

http://syd4.blogspot.com/2009/03/is-sebelius-merely-cover-for-whats.html

I disagree that Rush is rooting for “disaster over the bodies of the growing masses of unemployed, uninsured, under-fed and increasingly homeless,” he is in direct opposition to Obama’s socialist policies. These policies might, and I’m being generous, provide a moment of calm and relief but ultimately they will enslave us to the power of the plutocracy. Rush doesn’t want anyone one to fail but he clearly doesn’t want government determining who succeeds.

Think about it this way, would you sacrifice your personal freedoms for social calm, food and a job given to you via political dictate. No one is for homelessness but the true question how do you solve this problem. Let’s be honest many people are there through little or no fault of there own but some have made very conscious choices that have placed them there. Neither group should be punished for their predicament but should help for them come at the expense of society’s growth and future.

You might say this is an extreme conclusion to draw but think about the affordable housing argument. For years we have heard and seen politicians plan and execute plans to “solve the affordable housing crisis” will little or no success. This doesn’t mean some people weren’t helped because clearly some, very few were at great expense through taxes and regulation. But after years of building and legislating more and more tax payer sponsored affordable housing, we now have a period of falling real estate prices and them becoming more affordable. Yet during this period of falling prices, implicitly making them more affordable, the politicians have reversed course and they now want to support over inflated high priced housing. So over time politicians are building homes because prices are too high and throwing money at supporting prices because they are going to low?

The real long term solution to unaffordable housing is creating more better paying, high quality jobs that are filled with a better educated work force. Wouldn’t we be better off spending money on education and job training? I’m talking about privately run programs financed by the government and paying for results. Politicians don’t want to solve the problem, rather they want to keep the poor dependent on the government while keeping homeowners paying real estate taxes to support their political fiefdom, all while looking busy for the cameras.

ALL the socialist parties of Europe are known as the “Progressive Parties” and they openly identify themselves as such. It’s only a matter of time until the American “progressives” openly admit they are in fact socialists. Howard Dean openly came out of the socialist closet in 2006 when he as Keynote Speaker addressed the PES (Party of European Socialists)

http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/12/keynote_address.php

Thank you Susan. I like to come to this site because so many of you are so good at articulating exactly how I feel. I really do not know what my political philosophy is today, only that I am no longer a progressive democrat. I also cannot tolerate Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. They are not leaders, they are pawns. Obama in particular, recently saying “I like being President and I am good at it”. These are dangerous people. He and his wife will change America forever if they are not stopped.

I can’t believe that so many people have misconstrued what Rush has said about the failure of BO. After watching this guy in action for a little over a month, I believe that he has no good intentions for this country. I believe that his mission is to destroy this country. I believe he wants to tear the ones down at the top to the level of the ones on the bottom. I remember the people from Cuba who, as a group were 90% opposed to Obama, who said that a socialist will create equality by tearing everyone down, not by lifting up the bottom. They should know. He doesn’t want this counry to prosper. I believe his mission is to destroy this country as we know it and rebuild it into whatever he thinks it should be. As Spike Lee said and I paraphrase, There will be the USA before BO and the USA after BO and one will not resemble the other. I think Spike Lee is a bigot and an idiot, but I think he was dead on with that comment. I think it is BO who wants this nation and its people to fail. Not Rush Limbaugh. With that, I say Rush is Right and I whole heartedly agree.

I was once just as liberal as the next guy. Sometime last year during the primaries, I started listening to Rush (don’t remember why), but I atually started agreeing with what he said. I never could stomach the guy before, but now I find myself dependent on his message because he is the only one who is calling it as it is. He is the only voice of reason in this sea of delusion. I am amazed at his insight into political matters. He applies logic and common sense. I don’t see him as sexist, I don’t see him as anti gay and I don’t believe he is a racist. He truly believes in personal responsiblity and personal freedom and the goodness of all. That is not the message of the left who only wants victims Henrietta Hughes style. I urge anyone to just listen to him with an open ear and you might surprise yourself as well.

In the past year, I have become quite the conservative and sometimes I don’t even recognize myself (my spouse is stunned). It is hard to be siding with republicans after all my years on the other side. But, I am no longer there and I feel so much better about my new beliefs than I ever did as a liberal. I will admit it is frustrating because it seems so many people are going with the socialist tide now that I have completely jumped ship.

Anyway, all that being said, I will end with this statement

I HOPE HE FAILS MISERABLY! Yes I do.

SusanUnPC, And the green party?? or maybe better, a third party?

But I am of the opinion that the real situation is not quite as dire. There is a growing discontent among the grassroots as seen in the recent Tea Party events popping up around the country. And as President Obama, Senate Leader Harry Reid, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi impose their massive New Squeal program, that grassroots discontent might lead to the overthrow of the “official” leadership of the conservative movement, including CPAC. In my humble opinion, that change couldn’t come quickly enough.

I know exactly where I fit in!
As a former moderate to conservative democrat, I have gone to the republican side.
The Democratic Party is now a band of harpies and hyenas, and the majority of their supporters are whinning free-loaders!
Leadership should be representing the ENTIRE country!
Find any resemblance to that in the socialist’s agenda being put forth, and I’ll eat my words!

He said that? That he is “good at it”? He is good at using the trappings, that’s for sure: Air Force One, Marine One, Kobi beef…

Susan, thank you for this post. As you know, I was a far left lifelong Dem until 5/31. My eyes have been open to the true workings of the DNC, and I am still shocked at how corrupt they are. I guess I shouldn’t be – not when they demonstrated time and again what little backbone they had collectively while Bush was prez. I think our stories are pretty similar…Still – it was always my party, and I believed they really stood for the people.

Not any more. I am still saddened that a party whose very name is taken from Democracy engaged in so little of same during the Primaries. When they stole certified votes from one candidate to give to another, it was clear that I could not, in good conscience, align myself with such an unethical, immoral organization.

One note abt Tucker Carlson – he was HORRIBLE to Hillary Clinton. He made a whole bunch of misogynistic jokes at her expense. Take a look at GeekLove’s “Mad as Hell youtube video, and you’ll see (here’s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM )

Thank heavens for No Quarter…

When people start paying 60% + in taxes the CPAC event will look like the beginning of a powerful anti-government movement.

Around our house we refer to the former VP as, “The Deadly Dick of Disaster.”

I second that emotion. Now a person w/o a party and nowhere to go.

The last thing I want is a party with a flag for its symbol called the Patriot Party. Reminds me of Bush’s Patriot Act. Yuck. Patriotism…the last refuge of scoundrels.
We do need a new party. An intelligent party with decency, reason and intelligence at its core. None of which seem to be a part of the Dums or Rethugs. And we need it NOW!

“Banking Queen” is so funny. The first time I heard it is was shocked by the audacity but by the end of the song I was laughing at its brilliance and admiring Rush’s courage. I love how the left only thinks it is cutting edge and admirable to make fun of people like Palin through stereotypes but not anyone who represents the left. Tina Fey was brilliant mocking Palin but Rush and others also have moments of genius mocking members of the left.

Funny both JRD and truthorconsequences mention socialist Europe, progressives and not caring about the little guy. If you’re interested, google on googlevideo.com Margaret Thatcher’s 1990 speech to the Parliament.

She totally put the Socialist Party in its place. She told one Socialist member who challenged her “I have nothing but contempt for you Socialists. You want to make the poor poorer!”

Then she demonstrates how Socialists, i.e, Progressives, always talk about the gap between rich and poor, but their solutions ensure that the rich become poor and the poor become poorer. She eloquently stated that they, the Socialists (Progressives) never want to find solutions to improve the lives of the poor, rather, they enact solutions to destroy the lives of the rich so that they’re now worse off and the Progressives are happy because the gap has indeed closed, but not for the better.

She warned that we need to be careful when Socialists and Liberals begin to squeal about a gap between income groups. This only means that they are intent to bring everyone down. We desperately need a Margaret Thatcher to speak out against these destructive progressives today.

I agree with an earlier comment–the the extreme left side of the dem party has taken over. I’m an independent and would never join either one of these parties. I’m disgusted by Rush’s comments too. But no more than about he smears against Hillary and Sarah from the left, and quite frankly some bigoted remarks about Jindal. For so long we accept that the dems represent certain things–a womens right to choose, gay rights, etc. But what has the party done about these and other issues? I refuse to be held hostage by words. Greed and power lust on both sides. Just saw a headline that indicated “liberal” lobbyists are lining up for their payoffs.

How anybody could contemplate becoming a Rethuglican is beyond me. They nominated, supported and elected GWBush. They were liars, criminals and destroyers of this country and the world. They killed the goose that laid the golden eggs. they killed the USA…and critically wounded the world.
The problem with the Dems is that 0bama and his thugs stole the Deomcratic Party. We have to take it back. We are Democrats. They WERE different. But NOW they are a perversion of what they use to be and what they stood for. There is a big difference between a Democrat and an 0bamacrat. Democrats were left with no choice. Almost like Reagan and GWBush took over the GOP. 0bama and his Chicago thugs took over the Democrats. Pelosi and Reid wanted to be part of the power structure. They threw in with the devil himself. The question remains. How can we take back our party?

That’s funny because my most recent term of endearment for Obama is Dr. Disaster.

PUMA BABY!

Retreads and dodo dems – blind party walkers – lemmings – sanctimonious HYPOCRITES ALL OF THEM!!!

The few blue dogs that still hold my affection, I FEAR, will bleed away and NO ONE will be left to DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrr!

If the republican party can stick to the principles of free markets, limited government, and individual freedoms then I’m all in.

After watching this week, IMO, this is what CPAC was all about. I’m all for a political party that represents these principles – and I still believe many members of the Republican party do. We just need to elect and hold accountable all of our Republican representatives. Conservatism has been perverted by the media and middle-of-the-roaders, not by conservatives. We are still the same conservatives we’ve always been.

As for some sort of middle of the road, Independent party – I’ve found that this sort of consensus is not consensus at all. It is a sacrifice of one’s principles to serve one’s self-interests. I have no need for aisle-crossers – they need not apply.

America continues to be an overall conservative nation – based on the example of how we live our lives, respecting the (inherently equal) freedom of others to live their lives as they choose. It is only when Liberals demand the government step in to make some more equal than others that conservatives get their hackles up.

Now look what you’ve done! YOU START ME UP, I may NEVER STOP! RUNNING HOT, GONNA BLOW MY TOP!

LOLOL!

Greetings Sunday NoQtr Bloggers!

I keep talking about my political identity crisis to friends and of course I am all over the place. One day I’ll be certain I am a Reublican and other days I know that if by some chance Hillary can run in 2012, I’d be campaigning for her! I am a Clinton democrat. That’s what I am. I do lean more conservative and this experience has made me even more so. I now support gun rights and there are a few other GOP issues that I have flipped support on. I do have to say that I agree with Rush on wanting Obama to fail. The reason being that yes, we will suffer now (aren’t we anyway? Anyone who thinks Obama is going to fix it better go back and read all about Obama’s past, the Annenberg Challenge, etc.), but if he succeeds, this is the utter bullshit of elections for all eternity. If cheating and stealing and fraud works and we support it, then by God, cheating, stealing and fraud is what you are going to get. Obama needs to fail BIG. We need to make sure that Obama is the most expensive, failed experiment ever and that no political party will try this buying and stealing an office again. Never again. Never again. I want my elections to work as they are suppose to work and not have the top job go to the highest bidder, who is completely unqualified and in over his head!!!!

Stop Obama now. I pray he is such a horrible failure that he doesn’t even make it through half of his term. Better Obama fail than America cease to exist. America can rebuild, even better, but we have to get rid of these enemies attacking our way of life. To me, Obama has declared war on us, yet many don’t even realize it yet!

I, too, am disappointed in both Parties. There’s the crooks in the Republican Party like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Stevens, etc. etc. And then there’s the crooks in the Democratic Party like Obama, Rahm, Pelosi, Dodd, Franks, and a whole lot more. I doubt if we will make any headway into either of these parties. The corruption of the election process was so deep and so cleverly planned, I doubt with their success the Dems will change any plans in the future. The GOP will just regroup and try to get nastier to defeat the Dems. Which leaves those of us who believe in a true Democracy and want our government to work. I also think a new Party is called for. The name is very important. Maybe an Independent Party or Left Behind Party or We Left You Party. I think we should begin this work, if anyone is interested in creating a website for a New Party and those of us interested can visit it and volunteer to do the work that needs to be done. Maybe we can talk Sarah and Hillary and Bill into joining.

ok so correct me if I’m reading this wrong…….

Hillary offers up the bill to China
China takes the bill and adds quite a large gratuity

All the while NEW ADMIN is hoping WE on planet cyber earth WON’T find out about it? Or care, as long as our lives are not interrupted……. and again HOPING we can pay back the loan in 2 hundred years and the MANDARIN Bankers will not close the account early? Red Army comes rolling in from Palin’s northern most tundra that was once frozen deep

hmm (getting ahead of myself)

Alibe, I also do not like the term “Patriot Party,” for largely the same negative associations you suggest. If another party takes shape to represent the large bloc of middle-of-the-spectrum voters, I would want a term that stakes out a neutral ground, like “Centrist Party.”

Susan, your story about the “purple faced” man who bravely dared to verbally assault a woman for the crime of having two innocuous bumper stickers, was an ominous tale foreboding a severe emotional divide in the citizenry of this country. People could start fighting with each other, and not just verbally. Susan, I know from having read so many of your stories that you are a good person, and you responded civilly. Many others would have flipped him off, and the situation could have gone downhill rapidly from there. I’ll be watching you like the canary in the coal mine: once you start losing control with idiots like Purple Face, I’ll know that “the center cannot hold” and anarchy is around the corner. As to who might eventually represent us in the political center, and where we fit in? Many of us are wondering.

You are in a lot of good company, Susan!

I’m politically homeless as well.

First, I can ignore Rush Limbaugh. There are equally-obnoxious liberals.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright disabused me of a lot of criticism I had for the Christian Right — he’s just as hateful and bigoted as the worst evangelical. And the Christian Right liked Palin who, contrary to the smears and misinformation spread by her detractors, isn’t a theocrat. So maybe there’s hope for the Republican Party. Since the media have been sounding the death knell for it, I suspect they may be premature given Obama’s agenda, arrogance and tactics, along with the fact that several Democrats I know despise Pelosi. This is somewhat reminiscent of the Watergate era which was also supposed to be the end of the GOP. Lazarus may rise again, who knows?

I think though that the next few years may prove to be an opportunity like none other before for the emergence of a strong third party if my fears/predictions of an unneccesarily-prolonged recession occurs, or stagflation, or depression. So far in recent history, Ross Perot has been the most successful third party candidate, but he seemed to attract disenchanted Republicans, not any Democrats. While a lot of us could go along with Michael Bloomberg, I wonder if he holds much national appeal? Other than him, I see no third party candidate who stands a chance. I’m hearing more and more people talking about libertarianism, but Ron Paul is kinda like Ralph Nader — attracting idealistic protest voters. Still, he seems to hold allure for a wide political array — Bill Maher often has him on his show, and fiscal (rather than cultural) conservatives seem to find him appealing as well.

Conservatives can be a pain in the a** but I will always support those that promote the Constitution, individual freedoms and capitalism over the gruesome crew now in charge of everything affecting our lives. There is room to make sure that we treat each other and those less fortunate, due to nothing they can help, with charity and compassion. That doesn’t mean taking from one group and giving it to another without asking or without them wanting to do it voluntarily. Socialism/fascism/communism doesn’t EVER work and only creates chaos and worse conditions for the poorest among us. So, I’ll take the conservatives at this point, as a registered Independent which I have always been. The Dems are lost now and the Repubs need revamping quickly but seem to have some sense of the people of this country and what it stands for. They have a lot of room for improvement however. My country needs to go on with all values and principles intact as put forth by our founders. Individual freedom counts. My grandchildren deserve that and a future that they can be free to be all they want to be with hard work, responsibility and generosity.

Susan,I think you are misunderstanding Rush’s comment about wanting O to fail. I agree with him. Do you want a socialist country? But beyond socialist, what he is doing is going to destroy our country…he is in the process of taking the economy down. I think people will get a hint when next year, instead of getting a tax refund, they owe money and they don’t have it…then what?

Also, I didn’t take his Barney Frank immitation as anti-gay; that’s how Frank talks.

I think people need to get over all of this sensitivity stuff and easily offended stuff and listen to what the guy is saying. I started listening to him during the campaign because of his anti-Obama comments..very funny. I don’t agree with him on everything, obviously, but he often has some very astute insights into what is going on.

I started out for Hillary, but ended up working for McCain/Palin. I am an independent, definitely will never be a Dem again and I am not a Republican. At this point, I am leaning toward Libertarian. I support Sarah Palin and I will gladly work for her campaign if she decides to run for Pres.

Hi Susan, What do you think of the Libertarians? Check out Ron Paul’s http://www.campaignforliberty.com (I’m honestly not trying to shill it, but I’m in the same position as you and now is the time to gather information.)

No one party is ‘perfect’ and we will all have to make compromises when we choose whom to support, but the general idea behind this one is that the most humane way to live is less national government, more decisions made by local government. That way people are more in control of how their own lives are governed.

Thank you Aaron
If I’m going to be standing in a soup line because of the corrupt politicians, Democratic and Republican(just look at the Chicago thug Emanuel on Face the Nation this morning)then I’d rather be standing there in a capitalist, democratic society where I’m free to say whatever I want without fear of intimidation(the polls in some major cities on Nov 4th with BO’s thugs from ACORN) than in BO’s version of Venezuela. What did Patrick Henry say, “Give me liberty or give me death.” Or what that revolutionary religious leader Jesus Christ said “Man does not live by bread alone.”

We had a third party called the Patriot Party which was formed from Ross Perot’s party and several other large 3rd parties who united under the name Patriot Party to make them more powerful against the two established Democratic and Republican parties so we know what happens to third parties that threaten the two party system.

And since these two parties that have no Constitutional authority to select any candidate for any office have become the kingmakers of our politicized election process they will not be easily displaced. I’ve always been registered as an independent voter and thus have alway been locked out of expressing an opinion in primaries.

If we truly want to change things, just leave the party you belong to; they don’t have many loyal followers left. And we all saw what happened in 2008, 18 million of the “rank and file” voted one way and the party VIPs refused to let those votes be counted so that the person they had selected could claim a dubious victory.

Throughout our history when a political party no longer represented the Will of the People, it went out of business. Way past time for the two parties who gave us Bush and Soertoro/Obama become defunct; they wield too much unconstitutional power when they can disenfranchise voters and overrule state legislators – one of the reasons States are reasserting their Amendment 10 powers.

Great post.

Only I don’t know that even if we make that huge fantasy that Obama and the Democratic party not have trashed and drove over the Clintons that I would have still been a Democrat or voting for Obama. There was just so much more involved in this election and you still ended up with Obama, the hustler, liar, inexperienced opportunist that has an ego so huge that he needed to fill his made up life with more ego building to sell himself to get the highest job and hope that would make him feel complete.

Nah I am still a democrat. Just not supporting the party at the moment. I cannot get into the republican party.

We have been redistributing the wealth upward for the last 8 years. The class war has been going on with patriotic themes and viva free capitalism. So I am incredulous with claims of a “class war” , robbing the rich and other such tripe. If anything for all of these claims of socialism, the greatest bulk of the money is going to welfare for wall street. We are still getting the crumbs, just a few more this time around. We are only “socializing risk”. However, the benefit will still be controlled by the few elite private sector. Socializing risk while maintaining private benefit private is not Socialism. It is continuing to accrue wealth for the few at the expense of the many.

The Free Market Laissez Faire Capitalist gambled and lost big time. They come hat in hand to the government for salvation and whine at the same time about Socialism. They threaten ever greater economic destruction if we don’t help them. If you notice Socialism only applies to any benefit to the average tax payer. Screaming Socialism does not apply to the assistance they are receiving from us. It is merely a game of chicken to see how much money they can get without any continued responsibility or accountability. They scream Socialism and Nationalism as a red herring to keep the money flowing their way as it has for the past 8 years.

Where do you fit it? Probably with the Libertarian Party.

With regard to Iraq, I bet your chapped about Obama leaving 50,000 troops there. Where’s the outrage from the moveon.org folks? Ah…….I see several democrats are turning a blind eye to Obama’s policy. What hypocrites.

Distributing the wealth upwards? It’s their wealth!! And all the Bush tax cuts did was let the Producers and Earners of this country keep more of their earnings to reinvest into the private sector. 2% of the Producers in this country pay the highest tax rate; add in state and sales tax, and they pay over 50% of their income, but that’s not enough? We need more because there happen to be poor people who are “getting crumbs”? The mistake the “poor” make is waiting for the government to take care of them or give them something.

Perhaps I’m just too dense to understand the progressive way of thinking about earning and income. I don’t see those who are “wealthy” (now defined as $250,000 or more) as selfish or evil people because they took the risks to start businesses or improve their lot in life. I see them as achievers who should reap the rewards that their hard work yielded.

And don’t think most people who earned $250,000 or more started at that figure. They had to work years and years and risk failure and setback to finally get to a high income and nice lifestyle, only to have Democrats tell them they earn too much and now it’s time to give to those who, for whatever reasons, did not take the same risks.

Oh well, perhaps Dems will finally see the light when the private sector shrinks to the point where even they don’t have jobs anymore because those evil and nasty “rich” people just stop caring enough to create them. Atlas Shrugged was very prophetic.

Thanks Linda, well said.

Who among us wanted that stimulus package to successfully pass?

Thought so.

Ron Paul is the most effectively-articulate Libertarian on the scene, but with so much special interest group influence in our government, I fear libertarianism may be an idealistic pipe dream. BUT its time may come in reaction to the Obama agenda. In any case, I certainly appreciate libertarianism’s stance in the political tug-of-war, and never more so than now.

I was briefly a member of our local Libertarian Party in the 80′s. It was a very strange group — some were the weirdest people I’ve ever associated with. Maybe it’s different these days though.

Us too.

the sexist and unethical mistreatment of Hillary Clinton by the Democratic party so changed me — so infuriated me — that I can never again be a “good” Democrat.

OH, Susan…I think about this EVERY SINGLE DAY. I feel a certain resentment because of what I saw during the primary and knowing that I can never ever go back to a party that calls itself “liberal” minded but didn’t do anything to stop that kind of hate. I have friends who call themselves feminists but with the threat of both Hillary and Sarah in power, readily spew out venom.

THe weird thing about us is that we have had companies in socialist Canada, socialist Europe, as well as the U.S. so we know that a lot of the socialist alarmist concern is being expressed by a lot of people with no actual experience outside the U.S. And still we are in the same independent political category as all the rest of you. I think Seattle Moss may be right that Bloomberg might represent us best.

We know the things that don’t work in each of the countries where we have run companies but we have absolutely ZERO confidence in Obama to choose the things that DO work. If only we had Hillary (sigh).

Like it or not, there are two parties.
Voting as an independent gives one’s vote the same value as many democratic votes!
Zero!
I would have been very interested in a Bloomberg candidacy, until he was working to put Caroline in the Senate.
Now I question his judgement.
In my opinion, this country needs an active, vocal opposition to BO, and I’m hoping the republicans bring it on!

Agreed – thank heavens for No Quarter.

So Obama thinks he is good at being President with so little of it under his belt. I loved Michelle’s “Life in the White House” magazine spead with even less time there given the lead time needed to prepare the photos and article.

Is that the time he denigrated the (presumably BofA) costly interior decorating? Does that mean he’s going to stop all the previously touted, plans that Michelle has for redecoration the White House?

It’s going to be fun when she gets in high gear.

SusanUnPc, first to just to re-affirm your bumberstickers, both are non political both are true.

You should see the glares I get with mine saying “person who is is not falling for Obama’s line of crap”…here in “wine country”.

It is like the the ducks in my Dough-boy pool. Where one fits is determined more and more by the increasing lack of options.

The salmon is an appropriate analogy to the current morass. Swimming in an ocean only to return to same river, swimming against the current at all cost, toward their inevitable fate.

Susan

I understand your hesistance about supporting the Republican agenda. However, what Obama and the Dems have proposed will bankrupt this country.

Obama’s shift to “redistributing the wealth” in this country amounts to failure. Our President is a fraud and lied to the American people. BO stated that he would have a transparent government. Right, is that why he is placing the next census under WH control to tinker with the next Presidential election? Why are all the new WH reporters all Obama hacks? We have Jake Tapper, Chuck Todd, Huffington Post, Garrett/Fox, etc.

BO stated that no one under $250,000 will pay extra taxes. Pork affects all Americans. The money for his programs comes from taxpayers, and many of us are paying our income taxes unlike Geithner, Daschle, Rangel, and others.

Obama is rewarding and paying back every group or individual that stoled this election for him. We are talking about the media, unions, teacher’s groups, Democratic Congress, governors, mayors, etc. Now, we have someone from Acorn stating in a Fox interview that everyone has a right to own a house even if they can’t afford it.

My point is simple. BO and the Dems are moving at breakneck speed to ram everything through Congress to make most of us dependent on our government for handouts. Rush, Sean, Ann, Tucker are pundits and do not have control of this government. They are speaking the truth about Obama.

Obama maintains a false exterior of popularity due to the one-sided reporting from the cultist Obama media.

Amen to the Republicans, Rush, Sean, Mark Levin and others. Until the media levels the playing field and scrutinizes Obama, this nation has failed.

Their wealth? Um, they wouldn’t have earned the wealth had it not been for the little dudes buying their crappy products. And I don’t consider $250,000 rich. We’re talking about the uber rich that care nothing for the suffering of the working class. The ones that blow $6000 on a shower curtain, take obscene bonuses, yet have to fire 450 employees, have their companies take huge losses then crawl to Uncle Sam for handouts. Look, I don’t want any of your measley $250,000 grand a year, but if you think that you can use America to make millions off the blood and sweat of the Joe the Plumbers of the world, then turn around and hire lobbyists to make sure the rest of us can’t do the same, then damn straight, we’re going to have a rather painful meeting of the minds.

The only problem is that if Obama fails and loses all credibility early on, unlike the Parliamentary system, there is no mechanism in American Government for getting rid of him before his four years are up. And he can do a lot of damage in that time – look at George Bush.

This isn’t true. Wealth has been concentrating up in the top one percent of the population despite the increased productively of the American worker who has seen nothing but stagnant or falling wages.

Those “top earners” gambled with “reinvestment” not in manufacturing or production, but smoke and mirrors. They lost due to their greed for the immediate maximum return on their money while producing very little in the way of creating higher paying jobs for everyone. Now those with the stagnant wages good for nothing lazy middle class folks need to bail them out.

Great post.

Yeah, and they sure do spawn a lot on the way!!

Reminds me of the great Pacific NW joke:
Q: What did the salmon say when it hit a concrete wall?
A: Dam(n)!

Back in the day when Helen Cheneweth was in the house of reptiles, we had a CAN HELEN / NOT SALMON campaign. Still have that bumpersticker somewhere….

And even more OT, Idaho could/does make more money from tourism (aka fishing) than by keeping their river barges going. Who’da thunkit?

Yup. They sent the jobs overseas, they send their money to Cayman Islands and then they want the little guy to pay for their greed. They can bite me. And if you think Obama is a socialist, you’re not paying attention. He’s busy paying off HIS wealthy backers. He’s just another corporate thug. Kucinich is a true liberal.

Still a Democrat, but barely. I agree with Susan, because many of the values I thought the Dems represented, were values I support, i.e., womens’ rights, civil rights, gay rights, etc. The problem with the Dems-they have changed. I am a Clinton supporter and I am hoping that she may still be President one day. In the meantime, I’m feeling a bit lost. I cannot support the current crooks and liars. They are leading us in the destruction of the America that our forefathers invisioned. We must do something, to bring about change. I wish I knew how we could do it.

Speaking of fishing, (and where do I belong?) One of the most amazing things I have seen is a number of Grizzly swatting (fishing) salmon out of the river.

The other was hiking through a stand of conifer on the banks of the Kenai, I was startled by the sound of a bald eagle taking flight. I look up in the tree and see hundreds of salmon skeletons hanging in the tree, like ornaments on a Christmas tree.

Point being is, man has only himself as a predator and political parties are just salmon.

You spend way too much time listening and absorbing the media lies; small business owners, the backbone of this country and create the true wealth for all of us, are not earning millions upon millions of dollars to hide away in the Cayman Islands. They see profit from their business in the thousands, not millions.

For those who earn a profit of $250,000 or more and file as an S Corp., they are going to be taxed out of existence because you and your like think they make too much. Who are you to think you’re entitled to anything they earn?

This is galling and unfortunately, it’s your liberal mindset. I am thrilled I am not a liberal, for carrying around all of your anger, hatred and class envy must be very exhausting.

Holy cow…wow…do you have pictures of the tree? I’d really want to see that… just wow…

(I’ve seen a couple of them feeding in a lake in Oregon, but AK is a whole different world…maybe someday! I have a fishing guide contact who I want to make use of ASAP!)

I couldn’t bring myself to drop my Dem membership even after all the betrayal by Those People because I believed the 18 million who shared my views could reclaim our party. I no longer know what to believe. So many of us who were abandoned by our party are now feeling such apathy that I’m not confident we could muster up the enthusiasm to form a garage sale, much less a new political party.

For me this past election year was the first time I cared enough to truly get involved beyond voting. Now I feel like a teen who, after getting her driver’s license, goes right out and wraps her car around a tree. I still haven’t recovered and may never want to get behind the wheel again.

MaryPat, I don’t think that Pelosi is any more “loathesome, petty, and partisan” than Newt Gingrich was during his tenure as Speaker of the House. I’m guessing you’ve completely forgotten Newt’s role in the budget crisis of 1995-96 which led to the brief shutdown of several government agencies?

I was a life long Democrat, but now I consider myself an Independent. Independent candidates have fared very poorly in the national election and I do not see any hope for it in the future. If you look at the two major political parties, you will see that two are to split among various voting blocks. The Republicans have their conservatives and moderates. The Democrats have their “blue dogs” and the ethnic blocks (AA and Hispanic). If the AA vote would have split along the lines of all the other Obama voters, Obama would not have even made it out of the primaries. He average about 95% of the record turnout vote among AA voters.I think we should stay within the Democratic party and be a coalition within the party. Blue dog Democrats and Puma Democrats would have the numbers to win the primaries

If you listen to Obama carefully, the rhetoric is FAMILIES earning over $250,000 a year. So my question is whether that means a combination of two people earning that much, and if so, what does that mean for just one person? Is it $250,000 for one person, or less?

Did you not read my earlier statement? I’m not concerned with those making $250,000 or less. Hell my family was one of those who payed more in taxes than most people make. It’s those uber rich on both sides that set policy. Read Larry’s newest post. They are at the very top and will do anything and anybody to stay there. They don’t give a damn about America, they’ll retire in Dubai or South America and vacation in the south of France while the rest of us squabble over the remaining crumbs.

Obamastolemyboyfriend, I`m with you 100%. I want that slimeball Obama to fail.
IF Hillary runs again I`m with her but, if she doesn`t I`m pulling down every Repub lever I can find just to get rid of these progressives. Them I`m a democrat again.
Greenwald has a new PAC Accountability Now targeting centrist Democrats. They want to move the party MORE to the left. There are almost 80 progressive seats in the house already. I hate Pelosi. I`ll never forget what the witch did. I hate Soros. He screwed Hillary. I want them all to fail. They screwed us. We have to screw them. If siding with Limbaugh burns Pelosi and Chris Matthews a$$. That`s what I want to do, just to get rid of them. When we centrists take the Democratic Party back, I`M THERE.
Lincoln said, “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” I`m uniting with the Repubs just to get rid of the progressives. Then I`m a Democrat again. I`ve got no allegiance to the Repubs. I`m on a mission. And I don`t intend to fail. We left a job undone in November. Let`s finish it off and kill this progressive beast NOW!

And exactly how did Thatcher make life better for “the little guy”, to say nothing of the poor? Thatcher herself didn’t care about the poor. As you note, Thatcher talked about THE RICH and how THEY were being affected by Labour and the Social Democrats’ plans, not about how HER policies adversely affected the poor.
Thatcher was also a homophobe to the extreme.
Hm, she spoke of how the rich suffered and was a homophobe. Yep. A true conservative. No wonder the right-wingers in this country are so fond of her.

JRD, sounds like a plan. After Hillary lost the nomination I sought out some Republicans at work to see where they were in terms of McCain, and to the man (or woman), they were pretty lukewarm in their support for him, but realized the alternative was much, much worse. (And as a side, two of the women had switched parties before the primaries to vote for Hillary, were going to vote for her in the GE if she had won the nomination.)The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and right now for me that means supporting every person who runs opposing this progressive mania, whoever it is.

JRD

Kudos to your post!

Oh please. Conservatives don’t mind that some are more equal than others. They never have.
It wasn’t “conservatives” that supported the Civil Rights movement. No, conservatives wanted the colored man to take it step by step, very slowly, and let the country change in its own good time. (Of course, at the rate things were going, African-Americans would still be waiting for full equality for another century.)
Who was it that opposed affirmative action programs? Conservatives. Oh, sure, conservatives had no real beef against the idea that everyone should be treated equally, they just had no intention of doing anything to ensure that equality. How do minority groups become equal when a business’s personnel office is staffed by white faces (usually female clerical staff with a male supervisor who made the final hiring choices) and the business has no reason to ensure the BEST candidate is hired? You might argue that businesses today don’t discriminate on basis of race or religion, but why is that? Could it be 40 years of Equal Employment Opportunity programs and practices which are designed to make sure they don’t discriminate?
Look at gays. Conservatives may say they’re not being discriminatory but they’ve done very little (some might say “almost nothing”) to support gays being treated as fully equal. It’s been conservatives (especially SOCIAL conservatives) who’ve been most ardent in denying same-sex marriage as well as the “separate but equal” civil unions and even domestic partnerships. Hell, even WITH legal civil unions and domestic partnerships, gays don’t get treated with full equality by the Feds (again, largely due to conservative resistance) come tax time. Gays STILL can be fired from a job for no reason and they have no recourse to appeal (on a state level, they might have some recourse, but in many states–especially in “conservative” areas–there’s NO recourse to job loss, even when it’s obvious that sexual orientation was the cause). And it was conservative Democrat Sam Nunn who fought hardest against Pres Clinton’s efforts to allow gays to serve openly. (Remember that Nunn led that little media jaunt into a submarine to show how “dangerous” it would be for gay men to serve so closely alongside straight men in the confined quarters.) Hell, after 15 years, DADT is being questioned by top brass (as well as grunts in the field), but that hasn’t stopped the services from proceeding at near-breakneck speed from discharging gay men and lesbians.
I suppose I should remind everyone that there was a time when Republicans could be as liberal as the Democrats that the current GOPers are so fond of denigrating. For his era, Teddy Roosevelt was more progressive than most Democrats and TR ran for the Presidency in 1912 on the Progressive Party ticket (it was only nicknamed the Bull Moose Party after a comment made by TR).

Concur as well.

Salmon bones in tree.

In my case, the tree had been around while. It appeared as though a bald eagle “bar and grill”.

Kenai River

SusanUnPC,

I feel your pain because it is also my pain. I have no idea where I fit in politically. It’s like leaving one’s home and moving to a very strange environment. I am totally confused right now about what to believe as I read the news–don’t watch much–in our local daily and on the blogs.

I have come to the conclusion that it is time to focus on my personal daily life, and just let history take care of itself while I make the best of my little, unimportant personal world.

I’m wandering in the woods with the rest of you lifelong D’s who were booted out of party this year. It’s nice to know I have great company!

I now know how it felt to the R moderates when the extreme faction of their party kicked them to the curb in the 80′s. These good folk are still wandering 19 years later.

It’s sheer fantasy, IMHO, that the Democratic Party I was raised in, the one Susan, and many others up thread defined so well, will ever return. Therefore, I’m getting comfortable with being an Independent. Never again will I be so blindly loyal to any party. Those days are over.

But, speaking of a new party, I strongly suggest it be a party that is laser focused on “middle class” issues. We’re the suckers who lack a solid voice and assertive apparatus to fight the recent assault on our incomes. The low income strata have the D’s and the high income have the R’s, but who in the hell is looking out for the middle? Sure the pol’s spew good rhetoric touting their concern for “middle class” but show me policies passed in the last decade that support their talk. Hell, show me a budget that’s been passed in the last decade that took pressure off of the middle class.

I daresay that we wandering D’s may want to join forces with the wandering R’s and build a Party around middle class issues and priorities.

I watched his imitation of Someone…I would have sworn he was doing an imitation of William F Buckley. He was dead on with that imitation. And then I see some think he was trying to imitate Barney Frank. Not even close to Barney. But he did nail Buckley!

YOU GO GIRL..I GOT YOUR BACK!!

I watched Limbaugh’s CPAC address all the way through with growing incredulity. His assertion that he wants Obama to fail–that conservatives should all want Obama to fail–was stunning. What struck me as an astonishingly unpatriotic statement he rationalized with a football analogy: Of course you want the other team to fail. Of course you want their ball-carrier to fumble. Because you want your team to win, dammit!

He apparently doesn’t give a rat’s ass what failure would imply for the country as a whole. Evidently America is battle to the death between opposing ideological teams–not a common endeavor we should all want to succeed.

Another rationalization was that this is no different than democrats having wanted failure in Iraq. Hey, Rush, I certainly wanted Bush’s Herculean efforts to start a war in Iraq to fail. But don’t try to equate that with a desire for failure of U.S. troops once they’re on the ground and in harms way, you S.O.B.

If this guy’s extremism is the future of American conservativism, it’s dead to me.

Good Observation d2d – I now know how it felt to the R moderates when the extreme faction of their party kicked them to the curb in the 80’s. These good folk are still wandering 19 years later.

So, after reading the posts, the consenses appears to be that
1. Work with the moderate R’s and get a moderate candidate that will overthrow the liberal D’s.

2. Do nothing and “Hope” for a “Change”

or

3. Start immediately a 3rd party for the moderates of both parties.

How about “the new party” as a name?

How about The Coalition Party for those millions who have been left behind by both the Left and the Right, and who want to find a practical middle-ground.

Because of GWB we have BO.

I wish the Repubs had fought harder against GWB these past 8 years. Oh yeah, and thanks to the Supreme Court he stole the 2000 election.

Anybody involved with the Log Cabin Republicans? I read where they filed an amicus brief against Prop 8. They are having their national meeting in DC mid-April.

Just mentioning the group because they seem to be far more reasonable from what little that I have read than the “conservatives.”

So what does $250K have to do with anything? Why not $500M?

Strawberry–you are exactly right!

Since GWB pillaged the Treasury with his war, I believe Obama was installed to finally crack the Social Security nut for Wall Street which has been salivating at the thought of private accounts since FDR.

Libertarians are off the mark and too extreme on almost all fronts. Didn’t Ron Paul think that roads and other such infrastructure should be a voluntary matter?

Susan –
Great bumperstickers! I’d add a “Spay/Neuter – Don’t Litter”!

As you become more successful your rewards become progressively higher, and so do your membership dues. It this so strange a concept?

Since there’s an obvious correlation between wealth and power, progressive tax rates are essential if you want to retain anything resembling an actual working democracy.

“I`ve got no allegiance to the Repubs. I`m on a mission. And I don`t intend to fail. We left a job undone in November. Let`s finish it off and kill this progressive beast NOW!”

Sounds good to me. But let’s call them regressives, rather than progressives.

It makes no sense that you take the word of a hard core liberal who admires Tucker Carlson immensely. Has it been that long ago that you have forgotten the disgust over Carlson’s remarks he made about automatically crossing his legs any time Hillary’s name is mentioned?

I watched Limbaugh’s speech on Fox and don’t recall any interruption in the signal during what you call the “gay slur routine.” I also did not interpret that as a gay reference. He was referring to those who have lost their “…..” within the Republican party. There is a rift between those like Limbaugh and other prominent Republicans who want the party to adopt a more moderate line. Limbaugh thinks the others are “giving in” and are weakening the party’s conservative values. Thus, the reference to castration and the high-pitched voice. He followed by referring to them as having lost their guts. I believe it was a typical male/power thing that you hear all the time from men. It was not a reference to gays.

I’ve been forcing myself to read and listen to people from all over the political spectrum lately. Even have listened to Limbaugh the last couple weeks – enough to understand what he means about wanting Obama to fail. He doesn’t want America to fail but he fears for our future and the future of all citizens if we go down the path that Obama seems to be taking us. He believes that America has become the beacon for freedom and prosperity because of the forsight the founders wrote into the Constitution. He believes that Obama is not just taking us down a path even more radical than Carter, but he believes that Obama is tearing the Constitution to shreds. Knowing this, it makes perfect sense that Limbaugh wants Obama to fail. He believes that Obama’s success equals the demise of the U.S.

There is a lot I don’t like about Limbaugh, but I do believe that he loves our country as much as anyone could. I also do not believe that he is a bigot or a racist or anything of the like. He just knows what he believes and stands up for his beliefs. He talks about how the Dems are always saying they are for the poor and the “little” people but that those peoples’ lives have not gotten any better – the Dems don’t seem to help them. He believes that the Dems stategy is to tear the “rich” people down so that everyone is “poor” while he believes that we should lift the “poor” up and into prosperity so that everyone is “rich.”

Obama has made some very suspicious moves and I think that we all need to be on our toes. After all, Senator Byrd even wrote to Obama about the use of all the czars being a power grab – the czars are not under the supervision of the Congress, they report only to Obama.

And does anyone think that the leadership forcing the vote on the stimulus bill without time for it to be read, understood, and debated was following and promoting their oaths of office – every person in the House and Senate takes an oath to uphold the Constitution. How can the members know that a bill upholds and/or does not harm our constitutional rights if they are not allowed to read it? That was a betrayal of the public trust and borders on a type of treason. I would love to see someone start legal proceedings against the House and Senate majority leaders over that. That sort of thing must be stopped.

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations…. This danger ought to be wisely guarded against.”
– James Madison

They all make me sick but after the way the Democrats acted w Obama, I will support the Republicans with a watchful eye. At least they “seem” to know the error of their ways and want to change. I reserve my right to change my mind if they don’t come through.

great post SM and like it or not, capitalism is what gives us all a job. CEO’s work alot of hours and make sacrifices most of us would not want to in order to run a company so they should be compensated. However when they bankrupt the company they are running, they should get NOTHING but a kick in the pants.

Businesses are in business to make a profit. Keep taxing them to support 40% of people, some illegal aliens, to sit on their lazy ass all day and not pay any taxes….they’ll close up shop and sail off into the sunset and take their money w them.

Eventually the pain of these socialistic ideas like capping CEO pay and universal health care, will hit the pocketbooks of Kool Aid drinkers. And we all know they like to say they have compassion for the poor as long as they don’t have to pay for it. We’ll see how they like it then.

We have BO disaster because of stupid Rush, remember his so-called operation chaos? If the repubs don’t dump Rush and Newt they will lose again and again and again. They also need to stop idolizing Reagan, repubs are living in the past, they need new ideas, new blood and new direction. The young people I talked told me that during the election it was between the old guy and the “cool” guy, this is what the repubs are dealing with and they need a strategy to cope with this. Palin is the closest thing they have to a rock star, popularity whether good or bad was off the charts, let her have a go at it and put Rommey out there too for his business savvy.

It is not just Obama who is the target of the Republicans and conservatives to ridicule the Democrats and do all their propaganda to make the Democrats fail.. Remember how they treated the Clintons.. What they are doing to Obama is so tame compared to what they did to the Clintons. But the Clintons survive their attacks and for just one simple statement by Limbaugh, the liberal media went livid and wants to protect the infantile Obama. Enough already. Obama chose to be where he wants to be so he should be attacked just like the Clintons and other politicians for that matter.

Again as I keep writing in my posts here. I am rejoicing to see the Republicans in their situation now. I, too, left the Democratic Party and every time there is argument in my family, they immediately assume that I support the Republicans. I am in no way near any Republican. I do not subscribe to their idea of conservatism as they define it. I am with Bill Clinton, play by the rules that he kept talking about.. He failed in his morals and heck no one died. Whereas, politicians like Bush, Cheney and Obama and Biden, and Pelosi, and Harry Reid…They all lied and it cost us this bad economic down turn and I heard a few people committed suicide.. That is lying that I can not tolerate. No the immoral act that Bill Clinton is guilty of.. After all a some Republicans are just as guilty like Sen. Vetter who had an affair with a prostiture.

In my view, I prefer to be independent so I can scrutinize and make my decision when I vote in the general election. I can swing one way or the other way. I can look at the person I am voting for and not his party. If I like what I see and not what I hear from candidates, then I will vote for that candidate whether Democrat or Republican. I realize now both parties are just disgusting like the other one. I hated the Republicans and I keep rejoicing these days to see them cowering and lost. In the meantime, the Democrats now that they are in power are just as mean as the Republicans. What choice do I have? Just be independent.. I am having fun watching both parties stumble. In the meantime, I blame the American people who voted for these clowns. I also will never give money again to any politician. They do not deserve my hard earned money. Let them scramble and con everyone who wants to part with their money. No more money for them from my own wallet.. Let the others open their wallets.. Not me.

Don’t you just hate it when someone tells you what kind of bumper sticker you should have on your car? In my part of the woods, some idiot printed the “Don’t Blame me I voted for Bush” and made millions and later he also was responsible for the “Sore Loserman” and made more millions. I like to have the sticker that someone was talking about here at NQ..
“Honk if you are paying my mortgage.” Can someone please tell me where to buy it? At my bank, most of the employees did not vote for Obama and they have a sticker with the “O” and its rays of blue and white followed by the word “S–t”. That will certainly raise eyebrows and better not drive in the inner city neighborhood or you will be mugged or shot at..

I don’t think Canada or Europe are socialist in the fashion that is most alarming. The type of socialism that IS alarming is the type where the government owns large portions of corporations, and then, with little or no experience in the industry, starts appointing teams or czars to direct the companies. The type that IS alarming to me are the type that decide that anyone who doesn’t agree with them is a racist, homophobic, hatemonger who needs silencing through legislative action.

An example of scary socialism is the auto industry, which is now going to be directed by a group of folks who haven’t worked in automotive, or manufacturing, or engineering, or any of the other complexities of running a business. These people will speak from on high, as though their Ivy league degrees qualify them to pontificate on all matters. I’m not impressed by the Ivy league ass that lives across the street from me any more than I am by the group in Washington. It would be like me taking my degree in computer engineering and using it as qualification to do heart surgery. They are speaking out of their arses as far as I can tell.

Same thing with banking. If all the problems were so obvious, then why didn’t they do something about it? If regulations were needed, then show me the ones they proposed. The only one that I saw that dealt with any of this, was the Fannie and Freddie legislation that was beaten with a stick by Democrats until it stopped moving.

We need to get off this idea that Ivy leaguers are going to fix our problems. They are the ones who put us here in the first place – we should have no reason to trust them to fix what they didn’t even see coming!

Your post is too long to respond to all of it, but I would have to say that your beliefs on conservative holding minorities down by not being for Affirmative Action are interesting. I view it as just the opposite. I think Affirmative Action, and programs like it, extend divisiveness beyond it’s normal shelf life.

I am a female with a degree in computer engineering. I graduated from a class that was probably 90% male. I worked very hard to obtain my degree and upheld myself to the highest standards as far as work ethic and grades. I taught Computer Science classes, did summer work programs in the industry, and amassed a pretty good resume by the time I graduated. Many, many companies contacted me my senior year for interviews and I had my choice of high paying jobs to choose from. What did my fellow classmates say? “Well, of course YOU have a job — you’re female. They HAVE to pick a certain amount of women.” That was my first experience of the natural consequences of Affirmative Action — even though I had done all the right things, I didn’t get credit for it because of the perception of bias in my favor.

When my company had to downsize and I didn’t lose my job, the men in my group all said similar things — “Well of COURSE, YOU didn’t lose your job, YOU’RE a woman.”

This went on constantly, and I am convinced that it was because there was a feeling on the part of my coworkers that people in minority classes were being given priority. It sets people up for jealousy, envy, and divisiveness, rather than achieving the desired result.

I also saw a lot of divisiveness occcur in my workplace when certain minorities were allowed extra slack — we had a young man who literally did almost no work for a year — just didn’t show up most days. When he was fired, he sued and was given compensation in the lawsuit. The reason the judgment came down in his favor? Our management continued to give him team bonusses, even though he didn’t contribute to the team quota. That was viewed in our office as a consequence of affirmative action — management too scared to act on the truth, and then when they do, they get punished.

Many of the feel good policies have darker unintended consequences. Sometimes the result of the policy is the exact opposite of what was hoped to be achieved.

How can Tuckers argue that NYT finds the “facts” and then twists them in a liberal way? What’s admirable about that?

I don’t fit in.

But, I like it that way. I don’t need to be categorized, and I like that I have a capacity for critical thinking. I’ve never felt the need to be part of a group; in fact, I have always rejected being part of a group–political party or otherwise.

I’m a contrary, independent cuss, and I think that’s the way to be.

Good call for Dead-eye Dick, Rum Raisin. He is definitely the Dick of Disaster. Ha! Has anyone ever reminded you more of Mr. Potter? Dick’s a creepy guy, if ever there was one. I always imagine that his grandchildren run away and hide when he visits.

I would have happily voted for Bloomberg. He is the type of person that I would like to see in the White House — someone who is pragmatic, not too ideological and truly bipartisan. He is well respected by all segments of his electorate, including the African American community since he treats everyone with dignity.

If Obama turns out to be a not-so-good President, you might see him go for it next time. Unfortunately 4 years seems like an eternity right now.

I’ve registered as an independent now. I was happy to be part of the party that had a lineage pointing to FDR and JFK but now it’s the party of Pelosi/Reid/Dean. I want no part of it and I no longer want to be associated with it despite the fact that I hold mostly Democratic views.

It’s also been nice to become a casual observer and not get so heated when hearing partisan politics.

it is simple really! the repubs are looking for their voice and message. they’ll stumble for awhile, but the dims will make it possible for them to rise again. you think not????????? i certainly cannot agree. the dimocrats are even stupider than i could imagine. damn stupid! i listend to jindal on larry king tonight and found myself agreeing with him.

the repubs need to become the new populists. they need to get out with joe sixpack and all the bitters these so called democrats sneered at in the last election. when they do that, these damn fools screwing in dc right now will be on their way to the dust bin of history. and i am not a republican by the way. i am not a democrat either and hell will freeze over before i ever become. they disgust me.