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Why is a NeoCon Defending Obama?

By Larry Johnson on February 22, 2008 at 10:27 PM in Current Affairs

I was pretty certain neocons were a clueless lot, but John Podhoretz, editor of Commentary Magazine, has removed any doubts. The Pod man reacts to the Ben Smith story on Politico.com about Obama and his efforts to hide his relationship with William Ayers, an unrepentant American terrorist (I saw the Podhoretz comment thanks to the New York Times blog). John Podhoretz at Commentary insists:

Barack Obama is in no way responsible for anything William Ayers might have said or done, and anyone who suggests otherwise is guilty of demagougery [sic].

But here’s a thought experiment. What if John McCain had visited the Unabomber’s cabin? Or had been photographed with Terry Nichols? Or had stopped off at David Duke’s house at some point because he was gathering support and donors?

Dude! What are you saying? It is no big deal? It should be a big deal?

Your experiment lacks knowledge. The key component is the knowledge of Obama (or McCain). What politician in their right mind would visit a known terrorist? What politician in their right mind would accept money from someone who carried out terrorist attacks on American soil? What politician in their right mind would collaborate with an unrepentant terrorist on the board of a private foundation?

Is there anyone else other than Obama? I am certain McCain would know better (as long as the unrepentant terrorist was not a lobbyist with pockets stuffed full of cash).

I am not suggesting or insinuating that Obama had a role in any of Ayers’ previous activities. But William Ayers was more than some college kid spray painting railroad bridges with graffitti. Try this thought experiment John. What if Ayers was an elderly Nazi concentration camp guard? Let’s say it is 1995 and the former Auschwitz camp guard decided he wanted to back Obama in his first run for the state legislature? Any problem with Obama taking that money?

Further, let’s assume the guard goes on the record with the New York Times in 2001 and states he does not regret what he did to the Jews in Auschwitz? Any problem? And let’s assume that Obama and the guard serve on the board of the Woods Fund and decide to approve a grant to the Arab American Action Network. Is there heartburn?

We are talking about more than incidental, inconsequential contacts. For me this calls into question Obama’s judgment. Yes, he found his way to oppose the possibility of a war in Iraq in the most liberal district in Illinois in 2002. But that is not judgment. I realize some folks believe it was a principled stand. But if it was such a deeply held principle, I do not understand why Obama did not press that position when he arrived in Washington. He went along with the crowd. That tells me he was simply playing pander politics.

Nothing wrong with pander politics per say, nor would Obama be the first politician to do such a thing. What I don’t understand is why he would accept fundraising help and associate with someone like William Ayers, who says he didn’t bomb America enough. That’s the question Obama has not yet answered.

ChrisXP

I’ll tell you what I dislike about this whole Ayers/Obama connection: how it’s being dismissed in the MSM (and by Obama-o-matic nuts). They’re protecting him like Fort Knox, and it’s more than just over idealogy. It’s uncanny to say the least, alarming at the worst.

When Fox News is giving Hillary less biased coverage (and you know the GOP hates her guts), this protection scheme is absolutely surreal.

So, what is the press really protecting, Larry?

Salo

He’s our Bush.

What has been excanged for this fawning coverage?

ChrisXP

Don’t even know if he’s Bush, but his developmental background is what scares me most. He’s denying half of his identity, and pardon me for using the non-PC way of saying it, “aping” being a Black. I’m biracial myself, but know to kill one side, won’t make one whole.

FYI: Little tidbit for folks wanting an idea how Fox News can be more considerate to Hillary.

James Murdoch, Rupert’s “heir-apparent” son, has been supporting Democrat candidates — including Hillary…

http://www.nndb.com/people/586/000160106/

Salo

It was a backhander. Podhhoretz recognizes a fellow former “community organizer” on the make.

Obama has publically accepted the Invisible Hand of the market so he’s no real idealogical threat to te right. He’s even dialing back his promises about pulling out of Iraq as his grasp on the nomination strengthens.

Why ask a question you know the answer to Larry?

Lorelynn

Wait a minute, Salo, he’s dialing back on his promises? No shit? I knew this was coming. I know the siren song of mega-defense dollars wealth would do him in.

If he’s elected, he won’t get us out of Iraq, and he’ll appoint anti-choice judges. I can see it coming clear as day. he’s going to saddle the Democrats with the overturning of RvW.

He’ll either wind up GOP or a lobbyist.

Salo

The judges will be liberal pro choicers. The Iraq business though…it’s too profitable to end it.

BernieO

I agree about the judges. No way will he appoint an anti-choice judge. I also disagree that the money would make him stay in Iraq. He has made far too many promises about it. However, it may be a lot more difficult to pull out than he thinks. It will take a very seasoned person to even hope to pull it off and he is definitely not that person.

ChrisXP

Can’t see Obama switching to the GOP, his whole identity is centered around his perceived Blackness, which means fighting the “system” as a civil rights activist. Conservatives are into protecting the “system.”

But as a lobbyist, yep, since he admires them so much he literally has one running his senatorial office!

Lorelynn

In the eighties, I dated a politician who had in mind that he might run for the presidency at some point. I was separated, but not yet divorced – hence, no photographs, no PDA. He wasn’t going to allow any photographs from his past to mess up his future. And it’s my experience that people who are serious about public office avoid entanglements that an opponent could use against them in the future. That is what I find so mystifying about Obama – why would anyone in the US Senate allow a mob affiliate to spend $625k of hard, cold cash to benefit them? Why do that? Why compromise that senate seat for a big house? How could someone delude themselves into thinking that it wouldn’t matter? I understand why Rezko did it – it was probably a bargain for him.

The Clintons got through the Starr investigation because they didn’t have anything like this Rezko entanglement in their past.
MarkL

They’re just playing around til he’s the nominee, then it’ll be 24/7 about Obama and crack cocaine.

Xeno

Yes, and the repubs already have a slew of dealers and fellow druggies waiting in the wings to serenade the press with tales of Barry’s deeds and misdeeds.
Jim

Or worse!

Fall of the Hillites

Why would a community leader and african-american professor at the University of Chicago ever converse with another african-amercian professor at UIC? And he accepted a donation from him? Damning. I thought the plagiarism story was weak tea, but this is water.

This is a nice contrast with the Clinton’s, who of course have only been involved with the highest class of people. You really think this is dirt? You really think the Clinton’s are cleaner? Do you want to see the right-wing media go over the last 8 years of Bill’s questionable financial dealings? Of course, we’ll just have to look through their tax returns, which will be released when? We’re expected to trust that their clean?

This is just garbage. Actually, the original story is garbage, this is 2nd rate meta-garbage (conspiracy based on the reaction to the original garbage). It aspires to reach garbage-hood. At least the Rezko stuff has the potential to be damaging, this is a joke.

Star

Fall of the Hillites –

You must work for MSNBC. Ayers is white. Great research Sherlock.

TeakWoodKite

LOL

Salo

who cares about Clinton? I don’t.

Percy

I do

BernieO

Um. The right wing and the media DID go over all of the Clinton’s dealings, had the resources of the FBI and $70 million dollars and found nada (except an affair). If you think Louie Freeh was pro Clinton and that’s why the FBI didn’t find anything, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
rjj

Do you know the difference between a professor and a lecturer? Obama was a lecturer.

Lorelynn

fall,

as a matter of fact, yes, i think the clintons are clean. And they’ve survived one $70 million investigation that combed through every check they have ever written and eveyr phone call they have ever made without finding anything. Not only do I think they’re clean, there is a massive investigation (the most well-funded in history) to prove they are clean. Starr wouldn’t have been reduced to attempting to spring a perjury trap if they weren’t.

One thing I am confident of with the Clintons is that they abide rigorously by the law. Bill may fool around, but that’s about it. And i don’t care about that.
Anna – Seattle

Fall, um, maybe you need to look at a photo of Ayers?
Fall of the Hillites

Seen it. Not impressed. I’m not saying the repubs won’t try to blow it up, I just don’t think there’s anything remotely substantial to it.

Lorelynn, I’m not at all concerned about what happened between 1980 and 2000, I’m terrified of everything between 2001 and now. Where are the tax returns? Why withhold them? Isn’t this part of the great vetting process we hear so much about? We’re supposed to trust their judgment, and then we get NY Times articles about weekend flights to Uzbekistan netting $32 million for the Clinton foundation? That’s terrible judgment.

Maybe you don’t care about Bill fooling around, but I’m pretty sure more proof of that would not help in October. Imagine 3 weeks of Fox News and CNN talking about the first single, divorced, female president right before the election. Maybe you don’t care about that, but maybe you should.

Star

Fall of the Hillites –

The only thing that you’ve established is that you’re not a credible source.

Great job with the Ayers is African-American info. FYI: Clinton isn’t divorced either.

Are you an Obama advisor or just a typical bagman for him? Either way you really should stop smoking crack.
Salo

hey geek.
Lorelynn

You’re delusional. No one cares about the Clinton Foundation getting $23m to combat AIDS and promote green technology because someone signed a contract with a state. It’s not like it goes into Bil’s pocket. I have no idea why anyone has a problem with that. There’s nothing wrong with the person getting the contract who did. If he gives the non-profit a chunk of change out of his profits, great. Even if Bill did help seal the deal, so what? It’s neither illegal of unethical for him to do so.

Why are you shilling for the big mining companies (who don’t like clinton because he cracked down on them)? Can’t you think of anything more worthwhile to do with your time than get outraged on behalf of big business because someone less big got a plum gig?

So weird what Clinton hate drives people to do. Politics makes strange bedfellows, that’s for sure.

Sorry, when someone has survived what the Clintons have survived, it gives them credibility. On the other hand, the people who accuse the Clintons of corruption have been proved wrong every single time. None of you have any credibility left on this issue.

TeakWoodKite

Perhaps some reading glasses funded by the micro lenders the Clinton foundation works with would clear things up…if not, the folks in Kenya that know how to read, but can’t for the lack of a decent pair will be able to.

Uzbekistan netting $32 million for the Clinton foundation

Do you having any information that Bill Clinton missapropriated these funds?

Mr.Murder

Yeah, Bill Clinton helping a nonprofit really compares to Poppa Bush at the Carlyle Group meetings.

TeakWoodKite

Poppa Bush at the Carlyle Group meetings.Who absorbed Bain capitol.

nene

Lorelynn: You’re right. What’s horrifying is that this is exactly the kind of deal that the Bush Justice dept turned into a crime, or rather, got a jury to believe was a crime, in order to put former Alabama governor Siegleman in prison.

Cee

Fall,

They don’t want any of this examined again.

In 1985, former Weather Underground members Susan Rosenberg (who also was implicated in the Nyack robbery) and Linda Evans were apprehended while transporting 740 pounds of explosives which they both acknowledged were slated for use in additional bombings. Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years in prison, Evans 40; President Bill Clinton pardoned both women in January 2001

Mike Howell

Cee –

It’s was his perogative as President to commute a sentence if he felt the individual had paid his or her debt to society. Neither Rosenberg’s nor Evans’s situation is like Ayers, who is unremorseful and has never paid his debt to society.

Not that Obama and his supporters CARE about terrorism and murder anyway.

Fall of the Hillites

The divorce remark is in response to if Bill were found fooling around again. The Ayers remark is clearly due to me being an idiot. But what if he were an Auschwitz camp guard? And an African-American? Ugh. Time for bed.
John Witherspoon

hes not defending him, hes clearly saying that this relationship is equivalent to being friends with the unibomber or david duke…

chris

he’s clearly engaged in a Red Herring. smelly fish

liberalbuffet

I used to come to this web site a few times a day to read whats going on, but dont come as often, as I find the Obama hating has gone beyond strange, to down right “nuts”. Showing the love for your favorite (Hillery) is great, but now i do believe theres something more here than just “love” for Hillery. Going after Obama at this rate and speed has become down right scary. Do you people have any idea what your making others think? Is Karl Rove working for you now? I mean, really, this is really gone to far. What the hell is going on people?

Star

liberalbuffet –

I hope others are thinking that they should help Hillary win in Texas and Ohio because she is by far the best candidate and Barack is a slimeball.

You haven’t been reading very closely or you would have learned that Rove is pitching for Barack.
chris

How much you’ve become like a Bushie…When you don’t like the criticisms you see, you resort to “Obama Hating”. You’ve done good to learn from Bush’s lackeys. Great job.

Now, would you like to have a retake before you continue to sip that Bush Koolaid?

Instead of letting people express their concerns or even distain, you simply dismiss them as “Obama Haters”. This has been the mantra of the GOP for 8 years, and you say Karl Rove is working for people here?
kenoshaMarge

Oh my goodness, people here don’t like, respect or want Obama to be the Democratic nominee so of course that ultimate bogeyman Karl Rove must be working here. And now you believe that there’s something going on here other than Hillary love. Oh goody, a conspiracy theory, those are such fun.

“What the hell is going on people?” It’s called freedom of speech. Something that isn’t allowed on most other blogs unless you’re attacking Hillary Clinton. Then vitriol is not only allowed, it’s required.

Simon

Oh goody, a conspiracy theory, those are such fun.

Well, powerful people do make plans in groups, you know, like a think tank?

And you use the word conspiracy, like Kos does, to discourage serious discussion of issues, backhanded ridicule.

Given the Sybil Edmonds information, the money ties to the middle east, and Bush’s actions on 9.11, do you think there might be a fire, there, or is too horrible to imagine?

Governments do bad things, these men play nuclear poker. The idea a group of Congressional men may have felt enough hubris, enough like an Obama supporter, kinda gassed in the head, immune to reality and reason, thinking they could pull off a 9.11, is really not that far fetched. Too bad we can’t have an open investigation, though I’m sure someone like Fitzgerald already has an opinion, investigating Scooter, Obama, Conrad Black, and the IL corruption. Connect the spider web, and all of that…

We’re not speaking a group of rocket scientists, here.

steve

I am not an Obama-maniac (he’s a politcian). But the Ayers thing is nothing. A guy who has been a regular citizen for years gave pretty snall campaign contribution to Obama’s state senate race? They were both on the board of a local do-goodnik organization. Obama said something nice about Ayers community work.

You are embaressing yourselves on this one.

Star

Steve –

Ayers is a terrorist/murderer.

You clearly have either no standards or no reading comprehension or both.

You should be ashamed.

chris

Star,
just forgive him. apologies for being morally inept are common among those who feel comfortable with what they’ve got.

BernieO

You keep missing the point. The REpublicans were able to tarnish Kerry about his true war heroism. They will be able to do a lot more damage with this since it is true. If the media sticks with Obama it may amount to nothing.

Mike Howell

BernieO –

The MSM knows that there’s a world of shit headed Barack Hussein Obama’s way just after a jury is picked the first few weeks of March.

They know they’ll have stories that they will have to report on in the can for months!

Taters

Good old insane Podhoretz.

ONE of the founding fathers of neoconservatism has privately urged President George W Bush to bomb Iran rather than allow it to acquire nuclear weapons.

Norman Podhoretz, an intellectual guru of the neoconservative movement who has joined Rudolph Giuliani’s 2008 presidential campaign as a senior foreign policy adviser, held an unpublicised meeting with Bush late last spring at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in New York.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2558296.ece

Why does neo con Robert Kagan, one of the co founders (Along with BillKristol) project For A New of Century support Obama?

Obama never once says that military force should be used only as a last resort.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/27/AR2007042702027.html

Kagan was one of the signatories of PNAC’s Letter To President Clinton on Iraq, (much of rationale based upon the expertise of Chalabi) recognize his sig in this wonderful crowd?

Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett

Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky

Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad

William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman

Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider Vin Weber

Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Yeah, terrorists and neo cons, what a combination.

Cee

Taters,

They are supporting John McCain now.

ChrisXP

Neo-Cons have supported McCain. The problem is the Traditionals, Paleos, and Religious Right aren’t supporting him. They’re attacking a mutual enemy on principle (NYT), but they’re so divided upon ideology, you’ll see them drift apart afterwards.

There’s no “big tent” anymore, it’s an long-simmering open rebellion, that took root in 2004, and only now reached the boiling point.

Sam

Susan or Larry, this is off topic, but I was wondering if one of you could explain the controversy over Obama’s remarks about weapons in Afghanistan over the debate. My impression was that ABC had confirmed Senator Obama’s story, but now it seems that Senator Warner doubts the story and wants facts to investigate it? What is the controversy? Thanks!
Patrick Henry

TATERS..

When they Say..”He’s the ONE”..have you thought about what that Means….and Why…??

Wonder what “COMBINATION” is coming next…

Frostback

Oprah delivering that line removed any lingering doubt in my mind that something was wrong.

I recently read an Obama supporter defending the copycatting and apparent lack of original thought by offering up this Obama scripted line: ‘The unlikely story that is America proves there is no false hope.’ A poster replied, ‘What does that mean?’

It sounds like recycled ‘anything can happen’ fluff to me. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I don’t operate on hope. And, “unlikely”?. Awkward. “..no false hope”? Yes, there IS false hope. You see it every day. Bush dashed a lot of hopes. HOPE? Is “and a prayer” the combination?

Btw, I couldn’t possibly be bothered to fact-check that quote. If that isn’t verbatim, or he didn’t say it at all, it does speak to how pixie-dusted some of his supporters are.

Frostback

ps: that antecdote involved a known supporter

lowdowndog

Everyone from MSM, and NeoCons, to lefty bloggers, promote and protect Obama. This article confirmed some of my suspicions:
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html
“Evidence of a covert campaign to undermine the presidential primaries is rife, so it’s curious that the Democratic Party and even some within the G.O.P. have ignored the actual elephant in the room this year. That would be Karl Rove. After rigging two previous presidential elections, this master of deceit would have us believe that he’s gone off to sit in a corner and write op-eds.” (Read more) “Bamboozling the American Electorate again”
ybnormal

Why is a NeoCon Defending Obama?

Well, here’s a thought. NeoCons are right wing authoritarians who advocate unquestioning support of narrow minded established authority.

People like the Weather Underground and Ayers are left wing authoritarians who advocate overthrow of established authority.

What they have in common is an attraction to authority. The only difference is the ‘right’ version is for establishment, and the ‘left’ version is for overthrow; until the ‘left’ version becomes who they replace that is.

While this makes them appear as opposites, it’s a thin line. As an analogy, thin enough for the Bolsheviks to become indistingushable from the Czars they replaced, as metaphorically told in Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’.

This doesn’t make Obama a terrorist or a neocon, but it might explain why a neocon would identify with the terrorist Obama’s associated with. Opposites can attract; especially when authority by force is what they have in common.

So here we have John Podhoretz giving lip service to the evil of Ayers; and then somewhat illogically concluding, it’s really not as bad as it looks, in terms of his Obama association.

Sounds to me like Podhoretz might have a hidden closet respect for Ayers. Makes me wonder if the feeling is mutual.
Fred C. Dobbs

Neocons are defending Obama because he’ll be, if the Nominee, much easier to defeat. And, if he SHOULD win, they’ll have his balls in their pockets by dint of the Big Boy money behind him.

Just that simple.

ybnormal

I’m not convinced of this. Republicans who read current polls aren’t likely to think Obama is easier to beat. And if Republicans thought Obama will be easier to beat in the future, why would they risk making it harder by building him up now?

It would be easier for Republicans to say nothing at all about Obama now, and save the dirt for later. But they’re not doing that either. McCain said, “…an eloquent but empty call for change that promises no more than a holiday from history.”

Lately it looks like the Republican support for Obama is at least as much about Hillary hate as it is about Obama support. For those Republicans who really hate Clinton that much, an open primary vote for Obama is a hedge-bet guarantee against Clinton.

ChrisXP

ybnormal wrote:
I’m not convinced of this. Republicans who read current polls aren’t likely to think Obama is easier to beat. And if Republicans thought Obama will be easier to beat in the future, why would they risk making it harder by building him up now?
————————————————

It’s been a tactic since last year…

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1680192,00.html

Probably one of the worst election scams in 50 years — and the Obama nuts are clueless about it. Bad for Dems, as this tactic will cost them the election. Even sadder, as it’ll be the Obama nuts’ fault for believing the votes = victory, and destroying the one candidate that could’ve won.

Cee

Fred,

They are afraid he will become president and they need to make nice.

Samantha

Fred C. Dobbs –

Sad but true.

“Barack Obama – 10 of 10 Neocons prefer him”

“Barack Obama – the choice of Neocons everywhere”

“Barack Obama – the best candidate money can buy”
Mr.Murder

The treatment he’ll get once Hillary is out is starting to surface.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080223/ap_on_el_pr/obama_attack_fodder_1;_ylt=AgQrxsKJBYfAyAowx2Il0E1h24cA

IMO this will not affect Democratic voters. It will affect the flyover votes he’s relied upon in red and purple caucus territory.
SirScud

INCOMING>>>>>
It will certainly be interesting to check in to this silly faux progressive site after Obama finishes off his Conservative “feminist” opponent. You folks put the “silly” in “silly season”! William Ayers is comparable to a Nazi prison guard? Sounds Rovian to me!
I wonder, have any of Larry’s Lemmings bothered to check out the Library of Congress website and compared the two candidates legislative records? Would it surprise any of you little darlings to know that Obama has not only authored and co-sponsored more Progressive legislation, he has gotten more of it passed; and he has been in the Senate half the time? How many of you little darlings realize that you are being led around by the nose by a Conservative ideologue that specializes in creating propaganda? Follow the smell!

Kathy

He has only had two bills passed.
Taters

Yes, conservatives love Clinton. Both of ‘em.
Neo cons heart Clinton ever since he denied their pet Chalabi.
As Kagan stated, Obama is not hung up on the quaint notion that force should be used as a last resort.

If Obama is simply running a stealth campaign and actually plans on governing considerably differently from his current stated positions, then he is being disengenious.

And despite your enlightened offerings to us mere mortals from your exalted position at Mt. Olympus, you may do well to follow the stench.

While Obama’s dealings with Rezko may prove legal, his dealings with a slumlord who let Obama’s own constituents suffer w/o heat in a brutal Chicago winter show him unfit. He either was clueless or he didn’t care, which is it?

TeakWoodKite

Both Taters…This reflected as well in not attending the gig in NO. with Travis Smiley
What struck me is that Travis had to playing phone hockey with Obama, and given a chance to interact with his peers (on an issue he claims near and dear) and perhaps mend a few fences (CYA)
he blows them off like back in the 313.

Reckless behavior…Saying “I have to straighten Travis out…” Something like having Travis bow down. SO John Barley Corn of him.

Mike Howell

SirScud –

The smell is you talking out of your ass again.

lowdowndog

Karl Rove is stealing the election for Obama. Just follow the smell: http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html
Sometime-CIA-Defender

It is curious that Obama criticized the 60s movements, yet befriends someone who got a $1,500 fine for being part of one.

Patrick Henry

Most of the People who lived or died the 60 and 70s ..either from combat or Drug OD’S..had children who moved on to the Ninetys..and now the New century..We are that generation…we see the similaritys..the Political manipulations.. are re ~reminded of Nixon..and Kissinger..and how close we were to moving in the right Direction with the Policys of the Clinton Administration..that really benefited the American people..by CONTRAST..

The same emotions that Raged in the 60′s are still out there..The same emotions that protested the War..that challenged the Government…That Burned down Watts..that Cause Wide Spread racism and bitterness are still out there..they can still be manipulated and triggered like they were in the 60′s..and since Barack Obama has associated with some of the Reactionarys of the..60′s..down to the Present time..We have a Right to try to determine
how much of a Closet Reactionary Barack Hussein Obama really is himself..thats Fair..

Bush and Cheney came out of the CLOSET..after they were elected..look what we got..Grapes of Wrath..

Don’t want to do that..?? Don’t want to Vett..??rather yell for Barrabas..because the MOB is..so “Barrabas” Must “BE THE ONE”.???
.Mob Rule..NO BRAIN..

For the rest of Us.. Its Just plain a No Brainer ..and I always wanted to know who was covering my Back and who I could TRUST..

Patrick Henry

Alot of People Trusted Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanson too..Kim Philby… comes to mind.. No Body was looking hard enough..Treason..Couldn’t be..we KNOW them..Trust Them..They wouldn’t sell out..Worst BREACHS in American History..

.On the other hand..some good FBI Field agents were checking out some terrorists taking flying lessons..Thier Instincts told them there should be More Investigations..asomething wasn’t right..Guess What…That didn’t happen..You know..Politics..People at the top afraid of “PROFILING.. ” People afraid of asking Questions..

Tell That to the 9/11 Victims..Tell them the Bush administration asked..”Who Could have Anticipated”..AFTER Reading a NIE..Stating Bin Laden DETERMINED to Attack inside the United States..That from a president and National Security advisor (Condi) who knew Bin Laden and Al Quaeda were blowing up American Targets all over the World..

So what happened…Eight years of the SMIRKY~JERKY SHOW..

Why..??

Well..as a German Friend Once Said..”Sometimes
I Think the Americans are the Most NAIVE People in the World..”

After electing BUSH Twice…Cheney and All..and wanting Change so Much NOW after they came out of their Comas.. That ANYONE could look like the “CHOSEN ONE”..and we are all supposed to be Naive enough again to Say…”SI..SI…He IS the Chosen One..” He Will Deliver Us..I TRUST him..”

Yes Naive People..Beware of being SHEEPLE..

And more Wolfs in Shepherd Clothing..

Ask Little Red Riding Hood about Wolfs in Disguise..Ask the CIA and FBI..

Ask Larry..if you really want the TRUTH..Love him or Hate Him..He is NOT NAIVE..I Consider him a GOOD SHEPHERD..

reggie

Realationship with a known terrorist?! By my math Obama was all of 8 or 10 years old and living in Hawaii during the heyday of the Weather Underground.

So Obama meet this guy (now a college professor) when they were both on a charitable community board in Hyde Park. Later the guy gave him — wait for it — ($200) two hundred dollars for his first STATE senate campaign. That’s Obama’s Willie Horton?! Puh-lease.
He’d better be careful not to take any money from Jane Fonda, lest he be accused of sympathizing with the VietCong! He’d better not be seen cavorting with surviving members of the Chicago Seven. Hanging out with the Seattle Seven would be okay — maybe he can hang out with “The Dude“. Because oh my, potential president’s can’t ever be seen or meet with ex-hippies, and 60s radicals — lest the Republicans make it an issue.

When will you baby-boomers stop fighting these silly battles from the 60s — a whole generation that doesn’t remember Woodstock, and has too look up the these 60s radical groups on wikipedia: JUST DOESN’T CARE!!!

Mike Howell

reggie –

As an attorney, Barack Hussein Obama should be aware that William Ayers is a murderer and unremorseful terrorist. Additionally, their bios would have been listed for the Board they shared.

You clearly don’t care and as someone who doesn’t care you repreesnt the typical Obama supporter.

I CARE; therefore, I represent the typical Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter.

SirScud

“MH” There was a Republican Congressman on Bill Maher’s program this week that tried to slip an ad hominem slur regarding Obama’s middle name into the discussion, and Maher immediately cut him off, and correctly so.
I submit, that it is you sir, who are infected with the oral-anal syndrome typical of most shallow conservative zealot hypocrites, who claim the moral and ethical high ground, but are incapable of walking the walk.
You claim that someone “should be aware” of that which you claim to be; allegedly, simply because you make the claim. Now isn’t that special? Were you the captain of your debate team?
See ya at the convention in Denver, I’ll introduce you to Bill Ayers, and you can tell him to his face like a man, instead of spewing your vitriolic slander behind his back. Just come to the Illinois delegation, and ask for “Skud.”

ChrisXP

If Hillary is addressed as Hillary Rodham Clinton, there’s no sin in calling Obama, Barack Hussein Obama.

Don’t tell me, Obama is not only ashamed of his White heritage, even his name??????

Frostback

I think it’s inflammatory, at best.

Rodham is not Hillary’s middle name, and I’m pretty certain she said last year she’d prefer it dropped.

Can’t see how 1st and last names are insufficent when identifying a candidate.

Mike Howell

Comment by SirScud –

Why are you so touchy about Barack Hussein Obama’s name?

Bill Maher’s an ass. I’m not surprised that you look to him for guidance.

The only time I’d want to see Ayers is when he’s in prison where he belongs. I’m not surpirsed that Ayers is a friend of yours. It’s good to know that both you and Ayers are such active Obama supporters. Murderers, cop killers and building bombers.

Did Barack Hussein Obama ever meet a terrorist he didn’t endorse?
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