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]]> By: JozefAL http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152115 JozefAL Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:08:08 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152115 I don't really believe there's a large Muslim population in Eastern Europe as a whole. The majority live in the southern half (the Balkan states), and I'd be willing to believe that the long-standing ethnic troubles in the area are more likely to cause radicalization than any current economic conditions. Do you remember the Bosnian conflict? Millions of Bosnian Muslim men were killed during the war through both direct conflict and being rounded up and put into "camps", while Bosnian Muslim women were routinely raped by ethnic Serbian fighters (who were well aware of the double psychological whammy of doing so, not merely the regular trauma induced by rape but rather the CULTURAL impact--Muslims aren't alone in treating rape victims as "undesirable"). Or maybe Kosovo rings some bells? A region which for more than 500 years has had a Muslim majority population found itself under assault by a Serbian government attempting to reprise its Bosnian ethnic cleansing program, all in the name of "preserving Serbian national history" (it only became a full part of Serbia at the end of the 12th Century; the Serbs actually lost a battle in the late 14th Century in Kosovo as the "Great Serbian Kingdom" was in the midst of a very rapid decline and was eventually conquered by the Ottoman Empire by the middle of the 15th Century; Serbia regained its independence in 1878 but the Kosovo area was only "restored" to Serbia in 1913, after the Balkan Wars, and, of course, Kosovo became a part of Yugoslavia after WWI, and became an autonomous part of the Yugoslav Republic of Serbia during the years of the Communist federation). If anything, it's actually surprising that there hasn't been a massive radicalization of the Balkan region's Muslims as a result of the (almost exclusively) Serbian assault on them for the last 20 years. The main difference between the Muslims in Western Europe as opposed to Eastern Europe is that the Western European Muslims are almost exclusively immigrants (or the children and grandchildren of immigrants) while the Easter European Muslims are almost exclusively native-born (in some areas, going back centuries). Few of the Eastern Europeans claim the "persecuted minority" status since, for decades, ALL religions were equally persecuted by the State, and most of the region's Christian churches haven't been willing to persecute other religions (the Russian Orthodox and Serbian Orthodox Churches, notwithstanding). Also, there's the overall fact that most Eastern European citizens are used to periods of great shortages from the decades of Communist control, and the immediate years following the collapse of Communism as the economies of the area fell prey to truly greedy capitalists only interested in making money for themselves (governments were only too willing to overlook unimportant things like health and safety issues if they meant a company would be less eager to do business; also prostitution, among both women and young men exploded--the 1990s, in fact, saw a massive boom in the gay porn industry with literally thousands of titles being produced featuring young Eastern European men*, literally willing to do anything for a few dollars). *In fact, the main reason these guys were in such demand was they had that overall "American farmboy" image but without the seeming calculatedness that ran so rampant among American gays wanting to break in to the biz. I don’t really believe there’s a large Muslim population in Eastern Europe as a whole. The majority live in the southern half (the Balkan states), and I’d be willing to believe that the long-standing ethnic troubles in the area are more likely to cause radicalization than any current economic conditions.
Do you remember the Bosnian conflict? Millions of Bosnian Muslim men were killed during the war through both direct conflict and being rounded up and put into “camps”, while Bosnian Muslim women were routinely raped by ethnic Serbian fighters (who were well aware of the double psychological whammy of doing so, not merely the regular trauma induced by rape but rather the CULTURAL impact–Muslims aren’t alone in treating rape victims as “undesirable”).
Or maybe Kosovo rings some bells? A region which for more than 500 years has had a Muslim majority population found itself under assault by a Serbian government attempting to reprise its Bosnian ethnic cleansing program, all in the name of “preserving Serbian national history” (it only became a full part of Serbia at the end of the 12th Century; the Serbs actually lost a battle in the late 14th Century in Kosovo as the “Great Serbian Kingdom” was in the midst of a very rapid decline and was eventually conquered by the Ottoman Empire by the middle of the 15th Century; Serbia regained its independence in 1878 but the Kosovo area was only “restored” to Serbia in 1913, after the Balkan Wars, and, of course, Kosovo became a part of Yugoslavia after WWI, and became an autonomous part of the Yugoslav Republic of Serbia during the years of the Communist federation).
If anything, it’s actually surprising that there hasn’t been a massive radicalization of the Balkan region’s Muslims as a result of the (almost exclusively) Serbian assault on them for the last 20 years. The main difference between the Muslims in Western Europe as opposed to Eastern Europe is that the Western European Muslims are almost exclusively immigrants (or the children and grandchildren of immigrants) while the Easter European Muslims are almost exclusively native-born (in some areas, going back centuries). Few of the Eastern Europeans claim the “persecuted minority” status since, for decades, ALL religions were equally persecuted by the State, and most of the region’s Christian churches haven’t been willing to persecute other religions (the Russian Orthodox and Serbian Orthodox Churches, notwithstanding).
Also, there’s the overall fact that most Eastern European citizens are used to periods of great shortages from the decades of Communist control, and the immediate years following the collapse of Communism as the economies of the area fell prey to truly greedy capitalists only interested in making money for themselves (governments were only too willing to overlook unimportant things like health and safety issues if they meant a company would be less eager to do business; also prostitution, among both women and young men exploded–the 1990s, in fact, saw a massive boom in the gay porn industry with literally thousands of titles being produced featuring young Eastern European men*, literally willing to do anything for a few dollars).

*In fact, the main reason these guys were in such demand was they had that overall “American farmboy” image but without the seeming calculatedness that ran so rampant among American gays wanting to break in to the biz.

]]> By: LD http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152105 LD Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:55:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152105 If I had one person to interview I would want it to be you!! JK, in all seriousness if I had one person to interview I think it would this individual John Mauldin. Of all the people whom I have been tracking he strikes me as the most astute, relatively unknown, global, and accurate. If I had one person to interview I would want it to be you!!

JK, in all seriousness if I had one person to interview I think it would this individual John Mauldin. Of all the people whom I have been tracking he strikes me as the most astute, relatively unknown, global, and accurate.

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152064 TeakWoodKite Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:18:59 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152064 LD, The ripple effect of this global meltdown is on a pond of many reflections. I am curios how one can prevent feed back loops which I see, disturbingly, appearing with more frequency. I try and visualize it like one would break a rack on the pool table...All the balls scatter but will eventually come in contact with the O'ness of it all. Again thanks for your expertise and point of view, might I suggest a colloquy between you and Mr. Johnson regarding the ebb and flow of global economic forces on your radio program. (as LJ indicated his 'Phd' in Global Econ and your experience... Question; if there was one person you would want to interview who would that be? Certianly would be interesting to listen. LD, The ripple effect of this global meltdown is on a pond of many reflections. I am curios how one can prevent feed back loops which I see, disturbingly, appearing with more frequency.

I try and visualize it like one would break a rack on the pool table…All the balls scatter but will eventually come in contact with the O’ness of it all.

Again thanks for your expertise and point of view, might I suggest a colloquy between you and Mr. Johnson regarding the ebb and flow of global economic forces on your radio program. (as LJ indicated his ‘Phd’ in Global Econ and your experience…

Question; if there was one person you would want to interview who would that be?

Certianly would be interesting to listen.

]]> By: I'm a Linda too http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152035 I'm a Linda too Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:07:28 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152035 Slowly those walls are going back up. Gee, funny, (not), when things are difficult for them, it's everyone for themself. Slowly those walls are going back up. Gee, funny, (not), when things are difficult for them, it’s everyone for themself.

]]> By: LD http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152033 LD Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:57:03 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152033 Pat, Happy to help. Pat,

Happy to help.

]]> By: Pat Racimora http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152025 Pat Racimora Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:38:26 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152025 Thank you, Larry, for educating me (and the family) more about this matter. I was having trouble understanding the situation in Europe, but, as usual, you explain things so very well! Thank you, Larry, for educating me (and the family) more about this matter. I was having trouble understanding the situation in Europe, but, as usual, you explain things so very well!

]]> By: American Girl in Italy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152023 American Girl in Italy Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:29:33 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152023 Italy is having issues with Romania now, as part of the EU. A lot of sexual assaults are leading to violent attacks, and there is not much Italy can do, because the borders are open now. Italy is having issues with Romania now, as part of the EU. A lot of sexual assaults are leading to violent attacks, and there is not much Italy can do, because the borders are open now.

]]> By: tek http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152020 tek Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:23:29 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152020 HARP: Wait, I thought the O didn't believe in canceling things because of snow. Didn't he make fun of the D. C. officials for canceling school? HARP: Wait, I thought the O didn’t believe in canceling things because of snow. Didn’t he make fun of the D. C. officials for canceling school?

]]> By: American Girl in Italy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152019 American Girl in Italy Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:23:28 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152019 Probably, it’s something as mundane as the teleprompters wouldn’t work in the wet of the snow. HAHA Probably, it’s something as mundane as the teleprompters wouldn’t work in the wet of the snow.

HAHA

]]> By: tek http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152015 tek Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:19:48 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152015 Larry: good article. My first thought was that most of western Europe has never wanted to accept East European states into the European Union. It's a shame because those are the states that had to really struggle to get free of the old Soviet Union. They never wanted to be part of the communist bloc in the first place. I could understand that they didn't want countries like Turkey in the EU, because the culture is so different and human rights are a big issue that Turkey is not willing to address. Larry: good article. My first thought was that most of western Europe has never wanted to accept East European states into the European Union. It’s a shame because those are the states that had to really struggle to get free of the old Soviet Union. They never wanted to be part of the communist bloc in the first place. I could understand that they didn’t want countries like Turkey in the EU, because the culture is so different and human rights are a big issue that Turkey is not willing to address.

]]> By: Docelder http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152013 Docelder Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:13:15 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152013 Someday hopefully when we are past this... and people in the know are writing the tell-all books... stories like this will be funny. Probably, it's something as mundane as the teleprompters wouldn't work in the wet of the snow. But we will have to wait for the book I guess to really know. Were it that... this really was just the big "reality tv show" that it has turned into and not our reality. Someday hopefully when we are past this… and people in the know are writing the tell-all books… stories like this will be funny. Probably, it’s something as mundane as the teleprompters wouldn’t work in the wet of the snow. But we will have to wait for the book I guess to really know. Were it that… this really was just the big “reality tv show” that it has turned into and not our reality.

]]> By: jangles http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152008 jangles Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:06:43 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152008 I do like that British sense of humor. I guess Brown is really down and just about out. He does not seem to know that the O only pays attention to those he can use. I do like that British sense of humor. I guess Brown is really down and just about out. He does not seem to know that the O only pays attention to those he can use.

]]> By: Docelder http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1152004 Docelder Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:01:34 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1152004 What comes to mind to me is the question... How strong is the radical Islam element in Eastern Europe? Is there a chance that the collapse of these economies could lead to hyperinflation and resultant shortages of supplies and then civil unrest that could help drive these countries to radical Islam? Will the radicals be there whispering in their ears about how the "evil West" helped sink their economies? How Western influence maybe contributed to this snub of cash when it was needed most? Could this be the start of something much larger? Just thinking. What comes to mind to me is the question… How strong is the radical Islam element in Eastern Europe? Is there a chance that the collapse of these economies could lead to hyperinflation and resultant shortages of supplies and then civil unrest that could help drive these countries to radical Islam? Will the radicals be there whispering in their ears about how the “evil West” helped sink their economies? How Western influence maybe contributed to this snub of cash when it was needed most? Could this be the start of something much larger? Just thinking.

]]> By: HARP http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16040/the-weakest-link-is-weakening/#comment-1151995 HARP Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:43:25 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=16040#comment-1151995 Barack Obama cancels press conference with Gordon Brown "because of snow" No sooner had the Prime Minister's plane touched down at Andrews Air Force on Monday evening when word was passed to travelling Westminster correspondents that the press conference they'd been told to expect had been called off "because of snow". http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/03/03/barack_obama_cancels_press_conference_with_gordon_brown_because_of_snow Barack Obama cancels press conference with Gordon Brown “because of snow”

No sooner had the Prime Minister’s plane touched down at Andrews Air Force on Monday evening when word was passed to travelling Westminster correspondents that the press conference they’d been told to expect had been called off “because of snow”.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/03/03/barack_obama_cancels_press_conference_with_gordon_brown_because_of_snow

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