http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/14/hillary-clinton-defends-her-2002-iraq-war-vote-through-attack/#comment-424528

… and just to make things easy, I’ll contrast what Obama said back in 2002:

I know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors. … I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than the best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

What Hillary said back in 2002:

I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members. . . . It is clear that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. . . . If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise. [A] unilateral attack…cannot be ruled out. . . . This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make — any vote that may lead to war should be hard — but I cast it with conviction. . . . It is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation.

What has Hillary been hanging her reputation on? Experience, political savvy, Washington insider, knows the game. Yet she was apparently outsmarted by Dubbya, go figure.

Somehow that young inexperienced know-nothing Obama got it right all the way from the start. Must have been a blind fluke I guess.

No one voted to go to war in Iraq.

This totally annoys me… the implication being that the entire Congress can shrug, shake their heads and say, “No, no, nothing to do with us, someone else’s war, not our problem.”

It’s a major conservative talking point, and a completely fair one, Democrats simply will not take responsibility for their actions. All I hear are excuses and weasel words. Let me ask you, does the US have a government? Is Congress part of that government? Do the members of Congress make their will clear by voting?

How the hell can a war just come along and happen, all by itself, but no one had any idea, no one helped it happen, no one supported it?

Official Title of Legislation:
H J Res 114: To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.

Project Vote Smart’s Synopsis:
Vote to adopt a joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.

Highlights:
- Authorizes President to use United States Armed Forces against Iraq

I would say that when one state uses military force against another state, that is a war. Could we guess that Hillary never expected it would actually come to war? Did she somehow expect GWB to show diplomacy and restraint?

http://www.votesmart.org/speech_detail.php?sc_id=89583

Hillary’s speech:

Our nation stands at a crossroads. In front of us is the possibility of war with Iraq and placing our servicemen and women in harm’s way; to our left is an economy that continues to struggle and prevents Americans from fulfilling their dreams and promise; to our right is our war on terrorism and the growing realization that we have not done enough to support our firefighters, police officers, and emergency personnel;

So she had clear knowledge that war was coming, and clear knowledge that the economy was struggling and was unlikely to withstand the additional cost of a major military campaign.

Yet, she also supported a string of military funding bills — gotta support those boys at the front. I’ll also note a one-liner from another Hillary speech:

http://www.votesmart.org/speech_detail.php?sc_id=77726

You know last week, the President was asked about how long the war in Iraq would take and he responded correctly, ‘How ever long it takes.’

Seems like she fully supported GWB in his “stay the course” strategy for perpetual war (my emphasis in the above quote BTW).

There is no other logical conclusion that to say that Hillary supported the Iraq war. Beyond this, Hillary also voted to declare the IRG a
terrorist organisation, in preparation for war
in Iran.

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=15940

Expresses the sense of the Congress that the United States should officially designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran as a foreign terrorist organization and assign it to the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists.

Frankly the concept of trying to designate the armed forces of a major nation as a “terrorist organisation” is bloody minded and stupid. Hillary should certainly know better.

Right. Blame the Democratic party rather than Mark Penn and the rest of the Clinton team for RUNNING A LOUSY,NEGATIVE,LOSING CAMPAIGN.

This election may prove one of the worst election scams in memory, solely because anyone can vote in open primaries, then switch party vote in the GE.

Used to think this was the fairest model, but this method can get the weakest party candidate nominated by an invasion of the other party, and switch on the GE, to win. It’s dangerous.

They know they won’t beat his rhetoric, but they’ll play the over-confidence game (Gore 00′ election anyone?).

If the Dems want to win in 28 years, they need to back Hillary, or it’ll be 32 years before they’ll have a chance again.

Either fight to win, or again, fail. Independents and moderates can’t save Dems themselves.

This guy is not a Democrat…and today he disses the Black State of the Union event. What a fraud he is…

Florida has also been mentioned as a “key” state to a Dem victory. You can look at the primary numbers and pretend all you want that Obama did not campaign there – he actually did via his campaign ads – the point here is that it went big time for Hill.

The Obama presidency is a shell game the Repugs are playing. He will not win the GE. President McCain will give us 4 more years of war and middle class crap.

And if the annointed one gets the big one, I’ll actually go back to reading Huffington Post, DK and those other Hillary hating sites and laugh when they see reality hitting them in the face as they the reality that the big O is just a man.

Oh, and she got us into the war in Iraq too, you know. Gag.

Did she vote for it or not?

First, the MSM has done nothing but give Obama fluffjobs and beat up on Clinton.

Second, Obama supporters are about 18 on average, and they behave like stupid rude teenagers.

I long for the good old days when there was a Clinton in the White House.

Please get out the vote for Hillary Clinton in Texas and Ohio!

What’s think hair?