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ORIGINAL: Gee whiz. Some of the pundits are taking a harder look at the wunderkind of hope:

Kevin Drum, Washington Monthly blog, who confesses he voted for Obama in the primary but admits it’s “really a roll of the dice”:

“… [E]xperience” is such an amorphous quality [but] Obama partisans are missing the point here. Like it or not, most voters have a sort of vague operational view of experience that means something like “involvement in big league politics.” And on that score, Hillary gets 15 years: 8 years as an activist first lady and 7 years as U.S. senator. Obama, conversely, gets a total of 3 years as U.S. senator. It may seem unfair that his eight years in the Illinois legislature don’t count, but for most people they just don’t. Being a backbench state legislator just isn’t big league politics.

Seen through this lens, the problem with Obama isn’t that he’s less experienced than Hillary, but that he’s inexperienced, full stop. [L]ike it or not, John McCain will certainly use that as an argument in the general election campaign in a way he couldn’t against Hillary. Sure, he’s got 25 years to her 15, but that doesn’t matter. Beyond a certain point voters aren’t interested in who’s got more experience, and 15 years is well beyond that point. If McCain tried to paint Hillary as inexperienced, it would be a waste of breath. Nobody would buy it.

David Brooks, once thoroughly besotted, on today’s Meet The Press:

TIM RUSSERT (quoting Brooks’s NYT column): “Up until now The Chosen One’s [Obama's] speeches had seemed to them less like stretches of words and more like soul sensations that transcended time and space. But those in the grips of Obama Comedown Syndrome began to wonder if His stuff actually made sense. For example, His Hopeness tells rallies that we are the change we have been waiting for, but if we are the change that we have been waiting for then why have we been waiting since we’ve been here all along?”

MR. BROOKS: I was describing what I think is happening, and it’s happened to me to some extent. You go to the rallies, you, you faint, you feel, you weep at your phone because you’re watching the–his videos. [T]hen you actually begin to think about them a little more, and you, you experience a little bit of a letdown, and you start to think. [I'm amazed] Hillary Clinton has not launched these attacks a little better. How is this 47-year-old guy … going to change all these 70-something polarized committee chairmen on the Hill? [T]here’s been a lot of bipartisan things that have happened the last couple of years: the gang of 14 on judges, immigration, the FISA got–bill got 68 senators. He’s been involved in none of them. [TRUE! Ask John McCain how Obama knifed him on immigration.] So it’s fair to ask, and she should do a little of this asking, “How exactly are you going to bring this unity about?” …

BELOW, “A Rash of New Sites Throws Some Cold Water On the Hot Candidate”:

Washington Post: “Obama Fever Is Breaking On the Web / A Rash of New Sites Throws Some Cold Water On the Hot Candidate”:

… What goes up must come down. What’s popular becomes too popular. What’s seen as hip and hot and cool eventually gets mocked.

Even, yes, Barack Obama.

In recent days, sites have popped up indicating that the ongoing online Obamamania has hit a wall. What kind of wall? A snarky, ironic, this-Obama-thing-has-gotten-over-the-top wall. Obama’s smiling mug is mashed up on countless faces on SenatorObamas.com. He’s Sumobama. He’s Pharaohbama. He’s Navajobama, complete with a blue-and-white feathered headdress. The blog Is Barack Obama the Messiah? features a photo of the Illinois senator standing on a flight of stairs, Christlike, above an adoring crowd while a ray of light beams from above.

And on the aptly titled Web site BarackObamaIsYourNewBicycle.com, the candidate caters to all your needs: Barack Obama made your bed . . . Barack Obama folded your laundry . . . Barack Obama picked you up at the airport . . . Barack Obama remembered your birthday . . . Barack Obama is your new bicycle . . . READ AL.

There are many more where those came from (all over the Web). Is it too late? I “hope” not.

http://deleted readerOfTeaLeaves

Obama is clearly a gifted man, and his candidacy is doing much to reveal the depth of desire for better leadership.

But as a (minor level) veteran of the dot-com mania, I’ve seen people swoon before. If I live long enough, I’ll see them swoon again. A little swooning now and then is a good thing, but it’s not a stable, steady diet in finance, in business, in education, nor in politics.

Sexy’s nice, but I’m more interested in basic competence.
But if experience doesn’t matter, why do we pay people for their… ummmm… ‘experience’ when we need surgeries, or legal advice, or even if we simply want to enjoy a concert. Don’t know about the rest of you, but if I need a surgery, I’d prefer the services of an ‘experienced’ surgeon, as opposed to some really cute, nice guy who talks a good line.
Simon

So it’s fair to ask, and she should do a little of this asking, “How exactly are you going to bring this unity about?” …

Well, I think she has, no one has been listening, they’ve been too busy bashing Bill, the LEAST racist president ever, for non existent racism.

And Bill Clinton was the most brilliant American President since JFK.

Kathleen

Witnessed this big time in Charleston South Carolina (there working for Edwards before the primary). The race card was definitely being used in the Obama radio adds, many folks noticed this. Bill was right and the MSM hammered him because they are too chicken shit or too report honestly about this.

The MSM played another idiotic game of “Billy Bashing” when Clinton was willing to call the Obama campaign out.

Fred C. Dobbs

If today’s Trend/Next Big Thing didn’t fade, to be replaced by the Newest!, Hottest! Trendiest/Next Big Thing, we’d all be riding around in 1955 Chevy BelAir coupes, listening to Bill Haley and the Comets on AM radio, wearing duck’s butt hair cuts and carrying HulaHoops in the trunk.

Ed Cox and David Eisenhower would have each served two terms as President, with the office devolving onto Tricia and Julie, Marines would still occupy Beirut, and there would be COLORED and WHITE ONLY signs over the water fountains and on the restrooms.

Hopefully, Nader’s announcement this A.M. will draw off some of the Obligatory Contrarian Vote… those voters convince that the Earth is Flat, the Sun comes up in the North, etc., from the Obamamaniac Insurgency.

But them, Hope is not a part of any Plan!

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

You’re very clever, Fred. Thank you.

Fred C. Dobbs

You are too kind, my dear.

http://www.despair.com/consistency.html Smilin’ Jim

“Hopefully, Nader’s announcement this A.M. will draw off some of the Obligatory Contrarian Vote”

Enter the Liberals’ Harold Stassen: Five down, four to go.

Stassen, however, was not responsible for a body count.

He was by no means as much of an egoist either.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Ran across this link at Memeorandum.com, which tracks all the hot blog posts.

Now, I don’t care about his costume — it was a diplomatic effort, I’m guessing — but gawd damn he looks so lame (just like Michael Dukakis in that tank or John Kerry wind-surfing):
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-wore-muslim-gear-during-kenya-trip

Anybody think the GOP will make something of this? Sounds like their style, huh.

blueasthesky

They’ll use it as a visual in one of their attack ads, not directly saying anything about it. Kind of like Dukakis in the tank.

Simon

I was thinking Taliban, or perhaps Pakistani.

Aye!
chris

This is one of the main reasons I didn’t vote for Dukakis in 1988. I was 19 years old, and this looked contrived and fake because it was. You just can’t do things like this and win over voters.

Why I didn’t vote for Dukakis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Michael_Dukakis_in_tank.jpg

TeakWoodKite

OH FUUUdggge.

All due respect to the customs and dress of other places on this planet….Compare that to the photo of Hillary, Chelsea and Ms Bhutto, susanUnPC posted awhile back. Sorry , but this makes John Kerry windsurfing, look like a John Miur photo.

The question that Aqualung is asking with Locomotive Breath, from a purely politically domestic point of view is “What was he thinking?” I mean this is not the G-8 or anything.
Ok I’m back….I know, I know; it’s a “Men in Black” intel source. But Hey, has to be real…,it’s on page 36. Crikey!

http://www.collecting-tull.com/Albums/Lyrics/Aqualung.html

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

God, that is so true. I’ve never seen Hillary Clinton look so stunningly beautiful. I must get that photo out again .. and it was very touching, very poignant.

bob h

As per Cokie on Stephanopolous this Sunday morning, note again that Obama has a badly flawed coalition. He relies on young people, who typically get fired up early then have lost interest by the time you really need them. Similarly, he relies on Independents, who again have a propensity not to show up when you need them. His support among Roman Catholics and blue collar voters is still open to question, and these people could defect to gerontocratic John.

Kathleen

I thought Cokie shared a solid point here (just wish she would stop interrupting others so much).

Will the youth and the Independents show up in the fall?

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

I was shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Cokie Roberts as truthteller. It sounds like her interview with Billy Jean King really affected her deeply. Where is that interview? Would love to see it — sounds very painful.

kenoshaMarge

It must be a really cold day in hell because I actually agreed with the usually dimwitted Ms. Roberts about something. Whodathunkit?

norrismorris

Not to mention the Nader interview on Meet The Press. Many I know were surprised that Obama has a pro Palestine anti Israel mid east policy, and all of Carters advisors…failures and anti Israel hawks. Soros, Obama backer is outspoken anti Israel
proponent.

Obama has a terrible foreign policy group of advisors. All from failed Carter admin. and Zebgniew Brezinsky is to be principal policy advisor. No one could be worse.

No one is holding the foreign policy advisors and their mid east positions to scrutiny. The Jewish voters will be doing this.
myiq2xu

The nomination will not be decided until the convention in August. That’s about six months, or three new fads and two serious relationships away for Obama’s core supporters.

Now the kids will be free during the summer to volunteer and campaign for Him, but they will also be scattered and disorganized when school is out. They will also be busy working at summer jobs.

My prediction is by mid-July the kids will be saying “Obama? He’s sooo 15 minutes ago.”

Dave Dial

Nice editing SusanHoe. Make sure you take out anything that disproves your points while mixing up quotes to take things out of context.

What the Hell are you ‘ship of fools’ going to do when Obama wins the nomination on March 4th?

Sad…..and disgusting. That describes you, Larry and the rest of your demonizing brethren.

Kathleen

Can you make a point or criticism without insulting the person?

Dave Dial

Not here.

Here, the place where racism, xenophobia and scurrilous accusations are front page material, you are free to hurl whatever trash you feel like hurling.

Simon

Don’t forget to insult blacks, gays and wired effeminate boys.

That’s what’s most important in an Obama thread.

HTH.
Nellie

Dave – Kathleen already posted several times about the rampant racism that prevailed in South Carolina from OBAMA and she was there.

Are you functionally illiterate to the point you do not understand the meaning of words written in plain English?

myiq2xu

No, it’s rule #3 in the Obamaniac Handbook.

“Anyone who dares to criticize or even doubt Him must be personally attacked and insulted.”

otherlisa

Nice, Dave. You’re a fine example of the kind of “Unity” promoted by Obama supporters.

The misogyny in Obama’s campaign and among his supporters was one of the main factors that drove me to HRC’s camp after Edwards dropped out.

Thanks for continuing to validate my choice.

Dave Dial

You’re welcome.

And anyone that makes this site their homebase and calls out others for being sexist, is just laughable.

I would usually agree with you on my use of language, but here……anyone that supports Susan, Larry or any other of the racist and xenophobic trash that is pumped out here should not have the nerve to call others out on the terms they use.

Why not compare Obama to Nazis and Bush? That’s ok. But a ‘sexist’ term validates your decision? LOL!

That’s just rich…..Marc Rich.

norrismorris

Listen-

Talking about racism…..George Soros, Zbig Brezinsky, Susan Rice, Samantha P., and entire Carter foreign policy advisors are PRO Palestine -anti Israel.

Just look at Carter’s record and this bunch, and talk about racism becomes obvious. Soros is a self hating Jew who wants to see Israel disappear…he talks incessantly about breaking up Israel Lobby and confuses Israels rights with current weak right wing leadership encouraged by Bush.

Obama should declare his policies on Israel or he will lose the Jewish vote without a doubt.

Nader exposed his Pro Palestinian policies on Russert today. There will be more of this as Obama is sure to lose Jewish votes and other pro Israel voters.

He is a cultist with narcissism to spare, and has hidden his corrupt sewer politics of chicago machine and ties to Rezko, Allison Davis his boss, and the whole corrupt deal will explode Mar 3 when Rezko trial begins.

His approach to campaign running is surgical and excellent…but he is devious about his ties to Rev Wright, a Farrakhan lover, and Jew hater. Obama is a dangerous man run by dangerous people. His sense of entitlement will not last.

Kathleen

The folks that you mentioned are
Pro Palestine…Pro Israel…Pro Peace!
Dave Dial

Are you kidding? Obama has been, and always will be, a strong supporter of Israel.

There are no questions about that. He already has ‘decalred his policies’ concernaing Israel.

On Israel
Ensure a Strong U.S.-Israel Partnership: Barack Obama strongly supports the U.S.-Israel relationship, believes that our first and incontrovertible commitment in the Middle East must be to the security of Israel, America’s strongest ally in the Middle East. Obama supports this closeness, stating that that the United States would never distance itself from Israel.
Support Israel’s Right to Self Defense: During the July 2006 Lebanon war, Barack Obama stood up strongly for Israel’s right to defend itself from Hezbollah raids and rocket attacks, cosponsoring a Senate resolution against Iran and Syria’s involvement in the war, and insisting that Israel should not be pressured into a ceasefire that did not deal with the threat of Hezbollah missiles. He believes strongly in Israel’s right to protect its citizens.
Support Foreign Assistance to Israel: Barack Obama has consistently supported foreign assistance to Israel. He defends and supports the annual foreign aid package that involves both military and economic assistance to Israel and has advocated increased foreign aid budgets to ensure that these funding priorities are met. He has called for continuing U.S. cooperation with Israel in the development of missile defense systems.

And many Jewish leaders sent out a letter of support for Senator Obama:

Jewish Support Letter for Barack Obama
As Jewish Americans, we are asking you to join us in an effort to make for ourselves, our children and grandchildren a better America and a safer world for years to come. We strongly believe that Barack Obama is the Democrat who will lead us to victory in November and heal our great, yet divided, Nation. We are voting for a candidate, not against one.

It continues here> http://maryland-politics.blogspot.com/2008/02/jewish-support-letter-for-barack-obama.html

And is signed by many Jewish leaders.

You’ve been reading this site and listening to Rush/Fox too long.

Mike Howell

Dave Dial –

That isn’t what he said in his crappy book. In his book he said that he expressed a preference for the Nation of Islam.

Dave Dial

You’re a liar.

Period.

Mike Howell

Dave Dial –

I don’t encourage anyone to read his books, much less buy them, but that doesn’t change the fact that in ‘The Audacity Of Hope, your hero said:

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

From Dreams of My Father, ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”.

[ADMIN NOTE BY SUSANUNPC: I can’t imagine a black in the U.S. not feeling those sentiments expressed in his second statement…

As for the first, i need to see the context. Mike, we really need to cut out the emphasis on the Muslim thing…. we are NOT anti-Muslim here, and don’t wish comments here to convey that to anyone. Not here.]

Mike Howell

SusanUNPC –

Let me get this straight:

1. You don’t want us to use a certain Presidential candidate’s name because you think that’s being racist.

2. You haven’t bothered to read “his” autobiographies, but you’re editing my comments that use quotes from them.

And you bitch about about Kos?!

Simon

And anyone that makes this site their homebase and calls out others for being sexist, is just laughable.

But Dave, Obama’s terrorist ties, what about that, it’s not going away, no matter how much you foam.

He’ll go to prison if he’s convicted, Dave, and your foam won’t stop the truth.

Pay attention to the real issue, or you will leave your flank unguarded.

Again.
TeakWoodKite

Barak? Is that you?
otherlisa

Excuse me? Please search my comments and tell me when I have EVER made a sexist, racist or xenophobic statement.

As for Susan, I have known her for eight years. I would like you to show me a racist or xenophobic statement made by her as well. And you called her a whore.

That’s disgusting.

There are fringe supporters of every candidate who say unfortunate things. But the Obama phenomena is like nothing I’ve ever experienced in many years of political involvement. I have never seen as much intolerance of dissent and vitriol thrown around by so many supporters of a Democratic candidate.

So, okay. Reminds me of Bush supporters.
chris

“I would usually agree with you on my use of language, but”

But you have an arbitrary moral centre that can be shifted at will. That is exactly the point my dear foolish friend. It really takes a hypocrite to point out others for demonizing and then engage in it yourself.

The problem is, I don’t shift my agreement based on how vile I find someone. If I agree with,…lets say, Free Republic, which would shock the shit out of me because I haven’t ever so far, I wouldn’t suddenly shift my view because I was in line with them.
I’d examine my view again, but not arbitrarily shift it out of some stupid rebellious trip.

Find your moral centre and then maybe, just maybe you can dictate my path to me, oh wise ass sage.

Cee

David,

I’m an Obama supporter and you hurtself and him when you talk to people the way you just did.

You don’t get to call Susan a hoe and be respected!

Dave Dial

Eh…

What can I say? I know it’s not the right way to respond, but sometimes it’s hard when you see the kind of trash that is posted here.

I’m sorry about the sexist remark, it wasn’t right.

Cee

but sometimes it’s hard when you see the kind of trash that is posted here.

Dave,

I realize it. I’ve been dealing with it for a few months here now.
Hang in there.

Simon

I realize it. I’ve been dealing with it for a few months here now.

I thought you were a troll, Cee.

You mean you REALLY think like that?

Wow.

Well, it certainly explains a lot.
Dave Dial

Well Cee, while I appreciate your determination, I think I am out of here.

This is is just too disturbing.

Take care

Simon

Dave Dial, an old fan of seven-up, wrote:

This is is just too disturbing.

Take care

Dave, don’t go, Dave, you add so much to the conversation, you bring such freshness, such instinct, such WISDOM, such dazzling intellectualism and insight.

See why “googlebomb” is not a threat?

“Googlebomb” is a pest, only a threat in as much as TPTB allow.

These people are idiots.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

You’re applauding this creep who called me a “hoe”? Wow.

kenoshaMarge

I think it’s called the “Obamatron Twostep”. That’s when the bad people, that would be those that don’t like or support Obama, say things that are just too too much to endure.
Then they get to hurl insults and call names because the bad people, that would be us in general and you in particular, have just pushed them, that would be Obamatrons, too far.

It was simpler back in the day. Then it was just two-faced or hypocrisy. Isn’t it nice we’re so much more sophisticated now? And don’t worry Susan honey, being called a “hoe” these days puts you in some pretty good company.
Cee

Susan,

I didn’t applaud him and you know it.
Don’t try to act like a victim again.

I agreed with him regarding what passes for information here.

http://takeaction.wordpress.com/ A.Citizen

But it was oh so typical of such as you. It’s fascinating that the Oborg feel so willing and able to use racist, sexist, elitist arguments and then go all ‘candy’ when you call ‘em on it.

Myself, I think you and the rest of the ‘believers’ are sick. Suffering from the mental illness we call ‘cultism’.

Keep your cheap apologies to yourself pal.

They stink of self-righteousness.

chris

Cee,
I’m glad you and I are back on a similar page, because I know you is really sincere overall. We really differ in our opinions about Obama right now, but you made the excellent point, so hat off to you.

I will try to keep a respectful disagreement with you about this as we move forward.

mimi

What profiths a Democratic Candidate who wins the nomination, yet loseth the election?
http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

I may be a demon, but you’re a fool. That’s worse. Notice that you haven’t got a SINGLE thing to say that’s rational in defense of he-who-you-worship and he-who-must-never-be-criticized?

Go demons! Go bitches! GO TINA FEY! (See SNL videos below for that reference + the PC hand-wringing of the DailyObamadroids.
http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

And since you think it’s funny to use an ugly sexist term against me, you’re out of here unless you shape up. “hoe”? You, sir, are a sexist pig. But that seems to go with the territory.

chris

Salute!

rjj

Ship of Fools. Perfect.
Nellie

Well Dave Dail,

If your chosen one, gets the nomintion, then for the first time in 44 years, I WILL NOT be voting for the nominee of either party.

That’s a factor that you adoring cultists have not factored in. Further, the Thugs will make mince meat out of him. You must have overlooked on of the letters sent to the judge in the Libby trial.

And I for one, will do NOTHING to help this fraud and parasite fight back.

Kathleen

Susan I heard the same tone this morning on Stephanapoulos and Russerts Sunday programs. (did not listen to Matthews this morning)

George will said that Americans are tiring of Obama’s “banal eloquence”. Will went over the top when he said “Americans are not in despair”. I’ve got news George Will you should get out more…check out the communities close to D.C. Come on into my neighborhood and visit some of the old coal mining towns in south eastern Ohio. Start with Glouster, Chauncey, Trimble. George Will needs to get out more.

Lots of questions from David Brooks and others about whether the Obamarama “enthusiasm will hold”

Also questions about how Obama will deliver on his promises…how will he work with entrenched Reps?

How about when George Will referred to the possibility of Clinton losing Texas and Ohio “The arithmetic is Hucka..bein”

Left you an overview of Hillary in Dayton at Obama launches

Simon

when he said “Americans are not in despair”. I’ve got news George Will you should get out more…check out the communities close to D.C. Come on into my neighborhood and visit some of the old coal mining towns in south eastern Ohio. Start with Glouster, Chauncey, Trimble. George Will needs to get out more.

Oh, look, a genuine issue regarding economic conditions hurting the middle class.

Now how did THAT sneak in, during a presidential election?

Don’t you know we should be speaking and examining the cultural elite, every second of every moment, political narcissism at it’s nadir?

How dare you bring substance into this discussion?

You must be one of those smart people…

Just kidding…, it was a nice read.

Real issues, real problem solving, HILLARY CLINTON.

When a candidate avoids speaking of problems, you know it’s some half wit political consultant (axlerod) behind the whole thing, and I mean half wit.
http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

DId u get a chance to do your report on seeing Hillary yesterday in Ohio? Have been looking for that all day in my Inbox. If you can.

You could write up George Will / I’ve hit another physical low today / not feelin’ perky. And Larry’s out of pocket, that stinker.
kenoshaMarge

“Americans are not in despair”.

Sayeth the Great Will.

But Americans with George Will’s money, lack of integrity and dismissal of any-one’s pain but his own, i.e. a dangling participle, is not in despair. Just the rest of the country without all the problems he never faces. Except dangling participles of course, we all suffer from that. Me in particular.

myiq2xu

All Hillary has to do to win is not quit. Obamania is a fad.

Neither candidate is going to finish the primaries with enough pledged delegates to win outright. This means that the superdelegates will decide who the nominee is.

They don’t vote until August. That’s two full seasons away. By then, Obama will have gone from “fad” to “fade.” He will be the political equivilent of the “Macarena” or the “Achy-Breaky Heart.”

Dave Dial

You’re delusuonal.

If Obama wins either Texas or Ohio, super delegates will flock to his campaign and it will be over.

Hillary has to win both of those States Big, just to stay in the game.

Kathleen

she will win Ohio

Cee

I don’t think she wins in Ohio. Bill made some promises that people haven’t forgotten.

They’ll hold it against her.

Simon

don’t think she wins in Ohio. Bill made some promises that people haven’t forgotten

Well, let’s see what happens next week.

I hope the stupid republicans don’t try to fix the election, you know it’s like Alzheimer’s with them, like something creeps in and erases their memories, they keep making the same mistakes, over and over.

I really hope they don’t pretend they can game the vote. Hasn’t really worked out for them, too well.
Kathleen

Only time will tell. The crowd I saw in Dayton yesterday told another story. I think she will sweep up a win.

The Change Maker

On Saturday Feb.23 I attended the Hillary rally at Wayne High School in Dayton Ohio with my mother who is 80. I arrived at the school at 10 a.m and the line was all ready several hundred people long (my mother had gotten their even earlier and had saved a spot, she is completely devoted to Hillary).

Hillary packed the house and once in side we heard that people kept coming and the line kept growing.I heard later that many thought close to 4000 showed up to get into an auditorium that held only 700 people.

The crowd was made up of no nonsense working class women, men and young Americans. These folks are the backbone of our nation, the salt of the earth crowd. The folks who try to work hard, pay their bills and taxes, serve in the military and have lost tens of thousands of jobs to U.S. companies going overseas. As I talked with many of the Hillary supporters they expressed enthusiasm for what many believe to be a historic moment for women and a critical moment for our country. I talked with GM workers, Teamsters, teachers, lots and lots of older women and men who felt that Hillary had worked hard for this opportunity and had the wisdom and experience to take on this important job. At one point Hillary said to the crowd to think about this election not so much as a “vote but that they had to hire the most qualified and tested person” for this job. At that point the crowd exploded into another chorus of “Hillary Hillary Hillary” I heard many folks say that they “trusted” and admired Hillary. I heard repeatedly that they “trusted” that she could clean up the health care mess that many find themselves in and that she understood deeply how to work in a bi-partisan way to get the job done. I heard many people use the word “trust” in regard to Hillary. Many also said that they liked the idea that our nation would get two highly qualified leaders for the price one.

Hillary spoke about Health care, equity in education, taking care of our Vets, getting out of Iraq, smart trade, creating jobs, freezing mortgage rates etc etc. She had strong words for the “shameless” tactics being used by the Obama campaign in spreading “misleading and discredited” information on her stance on health care and Nafta. She referred to herself as the “change maker” The crowd’s calls for “Hillary Hillary, Hillary” were thunderous and rocked the gym.

The enthusiasm was infectious especially coming from women older than me ( 55) who really wanted to witness a highly qualified and experienced public servant become President of the U.S. Many older women began to cry when she was speaking, this was very moving.

Even after all of this I continue to be on the fence about Hillary. Especially when Hillary referred to the “war in Afghanistan” and how “no one gets away with attacking the U.S.” Come on Hillary most people know that 15 of the individuals who rammed U.S. planes into the world trade centers were from Saudi Arabia. We certainly did not invade Saudi Arabia. This statement had me reflecting on my many conversations with my friend from Afghanistan who has shared that many Afghani’s feel that their country is being occupied by the U.S. and that we have failed miserably there. (increase in poppy production and the power of the Taliban on the rise) It made me feel once again that Hillary underestimates the intellect of the working class. I really think that Obama’s message of diplomacy and using new strategies internationally resonate with all sorts of folks who are tired of this aggressive “we’re number one” strategy.

Anyway …I do think Hillary is going to sweep Ohio up. I continue to hear many of my 50 something friends say that they are committed to Hillary.

Another observation…I was sitting in a front row and watched the national press corp. From what I witnessed I did not see them interview or interact with one local Dayton citizens. Tired of hearing what they think…INTERVIEW THE LOCALS!

A Tip…Hillary should walk over to the older folks first after her speeches. Those who are so anxious to meet her and may not be around for the next election. They were sitting right in front of Hillary along with many handicapped people.

Simon

This was a nice post, Kathleen, thank you.
TeakWoodKite

Sure wish ya had a video camera, and could post it. I find it useful to watch along side the MSM…C-Span effect, Fist I saw it live, then I saw it spun.
Tip o’ the hat, Kathleen.

myiq2xu

Delusional?

When do the superdelegates vote? August, at the convention.

They can flock to him now, but will they stay with him?

By the end of July Obamaniacs across the country will be saying “What was I thinking?”
chris

Dave, its delusional. (misspellingz dont discount views, just saying)

She does not have to win big to stay in the game, she just has to stay in the game.

If she withdraws, she is out of the game, its that easy. There is still more to come. I know you just can’t stand it, but we’re still here, and Obama does not have the delegates to win…he just has more.

Its like asking a football team with 2 minutes left and a 9 point spread to quit because they are behind. Tough shit, because all it takes is a field goal and touchdown to win.

It is also bad sportsmanship to run into the locker room and declare victory when the clock is still ticking.

Those assholes who think Clinton should quit before I get a chance to vote on March 4th have no respect for my voting rights. The Democratic Party has already made this mistake by denying me a chance to vote for Kucinich or Edwards. And now the gloating ones are trying to pull that on a seasoned woman who knows, it ain’t over.

Nice try.

I’m sorry, who is delusional?

Nellie

myiq2xu

I loved this line:

By then, Obama will have gone from “fad” to “fade.” He will be the political equivilent of the “Macarena” or the “Achy-Breaky Heart.”

Thanks for making me smile.

scoutt

Dave,
Oh, I get the unity thing now. You’re “unified” until someone
says something you don’t like. Got it.
So how is this going to work with the Republicans? And
what is Mr. Unity going to do to get the republicans to support
liberal (oh, i forgot – Obama isn’t a liberal) policies?
It’s all bullsh*t. The guy is a fraud and a huckster.
http://www.despair.com/bitterness.html Smilin’ Jim

What this really means is that Brooks thinks that it is too late for the Democrats to change their minds. The lemming instinct is fully operational and Obama has a lock on the nomination. The hook is set for the suckers.

Otherwise why break ranks with the rest of the Republicans who are praising Obama as the next Jesus

Simon

Otherwise why break ranks with the rest of the Republicans who are praising Obama as the next Jesus

Thank you.

This was the best endorsement of Hillary, ever.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

There’s a Christians for Obama at the Texas Republican Web site…. see my post below about the Republicans conspiring in Texas to vote for Obama.

http://www.despair.com/consistency.html Smilin’ Jim

“conspiring in Texas to vote for Obama.”

and backatcha

“Treason doth never prosper: What’s the reason?
Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”

A note of explanation for the MTV Generation: It isn’t conspiracy if it is good politics. (Ie. if it works.)

kenoshaMarge

I am so waaaay before the MTV Generation but I liked your breakdown anyway.

yttik

Something I’m starting to hear that really has me worried is “Democrats for McCain”. As people hear McCain portrayed more and more as a “liberal” by people like Coulter,Rush,etc the more they start to like him. Hey, he critisized the war, condemned Guantanamo, and doesn’t advocate torture (except when he’s voting for it.) Over and over again this country flocks to who they believe will make them feel safe.

I honestly don’t believe we can win the general election with Obama.

It’sNotMe

The Mr. Hope campaign has also invited Republicans to “Become a Democrat for a Day (just to vote in our OPEN Caucuses/Primaries) and then they can go back to being Republicans during the GE. What that tells me is…there’s no way he will win the GE.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

But! he won Idaho and North Dakota! Those are sure to go Democratic in November.

TeakWoodKite

Wherein he said Idahoans could keep their guns, (Beautiful state, great ppl) while in another state several days later, some nutjob shot up a mall.
Speaking of gun control.

kenoshaMarge

Hell Rightwing Radio and websites in Wisconsin are bragging about what they did. It’s no secret it’s just that media doesn’t talk about it, Obamatrons don’t believe it and we are being sucker-punched again.

It’sNotMe

Finally, people are coming to their senses. They had to come down from their Mr. Hope High sooner or later. I’m THRILLED that it’s starting sooner rather than after he’s the nominee. I always figured the MSM was building him up, just to tear him down….kinda like what they did to Howard Dean in 2004. Dr. Dean was the MSM’s darling until “The Scream and then they had their chance to take him down and did. Now it’s Mr. Hope’s turn…..THANKFULLY. That man has no business being the President when we have Hillary as a choice instead.
show me

Smiling Jim I hear you! You are exactly right! No way Obama can beat McCain in the red states or the purple states. The Dems are throwing away Florida and Michigan.It would be hard for Hillary but the country was so ready for a Democrat and she can stand up to the Republicans. She could run rings around McCain in a debate on healthcare and the economy and compare well as commander and chief. Obama’s message is so full of air it will not last until fall. Further more I am afraid Obama’s defeat will set race relations way back not to mention the Supreme Court and the entire corruption of the Justice Department and every other government agency. Hillary could get these things fixed I am afraid Obama won’t get the chance.

Fred C. Dobbs

>>> Obama’s message is so full of air it will not last until fall.

Dead meat by the week of 15 April. Someone will come up with a love child, or someone who snorted nose candy with him, or the usual trash.

Betcha bippy K. Rove is sitting on something juicy, even as we speak, banked against the General Election.

I’m not certain he can control his wife’s mouth, which is anathema to most men and a lot of women, even in this day and age. Should it be that way?

No. But, it often is.

http://www.despair.com/consistency.html Smilin’ Jim

“Betcha bippy K. Rove is sitting on something juicy, even as we speak, banked against the General Election.”

Christ, Karl Rove is the Liberals’ Keyser Soce. It is sooooo much simpler.

Let us say that Fitzgerald is transferred in early September and Bush’s AG puts a compliant operative in place of dismantling the Chicago Machine………

Connect the dots.

September……….October……..Suprise

kenoshaMarge

This is why I find it so amusing when Obama supporters are indignantly saying that Hillary supporters are feeding “talking points” to the Republicans when they criticize Obama.

As if the Republicans and Rove need any help from Democrats/Liberals. They are sooooo much better at through monkey poo than we are.
TeakWoodKite

What do you think Fitzgerald might do / how would he react if he was booted in the commision of a felony and obstruction justice?

What if he was sacked? I would dearly love to see him go public, but devastated to see him go. yikes!

http://www.despair.com/los24x30prin.html Smilin’ Jim

“What do you think Fitzgerald might do / how would he react if”

Well I’d demand that Tom Hanks play my part in the made-for-TV movie.

Other than that, we’d get to see the stuff the Boyo is made of.

Sam

Based on what I am getting from Ohio, I am not sure that Hillary will sweep (or that she won’t, I have no indication of how well she is doing there). But, I will say that many of the Democrats in Ohio who support Hillary are VERY weary of Obama, and several said they don’t trust him, they don’t understand how he got this far, and some people said they were for him but lately they have started to notice an arrogance they don’t like. Several of these people made it clear that if it isn’t Hillary in the general, they will vote for McCain.

This does not surprise me because it is something my parents, who are democratic leaning independents from the midwest, have said all along. They trust Hillary when it comes to national security, they simply do not trust Obama. They don’t feel he knows anything about the military and have become more and more convinced of this at each debate (for example, him indicating he would bomb Pakistan based on actionable intelligence which resulted in his effigy being burned over there) and having someone who is ready to lead our military given that we are in a war that we need out of is more important than anything else…with McCain, while they worry that he will keep us there longer than necessary, they also believe that he has the absolute best interests of our country and our troops at heart and that provides comfort to them. I am not sure if they are right or wrong, but this sentiment surely exists.
rjj

Do lemmings have tiny little parachutes?

TeakWoodKite

Have you ever had to go dumbster diving?

Great visual rjj. White cliffs o’ Dover eh?

rjj

Have you ever had to go dumbster diving?

Not since I tossed my TeeVee.

LuigiDaMan

Hillary will take Ohio by a large margin. I live here. I know the terrain. I understand these people. Somebody better tell the Main Stream Media to start planning their post-Ohio primary meme ’cause when she storms Ohio, they are gonna have a lot of ‘splainin’ to do!

Fred C. Dobbs

The Addled Puppet Reagan pooped all over Ohio from 1981-1989. NAFTA may have hurt it, but it had already been bloodied by Asian steel imports and three Recessions.

I have a memory of steelworkers on TV, rallying in front of a plant, under a banner that said: “Elect a Union President President.” (How very Kansan).

I also have a clear memory of a shuttered, rusting steel mill/plant being dynamited in 1984 or so in Ohio. I had hoped for years that it was the SAME steel plant, so that some hardhats would understand that a man who carries his lunch to work in a metal pail and votes for a Republican – ANY Republican – cuts off his nose to spite his face.

So, how is the Job scene in Youngstown these days?

Got lots of jobs there, do we?

Is there a chance that these people just may have had an Epiphany and are leery of a glib hustler with a smooth line of shit who has never walked up to the hearth, or driven a bulldozer, or coupled boxcars together, or pounded nails in the snow?

Probably not. The capacity for the Electorate to vote against its own interests has more lives than Freddie Kruger.

Nancy

hey susan, is there a way for me to contact you directly, in private i mean?
helen kenney

just a question, what will the repubicans do with the Louis Farakin endorsement of Obama? What kind of company does he keep? If they think Senator Clinton is hard on him, what a shock it will be for his followers when the Repubs start to attack him