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		<title>By: agnas rosman</title>
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		<dc:creator>agnas rosman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omg. I just realized Mandi is playing a glorified game of risk. To have an action oriented thought like that you must be a dude. 

I envy your ability not care that you sound like racist jackass. Speak your mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg. I just realized Mandi is playing a glorified game of risk. To have an action oriented thought like that you must be a dude. </p>
<p>I envy your ability not care that you sound like racist jackass. Speak your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: agnas rosman</title>
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		<dc:creator>agnas rosman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly. Society should take a concise look at Oaksterdam&#039;s business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly. Society should take a concise look at Oaksterdam&#8217;s business model.</p>
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		<title>By: agnas rosman</title>
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		<dc:creator>agnas rosman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who are you talking to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who are you talking to?</p>
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		<title>By: agnas rosman</title>
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		<dc:creator>agnas rosman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is you cite information about drugs being harmful without giving us solid facts about statistics of the negative effects of drugs on the human body. Also, what specific &quot;drugs&quot; do you classify as harmful? Chloroseptic Throat Spray, Calamine Lotion, Zoloft, Heroine? Most drugs have hazardous side effects. Do think anything &quot;artificial&quot; put into the human body is bad? Are you a Scientologist?

I believe you are refusing to see that positive and benificial outcomes can result from the legalization of a substance percived by you as &quot;bad.&quot; For your argument to be effective you need suport your claim with hard data (i.e. scientific facts, online studies, fda approved data charts) or reevaluate your own moral perspectives on  the use of marijuanna or other illegal substances. speak the honest truth without sounding righteous. 

Hey.What website was this again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is you cite information about drugs being harmful without giving us solid facts about statistics of the negative effects of drugs on the human body. Also, what specific &#8220;drugs&#8221; do you classify as harmful? Chloroseptic Throat Spray, Calamine Lotion, Zoloft, Heroine? Most drugs have hazardous side effects. Do think anything &#8220;artificial&#8221; put into the human body is bad? Are you a Scientologist?</p>
<p>I believe you are refusing to see that positive and benificial outcomes can result from the legalization of a substance percived by you as &#8220;bad.&#8221; For your argument to be effective you need suport your claim with hard data (i.e. scientific facts, online studies, fda approved data charts) or reevaluate your own moral perspectives on  the use of marijuanna or other illegal substances. speak the honest truth without sounding righteous. </p>
<p>Hey.What website was this again?</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cynic is correct. Suspicion is all they need, JulieD. You need to actually read about the laws concerning drugs. They are even more draconian than those the IRS uses to confiscate property.

But by all means, let&#039;s keep this little charade going, shall we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cynic is correct. Suspicion is all they need, JulieD. You need to actually read about the laws concerning drugs. They are even more draconian than those the IRS uses to confiscate property.</p>
<p>But by all means, let&#8217;s keep this little charade going, shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Legalization would cost much more in both treasure and lives.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Show me your cost-benefit analysis. Such a bold statement must have some background data to support it. Let&#039;s see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Legalization would cost much more in both treasure and lives.</p></blockquote>
<p>Show me your cost-benefit analysis. Such a bold statement must have some background data to support it. Let&#8217;s see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Name-calling becomes you Andrew. So much for your argument. And you never did answer my question, probably because you know this is a futile, stupid, and insane war that will be lost much as Prohibition failed.

I do hope the money you will continue to put into this war on drugs is money you can afford to waste. I know mine is being wasted but I can afford it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Name-calling becomes you Andrew. So much for your argument. And you never did answer my question, probably because you know this is a futile, stupid, and insane war that will be lost much as Prohibition failed.</p>
<p>I do hope the money you will continue to put into this war on drugs is money you can afford to waste. I know mine is being wasted but I can afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew191</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew191</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ferd, sometimes your are far to stupid to merit a response. But since you&#039;ve completely and fundamentaly misunderstood my post, maybe baby talk will work.

There are really bad things that people put in their bodies, they&#039;re called illegal drugs. People think the drugs are a fun so they don&#039;t realize that they are destroying their bodies, their minds, and their lives. Because other caring people see that the drug takers are destroying their lives, they try to stop them. But the drug takers don&#039;t want to stop, or can&#039;t stop on their own. Because of the efforts of the well meaning people, the cost of the drugs go way up. When this happens, bad people do all kinds of nasty things to supply drugs because they make lots of money doing that. This is a big problem. Some very silly people (you ferd) think that if the caring people give up their efforts at preventing other people from taking drugs, then the bad guys will go away. They might go away, but then we still have lots of sad people destroying their lives by taking drugs. In fact, there will probably be a lot more people taking drugs, because it will be easier. Some wise people think that the solution to the problem is to find better ways at convincing drug takers to stop taking drugs, and create better programs to convince others to never start taking drugs. If nobody wants to take bad drugs then bad guys won&#039;t do bad things to get drugs to healthy people.

ferd, I lean more toward the libertarian position, that would be decriminalizing the use of drugs. However, that does not solve the primary problem, people wrecking their lives with drugs. There are programs that show promise at curbing the need and use of drugs. Drying up the need or desire for drugs is the ultimate solution. And if you weren&#039;t so reflexively enraged at any challenge to your brilliance, and more concerned about how you will craft a response filled with your usual childish insults, and actually read my post with an open and less defensive mind, you might have actually understood what I wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferd, sometimes your are far to stupid to merit a response. But since you&#8217;ve completely and fundamentaly misunderstood my post, maybe baby talk will work.</p>
<p>There are really bad things that people put in their bodies, they&#8217;re called illegal drugs. People think the drugs are a fun so they don&#8217;t realize that they are destroying their bodies, their minds, and their lives. Because other caring people see that the drug takers are destroying their lives, they try to stop them. But the drug takers don&#8217;t want to stop, or can&#8217;t stop on their own. Because of the efforts of the well meaning people, the cost of the drugs go way up. When this happens, bad people do all kinds of nasty things to supply drugs because they make lots of money doing that. This is a big problem. Some very silly people (you ferd) think that if the caring people give up their efforts at preventing other people from taking drugs, then the bad guys will go away. They might go away, but then we still have lots of sad people destroying their lives by taking drugs. In fact, there will probably be a lot more people taking drugs, because it will be easier. Some wise people think that the solution to the problem is to find better ways at convincing drug takers to stop taking drugs, and create better programs to convince others to never start taking drugs. If nobody wants to take bad drugs then bad guys won&#8217;t do bad things to get drugs to healthy people.</p>
<p>ferd, I lean more toward the libertarian position, that would be decriminalizing the use of drugs. However, that does not solve the primary problem, people wrecking their lives with drugs. There are programs that show promise at curbing the need and use of drugs. Drying up the need or desire for drugs is the ultimate solution. And if you weren&#8217;t so reflexively enraged at any challenge to your brilliance, and more concerned about how you will craft a response filled with your usual childish insults, and actually read my post with an open and less defensive mind, you might have actually understood what I wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose I am of the opinion that each person can make decisions regarding their own physical being without any input from me so long as they don&#039;t affect others directly. I happen to like a drink or two but would not force it on others nor would I want temperance forced on me.  One cannot be a libertarian or even a conservative and think otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I am of the opinion that each person can make decisions regarding their own physical being without any input from me so long as they don&#8217;t affect others directly. I happen to like a drink or two but would not force it on others nor would I want temperance forced on me.  One cannot be a libertarian or even a conservative and think otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let&#039;s keep throwing all that good money after the bad. Arguments that cannot be proven fall on deaf ears, especially when all the evidence for the current war indicate complete and utter failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let&#8217;s keep throwing all that good money after the bad. Arguments that cannot be proven fall on deaf ears, especially when all the evidence for the current war indicate complete and utter failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not the money they&#039;ve made but it will stop their future profits. You didn&#039;t think about that one, though, did you? So, yes, by all means, let&#039;s continue this stupidity so these cartels can make even money and gain further monetary power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not the money they&#8217;ve made but it will stop their future profits. You didn&#8217;t think about that one, though, did you? So, yes, by all means, let&#8217;s continue this stupidity so these cartels can make even money and gain further monetary power.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m saying control it as we do alcohol. The old adage, &quot;You can&#039;t legislate morality&quot; has held true for centuries, hold true today, and will always hold true. If the converse were true, this &quot;war&quot; would have been over long ago.

All I am saying to those who dogmatically say &quot;no&quot; is look at the RESULTS. They not only aren&#039;t encouraging-they are downright appalling. To continue down this road is patently insane.

All I ask is for everyone to look at the facts concerning the money spent; look at the facts concerning incarceration rates; and look at the facts concerning recidivism.

And then look at all the real criminals that have to be released to make room for the drug abusers and sellers.

And then take a good, hard look at all the &quot;legal&quot; drugs prescribed by doctors that are often worse than the malady they are supposed to alleviate.

Then take a look at your own pill consumption, prescribed by the biggest group of peddlers around-Doctors and drug companies.

Got a hang-nail? Buy hangnailbegone. Got an itch? Buy itchberelieved. Had a bad day? Buy baddayisover. Depressed? Buy getalift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m saying control it as we do alcohol. The old adage, &#8220;You can&#8217;t legislate morality&#8221; has held true for centuries, hold true today, and will always hold true. If the converse were true, this &#8220;war&#8221; would have been over long ago.</p>
<p>All I am saying to those who dogmatically say &#8220;no&#8221; is look at the RESULTS. They not only aren&#8217;t encouraging-they are downright appalling. To continue down this road is patently insane.</p>
<p>All I ask is for everyone to look at the facts concerning the money spent; look at the facts concerning incarceration rates; and look at the facts concerning recidivism.</p>
<p>And then look at all the real criminals that have to be released to make room for the drug abusers and sellers.</p>
<p>And then take a good, hard look at all the &#8220;legal&#8221; drugs prescribed by doctors that are often worse than the malady they are supposed to alleviate.</p>
<p>Then take a look at your own pill consumption, prescribed by the biggest group of peddlers around-Doctors and drug companies.</p>
<p>Got a hang-nail? Buy hangnailbegone. Got an itch? Buy itchberelieved. Had a bad day? Buy baddayisover. Depressed? Buy getalift.</p>
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		<title>By: lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an alcoholic that has not have a drink in over 30 years. Alcohol cause quite a bit of damage in my extended family. You will find none of it in my house. I was delivered of the vice when as a young person I surrender my life to Christ. I cannot explain why or how but after that night I developed a repulsion to rum and beer. It stayed with me through all these years. 

Since evangelism of the type I partook is no longer effective, for whatever reasons; I advocate all kinds of different things against all kinds of drug until something sticks. 

I advocate that alcohol producers be taken to court by those affected by their products and be sued for their last penny. 

I would legalize illegal drugs if drug addicts could bring legal action in court against drug dealers and recover losses plus punitive damages. 

I hate the alcohol industry with a passion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an alcoholic that has not have a drink in over 30 years. Alcohol cause quite a bit of damage in my extended family. You will find none of it in my house. I was delivered of the vice when as a young person I surrender my life to Christ. I cannot explain why or how but after that night I developed a repulsion to rum and beer. It stayed with me through all these years. </p>
<p>Since evangelism of the type I partook is no longer effective, for whatever reasons; I advocate all kinds of different things against all kinds of drug until something sticks. </p>
<p>I advocate that alcohol producers be taken to court by those affected by their products and be sued for their last penny. </p>
<p>I would legalize illegal drugs if drug addicts could bring legal action in court against drug dealers and recover losses plus punitive damages. </p>
<p>I hate the alcohol industry with a passion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You made my point, oblivious one. As long as the drugs are in the hands of drug lords, tons of money will be made by them. Are you so damn blinded by your own dogma that you don&#039;t see the truth? So long as there is a drug war, the cartels will make millions upon untold millions and will be able to keep their stranglehold on America. Legalized drugs takes the money AWAY from the druglords and puts it into controllable businesses.

Your acknowledgment of Joe Kennedy is point in fact. He made the bulk of his money BEFORE prohibition was lifted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You made my point, oblivious one. As long as the drugs are in the hands of drug lords, tons of money will be made by them. Are you so damn blinded by your own dogma that you don&#8217;t see the truth? So long as there is a drug war, the cartels will make millions upon untold millions and will be able to keep their stranglehold on America. Legalized drugs takes the money AWAY from the druglords and puts it into controllable businesses.</p>
<p>Your acknowledgment of Joe Kennedy is point in fact. He made the bulk of his money BEFORE prohibition was lifted.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re addicted to nonsense, cynic. You need treatment today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re addicted to nonsense, cynic. You need treatment today.</p>
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