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		<title>By: justsomeone</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1619/now-hes-lying-about-nafta/#comment-146621</link>
		<dc:creator>justsomeone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think bigger than NAFTA.  Bill Clinton taught GWB everything he knows about fast track. Our current China trade policy was a Clinton invention &amp; I don&#039;t recall Hillary raising any fuss about it either. &amp; waiting 16 yrs until she runs for president doesn&#039;t count. Frankly I don&#039;t look to Obama or McCain for much relief either. The way I see it if these power brokers didn&#039;t go all global on us the American worker would have acheived alot more economic parity &amp; none of them really want that, they prefur redistribution schemes, so hence the playing field always has to be expanded. We get the government we deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think bigger than NAFTA.  Bill Clinton taught GWB everything he knows about fast track. Our current China trade policy was a Clinton invention &amp; I don&#8217;t recall Hillary raising any fuss about it either. &amp; waiting 16 yrs until she runs for president doesn&#8217;t count. Frankly I don&#8217;t look to Obama or McCain for much relief either. The way I see it if these power brokers didn&#8217;t go all global on us the American worker would have acheived alot more economic parity &amp; none of them really want that, they prefur redistribution schemes, so hence the playing field always has to be expanded. We get the government we deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: NAFTA, from a horse&#8217;s mouth : NO QUARTER</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1619/now-hes-lying-about-nafta/#comment-145874</link>
		<dc:creator>NAFTA, from a horse&#8217;s mouth : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See also: Alegre&#8217;s article here, &#8220;Now he&#8217;s lying about NAFTA.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See also: Alegre&#8217;s article here, &#8220;Now he&#8217;s lying about NAFTA.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1619/now-hes-lying-about-nafta/#comment-145240</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A senior Clinton staffer who held the highest position at the NEC and worked on the CEA at the same time is one of Obama&#039;s chief economic advisors.

Cutler hid his work in preparing the daily economic briefings during the Clinton years by making himself visibile in &quot;market-based solutions&quot; for the health care this time out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A senior Clinton staffer who held the highest position at the NEC and worked on the CEA at the same time is one of Obama&#8217;s chief economic advisors.</p>
<p>Cutler hid his work in preparing the daily economic briefings during the Clinton years by making himself visibile in &#8220;market-based solutions&#8221; for the health care this time out.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1619/now-hes-lying-about-nafta/#comment-145200</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone, quickly, go to the Op-Ed in the NYTimes and after reading Ms. Ferraro’s piece (about Superdelegates &amp; FL and MI) enter a comment. There are over 300 angry and insulting comments to her for her positions from Obama supporters.
Don’t let the comments there be one-sided and so horrible against
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25ferraro.html?hp
Hurry before they close the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone, quickly, go to the Op-Ed in the NYTimes and after reading Ms. Ferraro’s piece (about Superdelegates &amp; FL and MI) enter a comment. There are over 300 angry and insulting comments to her for her positions from Obama supporters.<br />
Don’t let the comments there be one-sided and so horrible against<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25ferraro.html?hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25ferraro.html?hp</a><br />
Hurry before they close the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: American Street &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s Not Just NAFTA, But I&#8217;m Done With Hillary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1619/now-hes-lying-about-nafta/#comment-145186</link>
		<dc:creator>American Street &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s Not Just NAFTA, But I&#8217;m Done With Hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some folks who have become unglued as of late, the fact that she praises the pact one day and believes it to be flawed and in need of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some folks who have become unglued as of late, the fact that she praises the pact one day and believes it to be flawed and in need of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: themomcat</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1619/now-hes-lying-about-nafta/#comment-145016</link>
		<dc:creator>themomcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to commend Alegre for her tenacity at DKos in the face of some vicious and often personal attacks. I have read her diaries there and was astonished at the vehemence of the comments. Alegre&#039;s diaries have always been well sourced and positive for Sen. Clinton. She avoided going &quot;negative&quot; on Sen. CLinton&#039;s opponents, focusing on their policies difference. I am so pleased that I now find her diaries here and at MYDD (I am having problems retrieving my password so I can post there, their automated system seems to not be working). Her diaries are why I voted for Sen Clinton in the NY primary.
 Other than a few non-candidate diaries, I have pretty much abandoned DKos but I refuse to do a GBCW. DKos has a wide audience and addresses more than just politics. I hope that after this is all over in November that Dkos will once again be a unifying site for progressive Democrats. Markos has disappointed me but not unsurprisingly, he is a former Republican, and he is not as progressive as he claims, as is Obama.
Again, a very supportive, Thank You and keep up the great work you have done for Sen. Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to commend Alegre for her tenacity at DKos in the face of some vicious and often personal attacks. I have read her diaries there and was astonished at the vehemence of the comments. Alegre&#8217;s diaries have always been well sourced and positive for Sen. Clinton. She avoided going &#8220;negative&#8221; on Sen. CLinton&#8217;s opponents, focusing on their policies difference. I am so pleased that I now find her diaries here and at MYDD (I am having problems retrieving my password so I can post there, their automated system seems to not be working). Her diaries are why I voted for Sen Clinton in the NY primary.<br />
 Other than a few non-candidate diaries, I have pretty much abandoned DKos but I refuse to do a GBCW. DKos has a wide audience and addresses more than just politics. I hope that after this is all over in November that Dkos will once again be a unifying site for progressive Democrats. Markos has disappointed me but not unsurprisingly, he is a former Republican, and he is not as progressive as he claims, as is Obama.<br />
Again, a very supportive, Thank You and keep up the great work you have done for Sen. Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: grannyhelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>grannyhelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s an ambitious politicians who&#039;s doing a hit job. 

However, he&#039;s running as if he isn&#039;t an ambitious politician who would ever do a hit job.

Pretty funny...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s an ambitious politicians who&#8217;s doing a hit job. </p>
<p>However, he&#8217;s running as if he isn&#8217;t an ambitious politician who would ever do a hit job.</p>
<p>Pretty funny&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1619/now-hes-lying-about-nafta/#comment-144891</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick addendum here:
After stepping away for a second, a very specific metaphor occured to me.

When I said, you must stay focused on the greater danger....

How is focusing on Nader, when Bush is the enemy (and he is) the proper use of one&#039;s time and effort?

Isn&#039;t this like Bush going into Iraq when he had Bin Laden targetted in Afghanistan?  He took his focus off Bin Laden in Afghanistan, and jumped towards Iraq, put all his cards there, and look what it got us, Iraq the quagmire, Afghanistan the forgotten war.

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick addendum here:<br />
After stepping away for a second, a very specific metaphor occured to me.</p>
<p>When I said, you must stay focused on the greater danger&#8230;.</p>
<p>How is focusing on Nader, when Bush is the enemy (and he is) the proper use of one&#8217;s time and effort?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this like Bush going into Iraq when he had Bin Laden targetted in Afghanistan?  He took his focus off Bin Laden in Afghanistan, and jumped towards Iraq, put all his cards there, and look what it got us, Iraq the quagmire, Afghanistan the forgotten war.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1619/now-hes-lying-about-nafta/#comment-144886</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly don&#039;t.  I have a passionate loyalty to History.  I don&#039;t like finding historical revisionism occuring, no matter which party or individual does it.  I won&#039;t even tolerate it from myself.

I said Obama actually supported NAFTA at one point because I was given materials that said he did have a support of NAFTA.  His camp denies that he ever said this, so I double checked, and dropped it, and admitted here that I was mistaken.  He did support expansion to Peru and other areas are in question, but the facts do matter.  And the fact is, Bill Clinton didn&#039;t originate this policy, he wasn&#039;t the &quot;Champion of NAFTA&quot; as someone on another blog coined him.  And the history shows many many Democrats sided with them.

In 1992 I voted for Ross Perot, simply because of NAFTA and the idea that he would understand the economics of America.  I admit that was not my best candidate, but he was the only one of 3 candidate who dared challenge this package.  He has been vindicated by history on this position.

I consider him a wingnut now, and really didn&#039;t personally like him then.  But because he told it like it was about NAFTA, I was on board.

What are we debating?
Obama is engaged in the debate on NAFTA by bringing it up.  He has placed a good portion of that responsibility at the feet of his opponent improperly, and should be held to account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly don&#8217;t.  I have a passionate loyalty to History.  I don&#8217;t like finding historical revisionism occuring, no matter which party or individual does it.  I won&#8217;t even tolerate it from myself.</p>
<p>I said Obama actually supported NAFTA at one point because I was given materials that said he did have a support of NAFTA.  His camp denies that he ever said this, so I double checked, and dropped it, and admitted here that I was mistaken.  He did support expansion to Peru and other areas are in question, but the facts do matter.  And the fact is, Bill Clinton didn&#8217;t originate this policy, he wasn&#8217;t the &#8220;Champion of NAFTA&#8221; as someone on another blog coined him.  And the history shows many many Democrats sided with them.</p>
<p>In 1992 I voted for Ross Perot, simply because of NAFTA and the idea that he would understand the economics of America.  I admit that was not my best candidate, but he was the only one of 3 candidate who dared challenge this package.  He has been vindicated by history on this position.</p>
<p>I consider him a wingnut now, and really didn&#8217;t personally like him then.  But because he told it like it was about NAFTA, I was on board.</p>
<p>What are we debating?<br />
Obama is engaged in the debate on NAFTA by bringing it up.  He has placed a good portion of that responsibility at the feet of his opponent improperly, and should be held to account.</p>
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		<title>By: justsomeone</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1619/now-hes-lying-about-nafta/#comment-144852</link>
		<dc:creator>justsomeone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there someone here who actually thinks NAFTA is a stunning success?? What are you people debating? Fast track this, fast track that, most favored nation status this, most favored nation that. Come On. Who cares if Hillary started questioning aspects of NAFTA 10 yrs after it was enacted. She didn&#039;t do anything. A moron could of figured out it would harm blue collar workers all the way back in 1991. A moron would know shipping good paying jobs out of the country while importing low wage workers would create strain. A moron would know you can&#039;t just run an economy on real estate. What are you debating?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there someone here who actually thinks NAFTA is a stunning success?? What are you people debating? Fast track this, fast track that, most favored nation status this, most favored nation that. Come On. Who cares if Hillary started questioning aspects of NAFTA 10 yrs after it was enacted. She didn&#8217;t do anything. A moron could of figured out it would harm blue collar workers all the way back in 1991. A moron would know shipping good paying jobs out of the country while importing low wage workers would create strain. A moron would know you can&#8217;t just run an economy on real estate. What are you debating?</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1619/now-hes-lying-about-nafta/#comment-144825</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading around the web again, it is sickening to see so many Obama supporters who have come here and accused people of &quot;Hating&quot; Obama, when I defy you to find a passage where someone has said, &quot;i hate obama&quot; (</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading around the web again, it is sickening to see so many Obama supporters who have come here and accused people of &#8220;Hating&#8221; Obama, when I defy you to find a passage where someone has said, &#8220;i hate obama&#8221; (</p>
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		<title>By: Buck Naked Politics</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1619/now-hes-lying-about-nafta/#comment-144819</link>
		<dc:creator>Buck Naked Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Obama Pulls a &quot;Rove&quot; on NAFTA?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Posted by D. Cupples (photo from Senate.gov ) &#124; Lately, Barack Obama has been attacking Hillary Clinton for her alleged support of NAFTA, the trade agreement that ended up reducing blue-collar jobs in our nation. FactCheck.org indeed finds a mailer tha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Obama Pulls a &#8220;Rove&#8221; on NAFTA?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Posted by D. Cupples (photo from Senate.gov ) | Lately, Barack Obama has been attacking Hillary Clinton for her alleged support of NAFTA, the trade agreement that ended up reducing blue-collar jobs in our nation. FactCheck.org indeed finds a mailer tha&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1619/now-hes-lying-about-nafta/#comment-144779</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m doing a lot of history work on this to refresh my portion of OUR COLLECTIVE AMNESIA

I just read this on the Wes Clark blog, but it is almost a universal belief if you google NAFTA:
&quot;do they clearly understand that Bill Clinton originated the NAFTA anti-democracy policy&quot;

This is patently false and part of why we cannot have an honest discussion about who is responsible.  George Herbert Walker Bush signed a NAFTA treaty with Mexico and Canada on December 17, 1992, just more than a month before Bill Clinton was inaugurated.  So, if you want to Bash Clinton for continuing this, fine, fair game.  But you should also add all the Democrats who signed on, including all the house members who signed:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll575.xml

and all the democrat senators:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&amp;session=1&amp;vote=00395

I voted for Ross Perot that year explicitly because of the NAFTA agreement, so I won&#039;t tolerate a lecture from either party about NAFTA, but don&#039;t distort the record.  NAFTA was the evolution of two trade deals that were forged in the Reagan and Bush Years. It evolved from the &quot;North American Accord&quot; and a trade deal we established with Canada.

I have a loyalty to accurate history over pundits and politicians.  If you distort our past, then you cannot predict our future.

Among the Democrats that we don&#039;t hear Obama criticizing are his buddy Dick Durbin who is his colleague, Carol Mosley Braun and Paul Simon who are former senators of Illinois, and countless others who thought this was the right thing to do.  No, it is politically convenient to add to the well coddled RightWing attack on Hillary Clinton and others to prop oneself up as Morally Superior.  How can you, or he be morally superior if you distort the record for your own political gain.

I have so many criticisms of Bill Clinton, I could weigh this blog down for months, but I cannot tolerate the distortion of history by revisionists of myopic hatred who pick and choose to fit their paradigm.

READ THIS, then retort:
http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/integ/chronologie.asp?langue=eng&amp;menu=integ#alena</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m doing a lot of history work on this to refresh my portion of OUR COLLECTIVE AMNESIA</p>
<p>I just read this on the Wes Clark blog, but it is almost a universal belief if you google NAFTA:<br />
&#8220;do they clearly understand that Bill Clinton originated the NAFTA anti-democracy policy&#8221;</p>
<p>This is patently false and part of why we cannot have an honest discussion about who is responsible.  George Herbert Walker Bush signed a NAFTA treaty with Mexico and Canada on December 17, 1992, just more than a month before Bill Clinton was inaugurated.  So, if you want to Bash Clinton for continuing this, fine, fair game.  But you should also add all the Democrats who signed on, including all the house members who signed:<br />
<a href="http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll575.xml" rel="nofollow">http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll575.xml</a></p>
<p>and all the democrat senators:<br />
<a href="http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&#038;session=1&#038;vote=00395" rel="nofollow">http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&#038;session=1&#038;vote=00395</a></p>
<p>I voted for Ross Perot that year explicitly because of the NAFTA agreement, so I won&#8217;t tolerate a lecture from either party about NAFTA, but don&#8217;t distort the record.  NAFTA was the evolution of two trade deals that were forged in the Reagan and Bush Years. It evolved from the &#8220;North American Accord&#8221; and a trade deal we established with Canada.</p>
<p>I have a loyalty to accurate history over pundits and politicians.  If you distort our past, then you cannot predict our future.</p>
<p>Among the Democrats that we don&#8217;t hear Obama criticizing are his buddy Dick Durbin who is his colleague, Carol Mosley Braun and Paul Simon who are former senators of Illinois, and countless others who thought this was the right thing to do.  No, it is politically convenient to add to the well coddled RightWing attack on Hillary Clinton and others to prop oneself up as Morally Superior.  How can you, or he be morally superior if you distort the record for your own political gain.</p>
<p>I have so many criticisms of Bill Clinton, I could weigh this blog down for months, but I cannot tolerate the distortion of history by revisionists of myopic hatred who pick and choose to fit their paradigm.</p>
<p>READ THIS, then retort:<br />
<a href="http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/integ/chronologie.asp?langue=eng&#038;menu=integ#alena" rel="nofollow">http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/integ/chronologie.asp?langue=eng&#038;menu=integ#alena</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scotch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am trying to imagine how, if he get the nomination, he is going to be able to keep the fervor going through the general election.  That is 9 months from now.  That is a long time to hope. In what month will we see hope start to noticably rot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to imagine how, if he get the nomination, he is going to be able to keep the fervor going through the general election.  That is 9 months from now.  That is a long time to hope. In what month will we see hope start to noticably rot?</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ralph Nader doesn&#039;t know what he&#039;s talking about&quot; &lt;em&gt;Senator Obama&lt;/em&gt;

That is rich coming from the Senator. 

Now I&#039;m not much for Mr. Naders timing of late, but to say that he is dummy is bizarre. 

I was hitchhiking as kid and got out to see across the freeway a Covair burning up...Nader was one of the first people to call for auto saftey and for getting that car off the road permenantly. errr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ralph Nader doesn&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s talking about&#8221; <em>Senator Obama</em></p>
<p>That is rich coming from the Senator. </p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m not much for Mr. Naders timing of late, but to say that he is dummy is bizarre. </p>
<p>I was hitchhiking as kid and got out to see across the freeway a Covair burning up&#8230;Nader was one of the first people to call for auto saftey and for getting that car off the road permenantly. errr.</p>
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