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Hillary Tells It Like It IS! [UPDATED]

By SusanUnPC on February 25, 2008 at 12:36 AM in Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Ohio

Monday a.m. UPDATE: Hillary is up 11 in Ohio, via Halperin): “From Quinnipiac University poll: Dems: Clinton 51, Obama 40.” (Ah, so that’s why the ‘droids are getting more hysterical and vicious, and why Obama is lying even more than usual. And our regular Kathleen is CORRECT about her state!)

ORIGINAL: Wow. She is unleashed!

IN CONTRAST TO:

Then there’s my all-time favorite from my piece, “There Will Be Bamboozling” and from my heartfelt confession to Hillary supporters about getting the Obama message BIG TIME, “The Choice (But I’ve Been Touched).”

alexei

Wow, that is just great! I love how Hillary is going right after Mr. Unity Pony!
Sam

Love it. Two can play the mocking game. I just hope it doesn’t come back to bite her, though, it doesn’t matter what she does, the media always makes it bite her. This one hits a nerve, though, because it is true. For anyone who has that nagging doubt of what if he is just words, this brings it home, I think. You go girl!

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Sam, you have to check out HuffPo. They’re going totally nuts over this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/24/hillary-clinton-mocks-bar_n_88194.html

OVER 6,000 comments! And the “news” report of her speech? Ugly, vicious, completely nasty and biased. I do not believe it. That site, like so many others infected by Obamamania, has gone down the toilet.

Kathleen

When Arianna Huffington was on Mark Greens Air America’s program “7 days in America” just after the Iowa caucus she completely ignored Edwards second place win and only mentioned Clinton a few times. It was all Obama Obama Obama.

The Nations Katrina Van Heudel (sp) was on that same program (just after the Iowa Caucus) and really tried to be fair and balanced but her efforts were smothered by Mark Green and Arianna Huffingtons unfair cheerleading for Obama Obama Obama!

AF

“You’re not going to wave a magic wand and just have the special interests disappear.” – the crowd goes wild after that.

AF

OK she makes me laugh so hard – I never saw that side of her. She has a real sense of humor.

By the way, the kids are now wearing Obama’s logo around their necks like a religious symbol. It’s the perfect confluence of … something. Like that 60 Minutes piece about Generation Next.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Truly! She must do that more! Gosh, I wonder if she can do that in the inert setting of that debate on Tuesday night on MSNBC. Probably not. … it’s rally material.

Yes, Generation Next is totally fucking with this country. That 60 Minutes piece was priceless — and truly scary too. My 25-year-old daughter wasn’t so privileged but she got into some great private schools, on scholarship, because she’s so bright — and her classmates were so DOTED UPON by their upper-class parents who were frankly obsessed with those kids. Every second of their lives was managed for them, and they were constantly promoted as the “special” ones. They were already so conceited and self-absorbed as kids.

HUGE CONTRAST: WHen i worked for a year with at-risk poor children at a rural elementary school / those kids got hardly a single break in life. And they got too much negativity from teachers. ‘course the principal and some of the teachers were into a lot of PHONY self-esteem messaging — and it was so fake — and the kids sensed it. (What do I know but it always struck me that kids need to be greated respectfully but also normally, without endless phony praise.)

AF

Have thought of that 60 Minutes segment so much throughout this campaign. Interesting perspective with your daughter.

Keep up the good work SusanHu.
AF

One more example of this generation – a 30-year-old is now challenging (one time) Hillary Superdelegate and Civil Rights activist John Lewis for being “unhip”.

Thought of starting a website called Hipsters for Hillary to would raise money for both Hillary and Lewis.

susanunpc

Yeah! Do that Web site.

That twit couldn’t carry John Lewis’s jock strap — let alone the bats they beat his head with.

How dare they? Because they think they’re “entitled.” What do you do with a generation that is that hopeless — at least the elite among them.

myiq2xu

I am one of the younger Baby Boomers, but I still remember the arrogance of our generation.

“Don’t trust anyone over 30″ was a popular slogan of the sixties.

Many of the Boomers (not me) thought that once their enlightened selves were in power they would do away with poverty, crime, war and all the other ills of mankind.

It turned out to not be so easy.

kenoshaMarge

I wondered if I was the only one that remembered the “don’t trust anyone over 30″ b.s. I also discounted back in the day because all of us little liberals that were so “into” freedom, love were supposed to discriminate against a significant portion of the population?

I learned back then and am sadly re-learning once again, that “true-believers” and I mean those that are fanatics about their belief in whatever cause, don’t want freedom and fairness. They want, like most of humanity, to get their own damn way.

Us “old folks” all ready know that we are not the preferred demographic. Unfortunately for those that think they have the “new” and the “hip” answers for the world, we still get to vote. And along with that is this reality, we vote in large numbers. Maybe cause many of us don’t have anything else to do. Or maybe because many of us have seen a whole lot of dog and pony shows over the years and are too old, too cynical and too arthritic to go climbing on any damn bandwagon.

nene

Speaking of “don’t trust anyone over 30,” remember the movie “Wild in the Streets” with Christopher Jones? And the ending?

PadrePio

The difference then was people over 30 were sending people under 21 to die in Vietnam for no good reason but a theory. What hardships have these spoiled little white punks suffered?

susanunpc

Oooohhhh … great point. (Just those poor kids I mentored will end up as fodder in future wars. I kept looking around the classroom, and wondering which of them would be blown up or burned to death in some insane war of the future.)

Kathleen

“It turned out not to be too easy”

Especially when the majority of the boomers gave up so soon. Many of my friends settled down into self consumed lives using up shit loads of energy consuming lots of goods, going to yoga retreats, golfing, malls etc. You know “greedlock”

Boomers are a big part of the problem.

Although there are others who really tried to keep their consumption levels down and stayed committed to a simpler lifestyle. Just not enough of them.

“Live more simply so others can simply Live”
PMS

I was there, too. Memories of being “Clean for Gene” and the “Children’s Crusade” compel me all the more to support Hillary.

Kathleen

Hillary has truly been a “change maker”.

Susan great to hear about your daughter and the at risk kids. I forgot to mention that at the Hillary rally in Dayton I had a long conversation (we waited for two and half hours for Hillary, we were lucky to get in with the thousands waiting outside ) with two young women both 27. One was a single mom who had graduated from Capitol University in Columbus Ohio with a degree in education. She also worked with “at risk kids”. When I asked her why she was supporting Hillary she shared that she came from two generations of Republicans and that she had shifted after the first four disastrous years of the Bush administration and voted for Kerry/Edwards in the last election. She was so excited by Hillary running for President and shared that her seven year old was also incredibly excited. I told her about the link that you had posted with folks sharing their individuals stories about their support for Hillary. She shared how many of the kids she deals with 7- 18 are all ready beat down by the system. She has heard young 10 year olds say that they know that they can never get to college because their parents do not have the money or where with all to help. She said that many of them have all ready quit trying “justice for all” yeah right. She lets these kids know that it is possible if they get the grades and push for their rights for a higher education. She was an inspiration and I am sure she inspires these young people

The other young woman had attended Otterbein (in Columbus Ohio) just after high school but had dropped out due to funds. After dropping out of college she got a job at a meat packing facility north of Dayton and climbed the ladder within that business. Over a year ago the business closed down. She can not find another job with the pay scale that she had had. We talked a great deal about the inconsistencies of our education system how kids at risk and many more never hear the word “college” as they are growing up.

I let the young woman who is trying to get back in to college for environmental studies that from my experience with my three daughters private colleges often give far more assistance to non-traditional students and those struggling with economics. We also discussed that you often receive a better education in small classrooms.

These two young women were all about Hillary ( I did not hold back with my reservations) they trusted her ability to be a “change maker” because she all ready had been. (these two women would have been great for the MSMer’s to interview or the hundreds of older women in the crowd but they did not)

Edit that other overview as you please (with the exception of eliminating my questions)

Simon

By the way, the kids are now wearing Obama’s logo around their necks like a religious symbol. It’s the perfect confluence of … something. Like that 60 Minutes piece about Generation Next.

Oh, that is so mean.

Retired

Now that the writers are back at work, they are trying to figure out how to fit Barry O saying, “Whoa” into his repertoire as a follow on to “He is the One.” If Hillary wins Texas and Ohio, the O-team may have to roll out Laurence Fishburne flogging the “He is the One” line, with Fishburne appearing in full Morpheus regalia and Barry O following Fishburne declaring, “He is the One” with a “Whoa” or two of his own. No word yet on the availability of Carrie-Anne Moss for a couple of well-timed fainting spells.

susanunpc

That’s so snarky of you, Retired. If they do that, it’s a sure sign they’re panicking.

FASCINATING (to me): Since the debate, the DailyObamaites have been in meltdown, even more than usual. They’re getting nastier, more hysterical, with over-the-top crazy attacks on Hillary and any of us who dare support her.

Why are they so frantic? I need some clever analysts to weigh in. Hint.

I have a YouTube to send you for your analysis too. Now if I can just find your e-mail addy, sigh…. my pathetic Inbox with the 400+ new emails … will try.

Kathleen

I have asked hundreds of Obama supporters the simple question “why”? They generally draw a blank.
Simon

They’re getting nastier, more hysterical, with over-the-top crazy attacks on Hillary and any of us who dare support her.

In part, though certainly there are other factors, this would indicate to me a narcissistic rage.

Being contradicted while identifying candidate as self, and fully intolerant of criticism, like any good narcissist, they are easily provoked to a state of near apoplectic anger.

Which should explain support for Obama, and the cult: narcissism.

Obama is an empty candidate, fully unqualified, accepts the mantle of Jesus, or Neo. can you believe it, the whole campaign is narcissistic, when narcissists plot, you get neocons, you get Obama.

What in the hell makes someone with Obama’s record think he’s qualified to be President?

Narcissism.

Yep, Obama is a product of his culture, just as his followers are, just like Bush, Cheney, and the neocons, the Paris Hiltons of politics, empty princesses who arguably look good, but who are wholly untalented, no creative or intellectual depth, the untalented, for the untalented.

Simon

neocon=new con?

heh.

Funny stuff.

abc

The Washington Post over the weekend had an article on Obama’s Red State “Strategy” and the following statistic was cited. Any opinions? Part of the rationale for the candidacy is the supposed strength in the so-called Red States.

“Christian Morgan, executive director of the Kansas Republican Party, ridiculed the possibility, noting that the Democratic caucus turnout of 37,000, while much higher than normal, was a fraction of the more than 1 million Kansans who vote in presidential election…”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/23/AR2008022302180.html?hpid=topnews

susanunpc

Snort. Red State Strategy my ass. Those dopes brag about winning Idaho, North Dakota, etc. What a bunch of idiots. As if there’d ever be any hope in a general.

http://sept-eleven.profy.com Bill Giltner

Larry,

If Hillary were telling it like it is, she would say:

My husband and I aren’t fit to run for dog catcher.

We supported illegal drug traffic (Mena Airport) and money laundering in Arkansas, and participated in the cover up of other illegal activities including murder. The law firm which I worked for in Little Rock has Partners who were part of the conspiracy. The cattle futures deal where I made $100,000 from $5,000 was a sweet way of getting a political bribe.

We should know that there is every reason to think Vince Foster’s death was a murder, not a suicide. We should know that there were bombs inside the Murrah Bldg. at OKC.

John

Hey, you forgot to mention Monica! Bad Troll! You Fail!
BernieO

Who are you really? Robert Novak?

Kathleen

Novak should be locked up for being part of the creepy team that outed Plame/Wilson.

Rob G. in Chicago

Bill crawl back under your rock, with your foil hat.
Kathleen

Bill Clinton was the best friend that the Republicans ever had. He played it down the middle on most issues.

Simon

Bill Clinton was the best friend that the Republicans ever had. He played it down the middle on most issues.

Political pragmatism on Clinton’s behalf, and it didn’t work, but this was before everyone realized the republicans had no intention of compromising, or sharing. They were going to keep going until they destroyed the federal government, achieving a permanent Republican majority, remaking the nation in the eyes of Karl Rove. Karl, meet Obama.

Republicans are overblown.

Fred C. Dobbs

“Not only that, but Bill cut the arrows in the sugar cane fields to guide the Japanese planes to Pearl Harbor. I personally killed the Lindbergh Baby and planted a bomb aboard Amelia Earhart’s Lockheed. And, we BOTH gave nuclear secrets to Klaus Fuchs and the Rosenbergs. We have a statue of Stalin in our Living Room!

And that Murrah Building thing? The security camera tape doesn’t show me parking the Ryder truck and, dressed as Timothy McVeigh, climbing into a Black Helicopter and flying up to the Canadian Border to welcome the New WOrld Order troops into the US to their secret underground base near Houghton Lake, MI.

Bill spends his weekends flying HIS Black Helicopter down to Mexico to gve Aid and Comfort to the five divisions of Russian Armor who are waiting, even as we speak, to invade Texas by the NAFTA Superhighway.”

Fred C. Dobbs

“Oh, before I forget, Chelsea torpedoed the LUSITANIA and my brother Hugh Rodham convinced JFK to withhold the Air Cover at the Bay of Pigs.

And, I had Paula Corbin Jones shot and replaced with a Disney Imagineered Robo-Slut. Our daughter had a ‘Trailer Trash Barbie’ doll growing up.”
TeakwoodKite

Texas by the NAFTA Superhighway

I am REAL suprised that was not brought in the Texas Debate.

errrr
Simon

We have a statue of Stalin in our Living Room!

No, that’s Dick Cheney, the iron hand of Russia, or something equally as fatuous…

Fred C. Dobbs

Cheney thinks he’s The Iron Duke.

http://www.despair.com/consistency.html Smilin’ Jim

“And everyone will know we should do the right thing, and the world will be perfect.”

There are several ways to write of that phrase.

One could mention the irony of the remarks and even be cast as hip as the Coen Brothers whose stock and trade is mainlining the vein of irony in Americana.

One could comment on the juxtaposition of the messianic zeal being punctured by reality.

Hells bells, one could also comment on how your wife always has this way of bringing you back to earth like a ELE comet collision.

Well the New York Times settled on sarcastic.

Hillary’s glass will always be half empty in the land of Time Warner, Disney, Viacon and Newscorp.

Simon

Hillary’s glass will always be half empty in the land of Time Warner, Disney, Viacon and Newscorp

The mediocrity of the multi national corporation.

They have the money, for the moment, but they are irrelevant to a new American strategy, (as opposed to order).

The multi-nationals represent twenty years of failed American narcissism: in the arts, business, politics, the press and celebrity. America as Andy Warhol’s factory, but less talent, and no Lou Reed. I think of the Huffington Post.

Obama IS the candidate of narcissism, the candidate of the Paris Hilton/Britney Spears/Neocon “look at me” generation, just another disposable pop princess.

Something new now, America needs to compete.

Really.

What in the world would make someone as untalented, as inexperienced, as CORRUPT as Obama think he could run for, BE President?

Simon

And narcissism isn’t a skill set, it won’t even sustain a blog.

You see Kos, and Huffington drowning, whereas others are now thriving, a good thing.

But you see the dynamic?

Now imagine it’s a government, and people like Kos, but even more pedantically, narcissitically untalented, have to make life or death decisions.

They can’t.

And when they try, you get an invasion into Iraq, or a suggestion to bomb Pakistan, and you lose all the oil to Russia.
Kathleen

I do not think Obama is corrupt. But I am suspicious of the Obamarama spin machine, his inexperience and his “fence sitting”

I really appreciate the way he is inspiring the young just wish they could come back with more substance as to why they are supporting him.

Think

Simon

I do not think Obama is corrupt.

Kathleen,

Read the Chicago newspapers (Tribune, SunTimes, the Chicagoist, rezkowatch) in regard to Rezko and the IL political circle, of which Obama is a part.

There is no question in my mind, hanging with that crowd, Obama is corrupt.

Chicago has a clearer perspective of Obama, something the national papers are ignoring.
Nellie

You were absent – the corrupt charge sticks.

Susan and Larry have been VERY prolific in the last month – if you get a chance read it all.

I am still trying to get Susan to tell me what vitamins she takes – Lord knows I do not have her energy and stamina, and I’ll settle for just half that now.

{{Susan, Hint Hint}}}

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Then there’s that this bullshit always ignores the TRUE nature of human beings. … the dark side and all. The self-interested side (which is surely genetic, because it’s all about SURVIVAL). That’s why the total peaceniks always look so silly.

Sam

Hillary is fighting back the major media bias! Let’s help her!

http://www.hillaryresponders.com/

http://www.despair.com/consistency.html Smilin’ Jim

The owners of this domain are shielded by BlueHost.

So just who are you folks?

Iphie

I have to say I laughed out loud when I saw this today — I hope that the message gets through the media outrage that Hillary won’t just walk away quietly. One thing she makes clear again and again is that she is a fighter; and really, at this point, what is the downside of this clip for her? She’s got to go for broke now if she’s gonna put this thing back on track. I thought it was refreshing. I feel like the Obama wave is cresting — that there’s been some sort of a shift — I hope that I’m right, that it’s not just my foolish optimism at work here, but it seems like there’s been a real change in the narrative. The Tina Fey bit last night solidified that feeling for me.

Bitch is the new black, indeed.
chris

I agree that the tide is shifting for Obama. Articles on Obama fatigue are beginning to appear. The only problem for him is…folks like me are now quite determined not to vote for Obama no matter.
And to top it off, my man Ralph Nader reappeared today, and he sang my song.

NOBODY is entitled to my vote. I deeply resent the cynical hegemony of the major parties.

Five Thirty

Doesn’t it bother you though, that Mr. Nader’s dislike of Democrats helped give us GWB as president?

Ralph is kind of a show-boater, don’t you think?

chris

No I don’t think so, because America does not have a Constitution that says, Democrat and Republican.

In fact, your comments only persist to reinforce this sort of elitist attitude.

And you have George Bush because of two failed campaigns by Al Gore and John Kerry. The fact that you, and others have not come to terms with this, reflects again on your failures. ITS NEVER YOU! Its always someone else.

Al Gore’s campaign (not the candidate himself) focus too much on Ralph Nader and not on the village idiot. When you can’t keep focus on the major issue, George Bush ( a known quantity ) in favor of kicking other candidates in the face to get out, you get what you get.

If you don’t want a repeat of 2000, you should back your party and leave other parties to their own. This was the major mistake of 2000.

Either this is a democracy (yes, i know it is a Republic), or it is not.

Again, Nobody is entitled to my vote. This is the classic mistake of the Democratic Party. They think, if you just hate George Bush enough, you’ll vote for them. This hasn’t proven to be the case.

And outside Florida, which was wrought with voter tampering, scrubbing of the voter rolls, it is inappropriate to blame it on Ralph Nader. And other than Florida, if you look at the states Gore lost to Bush, you can add Ralph Nader’s votes to Gore’s and he still lost.

When you allow your campaign to lose focus and spend too much time on the wrong priorities, you will have expended both good election funds, time, and effort.

Sorry, its simply bad kung fu friend.

And no, I don’t believe Ralph is a show-boater. I think the two parties insult us daily with their assumptions. The Democratic Party is almost as criminally liable as the Republicans. Look at the voting records of many Democrats and you’ll see they voted for laws that violate your constitutional rights. They spend a ton of time snuggling up to lobbyists, and caving in to Republican pushes.

The fact that Nancy Pelosi and others keep impeachment off the table is more than enough key indication that they are Morally Corrupted by the political process. They really expect to keep office. They put getting elected above their oaths. They put their party above the peope they promised to represent and the Constitution they swore to defend.

Don’t you think the Democratic Party is a show-boater?

Doesn’t it bother you that the Democratic Party, with a majority in Congress, doesn’t even have the nerve to seek impeachment of the worst president and evil vice president of the the US?

Doesn’t it bother you that the Democratic Leadership will turn on its own, like it is doing to Dennis Kucinich when he dared to call for impeachment? Or how they took out Cynthia McKinney, or others who wouldn’t play their game?

I’m in this for real, not as a pedestrian sport. This isn’t a joke. There are real consequences to those failures.

For the record, I am voting for Hillary Clinton in the Texas Primary, and I’m doing it because I believe she is the most qualified of the two candidates still in there. And this will put me at odds with many areas I believe in, but I’m willing to give it a shot because of the gross distortions Obama’s campaign and supporters have assailed her with.

But my relief for November has arrived because, as a person who grew up informed about corporate fraud and skimping on consumers I relied upon Ralph Nader to see how companies would not take responsibility for their products and services. He has served his country in a very unselfish manner.

And last, I’m no spring chicken when it comes to this part of a campaign, so I expect to see the arrogant face of the Democrats emerge now that Ralph has arrived. We’ll see how much of a Democratic process Democrats really believe in. Already they are trying to eat their own by telling Clinton to drop out. Nobody is entitled to my vote.

Rob G. in Chicago

No one is entitled to your vote, but John McCain thanks you for the win anyway. While you believe that you are voting for your chosen candidate, and that is what it is all about, Ralph will siphon votes from the Democratic Party in larger numbers than he will divert Republican votes, but you’ve got your pony and your clear conscience.

chris

You only make my point, every time you attack.

Simon

But don’t cut off your nose, to spite your face, either.

But you’re right, too, I won’t vote for McCain, but I won’t vote for Obama, either.

I will write in Edwards, if Clinton doesnt win the nomination.

My conscience won’t let me vote for Obama.

Kathleen

I sincerely believe that this will not happen again. But he will push the candidates further (Nader supported Edwards). If Edwards had not dropped out I don’t think Nader would have jumped in.

chris

Nader made the point, and a good point, on Meet the Press, that his presence in the 2000 race actually caused some folks to vote for Gore, who had otherwise decided not to vote at all. I know some folks who did so.

I support Edwards too. Kucinich too.
Fundamentally though I support the right of any party to get involved instead of a duopoly. Either we are fighting for something worthing fighting for, or we are playing patty cake here.

ces

Except the Ds and Rs are around 24/7/365.

Nadar? Once every four years, just a little bit before the election.

So the thing is, most of us would like options. But’s the way Nadar goes about it that makes him easy to ignore. His methods get in the way of his message.

If here were serious, he’d be active all year round. Start a real movement. Get the word out. There’s this thing called the internet, maybe he’s heard of it.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Let’s not get side-tracked by the Nader pimple.

As Hillary said yesterday, “It’s a free country.” People will do what they do. But there is a LOT of time before November — minds change / I wouldn’t worry about it right now.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Kathleen below is correct: he has every right to run, and people have every right to vote for him. Let’s not sweat it here.

Kathleen

The Supreme Court gave us the Bush administration. The 200O selection of Bush was a Supreme Court Judicial Coup.

While I would have never voted for Nader and tried like hell to convince many young people in our town of Athens Ohio that they were throwing away their vote…I firmly believe that Nader has every right to run .

It is a “myth” that Nader is responsible for the Bush administration. Read “Too Close to Count”

When Nader came to Athens in 2000 I asked him why he kept repeating “lies”. Nader kept repeating that “there was no difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party”…We know this is horseshit and so does he.

Not enough of a difference… put plenty for me.
Percy

If Obama is the nominee……by some unfortunate twist of fate….then all hail Nader.

Cee

NOBODY is entitled to my vote. I deeply resent the cynical hegemony of the major parties.

Chris,

I feel the same way. Isn’t McKinney the offical Green Party presidential candidate?
Are people to write in Nader over her?

fribbles

Oh, that made my morning. Go, Hill go.

An angry bitch is to be feared indeed. Just ask my husband.
S. Markom

About time she dropped the P.C. crap and said what most of America is thinking.

But why did she wait? This is the real Hillary Clinton – tough, aggressive, smart, and no-nonsense.

This Obama thing is out of control and has transcended into some spiritual movement with a guy who some probably do think walks on water.

It’s nice that he was always opposed to the Iraq War. The problem is the credibility of his opinion of someone who was not in DC and was therefore never privy to the information that Hillary and all the others based their decision on. The question I have is what his vote would have been if he were in the Senate then.

I want to see much more of this from Hillary.

susanunpc

IF IF IF IF IF that video can get out there unadulterated by the media.

Look at what Huffington Post did to it.

And I can only imagine what the Obama boys at MSNBC will do with it .. always with their pseudo-psycho-analytical bullshit about everything Hillary does.

Frankly, imho, her only hope is to raise $5 million a day — hint — and get all of these on TV ads so she can get directly to the American people. The media are deadset against her.

Percy

AMEN….because those that count.. the voters…would love it

Percy

2002, Obama gave an anti war speech at an anti war rally (surprise)

2004, Obama said, had I been in the Senate with all the information in front of me, I don’t know how I would have voted. Right now, I am with George Bush on his position in the war.

He also said he would never vote for the funding of the war, and he has voted for the funding of the war each time.

He could have taken a strong stand with Russ Fiengold in opposition to the war in the Senate. He did not.

He skipped the vote on the IRan Resolution because of the campaign trail. Hillary voted. The Obama criticized her vote.

GO HILLARY … MORE OF THIS and GET HIM IN THE DEBATE! This is your month!

S. Markom

If Hillary does not continue to “out” this guy as a rookie with a big appetite and no stomach, then McCain and the GOP will.

What a story this will be if she can turn this around in a week.

ebonyscrews

Her entire speech in RI was powerful. Personally, I like that she’s campaigning with this fire, but I hope it isn’t too late. Just seems like the media distorts everything against her and she is not able to get a fair shake. Fight Hillary, Fight! We have your back, girl.

Kathleen

And so do the hard working, tax paying, military joining, middle class folks in Ohio. I think Hillary is going to sweep Ohio.
http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Oooohhhh .. wonder if the full speech is up on C-Span. Can someone who’s better than me at finding things at C-Span.org see if it’s there? (I have a terrible time there.)

kenoshaMarge

Just took a quick spin around the net to the few blogs I still frequent. No more kos, TPM, BuzzFlash, or the festering sore that the Huffington Post has become for me. They may not have standards or integrity but I do. I found the usual Clinton bashing and Obama excusing.

One common theme is that when Obama says something negative about Clinton, that’s perfectly legitimate and eminently fair. However when Clinton says something negative about Obama, the Daffy Duck Brigade begins sputtering “Despicable!”

Does that fall under the Obama Rules, the Clinton Rules or under Clinton Derangement Syndrome? I get confused sometimes about what is which.
votermom

Her delivery is great. ROTFL. Go Hillary!
Kathleen

This morning on the Diane Rehm show.
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/

10:00Lobbying and the Presidential Campaign

Guest host: Susan Page of USA Today

A discussion on candidates’ ties to lobbyists, their positions on lobbying, and voter concerns over moneyed interests in politics.

Call in or email your questions. You can reach hundreds of thousands of voters this way. The screener that you will get to wants clear on point questions or comments, she also loves passion. They really like first time callers.

Give it a shot…Democracy in Action

drshow@wamu.org
1-800-433-8850 Start calling at 10 keep punching redial…use two phones.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

ALRIGHT! Wonder who the guests are … gosh, I used to listen to Rehm’s show all the time but haven’t had the time lately. Wonder if she’s in the tank for Obama. Hope not.

Kathleen

Diane has a great deal of integrity. She has not indicated who she supports. I think she is one of the best in the MSM.
ces

It was a Republican lobbyist who was first for Rudy and now McCain.
The lady was a lobbyist for some group I can’t remember now.
And a reporter from Murdoch’s WSJ.

They all said lobbying isn’t bad, blah blah blah.

They started to talk about McCain’s piece from the NYT and instead of talking about if it was true or not, they just blasted the NYT.

I turned it off.

Kathleen

It was obvious that Hillary was up in Ohio at the Dayton rally. Just could not understand why her team did not have this event at a much larger auditorium. Since there were thousands of supporters standing outside who could not get in. Of course the MSMer’s ignored this crowd of folks. Most of them did not interview them or ask questions about why Hillary had their support. You know they keep giving their own slanted overviews..(so tired of this).

Report what the people think not the lopsided reporters.

Susan edit that overview in Dayton in whatever way you like (I am obviously a rookie). Please do not take out my hesitations. I trust your ability to be fair.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Will do. Am working on a very important story that I need help with / if you have any time, e-mail me.

Kathleen

Emailed.. honored to serve. Will be going to Obama event at 11 on Ohio University campus. Some Rep will be here

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Uh oh. Will you be the same when you return?

Cee

Is THIS telling it like it is?

“On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world,” said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe in an e-mail sent to RAW STORY and other news outlets Monday morning.

The photo appeared Monday morning on The Drudge Report, which alleged it was circulated by Clinton staffers.

“Wouldn’t we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were HRC?” questioned one campaign staffer, in an email obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT.

RAW STORY requested comment from Clinton’s campaign Monday morning and is awaiting a response.

Politico’s Mike Allen reported, “The Clinton campaign did not deny the charge, but did not comment further.”

ABC News political tip sheet The Note says the photo flap could be a result of “frustration” from the Clinton team, but it notes there is some question over whether her team distributed the photo:

(If it really is the work of someone associated with the Clinton campaign, it has atypical fingerprints all over it — and it’s an interesting call on a day where Clinton is giving a “major” speech on foreign policy.)
MSNBC’s First Read notes the photo’s appearance could mark an increase in attacks on Obama.

Toss in the blind photo Drudge attack of Obama today showing him doing what many American statesman do when overseas — dress in local garb — and it looks like this could be the week that the kitchen sink is tossed at Obama. Will Clinton be asked at her foreign policy speech today if her campaign is circulating this photo?
Fox News quickly noted the photo as did several conservative blogs and FreeRepublic, the right-wing message board.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_blasts_Clinton_over_photo_0225.html

Sam

Check out MYDD, her campaign did not have anything to do with that photo. Sources are now saying that his campaign released the photo preemptively. It also appeared in a tabloid magazine this week, so her campaign would not have to release anything. It comes from a documentary that he taped and aired.

Just because Drudge says something (and he started the it came from Clinton rumor, doesn’t make it so)!

Sam

And Ben over at Politico now has a quote from his campaign saying that they actually don’t know where the photo came from, they just assumed it was Clinton. That photo is ALL over the place, including in your grocery aisle. And how is the photo fear mongering? When Senator Clinton wore a hijab that was not fear mongering. What is wrong with wearing ethnic clothing?

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

ASS . U . ME

Dopes.

It was ALL over all of the rightwing blogs ALL weekend. Memeorandum.com featured all the ‘winger blog posts about it.

jesus, can’t these “journalists” check out origins like that?

One person who likes Clinton mentioned it to me, and we both instantly knew it was too toxic to touch, and wholly unfair to Obama (!) — and I’d bet anything the Clinton people feel the same way. He was wearing a costume for a diplomatic thing / I’d never write about that. nor would ANY (!) of the pro-Hillary bloggers I know. We have our ethics … just as I’m fighting the anti-Muslim comments here at NoQuarter because it is out of bounds.

The GOP would have a blast with this though in a general.

(That said, if that were a photo of Hillary, I have no trouble imagining Obama’s goons distributing it everywhere, and the MSM using it constantly.)

Fred C. Dobbs

>>> “…wholly unfair to Obama.”

Fair is where one goes to eat cotton candy and smell monkey poop. All that matters is “W” and, “L.”

There are no Moral Victories in US politics. It’s Full-Contact, No-Helmets, All The Time.

The Republicans prevailed in 2000 and 2004 because they WANTED to more, and acted accordingly. Blaming Sandra Day O’Connor, Florida politicians (Harris) rigging the election or the Sunsot Cycle will not change this truth.

Get me a piece of video with Obama saying that his favorite Marx brother is Karl and I will run it into the ground…leaking it first to Drudge.

Simon

There are no Moral Victories in US politics. It’s Full-Contact, No-Helmets, All The Time

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There should be, though, the ability to recognize when a strategy has become counterproductive, or internecine.

This escapes so many.

And that picture, big deal.

Though he did look pretty.

(I’m sorry, I just cannot help myself sometimes…)

Sam

From Maggie Williams, Clinton Campaign Manager, as posted over at Politco by Ben Smith:

Enough.

If Barack Obama’s campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely.

This is nothing more than an obvious and transparent attempt to distract from the serious issues confronting our country today and to attempt to create the very divisions they claim to decry.

We will not be distracted.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

You believe what Matt Drudge writes? He who has been promoting Obama non-stop and slamming Clinton non-stop because he wants the GOP to face Obama in the general? I check his headlines regularly, and his headlines — just like this one today! — is always slanted AGAINST Hlllary.

But the photo is real. I mentioned it in a comment below last night. I mostly though it made him look really silly — a la Michael Dukakis in the tank or Kerry wind-surfing.

Cee

Susan,

You posted something from Drudge here a few weeks ago. Why the objection now?

Percy

I have never seen any of our Presidents or Stateman’s in garb like this! Do you mean it is like Hawaii where everyone gets a lei? Everyone that goes to Kenya, dresses like this?

And… what is the problem with circulating a photo? it is a real photo….not falsified. He was in his father’s homeland… (his father is a muslim) visiting his country, discovering his roots?

Tell me…if there is nothing to it? Innocent…natural…ok…everyone does it….then why is the Obama camp angry?

They try to hide the fact that his father is a muslim, then he went to a school as a child that taught Islam, his middle name is Hussein. If there is nothing wrong with it.. why try to hide it?

It is about time he had to be held slightly accountable….

Look…if he is unfortunately our nominee…then he better get use to it.

At least this is an actual photo.. of him. Period. Not like his camp…conjuring up attack ads.. and attacks in his stump speeches …..playing the race card … using cult tactics… all manipulative.

Photos speak 1,000 words.

Thanks for sharing it!

Fall of the Hillites

This is a great political rorschach test. If your response to this video is “great job, Hillary is finally telling it like it is”, you’re obviously in big for Clinton. After her wonderful moment in the debate with Obama, where she took the high road, to immediately fall back into vociferous attacks (over a mailer sent out weeks ago) and mockery (particularly when it’s done this poorly) makes her appear inconsistent and unstable. I’m glad it makes y’all happy, but it’s not going to win votes.

Sam

Eh, fall, I disagree. One of my good friends is an Obama supporter and he still thought it was hillarious and right on…he tends to think Obama focuses too much on this lofty stuff and he thought her remarks were honest and humorous.
Percy

Correction….she was just handed the mailer at her rally. Obama just sent them out again. He had sent them out before, denounced by the Hillary camp… and he is back at it again.

Obama is the one that raises attacks after a debate.

At least she extended the hand… acknowledging the history they are making together.

I would be appalled too…..

Go Hillary!!!

Kathleen

SDsan can not find the whole speech in Rhode Island. Will keep looking a c-Span.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Thank you. If you can!

Kathleen

Emptywheel
60 Minutes Goes Black–Who Does It Protect?
By: emptywheel Monday February 25, 2008 6:35 am
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/
Fall of the Hillites

Sam, I guess we’ll agree to disagree, I don’t think humor is her strong point. I think there’s a lot of funny you could generate with his lofty rhetoric, but she’s completely tone deaf (she sounds like my mom trying to tell a joke, my mother is funny, but she can’t tell a joke). Notice that she gets much more applause than laughter (a smattering of laughs with the first couple lines, than just applause. Jon Stewart has talked before about how he knows a bit doesn’t work when he gets applause instead of laughter, he doesn’t like this because he knows he hasn’t accomplished anything beyond telling his audience what they want to hear. That’s all she’s accomplished here.

Percy

It was meant to drive home a point….not just generate a laugh. The applause says… YES… you are saying what many feel!

She is being real…letting herself go! And I for one hope she continues!!!!

She is a good campaigner…yet Obama is great at giving speeches…and yet, keep in mind….we are not looking for a person who can give a great speech, or be the best at telling a joke….we need a person who will work hard everyday for the American people, stand with us and for us and turn the tide in this country.

She acknowledges that we would be hiring her for President….and she would be honored to have the job.

Obama is happy to be called “The ONe”…the Messiah….and deliver sound bites.

Maybe he and Michelle should go to a country that she can be proud of and where being a Messiah would be grand.

Sam

Well, I laughed pretty hard. So she got me!
Kathleen

Recent You tube Hillary ciip…good one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxtN0u23Tdc

Obama rep not coming
Kathleen

Another Rhode Island clip of Hillary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2T0VeWK9Lw

Robert Kennedy Junior
Hillary….Dignity
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/122.aspx
Kathleen

Only thing I can find at C-span with Hillary in Rhode Island
http://www.c-span.org/Search/basic.asp?ResultStart=1&ResultCount=10&BasicQueryText=Hillary
+Clinton+rhode+Island

All of HIllary’s clips at her web site
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/

I did not know that Maya Angelou supports Hillary

Should not be so hard to find that complete speech of Hillary’s at Rhode Island College
kenoshaMarge

And if you need a good laugh go over to Daily Howler. http://www.dailyhowler.com/ He absolutely skewers Dowd and Rich over their infantile and amateurish column in which both seem fixated on the price the Clinton Campaign paid for donuts in the month of January.

It also makes you wonder why the anyone would pay these two clowns big bucks to write such drivel.

rjj

$1200 will buy 2400 donuts or enough for 100 workers @ 1 each per day assuming a 24 day month. She surely has more than 100 workers. What’s the big deal.

Likewise the pizza tab comes out to 45 pizzas per day assuming a 24 day month and pizzas are ultrasupreme gigantos @ $10 ea. Giganto pizzas will feed 5-6 people refraining from gluttony for the sake of appearances. That $11000 will feed 275 people for a month.

If Dowd had given the business a bit of thought, and played with the numbers (assuming I have not misunderestimated here), she would have accused HRC of being mingy.
http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

Kindof skipped over the part about 95 grand for sandwich platters didn’t they?
( that was for one night)
Too bad they don’t let you buy kegs anymore..if you really wanted to get the young vote out that would be the answer…You know drunken college students fighting over obama or hillary.breaking glass and throwing chairs..ahhh democracy at work.
just play’n marge..just play’n……

Percy

And if she was the only camp not giving food….she would be a miser.

http://www.despair.com/los24x30prin.html Smilin’ Jim

“It also makes you wonder why the anyone would pay these two clowns big bucks to write such drivel.”

Below is one of the most awkward and contrived similes I have seen on the Internet.

“Hillaryland spent like a hedge fund manager in a flat-screen TV store.”

She needs a more forceful editor.

Andy

Everyone, quickly, go to the Op-Ed in the NYTimes and after reading Ms. Ferraro’s piece (about Superdelegates & FL and MI) enter a comment. There are over 300 angry and insulting comments to her for her positions from Obama supporters.
Don’t let the comments there be one-sided and so horrible against
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25ferraro.html?hp
Hurry before they close the comments.
S. Markom

Hillary has FINALLY come out strong against Obama’s naive foreign policy position of sitting down with all foreign leaders without any preconditions.

Why has this taken so long?

In business and in politics you try to never negotiate without an understanding of what those talks will try to accomplish. And you never intentionally negotiate from a position of weakness as Obama wants to do.

Teddy Roosevelt said: “Speak softly but carry a big stick . . . ” The Bush Administration carried the big stick but their voice was harsh and unremitting.

If Obama is elected it will be “Speak softly and carry THEIR stick.” (I was tempted to end that differently but this is a PG rated blog).
Andy

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