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why the diss on brown?

I have been working on this story, gathering information about Obama and his apparent diss of Gordon Brown’s visit the other day. I wondered if Obama’s diss on England and Gordon Brown had something to do with Kenya, but I didn’t know why, exactly. In my search for information, and answers, I came across one bloggers explanation. But, let me back up a bit, first.

churchill It was reported a couple of weeks ago that Obama had sent back the Winston Churchill bust that Tony Blair lent to George Bush after 9/11. Obama sent it back upon entering the White House.

“A bust of the former prime minister once voted the greatest Briton in history, which was loaned to George W Bush from the Government’s art collection after the September 11 attacks, has now been formally handed back.

The bronze by Sir Jacob Epstein, worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if it were ever sold on the open market, enjoyed pride of place in the Oval Office during President Bush’s tenure.

But when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: “Thanks, but no thanks.”


This left many in England curious as to what this meant for relationships between US and UK. The bust is now floating around, somewhere in limbo, waiting to find a new home.

Next, it was reported that Obama would not be granting a full press conference with Brown, even though Brown had thought otherwise. The White House issued a statement, as Brown’s plane was touching down in DC, that is was cancelled, due to snow.

“The murmurs began when President Obama returned to the British Embassy the Winston Churchill bust that had been displayed in the Oval Office since Tony Blair lent it to George W. Bush.

The fears intensified when press secretary Robert Gibbs, announcing British Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s visit to the White House, demoted the Churchillian phrase “special relationship” to a mere “special partnership” across the Atlantic.

And the alarm bells really went off when Brown’s entourage landed at Andrews Air Force Base on Monday night. Obama, breaking with precedent, wouldn’t grant the prime minister the customary honor of standing beside him in front of the two nations’ flags for the TV cameras. The Camp David sleepover that Blair got on his first meeting with Bush? Sorry, chaps.

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But not this time. Benedict Brogan of Britain’s Daily Mail reported on his blog that “the joint press conference No10 was banking on is off. . . . Embarrassing.” He later updated the report: “If Downing Street was expecting the kind of love-in that marked the first Blair-Clinton gala at the White House or the Blair-Bush Colgate and video moment at Camp David, this new administration has proved it wrong. There never was going to be a press conference, despite what No10 said. And there is no couple time planned. No Stevie Wonder, no Meet the Parents, no burgers.”

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“There was a lackluster quality to it all that did little to assuage the fears,” agreed Tim Shipman of Britain’s Telegraph.

Somewhere in the British Embassy, a bronze bust of Churchill was turning in its storage crate.”

Ouch

Then I came across this article: President Barack Obama just plain rude to Britain. Don’t call us in future.

“Why couldn’t President Obama have put on more of a show for his British guests? He looked like he simply couldn’t be bothered.

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But Obama’s merely warmish words (one of our closest allies, said with little sincerity or passion) left a bitter taste with this Atlanticist. Especially after his team had made Number 10 beg for a mini press conference and then not even offered the PM lunch.

We get the point, sunshine: we’re just one of many allies and you want fancy new friends. Well, the next time you need something doing, something which impinges on your national security, then try calling the French, or the Japanese, or best of all the Germans. The French will be able to offer you first rate support from their catering corps but beyond that you’ll be on your own.

When it comes to men, munitions and commitment you’ll soon find out why it pays to at least treat the Brits with some manners.”

Double ouch.

I have not forgotten how the UK reached out to America after 9/11, and how Tony Blair offered us their full support. They stood by us, went to war with us, cried for us, and died for us.

I am offended and embarrassed that the current administration snubbed our ally.

And adding insult to injury, the Obama’s displayed a complete lack of etiquette, hospitality and consideration through their last minute lame attempts at gift giving.

“Like all good guests, Sarah Brown arrived bearing gifts for the children, Malia and Sasha. And they were really nice presents. A bit of thought had clearly gone into choosing them: Top Shop dresses (with matching necklaces) and a selection of books by British authors. Lovely.

In return Mrs. Obama gave the Brown children, Fraser and John, two toy models of Marine One, the Presidential helicopter. Fair enough on the helicopter part, always a popular choice with small boys; but Marine One? It’s not as though anyone needs reminding that Barack Obama is President or that he has his own helicopter. Short of giving the boys Action Man models of her own husband smiting the evil forces of neo-conservatism, Mrs. Obama’s gesture could not have been more solipsistic or more inherently dismissive of Mrs. Brown.

Not only did she demonstrate that she spent approximately three seconds contemplating the needs of the Brown boys (having an aide pop to the White House gift shop for a piece of merchandising does not imply a great deal of thought), she appeared to show a most uncharacteristic lapse of judgment. It might have been possible to overlook the incident were it not for the official photograph.

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The White House released one picture of the two women and it does not appear to have been selected with any kind of special relationship in mind. There is a menacing bunch of pink peonies in the foreground and the angle is most unflattering to Mrs. Brown, who has the air of a woman very much in need of a stiff drink.”

No doubt the Brown’s personal assistant informed Mrs. Obama’s assistant of the gifts, and she ran to the gift store to scrape up something for the Brown’s. This is the equivalent, in my book, of running to your kitchen and grabbing a bag of spaghetti when an unexpected guest shows up at your door. Not grabbing the spaghetti, a colander, a jar of your favorite sauce, a new dish towel, and a fresh loaf of bread, and creating a fabulous gift basket, but grabbing a cheesy bag of spag. Except the Brown’s weren’t unexpected guests. And they had at least six hours of lead time, as the Brown’s crossed the Atlantic. Do you know what kind of gifts I could have whipped up in six hours?!

marine-oneIf they were that inconsiderate to prepare thoughtful gifts ahead of time, could they have at least grabbed a bunch of toys and gifts for the kids, and put together a nice gift pack? They have the whole White House gift store at their disposal…. they best they could come up with was a cheesy $15 Marine One Helicopter?

And same goes for Gordon and Sarah. Did you hear what Gordon Brown brought for Obama?

“Mr Brown’s gifts included an ornamental desk pen holder made from the oak timbers of Victorian anti-slaver HMS Gannet, once named HMS President.

Mr Obama was so delighted he has already put it in pride of place in the Oval Office on the Resolute desk which was carved from timbers of Gannet’s sister ship, HMS Resolute.

Another treasure given to the U.S. President was the framed commission for HMS Resolute, a vessel that came to symbolise Anglo-US peace when it was saved from ice packs by Americans and given to Queen Victoria.

Finally, Mr Brown gave a first edition set of the seven-volume classic biography of Churchill by Sir Martin Gilbert.”

Now, those are amazingly thoughtful and considerate gifts! And what did Obama give Brown?

“Gordon Brown has been given a collection of 25 classic American films on DVD as his official gift from Barack Obama.” I’m so friggin embarrassed. And to make matters worse, I bet Brown can’t even play the DVD’s. Do you think Obama bothered to check in which region the DVDs are formatted? Of all the things they could have scraped up in the Gift Shop, that was the best they could do?

How could they fail by such epic proportions here?

Anyway, this brings me back to wondering if this had anything to do with Kenya. According to the opinion of Baldilocks, a Lau American, it does indeed.

If you recall, before Kenya became Kenya (1963) it was a British colony known as British East Africa. Between 1952 and 1960, there was this little “difference of opinion” between the UK and the natives of British East Africa—primarily from the Kikuyu tribe. That conflict is known as the Mau Mau Uprising. There were tens of thousands of African civilians killed and, according to Wiki, seven to ten thousand Africans interned by the British colonial masters. In Dreams from My Father, President Obama says that his grandfather was tortured by the British during the conflict, though he was not a Kikuyu but a Luo. Guess which prime minister ordered the Mau Mau insurgency to be put down.

Mystery solved. It seems that the president is seeking to humiliate the progeny of those who humiliated his ancestors. Revenge isn’t that complicated a motive.

However, a question remains. Is this any way for a President of the United States to behave?”

Doesn’t the President of the United States swear to protect, preserve and defend the Constitution of the United States, not engage in personal politics? Is he acting in the best interests of the US? Is he right, or wrong here? I don’t think this is any way for the POTUS to behave.

And I would just like to add that I have not forgotten the outpouring of support, and the sacrifices that England made for us, after 9/11. And as far as this American is concerned, they are still a valued ally.

Obama is set to meet the Queen next month. I wonder what he plans on bring her? A White House mouse pad? Or maybe a White House baseball cap…she does wear hats, after all. While there, the Brown’s will be hostinig them for a dinner party at their home on Downing Street. I hope they serve beenie weenies.

  • kat in your hat

    from HillBuzz:

    “UPDATE: A very good question has been asked: Did the Obamas bother to check if the DVDs would play in the UK? Downing Street and the White House so far won’t say. The UK Telegraph is pressuring Gordon Brown’s office to confirm if Obama’s staff bought the right Region Coded DVDs for the Browns.

    If so, we’d be amazed, since UK coded DVDs aren’t sold at Best Buy; they would have needed to special order those ahead of time, through Amazon or some other purveyer.”

    http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2009/03/06/the-british-are-even-angrier-at-obama-today-too-bad-they-were-all-so-gullible-since-june/

    ^^^
    “VIA UK Telegraph

    Today, they’re calling him “rudeness personified”.

    They say his rudeness to Gordon Brown was “appalling”.

    And they’re outraged over the DVD box set Obama gave Brown, because, as they note, they “have television and video stores over here”.

  • Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo

    Also, The Obama’s got Brown’s kids models of the stupid helicopter that Obama flies around in….also conveniently located in the White House gift shop.

    Brian Sussamann at KSFO has been all over this story today. He’s gathering ideas of what to send the Browns, along with an apology on behalf of the American people for our UK hating/white person hating President

  • Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo

    Short answer: They don’t have UK coded DVD’s at the White House Gift Shop……

  • sandi78

    There’s no reason for the Queen to meet them. It’s not a State visit. She should tell them she’s busy.

    Gordon Brown needs to watch that scene in Love Actually where the British PM tells the American Pres. that he’s a bully.

  • Baba Rum Raisin

    The Brits mistreated my acnestors in Scotland 360 years ago, too, but I don’t feel the need to moon the Queen when I’m in the UK.

  • cathnealon

    DVD’s? They were probably bootlegs from his Chicago buddies–oh well, at least his treatment of Brown shows BO for what he is-an angry toddler getting even.

  • HARP

    When he visits Britain……I hope Brown serves him “spotted dick”.

    http://www.englishteastore.com/cak004.html

  • AngryWhitePerson

    The Obamas are completely classless and crass. These gaffe-a-minute newbies are creating national incidents with each move they make. Everyone pays the price for these idiots.

  • Babs

    Money and power do not automatically equate to dignity, grace, and class. The Obamas story of a “second Camelot” seems to have disappeared from the MSM message, have you noticed? Wonder why? I don’t.

  • MrMike

    After the finger incident and the rushing off the shoulder bit, did you really expect the Obamas to exhibit any class?

  • MrMike

    A waffle no butter no syrup.

  • Donna Brazile

    Actually HARP he might “like” that:-)

    Stop the lovefest!

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Oh man, those links led me to this story too… it seems Brown is nearly blind.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/3178318/Gordon-Browns-eyesight-is-causing-concern-among-aides.html

    It just couldn’t get any worse!

  • MrMike

    I expect to see a photo of one of Axlerods minions groping a cardboard cutout of the Queen.

  • Ferd Berfle

    You have to hand it to That One. He found a way to piss off our closest ally without saying a word. He is a loose cannon and a disgrace to our great nation. Every time he acts, thinks, or speaks, he weakens this nation just that much more. Strawberry was correct–he needs to shut up. But he also needs to stop thinking and acting. He should just have his parties, eat arugula until he bursts at the seams, and have Ludacris over for some Shlitz.

    Let Biden run the country as he couldn’t screw it up any worse,

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Yes, I wrote about it in the story above. I even posted a picture of the helicopters. And listed the price. And linked to the WH gift shop. ;O)

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    I love that movie.

  • Donna Brazile

    Soon Americans won’t be able to say English Muffin.

    He’s OBush I tell ya.

    Stop the lovefest.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    I would at least expect better of their assistants… hahaha

  • wodiej

    Obama is just an total and complete ASS, that’s all there is to it.

    As far as the “unflattering” pic of Mrs. Brown, British people tend be more reserved so I wouldn’t necessarily call her pic unflattering, in Britain, that is normal.

  • jbjd

    AGI, now you’ve gone and done it, made me cry. Just when I think I am holding up quite well, fighting the good fight, you pulled me right back into the post-election miasma. Give me a minute…

  • Docelder

    Or, maybe Mechelle greeting the Queen with a knuckle bump gesture.

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    The Obamas’ behavior is inexcusable. Now if you think Baldilocks is correct, that would be one example of why the US is only supposed to have a natural born citizen for prez (both parents citizens and born on US soil)–divided loyalties create problems.

    If you think it’s just selfishness and/or stupidity, then we should all be ashamed of the Obamas. The people of the UK deserve so much more respect shown to their representatives. The bust part of it is completely unforgivable. What a disgrace.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    that was a british story, i was quoting them. I didn’ think it particularly bad, but they sure did…

  • lark

    His mother in law would know all about protocol, why not take her advice.

    I think it’s called ‘cultural diversity,’ no?

  • Ferd Berfle

    Me-chelle is classless enough to probably try it and then complain when the Queen doesn’t respond in kind. Christ, the collective mortification of such an inappropriate act.

  • Moss’s Soup Kitchen

    Events are quite obvious to me.
    Obama cares about as much for the Anglo-American alliance as he does for the entrepreneurs and wealth creators in this country.
    Obama to do list
    Destroy existing economy…Done
    Bankrupt and disenfranchise the middle class..In the process
    Concentration of power through manipulation of the census and expanding voter rolls with illegals..Final preparations..

    Now what’s on the agenda

    New alliances at the expense of existing vital national security relationships.
    Obama wants an alliance with the 57 and Britain and Israel both get in the way of his plans.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    was it the video? i was looking for something today to post in the story, and totally started blathering like a baby when I watched that.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    huh? are you saying the MIL recommended videos because of cultural diversity? you lost me. haha

  • Ferd Berfle

    This trip of Oblahblah’s is going to be like the Beverly Hillbillies’ episode where the Clampetts went to England, except it won’t be funny and the Clampetts were a lot brighter.

    Fabersham

  • MrMike

    I think that Gordon Brown and his government are on the way out so Obama probably figured he didn’t have to waste his time. Sad really, even Bush had a modicum of class.

  • Babs

    The Obamas are so busy availing themselves of the advantages of the office they forget there are also responsibilities connected to that office. Lack of personal responsibility, where have I heard that before?

  • Idiocracy08

    Have you ever seen “Be Kind, Rewind” with Jack Black? It was probably one of those movies!

  • bart

    You know, the WH has protocol officers and people whose business it is to know exactly what kind of gifts would be appropriate.

    Either these people were not consulted or their advice was ignored.

    Wonder why? Tacky, tacky, tacky.

  • Kim

    Money and fame can buy a lot of things, but they can’t buy class. It was incredibly poor judgement and bad manners for the Obamas to have treated Prime Minister Brown and his family that way. Great Britain is one of the few countries we can count on, but all that may have gone into the toilet now. Good going President Obama.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Damn, now I need to rinse my brain. Oof.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    you think someone would have known that Gordon Brown is blind in one eye, and almost blind in the other…

  • Idiocracy08

    And the Queen would be a racist.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Soon Americans won’t be able to say English Muffin.

    And if That One screws up the economy any worse, we won’t be able to buy them, either.

  • athena

    Me too. Watch it every Christmas. All I want for Christmas is youuuuuuuu and not more Obama!

  • andrew191

    Oddly, the first thing that came to my mind regarding the kind of gift our President might give the Queen, was an image of the leader of the dwindling free world casually handing the Queen an Obama bobble-head doll. God save the Queen.

  • TeakwoodKite

    (one of our closest allies, said with little sincerity or passion) left a bitter taste with this Atlanticist.

    The picture of Mrs. Brown and MO; The irony of a name. It is a picture of MO and Mrs. Brown was incidental in the frame. (oops)

    Mr Brown gave a first edition set of the seven-volume classic biography of Churchill by Sir Martin Gilbert.”

    .Just WOW! But after a second or two, it sinks in (sadly,once again) that the only thing BO can read is posted on a teleprompter.

    We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give.

    .

    Sir Winston Churchill

  • Docelder

    You know, I would be able to handle Jed Clampett as President. What he lacked in sophistication he made up for with honesty and values. That One… not so much.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Yeah, all the while bitterly clinging to her crown jewels.

  • Elizabeth

    And it isn’t only Britain. The Obama gift on the first state visit, to Prime Minister of Aso of Japan, was at least as generic and self-absorbed : a crystal figurine in the shape of an eagle with the president’s seal and signature.

    He was given in return a set of fitting presents that were chosen for their personal appeal : a pair of chopsticks made in the city of Obama, and a basketball jersey with “Obama” on the back, while Michelle got a sudoku game.

    Maybe being the honor of the initial White House visitors was supposed to be sufficient…

  • Lyn

    The also have a Toy Airforce 1 for 15 bucks too, they could at least have given each boy a different 2 instead of 2 helecopters.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Indeed. What That One lacks in honesty and values he won’t make up for with money and power.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Dang, Ferd – I have a post on the whole gift thing, and at the end, I said I was trying to get the Beverly Hillbillies’ theme song out of my head. I finally succeeded, and now you just put it back IN!!! :-)

    It is simple – the Obamas have no sense of decorum, and are too self-centered to even care.

  • Ferd Berfle

    a crystal figurine in the shape of an eagle with the president’s seal and signature.

    That was no eagle, it was a chicken coming home to roost.

  • Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo

    Freedom Muffins!!

    But obviously the aids went with the DVD’s when they realized the gift shop was out of Chia Obamas..

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    they could have given them one of everything in the gift store! or at least a whole packet of goodies, t-shirts, hats, toys, books, games… One cheezy toy that will break in 10 minutes is just embarrasseing!

    OH my god, It just dawned on me!!! Obama is getting a NEW Marine One! They probably gave the kids those toys because they are going to be discontinued! They probably have a new version of the helicopter coming out!

  • Janice

    For God’s sake – are you so desparate that you go to the British tabloids and the Obama-hate bloggers to get this information???

    This is just ridiculous – your whole post is based on OPINIONS, totally slanted to look negatively on the White House. They cancelled a press conf due to snow – maybe not the most kosher thing to do, but, really, so what!

    Gifts to the kids??? a sleezy dress from Kate Moss’s line for Obama’s kids-that’s classy???? Maybe Michelle should have knitted the kids some goofy hats???

    Seriously, I cannot believe you take these articles from dubious sources and post them as fact.
    Congress gave a very warm reception to the PM and his awarding of knighthood to Ted Kennedy was wildly cheered – oh, but that doesn’t count, cause Ted backed Obama, so we know where you put that story.

    There are other things to concentrate on now – this is so typically a media event made for a slow news day.

  • Ferd Berfle

    LOL.

    Fabersham,

    RRRA.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    hehehe THAT would have been hilarious!

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    Amy – you should add to the story that the helicopters are the old model toys. Remember, Obama is getting a new batch of helis for $13Billion. I betcha they will be getting new toys in, to match the new helicopter…

  • Ferd Berfle

    You don’t read very well and have no understanding of decorum. The Oblahblahs are ungracious hosts and have no class. Is that plain enough for you?

  • jbjd

    That about says it all.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    I do too!

  • Lyn

    I thought since the boys were born UK citizens (like Barky) it would have cute to give them the future President Tshirts too :)

  • FLDemFem

    Here is an idea for presents for the Browns. He is apparently a history buff who loves to read, but has eye trouble. I would have gotten him a first edition, signed, of a recent well-written book on American history. The one on LBJ comes to mind. And being mindful of his eye problems, the books would have been accompanied by the audio version so he could listen to them without straining his eyes further. For Mrs. Brown, I would have gotten a nice piece of jewelry, a pin with rubies, sapphire and diamonds, small ones, to signify the connection between our countries through the colors of our respective flags. A pin like that can be found for under $200 quite easily. Some jewelry stores will design and give the pin for the mention of the store when the press reports the gift. Or do it for cost, since it’s for the country, so to speak. The Obamas are showing that although you can take the homie out of the ‘hood, you can’t take the ‘hood out of the homie. Tacky, tacky, tacky is the only possible description of the way the Obamas treated the Browns.

  • Ferd Berfle

    We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give.

    Now Churchill was an orator.

    That One has made his life by taking, apparently.

  • leslie

    They cancelled the press conference due to the SNOW !!!
    Wasn’t it Dear Leader who criticized the D.C schools for closing when there was a snow storm???
    Wasn’t it Precious POTUS who said he would have to teach D.C. how to be tough???

    PLEASE !!! you don’t cancel a press conference (with the White House press corps) because of snow – unless you are rude.

    He is RUDE. And I’ve seen his arrogance and rudeness in the first person.

  • leslie

    BTW, Janice ~
    Congress and Obama are two different entities – just in case you were in doubt.

  • jbjd

    Yes; it was the video, sentiment exacerbated by the juxtaposition of this scene evincing the intrinsic loyalty of the Brits at this desperate hour and the depraved callow interpersonal conduct exhibited by the Obamas. (But really, thank you for the article.)

  • Lyn

    What does how well Congress treated him, have anything to do with the Obama’s lack of class?

  • FLDemFem

    That brings to mind something James Clavell had the Taipan say in the book, “Taipan”. The Taipan was a Scotsman, and once when talking to a snotty Englishman he said “Well, we got tired of stealing your cattle, so in 1603 we moved south and took the whole country.” He was, of course, referring to the accession of James I of England. As someone with a lot of Scots ancestry, I always found that amusing.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    LOL – good point! He’s getting a BUNCH of them, right? Heaven only knows why he needs so many…And for that cost.

    But hey – he likes those perks!

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    they gave dvds to a guy who is going blind, that can’t be played on their UK DVD player.

    they gave cheap ass toys from the wh gift shop to the kids.

    I don’t need to read anyones opinions on that to know it was STUPID and THOUGHTLESS.

    If you have other things to concentrate on, then go concentrate on them, and leave me the f*ck alone. You have better things to do? Go do them! You are the one who comes here and screams and bitches and defends your chosen one, and then complain that I am wasting your time. Go the hell away!

  • Jules

    You are exactly right. NO. CLASS.

  • leslie

    Yeah, all the while bitterly clinging to her crown jewels.

    and knitting the “girls” their gifts from the UK.

  • FLDemFem

    What Obummer fails to realize is that until Brown is out, he represents the British nation. And as such, he is entitled to respect and good manners. Apparently Obummer’s grandmother failed to teach him that good manners are for everyone, all the time.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    I was just going to add that. :O)

  • TeakwoodKite

    Ferd, G’day mate.TGIF.
    Now I am gonna have nightmares of the head of Winston Churchill wandering the hinterland….

    Like in “Poltergeist”…

    Tangina: Now clear your minds. It knows what scares you. It has from the very beginning. Don’t give it any help, it knows too much already.

    The head is out there…

  • andrew191

    Wow AGI, what’s this post in response to? I would love to support you in your outrage.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    :O)

  • Obamastolemyboyfriend

    That video brought me to tears. I’ve shed many tears in the last year and a half. What 9/11 didn’t do, Obama will finsh. America is under attack right now from within.

    WHAT THE HELL HAVE AMERICAN VOTERS DONE????

  • leslie

    DVD’s? They were probably bootlegs from his Chicago buddies

    that is exactly what I was thinking…exactly.

  • FLDemFem

    Rumor has it that that order is going to be cancelled. Which won’t make the British very happy, since they are the ones building them. That’s going to cost Britain some jobs right there.

  • Anna

    Point of information: The Telegraph is not a tabloid; it’s a respected daily (though not a left-wing one). The Washington Post is not a tabloid, either.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Nicely done, AGII.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    I just read today that the order is now going to cost $13 Billion, and still happening. The only reason it was thought to *maybe be* cancelled was because McCain called Obama out on it, and Obama said he was *looking into it*.

    http://www.stargazette.com/article/20090306/UPDATE/303060032

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    in response to janice, and her constant personal attacks.

  • Ferd Berfle

    As the obamabots get all their news from DK and HuffnPuffPo, they don’t understand the first thing about the printed word. A single glance at their comments, such as that above, confirms that they can’t read and if they could, would have no comprehension, anyway.

  • andrew191

    Never mind AGI, when your post first appeared it was without the posting of the always lovely Janice with her usual toxic drivel.

  • Anna

    Excuse me, have you ever had arugula? It would take an awful lot to burst at the seams.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    it is stunning, really, how desperately they cling to him, they can’t even acknowledge something so simple and obvious as a HUGE etiquette faux pas.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Prime Minister: Whenever I get gloomy with the state of the world, I think about the arrivals gate at Heathrow Airport. General opinion’s starting to make out that we live in a world of hatred and greed, but I don’t see that. It seems to me that love is everywhere. Often, it’s not particularly dignified or newsworthy, but it’s always there – fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, husbands and wives, boyfriends, girlfriends, old friends. When the planes hit the Twin Towers, as far as I know, none of the phone calls from the people on board were messages of hate or revenge – they were all messages of love. If you look for it, I’ve got a sneaking suspicion… love actually is all around.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    perhaps she would be happy with a bunch of Dems bashing Rush posts, like the kind the MSM are busy with? We can talk about all of Gibbs press conferences discussing Rush… now there is time well spent.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    oh man, i love that film.

  • Ferd Berfle

    That One has plenty of time on his hands, especially since he can’t be bothered to do any real work. I’m sure between the Schlitz and arugula and lots of free time, he could find a way.

  • felizarte

    She may just be trying to earn her “$5 per completed conversation.” I read that’s what new troll recruits are being paid.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    :OD

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    they’re not worth it! haha

  • snosandy

    Janice above.

  • The Real HC

    I was absolutely mortified by “giftgate”. The Obama’s are crass and obnoxious.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Frankly, I’m at a loss to explain their (dogmatic) adoration of That One. It really has the look and sound of a serious cult, with all the associated problems for society at large. This is a rather unnerving development.

  • Seattle Moss

    America is under attack right now from within.

    Obama is the gatekeeper.
    The drones elected the One based on Idolatry worship and now are facing along with us the horrible fact that Obama has let the America hating socialists in through the front door.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Is not the Office of Protocol staffed yet? Or did BO abscond that within 1600 and is run by Jay-z? Or is it just that Hillary being set up?

    Office of the Chief of Protocol

    Under the direction of the Acting Chief of Protocol Gladys Boluda and the Deputy Chiefs of Protocol, the office is responsible for activities including the planning, hosting, and officiating of ceremonial events for visiting chiefs of state and heads of government, as well as coordinating logistics for the visits; managing Blair House, the President’s guesthouse; and overseeing all protocol matters for Presidential or Vice Presidential travel abroad, working alongside the White House.

    .

  • sandi78

    I love it too, we watch it all year round!

  • leslie

    I love that movie…
    You really got to me with that quote.

    I need to watch it just as soon as I pick up my daughter tonight..

  • sandi78

    Especially appropriate because Gordon Brown is Scottish.

  • chris from Chicago

    “Doesn’t the President of the United States swear to protect, preserve and defend the Constitution of the United States, not engage in personal politics? Is he acting in the best interests of the US? Is he right, or wrong here? I don’t think this is any way for the POTUS to behave.”

    I AGREE 1000%
    This is a perfect example of why it is necessary to have ONLY a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN being able to be POTUS. There are no other allegiances…Country always comes first! and Since Obama is not a natural born citizen of this country..in this particular case his allegiance is to his Native Kenya, a country he should be deported to!!!

  • TeakwoodKite

    Yeah but a least she “can hip-hop, be-bop, dance till ya drop, and yo yo yo, make a mean cup of coco.”

    MO? not so much.

  • Patience

    Oh God, that Buckingham Palace video brought back a rush of feelings. I cried as hard just now as I did when I saw it right after 9/11.

    Shameful story. Simply humiliating. The FLOTUS could use some tutoring in social skills — I’ll never forget her refusal to acknowledge the Clintons at the Inaugural church service.

    Maybe her acronym should be changed to FBOTUS.

  • lark

    I think so.

  • imustprotest

    Those Obamas…..one class act.

  • FLDemFem

    As long as he doesn’t call her “Sweetie”. Sigh.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Yeah, their aspirations for first class status keep bumping into their low-class attitudes.

  • lark

    Chavez may invite himself in for a visit to Washington out of sympathy or perhaps familiarity.

  • Seattle Moss

    As Fidel is a mentor to Chavez is a mentor to Obama.

  • socalannie

    My God, what an embarrassment. No clue, no class. He’s been president what…6 weeks? Its going to be a long 4 years.

    Sara, this is a great article. One of your best! Thank you!

  • rw

    A single glance at their comments, such as that above, confirms that they can’t read and if they could, would have no comprehension, anyway.-

    lol

  • Andy

    The POTUS is supposed to represent us, the US; not his petty and out of order grievances… What an embarrassment.

    And those pseudo-gifts for the Gordons? Humiliating…

  • elise

    Janice, I’m not into conspiracies and don’t comment on the issue of Obama’s place of birth as a general rule. However, this would be a perfect example of why the founders insisted the POTUS be natural born and have no greater allegiance than to this country and the constitution. A president doesn’t have the luxury of personal animosities which might interfere with the best interests of the country. In this case there are two possible explanations for the gaffe. Ignorance of protocol or petty vindictiveness. There is an officer of protocol assigned to the White House whose job description includes making sure heads of state are not insulted. We need our allies.

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    …or get an itchy face.

  • JustMe

    TELL THAT TO THE BRITS JANICE NEXT TIME WE GO OFF TO WAR TELL U WHAT U WILL GET FROM THE FRENCH???? YOU WILL GET THE AGGRESSORS SAT ON YOUR DOORSTEP THAT IS WHAT THE FRENCH DID IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR!!!
    LET THE GREMANS WALK RIGHT IN

    SHIT I am not surprised they never built a FEET OF SHIPS FOR THE NAZIS TO COME RIGHT ON OVER TO ENGLAND..

    GET A GRIP LADY!

  • JustMe

    I hope brown does not have time to meet with him when he flies over the pond he’s off to meet Blair when he arrives I hope brown calls in sick the rest of the week and Blair is man enough to say should met the man at #10 FIRST….

    Only Obama can be this foolish…

  • lorac

    Oh, that was excellent! LOL

  • JustMe

    LOL your all so funny hell she will be wanting to rifle through Dianas cast offs..

    LOL Mr Mike

  • JustMe

    Oh I expect there either in Oxfam by now or handed down to the maids kids…
    That is if they ever arrived back to the UK in one piece….

  • C.S.

    This country is 230 years old and we’ve had a lot of presidents, ambassador and dignitaries over those years meet a lot of presidents, prime ministers and kings and queens but all of them practiced basic protocol. And we’ve had some fairly common folk doing it. So what stopped the Obamas from calling on the protocol department for a little quick tutoring before they met their first foreign visitor representing a friendly nation since they had so little experience giving gifts.

    Let’s hope both of them get a crash course in royal protocol before they meet the Queen because she’s still miffed over GWB’s gouache behavior during his State visit. Great way to start out, insulting our friends…wonder how he plans to treat our enemies.

    And will someone on staff please tell them to do their shopping somewhere other than the White House Souvenir shop.

  • gonzotx

    Are you kidding me Janice? Are you that drunk on koolaid that you can not see what a horrible slap in the face to Britain this was?

    Britain has given it’s sons and daughters to help in our causes and been our closet ally.

    Grow up

    Start your detox program ASAP. Your very life depends on it!

  • JustMe

    I can say next time we go for help from the UK people will be in the streets there giving the V sign to Obama and as u all may know the V sign is not for Victory in the UK.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Gladys Boludagreets PM Brown at 1600.

    States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, Tabion v. Mufti, 73 F.3d 525 (4th Cir. 1996).
    The Court received a letter from the Embassy of Argentina that was filed in this case by order of the undersigned on October 13, 2006. The letter from the Embassy included with it a letter from Gladys Boluda, Assistant Chief of Protocol for the United States Department of State, dated September 25, 2006. The letter from Ms. Boluda certifies the status of Mr. Vila as a national of Argentina and a diplomatic agent at the Embassy of Argentina in the United States. She further certified that the Embassy of Argentina identified Ms. Nielsen as a national of Argentina and Mr. Vila’s spouse residing in his household.

    .

  • I’m a Linda too

    The Arrogant One is embarrassing our country at every possible turn.

  • Janice

    1. He is not blind and can see TV and film
    2. the DVD’s, though I admit were not given with much thought, are really a cultural symbol of this country – what else are we known for but ‘hollywood’. they were specially put together by the American Film Institute for the White House – so we may be seeing more of these sets go out the door with an International guest.
    3. Obama is not my chosen one by a long shot. I’m not so much defending him as I am attacking the topic of this post – as I said, I think there are more important things to discuss. You are not wasting my time, American Girl, never said you were. I wouldn’t be reading no quarter if it was a waste of time. Just think the topics could be more relevant and less hatred of the President.
    4, the following is taken from an AP article from Jan 2007 about gifts that PM Tony Blair had received over the years:

    “Britain’s cherished relationship with the U.S. has not seen the two countries’ leaders lavish each other with luxuries. Although former President Bill Clinton famously gave Blair a pair of cowboy boots, Blair has only received a holdall bag and a set of silver beakers from President Bush, records show.”

    Brown was definitely classier on this one, but I don’t think it ranks as the end of diplomacy between the two countries.

    Finally, I apologize AGI, I didn’t think i was really screaming or bitching at you. Typical response from you though – disagree so get out and don’t come back. I’m gone.

  • Gary McGowan

    I wonder where a new President’s protocol people come from. Anyway, there’s this:

    The Obama administration is firmly supporting passage of the Stop Tax Haven Abuse Act [Senate bill S-506][1] to force the disclosure and taxation of tax-evading income–some $13 trillion in United Kingdom offshore centers, Switzerland, and Luxembourg. (In 2006, Senator Obama co-sponsored with Sen. Levin anti-tax evasion legislation.)

    Senator Carl Levin (D-MI) said March 3, “President Obama’s support for [this Senate bill], as announced by Treasury Secretary Geithner [the same day], is very welcome news and greatly improves the chances of an offshore tax bill becoming law this year.”[2]

    Brown wanted the press conference to push British global bank bailout schemes. His last visit to the U.S. was late Sept. 2008, to New York (George Soros and other financiers, and Tim Geithner, then head of the NY branch of the Federal Reserve) and Washington (Bush at the White House). The September 26, 2008 Times of London reported, “If the British banks tap the rescue fund, … they could secure one quarter of the $700 billion being made available.” We have since learned that the Bush/Paulson bailout also served to bail out many foreign interests, and was pushed through Congress with threats and trickery.

    The London Guardian reported March 4 that The Obama administration support of disclosure of “secret banking jurisdictions” set the Obama administration “on a real collision course with Gordon Brown.” The Guardian said the Levin Senate legislation “is a severe blow to Jersey, the Cayman Islands, and Switzerland, where $13 trillion in untaxed private wealth has gone.” The article did not mention that Gordon Brown was at one time called “the tax evaders’ Chancellor” for his protection of the offshore UK money centers from regulation or disclosure, and his opposition to regulation of the City of London banks.

    [1] http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=308949

    [2] http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=269479

  • PO’dVet

    One thing I see that no-one has touched on yet. Does anyone actually think the Obama’s forked out the cash for the toys? I’d be willing to bet, that some poor unpaid intern had to take that $ out of their own pocket for them, and they will probably never be paid back. Thats also dismissing the simple fact, that while 5 yr old John might appreciate a helicopter as a fun gift. It is certainly not an age appropriate gift for 2 yr old James!

    Now if they had any class, they would have given appropriate gifts that would have touched the hearts of the British people for their thoughtfulness. Maybe something like…a donation to the Piggy Bank Kids charity that Mrs Brown started after their daughter died at only 10 days of age in 2000. And how about the Disney Classics Box set of 132 classic Disney DVD’s available in the appropriate PAL format for a lousy $186!

    Now just to put this lack of etiquette into perspective. I knew nothing about Gordon Brown or his family 30 minutes ago. I researched, and found appropriate gifts while sitting here typing this post in that amount of time. And I’m a High School drop out who got a GED while in the Navy…don’t tell me I have more brains and class than anyone working for the President. Though it is obvious I have more brains and class than he does himself!

  • Janice

    These helicopters were ordered after 9/11 due to the fact that the ones presently being used are from the 60′s and need to be replaced. Obama had nothing to do with this order. The first batch won’t be delivered until the middle of 2012 – the balance in 2019. So, if you get your wish, Obama will not be using them for very long.

    Just wanted to trim the spin off your post.

  • sandi78

    He is completely blind in one eye and has very poor vision in the other. So, no, he’s not totally blind. He does have very poor vision.

    How do you know he can see tv? Or film?

  • Texas Rose

    At least Michele wore a decent outfit that didn’t display her armpits when she met with Mrs. Brown. For some reason, Michele loves to flash her armpits.

  • JustMe

    janice here read

    British prime minister Gordon Brown would have gone almost blind but for a surgical intervention by an Indian doctor 38 years ago.

    According to a report in The Times on Monday, after four decades as a barely acknowledged footnote in Brown’s career, Dr Hector Chawla has spoken at length, for the first time, about the procedure that saved the future prime minister’s sight.

    Dr Chawla, who was born in Sialkot in pre-partition India to a Scottish mother and an Indian father serving in the British army during World War II, said, “The story in most of the biographies is that he had four operations, which left him with partial sight in one eye.”

    http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/dec/24gordon.htm

    Then this
    Gordon Brown’s eyesight is causing concern among aides
    Gordon Brown is struggling with increasing problems due to his partial sight, it has emerged.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/3178318/Gordon-Browns-eyesight-is-causing-concern-among-aides.html

  • Ciarda

    And remember Winston Churchill loved his mother dearly and his mother was an American. Clearly the British were trying to make a nice gesture, drawing on the symbolic similarities between Churchill and Obama- both having American mothers and British citizen fathers.

  • Just Me

    Do a bit of checking, Janice…..

    Not only were the DVDs cheap, and classless, as a gift to a head-0f-state,

    The Brits, as other Europeans, use PAL as their format.
    We use NTSC.
    They are not compatible!

    Perhaps Brown has multi-sytem units, as I do, however, I doubt seriously if such consideration was any part of the lame choice made by Obama and/or his staff.

  • Just Me

    Just for the record JustME and Just Me are 2 different posters.

    Do not know which of us was here first, nor does it matter.

    I am Just Me.

    However, I think both of us are basically on the same wave-length regarding most posts. Though style and language may vary.

  • JozefAL

    Janice, the DVDs were not a very smart move UNLESS the DVDs were SPECIFICALLY coded to play on ALL DVD players. If you’d look at the back of any DVD package, you’ll find a number (generally superimposed on on an image of the world) which indicates WHERE the DVD can be played. This number is the DVD region code and means that the DVD cannot be played outside the specific region represented by the number.
    A number 1 means the DVD is only playable in the US, Canada, Bermuda and US territories.
    A number 2 is for Europe, South Africa, the Middle East and Japan. (And in the UK, DVD players are REQUIRED to be set for Code 2, meaning they can’t play Region 1 DVDs typically sold in the US.)
    A 0 is widely used for DVDs which can be played on most DVD players. (Some DVDs use the term “ALL” to represent the same thing, but there is a bit of a difference.)
    In short, if the DVDs that Obama gave as a gift are coded with a 1, Mr Brown cannot enjoy his gift.

  • Just Me

    Sorry added an erroneous cap.

    JustME should have been JustMe.

  • Karma

    How exactly do you ‘trim spin’ if it was info included within her link?

    “The first batch of nine aircraft – ordered after the 2001 terrorist attacks – has been delayed 18 months to the middle of fiscal 2012. The remainder of the new fleet would be operational by the end of fiscal 2019, two years later than previously estimated.”

    In fact, everything you wrote was available from her link.

    “Massa noted that the current presidential helicopter is essentially the same as the ones his father flew for the Navy in the early 1960s. The Navy has retired that fleet of military helicopters except for those used by the president.”

    Just trimming your spin. ;)

  • J.J. (The PUMA)

    Forget the damn gifts. The point is the intentional humiliation of an ally because of a personal issue with the Brits in Kenya. The larger problem is that Obama has cultural roots, including his years in Indonesia, that make him at some level loathing of Anglo culture.

  • Claire

    “The Obamas are showing that although you can take the homie out of the ‘hood, you can’t take the ‘hood out of the homie.”

    Seriously? The Obamas are from “the hood”? They are “homies”? Obama snubbed Gordon Brown (something that only right-leaning or right-wing newspapers who dislike both Brown and Obama are claiming) because he has Kenyan ancestry?

    You all have every right in the world to dislike Obama, to hate him even. But do try to stay away from referring to him as a “homie.” That really doesn’t make it sound like your issues with him are policy-based.

  • elise

    I’m not sure what your point is,Gary. If you think a public humiliation of a head of state is justifiable or a diplomatic way to protest the policies of another government, you can cut, paste and link as many times as you want, but it won’t get the US where it needs to be. Ok, so the Obama’s haven’t consulted the protocol office for appropriate gifts and Obama decided to insult the British by rejecting the bust of one of it’s most revered leaders and without explanation. That may anger them and lessen their respect for the Obama’s, but might not do any long term damage. However, not holding a press conference is far more serious since it sends a message to our other allies AND OUR ENEMIES that the president isn’t willing to stand side by side with the prime minister of our most faithful ally which undermines our diplomatic efforts in some important negotiations. Press conferences when a head of state visits is a not just a sign of respect. It illuminates the strength or weakness of the alliance. If Obama has issues with the past relationship between Churchill and Kenya, he should never have run for president. And if he is so arrogant, he feels he isn’t compelled to follow protocol regardless of whether or not he agrees with the policies, he isn’t fit to be president. Even my grandchild understands she must be polite to guests in our home whether she likes them or not. I’ve noticed he really enjoys chastising people, frowning and raising his voice. Antagonizing friends is not the way to reach a consensus on what needs to be done to keep the US from economic failure and bankruptcy. I have my own theory on the press conference. He would have had to answer questions off the cuff from the US and UK press and wouldn’t have been able to take his teleprompter.

  • elise

    Sorry, Clair. I first read this story on msn. Of course they claim it was the snow, as if the only place for a press conference is outside the White House and there wasn’t that much snow anyway. I’m not conversant with gangsta culture, but I assume it probably is related to his friendship with certain rap artists and hand gestures Obama has been known to use. I have plenty of issues with him which are “policy” based and some of the issues I have with him are based on his arrogance and dishonesty. But, the issues raised in this post are related to what is good for our relationships with other countries, allies or otherwise. How will he gain the confidence of the next leader and the one after that and the next if he is rude and disrespectful to them as well? It may make him feel good to spit in the face of the world, but I hope he won’t be offended when they turn their backs on him and us.

  • noname

    “Top Shop dresses (with matching necklaces)” – Hey, The British choice seems average. Quite frankly, The matching necklaces haven’t been top of line or kind of craze, the British prime minister could have choosed a contrast for Obama daughters!

  • elise

    noname, at least if you pick out dresses you have to consider style, size and color in addition a selection of books by a British author. A first edition volume of rare, collectible book, a pen holder made from the wood of a British anti-slavery ship, a framed commission from the same ship. No dinner, no trip to Camp David, no press conference. Not even lunch. Two cheap toys from the White House Gift Shop and a stack of DVDs. Returning the bust of Churchill declining the offer to keep it in the White House another four years. I exchanged Christmas gifts years ago with a co-worker. I didn’t know the woman well, but I went to a high end department store and bought a set of bath items including shower gel, luffa and body lotion. She gave me kitchen tool I had seen advertised on TV for $19.95 +shc and she didn’t even give me the freebies that came with it. I’m sure she was sending me a message just as I’m sure Obama was doing. Office politics is one thing, international diplomacy is another. If this wasn’t deliberate, these are the dumbest hicks to ever occupy the White House.

  • elise

    noname, at least when you buy dresses you have to give some thought to style, color and size, In addition there was a pen holder from the wood of an anti-slavery ship, a framed commission from another, the first volume of a rare book collection. In exchange? Two $15 toys from the White House Gift Shop and a set of DVDs. No dinner, no trip to Camp David, no press conference not even lunch. And returning a bust of one of the greatest British heros worth hundreds of thousands of dollars after being offered to let it remain in the White House for another four years. Of course it was a deliberate insult and since the UK has been a good friend to the US, there has to be another reason and if it has anything to do with Kenya, Obama should resign because he is letting his loyalty to another country trump what is best for our country.

  • Claire

    Elise: You have every right to dislike Obama, but I think you are letting that dislike blind you a bit in this particular instance. The only people seriously complaining about a “snub” of Brown are various right-leaning and right-wing newspapers who dislike both Brown and Obama–more objective sources on both sides of the Atlantic say the event was fine.

    Really, the reaction to this visit on some people’s parts reminds me of how people used to (and still do sometimes) react to Hillary’s behavior in social situations: “OMG she’s so icy and aloof, she’s so arrogant, acting like she’s better than everyone.” I never could understand it, and I don’t understand now why people are reacting so oddly to this diplomatic visit.

    Basically, it seems like if you dislike them and want to see negative qualities in them, you will. Human nature, I suppose.

    But honestly, the number of people on here who are referring to Obama as a “homie” or questioning his birthplace or suggesting that maybe he’s too foreign and therefore doesn’t like “Anglo” culture or that maybe he’s putting Kenya ahead of the US is a little disturbing and more what I would expect from a true right-wing website. I am sure that you do have legitimate policy or character issues with Obama, and that is totally fine, but there is a definite flavor of xenophobia to some of these comments.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    because you have a habit of attacking me personally, and I don’t appreciate your *goofy knit hats* comment, at all. I love people that disagree and debate. You were just rude.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    thanks! :OD

  • PainkillerJayne

    lmao Ferd…….I love your wit and humor

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    I agree with you on the language, and I think you will notice that I did not say that, and the comment was removed.

  • Georgia

    Wonder what his gift will be?

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    First, that is not true. All media outlets were discussing the cancelled press conference, and what that means/what signals it sends. And if any liberal media chooses to ignore the story, are you surprised? They ignore MOST negative stories on Obama.

    And read this:
    London aghast at President Obama over gifts given to Prime Minister Brown
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/06/2009-03-06_london_aghast_at_president_obama_over_gi.html

    “Silver Spring, Maryland: Since you brought up Churchill do you think President Obama dissed the Brits this week by not having a joint news conference and not being totally lovey-dovey with PM Brown? Some have speculated that our Nation’s first African-American president is still carrying a grudge over the Brits’ role in starting the slave trade and colonizing Kenya. What do you think?

    Dana Milbank: I absolutely love the theory that Obama is punishing the Brits for the Mau-Mau rebellion.

    Mostly I think the White House didn’t realize how sensitive the British would be. They were quite rattled by Obama removing the Churchill bust from the Oval Office.”

    And it was Obama that wrote about the Mau Mau uprising in his book, and the torture of his grandfather.

    But, I agree, people need to watch sensitive name calling, and I only saw that happen once.

    There is certain protocol for all things Presidential, and Obama blew it. You can try all you want, but you can’t defend it.

  • CentralMass

    The order should have been placed with an American Helicopter Mfg..

  • ford

    Do you think BO will be giving Chavez 25 movies to watch? …how about a plastic helicopter for his child?

  • noname

    Thanks elise.
    I thought there was something funny about the times online story . The story didn’t mention the pen holder as thoughtfulness .It insisted the dresses and books :) No style, no color, no title…It found thoughtfulness and lovely gifts in matching necklace !
    One comment under the times story wondered, If Instead the Obama gift was more worthy , for it could be more symbolic in long term for the kids!

    Enjoyed reading your post, In addition to diplomatic concerns, you mentioned color, style and the pen holder . Thanks.

  • http://bloggingredneck.blogspot.com The Intellectual Redneck

    Does Obama dislike the British? The answer seems to be-Yes. He really dissed the British Prime Minister. That could not have been an accident. He has too many diplomatic advisers for that to occur. Read more here.
    Does Obama dislike the British?

  • Ferd Berfle

    2. the DVD’s, though I admit were not given with much thought, are really a cultural symbol of this country – what else are we known for but ‘hollywood’. they were specially put together by the American Film Institute for the White House – so we may be seeing more of these sets go out the door with an International guest.

    Cultural symbol? Oh, for Christ’s sake. A set of DVDs might be appropriate as Christmas or birthday gift for a friend or relative but not a visiting head of state. Moreover, you obamabots constantly confuse the word culture with fad.

    And thanks for leaving, toodles. We won’t miss you

  • Georgia
  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy
  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    That is an excellent article, thank you for posting!

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy
  • Sassy

    American Girl, thanks for the article regarding the “bust- up”! LOL!
    We commoners understand that a great deal rides on manners and protocol when it comes to international affairs.
    Who, in their right mind, thought the Obamas were ready after seeing their demeanor on the campaign trail?

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    hahahah

  • julia

    “The larger problem is that Obama has cultural roots, including his years in Indonesia, that make him at some level loathing of Anglo culture”

    And loathing of women, whites, etc

  • pm317

    Wow, 0bama should fire whoever proposed DVDs as a gift because they didn’t do their homework for him. It is really bad.

    From Americanthinker blog (before Obots say anything, the original article is from the Telegraph)

    Was Obama’s gift to PM Gordon Brown the calculated insult of the malignant narcissist gloating over someone else’s weakness? Brown was left blind in one eye after a accident and has been suffering diminished site in another. According to this story in the Telegraph.

    “You can’t understand Gordon if you don’t understand his fear that he could go blind at any moment,’ one friend said. “In public Gordon puts on a heroic performance, but there is always a cost.”

  • Woodhull

    Gary,

    Yes — this is a real concern and I understand your point. It’s not a little cathartic to chime in on the gift-giving gaffe, but we are doing it in the shadow of a much bigger fish, as it were.

    I do think, however, that there is something to be learned from what appears to be inconsequential. obama needs to speak directly and openly about the financial issues and not through the nonsense of failed protocol in a state visit.

    Unfortunately, most Americans (and I am one) have never understood or been apprised of the big picture of British banking interests insofar as the U.S. is concerned. If someone tried to lay it out for them, they wouldn’t believe it, anyway. I know. I’ve tried on several occassions to do just that.

    But do keep at it. This is the story that needs to be told.

  • Gary McGowan

    It’s my understanding that GW Bush accepted the Bust of Churchill from the U.K. government just after the Sept. 11 attacks. Churchill and Prescott Bush were both supporters of fascism.

    Tony Blair certainly played no small role, along with Dick Cheney, in our attack and occupation of Iraq, and what the British have been up to in Africa, Afghanistan and elsewhere certainly doesn’t qualify them (the government, not the British subjects) as having any “special relationship” with the ideals of the U.S.A. as expressed in the Declaration our Constitution.

    London’s Daily Telegraph, Feb.9, carried a headline “CIA Warns Barack Obama that British Terrorists Are the Biggest Threat to the U.S.” The U.S. intelligence community, or elements of same, now have a significant number of agents in Britain since the Mumbai massacre exposed the threat from Lashkar-e-Taiba, the group behind the attacks, which has an extensive network of support in the U.K. MI5 is not thrilled that the CIA is not sharing the names of all their sources in their work in the U.K.

    It goes on and on… search Ahmed Omar Sheikh, and ask yourself why the British government offered to shield him.

    PM Brown wasn’t invited, he came for his own political purposes. Nobody owed him a press conference.

    But, yes, Obama is inexperienced, and I’ve long been among those who have said he is unqualified for the office of President. Thank God the institution of the Presidency isn’t consolidated or limited to the one person elected to the office.

  • lark

    he came for his own political purposes

    That is an absurd statement.

  • lilytoo

    Exactly. Thoughtlessness doesn’t happen at this level. There is a whole office to see to it. It takes more work and effort to insult than not ! Since Barry doesn’t like work….wow, he really ment to insult.

  • Gary McGowan

    Obama needs to speak directly and openly about the financial issues and not through the nonsense of failed protocol in a state visit.

    I’m not confident he has mastered the issues yet. :)
    This guy is no FDR.

    Thank you for your support.

  • Gary McGowan

    So why did he come?

  • lilytoo

    many good points!

  • leslie

    Or find some dust on his shoulder.

  • Magic Puzzle Box

    You shouldn’t defend him at all. I saw the list of movies on the DVDs, and as the many very good, accurate bloggers elsewhere have pointed out, did Obama think they don’t have DVDs in that part of the world? Brown likely already saw them many times. Given how he hustled his tail to get on al-Jazeera for a conference pandering to them, and the Dubin II involvement – though Stephanie Power was actually at Durbin I and knows what it was all about anyway, that is, so pro-Islam that we’ll all be the part of the new global caliphate before long – the slap to the British is particularly galling. I saw they refer to Michelle Obama as “Lady Macbeth” even for her hyperracist thinking.

    Furthermore, I heard Obama was equally short with Japanese leader Ase, also an important ally. So the new agey “new world” the dear leader is planning on ushering in is trashing our strong allies, Pakistan not included since they’ve needed their butt kicked for a long time, and aligning with Hamas. Given that context, I’m not optimistic where we’re headed in the slightest. Sorry, Janice, but if this post doesn’t suit, then don’t read it. The rest of us would like to hear about it and be an informed electorate in spite of the machinations of the new administration. Or did you mean we should be talking about how Chavez has reached out to Obama to usher in a new global socialism?

  • Magic Puzzle Box

    Sorry, one more thing I should have mentioned in my post above. Have you heard that someone has declared Obama a rare “Lightworker” sent to usher us into a new stage of being? Some goofy columnist at the San Francisco Chronicle had a few columns on it last summer and more recently, and I know they’ve been selling St. Obama candles, pasting his face over St. Martin de Porres I think it was. Guess this whole Brown thing messes with the image, you know what I’m saying?

  • http://wiskeytangofoxtrotoscar.blogspot.com/ James

    The post is catty, silly and uninformed. The “special relationship” with England has dissipated because a Euroskeptic UK no longer acts as a transmission belt between Washington and Brussels.

    The UK of Tony Blair was “special” because it was engaged with both Europe and the United States. Blair’s UK was the go-to nation for Bush to interact with Continental Europe especially after 9/11. Blair acted as an honest broker and go-between. Now that the UK has withdrawn from Europe it can no longer fulfill that role. That is power politics 101.

    Power politics informs us that their are no real friendships between nations only interests. Many times in history the interest of the UK and the US commingled other times they diverged. We are in a period of divergence.

    The unwinding of the Iraq war and the UK second thoughts about the wisdom of our Afghanistan policy are coming to the fore. This coupled with the UK’s isolation from Europe (something that will only get worse if the Conservatives get in power) is the driving factor for the cooling off of the UK-USA relationship. It has next to nothing to do with Obama per se. The realities of the relationship would have been the same with HRC or with Johny Mac.

    The relationship has changed because new political realities have shifted the fundamental facts on the ground. The UK is no longer a lynch-pin for USA-European relationship. The UK is also no longer a reliable ally for any type of expanded military mission in Afghanistan or any where else. They are retrenching. UK domestic politics has become much more isolationist. The Obama-Brown meeting was a reflection of those realities; not some fit of pique on Obama’s part.

    It is not terribly surprising that American Girl uses Brown visit to unleash her scorn on all things Obama. It is not even surprising how petty she is. Still she must be reminded that neither the First Lady nor the president actually pick out the gifts for visiting dignitaries; that work is done by staffers. As for the gifts themselves, exactly how does one know that Gordon Brown did not like the DVD’s or that they were in the wrong format? And the model of Marine One, it all depends on the model. High end models can cost hundreds of dollars depending on the construction and the exclusivity of the model.

    But that is not real issue here; is it? No it is just another wrong-wing talking point repeated by a N.Q. poster. Just another excuse to vent bile because Our Most Sainted Lady of the Tastefully Appointed Pant-Suite was denied her rightful place. Just another excuse to slime both Obamas for the sin of occupying the White House. Just another excuse to continue to hurl mud , snipe, bitch, moan, and otherwise act like a junior high-schooler. Just another proof that NQ is no longer a serious blog.

    What you have become is what you once despised. Traders in Rovian slime. Chenyite fear-mongers. Peddlers of distortions, fabrications and outright lies. You now deal in the same type of garbage that you once defended Valerie Plame against. Congratulations.

  • leslie

    Here is another thought about the “Snow Day” the Precious POTUS took rather than to hold a decent press conference with RM Brown:

    http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2009/03/what-happened-to-that-flinty-chicago.html

  • Ferd Berfle

    Or lecture her about race relations

  • lark

    So you admit that we changed and you stayed the same, no? Poor baby. You poor brain cannot help you and you stare is fixed. Bu hu hu.

    Boo hoo hoo. Your Messiah is a dunce. The UK changed but your lying Messiah stayed the same, still lying.

  • FLDemFem

    I said it, and I was quoting a black friend who is as embarrassed by the Obamas behavior as I am.

  • Lyn

    Obama had no problem being friends with Auchi, who got richer because of Saddam, and the fact that Auchi’s money probably helped MEEEshell get the house she wanted but could NOT afford didn’t bother BO and he was quite polite to him. As a matter of fact, since The Obama family is good friends with and let a couple of American terrorists who bombed America watch their little girls, I hardly think the fact that there are terrorists in UK that are a threat to us, is a good enough reason to be rude to the PM.

  • Lyn

    So why do you come here if you hate the posts? I certainly don’t go to sites that think Obama can do no wrong, or even worked for him to win the GE, even if I had been going there for years.

  • PainkillerJayne

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4953523/Barack-Obama-too-tired-to-give-proper-welcome-to-Gordon-Brown.html

    But they concede that the mood music of the event was at times strained. Mr Brown handed over carefully selected gifts, including a pen holder made from the wood of a warship that helped stamp out the slave trade – a sister ship of the vessel from which timbers were taken to build Mr Obama’s Oval Office desk. Mr Obama’s gift in return, a collection of Hollywood film DVDs that could have been bought from any high street store, looked like the kind of thing the White House might hand out to the visiting head of a minor African state.

    Bring on the WORM CZAR!

  • Lyn

    Fear-mongers is pretty funny Since all Obama has done since he took office is run around the country trying to strike fear in everyone about how awful it will be if his porkbill isn’t passed ASAP or any other wastefull things he wants to do. Mr Hopey-Changey sure became Mr Doom and Gloom.

  • beebop

    Janice— we all feel really bad (not) that 0bomba is showing what breeding education accomplish. Gordon Brown suffered from a detached retina. From the BBC:

    At the age of 16, he had joined his older brother John at Edinburgh University, the youngest fresher there since 1945.

    But disaster struck in his first week of term when he was diagnosed with a detached retina – thought to be the result of being kicked in the head during an end of term rugby match at Kirkcaldy High.

    He missed the entire first term while doctors battled to save his sight. He would be in and out of hospital for the next five years, often spending weeks lying on his back in a darkened room. He eventually lost the sight in one eye and retained just 30% of his vision in the other.

    Does it not amaze you what real journalist can find out unlike say, ours?

    And. A classy guy like Brown with impaired vision still managed to find a BOOK for 0bomba. I guess he should have just picked up a paperback coming through Heathrow.

  • beebop

    Oh … funny coming from the lover of the post partisan doing the tango with Rush Limbaugh. You make me laugh.

  • beebop

    The one thing the article doesn’t take into consideration — and perhaps they aren’t aware of — is the difficulties of a press conference when one of the participants cannot speak without a telepomtr and would obviously sound so ill informed and simple minded in his answers compared to the world statesman standing next to him …. Just a thought.

  • Patience

    I see nothing out of line about NQ relaying a UK Telegraph report that some Brits felt their first family wasn’t treated very well by our first family. Gifts aside, it can (and evidently was) considered that other aspects of the treatment were bad form.

  • Lyn

    Barack Obama ‘too tired’ to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown
    Barack Obama’s offhand approach to Gordon Brown’s Washington visit last week came about because the president was facing exhaustion over America’s economic crisis and is unable to focus on foreign affairs, the Sunday Telegraph has been told

    WOW, pretty funny after I read artictles about all the parties going past midnight at the WH (cause barrack is lonely, ya know). MAYBE he could cut down on the parties so he has energy to do his job?

  • madamsecretaryofstatehrc

    Link this to the story about Obama’s gaffe at the joint meeting of Congress, when he acknowledged his wife but not the Supreme Court Justices or his Cabinet and Larry’s story about lobbyists not wanting to work in the Administration and you will notice that a bunch of immature second level staffers from the Hill are being hired. That is the reason for the glaring gaffes in protocol.

    I am so ashamed I cannot even think straight.

    Did the MSM mention this? No I had to read the story from a British on-line paper.

    I kept wondering when NQ would write about it. Thank you for posting this story.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    goooood point! he was scared! how can he do a side by side press conference, using his karaoke machine!

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Yes, you are right. I guess I should just stick to posts that talk about guys downing bottles of viagra.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    that article… i can’t even speak. He is too tired? They have parties every night, but he is too tired to do his friggin JOB? He gave lame gifts, cancelled a presser, sent back the bust, and insulted England, because he is exhausted, after 30 days in office?

    I can’t stand it.

  • Ferd Berfle

    That One is a shiftless bum and a real slacker. Great, just what we need, a middle-aged frat boy in charge suffering from a hangover.

  • JustMe~~

    LOL Just Me most know me here the half Brit/AMERICAN I will add a couple of wings so we look different… not that I am any angel when I go from zero to 100 in 60 seconds LOL

  • lark

    He came to plan the G20 but Bambi is too busy partying.

  • Just Me

    JustMe~~, Thanks for the response. You probaly deserve the wings, certainly I do not.

    You are an excellent poster, would have no problem being confused with you. Just pointed out the difference because our posts were running close together.

    As to the half Brit aspect, I feel that in my case such would also fit, or apply, if one were to change the BR to a w.

    Again, thanks for the response. I enjoy your posts.

  • JustMe~~

    UK has withdrawn from Europe??????

    please show us the information you cite?

  • Claire

    American Girl in Italy: I should perhaps have been clearer: I did not mean that only right-wing papers and columnists were discussing this. I meant that only right-wing papers and columnists found anything truly offensive in the meeting between Brown and Obama. Other papers might be discussing their (as Dana Milbanks put it) “oversensitive” reaction, but most people who don’t seriously hate either Brown or Obama or both don’t see anything offensive in this.

    I’ve been defending Hillary all day from people who are talking about how embarrassing it is that she got the Russian word for “reset” wrong and who say that being tired is no excuse for mispronouncing names of important leaders in EU, as she did.

    Really, it seems like if you hate Obama, you will see something negative in everything he does, and if you hate Hillary, you will see something negative in everything she does.

    But you should be careful. On the worst of the Hillary-hating websites there was often at least a strain of misogyny, and there is definitely a strain of (at minimum) xenophobia on this website and others like it.

  • Claire

    And the Daily Telegraph is a conservative paper. It is trying to embarrass Brown in order to elevate Cameron.

  • JustMe~~

    The button was a gift from Obam Biden & Hillary? No

    Who would of guessed being tired would allow us to print or add the worng word?

    Guess Hillary was the one who made the mistake after all she carried the button.
    The Whitehouse should find someone else to make sure gifts are correct or fit whichever dignitary is visiting.

    Tiredness kills!! We read that everywhere on the freeway…

  • ellen

    Except that its not true. The churchhill bust was given back to the British Embassy BEFORE Obama even entered the Oval Office as President. As is the usual custom, gifts, personal items, etc. are removed when a new President takes office. the bust was on loan and the White House staff returned it to the Embassy. This article is so obviously a right wing piece of bias I would think you’d be embarrassed to produce it here.

    Typical of you Obama-haters to expound on this topic for soooooo long, but I guess everyone has something to say when it comes to knocking the President. Do I hear bitter???

    Seriously, you seem to KNOW so much about the President – have you spent time with him or something? Your conclusions and the very tone of your post here gives me the impression you regard the POTUS as the most evil, stupid, corrupt, and rude man ever to walk this earth! Tell me, where does this come from and why do you burden yourself with such hatred?

  • JustMe~~

    He was in the Whitehouse when he told them “thanks but no thanks” They could send it back. I clearly remember this being announced…..he replaced it with a statue or something to do with Lincoln…..

  • ellen

    Every article you link to appears in conservative, right-wing rags (well, some are considered newspapers I guess). I’m just so sure this is payback for the Mau Mau rebellion – do you realize how absurd you sound???

    You only saw name calling once??? Are you kidding me? This blog is so full of hate toward Obama and his family – you all have called them every ‘name’ in the book and then some. Go back and read your articles and comments, please – you might really see what you sound like.

  • ellen

    This is relevant how? Terrorists babysat the Obama girls?? What are you reading, drinking, eating? Are you as nasty in real life as you sound here?

  • TeakwoodKite

    you seem to KNOW so much about the President – have you spent time with him or something?

    I charged him for cleaning the couch too, afterwards.

  • ellen

    I was rude? Uh…pot meet kettle, please. Just because you are not ‘commenting’ via a blog to anyone in particular, does not mean that you aren’t making very rude remarks – re the President, his family and anyone else who gives you something different from your viewpoint. You invite the attacks with your constant snark, just like others on this blog. I’ll say it again, just read what you write, all of it. Makes you feel good?

  • FREEDOM_IS_DEAD

    What a self important, self righteous dip-ship you are. Go suck your thumb…and calm down.

  • Sally

    AGIL….thanks for all your post. I like your peppiness.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    he was wrong. he knows it, that is why he called and tried to WORM his way out of it, and that is why the WH called and said he was tired. he screwed up. they know it.

    WRT HIllary, while the error was minor – missing the *za* from the word, I still can’t believe they couldn’t get it right. MIspronouncing names, I give her slack on. I mess up on the *a* or *o* endings a lot here. The democracy comment was bizzare, but, it was a flub.

  • Ferd Berfle

    and there is definitely a strain of (at minimum) xenophobia on this website and others like it.

    Xenophobia: An unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

    No xenophobia here. That One is not competent, unqualified, and dangerous. I defy you to find anything xenophobic about that statement. While there may be a few oddballs here, most NQers I would assume feel the same way, imo.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    so does beyonce.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    What did I write in this post that is rude? I criticized their lack of etiquette for gift giving, and their lack of proper protocol. Protocol exists for a reason. And, my personal pet peeve is people who don’t put thought into gifts.

    Show me what I wrote that deserved for you to call me desperate, and for you to criticize my knit hats? Where was *I* rude in my article?

    These are not dubious sources, as you so claim. And, I am allowed to criticize the POTUS, but you are not attacking what I wrote, you went after me. And you seem to do this in a lot of my threads.

    There are many writers on this blog, and the topics cover a WIDE range of topics. I chose this one. It doesn’t mean there aren’t other important issues, but for crying out loud, have you ever heard of VARIETY!? And this is an important issue! (which is why the WH is now WORMing for Obama, to get out of this bad situation!)

    And yes, I am proud of my writing.

  • stand up and fight

    Is that the same Kennedy that drove his car off a bridge and then left his female passenger to die while he swam to safety and then tried to cover up the whole thing?

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    And Ellen/Janice – Why do you blog under two names?

    So you can get paid twice?

  • Ferd Berfle

    An obamabot AND unethical. Who would have thought?

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    too funny, huh?

  • jesslepp

    Rudeness can be used as a tactic to distance people, as a smokescreen. Rudeness and aloofness (in this case toward Britain) can be justified by Obama apologists as a reasonable response to some past tension (Kenya issue). But the intended effect is to keep modern day, intelligent and observant world leaders from knowing how unimpressive and uninformed the current Administration is.

  • PaulRevere

    Do YOU know him?????? Get your head out of the kool-aid before it’s too late for us all…

  • imustprotest

    What I read was the British government kindly offered to let Mr. Obama continue the loan of the bust of Churchill……Obie said no thanks and sent it back.

  • JustMe~~

    ripping off the pot that pays ya! No wonder theres no money to go round…

    It’s all for me me me !!

  • ellen

    Nope, never was paid for anything ever or even offered. that’s an unfounded rumor that the Obama-haters have been passing around for over a year. its still ‘an insult’ to me.

    I’m going to end this silly exchange right here, but first explain that I was a die hard Hillary supporter and worked for her campaign until Jan of 2008. I started supporting Obama after Bill’s dismissive (NOT Racist) remarks about Obama/Jesse jackson in SC and Hillary repeatedly insulting Obama on his inexperience, mocking him with ridiculous comparisons and saying he did not have what it takes to be POTUS as she and mcCain did. I admire Hillary and think she is terrific as SOS and have never doubted she would serve her country well.

    1. You sound like an intelligent person and definitely NOT in the same league as most of the other hate-filled posters here. Maybe the reason I replied to your posts and not others is because of that – I wouldn’t bother with them.

    2. You DO offer sources and links, and for that I commend you – but they are almost always very conservative, right-wing sources. Michelle Malkin, newsmax, Free Republic, et al. So when I see your ‘sources’ I will more than likely see a bias in what you are saying.

    3. You keep repeating the same old tunes of Obama supporters as ‘worshipping the one,’ unable to see anything negative in the precious – it is such an old complaint and, I have a secret: NOT ALL Obama supporters worship the guy, we really don’t. 1/2 the posts on the obama-hate sites repeat this nonsense, like a contest to see who can write the most outrageous Obama worship comment.
    4. Claire and James are correct – they both said it much better than I. You see what you want to see and you have chosen to see nothing good in Obama – and that is certainly your perogative. But I think you are far too smart and reasonable to stoop so low as some of your remarks suggest. You have defended Larry in his ‘whitey tapes’ rumors and just recently you commented on the Obama birth certificate tag. You write a whole article on Michelle not paying taxes on her clothes – how do you know she hasn’t given the clothes back or actually included their cost in her tax filing – have you seen her returns from 2008?
    5. Not everyone thinks Obama ‘stole’ the nomination – nor do we believe there was a Howard Dean – Pelosi- Donna Brazille conspiracy to put Obama in the White House. Florida and MI were not even playing fields in the voting world because the votes did not count. You can’t change that after the voting – its really very simple. So those who support the President see his win as legitimate and therefore do not relish him failing – not to mention he has been in office for only 6 weeks.
    6. Whatever, i don’t come here except when I get discouraged – seeing these comments at no quarter puts today’s world into perspective.

    The reason I used two names is because after I have posted a comment disagreeing with anyone on most Obama-hate sites, I’m not allowed to post again – its a back up when needed (although no quarter rarely deletes comments, just the posters ask me to ‘go the hell away.’)

  • mary

    JANICE

    Sweetie, ahhhhh. You disappointed me here. Surely you don’t think lovely, graceful Michelle has come a long way from the Chicago lineups, when still Senatorial Wifey, when she pushed and shoved her way like a Bears defense….

    The new First Lady is the First in Graceless, Guileless, Ghoulish and Disrespectful Behaviour.

    You can take the Girl out of the Chicago slums. But you can’t take the Chicago slum out of the Girl!!!! UGH! what AN EMBARRASSING FIRST OF THE LOWEST LADIES….

  • ellen

    I wrote you a LONG post but just as I thought, it didn’t make it. too bad, as I did explain ALL my comments to you and why.

    but to answer this question, No, I did not get paid, never have. that’s just a rumor from the obama-haters going around for about a year now, no proof of course. and, I consider that an insult and rude! let’s see if this comment gets through (which is the reason for two names)

  • ellen

    woops – now I see the long comment did go through…sorry.

  • Donna Brazile

    Smellen:

    I call BS on your “I was a die hard Hillary supporter until SC.” HRC had every RIGHT to call That One inexperienced because he IS.

    I say take your BS elsewhere. I hear Taylor Marsh has a spot for you on her blog and you’d better run and claim it before they give it to your alter ego Janice.

    Stop the lovefest!

  • Strawberry

    Oh come on, for crying out loud. Have you ever been in a car accident? I have. Got a good knock on the head, but no real injury. But when I got out of the car I tried to walk home, right in the middle of traffic. I can’t imagine driving my car into a river then trying to escape, let alone trying to go back down and rescue someone. I’m so tired of this story I could scream. And I’m not really a fan of Teddy. His brothers on the otherhand…

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    I see nothing wrong in referencing conservative sites – I left the dem party. The liberals treated me like shit this year, and I abandoned the party. I started off liking Obama. That went away the more I got to know him, and his supporters. Liberal media is too busy writing about Obama’s pecs, Michelle’s, arms, and Rush for me to find decent stories to reference. And the liberal media is crap.

    When people like you come here and attack me, I whip out my *obot worshipper card*. Why? Because you act like it. When you attack me, insult my hobbies, and insult me personally, over something so RIDICULOUS like defending Obama on his HUGE gift gaffe, you appear like an Obot worshipper. Sorry, but that is what you look like….

    I have written positive pieces about Obama, and I also write about a lot of other topics. You only read what you want to read. You said I wrote this post full of rudeness. I asked you to show me where I wrote anything rude in this post. You read your own *rudeness* into this. You read and judged me, because you just want to defend Obama.

    I know someone who went to a Republican fundraiser where the tape was shown. Larry and I are not the only ones who were told the tape existed. Did you READ what I wrote about the COLB? DID you read where I said I don’t doubt he was born in Hawaii??? I think the reason he won’t show it is just because it lists a different name (like Barry) or something, or that his parents weren’t married (which they weren’t, his dad was married in Africa). But, it DOES bother me that he WON’T show it, and it SHOULD bother you as well. I don’t believe the Kenyan/England citizenship thing, but the dude has had to pay lawyer after lawyer to defend him in ALL of these lawsuit, and it seems like it would be a HECK of a lot easier to just show the damn thing. We have a right to see it.

    I wrote a post about Michelle not PAYING for her clothes, not the taxes. The clothes. Can you not SEE the hypocrisy in the media? And, being that she is NOT paying for her clothes, she should be paying taxes on them, and the expensive jewelry. That, we don’t know yet.

    You have been VERY RUDE to me, as Janice and Ellen, in the past. You would get a LOT farther by engaging in civil debate, instead of brash attacks. (You don’t disagree, you attack – that must be why people ban you)

    I don’t like Obama, but I was willing, as of the day he was sworn in, to give him a chance (perhaps you missed my post that day…) I am criticizing him when I think he deserves it. It is my right! Just as people criticized Bush the last 8 years. Or Clinton before that. Or Bush before that. He is not a friggin precious pony that should be above criticism.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    it was eight hours before they reported the accident.

  • Strawberry

    If I remember, he did walk home. I’m trying to imagine walking all the way home in the middle of the night after a car accident. I know I wouldn’t have been able to give an accurate statement about what had happened. In fact when I received the police report a few weeks later almost all the details were gone from my memory. I couldn’t remember the make of the car that hit me or how I had even gotten out of the wreck. The whole thing was terrible. And I’m not willing to judge anyone that’s gone through such an ordeal. Hell, was he even coherant enough to tell anyone what happened? I know I wasn’t. I called my mom and told her I was going to be late for dinner. No mention of what happened. It didn’t occur to me at the time to tell her I had been in a wreck. Head injuries and shock can really screw up your judgement.

  • Strawberry

    PS, I had been wearing a seat belt at the time of my accident and still had gotten a good bump on the noggin, I’m not even sure if seatbelts were manditory back in Teddy’s time.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    http://www.ytedk.com/chapter3.htm

    1:20 AM
    – When Kennedy arrived back at the cottage, he saw the white Valiant parked near the front door. The Senator testified that as he came up to the back of the vehicle, he saw Ray LaRosa. Kennedy made no mention of the accident to LaRosa, however, and instead told him to go get Joe Gargan and Paul Markham: the two lawyers.

    - Kennedy climbed into the back seat of the car and waited. According to Gargan, when he and Markham came out, the Senator told them “There’s been a terrible accident. The car’s gone off the bridge down by the beach, and Mary Jo is in it.”

    1:25 AM
    – When the three men reached the bridge, Gargan recalled seeing the Senator’s car upside-down in the middle of the pond. Kennedy guessed that it had been at least 45 minutes since the time of the accident. Gargan drove across the bridge and parked the Valiant on the beach side with the headlights shining over the water

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    are you reading that site, Strawberry?

    Still think it was an innocent little bump on the head?

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    no, she hates taylor marsh, noquarterusa, hillaryis44, hillary1000, theuppity, etc.

    HuffPo is her place. we’re just a bunch of haters.

    And, trust me, she was NO hillary supporter.

  • Ellen

    Excuse me-I most certainly WAS a Hillary supporter!! Just where do you get off telling me what I was doing over a year ago??I hope you are not putting Taylor Marsh (the TM after the nomination was completed) in the same box as the others you mention? Not even close. And I am not a HuffPo reader. Really, AGI, why are you commenting like this?

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    because i remember you from Huff Po. I remember all the things you wrote about Hillary, and her supporters.

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    And I know all of your aliases that you use here, and know all of the comments you have made to me, calling me miserable, hateful, etc.

  • Ellen

    All the things I commented about on Huffington Post?? I haven’t commented on HP for AGES – seriously! I have not commented on you that much here at No Quarter! And if I said you were miserable or hateful it is with good reason – your comments sound as if you are miserable and hateful – go back and read some of your stuff about Obama and Michelle –
    I asked you why you were assuming that I hate those places – because I NEVER go to any of those (TM once in a while) no quarter is about all I can stomach, and only in small doses. So you are simply wrong. And your tone is pure snark.

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  • Sidney Allinson

    A great lack of historical facts has spread ludicrous statements about the issue of Pres. Obama’s grandfather’s involvement in events in Kenya during Mr. Winston Churchill’s second term of office as Prime Minister. First the so-called “Mau Mau Uprising” was in fact a civil war amongst members of the Kikuyu tribe, which had the objective of gaining the election of Jomo Kenyatta to the presidency of Kenya. Most of the 5,000 black African who died in the civil war were killed by fellow Africans. (The 34 British civilian settlers who were killed were murdered by Mau Mau extremists.)
    The allegations that Pres. Barack Obama’s grandfather was imprisoned because of his being a “freedom-fighter” for the Mau Mau is obviously false. The dates simply do not add up. Grandfather Obama (who incidentally was of the Luo tribe, which opposed the Kikuyu) was released from a six-month prison sentence in 1951. The Mau Mau war did not start until 1952, a year later.

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