Debate The MSNBC Debate Open Thread

Democrats will win, the point is what kind of win will it be? One where we’ve already surrendered the policy?

Very good point. Wonder what Larry would have to add about that video. he’s still out of pocket.

HEADLINES….HILLARY WON….!!

Does anyone have any comments on this story from the Sun-Times – especially as to the veracity of it?

“There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city’s South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama’s four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot…”

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I don’t like the tone of righteousness that comes from this guy and his wife.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.storyww.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story

She really lit into that jackass Brian Williams. Good for her.

Is anyone else having issues with the MSNBC stream?

It’s so bad on my ‘puter that it’s almost unwatchable.

Just wanted to see if other folks were having bad luck…

Man, Hillary really laid into Brian Williams for always asking her questions first…so that stuttering Stan over there only has to answer “what she said” and throw in hope!

Stuttering Stan and throw in hope – LOL!

Tim Russert asks Hillary first again. Mr. Xerox Hopey Change Audacity Xerox will get to copy her again.

It’s true. She tried a Congressional race that didn’t work out so she returned to run for her longheld state senate seat. By that time, Obama had begun his race for her seat. And he refused to give her back her seat.

To accomplish that, he had a team of lawyers and voting records experts pore through ALL of her petitions and find, any way they could, problems with her petitions. Those experts in doing that kind of digging succeeded.

I hear there is, to this day, resentment about what happened to her.

That fat ass Timeh R. thinks he’s just the smartest kid on the block. I am glad she is taking no hostages tonight. Rip into them, Hillary. The time for being nice is over.

Susan,
You’re right about that video of Obama. I hope it’s not too late for voters to change their mind and vote Hillary! Yeah!

Hopey McChange xeroxes Hillary’s answer. What a surprise.

page not found, hope you took a screenshot because it’s gone

I think she’s doing very well with the three guys ganging up on her. MSNBC drips sexism. Notwithstanding, she talks specifics Obama talks rhetoric.

Oh, Patrick. you’re so in the tank.

Hopey McChange McMondukakerry has to answer a question without prompting by Hillary.

That’s my kid. Always finding the good stuff.

(I’m watching on TV, via DVR, so it’s delayed — he sure got smirky while she was giving her brilliant reasoning for universal health care. He’s so full of shit on his poor plan. He should have, months ago, CHANGED the stupid plan! Krugman also said it’s far weaker than John Edwards’ excellent plan. (Krugman praises hers too.)

Before this is all over tonight, Hillary is going to be wearing a pair of Testicle Earrings.

What did I say before? Hillary gives specifics….
Obama throws in sun, moon, stars…goes from Farms….to young unemployed people working on oil rigs! (His answers are just like Bush’s…he says nothing but throws in the kitchen sink!!)

I cannot believe people buy his crap

I’m on delay / DVR. He’s SO smirky! And petulant!

Can’t wait to see him all on his lonesome having to answer.

Hopey McChange McMondukakerry revels in his omniscience that he gave a speech against the Iraq War six years ago (though he’s done nothing since then to end the damnable thing.)

SOMEBODY E-MAILED ME THIS C-Span audio / try it!

http://www.c-span.org/Listen/cspanradio_wm.aspx

But that’s delayed / 10:30 pm ET

During the Town Hall Hillary held before 02/05, someone reported over at Taylor’s site, I think, that Ms. Alice Palmer was at the Hillary event in Chicago. She kept a low profile, but it was noted that she was there (Ms. Palmer is the woman Obama knocked off the ballot).

I can’t stand to watch it. Timmy Russert makes my skin crawl. How is she doing?

A question about no hearings on his subcommittee. He says: I’ve only been on subcommittee since January 2007.

Camp Hillary needs to make a big deal out of that starting right now in the spin room.

What is with Tim Russert? He argues that a hypothetical is reality, Hillary got in Obama’s abandonment of the subcommittee. Of course, he has the Beltway excuse–I’m campaigning.

Glad someone else is seeing this tactic, too.

He comes back by finishing Hillary’s sentences.

O-Bomba is a fake as a three dollar bill!

Anyone also feel the tone is combative from the moderators?

YES! I have problems too; it is impossible to follow
. Keeps buffering and nothing comes out.
Something is seriously wrong with their feed.
They don’t let her talk. For each question, he talks endlessly then they give her 30 seconds and go back to him for a rebuke. That is 2 chances of answers for him vs. 1 for her. I am going nuts with this….
Cannot follow the debate online. Did she make the point he did nothing as chairman on NATO?
SOB why do they keep making fun of her with the videos and not of him? They keep attacking her with the videos. AGGRRRRR

This is HORRIBLE….

She should get up and leave…..

lololol

They messed up with the video feed, and showed Hillary’s rendition of O-Bomba’s preaching style, from Sunday.

MSNBC is quite amateur. About what you can expect from an O-Bomba’s Administration, too.

True – the double standard is really blatant. Glad she called them on it.

From what I am reading elsewhere, this is intentional. They are asking her a question about it.

If McMondukakerry gets the nomination, we are so screwed.

“I always reserve the right”. Call ahead for that Obama, Rove has season tickets.

“It is true I have held no hearings but I’ve told the American people what I intend to do”

chrip chrip

Reckless man. It is worth noting Senator Obama took her question on return from break and then the question asked of Obama showed a Clip of Hillary.
Bait and switch. MSM ek.

Found another one that is considerably less frustrating: http://www.cleveland.com/live/video/

Although I basically missed the first 20-odd minutes (which sounded really good).

What’s worse is he’s the chairman of that NATO sub-committee, yet he’s a greenhorn with zero foreign policy experience.

If he’s suppose to be about leadership, he was appointed in 2007, he sure hasn’t showed it even on a sub-committee.

Talk doesn’t = action.

So back from every commercial break they show a clip of Hillary and ask Obama to respond.

Not by what Brian said offhand.

McMondukakerry swallows his tongue. Get medical assistance quickly.

That’s OK – I’ll go there to see what I missed due to MSNBO’s technical difficulties

tone is combative from the moderators
It is down right pond scum.

Now they show a quote of Obama and he get to answer of it, instead of Hillary. So it is not only the “moderators” it is the producer as well.
DCMediaGirl: Am I wrong here?

McMondukakerry can’t keep his story straight about public financing.

HRC needs to raise the Rezko issue and hit again on Obama’s welching on the public finance issue.

Hey jackass

the American people have been motivated for the past 2 years for us to get out of Iraq and yet we are still there. Unless you are an office holder, you as a citizen, only have so much access and therefore power in the system.

Obama is a complete idiot…..

He says absolutely nothing….he patronizes Hillary Clinton, he kiss’s McCain’s ass, and then pulls this idiotic crap out about wanting to change campaign funding.
(in the middle of a primary…is he out of his freak’in mind).

Thanks Grannyhelen!

I hate these guys and this debate. All questions are negative for her and softballs to him. No follow up questions for him. Tim Russert is the attack dog here. What an ass…

What a travesti… I am sooo angry.

imo – if anyone’s YouTubing clips – Hil has debunked some serious internet “rage” based on nonsense – i.e., releasing her tax returns and the whole Drudge thing.

I think it would be helpful to have clips of her responses to both of these questions, as they were very clear responses.

No, you are not wrong; I see the same thing.

Sy-ops Drive by

Wish I knew how to YouTube stuff grannyhellen. Good suggestion.

Great point!

Everyone is having trouble. The people at MyDD are complaining. So are people e-mailing each other.

Didn’t even notice this – good catch.

This a good line of questioning on Farrakhan and Wright. Obama is trying to shut up Russert. What Hokum that he could not reject Farrakhan’s endorsement. Also, what is this about only Jews?Farrakhan audaciously hates whites. And, since when has Israel been described as “one of our allies in the region.”

I know – I’m not a Hil supporter but have gotten a lot of sympathy for her watching the grill these men are putting her through. Complete double standard.

It’s funny – I was at an antique bookseller’s next to Harvard Square last weekend (yes, blocks from the Harvard Law School, so big O land). Got into a conversation w. the proprietoress and bookbinder there about the history of women in literature and feminism, and she brought up the stuff that was going on with Hillary…

…and we both just looked at each other and started venting. It’s odd – it’s a clandestine sisterhood thing at this point to be able to discuss the awful treatment she’s received, esp recently.

This is an Obama monologue…

Wow.. he didn’t distance himself from Jeremiah Wright!!
But of course noone follow up on that….

What an ass on Farrakhan (“renounce versus reject….”)
Sleezy…..

So what is it? He rejects or “denounces” Farrakan and Wrights’ endorsements?

Ya gotta wonder what’s up with that – this is Microsoft National Broadcasting Corporation, after all.

No truth in advertising there

It’s so hard. They’ll call her a hag for days for standing up to him. A woman’s lot.

But the problem is if they’re asking the Farrakhan question in lieu of Rezko I think they’re doing the voters a genuine dis-service. Farrakhan isn’t going to make news the way the Rezko trial will.

Great; thanks Kat. I am glad she did. Hope she did an strong point of that.(?)

I *think* he was appointed a lot earlier than that, but need to check. I do know that he doesn’t even list it on his U.S. Senate site — as of late December — but does put it on his campaign site resume.

True – if “the guys” don’t bring up Rezko it’ll literally be their fault.

ChrisXP, NONE at heart of course. He didn’t even touch the name of Jeremiah Wright and Tim Russert let him get away with it of course…. Did you notice he just went for the easy score on Farrakhan.

The National Journal ranking –

Overall in NJ’s 2007 ratings, Obama voted the liberal position on 65 of the 66 key votes on which he voted; Clinton voted the liberal position 77 of 82 times.

Hillary missed the opportunity to demand that Obama renounce Wright as well. I am worried watching now that she doesn’t remember Medyedev’s name.

lol – I could probably figure it out in theory but I don’t have the horsepower for capture mode…and I don’t have cable TV

I have this bad sinus rush of the nauseous kind.
So now I am going to half to wait for the “formal or informal” pictures of Senator Obama with L Farrakhan.

National Journal rankings, continued:

Clinton took the conservative position four other times in NJ’s 2007 ratings. (See how Obama and Clinton voted in the three issue categories in this PDF.) The one that registered the loudest on the campaign trail was a vote that she cast in favor of an amendment sponsored by Sens. Joe Lieberman, ID-Conn., and Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., that called on the Bush administration to reduce Iranian influence on Iraq and to designate the Iranian revolutionary guard as a terrorist organization. The “sense of the Senate” amendment was approved 76-22.

Obama missed that vote, but said he would have voted no. In fact, on the campaign trail, he criticized Clinton for her position, arguing that the Bush administration could use the Senate vote to justify waging war on Iran. “I strongly differ with Senator Hillary Clinton, who was the only Democratic presidential candidate to support this reckless amendment,” Obama wrote in an opinion article in The Union Leader, published in Manchester, N.H. To combat that criticism, Clinton signed a letter to Bush urging him not to attack Iran and co-sponsored legislation requiring the president to seek congressional approval before an attack.

Sound familiar?

1. Hillary is told to “hold her thought” in responding to Obama, then when the commercial is over, they go straight to Obama.

2. Hillary is given pretty much every question first, Obama says “I agree with Senator Clinton but I’m smarter.”

3. Obama has already admitted that running for President was a priority, holding hearings on the Foreign Relations Committee was not.

4. Hillary gets interrupted ten seconds into each response if she’s lucky, Obama is allowed to filibuster every answer.

This is gross.

About Putin’s succesor: he doesn’t know shit… He just
said “Sen. Clinton is right” and went back in time to Putin vs Bush. He knows jack about the succesor….

Obama Monologue continues…..

Wow

There was a tough job for Obama

Russert makes Clinton do all the heavy lifting on Russia so that “jug ears” can come up behind her and say “I think that Senator Clinton speaks accurately about him

Who will he copy when he is president?

Here’s what someone wrote about Russert tonight:

“Let’s see Pumpkinhead launch himself across the table at her screaming, ‘Why won’t you DIE, DIE, DIE!?!’”

She’s doing an awesome job overall, though…I mean she’s darned if she does and darned if she doesn’t at this point.

Sigh…

In the last debate, there was a count of words: Obama spoke 6,500+ versus Clinton 4,000

This debate must be Obama 10,000 vs Clinton 1,000

What a scam

Sorry for the typing errors I am typing steno style.

Tim, was addressing him on Farrahkan and Wrights’ anti-semitic speech. O-Bomba answered back, as if it was non-sense, that he can’t stop Farrahkan’s endorsement (and he didn’t say much about Wright).

He’s trying to ride the fence (maybe because Farrahkan can order his thugs to assassinate him, as they did Malcolm X — how and why a known terrorist is allowed to walk the streets is beyond comprehension). But it shows how O-Bomba can be waffling on issues, like a career politician.

Folks, you’re not getting anything new with O-Bomba. Perot was new, and because he was new, was destroyed by the Establishment. Which will be O-Bomba’s fate. This is a Republic, not a direct democracy, afterall.

Obama essentially gets two closing statements because the moderators can’t get enough of his lovely voice, christ.

This is unbelievable………
He jsut doesn’t stop blah blah blah blah.
And when he stops they go right back to ask him a stupid question like: what can Sen Clinton do to show she is a worthy candidate ? For G’ sake what is this?

ROTFL so true. His voice doesn’t work for me – something about the register I can’t even hear what he’s saying.

O-Bomba won’t reject Farrahkan’s endorsement. So he may even prefer it — would work wonders in Africa…………….

Hope she slaps him if he tries to hold her chair again…..

Senator Barack McMondukakerry (D-Xerox)

So what were his grades at Harvard anyway?

Why do I get the feeling he looks over the shoulders of others for answers?

Like to see someone with a video copy of the debate, count how many times O-Bomba was allowed to finish Hillary’s speech himself.

Then do an analysis of if O-Bomba got the softball questions (again).

Time to really show the debates for what they’ve really become — preening sessions for O-Bomba (the press knows the debates are Hillary’s strong point, and by the looks of it, trying to sabotage them).

Or his advisors………….

Count how many times his answer is “what Hillary said.”

He did it again, though apparently not as forcefully. I didn’t know he did this at the last debate! What a dork – is he going to massage Angela Merkel’s shoulders just like Dubya?

MSNBC vote here who won the debate: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23354735/

Obama is a crap debater, clearly lost without a teleprompter.

What the hell does he think he’s going to do in the fall debates, say “I agree with Senator McCain” every few minutes?

Or maybe he just plans to borrow Bush’s wire and earpiece gadget. How does he get Hillary to feed him the answers though?

Kat, I agree about Wright; don’t worry about Medyedev. Obama didn’t even know what they were talking about…It was sooo obvious….

But how are people going to see this video?
Who will air it on the MSM?

We will now return you to your previously scheduled broadcast…..
Why does anyone NEED to informed by pure Spin?
Grab the freakin couch and tell me of your woes. MSM

Folks, this is the tactic the press is doing now. Hillary replies, with O-Bomba finishing her sentence, or given EXTRA space to clarify his position. This is even being repeated in print…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080227/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_debate

SO? He sat on his ass with this for over a year? That is a big responsability . Why did he take it if he was going to be busy running for president ?
Noone counter him on this?

Look at the last poll questions and votes.

Republicans voting.

The Dems aren’t THAT divided to not even want a “Dream Team” ticket.

Yep, it was intentional. They keep trying to make her look like a buffoon…..

LOL.

And this concludes the..”Obama Monologues” brought to you by Timmy & Browny; the oficial morons at MSNBC.

But ChrisXP don’t read Yahoo news they are incredibly bias in favor of Obama; horribly and consistently so.

Bababaaawwwwwwwaaaack Obama.

Obama was too chicken to come up with his own bloody answers!

I agree with Senator Biden….was said often by many of the them…Where is he? Just getting back from a whirlybird ride over the Kush?

Question: Senator Obama at what point did you think to your self “Hillary really does know what she is talking about and I don’t?” cause I saw it on your face all night long.

Unbelieveable. Obama says I was taking a real risk with my famous anti Iraq speech because I was in a tuff Senate race.

Number one, the Senate race was two years later, in 2004 and number 2 it was a cakewalk against the certifiable Ala Keyes. And he gets away it because neither Legendary Newmen Russert or Williams calls him on it. I mean, really.

But she was great tonight! How informed, intelligent and articulate that woman is. Makes me proud to support her. And isn’t it true that whenever Obama is 20,000 leagues over his head it’s “Well, Hillary’s right about that.” And the guy gets more passes than a New England Patriots wide receiver.

Onward and upward folks. Let’s go.

Did he say that tonight – that the speech was risk-taking? Very revealing.

“Now Hillary”…condescension
How mamy times did the Senator refer to Hillary as “she” ? Don’t know anybody else, but I was raised to refer to a person in the same room by their name not in the third person.
ie Hillary…Senator Clinton.

Watched the debate with a bunch of Hillary supporters. They almost beat my ass (if looks could beat your ass) when I clapped for a few things that Obama had to say.

Glad that Hillary FINALLY said that she would take back her 2002 war resolution vote.

So instead of asking a question about the Israeli Palestinian conflict Russert had both Obama and Clinton kissing the Israeli Lobbies ass.

What CHANGE from the old way.

We have yet to hear either candidate take on Edwards talking point “no lobbyist in his administration. No lobbyist who have lobbied for another nation” We know that they have taken on many of Edwards issues but not that one.

more passes than a New England Patriots wide receiver.

But he is NO Jerry Rice.

I wish someone would do a count of the number of
minutes Obama had to speak versus Hillary. What a
travisty this was tonight. It should have been called the Barack Obama Show.

Yup. He thinks he is so polished, so good, so superior.

I’m just waitin’ for Mr. Miyagi to show up with a paint brush.

I missed that…where , towards the end?

Here’s the quote I was thinking of from the NYT transcript:

“My objections to the war in Iraq were simply — not simply a speech. I was in the midst of a U.S. Senate campaign. It was a high-stakes campaign.”

I imported the word “risk” but I think I got the gist of its misleading falsity right. Stated another way, he was absolutely at no political risk at all when he made The Speech, nor later when he met only token Republican opposition.

Thanks Steve Judd for the clarification.

What I find interseting with the quote is Sen. Obama saying the contest with Alan Keyes was a High Stakes campaign. We know for a fact that he faced little opposition, so it what about it was “High stakes”? the card games? or was it the fact that those that bank rolled him where expecting a return on an investment.
Welcome to the big time Obama?

I really have been wondering if you have a picture of you and the Cop with your costume? That must have been a blast.

To bad that MSNBC lamented that they had spent a whole 16 minutes on healthcare…the whole debate was like a WWF tag team event. I mean was Russert looking to body slam Hillary? He was attempting to scold both of them to one degree or another, absurd.
He is required to be a MODERATOR not the center of attention…freakin Karl Rove earwax.

Do you remember the last debate they asked when in your life were you the most tested? His answer: his childhood, he had a single mother.

He went to a frigging prep school.

Very revealing.

Here is an analysis of the debate. Not too unfair compared with what’s the usual. It’s by Adam Nagourney at the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/us/politics/27assess.html?ex=1361768400&en=c311b77559ee2386&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Please read this. Never mind the criticism at the end, but his points on Obama’s hedges are important.
One is he being obviously clue-less on Russia…

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/vantage_point.php

I read ALL news. Censoring media based on just preferences is equally bad — and if folks do so, they won’t know what others are saying (let alone see ploys).

Huh?

It actually worked in her favor?

i usaly like the after debate coments but chris mathes and tim russert are now obamians and kept puting a negative spin on hillary.when a pro hillery interviewer came on[the one reporter with foringn polocy experence they cut him off!! . and when they were doing the spin people from the campains they went to comercial when the [obamian] said he was UNSTOPABLE and INEVIDABLE. i allmost blew my top.

are these post debat disgusions or slaming sessions?

having obama in controle of the usa nuclear wepons …scars me no end.

Russert couldn’t be the smartest kid in the room if he was all alone. Whereas Hillary is usually the smartest on in the room in a crowd. But little blowhards like Russert don’t like smart woman. Being in the same room with a smart woman makes their wee-wees wither.

Lot’s of men have that problem. (present company excluded of course.) Viva Viagra!

Susan, did you by any chance see Frontline Tuesday night? There was a section on Russia and the cult followers of Putin that was strangely, reminiscently, scary. Or if anyone else saw if please tell me I’m imagining things. And make me believe it. Which means no Obamatrons need apply.

Of course it’s her fault. Isn’t everything? If a tree falls in the forest, it’s Hillary’s fault.

Oh you sillies, he’s “hoping” to find time for all that kind of stuff after he’s in office. Cause he won’t be so busy then.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story

Excellent!!

KenoshaMarge, you tell it true, darlin’.

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