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The Fierce Urgency of Tomorrow

By Chris Martin on March 8, 2009 at 4:40 PM in Current Affairs, Stem Cell Research

(This astonishing story is bumped up from Friday late because Obama’s action is reprehensible. This story is also up again because it is a perfect intro to PatRacimora’s new cartoon about Obama and stem cell research.)

As far as I can tell, executive orders can be signed relatively quickly and easily. Certainly, it can be done in less than a month. Write something up and sign it. Not to difficult, right?

Perhaps its much more time consuming and difficult than we thought. Back in early February, we heard Obama and Axelrod promise that an executive order overturning Bush’s ban on embryonic stem cell research was to be signed.

(The first link has a time stame of 2/7/09, the second a time stamp of 2/15/09.) One would have expected this bill to be signed and to have become the law of the land by now, right? Not so. Today we get a new promise: that an executive order will come on Monday. So after a month, we *might* see the promise fulfilled on Monday.

This may not matter to many, but it does matter to scientists. If one takes a look at the NIH grant submission deadlines, you’ll see that resubmission, renewal, and revision deadline for RO1 grants–a major source of academic funding–was yesterday. Had Obama followed through with his promise in a timely manner, researchers could have amended their grants to take into account of the new executive order. Now they have to wait several more months. So much for the fierce urgency of now. It’s more like the fierce urgency of tomorrow.

Obamastolemyboyfriend

Well, look at his fierce urgency with the economy. If he’s not fiercely concerned about that, well…

He can’t party every Wednesday at the White House, sleep in and work out every day and then get alot done, you know.

This is the empty box America elected. All any of us can do is wait.

Doc99

Obama is, as Walt “Clyde” Frazier puts it, “All Fizzle No Sizzle.

Tricia Spiegel

Scientists ready to go with their grant proposals must be totally frustrated!

Doc99

We’re all frustrated by Hopey One Kenobi … Captain BS indeed.
andrew191

If you feel so strongly about it, send them some money!

http://deleted Aaron

“Bush’s ban on embryonic stem cell research” is this accurate? I read and always heard that Bush banned federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. I not trying to pick a fight I’m just trying to get to the truth. I know MSNBC and others never stated this and always said Bush banned “stem cell research” but what is the truth?

Tricia Spiegel

Yes, federal funding. Efforts have failed to make it illegal altogether, so there has been work going on in the private sector.

Problem is that this kind of research is so very expensive (the technology and equipment is amazing–I visited the lab at UC Santa Cruz recently) so that even private money is not often enough for major work.
FLDemFem

Actually, what he banned was use of Federal funds for NEW lines of stem cell research. The existing stem cell lines could be funded by federal money, but not new ones. The problem with that is that most of the existing lines of stem cells are contaminated. The religious right used the “they kill babies for stem cells” to claim that all stem cells were harvested from aborted fetuses. This is not true. Stem cells are also gotten from cord blood when a child is born. Some people have the hospital harvest the stem cells for their children’s future use if needed. In horses, they get stem cells from the horse’s fat and re-inject them at injury sites with great success. Here is the link to the vet-stem site. There are also sections for small animals.
http://www.vet-stem.com/equine/

FLDemFem

One thing…

One would have expected this bill to be signed and to have become the law of the land by now, right?

The Executive Order is not a bill, it is an Executive order. Just sayin’.
andrew191

There was NEVER a ban on ebryonic stem cell research, and I’m sick and tired of this semantic distortion. There is just a reasonable withholding of federal tax dollars as a form of respect to the large percentage of taxpayers that have deep moral issues with abortions. If you want to fund embryonic stem cell research, knock yourself out, no one will stop you. In fact, if the multitude of people that whine about the lack of federal money for the research would simply put up or shut up, and fund out of their own pockets the research that they hold so dear, researchers would be rolling in money.

Ferd Berfle

Deep moral issues, while making for interesting medieval philosophical discussions along the lines of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, don’t have a great deal of meaning to those who are suffering the ravages of disease processes that might be potentially mitigated through stem cell research.

I’m uncomfortable with a lot of things the government spends (or wastes) money on that may have far more serious ramifications to this country than stem-cell research.

andrew191

Once again Ferd, your pathological need to pick fights and insult others, has overwhelmed your fragile, if not absent, ability to to read anything that is even slightly in conflict with your ridgid and simplistic mindset, in an objective manner.

Also, your first paragragh is a straw man fallacy, and is a non sequitur with regards to my post. But then, as usual, that’s your MO.

elise

Andrew, look at any poll on stem cell research and you will find a large majority of the population supporter the research and funding. Even Orin Hatch and you can’t get much more conservative than him. It may have something to do with the number of families whose loved ones are afflicted with diseases being studied. I’m sure you already know these embryos are thrown away after a time so attributing moral superiority to those preferring they end up in a dumpster than in a lab depends on your definition of morality.

andrew191

You seem to proceed from the false presumption that all stem cell research polls deal strictly with embryonic stem cells. Few people have objections to the various and sometimes more promising research with other forms of undifferentiated cells (stem cells). And who besides the most despicable scum want aborted children thrown into dumpsters? I sincerely hope that the majority of people in this world don’t want children aborted in the first place. The moral and ethical objection starts with the abortion itself, not with what is done with the remains of the child. So, implying that people who object to embryonic stem cell research want other people to suffer from lack of that research, is again, a straw man argument.

Your statement that polls find a large of majority of the population supporting research is not only an ad populem argument, it is niether specific or relevant to the premise.

A poll could ask “Do you want people to lose their jobs?” Most people would of course answer “No”. Robbing people is the “job” of thieves. So if you take the poll question as a stand alone position, with your reasoning, I could claim that most people don’t want thieves to lose their jobs. Do you now see where your argument breaks down?

20OffNoTax

Don’t you get out of breath running in rhetorical circles?

Your fallacious arguments about why polls showing American support for stem cell research shouldn’t matter are ridiculous. Why should Americans roll over for a minority viewpoint based on your personal and/or religious convictions? If you don’t agree with stem cell research, then YOU shouldn’t donate money. The American people are ready to move forward and retake our position at the forefront of science and medical research.

http://www.madinthemiddle.blogspot.com churl

And if anyone finds stem cells results morally objectionable, then he or she should refuse all treatment originating with stem cell generated cures, such as that inevitable spinal snap from putting his/her head up his/her ass too many times.

Ferd Berfle

I concur with your comments.

andrew191

The point that was quite clear, yet you fail to understand, is that there is a distinct difference between “embryonic” stem cells, and various other stem cells that don’t require abortions. The whole debate has been polluted by an orchestrated propaganda effort that was geared toward ramping up an issue that most people don’t understand, into a political weapon meant to damage Bush. Rarely, if ever, as the MSM coverage raged, were people ever informed about promising stem cell research that had nothing to do with embryos.

And if you don’t understand the fallacy of an ad populem argument, and since you ask “Why should Americans roll over for a minority viewpoint” then you will never grasp logic, or why the syllogism is flawed. And don’t ever, ever, EVER criticise, question, or disparage Obama, or you’ll be a stinking hypocrite. He was after all, chosen by a majority.

elise

andrew, good lord. The embryos are created in petri dishes not aborted. Your extravagant verbiage is sometimes entertaining, but don’t try to teach statistics to an experienced statistician about polls.

In 2001, a Harris Poll reported that a 3-to-1 majority believed that stem cell research should be allowed. Three years later, a new Harris Poll finds that this majority supporting stem cell research has increased to more than 6-to-1. Other changes since 2001 are a substantial increase in the number of people who have seen, read or heard about the debate on stem cell research, stronger support for arguments in favor of stem cell research and less support for arguments against it.

That latest poll shows 60% in favor of stem cell. Those speaking out in favor include many prominent Republicans such as Nancy Reagan, Orin Hatch and Gov. Schwarzenegger. Fifty Republicans in the house voted with the Democrats to repeal the resolution for restricting federal funding and it was the first time Bush ever used a veto. The religious right in this country is the only group opposing so your views don’t reflect majority opinion.

andrew191

All the polls you site use the term “stem cells” not “embryonic stem cells”. I’M ALL FOR STEM CELL RESEARCH, DAMNIT! WHERE DID I EVER STATE THAT IT WAS MY VIEW THAT STEM CELL RESEARCH IS WRONG. Are you too incredibly stupid to see that I was merely presenting the other side of the argument as a way to show just HOW and WHY people who appose EMBRYONIC stem cells feel the way they do?

The polls you cite are MEANINGLESS in this context, because we don’t know what questions were asked, how they were asked, who was asked, etc. If you asked me if I thought it was OK for medical schools to use cadavers in research, I would say SURE. If you asked me if I thought it was OK for medical schools to use cadavers that had come from China as executed prisoners that hadn’t consented to the use of their bodies, I would say HELL NO!!!

Again, using polls in an attempt to PROVE a position on a moral or ethical issue is IDIOTIC! And again, it’s an ad populem argument, and you are lost cause if you don’t know what that means.

Elise, you should from this point forward say nothing bad about Obama, because with your reasoning, a majority of people chose him, so all he does must therefor be correct.

And statistically speaking, the vast majority of people believe in God. So, Miss Statistician, are those conclusive statistics that PROVE the existense of God?

CMartin

There was no guarantee that scientists could have gotten grants ready in time, but it would have been nice to have the option available. Why make such a big deal about something you aren’t going to act on for a month. Its a joke!

Ferd Berfle

There was no guarantee that scientists could have gotten grants ready in time, but it would have been nice to have the option available. Why make such a big deal about something you aren’t going to act on for a month. Its a joke!

Agreed. But the stimulus fustercluck has bottom-of-the-pork-barrel projects such as pig odor studies, which I’m sure will do wonders for someone somewhere.

http://firefox AnnieCollier

I lived in Iowa for a year. If you’re downwind from a pig farm…Yes, it’s really gross…all the research you need.

Ferd Berfle

I lived in Nebraska for several years in the late 70s and early 80s. The pig farms were offensive but the feed lots were insufferable. I don’t know how those farmers could stomach the smell.

andrew191

I live on an island with a large concentration of liberals on it. You get used to the smell.

http://firefox AnnieCollier

eeeewwwww. You are brave. LOL

andrew191

Yes, brave men run in my family!

FormerClintonLawyer

I have lurked about this site as a Hillary supporter, and I have waivered between deciding to comment or not, because a lot of the statements I see here are sometimes on the border of outrageous.

I respect some of the comments made, particularly of Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy and American Girl in Italy, because they seem generally reasonable. But that is often overshadowed by some of the more out there statements regarding Obama’s birth certificate and the whole issue with the whitey tape, and the general childish name calling. But I have chalked that up to a handful or so of people generally unable to cope with the primary loss, or who are, in fact, conservative Republicans who were never on board with what Hillary stood for, or, in some cases, people who just don’t like Barack Obama because–I hate to say this–because he is African-American.

But in the end, I have always disregarded those comments because, after all, it is the internet. I believed that the front page contributers were generally above the sort of blind Obama hatred, and were, as we say, reality-based.

But I have had my doubts in the days since the election, because a number of front page articles appeared to be less about facts and more about presenting recent news in a light that makes Obama look bad.

This article seals it for me. As a former attorney in the Clinton Administration, I am stunned that this kind of article–which is 100% factually wrong–is allowed to be posted. Anyone with any government counsel experience (particularly those in an OGC of a department) know that an executive order of this type needs to be vetted and reviewed by OGC counsel in various departments. Particularly when the matter is one that deals with a public health issue, NIH, HHS, and others need to weigh in. That this executive order has come this soon is actually impressive. Those who actually bother to dig into it would know that.

But this article is a hit job of the worst sort, and it confirms (for me, anyway) that this site is no more able to view objective facts plainly. Everything is anti-Obama, even where anti-Obamaism is uncalled for.

You’ve lost your objectivity. This place isn’t what it once was.

I hope you remember what we fought for in the primaries, because this lunacy isn’t it.

Obamastolemyboyfriend

Well, then, feel free to move along. There are still some pro Obama blogs left (for now).
Ani

It is odd, however, that since Obama campaigned on this issue and promised an executive order immediately that he did not get started on the work you claim is necessary earlier. The review needed from these various organziations could certainly have been accomplished by now if he had kept his word to overturn this as SOON as he got into office.

You will remember Hillary said the very same thing when she was campaigning.

Sir, if you believe she would have missed this deadline, then you do not know what the lady stands for either. The President absolutely has the power to move things along — are you saying this is not true?
Ferd Berfle

I hope you remember what we fought for in the primaries, because this lunacy isn’t it.

I beg to differ. The lunacy was an electorate voting for, and bent on following, a shallow shadow of a man off the deep end. I certainly did not fight for that sort of self-destructive nonsense and left the former Democratic party after 32 years. I knew (and know) a lot of real Democrats. That One, sir, is no Democrat.
candymarl

We fought for an experienced. competent, candidate. Someone with well thought out plans.

That’s not what we got. We got someone who cannot be criticized or objectively investigated by journalists to this day. This is based not on his policies but the color of his skin.

Oh, and in case you want to play the race card, give it up. I’m a descendant of slaves, unlike Oabma.

You don’t see vilifying someone (Joe the Plumber) for even asking a question as lunacy.

You don’t see round table discussions of whether or not Hillary was a b*tch as lunacy.

You don’t see Obama supporters wearing Palin is a c*nt tee shirts as lunacy.

You don’t see the fact that Obama never condemned any of these actions as lunacy.

I suspect your “lunacy” meter is broken.

wodiej

well said!!

JulieD

Wow former attorney in the Clinton Administration – how did B.O. get all of those other Exec. Orders (16?) done so much quicker?

More than all other Presidents combined…

If you’re going to dismiss everybody as a lunatic or racist maybe you could enlighten US on why your low opinions of others somehow pertains to Hillary Clinton or pertains to stem cell research?

BTW: What were B.O.’s grades? Was he ever an Indonesian citizen? Yes or no and please provide relevant documentation.

P.S.: Was the definition of “it” bit your idea?

wodiej

BTW: What were B.O.’s grades? Was he ever an Indonesian citizen? Yes or no and please provide relevant documentation.

say it girl….

JulieD

wodiej –

I’m sure our know it all friend is going to get right back to US with those documents, but in the meantime I’m going to get my dogs to stop all of their bad habits and end world hunger.

FormerClintonLawyer

I have lurked about this site as a Hillary supporter, and I have waivered between deciding to comment or not, because a lot of the statements I see here are sometimes on the border of outrageous.

I respect some of the comments made, particularly of Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy and American Girl in Italy, because they seem generally reasonable. But that is often overshadowed by some of the more out there statements regarding Obama’s birth certificate and the whole issue with the whitey tape, and the general childish name calling. But I have chalked that up to a handful or so of people generally unable to cope with the primary loss, or who are, in fact, conservative Republicans who were never on board with what Hillary stood for, or, in some cases, people who just don’t like Barack Obama because–I hate to say this–because he is African-American.

But in the end, I have always disregarded those comments because, after all, it is the internet. I believed that the front page contributers were generally above the sort of blind Obama hatred, and were, as we say, reality-based.

But I have had my doubts in the days since the election, because a number of front page articles appeared to be less about facts and more about presenting recent news in a light that makes Obama look bad.

This article seals it for me. As a former attorney in the Clinton Administration, I am stunned that this kind of article–which is 100% factually wrong–is allowed to be posted. Anyone with any government counsel experience (particularly those in an OGC of a department) know that an executive order of this type needs to be vetted and reviewed by OGC counsel in various departments. Particularly when the matter is one that deals with a public health issue, NIH, HHS, and others need to weigh in. That this executive order has come this soon is actually impressive.

But this article is a hit job of the worst sort, and it confirms (for me, anyway) that this site is no more able to view objective facts plainly. Everything is anti-Obama, even where anti-Obamaism is uncalled for.

You’ve lost your objectivity. This place isn’t what it once was.

I hope you remember what we fought for in the primaries, because this lunacy isn’t it.

JustMe~~

so my question

Stem cell embryonic stem cell research

needs to be vetted and reviewed by OGC counsel in various departments.

But we spent how many trillion dollars and many who voted for it never read through it?

Please explain that as Sir I really find that hard to understand.
Both areas to me should be under the microscope? No?
http://firefox AnnieCollier

But I have chalked that up to a handful or so of people generally unable to cope with the primary loss, or who are, in fact, conservative Republicans who were never on board with what Hillary stood for, or, in some cases, people who just don’t like Barack Obama because–I hate to say this–because he is African-American.

You’re right. Some things you just don’t get over. I’m not over the killings of RFK and MLK and I never will be. I’m not over the theft by my own party of the primary of 2008 and I doubt I ever will be.

Insofar as the racism you accuse us of…as Big Bill would say “That old dog won’t hunt.” Perhaps you should get over the fact that we know too much to support a fraud. Forget the issues of the campaign. There’s enough in the first 30 days to substantiate that he’s unqualified, uncultured, undignified, lacks appropriate experience and world exposure to hold the office.

And, yes. If you want to come here as an Obama apologist, then you’re in the wrong place.

candymarl

I told you so. It’s because he’s African-American. Even when other African-Americans disagree.

I’ve talked to my friends and neighbors. They’re tired of being called racists and having race used as stick to beat them with.

Not very post-racial is it? But as Obama is not a descendant of slaves and has no connection to the Civil Rights Movement his skin color is all he has left.

What happened to content of character not color of skin – see MLK?

candymarl

You’re a former Clinton Lawyer and you’re not bothered by the fact that she was called a b*tch and a wh*re?

Apparently your loyalty is fleeting even when you get paid.

So Obama’s your man now. Based on what? The state he governed? Oh wait no he didn’t.

How Obama gave big money to Rezko, convicted felon and slumlord, but did nothing for the poor black folks he screwed over? That impresses you?

How Blago, the man Obama now vilifies was one of his chief fund raisers?

How Obama got ‘bored’ with being a community organizer and quit?

How Obama, who throughout the primaries exhorted his opponents to release all of their records but has all of his sealed?

I remember that Obama said on November 5 he would release all not some but all of his records.

Was he lying then or is he lying now?

PS. Being a former Clinton lawyer cuts no ice with me. Obama’s in the WH. Not a Clinton.

JustMe~~

FormerClintonLawyer

also please tell us what you advised Bill when he was classes as a racist during the primaries…

Did you tell him don’t worry it’s because he is African-American…

That is something else many will never forgive Bill Clinton is far from racist.

Many never saw the color of his skin they saw what came from within, his mind and his demeanor.
That was enough to turn many to vote/donate time and effort for Hillary Clinton…

and being you must of spent a lot of time close to Hillary can you say here you never saw any of this yourself last year?

Or do you put it down to just being politics?

I tell you what my opinion is he humiliated the wife of one of the greatest Presidents this world has ever seen and for you to come here and suggest
people who just don’t like Barack Obama because–I hate to say this–because he is African-American.
Is totally disrespectful for Hillary supporters.
You can dress it up any way you want but that is fact many supported Hillary as she was ready from day one not because Obama was African-American.
That is an insult to The African-American community.

CentralMass

You seem to be your own ideal.
elise

Hey, you sound like Undercover Black Man to me. I think he was the last one to use the race card on nq. I’d like to know what Obama was doing between the election and inauguration when he could have been hitting the books learning about his new job. Taking another vacation in Hawaii? He’s really “overwhelmed” now and can’t get his act together. Does he really know anything about delegating responsibility to someone who could have written up this order in a few days? Why is his new Sec of Treasury all by himself because his assistants haven’t been appointed? Oh yeah! They have to go through this horrible vetting which failed to find out about unpaid taxes by the new Sec., the investigation of his frm appointee for Commerce, unpaid taxes by his frm appointee for HHS. We thought he was ready to go on day one so what happened to that? So you’re a former Clinton lawyer? Bill didn’t make too many mistakes, but you are obviously one calling Hillary supporters racists. BTW was he really born in Kenya as his relatives there claim?

KmX

THe only thing President Bush banned was stem research that required the destruction of human embryos. This reseach should be moot now. There are now numerous cases where stem cells can be havested from adult lines, cord blood and skin without us having to destroy millions of innocent human embryos.

If it wasn’t for President Bush research on non human embyros would not have gain so much traction.

Under Obama, research on innocent human embryos will now continue. We all know the Nazi Papers on human experiments still exist. I guess this is just another phase in the scientific research on eugenics.

elise

KmX hate to burst your bubble, but research with adult stem cells isn’t going anywhere, but these embryos are going in the dumpster if they are not used for research. Or maybe they flush them down the toilet.

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http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

Hey, come on, Obama has been busy! he had parties to throw, Superbowl and basketball games to watch! Shopping for the Brown’s to do! He didn’t have time to get around to this in time!

Thanks for the update on this, it is an important issue.
http://danishova.wordpress.com/ Danishova

The religious right used the “they kill babies for stem cells” to claim that all stem cells were harvested from aborted fetuses. This is not true. Stem cells are also gotten from cord blood when a child is born. blah blah blah.

It appears that Leftist propaganda has worked well with you, because you clearly don’t know what you are talking about. Cord blood stem cells are not the same thing as embryonic stem cells.

The “religious right” (of which I am not a member, merely an observer) has no objection to stem cell research which does not use human embryos. Keep in mind that the embryos are not limited to aborted fetuses, but are farmed for the purpose of using them for stem cells. In order to farm embryos, women must donate their eggs, which are limited in number. When these women want to have children of their own, they may not be able to do so. Many of the women who donate eggs are poor, or just young and naive.

In any case, as has been pointed out by others, Bush did not ban embryonic stem cell research. He banned the federal funding of embryonic stem cell research which was the ethically proper position to take. It’s unfortunate that the “Religious Left” who love to talk about “reproductive choice” are so devoid of ethics that they not only lie about their opponents positions on these issues, they insist that others give up our right to “choose”.
Candy

Reminder over 300 cures from cord, adult stem cells, none with ESCs. The money should go to adult and cord, no rejection issues.

elise

Candy please post a link to your information.

CMartin

If EOs were so hard, why did Obama issue so many right away (which were very promising, BTW)? This was a pretty simple one that I had assumed had been thought out long before the election in November took place, since it was campaigned on for approaching two years, just as the gag rule and torture EOs had been.

I’ll admit, there is technically no ban on ESC research, but the current limitations have been a practical ban. But saying this should be quick is not factually incorrect. Starting the day after Obama took office, EOs were signed. If this EO were important, than one would expect it would have been ready to go right off the bat. It wasn’t, apparently. And that’s the main point: if you campaing on something for nearly two years and you fiddle around for 45 days, there doesn’t seem to be much urgency.
CMartin

I’m not going to debate whether ESC research is needed. That debate, like human induced global warming, is long over. I’m pointing out here that Obama hasn’t shown much urgency on the matter as he has on other promising executive orders (which I’m glad he signed!). What’s bothersome is that he promised action a month ago and then promised action again a couple days ago. There is a big deal made about promises when there should be a big deal made about actions.

Even if you disagree with signing this EO, you can see how the media is being used here. Make a promise, generate positive press but don’t do anything. Make the same promise a month later and get the same coverage. A person doesn’t have to do anything but make a promise to get positive press. We need results, not promises.

candymarl

Obama is a politician. Period. He has to pay back all of his contributors first.

Obama boasted while running for office that running for office is his primary experience.

I can run a vacuum cleaner. Can I be President?

Animal Control

Obama is a politician.

That reverend *tongue in cheek* said the same thing and he knows him better than anyone. Then majority of people did not listen or just didn’t want to hear it–pitiful.

Who did that song “you wouldn’t listen to me”?

Animal Control

Wrong on the song I think it was The Ides of March I can’t seem to get You tube to work or else I’d include a link.

Animal Control

We need results, not promises.

I couldn’t agree more. The more Obama talks the more speechless I become. At least I can still shake my head from side to side.

http://www.madinthemiddle.blogspot.com churl

Maybe he was too tired from entertaining Brits and he couldn’t get around to working that magic pen.

JustMe~~

LOL that is funny~~

Animal Control

So much for the fierce urgency of now.

Words, just words.

Animal Control

Obama’s words not yours Chris

PainkillerJayne

You have that right AC

Ferd Berfle

Evening. PK.

PainkillerJayne

Evening Ferd. I see you are the thick of things in another thread

Animal Control

How do you do the graphics thingy?

andrew191

I think you have to buy and download the software that lets you do smiley faces, but I’m not sure.

Animal Control

Good evening Jayne

http://governmentgrantswomen.com/ andrew191

The point that was quite clear, yet you fail to understand, is that there is a distinct difference between “embryonic” stem cells, and various other stem cells that don’t require abortions. The whole debate has been polluted by an orchestrated propaganda effort that was geared toward ramping up an issue that most people don’t understand, into a political weapon meant to damage Bush. Rarely, if ever, as the MSM coverage raged, were people ever informed about promising stem cell research that had nothing to do with embryos.

And if you don’t understand the fallacy of an ad populem argument, and since you ask “Why should Americans roll over for a minority viewpoint” then you will never grasp logic, or why the syllogism is flawed. And don’t ever, ever, EVER criticise, question, or disparage Obama, or you’ll be a stinking hypocrite. He was after all, chosen by a majority.
Sorry, forgot to add great post! Can’t wait to see your next post!

andrew191

Hi NQ, why is my post reprinted, why is my name in blue, and why does my blue name lead to a site for internet grants for women when I hit on it?

http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

Someone else posted this. They have a different email address then you do.

http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

hey you – name stealer!
You are not Andrew191. Don’t use other people’s names, please.