What Next? Moderate Ku Klux Klan?

He is losing it1 at this rate he will be institutionalized within 90 days from “fatigue” How about “moderate’ Hamas? and “moderate” Hezbollah?” Isn’t Iranian Prez, “Ahm a doin a jihad” a moderate in Obama’s book??

Great post Larry! Just when I think the bottom has dropped out on how low this Prez will go…

Moderate Taliban – talk about an oxymoron!

It’s tea time in Tehran! Maybe by the time Obama goes to Turkey he will have totally sold out our troops in Afghanistan.

Larry, you do have the ability to make me laugh when I feel despair for the world–AND make your point loud and clear.

But everybody knows the Taliban likes toy helicopters…

Larry asked:

>>You know what a moderate member of the Taliban is?>>

Someone who says he’s sorry as he’s beating the hell out of you? Someone who says,”I’m doing this for your own good.” And then, whacks your head off. Praise God!

I asked this same question after reading Lisa’s article. Who and where, pray tell, are the moderate Taliban members? I wish these people were joking. But what sane person really believes you can negotiate or “reach out” to fanatics, even those laughingly referred to “moderate” fanatics. Unless, of course, you’re looking to lose an arm. And a whole lot else.

This is nuts!

And if this is “just” another off-the cuff Obama blooper, we are in deep, deep trouble.

Get the man some Prozac. Quick!

Well, Larry, isn’t this what Holbrooke said in his interview with Rose couple of weeks back? They seem to have bought the Pakistani propaganda that there is good Taliban and bad Taliban. So now the US is going to go after the good Taliban to reform the bad Taliban.

If Pakistan can’t provide security to an International Cricket team, it is in dire straits. Read it here:

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/lack-of-security-left-us-sitting-ducks-broad/430932/

From the article, why didn’t Pakistan’s team go out with the Sri Lanka’s team at the same time as they had done in previous days. They left a little later separately and the security had to be halved between the two groups. Why?

…sounds sorta like a moderate “liberation theologian”

Get the man some Prozac. Quick!

and a eleprompter!

THANK YOU, Larry. When I saw this announcement earlier today I just about gagged. The Obots have no conscience, no shame and NO understanding of history.

MODERATE MUSLIM: Muslim who has just run out of ammunition.

Reaching out to “moderate elements of the Taliban”? This has got to be very demoralizing to anyone deeply involved in the struggle against the religious extremists in Afghanistan–like our troops, for instance.

I would be very happy if Obama would just shut up and stay in the White House occupying himself with parties for the next 3.75 years (even though he doesn’t invite any foreign leaders to them).

I can’t tell you how relieved I was when it got to 4pm yesterday–markets closed and a whole 2 days to stop freaking out, but I forgot about the endless media droning about his inane ideas. This one is something even my 5th grader would know better than to say. Aren’t we in a heck of a fix…even if he disappears (a dream scenario) we’ve got Biden then Pelosi! Yikes.

The less this guy does, the better off everyone is!

The best way to describe the Taliban is that they are an infestation, and we all know how you deal with infestations.

Obama wants to appease everyone: the Taliban, Ahmadinejad and the mullahs, Assad, Nasrallah, Marzouk; you name it.
Appease everyone so that The One is not bothered by the World.

He just wants to listen to Jay-Z while exercising now on his own gym at the WH and flying around the country to get his ego recharged by his adoring clue-less fans. And please no more state visits like that of PM Gordon of the UK; he doesn’t want to pony up any $$ buying them personal gifts.

Perhaps our kafiri President will be confident enough of the existence of “moderate” Taliban to meet with them personally and, through the irresistable force of his personal magnetism, try to convince them to be our friends. Think of the effect on the stock market that the inevitable Quranic outcome of that meeting would have.

You know, this kind of generalization isn’t funny. There are such things as “moderate Muslims” or even “liberal Muslims”. “Moderate Taliban” – NO, not possible, but that isn’t what you said.

“You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.”

k, now blog is workin’ for me…lol. pfft.

anyway, Larry: I agree.

Maybe he’s going to give them American movies. Wait…bad idea.

This is retarded. Larry, grow up.

“a moderate member of the Taliban is”…so kind and only publicly execute woman on a good day.

The Taliban insurgents in northwestern Pakistan ambush a minibus carrying Shia children to school, killing three and injuring several others.

At least eight other Shia Muslim children appear to have been kidnapped by the attackers.

The incident happened on Friday morning outside the town of Hangu in the troubled North West Frontier Province, state-run television PTV reported.

The driver of the minibus was also killed in the lethal attack.

If you haven’t learned that women just aren’t that important in American politics, when will you?

I would engage you in a battle of wits but I refuse to duel with an unarmed person.

Time to Pray

PSALM 2008-2012: FIRST BOOK OF DEMOCRAT

OBAMA IS MY SHEPHERD,
I SHALL NOT WANT.
HE LEADETH ME BESIDE STILL FACTORIES.
HE RESTORETH MY FAITH IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
HE GUIDETH ME IN THE PATH OF UNEMPLOYMENT.
YEA, THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE BREAD LINE,
I SHALL NOT GO HUNGRY.
OBAMA HAS ANOINTED MY INCOME WITH TAXES,
MY EXPENSES RUNNETH OVER MY INCOME,
SURELY, POVERTY AND HARD LIVING WILL FOLLOW ME ALL THE DAYS OF MY LIFE.
THE DEMOCRATS AND I WILL LIVE FOREVER
IN A RENTED HOME.
BUT I AM GLAD I AM AN AMERICAN,
I AM GLAD THAT I AM FREE.
BUT I WISH I WAS A DOG
AND OBAMA WAS A TREE.

I remember under Bush so-called liberals were up in the boughs about the Taliban and their treatment of women. There was no mention of good Taliban.

Now? Who cares? There are suddenly some good Taliban because THE ONE says so.

A

“eleprompter!”

… is that so the elephant in the room can read along?

LOL

Obama also came right out and declared we were not winning the war in Afganistan. I imagine they’ll now be playing his comments all over the ME, probably using them in fundraising commercials.

Why would a CIC say something like that, especially after just sending in another 17,000 troops? It just boggles my brain.

Andy — If Obama is trying to appease everyone why doesn’t he appease the American people. No–for us there is only misery ahead. Help I am drowning in Govt doggie pooh. First he throws money at everything and then he tells us the economy is not going to get better anytime soon. However, he says we should not sew our money into our mattresses. Jesus wept….

Moderate Taliban? I am utterly speechless!!!! And all I can say to those who thought that putting him in office was a good idea is go to hell! This guy is so far over his head it’s frightening.

Moderate Taliban? Holy Mother of God!

President Obama declared
United States was not winning the war in Afghanistan and opened the door to reconciliation

Obama waves the white flag of retreat and defeat as forewarned.
Obama and his minions believe that if you’re losing you must surrender.
Obamabots never talk about winning.
Every time Obama opens his sorry mouth he talks defeat.
Obama’s collapse doesn’t just end with the world economy but more importantly includes the collapse of the American sphere of influence in the world.

The fact that folks on this blog knew the severity of electing this fraud upon the US gives me no solace as to what will happen to this great country.

I guess the moderate Taliban only burn girl’s schools, while the radical Taliban burn the girls?

Obama sounds like he’s cracking up under the pressure already. His excuse to the British for the lousy reception and cheap gifts was that he was just tired. Next he says we’re losing the war and he wants to reconcile with the so-called “moderate” Taliban.

Somebody better buy him a pack of smokes.

or a ticket back to IL

Good points. Where were these so-called moderates when their brethren were murdering women and girls in the street?

In Iraq, if you read the reports from GIs on the ground, the local tribal leaders weren’t converted they were paid off. Some GIs likened it to paying the mafia to keep the peace.

So, Obama intends to follow the Bush Iraq policy?
So much for change.

Maybe he could consider discontinuing the Wednesday night parties????

Nah, I take that back. So that he can get some rest, I will happily accept his resignation. I’d like to see the MSM cover the scene. Obama hands his letter of resignation over to SOS Hillary Clinton!

i think Obama is suffering from narcissistic panic attacks and is erratically over reacting with no sound decision being made.

This guy is on overload. We knew it was way over his ability and now he’s showing the entire world he is way over his head.

This doesn’t make me feel too good. And these are his best days? We’re SCREWED.

It’s official Obama is worse than Bush….. Anyone who would talk to the Taliban is worse than Bush.

There may be moderate North Koreans, moderate Iranians and certainly moderate Palestinians, but it doesn’t take a Harvard Law degree to understand there are no moderate fanatics. It may be possible to neutralize their influence by living up to the promises made to Afghanistan seven years ago and I hope that is what Ambassador Holbrook has in mind. Building an infrastructure that will bring them into the twenty first century might encourage the Afghanis to corporate with NATO and turn their backs forever on the brutality of the Taliban. What happened to all the money pledged by so many countries years ago, Larry? Maybe it all went to bounties paid to citizens for turning in a neighbor they didn’t like or just to get some extra money for their families?

As the moderate muslim which beheaded his wife in NY??? This is soooo moderated, no doubt.

Moderate Taliban – a jihadi who has run out of bullets.

well, i’ve always said that obama doesn’t really consider himself to be an american; he considers himself to be something outside of and superior to americans, so it’s not surprising that he is more concerned with pleasing the rest of the world than with pleasing us.

[...] though because, well apparantly we already lost and the new mission is extending our hand to the Taliban who I could sworn were not a….oh well never mind: “President Obama declared in an [...]

worse…they don’t kwow it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Criticism_of_ideology

“Criticism of ideology
The Taliban were criticized for their strictness toward those who disobeyed the (Bid‘ah) rule. Some Muslims complained that many Taliban prohibitions – such as bans on clapping during sports events; kite flying; beard trimming; or sports for women – had no validity in the Qur’an or sharia. Another source of objection was that the Taliban called their 20% tax on truckloads of opium “zakat,” when zakat is limited to 2.5% of the zakat-payers’ disposable income.[49]
The bestowing of the title of Amir al-Mu’minin on Muhammad Omar was criticized on the grounds that he lacked scholarly learning, tribal pedigree, or connections to the Prophet’s family. Sanction for the title required the support of all of the country’s ulema, whereas only some 1200 Pashtun Taliban-supporting Mullahs had declared Omar the Amir.[49] “No Afghan had adopted the title since 1834, when King Dost Mohammed Khan assumed the title before he declared jihad against the Sikh kingdom in Peshawar. But Dost Mohammed was fighting foreigners, while Omar had declared jihad against other Afghans.”[50]
Explanation of ideology
Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) was important to the Taliban because the “vast majority” of its rank and file and most of the leadership, (though not Mullah Omar), were Koranic students who had studied at madrassas set up for Afghan refugees, usually by the JUI. The leader of JUI, Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman, was a political ally of Benazir Bhutto. After Bhutto became prime minister, Rehman “had access to the government, the army and the ISI,” whom he influenced to help the Taliban.[51]
Journalist Ahmed Rashid suggests that the devastation and hardship of the war against the Soviet Union and the civil war that followed was another factor influencing the ideology of the Taliban.[52] The young rank and file Taliban were Koranic students in Afghan refugee camps whose teachers were often “barely literate,” and did not include scholars learned in the finer points of Islamic law and history. The refugee students, brought up in a totally male society, not only had no education in mathematics, science, history or geography, but also had no traditional skills of farming, herding, or handicraft-making, nor even knowledge of their tribal and clan lineages.[52]
In such an environment, war meant employment, peace unemployment. Domination of women was an affirmation of manhood. For their leadership rigid fundamentalism was a matter not merely of principle, but of political survival. Taliban leaders “repeatedly told” Rashid “that if they gave women greater freedom or a chance to go to school, they would lose the support of their rank and file.”[53]
Life under the Taliban regime
Sharia law was interpreted to ban a wide variety of activities hitherto lawful in Afghanistan: employment, education and sports for women, movies, television, videos, music, dancing, hanging pictures in homes, clapping during sports events, kite flying, and beard trimming. One Taliban list of prohibitions included:
pork, pig, pig oil, anything made from human hair, satellite dishes, cinematography, and equipment that produces the joy of music, pool tables, chess, masks, alcohol, tapes, computers, VCRs, television, anything that propagates sex and is full of music, wine, lobster, nail polish, firecrackers, statues, sewing catalogs, pictures, Christmas cards.[54]

Wikiquote has a collection of quotations related to: religious police

Men were required to have a beard extending farther than a fist clamped at the base of the chin. On the other hand, they had to wear their head hair short. Men were also required to wear a head covering.[55]
Possession was forbidden of depictions of living things, including photographs of them, stuffed animals, and dolls.[55]
These rules were issued by the Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Suppression of Vice (PVSV) and enforced by its “religious police,” a concept thought to be borrowed from the Wahhabis. In newly conquered towns hundreds of religious police beat offenders — typically men who shaved and women who were not wearing their burqa properly — with long sticks.[56]
Theft was punished by the amputation of a hand, rape and murder by public execution. Married adulterers were stoned to death. In Kabul, punishments were carried out in front of crowds in the city’s former soccer stadium.
Treatment of women
Main article: Taliban treatment of women

A member of the Taliban’s religious police beating a woman in Kabul on 13 September 2001. The footage, which was filmed by RAWA, can be seen here.
Women in particular were targets of the Taliban’s restrictions. They were prohibited from working; from wearing clothing regarded as “stimulating and attractive,” including the “Iranian chador,” (viewed as insufficiently complete in its covering); from taking a taxi without a “close male relative”; washing clothes in streams; or having their measurements taken by tailors.[57]
Employment for women was restricted to the medical sector, since male medical personnel were not allowed to examine women. One result of the banning of employment of women by the Taliban was the closing down in places like Kabul of primary schools not only for girls but for boys, because almost all the teachers there were women.[58]
Women were also not permitted to attend co-educational schools; in practice, this prevented the vast majority of young women and girls in Afghanistan from receiving even a primary education.
Women were made to wear the burqa, a traditional dress covering the entire body except for a small screen to see out of. Taliban restrictions became more severe after they took control of the capital. In February 1998, religious police forced all women off the streets of Kabul and issued new regulations ordering “householders to blacken their windows, so women would not be visible from the outside.”[59] Home schools for girls, which had been allowed to continue, were forbidden.[60] In June 1998, the Taliban stopped all women from attending general hospitals,[61] leaving the use of one all-women hospital in Kabul. There were many reports of Muslim women being beaten by the Taliban for violating their version of the Sharia.
Prohibitions on culture
Movie theaters were closed and music banned. Hundreds of cultural artifacts that were deemed polytheistic were also destroyed including major museum and countless private art collections. At the Kabul zoo most animals were killed or left to starve.[62]
A sample Taliban edict issued after their capture of Kabul is one decreed in December 1996 by the “General Presidency of Amr Bil Maruf and Nahi Anil Munkar” (or Religious Police) banning a variety of things and activities: music, shaving of beards, keeping of pigeons, flying kites, displaying of pictures or portraits, western hairstyles, music and dancing at weddings, gambling, “sorcery,” and not praying at prayer times.[57] In February 2001, Taliban used sledgehammers to destroy representational works of art at the National Museum of Afghanistan.[63]
Non-Western festivities were not exempt from bannings. The Taliban banned the traditional Afghan New Year’s celebration of Nowruz as anti-Islamic, and “for a time they also banned Ashura, the Shia Islamic month of mourning and even restricted any show of festivity at Eid.”[64] The Afghan people were not allowed to have any cultural celebrations if the women were there. If there were only men at the celebration it would be allowed to go forth, so long as it did not go over the curfew time of 9:00 pm.
Taliban official Mullah Mohammed Hassan explained that “of course we realize that people need some entertainment but they can go to the parks and see the flowers, and from this they will learn about Islam.” The Education Minister Mullahs Abdul Hanifi told questioners that the Taliban “oppose music because it creates a strain in the mind and hampers study of Islam.”[64]

wow.

You can cut and paste.

what is needed is critical thinking.

worse than Bush on his “mission accomplished” day imho.

I beg you all to read the Book “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg.

Please Please Please do so. I beg all American to do so.

It is a life altering experience…I promise you (and I’ve read dozens of history books in my time but none so ground breaking and breath taking). It is thoroughly refernced and decently written.

It’s the last book in the world the MSM would advertise to you…for very good reason.

Agreed. That One is going to end up making Shrub look good. I (gasp) miss Bush, poor president that he was because That One is out of his league, in way over his head, and not up to the job.

I said to all the bots for so many months that there were three things that disqualified That One: his incompetence, the fact the he had no qualifications for the job, and that he was dangerous. I wish I were wrong.

…but are these so called “moderate Taliban” in charge? Can the so called “moderate Taliban” bind the other “non-moderate” Taliban to any agreement. This is not workable anyway you look at it.

His resume is the lightest we have ever seen. I cannot believe that so many right minded well meaning Americans were convinced to vote for him simply because they wanted to pat themselves on the back for banishing racism in the highest office in this land and still stood silent while two women were beaten bloody. It still blows my mind. I will never forgive the Democraps(sic). Never.

Obama`s new American flaq.

http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_pages/0269-0608-2621-5138.html

The price we all pay for narcissistic hubris and grandiosity combined with inexperience…..

The only thing we have to fear is Obama himself.

Obama mentioned reaching out to “moderate Taliban” before he was elected, if I recall correctly. So this is nothing new, but one of those campaign promises he intends to keep if people were actually listening.

We know there is no real “military solution”. Of course there is never a military solution to anything and never has been. So the chant there is no “military solution” is both true and false at the same time.

Our neglect of Afghanistan these past years while outsourcing the military predominately to NATO has not helped.

The Kharzai government is ineffectual and corrupt which doesn’t help as being seen as the legitimate alternative for the people.

Our mishandling of Pakistan hasn’t helped and they have created a safe haven for the Taliban instead of further destabilizing their own country.

We simply can’t afford more extended military expenditures in Afghanistan while the world goes into financial meltdown. Our “allies” cannot afford to take up the slack and are also tired of the lack of progress.

So the result is going to be after 7 years of destruction, loss of life and chaos…nothing has changed.

The deal might be to cough up Osama Bin Laden and we will leave the Taliban in charge to create their own hell on earth. The MSM will blame Hillary Clinton

Here is the NYT review … an interesting take. Not that I am always on point with their opinions. Just a link. Read it and judge for yourself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/books/review/Oshinsky-t.html

I will never forgive the Democraps(sic). Never.

I won’t, either. I tore up my card last June. And you spot on about “well-meaning” people. I still converse with many of my old college professors. The ones that I thought were the brightest are also the ones who supported That One. Try as I might, I could not convince them of the error inherent in their support of him. What really gets me is that these same people just loved Bill Clinton but for some reason just couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary because she was “too divisive”. Hells bells, she’s a piker in that category when compared to Shrub, who was a piker compared to That One, So we got ourselves a stylish pandering cardboard cut-out of a man for POTUS in lieu of a substantive, hard-working woman. It is depressing.

Bo has one solution for every issue…throw a sh*t-load of money at a corrupt thug, and then run like h*ll!
I now blame the idiots who voted for him.
They had ample information, but chose to ignore it.
We have left enough blood and treasure in the Middle East, so throw up the flag of surrender and pray we get a few of our troops home alive.
Of course, they will not have homes or jobs when they arrive!

You might have a point. Larry didn’t we work with the Taliban back in the day? how ever that owuld prove this is not change anyone we can believe in. I mean if a simpletons presidents who have gone before the Messiah have done the same thing, how is this change we can believe in?

You might have a point. Larry didn’t we work with the Taliban back in the day? how ever that owuld prove this is not change anyone we can believe in. I mean if simpletons presidents who have gone before the Messiah have done the same thing, how is this change we can believe in?

However I give anyone who had to listen to how brilliant obama was going to be permission, to be petty. It is our god given right to mush people who supported this fool.

No, that’s a teleprompter for “elegant men”.

I either hit the spam filter earlier, or I was not moderate enough.
My apologies, but this makes me angry.

Maybe he does not see it as appeasement but coming home to his childhood culture after lingering so long in the decadent West? Just curious but other than conga lines have there been any string quartets performing classical music from Beethoven or Bach at the White House.

There is another aspect to what Captain Clueless said.

By saying that our efforts against the Taliban were failing he also is taking a cheap shot at the military who have been fighting and dying there.

I agree with everyone saying that the idea of “moderate” Taliban members is an oxymoron and simply portrays Obama as a moron.

I believe his foreign policy gaffs are placing this country in danger. He is showing that he will risk the security of American citizens with his white flag diplomacy.

When it comes to copying a Roosevelt, when it comes to foreign policy he should be following the advice of another Roosevelt – Teddy: “Speak softly and carry a big stick.”

Insead Obama is Bragging and holding his . . . .

Seattle-

Agreed.

Who is John Galt?

Wow, beebop, you seem like an arrogant condescending prick. I can see you are a critical thinker.

I posted the article to provide some back ground to fuel discussion. What do any of us know about the taliban other then what we read?

Personally, I think we should not fail to learn from history. Acceting the Taliban as a valid governing body anywhere is a fatl mistake.

Wow, beebop, you seem like an arrogant condescending prick. I can see you are a critical thinker.

I posted the article to provide some back ground to fuel discussion. What do any of us know about the taliban other then what we read?

Personally, I think we should not fail to learn from history. Accepting the Taliban as a valid governing body anywhere is a fatl mistake.

Wow, beebop, you seem like an arrogant condescending prick. I can see you are a critical thinker.

I posted the article to provide some back ground to fuel discussion. What do any of us know about the taliban other then what we read?

Personally, I think we should not fail to learn from history. Accepting the Taliban as a valid governing body anywhere is a fatal mistake.

I miss Bush jr., Clinton, Bush sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, and Kennedy. The NObamaman is the worst president this country’s ever had.

I agree that he is the worst, and his term is in it’s infancy.
This country sends it’s armed forces into these areas, therefore, right or wrong, they deserve the loyalty of this country!

You mean like the frenzy ted bundy was in flordia after he escaped from the utah prison. I mean here you had man who could kidnap two women in the same day, but then gets really sloppy, when he realizes the axe is about to fall.

Nah it’s not Obama we need to fear, it’s the morons that put him in office. Presidents may come and go, but the increasingly foolish dolts who vote for them, will be with us forever. Bush and Obama are a symptom not the disease itself

Perhaps the O will give the “moderate Taliban” a gift of 25 DVDs in exchange for peace!

He just can’t handle the job of Presidency!

Thank you for pointing this out, James. I agree.

And it should.

He’s more in tune with muslim customs, I’m thinking he will be gifting goats and maybe….croquet mallots.

Actually, this is just as big of an insult in the muslim world as well. Guests are supposed to be treated as…well…royalty. Obama is walking talking faux pas.

I’d prefer he hitchhike and discover the country.

It’s a Taliban sport that only pales in comparison to what they do to their own people, women, infants and children included.

Also a look into what our troops witness during their service in that country, something they carry with them for the rest of their lives. This is what this president thinks he can reason with.

Who is John Galt?

We are all John Galt!!

Moderate Taliban? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Since when are radical extremeists MODERATE??? Anyone see a Bay of Pigs approaching?

I am confused, Larry.

A few weeks ago you were railing against the Administration’s dogmatic policy in Palestine due to our cozy relationship with Israel (BTW I agreed with you 100%). You even advocated for negotiations with Hamas and Fatah, and you cited as reason for dealing with them the very real fact that they are the true power in Gaza. Well, isn’t the Taliban the real power in Afghanistan? It certainly is not Karzai and his corrupt government.

If we don’t deal with the Taliban, who do we deal with? Are they any worse than the Vietnamese, who killed and tortured American soldiers during the war? While I loathe the Taliban and everything they stand for and their despicable treatment of women, I would be willing to deal with them in exchange for American security. We are not the policemen of the world!

The alternative is staying in Afghanistan for years and possibly decades to come and spending countless amounts in blood and treasure with no certainty of the outcome.

Obviously, you know more about Central Asia than most of the general public. But I am curious why you believe there are “shades of gray” in Palestine, but our Afghan policy should continue “as-is”?

Not honest at all…totally misses Goldbergs POINT. Totally.

The review is not honest because Golberg does cover Republicans in his book for fairness sake, albeit less…But that’s because his point is not that only Democrats are fascist but that mostly that the “progressive” philosophy–a religion unto itself for its adherents, based on their complete faith in the STATE AND SCIENCE rather than in a nations people, their constitution or in their contitutional republic–tends toward Fascism more than true conservative/classical liberal philosophy does.

What most don’t know is that “progressivism” has/had two varieties…the radical religious type and the radical atheist type and they’ve been competing visciously for power for a long time. The atheist types have been trying to lump the religious progressives with the TRUE LIBERAL for a century now and they succeed. BOTH are prone to fascism. However, if you ponder the notion thoroughly and honestly: HOW can a true conservative–originally known as a LIBERAL and now a Classical Liberal–who is typically fervently anti-gov, anti-religious tyranny, pro-female and pro-worker pro-nonwhites, and pro-freedom and responsibility and exaltation of the individual) be a fascist? The answer is that when a so-called Republican takes on “progressive” statist ideals (most in gov today)…they tend toward fascism as well…Bush is a case in point.

Another point he is trying to make is that atheist brand of “progressives” went on a rampage against such Classical Liberals by using disparaging terms as Conservative, “laissez-fairers”, backward hicks, red necks, unsophisticates, fascists, mentally ill, and racist. Because Classical Liberals did not believe in STATE meddling in people’s affairs, eugenics programs, or scientists’ propensity to put races into boxes, they were labeled “laissez faire” conservatives and of course Racists. Instead, Classical Liberals, the original Republicans, believed in the inherent ability of ALL mankind to improve their lot provided the STATE does not put up barriers to their success (that was Lincolns plan before he was killed: to integrate AA’s into society economically and legally and leave the rest to thier ingenuity so that they create a healthy positive culture for themselves to be proud of….and probably for that reason alone he was killed). Of course at the same time, the atheist brand attacked the religious progressives by relentlessly attacking religion as for the mentally ill and incompetent…of course only christianity was attacked because these religous socialists had similar ideas and platforms. With all the MSM, medical/psychiatric societies and industrialist pouring money into this propoganda campaign for so long, no wonder it stuck so well to this day. MOST Classical Liberals themselve don’t understand the forces at play…hence they have NO defense against it. But they’re confused and frustrated for sure.

Another point is that the notion of LEFT and RIGHT spectrum in politics exists and all political phenomena adhere to this spectrum started in the early 20th C…this has been purposely promoted in order to conveniently defang the Classical Liberal movement by lumping them into a group of otherwise loony religious fanatic STATISTS (called the “right wing”) on a eutopian mission similar but not exactly equal to that of the atheist brand. This was clearly done because the progressive religious bunch competed with the atheist bunch of progressives for power.

So we have it today: the true gun toting, freedom loving, constition revering, patriotic, government mistrusting Classical Liberal type is equated with radical religious progressive racist type of fascist (of which there have been none in the white house until THE BUSHES (I don’t think he is in the least racist though).

Another extremely important point he makes is that True Nationalists Fascists (Mussolini and Wilson) and atheist progressives (communists and Hitler) unlike a patriotic conservative/classical liberal, always hate the current standing system of goverment, its instutions, many of its people, their religions and traditions…always. They always have contempt for constitutions, legislatures, law, constitutions, and supreme courts because they get in their way of their Eutopias. Of course they rely on these institutions by making them turn on themselve and destroy themselves. They always talk of “CHANGE” and “THIRD WAY/THIRD RIECH” in order to lull the disatisfied/hungry/weery people of the nation into accepting their radical apparently well-meaning eutopian dreams.

On the flip side: Classical Liberal/conservatives consider themselve patriots. The term “patriot” for a conservative/real liberal means conserving the nations founding traditions (ie the constituion, bill of rights and flag), protecting and respecting its peoples and their traditions/religions….finally it also means love for the laws and institutions of thier country with no desire to CHANGE them when politically expedient. They truly just love their country and are as far from Nationalists (who hate everything the country stands for) as possible. Nationalism, by the way started with the radical revolutionary movements (called Leftist) of Europe…and had absolutely NOTHING to do with the religious or the Classical Liberals or the monarchists what-so-ever!!!

Finally, to true liberals/conservatives, science is a means to serve the people not just another blinding religion (STATISM or ATHEISM) or something to go gaga over…they are always weery that science can be manipulated into whatever is expedient for the tyranny-prone government.

Please read the BOOK!!!….Please suspend your emotions and let go of your intensely programmed notions of Left and Right….at least until you have read it completely. Personally, I always knew these labels made no sense along with the last 80+ years of western political history when framed as per progressive intellectuals of the 20th C….and now I know how and why!

The review is not honest because Golberg does cover Republicans in his book for fairness sake, albeit less…But that’s because his point is not that only Democrats are fascist but that mostly that the “progressive” philosophy–a religion unto itself for its adherents, based on their complete faith in the STATE AND SCIENCE rather than in a nations people, their constitution or in their contitutional republic–tends toward Fascism more than true conservative/classical liberal philosophy does.

What most don’t know is that “progressivism” has/had two varieties…the radical religious type and the radical atheist type and they’ve been competing visciously for power for a long time. The atheist types have been trying to lump the religious progressives with the TRUE LIBERAL for a century now and they succeed. BOTH are prone to fascism. However, if you ponder the notion thoroughly and honestly: HOW can a true conservative–originally known as a LIBERAL and now a Classical Liberal–who is typically fervently anti-gov, anti-religious tyranny, pro-female and pro-worker pro-nonwhites, and pro-freedom and responsibility and exaltation of the individual) be a fascist? The answer is that when a so-called Republican takes on “progressive” statist ideals (most in gov today)…they tend toward fascism as well…Bush is a case in point.

Sorry this comment is mistakenly misplaced and has to do with a the criticism above that J. Goldbergs book “Liberal Fascism” is a hit on Democrats only….its not.

SORRY FOR THE STUPID REPETITION…BUT IT APPEARED THAT I WASN’T ABLE TO POST MY WORK ALL IN ONE PIECE…SO I CUT IT UP. SORRY FOR THE MESS.

I’m amazed that you were not blocked by the ‘posting to fast, slow down’ police.

Funny!

And all those bitter job-clingers with their Bibles and guns.

Johnny Smithfield –

Larry thinks Israel is bullying Palestinians by killing too many of them in response to their less sophisticated attacks. In this instance, he sees the Taliban as the bully.

I side with the government that treats women like people not property. I don’t think calling the enslavement of women a religion makes it O.K.

I have a friend who got in trouble for the way he dealt with the Taliban and it didn’t involve talking. I wish there were a million more like him.

So, this is Bobo’s foreign policy outlook and your thoughts on Larry’s calling him clueless is to “grow up”? You need to wake up!

So, this is Bobo’s foreign policy outlook and your thoughts on Larry’s post calling him clueless, is to “grow up”?

The palestinins Arabs, Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad and others, aim the destruction of Israel . they are commiting acts of terror for decades. Israel has the right to defend itself agaisnt those islamists.

Please learn the truth, teh history about the conflict between the Arabs all over the world and the only democratic country in the middle-East, that is surrounded by 300 milion totaliterians muslim’ who plotting to destroy by any means.

The ideology of the Taliban, hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad and other. alike, is the same. All are united by their hate of the west, America and Israel. Their aim is the destruction of the free world, democracies. It’s about time that Obama will realize it.

What Next? Moderate Ku Klux Klan? That summarizes it quite well .

Like I said, he snubs Britain’s Brown, yet runs into the arms of one of the most vile groups on the planet, and Muslim to boot. Do you see the pattern yet? First, al-Jazeera’s interview, then playing with Durbin, now this. At least he’s consistent….

Did you happen to see this article, related to your topic: http://www.spectator.co.uk/print/the-magazine/features/3409686/beware-the-new-axis-of-evangelicals-and-islamists.thtml. The UK is in the middle of a really pitched battle with Islam and Sharia, having the St. George parade cancelled because it was considered racist, then a pro-Sharia march, followed by an anti-Sharia march. Then Rowan Williams went and made a big PR boo-boo by going to Libya to speak on religious tolerance. Didn’t quite get the press spin he would have wanted, I suppose.

Larry

You have said way too much in such a short space.

You have left some of the minnows behind.

If you get a chance – http://islamsfatalflaw.blogspot.com/

Nice job.

I know: Maybe our wonderboy prez could also present them with a boxset of American classics on DVD!?!! Pant,pant…yeah!

Comparing moderate and extreme Taliban is like comparing good and bad rapists. The good one are the ones wearing a condom when they commit rape.

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Moderate Taliban, huh? Our Prez should read this article by a Hindu from India:

http://dharmaveer.blogspot.com/2009/03/case-for-massive-us-invasion-of-pak.html