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Obama and Democrats Have One Month Left

Editor’s Note: We are honored to re-post this exceptional article from the distinguished Flopping Aces blog (a must-bookmark blog!), which features a lot of common sense and informed commentary in its posts.

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No one can 100% predict history, but some of it is pretty easy. When a person pulls a trigger on a loaded gun (with the safety off), it’s pretty reasonable to expect that in a future moment following the trigger pull…the weapon will fire. A pin will hit a primer which will ignite grains of powder which will combust and increase pressure in the casing until the bullet is pushed out of the casing and down the barrel. That’s not too hard to predict.

We can predict that the sun will rise tomorrow based on a long-established pattern of its doing so without being struck by a gamma ray burst from an exploding star someplace else. That rarity could happen, but the data indicates that the trend is more likely for the sun to rise. That’s not too hard to predict.

Similar predictions are possible with the American economy, President Obama’s popularity, and Democrats’ years of unaccountability.

Take a look at the weekly job losses for since the September stock market crash. It’s an exponential growth rate:

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If current trends continue:

  • National unemployment is on track to pass 10% in March (rpt in April)
  • Stock market has lost 100-150pts a day since Obama was elected and since Democrats took absolute power in January. This means a DOW in the 4000’s by April or LESS/not more.
  • Housing, another 300,000 to 400,000 Americans will lose their homes if the current rate continues. The Democrats housing rescue effort only applies to homeowners with good credit. How many people with good credit are so far behind on their mortgage that their credit rating is still in good standing? Answer: Almost none. You lose your house because you can’t make payments, and if you can’t make payments, then you don’t have good credit so the program can’t help you.
  • Fed govt is spending $400-500 billion a week since Obama and Democratic Congress took office. At that rate, unless the current rate of spending suddenly stops or decreases as Republicans want, Obama and the Democrats will spend another 2 trillion more this month.

Given the pattern of data, unless a gamma ray burst from an exploding star hits Earth, where is the tipping point? Clue: Gallup has Obama’s disapproval climbing faster than approval is falling. The only way to get those disapprovals down is to get people jobs, and stimulus doesn’t do that until 2010/2011 at BEST. The home thing he passed only helps people with good credit, not people who lost jobs and can’t pay bills.

Boomers are retiring NOW, and they need their 401k money so to get that money back the market has to get back up.

Until he does all three (which ain’t possible), his disapproval numbers grow with each layoff, each foreclosure, each person who can’t retire, each family that’s lost their life savings, and each person who doesn’t get a raise this year, but sees their taxes on electricity, etc go up (btw, remember, no more itemized deduction bonus next year).

I believe the tipping point is a 30-day period between now and April 7. Some people might blame Bush for a bad economy, or finger him for causing them to lose their home, their job, their life savings, their retirement, but once those bad things have happened, they look to Obama and Democrats to fix things. We were told Obama was “Ready to lead from day 1.” Well, speaking from first hand knowledge of this, if there’s no new job, Obama gets the blame. If a family loses their house because Obama couldn’t create a new job with $800billion “stimulus” package, then Obama and Democrats get the blame. If a Baby Boomer has lost 60yrs of savings in the stock market on the eve of their retirement, and Obama doesn’t even watch the market, then that Baby Boomer who can’t retire blames Obama and Democrats for not restoring the market. If a retiree can’t afford their medicine or cancer treatments or is reduced to living off their kids because their retirement income was lost in the market, and Obama+Democrats haven’t restored the market, then that retiree will hold them responsible for not fixing things as promised.

The trends are simple and consistent: unemployment, deflation, govt spending, housing losses, stock market collapse, Presidential approval rating/disapproval. All of those show a peak this month.

President Barack Obama has 30 days or less (no more) before it’s over. After that, he cannot regain his popularity and power until the people who lost jobs find new ones, until the people who lost homes get new ones, the people who lost their savings have it restored, the people who lost their retirements get them back.

Oh yeah, and what’s the President and his party of financial foul ups have to say about this? They tell us to wait a year or two for their stimulus to start-(repeat) START taking effect, and there’s only a 1:3 chance it will actually have any effect at all according to them.

No one says do nothing (though every failing Democrat will make the claim/distraction), but clearly, the track forced down America’s throats ain’t the right one. In the next 30 days, most people will come to face the reality that they elected inept liars. No one will care about George with Bush (except to recall perhaps that when he was President they had a job, a house, a retirement, and hope). Instead, Obama and Democrats will finally reap what they’ve sown. Sadly, it will take millions of destitute Americans and a Depression to make it come home.

Read more comments at Flopping Ace blog.

  • mountainaires

    Hey, good news! Jim Cramer called the market low for August 2008!

    Pushing toy stuffed bears through a meat slicer, the screaming, peripatetic CNBC anchor Jim Cramer declared that he “had unbelievable guts to call a bottom,” and said:

    “I am indeed sticking my neck out right here, right now, declaring emphatically that I believe the market will not revisit the panicked lows it hit on July 15. and I think anyone out there who’s waiting for that low to be breached is in for a big disappointment and [they’re] missing a great deal of upside.

    Stop waiting, [and] buy the next dip because I think it might be the last big one.”

    August, 2008

    And, he’s called the date of the housing market turnaround, too! We’re saved, hallelujah! I’m overwhelmed with joy! ;-)

    The converted bears, as well as the panicked sellers desperate to bail out and nervous buyers afraid to jump in, will be dead wrong nine months from now, when housing prices bottom. In fact, I’ll call the precise date of the housing-market turnaround. It will begin on June 30, 2009.

    Jim Cramer

    http://nymag.com/news/businessfinance/bottomline/49938/

  • mountainaires

    Meanwhile, outside of Cramer’s parallel universe….bread lines are forming, and 700 people showed up to apply for one janitorial job!

    Saturday, 07 Mar 2009, 1:33 PM EST

    By ANTHONY BARTKEWICZ, MyFox National

    - Many say a depression doesn’t have to be great, that the economy can sink into a milder depression. The Salvation Army says it’s happening now, and in San Diego County, people are standing in line outside a Salvation Army waiting for donated bread.

    Salvation Army director of communications Suzi Woodruff Lacey said they are seeing people from all walks of life: “white collar, blue collar, people who have lost their jobs, people who are in danger of losing their homes.”

    Bread lines were regularly seen in the 1930s during the Great Depression, when unemployment peaked at more than 25 percent and the stock market lost 90 percent of its value. Today, California’s unemployment rate hit 8.4 percent.

  • Cindy

    Today is International Women’s Day…..(March being Women’s History Month!!)
    Maybe the economy would be doing better if some wise women had been involved>

  • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Amen to THAT, Cindy!!

  • HARP

    But….But… Obama would be ready on day one and he had a plan.

  • John Smith

    I am not sure what would have happened. After all she just had a Button-Gate. That is not very comforting.

  • lark

    According to Schumer, Obama is smart.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    And according to Schumer, we’re the “chattering class”!

  • olivia1998

    I work for a local women’s ABUSE shelter and today I’m celebrating International Women’s Day in my community at an event organized by us and joined by wonderful women and men.
    I stood behind Hillary even after the Democrat’s took everything away from her and I still believe we would be better off had she won but……after watching her follow his direction with no mind of her own, use his talking points around the world, support this administrations views that we all know are not her belief’s I am terribly disappointed in her.

  • oowawa

    Given the pattern of data, unless a gamma ray burst from an exploding star hits Earth, where is the tipping point?

    The odds against a gamma-ray burst from a distant star incinerating us all and thereby ending the O-collapse are really, well, astronomical. But don’t lose hope! It is much more likely that the Large Hadron Collider will create a mini black-hole that will grow and swallow the planet, thus ending our political troubles once and for all! As The One says, Hope. Change.

  • Cubs in 09

    http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/03/jobs-contract-14th-straight-month.html

    The emphasis is mine.

    Friday, March 06, 2009

    The official unemployment rate is 8.1%. However, if you start counting all the people that want a job but gave up, all the people with part-time jobs that want a full-time job, all the people who dropped off the unemployment rolls because their unemployment benefits ran out, etc., you get a closer picture of what the unemployment rate is.

    It reflects how unemployment feels to the average Joe on the street. U-6 is 14.8%. Both U-6 and U-3 (the so called “official” unemployment number) are poised to rise further.

  • oowawa

    I suggest that we call this impending black hole the O-Hole.

  • termo

    First concerning economic data, it is widely acknowledged that unemployment data is a lagging indicator of the economy because is it is the last thing employers do during a recession. In fact during the recession that went from 1980 – 1982 we peaked at 10.8% unemployment at the end of 1982 when the recession was actually over and we were seeing growth.

    The Stock Market (DJIA or S&P) are leading indicators of the economy – or where it is headed.

    During this current recession, we seemed to hit bottom on November 20th when the Dow had bottomed out at 7552. From there the Dow began to recover and even showed signs of some growth.

    When Obama came into office the Dow was at 7949. It has been going into a freefall ever since and is now at 6600 in just 33 trading days.

    Obama is doing what FDR did which was to take a severe recession and make it worse. In this case his incompetence and rhetoric has created extraordinary fear. His ideology has been to ignore the systemic problem of the banks and instead abuse this crisis to impose socialism on this country.

    As far as his popularity, according the gallup he is actually less popular than either Jimmy Carter or George W. Bush at this stage of his administration.

    Acording to Rasmussen (which has been proven to be the most reliable political poll) his approval numbers are definately trending down.

  • Ferd Berfle

    ROFL

    Obamabot’s brains are like black holes-except that it is matter so dense not even coherent thought can escape. Don’t believe me–just peruse their silly-ass posts.

  • kgirl

    Lots of people say W. is smart too.

  • Cubs in 09

    Termo, I think we agree. :grin:

    My point was that “it ain’t lookin’ good.”

  • QUEENIE

    Great post Susan!!

    For those who missed it..this is must read by John Batchelor

    http://johnbatchelorshow.com/jb/2009/03/aig-conspiracy-of-witches/

    to see all our tax dollars pissed away to foreign banks who “gambled ” and the debt we are now leaving to our grandchildren, i would already say it is too late for the dems and the messiah..people are catching on..i see it on other web sites..added to that is the Messiah letting the Bush criminals off the hook..

    Obama lawyers argue to drop Yoo torture suit
    Source: San Francisco Chronicle

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/0...

    the glow is coming offthe messiah..i see it happening alot at many of my old blogs!..of course the paid shills keep trying to keep the info from seeing the light of day.. but it is not working out so well anymore!!

  • Sassy

    Thanks Susan, that is a good read!
    Okay, I’ve made it through one month.
    Can I make another? Tough, but I’ll give it my best shot!

  • Tuppence411

    Tangential topic- having just come home from Church, it appears the US Bishops have declared a Catholic version of a “fatwah” on Barky’s behind(!) over Catholic hospitals and health care clinics. They are preparing to stand toe to toe and see who blinks first, claiming if Barky removes conscientious objection protection they will just close the 600+ hospitals in the US. (Employer of 600,000 Americans and where 1 out of 6 of us get our health care.)

    I will say this, in all my years, I have never seen such an organized approach before: post cards, email and phone lists, a prepared statement read from the pulpit. Fox News has it rolling on the ticker at the bottom of the screen as well…….

  • Diana

    This whole mess is both parties faults. Democrats for the housing and Republicans with all their de-regulation crap. As far as I’m concerned they equally share in what’s happening right now.

  • getfitnow

    BO wasn’t POTUS at that time. Have you heard Cramer in the last week? Reality has struck.

  • Linda C.

    I disagree. The stock market crashed in 1929. FDR took office in March of 1933 with a 22 percent unemployment rate. Hoover did not institute any recovery program until mid-1932 to inject capital into the financial system. The economic problems had been going on for over 3 years before FDR even took office. It took almost that long for Hoover to realize that the markets were not going to “fix themselves”.

    This official “recession” has been going on since Dec of 2007. It wasn’t until September of 2008 that the previous administration realized that there was a problem with the financial sector even though there had been many indicators that there were severe problems including the LIBOR rate.

    I do not accept the historical revisionism that has been perpetuated by the conservatives who still believe that a free unregulated economy making wealth for the few at the expense of the money is the way to go. That FDR actually caused the Depression or that his policies actually perpetuated it. Many of FDR’s programs of the National Recovery Act (NRA) were declared Unconstitutional. Therefore, we will never know if FDR’s more far reaching programs, if instituted, would have shortened the Depression.

  • Linda C.

    correct to say “expense of the many”.

  • truthorconsequences

    It should be mandatory that all presidential hopefuls have at least 3-5 years experience dragging a 9 yard cotton sack behind them filled with 100+ pounds of weight or a similitude thereof. Otherwise they should not be allowed to speak on matters pertaining to the economy and/or people’s hardships and other subjects pertaining to “change and hope”. Then too it would be helpful if the president was REQUIRED to be a natural born citizen who at least knows where the Great Lakes are situated and/or how many (not 57) states he would be ready to lead from day one. Our only hope is this version of a president will opt for early retirement.

  • mountainaires

    Behind the Curtain at GE

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/07/business/07nocera.html?_r=1&ref=business

    Don’t you know that Olbermann is scared to death that Rupert Murdoch is greedily eyeing NBC and it’s sister networks, CNBC and MSNBC?

    bwahahahahahaha….

    Buh Bye Keith! Buh Bye Tweety! Buh Bye Cramer!

  • mountainaires

    Jeez, Thanks yer popeness, and yer messiah. I go to a Catholic hospital for my medical care. I’m not Catholic, but they’ve got great care. This only hurts consumers, Barky; freedom of religion means just that, doesn’t it? Let people have a CHOICE, Barky.

  • mountainaires

    Hoover implemented a dozen “policies” to forestall the depression.

    None of them worked. Sound familiar? None of FDRs programs actually ended the depression either, though the CCC and the WPA helped people survive. The end of the depression didn’t happen until WWII, when we ramped up domestic manufacturing in the war support and put people back to work. The stock market didn’t come back for 30-40 years or more after the crash.

  • mountainaires

    I watch Cramer nearly every night. He’s a great entertainer. But, I don’t base my financial decisions on ANYTHING Jim Cramer says. ;-)

    And, yeah, I noticed about 2 months ago, he finally dropped that ridiculous countdown to June, 2009, when the housing market will rebound.

    Bwahahahaha. Thanks for the laughs, Jim.

    Does Baby Messiah, PEObama think Ken Lewis has the right to keep Merrills bonus recipients a secret from US taxpayers? Because I surely don’t think Lewis has that right, while taking taxpayer monies to save his butt. I’m glad Cuomo is turning up the heat on them. Do tell, Mr. Lewis. Inquiring minds want to know: WHO AT MERRILL GOT THE BONUSES?

    This week promises lots of pressure on the markets.

    What will Barky pull out of his own butt to save himself? I predict we’ll see Barky all over the tube, giving speeches, the only thing he knows how to do!

    U.S. Retail Sales Probably Fell, Trade Gap Shrank as Consumers Retrenched Sales at U.S. retailers probably fell in February for the seventh time in eight months as soaring unemployment battered consumers, economists said before a government report this week.

    Stocks in U.S. Post Biggest Weekly Decline in Three Months; AIG, GE Slump U.S. stocks posted the biggest weekly decline in three months after American International Group Inc. reported a $61.7 billion loss, Warren Buffett said the economy is in “shambles” and concern increased that General Electric Co. will be stripped of its top credit rating.

    Merrill Probe on Bonuses Stymied by Bank of America, New York’s Cuomo Says Bank of America Corp. is still interfering in his investigation into bonuses given to Merrill Lynch & Co. employees, New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/index.html?Intro=intro_news

    There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”
    –Daniel Webster

  • SandyS

    I agree with you, but more importantly, I love your name! I’ve been a fan for over 40 years. Maybe this is the year. Everything else is dire, perhaps, the Cubs will actually win.

  • Diana

    Oo maybe they could hire on Ann and pair her up with Keith. ;)

  • no kidding

    If Jim Cramer is so brilliant why was he fooled into voting for Obama. He has only just discovered that Obama is no moderate. duhhhhhhh

  • lark

    I think it is a possibility that GE will dump their cable news companies and some entrepreneur like Trump would pick them up.

  • no kidding

    Is a moderate Depression like being a little bit pregnant?

    Never mind its all Rush Limbaugh’s fault. No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

  • no kidding

    SandyS — Add me to the diehard Cub Fans who have waited all our lives for a winner. Now I also wait for a sign that Obama actually cares about the American people. To tell us that the Stock Market is simply a political poll does an injustice to the 50% of Americans who worked hard all their lives to put away enough for their retirement. Hopelessness and chump change is all that’s left of the great nation formerly known as the USA.

  • no kidding

    Diana — When Obama trashes our economy everyday and warns us it will get worse then he owns what’s happening in the Stock Market. And when he trashes the Investor class and forgets that ordinary people’s 401Ks are being destroyed–then he shows how little he cares about the American people.

  • destardi

    Oh PLEASE.

    “button gate”. What the fuck does that even mean? Personally, it looks like a setup to me.

    People making “buttongate” out to be anything more than a blip, I question whether they’re really bush supporters. Cuz you know teh shrub did SUCH a better job at running the damn country.

    Just what America needs…two inept, and totally in-over-their-heads Presidents right in a row.

  • JustMe~~

    we are living Obama-gate that is more worrying…
    Even the Russians took the red button gaffe well Obama lives by gaffes a day lets not preach to the chior right John?

  • C.S.

    It seems to have escaped Mr. Soertoro/Obama’s attention, along with the vote-more-stimulus boosters, that an 8.1% unemployment rate will produce a drop in taxes of 8.1%.

    Now I realize that it’s hard for those who have never held a job and had to live within that job’s salary to understand the reality that most of us live on what we earn with our labor. No “friends” who finance mansions for us to live. No political “friends” to fete us in Chicago society while we pursue part time work that leaves no papertrail.

    Just, hopefully, family or friends to help us out when we become part of that quickly expanding 8.1% the Obamas never think about while partying the night away in Our White House.

  • oowawa

    A “moderate depression”? The market analyst Karl Denninger, who runs the Market Ticker website and has a very negative view of the current economic situation, offered the following video as an analogy of the moderate depression we are about to endure:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGWMs5cdQ2k

  • JulieD

    How clueless do you have to be to live in Chicago and not know where the Great Lakes are?

    For more than a year, he played cards in Springfield, IL and never learned the difference between St. Louis and Kansas City, MO.

    And expressed this stupidity at the DNC convention to a national audience.

    Ivy League educations rely on screening who gets in –

    and everybody knows how idiots 43 and 44 got in.

    Without a teleprompter, B.O. sounds like a different person. Uhh, uuHHmmm, you know….

  • destardi

    THANK YOU, Linda.

    Where do these people get off saying FDR helped make the Depression worse?

    Geez. And Bill Clinton caused us to be where we are now, while the moon’s made of cheese.

  • jwrjr

    That speaks volumes about Schumer, doesn’t it? None of it good.

  • Ferd Berfle

    while the moon’s made of cheese.

    Yeah, for sure–and we never landed there, either.

  • JozefAL

    And what will you do IF Catholic hospitals suddenly were to decide that one must accept Catholic instruction as part of one’s care in the facility? Or suppose the Catholic Church decided that their facilities have a RIGHT to deny people service because the person is, well, Jewish or a Wiccan or agnostic? Would THAT not also be “freedom of religion” in action?
    See, THAT is the great folly of this “conscientious objection” bull that so-called Christians are pulling (and waaaaay too many people are falling for). We’ve actually got
    “religious” people working in pharmacies claiming their “religious beliefs” prohibit their selling contraceptives or providing PHYSICIAN-PRESCRIBED birth control. There are doctors at FERTILITY clinics denying women services because the women are either single or lesbian and these doctors claim their “religious beliefs” prohibit them from providing service to unmarried women (of course, none of them show the religious justification FOR the existence of a fertility clinic in the first place).
    Sorry, but if the Catholic Church (or any other religious facility) wants to pull this “conscientious objection” crap, they’d better make sure the doctors in their employ aren’t performing any type of unsanctioned medicine. I don’t believe there’s any precedent for cosmetic surgery in the Bible (or even in Vatican teaching). For that matter, there’s actually NO Biblical precedent for the very practice of medicine. Look it up. Which Biblical personage was a doctor or even a nurse or professional midwife? Answer–NONE. We only have historical TRADITION to designate the author of the Gospel of Luke as a “physician”, but the only “healing” that took place in the Bible was performed by NON-medical people.
    If Catholic hospitals don’t want to play by the RULES that govern other hospitals (in terms of non-discrimination policies), then the government is under no obligation to use federal monies to reimburse those hospitals for Medicaid and Medicare patients’ costs.
    The Pope and the rest of the backwards-thinking Vatican clique (who are really no better than the Muslims that so many “conservatives” scream about) have NO EFFIN’ BUSINESS getting involved in the affairs of this country. Don’t forget that the last two Presidential elections have been tainted by Vatican interference with Catholic priests and bishops claiming that Catholic politicians who don’t abide strictly by Vatican dogma should be denied the sacraments. How different is that from the Taliban? Huh?

  • JRD

    JosefAl that has not happened ever. Why would Catholic hospitals start those practices now. Sorry, your argument is bogus. The Catholic Church has not changed the rules. Obama did. The Catholics are going to practice civil disobedience. So what, get over it. It`s better than shutting the hospitals down. Live and let live. There are more important things to be concerned about. Like if America will continue to exist.

  • JozefAL

    Boy, it must be nice living in such a mathematically-simplistic world.
    The fact is that the taxes won’t drop by the same percentage as the unemployment rate. It would ONLY work that way if everyone received the same rate of pay, regardless of their job. Also, bear in mind that many highly-paid workers take many deductions from the amount of tax they owed (things like medical costs, housing, even job commutes) which are less readily available to lower-paid workers. Even single workers are taxed at a higher rate than married couples (who get to CHOOSE whether to file their taxes jointly or separately) and people with children get deductions for those expenses (not just the kids themselves, but many related expenses, such as child care, education and medical expenses) which, of course, are simply not there for the childless. Homeowners in general get tax benefits which are largely unavailable to renters.
    Bear also in mind that when Reagan did his great tax cut in the 1980s, the unemployment rate didn’t shift downwards by the same percentage (it couldn’t simply for the fact that would’ve meant we had a negative unemployment rate*). Nor did the rate drop by a relative percentage (IOW, if the tax rates went down by 1/3, then the unemployment rate would’ve likewise gone down by 1/3).

    *A negative unemployment rate of 5% would mean that a labor force of 150 million people would have 157.5 million people working (if that were the case, you could say bye-bye to decent wages–employers would have no reason to pay even minimum wage because there would, quite literally, be someone willing to take the job you wouldn’t).

  • trixta

    Trolling, trolling, trolling …. keep your cattle rolling … blah, blahhhh ….

  • trixta

    [Comments direct at those dissing Cramer.]

  • trixta

    Meanwhile gift-gate by the “elegant” prez goes unreported by the msm.

  • trixta

    Come on! HRC is just trying to survive by staying in the game. I didn’t want her anywhere near Bo, but there she is and we and the world are better for it. She’s the only bright spot in his entire administration. Had she remained in the Senate, Obot Senators would have neutralized any power or standing she might have had in the Senate. After all, didn’t Ted and his excellent-adventure cohorts wrest the health care issue from her?

  • Miss H

    We better watch those “good ole boys”; if GE goes into the tank, there is only one way out; it is spelled WAR!

  • Linda C.

    Let’s take you argument to its terrible conclusion
    Hoover’s policies didn’t work. FDR’s policies didn’t work, but helped people survive. WWII created a demand for manufacturing and that is what got the country going again.
    If Hoover didn’t help and FDR didn’t help, we are now confronted with the reality that we no longer have a manufacturing base. Thus, we are screwed and nothing is ever going to help. Stocks will continue to be depressed for the next 30 – 40 years and most folks will have to work until they are 100 years old.

  • Linda C.

    There is a particular reason why the Amish don’t insist on being bus drivers. Maybe the religious zealots should look to them for how to live within the confines of their own established dogma.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    got two wars now..no more please..

  • Cindy

    olivia—-that’s wonderful that you are having a women’s day celebration in your community….we did yesterday! Hoory for all who are doing so!

  • Cindy

    olivia—-that’s wonderful that you are having a women’s day celebration in your community….we did yesterday! Hooray for all who are doing so!

  • Tuppence411

    Whoa JozefAL…. chill. All I know is if I ever wanted 8 embryos implanted, assisted euthanasia, or an abortion, I sure as heck would know better than to go to a Sisters of Charity Hospital for Pete’s sake! I would go elsewhere.

    The point of my post was that Barky is miscalculating. He is under the impression he can get the Catholic hospitals to roll back their right to life positions. Well, they called his bluff and raised him 600 closed hospitals.

    Regardless of religion, the health care crisis in this country can not withstand religious organizations getting out of the health care business. Nor as a country could we afford to build the institutions to replace them.

  • rw

    –This official “recession” has been going on since Dec of 2007. It wasn’t until September of 2008 that the previous administration realized that there was a problem with the financial sector even though there had been many indicators that there were severe problems including the LIBOR rate.–

    Read an article in Columbia U. mag. of a professor, can’t remember which one, who was a NY FED. member till August 2008, that was called from vacation for an “emergency” meeting in January 2008…Adm. not only realized by KNEW what the financial situation was and where it was headed. Wish I hadn’t discarded the mag.

  • WhatNow

    JozefAL You sound like you have copied and pasted the soundbites but your follow through is lacking in substance – The reality of what “rich” people can do is far less than what you know about. For instance in your statement:
    The fact is that the taxes won’t drop by the same percentage as the unemployment rate. ********Since many highly paid people are becoming unemployed this means that there will be MORE of a tax drop to the federal government than was anticipated.

    bear in mind that many highly-paid workers take many deductions from the amount of tax they owed (things like medical costs, housing, even job commutes) which are less readily available to lower-paid workers ********** All of the deductions are available to lower-paid workers that itemize –the medical cost is a percentage of your income. Only the people with a true medical problem that’s not covered by insurance can even come close to claiming medical expenses. Housing – you can only deduct what the finance charges are. In fact, being highly paid will probably give you a lower interest rate which in turn will make your finance charges lower and therefore have a much lower deduction than someone paying more in finance charges.

    How do you deduct job commutes??
    Truly rich can not take deductions for education, child care, IRA contributions, etc. They are also penalized for filing seperately if married.
    So how are highly paid workers further ahead than lower paid workers that fall into all the categories that give them special deductions?

  • rw

    Do it Murdoch, do it…pleeeaaasseee.

    There go the andropause man and his tingle leg partner, oh, and mad cow (with due respect to cows), oh and Branicle prick…oh and pimp mouth Shuester.

    Please keep technocrat Buchanan, he knows his stuff…

  • termo

    Standed corrected. FDR inherited a Depression and made it a Great Depression.

    It took almost that long for Hoover to realize that the markets were not going to “fix themselves”.

    It is historical record that Hoover threw government intervention into this which made a bad situation worse.

    FDR took over and through even more massive and reckless government intervention – much of it based on socialist policy of Stalin’s Russia.
    What FDR did that was unconstitutional was already instituted and had its ill effects.

    We do know and have carefully examined what Hoover and FDR did. It has been accessed and shown to be detrimental with consequences that did not allow private enterprise to rebuild and placed all stimulus in the hands of the government. What you call “revisionism” is left wing liberals not having answers for that analysis.

    As far as the current recession, the only “revisionism” is what you left wing radicals term a recession. Show me one quarter in 2007 when there was negative GDP, because its takes 2 straight quarters of negative GDP to be the definition of a recession.

    I would suggest a course in Eco 101 for all you Obama kool aid drinkers, but I would suggest it most for Captain Clueless himself.

  • Ferd Berfle

    The point of my post was that Barky is miscalculating. He is under the impression he can get the Catholic hospitals to roll back their right to life positions. Well, they called his bluff and raised him 600 closed hospitals…Regardless of religion, the health care crisis in this country can not withstand religious organizations getting out of the health care business.

    You are spot on. Their rules are their rules. Moreover, I only go to Catholic hospitals because their care and concern is second to none. That One is certainly a neophyte in these shades-of-gray issues. It will be a long four years.

  • harper

    thank you

  • elise

    If what you are saying is true (WW11 brought the country out of the depression) we should be in good shape now since we have two wars to fight. Paul Wolfwitz made a similar argument for invading Iraq and said Iraqi oil would pay for the war. Until the Republicans decided to re-write history, economists said the turning point was 1933, the year of the Tennessee Valley Authority followed by the Works Progress Administration in 1935 which put people back to work. And I am in no way defending the current administrations policy which as far as I can tell, has nothing in common with the programs begun by Roosevelt. Social Security was/is the most perfect program ever created by any society to care for the elderly and would never have been in trouble if it hadn’t been raided by every government since Eisenhower. It wasn’t established in response to the depression, but because the population was increasingly urban where before, families and communities had cared for the older population. I can’t imagine why anyone would define it as socialist since it is funded by savings over a lifetime. When the stock market did or didn’t make a comeback has little to do with average Americans then because not a large part of the population invested. One big difference between then and now are 401Ks and the tendency in recent years to invest/gamble on the market.

  • elise

    It was a restart button and the Russian Foreign Minister was not offended unlike the British who have every right to feel slighted. There is no “Buttongate”. Get over yourself and the CDS.

  • elise

    Olivia, so nice you had an International Women’s Day celebration in your town. Don’t you think it might be more helpful if you had made a comment about Rihanna considering reconciliation with her abuser than undermining Hillary?

    “stood behind Hillary even after the Democrat’s took everything away from her and I still believe we would be better off had she won but..”

    Really? Who would you prefer as SoS and what would you like to see Hillary doing? As far as I can tell, Obama is completely disengaged from Foreign Policy except for an occasional remark. And in what way, specifically, has she disappointed you? I just really have trouble believing anyone who makes a comment about Hillary followed by a “but”.

  • daisyjane

    It should be no surprise to anyone that Obama seems as disturbed over Wall Street losses as he might be over missing a free throw in a pickup game with Arne.

    He has less than 15 cents of every dollar of his net worth in the stock market, even if you use the most generous limits on each monetary bracket:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/CIDsummary.php?CID=N00009638&year=2007

    It sure appears to me that the bulk of his net worth is in checking, money market, and Illinois state pension accounts. You couldn’t get much safer than this.

    He’s no risk taker. But he’s also not a capitalist, either.

  • mountainaires

    A Response to TrollTrixta:

    Cramer is King! He’s called the market bottom, just as he did the recession bottom, and the housing market bottom–er, not so much–but here is the “truth” ala Jim “The King” Cramer!

    Jim Cramer has had it with all these people calling for DOW 4000. He’s done the math on his worst-case scenario, and the lowest number he can come up with is 5320.

    That’s only another 18% down from here!

    Jim’s assumptions?

    GM goes to zero
    Bank stocks to $1
    Microsoft to $13
    Merck to $15
    Etc.

    Only another 18%? After where we’ve come from, that’s no problem. Unless Jim’s wrong.

    [which he usually is...]. ;-)

    http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-cramer-only-another-18-downside-on-the-dow-2009-3

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdDnWQvS978&eurl=http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-cramer-only-another-18-downside-on-the-dow-2009-3

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