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All Hat, No Cattle, and Kid Gloves [Updated]

Here’s a video created by one of our readers:

Another longtime friend e-mailed me and asked if anyone’s used the phrase, “The Audacity of Hype.” I cranked up Google Web search. The results? “Personalized Results 1 – 10 of about 339,000 for The Audacity of Hype.” (No one summed it up better than Gloria Steinem in her NYT op-ed, “Women Are Never Front Runners,” when she asserted that a woman with Obama’s lack of experience would never be taken seriously as a presidential candidate.)

Among the results is “The audacity of hype: Just what else has Obama wrought?” by Charles Krauthammer, a neo-con. But, whatever you think of Krauthammer, you can’t read it without howling in laughter, and some pain. (See my story, “If the Shoe Fits … [UPDATED].”)

But Obama gets away with it. And so do the largely besotted media. (If he had run the “3 a.m.” ad, they’d say he was displaying his readiness to tackle national security issues. When she ran it, they said she was using the politics of fear. Forgive me for saying that Clinton was pointing out that she’s ready for national emergency calls at 3 a.m., and he’s not.) UPDATE from Kevin Drum via Big Tent Democrat’s “More on the 3am Ad” at TalkLeft:

Why is it somehow OK for John McCain to run on the basis of being the guy who can protect America while Hillary shouldn’t? Why are we often so eager to practically concede to Republicans exactly the stereotypes they want voters to believe about us?

And the standards by which the media operate? As Bridget Nacos, a professor and regular reader of NoQuarter, wrote, “Although certainly not revealing gender biases, the mainstream media continue to cover male and female politicians quite differently.” Dr. Nacos points out what Hillary’s 2006 GOP opponent did:

In New York’s senatorial race between the incumbent Hillary Clinton and challenger John Spencer, attacked his opponent’s ugliness, accused her of having spent a fortune to improve her looks, and mocked her husband for not having married a pretty girl. One could not possibly imagine such a punch under the belt against a male candidate for whatever political office.

From “If the Shoe Fits” on February 15 that illustrates the inherent sexism that Obama exploits at times, and the pervasive sexism of the largely white-male media:

Barack Obama today [February 15]:

“I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal,” he said. “But I think this kind of gamesmanship is not what the American people are looking for.”

UPDATE: The video is from Taylor Marsh, who also adds this quote in her excellent article, “Barack Obama’s Thinking is So Last Century,” I hadn’t seen before which is so sexist (a la cat fights) that I have no question he’s a misogynist:

“You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out.” – Senator Barack Obama

Taylor also has the exchange with MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell and Norah O’Donnell, who get it about Obama’s remark today (re the text at the top and in the video):

Nora O’Donnell: “He said, ‘I understand when she’s down (emphasis hers), that she makes these kinds of attacks. It’s getting a little personal.”

Andrea Mitchell: “It’s getting a little personal and, very frankly, you know how deeply we interpreted every comment to look for some sort of racial motivation before South Carolina. A lot of people said it was there. But, you know, when you start describing a female (emphasis hers) candidate as being “down” and “striking back.” I don’t know, that’s a little edgy, don’t you think?”

Nora O’Donnell: “Yeah. And I think there’s gonna be a lot more comments about that.”

I hope so, Norah. I do. But since most of the TV MSM is male, probably not. Thank you to you and Andrea Mitchell for getting it. Don’t always agree with your reporting, but I must acknowledge, as another woman, that I recognize that god only knows what you two have had to put up with professional and privately in your lives. It never gets easy for a woman, especially in a male-dominated profession.

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THEN there was David Fiderer’s guest column here on January 5, “Maureen Dowd, and The Women of Washington Who Project on to Hillary.” Ms. Dowd’s “issues” regarding Hillary Clinton are well-known. But Fiderer’s analysis is revelatory and devastating and, once again, points out the irrational biases by supposed journalists like Ms. Dowd — along with other media observers’ obsession with psychoanalyzing the Clintons:

Now I suspect we’re getting into some touchy territory here – you never know where a faith healer may lead you – but hear me out. Did you ever consider that your intimacy chakra might become unblocked if you dropped your obsession with the Clintons’ marital life? You should schedule a follow-up session with your faith healer to confirm the diagnosis, but a quick review of your columns over the past four months shows repeated and unmistakable signs of psychological projection.

Projection is where you attribute to others your own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts and emotions. In this case, you neurotically attribute to Hillary Clinton your own inability to connect emotionally with men, and therefore feel a need to portray the Clintons, whose marriage has endured, like Lord and Lady Macbeth.

Before anyone reduces this thesis to “Maureen’s-jealous-because-Hillary-has-a-husband,” let me assure you that some men appear similarly afflicted in the psychological projection department. A few conspicuous examples: … Read all.

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In a supposed “news” article, “For Obama, a Taste of What a Long Battle Would Hold,” the New York Times‘s Adam Nagourney fretted about what Obama would face in a general election contest:

[S]hould Mr. Obama win the nomination, he will be playing on a more treacherous political battleground as his opponents — scouring through his record of votes and statements and his experiences before he entered public life — look for ways to portray him as out of step with the nation’s values, challenge his appeal to independent voters and emphasize his lack of experience in foreign policy and national security.

Some of this will almost certainly take the shape of the Internet rumors and whispering campaigns that have popped up against Mr. Obama since he got into the race, like the false reports that he is Muslim. Others will no doubt come from the types of shadowy independent committees that have played a big role in campaigns in recent years. …

No doubt Nagourney will be there to faithfully report every instance, real or not, in which Obama is attacked. Thankfully, a few “truthtellers” like Sean Wilentz of The New Republic see it a bit differently:

Race Man
by Sean Wilentz
How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.
Post Date Wednesday, February 27, 2008

After several weeks of swooning, news reports are finally being filed about the gap between Senator Barack Obama’s promises of a pure, soul-cleansing “new” politics and the calculated, deeply dishonest conduct of his actually-existing campaign. But it remains to be seen whether the latest ploy by the Obama camp–over allegations about the circulation of a photograph of Obama in ceremonial Somali dress–will be exposed by the press as the manipulative illusion that it is.

Most of the recent correctives have concerned outrageously deceptive advertisements approved and released by Obama’s campaign. First, in Iowa, the Obama camp aired radio ads patterned on the notorious “Harry and Louise” Republican propaganda from 1993, charging falsely that Senator Hillary Clinton’s health care proposal would “force those who cannot afford health insurance to buy it, punishing those who won’t fall in line.” In subsequent primary and caucus campaigns, the Obama campaign sent out millions of mailers, also featuring the “Harry and Louise” motif, falsely claiming that Clinton favored “punishing families who can’t afford health care in the first place.” A few bloggers and columnists, notably Paul Krugman in The New York Times, described the ads as distorting, but the national press corps mainly ignored them–until Clinton herself, seeing the fraudulent mailers reappear in Ohio over the past weekend, publicly denounced them.

The Obama mass mailings also attempt to appeal to Ohio’s labor vote by claiming that Clinton believed that the North American Free Trade Agreement, signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton, was a “‘boon’ to our economy.” More falsehood: In fact, Clinton had not said that; Newsday originally applied the word “boon” and has now noted the Obama campaign’s distortion. In this campaign, Clinton has called for a moratorium on all trade agreements until they are made consistent with labor and environmental standards–and account for the effect on jobs in the United States. Obama makes a big deal about how Bill Clinton signed NAFTA. But he fails to mention that, within the councils of her husband’s administration, Hillary Clinton was a skeptic of free trade agreements, and as a senator and candidate she has said that NAFTA contained flaws that need to be rectified. Ignoring all that, the Obama flyer features an alarming photograph of closed plant gates, having no connection to any action of Senator Clinton’s, as well as the dubious quotation about her from Newsday in 2006. Newsday has criticized “Obama’s use of the quotation” as “misleading … an example of the kind of slim reeds campaigns use to try and win an office.” Obama, without retracting the mailing (and while playing to protectionist sentiment in the party) said only that he would have his staff look into the matter–long after the ad has done its dirty work.

Misleading propaganda is hardly new in American politics –although the adoption of techniques reminiscent of past Republican and special-interest hit jobs, right down to a retread of the fictional couple, seems strangely at odds with a campaign that proclaims it will redeem the country from precisely these sorts of divisive and manipulative tactics. As insidious as these tactics are, though, the Obama campaign’s most effective gambits have been far more egregious and dangerous than the hypocritical deployment of deceptive and disingenuous attack ads. To a large degree, the campaign’s strategists turned the primary and caucus race to their advantage when they deliberately, falsely, and successfully portrayed Clinton and her campaign as unscrupulous race-baiters–a campaign-within-the-campaign in which the worked-up flap over the Somali costume photograph is but the latest episode. While promoting Obama as a “post-racial” figure, his campaign has purposefully polluted the contest with a new strain of what historically has been the most toxic poison in American politics.

More than any other maneuver, this one has brought Clinton into disrepute with important portions of the Democratic Party. A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the “race card” were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters and to outrage affluent, college-educated white liberals as well as college students. The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the “race-baiter card” before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada–and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters. This development is the latest sad commentary on the malign power of the press, hyping its own favorites and tearing down those it dislikes, to create pseudo-scandals of the sort that hounded Al Gore during the 2000 campaign. It is also a commentary on how race can make American politics go haywire. Above all, it is a commentary on the cutthroat, fraudulent politics that lie at the foundation of Obama’s supposedly uplifting campaign. … Read all.

David Fiderer has some priceless Dowd quotes. Among them:

Just when I thought I was out, the Clintons pull me back into their conjugal psychodrama. 12/23/07

As any former regular viewer of MSNBC (like me) knows, the “conjugal psychodrama” consumes all of the pundits and hosts of Hardball, Tucker, and the other shows that specialize in psychoanalyzing Bill and Hillary — and that specialize in looking for any instance that they can pounce on. Like Bill Clinton’s remarks in South Carolina, which are these days reported “factually” as evidence that the Clinton campaign used race to advance Hillary’s campaign. Wilentz again (and there’s much more preceding this that explains it all in more devastating detail):

By the time the Obama campaign backed off from agitating the King-Johnson pseudo-scandal, it had already trained its sights on Bill Clinton–by far the most popular U.S. president among African Americans over the past quarter-century. Not only were Bill and Hillary supposedly ganging up on Obama in South Carolina–”I can’t tell who I’m running against sometimes,” Obama complained during the South Carolina debate–the former president was supposedly off on a race-baiting tear of his own. Yet, once again, the charges were either distortions or outright inventions.

The Obama campaign’s “fairy tale” gambit was particularly transparent. Commenting on Obama’s explanation of why he is more against the war in Iraq than Hillary Clinton, and disturbed by the news media’s failure to report Obama’s actual voting record on Iraq in the Senate, the former president referred to what had become the conventional wisdom as a “fairy tale” concocted by Obama and his supporters. Time to play the race-baiter card! One of Obama’s most prominent backers, the mayor of Atlanta, Shirley Franklin, stretched Clinton’s remarks and implied that he had called Obama’s entire candidacy a fairy tale. (The mayor later coyly told a reporter for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that she had not intended to criticize Clinton: “Surely you don’t mean he’s the only one who can use the phrase ‘fairy tale,’” Franklin said, in a tone that the reporter described as “mock indignation.”) Appearing on CNN, one of its pundits, Donna Brazile, hurled the wild charge that Clinton had likened Obama to a child. “And I will tell you,” she concluded, “as an African American I find his words and his tone to be very depressing.” With those kinds of remarks–”as an African American”–the race card and the race-baiter card both came back into play. Although Brazile is formally not part of Obama’s campaign, her comments made their way to the South Carolina memo, offered as evidence that Clinton’s comment was racially insensitive.

On January 26, Obama won a major victory in South Carolina by gaining the overwhelming majority of the black vote and a much smaller percentage of the white vote, for a grand total of 55 percent. Although the turnout, of course, was much larger for the 2008 primaries than for any previous primary or caucus, Obama had assembled a victorious coalition analogous to that built by Jesse Jackson in the 1984 and 1988 South Carolina caucuses. (Bill Clinton won the 1992 state primary with 69 percent of the vote, far outstripping either Jackson’s or Obama’s percentages.)

When asked by a reporter on primary day why it would take two Clintons to beat Obama, the former president, in good humor, laughed and said that he would not take the bait:

“Jesse Jackson won in South Carolina twice in ’84 and ’88 and he ran a good campaign. And Senator Obama’s run a good campaign. He’s run a good campaign everywhere. He’s a good candidate with a good organization.”

According to Obama and his supporters, here was yet another example of subtle race-baiting. Clinton had made no mention of race. But by likening Jackson’s victories and Obama’s impending victory and by praising Obama as a good candidate not simply in South Carolina but everywhere, Clinton was trying to turn Obama into the “black” candidate and racialize the campaign. Or so the pro-Obama camp charged. …

But what do I know. I’m just a woman. Like Alegre, who guest-posts here often. She and I were attacked yesterday in a Daily Kos diary. Forgive me for thinking it was sexist, but I can’t help myself. The title of the diary?

“SHOCKER:SusanHu/Alegre to mudwrestle over Blue Dress”

I’m sure that Maureen Dowd will be writing a column any day now on the rampant sexism at Daily Kos.

Or, most probably, she’ll laugh at the title, and minimize it by accusing Alegre and me of not focusing on the Clintons’ psychodrama and Bill’s race-baiting.

  • DCDemocrat

    Frankly, here we are, three years into Obama’s time in the Senate, and he has yet to serve a day in the Senate.

    Just words indeed.

  • CK

    After a long courtship, John Keating5 McCain has obtained the support of Rev Hagee. Having chased him for over a year, McCain consumated the quest the other day. Standing arm in arm with Rev. Hagee, John proclaimed how proud he was to have that endorsement.
    It will be interesting in the GE to watch the videos of Hagee’s excoritions of catholicism, and the RC church played over and over. I will be delightful to watch the videos of Hagee’s desire for armageddon and the destruction of the jews to be played over and over. Having been asked to repudiate the endorsement, Senator John Keating5 McCain refused to do so. Anti catholicism had a long run in the USA in the late 1800′s. There was even a political party whose only platform plank was the deportation of all catholics.
    76.9 million americans profess that faith in the USA.
    approx 26% of the population have just seen a presidential candidate adore and admire a man who calls the Catholic church a “whore church,” and catholicism a “cult.”
    I guess that to John Keating5 McCain this is just more “straight talk.”
    A consumation devoutly to be desired, that the McCain Republican party will be lucky to take even one state in the coming election.
    I shall await Tim Russert’s hard gotcha questions to McCain about this endorsement but I shall not hold my breath while I wait.

  • Mike Howell

    DCDemocrat –

    You’re good! Of course he wouldn’t have been celebrating any U.S. holidays because his is the only greatness he and his wife have been able to see in their shallow self-centered lives.

    Perpetually running for a higher office while trying to cash in on that position must be tiring.

    He can’t be bothered convening the Senate subcommitteee he chairs that covers NATO and Europe during two wars, just like he couldn’t be bothered with helping his constituents who were freezing in Rezko’s unheated buildings.

    It would have interfered with HIS PLANS!

  • Simon

    http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080229/NATION04/643772400/0/FRONTPAGE

    Very interesting article about Auchi, Obama’s sugar daddy.

    In part, references are cited from a Pentagon report, attesting to Auchi’s corruption, and involvement with Saddam.

    Hm. I wonder if Auchi will have his lawyers sue the Pentagon, as he’s quick to squash press that shows him to the bumpkin Iraqi he really is, despite his pretensions toward British royalty.

    And the hits keep a coming…

  • kenoshaMarge

    McCain will be lucky to take even one state in the coming election? How in the world could you come to a conclusion like that?

    I wouldn’t vote for McCain no matter what but there a whole lot of people, including some Democrats, that would. I would also never vote for Obama.

    I don’t like Obama for a number of reasons and I like his followers even less. They are, for the most part, nasty people who will attack anyone that dares question their darling. Questions are not allowed in the cult of the One.

    But anyone that thinks defeating McCain will be easy just isn’t facing facts. Media will give him every break in the book. He’s always been their darling and once they have successfully taken Hillary Clinton down, with the help and support of the left, they’ll train their guns on Obama. And it will not be pretty.

    Those of us who have watched in dismay while the left has consented to the attacks and unfairness of many of those attacks on a fellow Democrat, may not much give a damn when they savage Obama. After all, we did warn everyone that it would happen.

  • Simon

    I wouldn’t vote for McCain no matter what

    Why?

    I hear this frequently, the same people who despise Obama seem to despise McCain, equally.

    I’m not being facetious, I’d like to know what you think of McCain.

    Is McCain as corrupt as Obama, same “financial investors?”

  • CK

    @KMarge:
    Here is how I come to “that conclusion.”
    We are right now at this very moment in a recession. By this October, the USA will be in a DEPRESSION. A Bush/McCain depression.
    A depression allied with a dollar that is falling through the floor; headed toward mexican peso range. Falling dollars = higher import prices.
    Some imports can be foregone by the citizens, flat panel tvs, new computers, kias. Others can’t be foregone: can you do without gasoline, food, clothes. America’s necessities are no longer made in america. We can’t even make the boots for our “boots on the ground”. We can make helmets for our military, unfortunately the helmets are made by a repubican firm and don’t stop bullets.
    McCain has alligned himself with the biggest religious bigot in the USA in Rev. Hagee. McCain has just called 30% of the people in this country: “cultists members of a whore church” to quote the dear rev.
    McCain is OLD. If elected he would be the oldest president. He has already had two bouts with cancer. He is for 100 more years of failing war fought with borrowed money. Only there are no nations left that want to lend any more money to the bankrupt.
    This is what McCain has to run on: Lost wars, bigotry, racism, and economic Depression.
    Oh Oh but McCain is all like a brilliant man on national security. No, being a bad pilot and doing 5 years as a POW doesn’t make one a security expert. It does allow one to be a flip-flopper on torture.
    Yes yes the republican media will try to tilt the tables, yes the republicans will try their old rovian crap and some of you will buy it. And when you can’t buy the gas to fill the car to get to the job that hasn’t given you a raise in years.
    When the inflation means you have to use credit but there is nothing left to borrow on your no longer existent home equity and your credit card is maxed. Bush/McCain economy will ring really loudly in your ears and will determine your vote.
    So let’s ask who will vote for John Keating5 McCain? A few bigots, a bunch of racists, the neocons and the few remaining Goldman Sachs Bank of America executives. He might take Arizona but the dems are showing well there. He has a shot in Louisiana now that most of the blacks population of N.O. has been sent away, but then the folks that are left in NOLA are not exceedingly happy about how that republican reconstruction is coming along. He just lost the jewish vote in FLA thanks to Hagee’s desire to see Israel destroyed so that Revelations comes true for American non catholic fundies. McCain might have some pull left with parts of the hispanic communities due to his vigorous support of the Kennedy McCain amnesty bill, and his long time support of not talking to Cuba.
    Economics Bigotry and War McCain is wrong on all three and is the avid inheritor of all three. I think he might take Mississippi or Alabama.

  • rjj

    My vote for McCain depends on his VP choice.

    a woman with Obama’s lack of experience would never be taken seriously as a presidential candidate.

    nor would a white man.

    And the standards by which the media operate?

    It is not sexism. HRC has been declared FAIR GAME. We see it in operation, but don’t understand the rules:

    * who is authorized to call it?
    * what is the basis of their power to do so?
    * how is it enforced – what are the penalties for opting out/noncompliance?

  • Ned Bulous

    Well, we know that Clinton is more corrupt than Obama by far! There is no evidence that Obama has engaged in anything illegal and it is very clear that the Clintons have more corrupt fundraisers. This site has turned into a cesspool of slander, innuendo and lies.

    Look, there is ZERO chance that Clinton will win the nomination. And if she can’t beat Obama in the primaries, there is NO WAY that she could beat McCain in the fall. Yet she refuses to give up which only demonstrates her “power hungry, do anything or say anything to win” attitude. It is clear that she was never too interested in being a Senator, but was only using it as a stepstone for her presidential ambitions.

    After tuesday, it’s all over for her. The only question is will she realize it, or will she continue to destroy what remains of the CLinton legacy?

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Great points.

    No clue about the answers to your Qs. Read somewhere in the last day — where? — New Republic? — that the reporter asked Sidney Blumenthal about it, and was told that insular D.C. always have considered the Clintons to be Arkansas trailer trash.

    That explains quite a bit of it. But Barack and Michelle don’t exactly come from “upper crust” backgrounds. How will insular D.C. rationalize that one?

  • Ned Bulous

    >>nor would a white man.

    How much foreign policy experience did Bill CLinton have as governor of AR? What about GW Bush?

  • CK

    @ KMarge:
    If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Obama and absolutely will not vote McCain, you don’t have a lot of choices remaining. Nader? Libertarian?
    Write in Someone ( hope your precinct doesn’t use electronic voting machines ), stay home and buy that old bumpersticker: Don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for anything.
    Oh and the latest surveys are showing the continual decrease in the use of the deadtree and publicairwave media as sources of information for the citizenry. It is one of the reasons that deadtree and publicairwave are becoming more and more yelling and screaming and foolishness. The folks on those media already smell their own irrelevance and are desparate.
    What is relevant is who is out there working to elect their preferred candidate. Not who is doing phone calls to tv personalities but who is putting up the signs, walking the precincts, knocking on the doors, spreading the word. And right now the relevance appears to be with the guy you don’t like.
    So you can do whatever is within your capabilities to change that relevance in your precinct or wherever your voice and your efforts will have the most effect.

  • Simon

    Oh,Neb, shut up, foo.

    You’re just silly.

  • rjj

    It’s not a matter of breeding or background.

    The DC nomenklatura may not have had him over for dinner, but the media didn’t fuck around with Tom Delay, did they?

  • rjj

    It’s not a matter of breeding or background.

    The DC nomenklatura may not have had him over for dinner, but the media didn’t fuck around with Tom Delay, did they?

    going to risk a double post and hit the button again.

  • Ned Bulous

    >>I don’t like Obama for a number of reasons and I like his followers even less. They are, for the most part, nasty people who will attack anyone that dares question their darling. Questions are not allowed in the cult of the One.

    Hey, that’s ironic! It seems like this site has turned into a poorly-sourced tabloid smear site on Obama. There are few, if any, legitimate questions. And anyone who dares criticize Sen. Clinton for legimate reasons gets nonsensical “foo Chinese eating foo shithead fucker” responses.

    I was on the fence for a long time, but much prefer Obama at this point. In fact, his supporters are more issue-based, while Clinton’s followers seem to be engaging in Rovian-type smears and changing the rules of the game. It’s quite sad, really. Obama is more progressive, has more broad-based support, and is more able to get our agenda through. Yet there’s all this innuendo about “Nation of Islam” supporters, phony drug charges, unfounded attacks on his financial dealings, etc. It reminds me of what the Clintons went through during the 90′s!

    Hey, if you believe that Obama is as bad as this site seems to think, why is Clinton “honored” to serve with him? Were you also gullible enough to think that she killed Vince Foster and dragged his body to a park? Or all the other lies spread about the Clintons?

  • Simon

    No, McCain projects the image of stability.

    And you are completely discounting the Rezko trial, and the insinuations that will be made about the Bamster, most of them true.

    Really, the phone rings at 3:00 am.

    If you want Obama to answer it, you’re brainwashed.

  • Ned Bulous

    And if you want Clinton or McCain to answer it, you approve of the foreign policy decisions of GW Bush!

  • Simon

    Hey, if you believe that Obama is as bad as this site seems to think, why is Clinton “honored” to serve with him? Were you also gullible enough to think that she killed Vince Foster and dragged his body to a park? Or all the other lies spread about the Clintons?

    No one pays attention to you, except to mock you, foo.

    You have no idea what you’re speaking of, what you’re doing.

    You are, perhaps, the most personally obtuse man I have ever witnessed.

  • Ned Bulous

    Didn’t he sponsor the Ethics Reform Bill and help get it passed? What about the Obama-Luger Bill securing and tracking nukes? Wasn’t he a co-sponsor on dozens of pieces of legislation also co-sponsored by Sen. Clinton? In fact, hasn’t Sen Clinton praised his service and said she’s “honored” to serve with him?

  • CK

    If experience as VEEP is that important, Gore would have won in a landslide. Nixon would never have had watergate, Happy Warrior Humphrey would have had two terms.
    If success in wartime is important then Kerry would be running for his second term.
    If exposure to the white house bedroom is significant, then Eleanor Rooseveldt would have been a fanstastic candidate since she had 3+ terms of experience.
    Sleeping beside the president or serving as a VEEP is not experience for the presidency.
    Being a governour is not experience in foreign affairs or national affairs, yet we keep electing governours to the presidency and watching them fail.
    The presidency is OJT. It helps if the person holding the job can learn things quickly and does not have a hair trigger instead of a brain.
    Both parties this time around summarily dismissed from consideration the candidates with the most experience in day to day budgeting and managing the country. Luckily both candidates will be returning to congress.

  • rjj

    shit. glitch. wrong message.

    Bulous, the term was experience. As for FP Bubba was not a slow learner. Incurious George didn’t need to know anything.

  • Simon

    It’s not a matter of breeding or background.

    It is to that crowd, but it’s also indicative of small power, the only power insular Washington has left (ie Sally Quinn. In the old days they referred to it as “woman’s power,” women left out of the traditional structures, but snobbery has always been used as leverage, even by men.)

    Secondly, if it matters to the ostracized, it is indeed a very potent weapon.

  • Mike Howell

    Ned Bulous –

    The Ethics Bill was such a puff piece that it passed unanimously. And he barnacled on to Luger’s former Luger – Nunn Bill.

    What a jerk! He’s the Master of teh Obvious and a very unnecessary tool.

    The Charlatan from Chicago’s plans only include cold hard cash for HIM!

  • CK

    Do you remember Bill Clinton’s first two nominees for Attorney General? Within 6 weeks of hitting DC, the inside the beltway types already knew what he was. The clinton’s snubbed the teatime crowd and the ladies who lunch. Their flabhanded handling of the nuances of the permanent society and their ham handed handling of their initial presidential moves doomed them. 2 years later Gingrich and his crowd wiped the dems out of congress and that was that. Clinton got the republican nafta through and got his polite little war with Serbia. Game set and Monica for the match. Hey watch me blow up an aspirin factory. Watch me send tomahawks into empty campsites.
    And I am more than willing to let Hillary take credit for everything the Clinton administration did. Maybe we should ask her about that anti-trust action against MSFT? That was a real winner. And the Dotcom bust that Greenspan aided and abetted the Clintons with. Nafta was/is a union busting act. One of the Clinton’s only legislative successes is Nafta.

  • Mike Howell

    Bill Clinton Was a Governor Who:

    1. Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar and studied at Oxford – in Europe. The place your hero can’t be bothered with convening even one Senate subcommittee meeting about.

    2. Bill Clinton never helped turn an election into a bloody mess in Kenya.

    3. Bill Clinton didn’t make an insane statement about nuking Pakistan.

    4. Bill Clinton didn’t get tangled up with indicted Syrian nationals and possibly even convicted Iraqi billionaires.

  • CK

    Hillary is 61. If she doesn’t win it this time, and a dem wins the presidency she has two choices. Run against a sitting dem president in 4 years when she is 65 or wait till 2016 when she will be the same age as Reagan when he won.
    She has a senate election coming up in 2012.
    She has not yet faced a tough opponent in her two senate races. 9u1ann1 dropped out, Piro dropped out. Maybe the rethugs can find bigger stiffs than Lazio and Spencer to run against her next time.
    The boomer generation is being pushed off the stage. The boomer sense of entitlement is running badly against the younger generations.
    Boomers are yesterday’s news, yesterday’s people, yesterday’s ideas. The boomers have had their 16 years of presidents and neither of those presidents is much to be proud of. Time to move on. The greatest generation moved on with some semblance of grace and decorum, their offspring … not so much.

  • Mike Howell

    Obama is Bush 3 right down to his stamp of approval for torture.

  • Mike Howell

    Alan Keyes in Maryland was pretty tough to beat in Illinois…

    And not one, but two people destroyed after their divorce records are unsealed…

    Finally, technical errors in the filing papers of others leaves the King of Daley Machine Corruption as the last creep standing.

    What a treasured history the Charlatan from Chicago has.

  • CK

    If the phone rings at 3 am, the night shift operator takes the call.
    Then if it is worth the president’s attention, the night shift operator calls the JCS, the NatSecAdvisor, and whoever else will need to be in the meeting with the president. The president may sleep but the nation runs 24/7. The war room is staffed, there are people on duty with specified jobs and there are standing operating procedures inplace. They will be in place after the next pres takes office, they will even have the same people doing the jobs. The permanent bureaucracy, the assigned military advisors.
    Sitting outside the regal bedroom is the coronel with the football. If the crap hits the fan, the response time is measured in seconds no matter who is president.
    If it’s Vlad on the phone at 3 am EST, whoever is president will take the call after the translators have picked up and the NatSec types have lifted their receivers.
    Sleep well little bedwetters, the advert is about as foolish as one could hope for.

  • Ned Bulous

    Umm. . . it was CLinton who argues for “exceptions for torture” and NOT Obama.

  • Ned Bulous

    And Clinton voted for IWR, Kyl-Lieberman, voted against banning cluster bombs, introduced an anti-flag-burning law, is using fear-mongering, smear tactics, etc, etc.

    Even Bush has implied that he would rather have Clinton be the next President than Obama.

    Not to mention that ANN COULTER has endorsed her!

  • Mike Howell

    Obama did not come back to vote against torture. Clinton did.

  • Ned Bulous

    Exactly right. I think Clinton said it best when he said:

    Now, one of Clinton’s laws of politics is this. If one candidate is trying to scare you and the other one is try get you to think, if one candidate is appealing to your fears and the other one is appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope.

    So, clearly Clinton’s law would dictate that we vote for Obama!

  • http://www.despair.com/ambition.html Smilin’ Jim

    William Jefferson Clinton was awarded the Bachelor of Science in Foreign Service from the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University in Washington D.C in 1968. While there he was elected to Phi Beta Kappa. He went on to study Government at University College, Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. Thereafter he was admitted to Yale Law School and was awarded the degree of Juris Doctor in 1973.

    George Walker Bush was awarded a Bachelor’s of Arts Degree with a major in history in 1968. He was rejected entrance into the University of Texas School of Law in 1970. He was awarded the MBA by Harvard University in 1975.

    This isn’t fucking rocket science, people.

  • Cee

    Hillary doesn’t care about sexism.

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/
    FIRST READ
    TO FULL STORY:
    http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/29/718285.aspx
    Friday, February 29, 2008, 3:50 PM PST/ 6:50 PM EST
    NBC NEWS DEEP BACKGROUND BLOG
    Sen. Clinton accepts donations from troubled firm
    By LISA MYERS and JIM POPKIN, NBC NEWS
    Sen. Hillary Clinton has declined to return $170,000 in campaign contributions from individuals at a company accused of widespread sexual harassment, and whose CEO is a disbarred lawyer with a criminal record, federal campaign records show.

    The federal government has accused the Illinois management consulting firm, International Profit Associates, or IPA, of a brazen pattern of sexual harassment including “sexual assaults,” “degrading anti-female language” and “obscene suggestions.”

    “This is by far, hands down, the worst case I’ve ever experienced,” said Diane Smason, one of the EEOC lawyers handling the lawsuit. “Every woman there experienced sex harassment, they were part of a hostile work environment of sex harassment. And this occurred from the top down.”

    Sen. Clinton’s spokesman, Howard Wolfson, told NBC News in a statement that the senator decided to keep the funds because the lawsuit is “ongoing” and because none of the sexual harassment allegations has been proven in court.

    Allegations:
    Adrienne Slick, who worked at IPA for seven months in 2000 and 2001 as a business coordinator and is now part of the EEOC suit, told NBC News in an interview that the sexual harassment was oppressive. “I had multiple managers come at me, press themselves up against me … ask me to go home with them, and to a hotel room so they could fulfill their fantasies,” she said.

  • CK

    Ah the goddess of luck shines her favours on whom she will. I don’t think Obama had much say about who the rethugs imported to run against him. Jack Ryan did get a bit of a surprise but Jeri is still working and is free of the old republican perv.
    Stupid rethugs even imported Keyes into the presidential for all the good that did them.
    It is an old political adage that if your opponent is having a train wreck it is not your job to bail them out.
    The goddess shone her light for a while on Carpetbagger Hillary, First she would have faced ol Rudi but his semen producer acted up and she got to face the only rethug stupider than John McCain in Rick Lazio, second time around she gets to run against a Piro until Piro’s mob connections come out and the rethugs have to scramble to find a small town mayor to run against her.
    Charlatan or Carpetbagger. Flip the quarter and then spend several months yelling “get the quarterback—get the quarterback.”

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Ouch. You are mean!

  • Mike Howell

    Why does Obama want to burn the flag? Men and women have died for our country and that flag means something to them even if he isn’t proud of it.

    Obama blames Clinton for pictures of him on trips that the taxpayers footed the bill for that he chose to play dress up during and be photographed by his people.

    Obama doesn’t want you to use his middle name, but never bothered to change it even as a Harvard lawyer with a lawyer wife.

    Clinton understands the military. Words alone don’t keep us safe. Stupid words from Obama’s mouth about nuking Pakistan are DANGEROUS!

  • CK

    All laws are made to be ignored when they come back to bite the lawgiver in the butt.
    But in a nostalgic way, it is good to see senator Clinton using the same type of ad that was used so successfully against her first political love.
    I remember watching the “little girl child plucking a daisy under the atomic bomb blast” ad that the dems used against Barry Goldwater, seeing it come back updated a wee bit to be used by a dem against another dem is ironic.

  • Ned Bulous

    And Obama has shown superior judgement during his tenure in office. Not only on Iraq, but Kyl-Lieberman, he also advocated strikes on actionable Al-Qaeda sites in Pakistan (and was mocked for it by Hillary and Bush)- but evidently the Bush administration came around, since they did EXACTLY THAT and took out one of the Al Qaeda leaders in the process (first Abu Laith al-Libi, and now another safehouse was his in February!)

    Obama has picked up endorsements from well over 100 foreign policy experts. They include:

    Clifford Alexander, former Secretary of the Army

    Ambassador Jeffrey Bader, Former Assistant US Trade Representative for Asia; Ambassador to Namibia

    Professor Henri Barkey, Lehigh University, former member, State Dept. Policy Planning

    Mr. Tom Bernstein, Human Rights Expert

    Ambassador David Birenbaum, former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. for Management and Reform

    Dr. Esther Brimmer, former staff member State Department Policy Planning

    Mr. Art Brown, former National Intelligence Officer for East Asia and Chief of CIA’s East Asian Operations Division

    Dr. Mark Brzezinski, former Director, European Affairs, National Security Council

    Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Adviser under President Carter

    [SNIPPED BY ADMINISTRATOR: CITE EXAMPLES AND THEN PROVDE A LINK. NO ONE WANTS TO SCROLL THROUGH AN ENDLESSLY LONG COMMENT.]

    There are MANY MORE who have recently endorsed him for his SUPERIOR judgement, intelligence, and ability to bring people together to get things done. He will be a great President!

  • Ned Bulous

    >>3. Bill Clinton didn’t make an insane statement about nuking Pakistan.

    This points out the absurdity of your entire post. Obama did not make a statement about “nuking Pakistan”. . . Here is his quote:

    “I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges,” Obama said. “But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. … If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will.”

    This is EXACTLY what Bush has started doing (after mocking Obama for the statement) and these attacks have killed at least a dozen high-ranking Al Qaeda members! And we’ve been doing it WITHOUT Musharraf’s approval- exactly as Obama said we should!

    So, I take it that you are AGAINST these strikes on Al Qaeda?

  • Mike Howell

    Cee –

    So now it’s guilty until proven innocent for Hillary Clinton, but nothing but excuses as usual about Barack Obama and “his cesspool of allies”!

    What if Ms. Slick acted like a camp follower ala Maureen Dowdy? No case then.

  • CK

    Not a neocon in that lot that I can find. Not even a PNAC signer. Not even anyone still associated with FDD.
    That cuts it; Obama cannot be president he is not supported by the neocons. ( most of whom are already working for either Clinton or McCain )

  • Mike Howell

    Bulbous Nebbish –

    So you’re claiming that either you speak for Barack Obama now and deem to know what he really intended – even though the question seems to be missing…

    and/or Or Barack Obama is really George Bush 3.

  • Mike Howell

    Your list is immediately suspect as I noticed at least one Judge on there and it’s against the Judicial Canons of Ethics to endorse a candidate for office as a Judge.

    Daschle’s name is the only other stand out and as a foreign policy expert – well whatever.

  • Ned Bulous

    Are you not able to read? The quote is pretty clear. . . In fact, he stated during the last debate that this is EXACTLY what he intended! Here are some of the quotes:

    So on Pakistan, during the summer I suggested that not only do we have to take a new approach towards Musharraf but we have to get much more serious about hunting down terrorists that are currently in northwestern Pakistan.

    And many people said at the time well, you can’t target those terrorists because Musharraf is our ally and we don’t want to offend him. In fact, what we had was neither stability in Pakistan nor democracy in Pakistan, and had we pursued a policy that was looking at democratic reforms in Pakistan we would be much further along now than we are.

    and. . .

    With respect to Pakistan, I never said I would bomb Pakistan. What I said was that if we have actionable intelligence against bin Laden or other key al Qaeda officials, and we — and Pakistan is unwilling or unable to strike against them, we should. And just several days ago, in fact, this administration did exactly that and took out the third-ranking al Qaeda official.

    That is the position that we should have taken in the first place. And President Musharraf is now indicating that he would generally be more cooperative in some of these efforts, we don’t know how the new legislature in Pakistan will respond, but the fact is it was the right strategy.

    Show me a direct quote where Obama suggested that we “nuke Pakistan”. I think the burden of evidence rests on the person who makes such an erroneous suggestion.

    Obama’s statements are pretty clear. . . Please provide the quote that YOU are referring to. . .

  • Ned Bulous

    There you go again!

    A Constitutional professor, Obama KNOWS that the First Amendment protects free speech. . . evidently this is lost on Sen. Clinton.

    Or she is just pandering (as she’s prone to doing). . .

    Doesn’t she play ‘dress up’ as well? I can find some photos of her in traditional gowns when she’s visited foreign nations. . . but Obama is too classy to use it as a smear on her.

    I don’t think anyone except for the wingnuts and Hillary supporters CARE what his middle name is!

    And, when are you going to provide that quote from Obama about ‘nuking Pakistan’???

  • TeakWoodKite

    Heads or tales, it is the same quarter.
    Hope it goes to OT.

    CK: Can’t find that link you posted…re asian fleet.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Which telcom ceo is in legal purgatory?
    Who sits on the boards of the “6 media corporations” boards?

    I think you have your questions are on the correct heading rjj.

  • http://papertigertail.blogspot.com otherlisa

    Lotsa stuff I wish I had time to respond to but first let me say. Susan, this is a particularly strong piece from you. It sums up so much about the media bias and sexism of this campaign. Thank you for this.

    On two of the charges above:

    Cluster bombs – as I understand it, this is one of those votes that largely came down to what else the bill was attached to, on a bill that had gone several rounds and through several votes. I saved a diary about it that laid out the whole story very clearly. I’ll sum by saying that neither Clinton or Obama exactly covered themselves with glory on this one, but that saying Clinton supports cluster bombs is simply not the case.

    Kyl-Lieberman – again, others have laid this out far better than I can, but essentially, Clinton and Jim Webb worked on a bill that would ban any invasion of Iran by President Bush, making Kyl-Lieberman exactly what it purports to be – labeling the Imperial Guard as a terrorist organization, enabling other punitive measures (banking, etc.) to be taken against them while taking the option of military force off the table.

  • Taters

    Spot on CK, good catch.

  • CK

    http://www.exile.ru/articles/list.php?IBLOCK_ID=35&SECTION_ID=156
    is the only link I posted re military.
    I don’t think Mr. Brecker has done a specific article on that chinese sub incident. The link is to 131 of his articles on wars and military matters. ( Prolific he is)
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=492804&in_page_id=1811
    for a perfidious albionese article on the sub.

  • Mike Howell

    Bulbous Nebbish –

    She looks lovely in the gowns and he just looks like a wimp, which is the real reason he’s whining.

    If he didn’t want photos out there, he shouldn’t have done a taxpayer funded photoshoot.

    Amazingly, Obama is a Con Law professor who never wrote anything.

    Was he too busy running for a higher office or cashing-in on one? Maybe his handlers can write something up for him…

    Whenever he or his ungrateful hatefilled wife go off script the crap that comes out of their mouths isn’t good for America.

  • Taters

    What was Obama’s vote on Kyl Lieberman, again?

  • CK

    There are a few “minor” problems with labelling someone else’s armed forces as terrorist organizations. By the Kyl-Liberman definition, the CIA, Delta force, and some other american groups fit the exact letter of the definition in Kyl Lieberman.
    http://www.democracynow.org/2005/5/9/terrorist_cuban_exile_luis_posada_carriles
    Good old Luis Posada a CIA asset terrorist.

  • Ned Bulous

    On cluster bombs- Clinton was in fact pandering to the Israeli base. Israel had just come under fierce (and well-deserved) criticism for using cluster bombs in Gaza which had killed many civilians. After hugging Mrs. Afafat, Clinton could ill-afford to look like she was also denouncing Israel. Her vote against bombing cluster bombs was against this backdrop.

    As far as Kyl-Lieberman, again she demonstrated political cowardice. Just as with the IWR, Ms. Clinton decided that she could not politically vote against it and have her vote used against her if, in fact, the Iraq War went as well as the Bush administration was claiming it would. It was a political calculation, just as was introducing an unconstitutional anti-flag-burning law.

    Now, in her defense- she WAS planning to run for President. In our sexist culture, there is a fear that women in positions of power may be reluctant to use military force, even when needed. Ms. Clinton has been attempting to demonstrate that she is as ‘tough’ as men in this regard and has, unfortunately, often gone overboard in order to prove it.

    Still, her political calculations have shown the poll-driven, Mark Penn approach which is one of political opportunism and lacks the political courage we need from a leader.

  • Mike Howell

    Bulbous Nebbish -

    So all of this stuff is what Barack Obama used to try to dig himself out of a hole! After the fact!

    Presidents don’t always get a whole bunch of weeks to explain what they really should have said or intended.

    3 A.M. phone call indeed!

  • Taters

    Robert Kagan loves him some Obama, not only a signatory of Open Letter to Pres. Clinton, he’s a co founder of PNAC.

    America must “lead the world in battling immediate evils and promoting the ultimate good.” With those words, Barack Obama put an end to the idea that the alleged overexuberant idealism and America-centric hubris of the past six years is about to give way to a new realism, a more limited and modest view of American interests, capabilities and responsibilities.

    Obama’s speech at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs last week was pure John Kennedy, without a trace of John Mearsheimer.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/27/AR2007042702027.html

    Obama also lauded GWB’s choice of Rumsfeld as SecDef, stating Rummy was mainstream and yes, Rumsfeld was another signatory of PNAC’s letter.

  • Taters

    Well said, OtherLisa.

  • CK

    I think Obama should immediately disavow and repudiate any endorsement from any Kagan. It is funny how those Kagan boys and their PNAC friends must always get a bit of a dig in on Mearsheimer and Walt.
    Telling some truths in the USA can make you a non-person faster than stink on shit. Just ask Jimmy Carter or Ghandi’s grandson.
    Rummy was mainstream during the 80′s unfortunately the USA had to put up with him during the oughts.
    It is very clear that Obama is not exactly a bomb throwing anarchist, more’s the shame. I doubt he will use the powers the president already has to apply extraordinary rendition to any of the Bushes or Cheney or Paulson or the other enablers of America’s destruction.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    And Gen. Taguba, who was excoriated by Donald Rumsfeld for telling the truth about Abu Ghraib, endorsed — who? — Hillary Clinton?

    And why? Because of her clear stand against torture.

    Just type Taguba in the search engine here.

  • Andy

    And what did macho Obama vote? I guess his wimpy side prevailed and decided to …oooopsss not vote at all!! What a principled man….
    I wonder if as President, he can choose not to decide as well… That would be some type of leadership wouldn’t it?

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    She is 60. Born in October 1947.

  • Ned Bulous

    He was on record OPPOSING Kyl-Lieberman, but was not present to vote against it. He was told that there would be no vote, so he left for a campaign event in NH. Here is the Senate Record as evidence of what Sen. Obama was told:

    “Mr. REID. Mr. Chairman, there will be no more votes tonight. We have tried to work something out on the Kyl-Lieberman amendment and the Biden amendment. We have been unable to do that.

    We have been very close a few times, but we have just been informed that Senator Biden will not have a vote anytime in the near future. There will not be a vote on the other one anytime in the near future. We hope tonight will bring more clearness on the issue.”

    Although Sen. Obama opposed it, it passed overwhelmingly with the support of Sen. Clinton and others. Sen Reid decided it was no use delaying the vote and ultimately decided to bring it to the floor, despite what he had previously said. Obama’s opposition is ON THE SENATE RECORD, but his vote would not have made a differnce in stopping the passage of the bill.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    HILLARY HAS HER own long list of over 100 foreign policy experts. It’s on her site.

  • Andy

    Simon, email this link directly to Susan or Larry

  • http://papertigertail.blogspot.com otherlisa

    Here’s the problem: Senator Obama says a lot of things, but it’s nearly impossible from his very thin record to determine what he actually means.

    Everyone understands a missed vote now and again, especially in the middle of a Presidential campaign, but this is a pattern of his.

    The fact that he has not convened ONE meeting of the Senate Subcommittee on Europe that he chairs because he’s been “too busy” running for President speaks volumes.

    He has not taken the time to actually learn the job he was elected to do. You bet this concerns me.

  • CK

    Elections are held in November. She will be 61. But you are correct, at this exact moment she has not yet reached the mature age of 61. By October she should be well out of the race and Bill can throw her a really fine birthday party. She is no matter what month her birthday falls a BOOMER. A member of the last generation that can honestly expect to do and live better than their parents. The apogee of humanity, the priviledged Boomer.
    Now where do you Stand on Reverend Hagee and his anti catholicism, his anti semitism, his anti arabicism? Or is that too divisive a question for this forum? Maybe you can find a photoshopped image of Obama hugging Farrakhan?

  • TeakWoodKite

    CK Thanks.

  • Ned Bulous

    See below. He is on record OPPOSING Kyl-Lieberman, but was told by Reid that the vote would not occur. He left for a previously scheduled campaign event before Sen Reid changed his mind and held the vote anyway. His vote would not have made a difference.

    Sen. Clinton evidently believed in the bill so strongly that she got there for the re-scheduled vote.

  • Ned Bulous

    Wow! Quite the conspiracy for the Senate Record to be changed to reflect better for Sen Obama! Where is the evidence that this occurred?

  • Ned Bulous

    Huh?

    Nobody has provided a quote that Obama would “nuke Pakistan”! I’ve quoted him EXACTLY before and AFTER the military strikes. . .

    Why would he have to dig himself out of a “hole” which never existed?

    Or maybe you disagree that we should unilaterally be able to conduct military strikes on known Al Qaeda positions in Northern Pakistan?

  • Andy

    Ahem….He was told of the vote taking place ahead of time and he *decided* not to come back from NH
    (short flight BTW) What he “said” is irrelevant if he decided it was not important enough to have it on the *Congressional record*. H. Clinton was there but for Obama , as usual climbing the political ladder was more important than *doing his job*. So he decided to keep on campaigning.

    That’s the problem with him: he did not and does not do his job. So what is the relevance of what he says?? “THE PROOF IS ON THE PUDDING !!!!”

  • Ned Bulous

    Again, here’s what you said:

    “3. Bill Clinton didn’t make an insane statement about nuking Pakistan. ”

    WHO made such a statement? Please show me when Obama made such a statement.

    You can’t just pull things out of your ass and take them as evidence that Obama dug himself a “hole”. . . that is your own, ummm. . . hole!

  • Andy

    What record? The media record? What counts is the Congresssional record !! *That* was HIS JOB.
    Not to the cameras but in Congress.

  • Mike Howell

    Bulbous Nebbish –

    I’m sure that we can count on Mr. Flag Burner Obama to be real tough on terrorism.

    What’s his latest opinion on that anyway?

    I was writing a comment and I may have missed another of his sea changes.

    Which handler has his opinion today?

    Or should I just see what Clinton and Edwards have posted and wait for him to steal their positions?

  • Ned Bulous

    >>Ouch. You are mean!

    Not only mean, but also a liar!

  • Andy

    OtherLisa, Webb was against this particular bill.

  • Ned Bulous

    >>I’m sure that we can count on Mr. Flag Burner Obama to be real tough on terrorism.

    Hey, even Scalia has said that “Anti-Flag Burning” laws are unconstitional! I guess HE’S a ‘flag-burner’, as well?

    Or maybe you think we need another President who doesn’t understand or respect the Constitution?

  • Ned Bulous

    Hey, would it have made a difference if he had voted? Was his the deciding vote? Has Hillary ever missed a vote during this campaign?

    Let’s look who REALLY is the ‘power-hungry’ one here. . . she has ZERO chance of catching up in pledged delegates and is engaging in Rovian-style “slash and burn” politics. It sure is beginning to look like she will say or do anything in order to win, including changing the rules of the game or using Superdelegates to overturn the will of the people. But Howard Dean (who she despises) will NEVER allow that to happen.

    Did Hillary just “carpetbag” as a Senator for NY in order to run for President? If being First Lady counts as foreign policy experience, can we expect Laura Bush to run for President, as well?

    Face it, there is NO WAY she can win the nomination legitimately if she doesn’t pull off HUGE WINS in OH, TX, and PA (70% or MORE!) and also win a substantial number of smaller states. If she doesn’t pull out Tuesday (after she loses TX and, possibly, OH), her egomaniacal power-hunger will have triumphed over good sense. The ONLY ONE to benefit from dragging this out is Mark Penn- his firm represents BOTH McCain and Clinton. . . the only way HE loses is if Obama wins the Presidency.

  • Mike Howell

    Bulbous Nebbish –

    You can defend Barack Obama’s wildy irresponsible statement and pretend like him to mean something that wasn’t made clear until weeks later.

    But I think this country deserves better. I want my country that I take pride in and am proud of to have the most capable readily understandable President.

    I don’t want Barack Obama as President because he can be and is often and easily “misinterpreted”. It is a very dangerous practice in a leader dealing in foreign affairs.

  • Ned Bulous

    From Reuters:

    Clinton leads Obama in missed Senate votes

    WASHINGTON – Hillary Clinton may be falling behind rival Barack Obama in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, but she has the lead in missed votes in the U.S. Senate so far this year.

    After reviewing Republican presidential hopeful John McCain’s voting record on Tuesday, we examined how the Democrats were handling their day job as well.

    Clinton missed 18 of 21 votes while Obama missed 10 of 21 roll calls so far this year, though they spent much of Tuesday casting votes related to a bill that ultimately passed, empowering U.S. intelligence agencies to conduct domestic surveillance on terrorism suspects without court orders.

    The two skipped the final passage vote for that measure as they headed back out on the campaign trail but McCain, who has a commanding lead for his party’s nomination, stuck around for it.

    McCain matched Obama’s tally for 2008, missing 10 out of 21 votes. In December, Obama and Clinton each missed 27 of 30 votes.

    What is HER job again????

  • Ned Bulous

    See above- Clinton LEADS both Obama and McCain in the number of missed votes this year!

    So, does THAT also concern you?

  • Ned Bulous

    Until you back up YOUR WORDS with actual quotes, I refuse to debate someone who intentionally LIES, DISTORTS, and PUTS WORDS IN their opponent’s mouth. . .

  • ChrisXP

    McCain has his own baggage. Too much to list, but to make is short and sweet: McCain is to conservatism, as Joe Lieberman is to liberalism.

    Dems revolted against Lieberman, this is the conservative version of it. But unlike what the Dems are facing, McCain will be the figurehead of the GOP.

    Imagine if Lieberman was the same.

    The revolt is v-e-r-y real and d-e-e-p. A self-respecting conservative can’t vote for McCain. It’s like a liberal voting for Hitler.

  • Simon

    Oh, poor unsophisticated Neb, trying so hard to be relevant.

    Bitch when you have to leave the house of Rove, and you’re not given a handicap, isn’t it, shithead?

    Your boy answers to the Saudis.

    Go try to troll them.

    Oh, I forgot, you’re afraid of the Saudis, you only feel secure beating up dumb democrats like pelosi, or reid.

  • Ned Bulous

    She’s the only one ‘whining’! She’s even CRYING for CRISSAKES!!! Do YOU want a President who CRIES about losing IA???

    Distributing the photo was an intended smear in order to make Obama look Muslim. Context is important here, it would be like Obama distributing a photo of HER at a lesbian rally in order to make her look like a lesbian.

    It doesn’t matter though- he’s above this sort of Rovian political trick. He has demonstrated dignity, grace, and class. . . while she has been raving and whining and crying and just plan looking desperate to win at any cost!

  • AF

    No, McCain projects the image of stability.

    So true. Obama’s Hope message is resonating because of the powerlessness of the Bush years. But the one-trick “Hope” sermon yields diminishing returns.

    That noquarter.net commenter from China a while back said it best: change can go either way, change is not always good. By November voters will conclude they want just enough change to re-stabilize the country after the volatility of the Bush years. No revolutionary change. Not now. If McCain runs as a Teddy Roosevelt type, he can get a lot of votes.

  • ChrisXP

    What’s free speech in burning the flag? That’s spitting on the very image of freedom, not just what they feel is wrong.

    If you want to register your displeasure do as the Right militias do it — hang the flag upside down (it’s a sign of distress). It does no harm to the flag, but equally shows displeasure.

    No need to burn the SYMBOL OF FREEDOM.

  • Mike Howell

    ”I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,” Obama said, with a pause, ”involving civilians.” Then he quickly added, ”Let me scratch that. There’s been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That’s not on the table.”

  • ChrisXP

    Laws change, my dear conformist, when new evidence emerges.

    Political scientist you’re not! hehehe

  • Mike Howell

    Here’s the original question, from the campaign’s transcript: “In Afghanistan or Pakistan, is there any circumstance where you would be prepared or willing to use nuclear weapons to defeat terrorism and Osama bin Laden?”

    By DENNIS CONRAD Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday he would not use nuclear weapons ”in any circumstance.”

    ”I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,” Obama said, with a pause, ”involving civilians.” Then he quickly added, ”Let me scratch that. There’s been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That’s not on the table.”

    The Illinois senator warned Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf earlier this week that he would use U.S. military force in Pakistan even without Musharraf’s permission if necessary to root out terrorists.

    However, when asked by The Associated Press after a Capitol Hill breakfast with constituents whether there was any circumstance where he would be prepared or willing to use nuclear weapons to defeat terrorism and al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, Obama replied:

    ”There’s been no discussion of using nuclear weapons and that’s not a hypothetical that I’m going to discuss.”

    When asked whether his answer also applied to the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons, he said it did.

  • ChrisXP

    On the fence? HAHAHA!

    You not only crossed over it long ago, you’re ready to DIVE off the cliff in your zealotry to defend O-Bomba.

    Don’t worry about your parachute opening, O-Bomba will send a few bombs over the cliff to dispatch his followers even more swiftly. Consider it a “mercy killing” a la Saddam Hussein style!

    Jokes aside, it’s no joke electing a tyrant to office.

  • Ned Bulous

    Doesn’t sound like a threat to “nuke Pakistan”, does it?

  • ChrisXP

    He wasn’t a Dem. Flaming liberals eat their own, they don’t cannibalize their enemies.

  • Ned Bulous

    In fact, Sen. Clinton has indicated that she AGREES with Sen. Obama’s statements on Pakistan! She also seems MUCH MORE LIKELY to use NUKES-

    “Presidents should be very careful at all times in discussing the use or nonuse of nuclear weapons,” Clinton said. “Presidents since the Cold War have used nuclear deterrence to keep the peace. And I don’t believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or nonuse of nuclear weapons.”

    While Obama has worked extensively on nuclear non-proliferation, including with Sen. Luger- Clinton doesn’t seem concerned with nuclear proliferation.

    Could it be because of her husband’s business dealings in aiding the purchase by shady characters of Uranium mines in Kazakhstan? Of course, the Clintons received $131 million for their assistance and undermined much of what Sen. Clinton has publicly said about the horrendous human rights’ record of Kazakhstan!

  • CK

    So go buy asbestos flags.
    Or start a company making them and sell them to “patriots”.
    No flag is an image of freedom. Ask the Hawaians about that 50th star of freedom.
    It might be an image of some nation state.
    But then no nation state is an image of freedom anymore.
    Traitors wear lapel pins, Freedom haters fly the flag, Criminals pledge allegiance and put their hand over their wallet or their stomach.
    Don’t fly it, don’t wear it, don’t sell you children on it, don’t salute it or do, nobody really cares that much. Learn Mandarin it will be more useful.

  • Mike Howell

    Bulbous Nebbish –

    The Illinois senator warned Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf earlier in the same week that he would use U.S. military force in Pakistan even without Musharraf’s permission if necessary to root out terrorists.

    Here’s the original question, from the campaign’s transcript: “In Afghanistan or Pakistan, is there any circumstance where you would be prepared or willing to use nuclear weapons to defeat terrorism and Osama bin Laden?”

    ”I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,” Obama said, with a pause, ”involving civilians.” Then he quickly added, ”Let me scratch that. There’s been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That’s not on the table.”

    Nobody forced Barack Obama to mention nuclear weapons and using them to fight terrorists in Pakistan.

    Barack Obama’s dangerous words strike – again!

    Please help America and volunteer/donate/vote –
    for Hillary Clinton!

  • ChrisXP

    ——————————————————————————————
    Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Adviser under President Carter
    ——————————————————————————————

    God, it’s 1980 all over again!!!!!

    I give these kids a clue: Iran. Hostages. Failed attempts to free them — including the hastily organized rescue that caused a mid-air collision that killed MUCH more!!

    Guess who helped organize it?????

    McCain is going to DESTROY O-Bomba. D-E-S-T-R-O-Y him, and bring down the Democrat party in one single blow if he brings up THAT part of history, again.

    DUMB, DUMB, DUMB!!!!

  • CK

    Laws are not changed by evidence, they are changed by legislatures or people with weapons. Enough weapons and all manmade laws evaporate. It is why the USA has a second amendment. That is the one that is supposed to protect all the others. I bet you call it gun control instead of victim disarming. Which by the by is the main reason I cannot support Obama. Too many votes in favour of disarming victims and citizens.
    Or maybe you have ignored how our current administration ignores the laws its finds inconvenient?

  • ChrisXP

    I take it you’re not any type of scientist in any shape or size.

    …sigh…the dumbing down of America…

  • Ned Bulous

    If you’re AGAINST striking Al Qaeda in Pakistan, how does THAT ‘help America’?

    I understand that Sen. Clinton wants to leave open the possibility of war with Iran, but shouldn’t we first capture or kill those who attacked us on 9-11?

    Why should we trust a military dictator who’s ignored Al Qaeda in Northern Pakistan and not strike ourselves if we have “Actionable intelligence”, as Pres. Obama would do?

  • Mike Howell

    Bulbous Nebbish –

    So no mea culpa about Barack Obama’s dangerous mouth?

    Just some sage advice from Hillary Clinton. Gee thanks!

    Barack Obama tacked his name on Luger’s Bill formerly known as Luger – Nunn. Much as he was handed the only bills he passed in the IL legislature.

    Your pathetic attempt to belittle Bill Clinton’s amazing humanitarian efforts in Kazakhastan whereby got the powers that be there to fork over the funds to do some great works for the people are what I’ve come to expect from Obama supporters.

    You are such a waste of time and energy!

    Bill Clinton doesn’t get the funds unlike the Charlatan from Chicago. It’s a charity. No Bill Clinton actually believes in helping others.

    It’s a concept unexplored by the get rich mansion King of the Corrupt Daley Machine.

  • Samantha

    Obama said he’d use nuclear weapons to get terrorists, not as some last resort.

    It took him days to even begin to understand how insane that sounded and God knows the looks he got when he said it again at the breakfast meeting!

    People must have been horror stricken!

  • Samantha

    Show me where she cried about losing IA!

    What a crock.

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