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		<title>By: Popular People &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Breaking the Silence : No Quarter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Popular People &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Breaking the Silence : No Quarter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A Woman in Charge: The Life of Hillary Rodham Clinton (A devout Hillary supporter, close to Susan, loved Bernstein&#8217;s mostly favorable and insightful book that recounts Hillary&#8217;s early work for women/children that media fail to mention. &#8230;Read More [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A Woman in Charge: The Life of Hillary Rodham Clinton (A devout Hillary supporter, close to Susan, loved Bernstein&#8217;s mostly favorable and insightful book that recounts Hillary&#8217;s early work for women/children that media fail to mention. &#8230;Read More [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Anselmi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16829/breaking-the-silence/#comment-1156380</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Anselmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much Pat for an Excellent post!

My fear is that as our worldwide economy gets worse, acts of violence and aggression against women, children and animals will increase.  As individuals increasingly feel the loss of power and control, some will seeking to regain it by turning against the weakest and most vulnerable.  

I think education alone is not enough about domestic and date violence.  Many of our youth lack a core confidence in their own worth, strength and abilities.  They have not been allowed to really challenge and test themselves.  Parents seem to have seen their job as protecting children from even the smallest of routine daily failures .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much Pat for an Excellent post!</p>
<p>My fear is that as our worldwide economy gets worse, acts of violence and aggression against women, children and animals will increase.  As individuals increasingly feel the loss of power and control, some will seeking to regain it by turning against the weakest and most vulnerable.  </p>
<p>I think education alone is not enough about domestic and date violence.  Many of our youth lack a core confidence in their own worth, strength and abilities.  They have not been allowed to really challenge and test themselves.  Parents seem to have seen their job as protecting children from even the smallest of routine daily failures .</p>
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		<title>By: Portia Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16829/breaking-the-silence/#comment-1156159</link>
		<dc:creator>Portia Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magic Puzzle Box -- were you by any chance in Denver? I volunteered for awhile at the Gateway Shelter for Battered Women and remember a woman who had been shot to death by her husband when she tried to go back to her house to gather some clothes. Her children were in the car and saw it all. Another woman at the time was put in the hospital twice by her abusive husband who had kidnapped her from her job, taken her up into the mountains, raped her, smashed her face and left her for dead.

The women who came to the shelter crossed all class, race, age and educational lines. One was wife to a Baptist minister. One was married to a deputy DA. One was married to a doctor, another to a scientist on faculty at the university. 

But one thing they all had in common: they believed it was their fault. We have to get the message out that NO ONE deserves to be beaten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magic Puzzle Box &#8212; were you by any chance in Denver? I volunteered for awhile at the Gateway Shelter for Battered Women and remember a woman who had been shot to death by her husband when she tried to go back to her house to gather some clothes. Her children were in the car and saw it all. Another woman at the time was put in the hospital twice by her abusive husband who had kidnapped her from her job, taken her up into the mountains, raped her, smashed her face and left her for dead.</p>
<p>The women who came to the shelter crossed all class, race, age and educational lines. One was wife to a Baptist minister. One was married to a deputy DA. One was married to a doctor, another to a scientist on faculty at the university. </p>
<p>But one thing they all had in common: they believed it was their fault. We have to get the message out that NO ONE deserves to be beaten.</p>
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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Violence in general is far too widespread and easily accepted by a lot of people.  i would be more surprised if violence against women *wasn&#039;t* a problem in most societies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Violence in general is far too widespread and easily accepted by a lot of people.  i would be more surprised if violence against women *wasn&#8217;t* a problem in most societies.</p>
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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course they would never ask that question because it&#039;s absurd in our society; men are the gatekeepers of women&#039;s sexuality, not the other way around.  however, violence against women is just one aspect of cultures which freely accept the use of violence in situations that are not cases of self-defense.

let&#039;s face it, americans, and most of the world, accept the use of violence in all kinds of non-self-defense situations, no matter how much they may deny it. from the day kids are born, they learn that the bigger person can and will beat them up if they don&#039;t do what they want.  some parents teach against the use of violence strongly, but others don&#039;t, and it permeates our society so much, how could kids NOT think it&#039;s acceptable?

i work with a lot of young (teenage) people, and the young males already know that the biggest male is &quot;The Man,&quot; and everyone else has better not defy him.  i think that (especially at that immature stage) they think that naturally females should be under their (male) authority, since they are smaller and could be beaten into submission.  sadly, young females often go along with this arrangement because of low self-respect and because they see quite correctly that &quot;that&#039;s just the way it is.&quot;  

most people grow out of this stage and develop a sense of right and wrong, but a lot of people don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course they would never ask that question because it&#8217;s absurd in our society; men are the gatekeepers of women&#8217;s sexuality, not the other way around.  however, violence against women is just one aspect of cultures which freely accept the use of violence in situations that are not cases of self-defense.</p>
<p>let&#8217;s face it, americans, and most of the world, accept the use of violence in all kinds of non-self-defense situations, no matter how much they may deny it. from the day kids are born, they learn that the bigger person can and will beat them up if they don&#8217;t do what they want.  some parents teach against the use of violence strongly, but others don&#8217;t, and it permeates our society so much, how could kids NOT think it&#8217;s acceptable?</p>
<p>i work with a lot of young (teenage) people, and the young males already know that the biggest male is &#8220;The Man,&#8221; and everyone else has better not defy him.  i think that (especially at that immature stage) they think that naturally females should be under their (male) authority, since they are smaller and could be beaten into submission.  sadly, young females often go along with this arrangement because of low self-respect and because they see quite correctly that &#8220;that&#8217;s just the way it is.&#8221;  </p>
<p>most people grow out of this stage and develop a sense of right and wrong, but a lot of people don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, thank you so much for this article.  We seem to be going backward, not forward to in the fair treatment of women.  We do need to break the silence and keep reminding our representatives about the misogyny existing in our own back yard.  Education is key.  Enforcement, too.  And if law enforcement and the legal system do not equally respect the rights of women, there is no hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, thank you so much for this article.  We seem to be going backward, not forward to in the fair treatment of women.  We do need to break the silence and keep reminding our representatives about the misogyny existing in our own back yard.  Education is key.  Enforcement, too.  And if law enforcement and the legal system do not equally respect the rights of women, there is no hope.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what were the numbers of those believing that women should slap, hit, punish &lt;em&gt;men&lt;/em&gt; for this kind of behavior.

It&#039;s like in the Civil Rights era when they were telling us that we should speak up and chastise anyone who told a racist or bigoted joke.  Until we quit phrasing questions about female behavior in the negative and start asking for judgment on the &lt;em&gt;behavior&lt;/em&gt; rather than the gender attitudes will not change.  What do you think the poll would say if women punished men for dressing in &quot;sexy or revealing clothes in public&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what were the numbers of those believing that women should slap, hit, punish <em>men</em> for this kind of behavior.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like in the Civil Rights era when they were telling us that we should speak up and chastise anyone who told a racist or bigoted joke.  Until we quit phrasing questions about female behavior in the negative and start asking for judgment on the <em>behavior</em> rather than the gender attitudes will not change.  What do you think the poll would say if women punished men for dressing in &#8220;sexy or revealing clothes in public&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Magic Puzzle Box</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/16829/breaking-the-silence/#comment-1156095</link>
		<dc:creator>Magic Puzzle Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UK?  Take a look at Germany, too, because I read in their English-language press that the encroachment of sharia is leading to even psychologists claiming clinical evidence that wife beating is good for the woman.

However, let me note from my own experience that this sort of violence doesn&#039;t have to me male-female.  It can be any family or partner you live with, and when I went through it, the shelter noted there was a spike in the parent-children dynamic rather than husband-wife.  But even today it&#039;s typical to blame the victim for the whole thing.  One of the most appalling stories I remember from the shelter was that one woman was shot point-blank in front of her children by her husband, and the police just laughed it off.  I knew one woman beaten so many times in the head that she lay around alot staring at the ceiling.  Progress hasn&#039;t been made nearly as far as even these reports would lead you to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UK?  Take a look at Germany, too, because I read in their English-language press that the encroachment of sharia is leading to even psychologists claiming clinical evidence that wife beating is good for the woman.</p>
<p>However, let me note from my own experience that this sort of violence doesn&#8217;t have to me male-female.  It can be any family or partner you live with, and when I went through it, the shelter noted there was a spike in the parent-children dynamic rather than husband-wife.  But even today it&#8217;s typical to blame the victim for the whole thing.  One of the most appalling stories I remember from the shelter was that one woman was shot point-blank in front of her children by her husband, and the police just laughed it off.  I knew one woman beaten so many times in the head that she lay around alot staring at the ceiling.  Progress hasn&#8217;t been made nearly as far as even these reports would lead you to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnnyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great recap, Pat, and thanks for your hard work at the Campaign for Geneder Equality.

I found this article quoting UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon:

Mr. Ban noted that “Death, injury, medical costs and lost employment are but the tip of an iceberg. The impact on women and girls, their families, their communities and their societies in terms of shattered lives and livelihoods is beyond calculation.”

To change the mindsets and socially ingrained habits of generations will not be easy and will take the collective force of individuals, organizations and governments, added the Secretary-General.

“We must work together to state loud and clear, at the highest level, that violence against women will not be tolerated, in any form, in any context, in any circumstance,” he said, adding that “We need a positive image of women in the media. We need laws that say violence is a crime, that hold perpetrators accountable and are enforced.”

Full story here:
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=30118&amp;Cr=women&amp;Cr1=secretary-general

Men must stop this violence against women. Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great recap, Pat, and thanks for your hard work at the Campaign for Geneder Equality.</p>
<p>I found this article quoting UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon:</p>
<p>Mr. Ban noted that “Death, injury, medical costs and lost employment are but the tip of an iceberg. The impact on women and girls, their families, their communities and their societies in terms of shattered lives and livelihoods is beyond calculation.”</p>
<p>To change the mindsets and socially ingrained habits of generations will not be easy and will take the collective force of individuals, organizations and governments, added the Secretary-General.</p>
<p>“We must work together to state loud and clear, at the highest level, that violence against women will not be tolerated, in any form, in any context, in any circumstance,” he said, adding that “We need a positive image of women in the media. We need laws that say violence is a crime, that hold perpetrators accountable and are enforced.”</p>
<p>Full story here:<br />
<a href="http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=30118&#038;Cr=women&#038;Cr1=secretary-general" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=30118&#038;Cr=women&#038;Cr1=secretary-general</a></p>
<p>Men must stop this violence against women. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: tricia spiegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>tricia spiegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Pat, for reminding us about what we don&#039;t like to think about.  Good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Pat, for reminding us about what we don&#8217;t like to think about.  Good post.</p>
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		<title>By: barry bums a ciggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>barry bums a ciggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheesh, I just read this article from The Times (I think it&#039;s British) and my jaw dropped!  

&lt;em&gt;Women Should Be Hit for Dressing Sexy in Public, 1 in 7 Believe

One in seven people believe it is acceptable in some circumstances for a man to hit his wife or girlfriend if she is dressed in “sexy or revealing clothes in public”, according to the findings of a survey released today.

A similar number believed that it was all right for a man to slap his wife or girlfriend if she is “nagging or constantly moaning at him”.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5875108.ece

The findings of the poll, conducted for the Home Office, also disclosed about a quarter of people believe that wearing sexy or revealing clothing should lead to a woman being held partly responsible for being raped or sexually assaulted.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh, I just read this article from The Times (I think it&#8217;s British) and my jaw dropped!  </p>
<p><em>Women Should Be Hit for Dressing Sexy in Public, 1 in 7 Believe</p>
<p>One in seven people believe it is acceptable in some circumstances for a man to hit his wife or girlfriend if she is dressed in “sexy or revealing clothes in public”, according to the findings of a survey released today.</p>
<p>A similar number believed that it was all right for a man to slap his wife or girlfriend if she is “nagging or constantly moaning at him”.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5875108.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5875108.ece</a></p>
<p>The findings of the poll, conducted for the Home Office, also disclosed about a quarter of people believe that wearing sexy or revealing clothing should lead to a woman being held partly responsible for being raped or sexually assaulted.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Hillary or Bust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillary or Bust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also need to look at the broader cultural context and how the images we put out often denigrate women. I just wrote piece one one of PETA&#039;s latest ads - nude cartoon women:

http://hillaryorbust.com/2009/03/id-rather-wear-clothes-than-support-peta/

The left has been particularly open to misogyny in recent years, all in the name of being &quot;sexy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also need to look at the broader cultural context and how the images we put out often denigrate women. I just wrote piece one one of PETA&#8217;s latest ads &#8211; nude cartoon women:</p>
<p><a href="http://hillaryorbust.com/2009/03/id-rather-wear-clothes-than-support-peta/" rel="nofollow">http://hillaryorbust.com/2009/03/id-rather-wear-clothes-than-support-peta/</a></p>
<p>The left has been particularly open to misogyny in recent years, all in the name of being &#8220;sexy.&#8221;</p>
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