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On FDR’s New Deal: The American People Sound Off

Breadline NY 1932

Breadline, NY, 1932

Almost daily headlines, numbers and analysis are being thrown at FDR’s New Deal. There’s Obama Gives Us the Same Old New Deal. And, How Government Prolonged the Depression. Or, Stimulus: Can it work like Roosevelt’s New Deal? And let’s not forget Roosevelt’s ‘New Deal’ Resurfaces in US Economic Stimulus Debate. But all of these discussions seem to overlook the real live American people that were impacted by FDR’s New Deal. And the very real ways these programs changed their lives. Ways that can not be presented and analyzed strictly by the numbers.

Eighty years ago, the daily life of the average citizen was very different then our lives are today. And yet many of the financial and economic challenges seem eerily familiar. Does that mean we are headed for a Great Depression? That we need another New Deal? I don’t know. I am not an economist and I don’t want to play one on this blog. But I would like to present some additional numbers and words for everyone to consider in this discussion.

Most historians mark the start of The Great Depression as, Black Tuesday, October 29,1929. Franklin D. Roosevelt was inaugurated March 4,1933. From 1929 to 1933, the unemployment rate went from 4% to 25%. In addition, in 1933, the underemployment (lower wages and hours) rate was 25%. Which meant, nearly 50% of U.S. households in 1933 were directly experiencing unemployment or underemployment.

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The Depression’s Impact on the Economy

  1929 1933
Banks in operation 25,568 14,771 
Prime interest rate 5.03% 0.63%
Privately earned income $45.5 B $23.9 B
Personal and corporate savings $15.3B $2.3B
Volume of stocks sold (NYSE) 1.1 B 0.65 B
Value of Shares (NYSE) $89.0 B $19.0 B

Historical Statistics of the United States, pp. 235, 263, 1001, and 1007.

h/t K. Wilkison.
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The Depression’s Impact on people: Consumer Spending

1929 1933
Food $19.5 B $11.5 B
Housing $11.5 B $7.5 B
Clothing $11.2 B $5.4 B
Automobiles $2.6 B $0.8 B
Medical Care $2.9 B $1.9 B
Philanthropy $1.2 B $0.8 B

Historical Statistics of the United States, pp. 319.

h/t K. Wilkison.
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So what did all this mean to the American people who lived these numbers everyday? What did average Americans think about the New Deal, The Great Depression, and FDR back when it really mattered whether the New Deal worked or not?

Well, thanks to a Work Projects Administration (WPA) New Deal program – the Federal Writers’ Project I was able to find the actual words and stories of American citizens during that time. So I’ll let these Americans speak for themselves. (Interviews are condensed, full length versions can be found at American Life Histories: Manuscripts from the Federal Writers’ Project, 1936-1940.)

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Letter to President Roosevelt
Mr. Emanuel Verschleiser – December 20, 1938

WPA Workers, MA, 1937

WPA Workers, MA, 1937

To Our Illustrious President:
Our Holy Books say: A poor man is like a dead man. You came and resurrected the poor man from the dead. You came and said: ‘Wake up, forgotten man. I will give you new life. I will give you a new deal.’ Like the prophet, Nathan, who said to King David: You have so many sheep and yet you want to take the last sheep of the poor man; so you said to the rich, to the Wall St. bankers: Leave the poor man his last sheep. Let him also live. All the rich men hate you for that. They know that you brought new hope to the poor plain man. They know that never again will the old times come back. May I end respectfully that your name, our illustrious President, will live forever.

(Mr. Verschleiser of New York, NY was “over 70” years of age, a retired Jewish farmer and former candy shop owner.)

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Myron Buxton
July 25, 1939

One reason people here don’t like WPA is because they don’t understand it’s not all bums and drunks and aliens! Nobody ever explains to them that they’d never have had the new High School they’re so goddam proud of … that new brick sidewalks … the shade trees … all around town, if it weren’t for WPA projects… They don’t stop to consider that on WPA are men and women who have traveled places and seen things, been educated and found their jobs folded up and nothing to replace them with. How you going to call Doc Crowley, for instance, a bum? Practiced a dentist, – and now his eyes are going bad, – think he’s not damn grateful for WPA? How about these college fellows, – some of ‘em on here with me,- M.I.T. graduates, – U. of Alabama – Dartmouth – Yale plenty of them can’t get work, and why?…

Soup Kitchen, D.C., 1936

Soup Kitchen, D.C., 1936

I used to figure everything was right with the world, – you don’t think so much about injustices and inequalities, all the things that oughtn’t to be, when everything’s going rosy with you, know it? It’s only when you get like this, – plugging on WPA never knowin when the axe will fall, – finding but how little people think of your abilities because you’re stuck on WPA – then you begin to read about things, and find that all over everywhere, - there’s two kinds of people, the kind on top, – and the rest, some of whom are trying to get on top, most of whom are just riding along, trying not to think about things any more than they can help…

…you can’t even register in Boston anymore for work, they’ll just look at you as if you were nuts or something! “Why,” they’ll say, “we can fill jobs for ten years just from the people living right here. Go back where you came from. If you can’t find work there, there’s certainly nothing here for you!” So it goes! You know, for a long time I didn’t dare tell mother I was even on the WPA! Then, of course, when the checks came to the house in the mail, the jig was up! She felt terribly about it all, but what could we do? …

One thing I will say, – to you! When the city hasn’t got funds to finance Public Welfare, – and they start in squawking to the state, – and then when the state finds the burden’s more than they can swing, – you’ll see how long it takes the old birds in Washington to realize it’s government help, or else – it’s only that it’s too bad to make all the guys go through what they’ve got to, first, in order to convince Congress we’re not just throwing a lot of heffer-dust about ourselves, right?

(Mr. Buxton of Newburyport, MA was single, 36 year old man with the care of his mother. He was employed as a WPA Draftsman and Asst. Engineer.)

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The More Modest Among Us
Mr. Alex Samuels – December 15, 1939

I bought a home in Decatur. That was in 1920 and houses were at their highest price then. The place cost about $8,500 counting the improvements I put in. My wife was rather anxious to own a place. Personally, I never could see that it was cheeper to buy than to rent. . . I also bought a five-acre lot . . .

FSA Resettlement, 1935

FSA Resettlement, 1935

I returned to Atlanta in 1931 to try to sell my house. I had already sold the lot … what cost $2,500 for $500. No one was greatly interested in building even in 1928. In 1931 it was practically impossible to sell houses for money … I finally traded it for an abandoned farm. I had a $6,000 equity in the place but should have been glad to have sold it for $1,000. I moved to the farm with my collie dog in the fall of 1931.. .

I had over four hundred hens part of the time but that many hens can easily eat fifty or sixty dollars’ worth of feed in a month, and frequently make a return of fifteen or twenty dollars worth of eggs….there was no money to be made on worn-out farm … The farm was profitable only in one respect – it was a pleasant place to live. I sold it in 1937 and netted $500 on it. I may say that I received $500 on my house which had cost at least $6,000 above rent … came back to Atlanta to try for a job, but didn’t have the luck of finding one.

I don’t believe that any one thoroughly understands all of the causes of depressions . . . Certainly Presidents Coolidge and Hoover did not understand the subject, . . . they smilingly assured the American people that all was well with the world and the best of our coming prosperity was just around the corner. . .I sold the small amount of stock which I owned jointly with my mother before the 1929 break …

The depression was very possibly made during the years [1913?] to 1927 when most of us were spending more than we had really made. The sum of debts, if the estimates are at all correct, represented much too large a proportion of our total wealth, and they could only be carried by a continual advance in values…

… A concentration of wealth in the hands of a small proportion of our citizens cannot possibly be made consistent with general prosperity. Regardless of whether one believes that enormous fortunes are acquired by moral individuals or not… In the United States I believe that our past prosperity has been due to our more fair distribution of wealth among those who produced it rather than to the efforts of a few who have managed to control large enterprises.

The New Deal policies seem to me to be generally correct … However, I do not think we are going to see the 1929 levels reached rapidly. Too many people are now accustomed to live on a lower consuming level than they did in the 1920′s. Very few of these I know who are earning well during that period are now spending as freely as they did then. To reach that glorious but rather silly level of spending, we must probably wait until a new generation of spenders, arrives.

Unemployed 1935

Unemployed, 1935

… The W. P. A. or some such arrangement is almost a necessity as long as our industrial organizations unable to properly employ people who are able to work. I believe that in time we will again adjust things, however, so that it will not be necessary. It scarcely would be beneficial to business employment or production to have the millions now depending on W. P. A. unable to buy at all…

The prospects of getting employment do not seem especially good, but there should be a pretty fair chance of starting a small business…

(Mr. Samuels of Atlanta, Georgia, 55 years of age, degrees in mathematics and physics. He taught physics at Georgia Tech and Cornell. From 1914-20, taught in the Philippines and traveled to Japan, China, and India. He became a WPA worker just 3 months prior to his December 1939 interview.)

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So what is my take on FDR’s New Deal? Do I think it worked? Yes, because I think the it did what it needed to do for the American people. The New Deal gave them:

HOPE – for their future
FOCUS – beyond their daily existence
DIVERSION – from their anger and resentment
LIFELINE – in the face of total desperation
FAIRNESS – that the government was looking out for them

And here’s my hope – as everyone continues to debate our current economic situation, the whys and hows of the New Deal, and what any of this could mean for us now, that we not forget that there are very real and complex American lives at the center of all of this, and they are not easily reduced to numbers and simple formulas.

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SusanUnPC has a great clip where Sean Hannity (Yet Again) Makes Sense [Update] and gives an unusual Republican backing the New Deal comparison between FDR and Obama.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Mr. Myron Buxton

    we’re not just throwing a lot of heffer-dust about ourselves

    .

    It’s a keeper.

    • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      I’ll say!

      Thanks for the informative post, Linda!

    • Linda Anselmi

      I also like Mr Samuels’

      To reach that glorious but rather silly level of spending, we must probably wait until a new generation of spenders, arrives

      And here we are, just as he predicted.

  • TeakwoodKite

    what a fasinating source of information, Linda. Thanks.

    As someone who grew up riding the subways of NYC, I have always marveled at the tile work in many of the stations that were constructed during the Depression.

    The level of detail and amount of labor it took to create these works are an example of the New Deal.

    • Linda Anselmi

      Hey Teakwoodkite -

      I think we would all be surprised if we knew how many things we use or see every day that was the result of New Deal program.

      • andrew191

        Yes, it would be very interesting to actually quantify the amount of residual suffering we all experience as a result of the New Deal, the Ponzi scheme of Social Security would be a good place to start.

  • lightacandle

    By the time President Franklin D. Roosevelt had been in office NINE DAYS, he had stabilized and SAVED the American banking system.

    FDR was a man of action and energy who exuded — and instilled — confidence. He was also a man of great courage, great optimism (that carried over to the American public) and great ebullience. Winston Churchill said that “meeting Roosevelt was like uncorking your first bottle of champagne.”

    • andrew191

      Did Churchill get hit in the eye with the cork?

  • lightacandle

    FDR saved America from bankruptcy, from destitution, from collapse, and from becoming a fascist nation — and then led us to victory in World War II.

    • andrew191

      We would have become a Fascist nation without Roosevelt?????? How in Hell did he “save” us from that?

  • TeakwoodKite

    The percentages of economic decline between then and now are spooky.

    • athena

      The parallels between now and then, the leaders in place, the verbage used, etc., is spooky. The Forgotten Man ( a new history of the Great Depression was written 2007) So many similarities. Obama sounds like Hoover and FDR all rolled into one.

  • rw

    ” most of us were spending more than we had really made. The sum of debts, if the estimates are at all correct, represented much too large a proportion of our total wealth, and they could only be carried by a continual advance in values…”

    A bubble defined.

    I am struck by the dignity of the writers. Personal histories make an event so much more palpable and compelling, they humanize it.

  • athena

    If you find this information interesting I suggest you read a book called The Forgotten Man. (the original forgotten man – not the one FDR used as propaganda). It is a real eye opener.

    Remember when reading these interviews above how enamoured so much of the public is with Obama and how skewed the opinion pieces and informational pieces on Obama and his plans are in main stream media. This same slant was present in the media of FDR’s time. Many people expressed positive feedback about FDR and his projects during these times even though their values were in direct contradiction to most of what he was doing….. All is not what it seems.

    • TeakwoodKite

      Thanks Athena, it is on the list.

    • elise

      athena, Amity Shlaes, the author of The Forgotten Man believes lower wages will help the economy recover, but Paul Krugman argues reduction in wages will be followed by lower prices which will leave the economy exactly where it is now.

      I haven’t read her book yet and I’m not sure I will, but I have read a few of her articles. I’m more inclined to Krugman’s opinions and that may be due to a distaste for Republican economics more than anything else which I believe started this crisis. It’s also the idea of revising history not only in re the Depression, but attempts by some Conservatives to revise the presidency of GWB.

      My father was a young man during the Great Depression and I grew up with stories of the hardships. Even so, I doubt stories told can actually bring the reality of the suffering to any of us. My dad was socially conservative, but he believed FDR’s policies brought the country out of the depression. In almost any poll taken in the last fifty years, FDR is in the top five presidents, but I do not believe some of the comments comparing the reverence for him expressed by those who lived through the Depression compares to the false and unfounded worship of Obama.

      For one thing, he had more experience than Obama. Much more. His stewardship of our country during WW11 is seldom mentioned by his critics and I do hope Obama is not faced with a similar challenge because I have no confidence in his ability or judgment. He was paraplegic and was not physically attractive or a GQ model, but he knew how to inspire confidence in the future and reassure the country about the economy and after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

      Comparing the New Deal to the current president and congressional spending spree is a meme from his supporters and has no factual basis. And the new conservative effort to revise the history of the Depression is just as false, IMO.

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    So FDR gave people hope, focus, diversion, a supposed lifeline and the illusion of fairness while he confiscated their property and set up a legacy of inflation. http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson154.html

    Hoover spent too much. Then FDR got in and couldn’t keep his hands off and didn’t let the system reset itself. He wanted to be the ‘savior’ (sound familiar?). He failed to assess the secondary effects his economic policies would have and things just kept getting worse. http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/how-this-happened.html

    The New Deal created more misery and poverty than there would have been had the market been allowed to correct itself.

    • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

      PS–I’m not saying FDR was personally a ‘bad’ man; he was simply wrong. The situation was unprecedented. Obama has no such excuse. I do think he is a bad man; I think he understands the situation and is doing this on purpose.

      • FranSC

        Sonic Ninja Kitty: “I do think he understands the situation and is doing this on purpose.”

        On what premise could Obama POSSIBLY understand this situation? Like the rest of us, he has never seen anything like this economic situation and he SURE has no experience in manipulating these things into existence.

        Even an Allen Greenspan could not purposely cause this and most would consider him very intelligent with decades of economic study and experience.

        Sounds to me like you have unwittingly been convinced by his supporters that he is the most brilliant man around and this trumps life experiences. I don’t think so! You obviously dislike Obama, but you sure as heck are giving him more credit than he deserves – the man cannot put a sentence together without a teleprompter! Get real.

        • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

          LOL! I guess I am a bit confused…never been a kool-aid drinking supporter, but the reason I think he understands (at least a little bit) what’s going on:

          Why would he leave 17 open positions in the Treasury Dept? These must be appointed by the prez, and then those people get their staff and so on–the Treasury is less than skeletal at this point. The economic/banking crisis is obviously the most important thing going on–why is it low on his list of priorities? The only logical conclusion is that he wants the situation to deteriorate on purpose.

          Even pro-Hillary, pro-McCain, anti-Obama people here seem to trust in the general goodwill of Obama, as in ‘he is simply incompetent, inexperienced, unprepared’–that he would fix things if he could. I don’t trust him. Obama has no goodwill towards this country. Even an idiot could figure out you need to focus first on getting good people into Treasury positions. What is with all the parties, vacations and legislative spending sprees???? Look at all the attention to detail he puts into those!

          As for the crisis itself, it was predicted by certain schools of economists (the event if not the exact timing), and it can also be understood to a great extent by studying history.

    • cynic

      The New Deal created more misery and poverty than there would have been had the market been allowed to correct itself.

      That sure isn’t the way my grandparents told the story, and they lived through entire Great Depression era as adults. Most people today wouldn’t really understand what my grandparents meant when they talked about hard times. They don’t have a clue.

      • cynic

        Do a Google image search using the term “Hooverville”. Interesting images. Hooverville was what happened in the cities.

        Click on the Great Depression link that comes up at the top of the image search page to see what the faces of American looked like.

        • cynic

          …American

      • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

        The Depression was very bad, that’s absolutely not up for dispute.

        Why did it last so long? That’s my one and only question.

        • cynic

          I’m no historian, but my thought is that it lasted for so long because the government failed to take agressive action early. Negative trends were allowed to continue without too much governmental interference, in accordance with the theory that the markets would eventually find balance and self-correct. By the time the theory was seriously questioned, economic and social dysfunctionality were so deeply entrenched that many people had lost faith in themselves, our national institutions, and in the possibility for a return to normalcy. Economic depression isn’t only a matter of external circumstances; it’s a crippling collective state of mind, where our own false perception of insurmountable limitations crushes our spirit. This is a good thing for us to remember in the present moment. We basically have everything we need for a national future far brighter than anything we’ve known in the past. The main problem is that we’ve temporarily lost faith in the future. We’re focusing on the obstacles and seeing them as insurmountable, instead of looking at them as challenges we need to overcome to get to what’s beyond them.

          Imagine America 20 years from now. What we imagine can become real. All we need is the best and clearest collective vision of where we want to be. If we foolishly focus on a darker collective vision, that’s also a possible destination.

          • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

            Thanks for the thoughtful response. (That’s the thing I like about the people at NQ!) I agree with the state of mind influencing our actions, but I guess where we disagree is the negatives trends ‘being allowed’ to continue without government interference. IMO, they were actually caused by government interference in the first place. http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson154.html

            Once you get into trouble, subsequent market corrections are never going to be painless (and that reality never makes a good campaign slogan!), but I believe we need to mentally toughen up and deal with reality instead of hope. The market will always correct itself to its sustainable equilibrium. The sooner we do that, the less prolonged misery we will have to endure.

            The further back we go along the chain of events the better: we need to treat causes instead of symptoms. Look to the Fed: they do not support sound monetary policies. I know everyone’s eyes glaze over when anyone mentions ‘sound money’–truth be told, mine do to–but sound money is the only way we can have a sound and reliable economy. It’s the core problem we should be solving right now.

            • cynic

              I certainly can’t argue with your point about the need for sound currency, or the Fed’s crack-brained monetary policies.

      • http://firefox AnnieCollier

        Same here. When he was a teenager, my father worked for the CCC. They built the parks and highways. They wore uniforms and lived in camps. I have a picture of him looking much like a WWI soldier next to a tent with his buddies. He came from a family of eight children coming out of the reconstruction of the Civil War in the south.

        They all did everything they could to support the family. Papa got a job with the RR. When my eldest aunt graduated from HS, then Secretarial school (government funded, I believe) she lived at home and helped with a paycheck until the next sibling followed in her footsteps and eventually took her place. The last graduate went to Occupied Japan as a civil service secretary. By that time, my Father’s family owned the family home and Papa had worked for the Missouri-Pacific RR consistently though out WWII (as did Dad).

        When my father and mother married, they lived on her father’s property in a little 3 room house for rented for $4/month. Mother said sometimes they couldn’t even pay that. However, children back then had to carry their own weight and they’d have never considered asking for free rent. They did grow their own garden, shared other commodities (Grampa owned a butcher shop) most had a few chickens. Dad sometimes picked apples with Grandpa and peddled them in a truck. They were innovative and never idle.

        They all made their own clothes and just about everything else, often redesigning a hand-me-down or turning scraps of material into quilts, etc. Pictures from their courtship show a very stylish, handsome couple; Mother in a lovely chiffon tea dress, Father in white flannels, dark dress shirt and tie. Her engagement picture for the local paper show her in a pretty knit dress wearing a jaunty beret. They had no money but didn’t lack for style or manners. They looked to be on top of the world. No credit cards and any incurred debt, by honor, had to be cleared as fast as possible. Different values.

        But they never forgot the Depression or FDR. They loved him so much, they didn’t mind when their town in GA, which was named for their family, was changed to Warm Springs. It was an honor. So much for FDR being a fluke.

  • WhatNow

    Good point about redistribution of wealth from Mr Samuels letter:
    A concentration of wealth in the hands of a small proportion of our citizens cannot possibly be made consistent with general prosperity. Regardless of whether one believes that enormous fortunes are acquired by moral individuals or not… In the United States I believe that our past prosperity has been due to our more fair distribution of wealth among those who produced it rather than to the efforts of a few who have managed to control large enterprises.

    Redistribution is NOT about taking money from the rich and giving it to people that haven’t worked for it – ie psuedo Robin Hood. It’s having more people having more of the wealth rather than the few that control wealth. Like members of Congress, Wall Street Bankers, The Conglomerates that control the newspapers/TVs, etc. These people would not be so rich and powerful enough to control everything in the US.

    Now, how does word spread about this type of redistribution of wealth?

  • pm317

    Informative post (especially for people like me who did not grow up here).

  • lizzy

    Really enjoyed the excerpts from the oral histories; very enlightening.

    • Linda Anselmi

      Thank you Lizzy -

      I thought it best to let “the people” speak for themselves. Who better?

      Reading interview after interview, it just seemed very telling – how the daily economic struggle wore them out and down. There was no escaping it – year after year of no income.

      Once they lost their job, and then their home – the expenses of daily living just eat away at every other asset they had. And no one else had any money to buy what you needed to sell.

      They just kept spiraled down to the point, where their existence becomes a daily search for basic necessities – food & shelter.

  • r2d2

    FDR’s greatest legacy was a stable financial system. Unfortunately, deregulations, see link distabilized the system. Instead of learning from the Savings and Loan debacle, the Government continued its deregulation and lack of oversight.

  • FranSC

    My Mother said many times that changes came within weeks of Roosevelt’s election. The depression had been going on for three and a half years when Roosevelt was elected. So almost anything would have made a difference at that point.

    Now that I have become aware of more modern-day books like “The Forgotten Man”, I have begun to question whether or not ALL of Roosevelt’s programs were for the best in the long term. I simply do not know.

    I have always been aware that the FDR generation thought he was almost God. We surely have a 2009 example of that. Knowing how fool-hardy the people of today are in thinking of Obama in the same regard, I am open to learning more about the “New Deal” and reserving judgement.

    • FranSC

      FDR was a ‘Father’ figure with a great deal of experience. He had been the Governor of NY. People had reason to have faith in his judgement.

      Today, we have a president that has never had ANY executive experience. He was running for president by the time he was elected to the US Senate. Within a short time he was raising the first money to payoff the Super Delegates for their support of him for POTUS. Only three years before that, he was in the Illinois State Senate voting ‘present’ much of the time and taking credit for legislation that others had done the heavy-lifting. Before that, the streets of Chicago as a community organizer – whatever the hell that is.

      To compare himself to FDR is laughable. To compare himself to Lincoln is insane.

    • andrew191

      The people that loved Roosevelt, REALLY loved him. The People who disliked Roosevelt didn’t dislike him for personal reasons, I think most of his detractors felt that his policies were wrong headed. Many of his policies and actions have been shown to be mistakes, but Roosevelt loved this country and always made what he thought were the right decisions for the U.S., hindsight can’t diminish the devotion he had for this country.

      I’m convinced that todays Roosevelt imposter does not like this country, he is forcing the most gigantic wealth redistribution in history as a form of political payback and backdoor reparations, and he is pushing through by far the largest across the board tax increase in the history of the world (cap and trade). As long as Obama feels he has a deeply devoted and potentially hostile army of rabid supporters behind him, he will not stop. It will get ugly.

      • http://www.marklevinshow.com/ Seattle Moss

        Good Morning Andrew..It’s wet out!

        As long as Obama feels he has a deeply devoted and potentially hostile army of rabid supporters behind him, he will not stop. It will get ugly.

        The mob support can be fleeting in life and can turn on a dime if people rationally see their lives and how Obama policies might impact them.
        I heard Obama’s speech to the round table the other day and I noticed he answered a phrase that I and many have been saying..Obama is Bad for business.
        Obama says he is Good for Business in response.
        By forcing a cap and trade system on the existing economy in the next 10 years means the end of business.

        Here is an example..

        My company buys poly resins from a manufacturer that expels a lot of carbon. They will be increasing prices to us which we will have to pass on to others.
        On top of that my company also will pay more in business taxes because we use a lot of energy to produce industrial bags.
        So far that is two price increase that I have to pass on to my customers.
        Combine that with the attempt to regulate the type of plastic I use to make bags and you have a third big increase…

        • andrew191

          Good morning SM,

          As a responsible business owner, you would naturally have a good grasp of the facts involving cap and trade, thanks for the clear discription.

          Cap and trade will not only be a huge tax increase, it will be a massive weight on the backs of all businesses. Efficiently running a business now is difficult enough with the volumes of rules and regulations, imagine if everyone had to work in a vat of molasses. You can be sure that countries like China and India will not be so stupid and bog down their productivity with such nonsense. It’s hard enough as it is for our own industries to compete right now, cap and trade will suck out whatever life is left.

          Initially, the taxes generated will be a windfall, but when everything shuts off, so will the the anticipated revenue stream. The class war will finally be over, we’ll all be in the same class, destitute.

  • Mandi08

    Are You guys are telling me that Obama is responsible for this mess, are You kidding me. This men is Our Presiden not even 2 months, and He is beying attack by hateful Republicans all over Media. They want Him to FAIL, and hope You are not like them!!!
    Give this man some brake. So far He is doing just as He should. Pork programs are not just added by Democrats but just as much by Republicans. They want those PORK PROGRAMS, but pretending thet is other way.
    Ex-President Bush has no experinece at all, and we chose Him to be OUR 43 President, now You are attacking President Obama . Yes, He has more experience then Bush, at list 3 years in Senate. Get Your facts strait and live this guy Obama alone, He will be just fine
    One more thing!!! Socjalism is not COMMUNISM, stop mixing the facts, learn and think about!!!

    • elise

      Mandi, Obama is not responsible for the financial crisis, but he wanted to be president and now he owns everything beginning January 21, 2009. The spending is his. There’s a little thing called a “VETO PEN” it’s his and he didn’t use it.

    • andrew191

      “Kool-Aid, Kool- Aid,
      Tastes great!
      Wish we had some,
      can’t wait!

    • Ani

      Actually, Mandi, while President Bush was pretty awful, he did have more experience than Obama — he was the Governor of the State of Texas — he actually governed something.

      Obama was in the Senate 143 session days (only two years) before he started running for president. No executive experience, no management experience, no governing experience and precious little legislative experience. No matter how much one may like him, the Presidency is a ridiculously high level of responsibility to take on for someone who has such a meager resume, particularly at this difficult time we face.

    • andrew191

      Mandi, you don’t need to capitalize “he” or “him” unless you are referring to God. Then again, maybe you think you ARE referring to God. Heaven help us.

    • http://firefox Conan The Grammarian

      Get Your facts strait and live this guy Obama alone, He will be just fine
      One more thing!!! Socjalism is not COMMUNISM, stop mixing the facts, learn and think about!

      !!

      Mandi, only if you learn to spell first.

      • Ferd Berfle

        LMAO

        Are you the same Conan the Grammarian who used to post on List of the Day at the Dilbert Zone back in the 90s?

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  • lightacandle

    FDR worked aggressively and creatively to stabilize the banks, feed the hungry, provide jobs for the jobless, and protect farmers and homeowners from foreclosure.

    In 1935, by presidential order, FDR created a works program for the unemployed; it was the WPA or Works Progress Administration.

    In the following few years, the WPA built, expanded, or renovated 2,500 hospitals; nearly 4,000 schools; 13,000 parks and playgrounds; 7,800 bridges; and 651,000 miles of road.

    From its inception, the WPA provided almost 8 million jobs to a nation of 125,000,000 people (America’s population, then, was less than half what it is now). In addition to constructing many public buildings, projects and roads, the WPA also operated large arts, drama, media and literacy projects. The WPA fed children and redistributed food, clothing and housing. Almost every community in America has a park, bridge or school constructed by the agency.

    You can read more about FDR at:

    “A First-Class Temperament: The Emergence of Franklin Roosevelt’ by Geoffrey Ward

    http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odssa.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration#Projects_funded

    http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/fdroosevelt/essays/biography/4

    http://tinyurl.com/bpvpxs

    Timeline of FDR’s first 100 days as president: http://www.epluribusmedia.org/features/2006/200609_FDR_pt4.html

    • Linda Anselmi

      Thank you lightacandle!

      For the great links and information. That timeline of FDR’s first 100 days is wonderful!!

  • lightacandle

    In the early 1930s, the Great Depression was NOT just affecting America; the Depression was worldwide.

    In America, FDR worked creatively and aggressively to repair our shattered economy, feed the hungry and provide jobs; but people in other nations — such as, Germany, Italy and Spain — turned to fascist dictators to solve their woes, and the militaristic forces in Japan grabbed power there.

    There were many people in America, during the Great Depression, who thought fascism would be a good solution to the economic misery we were experiencing. We might, as a nation, have gone down that road if not for the positive leadership of FDR.

  • lightacandle

    On the last morning of Herbert Hoover’s presidency, Hoover said to his secretary, “We are at the end of our string; there is nothing more we can do.”

    That was NOT at all FDR’s view of the situation – or of the possibilities for action to deal with the economic crisis.

    On the day FDR was first inaugurated as president (in March 1933), the Great Depression had already been raging for a few years; thousands of banks had closed. In 32 states, ALL the banks had closed sine die; stocks had lost 80%-90% of their value; and there was 25% to 30% unemployment, not even counting women who were not considered part of the workforce. Millions were homeless; they had lost their homes and were moving in with relatives and friends. One third of the nation was destitute

    FDR rolled up his sleeves, called Congress back into session and — within 100 days — created and got Congress to pass FIFTEEN MAJOR pieces of legislation.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    I believe one of the reasons FDR was so successful stemmed from his struggle with polio. HBO did a really good movie special about his early days. I think it’s titled “Warm Springs”. He underwent a transformation that’s sure. Coming from a wealthy family couldn’t save him from his personal hell. Also his experience put him next to the poor, disenfranchised southerners in GA. He got to see up close how people had been effected. When he became president, he connected with them. He was inaugurated in March and my parents felt encouraged enough to marry the following month. It wasn’t until WWII that they felt secure enough to have children though. Unlike people such as Octomom.

  • http://firefox Conan The Grammarian

    One other thing that comes to mind is how the Bush family, beginning with Prescott Bush, hated FDR. Prescott even conspired with others to assassinate him. The Bush family pledged to wipe the New Deal off the face of the earth. Guess they almost have made it. I guess one reason people find any Republican praise of FDR a bit suspect. Obama is no better as GWBIII.

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