The Israeli Lobby Smear of Charles Freeman

Yeah, I caught this today and he seems to be a rare honest broker who doesn’t just appeal to biases. Its a shame he won’t be serving.

The caving nature of Obama is just getting warmed up. We’re 50 days in and the next thing you know, Obama will join the Project for a New American Century and be flyfishing with Traitor Dick Cheney.

Thank you for the information

For a somewhat different take on Freeman, go here.

Oh and Larry, care to comment on Freeman’s position on Human Rights in China?

Yes, it is a smear taken completely out of context.

Where is the Israeli Lobby Smear in this?

From what I’ve read it’s just some chickens coming home to roost for a guy

who was quoted saying some inexcusable job-related things.

I’m curious how many of you 7 on the letter of support list, personally know Mr. Freeman and have worked for him/with him for a long time? In what capacity? Where? When? Why?

What makes his scary statements go away?

I will continue to speak out as I choose on issues of concern to me and other Americans.

How do you interpret his quote above? I don’t see a denial there.

This is just another example of the despicable, and utterly depraved influence the Israel Lobby has on our domestic and foreign policies. Well, we knew this would be the case the moment Obama picked RAHM to be his CoS.

I don’t know anything about Mr.Freeman, but am struck about how weak BO is. Just wondering why didn’t “fight” for his guy? Actually, I do know the answer. What happened to the best transition ever?

In my less than diplomatic moments, I have often said that “D.C. is a suburb of Israel”.
Please do not lambast me, I have no grievance with Jewish people.
However, I know of no other country that holds such a powerful grip on facets of our government, and I find it inapproporiate!

I assume that with a name like Freeman that this man was Jewish and that makes it doubly odd that he was attacked in this way. Why is everyone so deferential to Israel, no matter what they do or how they do it. I don’t believe that in this complicated world there should be ANY sacred cows.

I suppose that Jewish cries of “Never again” apply only to themselves and that there is no means too abhorrent to justify their ends. Very sad and depressing….

Larry, Please explain Freeman’s pandering to the Chinese thug-dictators who brutally CRUSHED legitimate protests and destroyed a copy of our statue of Liberty during the 1989 demonstrations? In what context is his interpretation of events correct? these Chinese modern Nazis Have 6,000 “death vans” which they carve up live humans for sale of their body parts, many,many who are political dissidents. Any doubts/ check Falun Gong web site. Face it Larry, Your animus towards Israel and her policies does not make freeman right for the job judging from his ADMONISHMENT OF THE CHINESE DICTATORS FOR NOT CRUSHING LEGITIMATE PROTESTS “before they got out of hand”-Freeman. Is there any “context” where this brutal CRUSHING of democratic expression is OK with you? (P.S. I love your site but beg to differ with you on this)

blogforceone–do you have a source for your AIPAC propaganda smears against Freeman?

I’m afraid, Larry, I find Freeman’s Tiananmen Square email problematic as well. Enjoy your return to private life, Mr. Freeman.

JulieD, Read Blumenthal’s article, and you’ll have a better picture of where the “smear” comes from–Steve Rosen of AIPAC, the man currently on trial soon for spying for Israel against the US.

So, the “denial” that is clear to me is the denial in your own mind that AIPAC has adverse and malign influence on our government, and our country. Pro-Israeli advocates see anti-semitism everywhere, and ignore facts everywherein order to rationalize their denial.

Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please ~ Mark Twain

Larry, whenever you post an opinion that includes any allusions, however oblique, to Israel or the Jews, I read with trepidation not only the post but also the comments that follow. This time, both post and the comments were predictably divided into these two categories: people who claim to support Mr. Freeman’s appointment against the “sacred cow” “depraved influence” of the “Israeli lobby” – I took these words just from the present posting and comments and not from the linked articles – and those who reject his appointment based on his views on the issues, supported by references to quotes and testimony, which can be authenticated.

You wrote, “Genuine experts on the region who are not in the pocket or pay of Israel’s lobby welcomed the appointment of Freeman.” Would you have us swallow that no one who is an expert on the region would reject his appointment, but for being in the “pocket or pay of ‘Israel’s lobby’ (single quotes added)?”

As Mr Freeman says,

“The tactics of the Israel Lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth. ”

I believe what Mr Freeman says above could not be more obvious to a dispassionate observer. It heartening to see Mr Freeman, Larry Johnson, and a few others speak out against these bullies. Speaking out is probably the only way to stop this group’s perverted, blatant abuse of power.

At the same time, however, what can Obama say or do, he conducted his own political campaign using the same degenerate tactics, which I think he learned from George W Bush, Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney.

What a world.

“Human Rights in China?” You mean you disagree with Hillary Clinton’s recent recommendation to ignore human rights in China, and keep buying our debt?

Hypocrisy, Doc99. If you’re so big on human rights in China, you’d better look at who supplies the repressive gov’t with its military weapons systems: ISRAEL.

Let’s do talk about China. Let’s talk about those US weapons systems Israel sells to China. Those weapons systems have come back to haunt our military on more than one occasion. If you want to support the Chinese gov’t's repression of human rights, you’ve got a great cheerleader in Israel.

Have you been to China, sweetie?
1989 Beijing was not Cambridge, Mass.

Words mean things. Only dupes and disinformatzia artists construe:

“The truly unforgivable mistake of the Chinese authorities was the failure to intervene on a timely basis to nip the demonstrations in the bud…”

as

ADMONISHMENT OF THE CHINESE DICTATORS FOR NOT CRUSHING LEGITIMATE PROTESTS “before they got out of hand”-Freeman. Is there any “context” where this brutal CRUSHING of democratic expression is OK with you?

The smears of Freeman by AIPAC and their minions here and elsewhere across the web, using human rights in China as a basis to smear Freeman—is staggering–breathtaking–HYPOCRISY.

Do you think Israel cares about human rights in China? Do you think that’s why Israel SELLS US WEAPONS SYSTEMS TO CHINA? Israel has been doing it for decades; the US and the Pentagon have complained about it, and a few years back, even put its foot down and demanded Israel ask permission before selling OUR MILITARY TECHNOLOGY to CHINA.

Do any of you “human rights in China” advocates think this US weaponry that Israel sells to China isn’t used against human rights activists there? What about against US military if it comes to that. Fighting against our own weapons technology in a war wouldn’t be so dandy would it?

Get real.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0509-07.htm

The real danger comes in Israel’s habit of reverse engineering U.S. technology and selling to nations hostile to U.S. interests. Israel’s client list includes Cambodia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, the South Lebanon Army, India, China, Burma and Zambia. The U.S. has most recently warmed up to India and is now in fact competing with Israel for arms sales there, but the other Israeli customers remain dubious at best.

Perhaps the most troubling of all is the Israeli/Chinese arms relationship. Israel is China’s second largest supplier of arms. Coincidentally, the newest addition to the Chinese air force, the F-10 multi-role fighter, is an almost identical version of the Lavi (Lion). The Lavi was a joint Israeli-American design based upon the F-16 for manufacture in Israel, but financed mostly with American aid. Plagued by cost overruns, it was canceled in 1987, but not before the U.S. spent $1.5 billion on the project.

Last April, when the Navy EP-3E surveillance plane was forced to land in China after a Chinese F-8 fighter flew into its propeller, photos show Israeli built Python 3 missiles under the fighter’s wings.

If Israeli weapons sales to China induce misgivings, including the most recent U.S. blocked sale of Israel’s Phalcon airborne radar, the beneficiaries of Chinese arms transfers of Israeli-American technology are even more disturbing. In 1996, as disclosed in the UN Register of Conventional Arms, China sold over 100 missiles and launchers to Iran, along with a handful of combat aircraft and warships. Even worse, in 1997 the New York Daily News reported that Iraq had deployed Israeli-developed, Chinese PL-8 missiles in the no-fly zones, endangering American pilots.

Americans deserve to know where their money is being spent, and how money allocated for friends and technology shared with friends can all too easily end up in the wrong hands, threatening all parties involved. At a minimum, discussions on a new security framework for the Middle East should include plans to monitor and restrict Israeli transfers of U.S.-origin military equipment to potential adversaries. Otherwise, this deadly technology could come back to haunt U.S. and Israeli forces in future conflicts.

Jonathan Reingold is a research associate for the Arms Trade Resource Center at the World Policy Institute and a military analyst for Foreign Policy in Focus.

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http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0995/9509008.htm

September 1995, pgs. 8, 100

Special Report

Israel’s Unauthorized Retransfer of U.S. Technology Exposed

“Israel’s Unauthorized Arms Transfers,” by Duncan Clarke, appearing in the summer issue of Foreign Policy quarterly, demonstrates beyond a reasonable doubt that some American defense technology received by Israel has been retransferred to other countries, some of which are potentially hostile to the United States, in direct contravention of U.S. law. Clarke, a professor of international relations at American University in Washington, DC, maintains that these retransfers “have threatened American commercial interests, compromised intelligence, upset regional stability, strained diplomatic relations, and confirmed the U.S. national security bureaucracy’s long-standing distrust of Israeli technology transfer practices.”

In order to understand the magnitude of Israel’s retransfer of U.S. technology, it is important to consider four factors. First, Israel receives the largest sum of annual U.S. security assistance, $1.8 billion per year, and has access to much of the most sensitive U.S. technology. Second, Israeli defense firms which, according to Clarke, often re-export with the Israeli government’s approval, retransfer U.S. technology to countries to which the United States will not sell (e.g., pre-Mandela South Africa) or who are potential adversaries of the United States (e.g., China). Third, Israel’s defense industry produces nearly identical versions of U.S.-origin equipment which it then sells on the world market in direct competition with U.S. defense firms. Finally, the complaints made by U.S. officials responsible for safeguarding America’s technological secrets fall on deaf ears in Congress, where domestic political maneuvering takes precedence over protecting American national security and commercial interests.

Israel’s annual security assistance budget from the United States helps subsidize the Israeli defense industry, making it heavily dependent on the U.S. for its economic survival. The 1995 Foreign Assistance Act, for example, stipulates that Israel receive no less than $625 million in U.S. taxpayer grant money in 1995 to research, develop and procure “advanced weapons systems” and “defense articles” in the United States and in Israel. This subsidy, combined with Israel’s willingness to re-export U.S. defense technology, gives Israeli defense companies a substantial edge over potential competitors, including defense companies in the United States. By heavily subsidizing the research side of the development process, providing what are effectively working prototypes from which the Israeli firms can build, and allowing Israel to retransfer sensitive technology, the United States government has increased Israel’s ability to compete in the international market exponentially.

Perhaps the worst aspect of Israel’s contravention of U.S. export law involves the end recipients of U.S. technology. South Africa and China, the “principal recipients of unauthorized Israeli re-exports of U.S.-origin defense technology,” according to Clarke, have received substantial amounts of sensitive U.S. technology from Israel. South Africa has acquired anti-tank missiles, aircraft engines, armored personnel carriers and recoilless rifles. China has obtained thermal imaging tank sights, air-to-air missile technology, assistance with “new generation” fighter aircraft (based partly on the largely U.S.-funded Israeli Lavi fighter) and even Patriot missile technology. Not only is most of the evidence for these allegations based on information deemed “reliable” by “virtually all policy and intelligence officials who follow technology transfer issues,” it was partially substantiated with physical evidence when, ironically, U.S.-origin technology was found in captured Iraqi tank sights that had been re-exported from Israel to China, and then to Iraq.

U.S. Aid to Israel Subsidizes a Potent Weapons Exporter

By Jim Krane
Associated Press
June 20, 2002

Beyond competing with U.S. armaments, Israeli weapons also flow to countries off-limits to American companies. Its weapons buttress the arsenals of nations such as China that the United States considers strategic competitors, alarming U.S. military planners.

Last year, U.S. surveillance planes flying along China’s coast were threatened by Chinese fighter jets armed with Israeli missiles.

During the series of airborne confrontations, a Chinese jet crashed after colliding with a U.S. spy plane, killing the Chinese pilot and disabling the U.S. plane. The incident sparked a bitter diplomatic row as China detained the American crew for 11 days.

Had Chinese fighter pilots been given the order to fire, they could have brought down the U.S. planes with Israeli Python III missiles.

U.S. technology given to the Israelis in the form of the Sidewinder missile was used in the development of the Python, said Larry Wortzel, former U.S. Army attache in Beijing and now a military analyst at the Heritage Foundation.

U.S. defense chiefs say Israel sold China the missiles without informing the United States.

“Generally speaking, we’re not in favor of such capable weapons systems being proliferated to a variety of nations around the world,” Rear Adm. Craig Quigley said in a Pentagon briefing last year. “That’s a good missile, and its capabilities are considerable.”

Israel’s arms industry nevertheless continues to put great emphasis on the Chinese market, hawking its spy planes and radar systems at recent trade shows in Beijing and Singapore.

China may unveil as early as this year its new J-10 jet fighter, which experts say is modeled on Israel’s Lavi. The Lavi, now discontinued, was based on the U.S. F-16 and built with $1.3 billion in aid from Washington.

“There’s no doubt in my mind that the F-16 is the Lavi and the Lavi is, in substance, the J-10,” said Wortzel.

Since 1976, Israel has received more U.S. assistance than any other country, with the largest aid flows beginning after Israel and Egypt made peace in 1979.

Washington currently gives Israel about $3 billion per year, two-thirds of it in military grants, the Congressional Research Service says. As U.S. civilian aid is phased out at Israel’s request, military grants are expected to reach $2.4 billion by 2007.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=517522&contrassID=2

Obama forced Freeman out; Chuck Schumer and the Lobby are bragging about their victory now. Wake up, dupes; while you’re drinking the neocon kook-aid about “human rights in China,” they have other agendas. These people are depraved. They are bragging about their power to influence our government at all levels. They don’t have your interests in mind.

Foreign policy expert Larry Rothkopf says that the failure of Freeman’s appointment “cost the United States intelligence and policy communities the benefit of a truly unique mind and set of perspectives” and “have also contributed to what can only be characterized as a leadership crisis in the U.S. government.”

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/10/freeman/index.html

Newsday today had an article on this subject but got confused.

The article referred to Charles W. Freeman and did not use the name Chas. So it was inevitable that the editorial department used the photo of Chas’s son Charles instead of Chas.

Anyone upset about the Zionists’ torpedoing of Freeman should see this article on Israeli espionage in America:

http://www.alternet.org/audits/130891/breaking_the_taboo_on_israel%27s_spying_efforts_on_the_united_states/?page=entire

Breaking the Taboo on Israel’s Spying Efforts on the United States

By Christopher Ketcham, AlterNet
Posted on March 10, 2009, Printed on March 11, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/130891/

Scratch a counterintelligence officer in the U.S. government and they’ll tell you that Israel is not a friend to the United States.

This is because Israel runs one of the most aggressive and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S.. The fact of Israeli penetration into the country is not a subject oft-discussed in the media or in the circles of governance, due to the extreme sensitivity of the U.S.-Israel relationship coupled with the burden of the Israel lobby, which punishes legislators who dare to criticize the Jewish state.

[...]

Israel’s spying on the U.S., however, is a matter of public record, and neither conspiracy nor theory is needed to present the evidence. When the FBI produces its annual report to Congress concerning “Foreign Economic Collection and Industrial Espionage,” Israel and its intelligence services often feature prominently as a threat second only to China.

Article in full at:

http://www.alternet.org/story/130891/

What does Cambridge have to do with this?? and I have never read anything by AIPac.
“The truly unforgivable mistake of the Chinese authorities was the failure to intervene on a timely basis to nip the demonstrations in the bud…”
- Mr, freeman.
as in; Maybe they should have rounded up potential dissidents and sent them to “re-education” camps?? Or worse? Daily beatings and torture possibly until death until they are “right thinking?” Please explain what “Jews” have to do with this statement of his. I am waiting….

What does Cambridge have to do with this?? I have never read anything by AIPac.
“The truly unforgivable mistake of the Chinese authorities was the failure to intervene on a timely basis to nip the demonstrations in the bud…”
- Mr, freeman.
as in; Maybe they should have rounded up potential dissidents and sent them to “re-education” camps?? Or worse? Daily beatings and torture possibly until death until they are “right thinking?” Please explain what “Jews” have to do with this statement of his. I am waiting…. This approach on this site will sure “clean out” any remaining Jewish Americans excluding the “Chomski-ites”

After the Israeli attack on the spy ship USS Liberty, in which 34 Americans were killed, nothing is a surprise. They practice a beggar thy ally or foe policy.

How unfortunate for US foreign policy.

That’s so funny; reading your first paragraph, in which you quote Mr. Freeman; and then the beginning of your second paragraph, “I believe what Mr Freeman says above could not be more obvious to a dispassionate observer. It heartening to see…,” I assumed the next opinion would be something like, “through such thinly veiled disdain for all things Jewish.”

Instead, you lauded the vile sentiments previously expressed.

Fooled me.

That’s basically what I wrote upthread; but with less vigor.

Take Israel out of the equation and considered what would the middle east would be like if Israel were no longer there? (I am not advocating Israel’s dissolution here, bear with me) The Palestinians had their own state and everyone in the region had no reason to be unhappy: would it be all skittles and kumbaya with the arabs/muslim states and America? Or even just kumbaya with the arab states amongst themselves?

Wait, aren’t those the folks who sent planes into our buildings a few years back and killed a few thousand people? The same ones who sit around all day long thinking of ways to bomb the shit out of us (America aka the infidels) in future?

It seems to me if America is uncomfortable with Israel reverse engineering it’s weaponry–we shouldn’t sell any of it to Israel, on the off chance it ends up in Chinese hands. (Just in case China becomes our enemy or something equally unlikely!) If the Israelis are smart they can come up with their own weapons technology and they don’t have to share it with America either, it’s that simple.

What is the arab/muslim agenda? What is Israel’s agenda? To resell American weapons technology? What do they need it for? Just to sell and enrich themselves? Seems pretty short sighted to sell out a friend–or maybe they use it to defend themselves against neighbors who pretty much have said Israel shouldn’t/doesn’t have the right to exist. What if arabs/muslim states said that about America, that we don’t have a right to exist? And then suddenly to me it becomes clear that this all turns on religious affiliation: Judeo-christian western tradition versus Islamic fundamentalist tradition…

gal from cal

It is amazing that you ask a great question and come up with exactly the wrong answer. We would be at peace with the Middle East if we weren’t protecting Israel. This excuse of “Judeo-christian western tradition versus Islamic fundamentalist tradition” in my view is a lame attempt to justify bad policy. We have meddled with the Middle East people in ways that we would find completely unacceptable if we (the US) were the recipients.

I wish I had a great answer for the situation now but there is too much bad blood now between Israel and its neighbors. I believe that Israel’s only hope is to become a more humanitarian nation and sincerely integrate with the Palestinians. I doubt that will ever happen though because they are clearly following their “Manifest Destiny” to take over all the land they can grab and they view the Palestinians as little more than dogs.

Before we feel paranoid about them being surrounded by enemies, I think we should take into account their incredible advantage in weaponry including nuclear bombs. I don’t think they are in danger of annihilation anytime soon. This is why we need a realistic US policy regarding our relationship with Israel.

Ah, the sainted Charles Freeman.

Before you kneel down, perhaps you should consider:

http://www.newcriterion.com/posts.cfm/Charles-Freeman-and-his-curious-defenders-5509

an excerpt: “As it happens, Saudi Arabia is not the only oligarchy toward which Freeman has a strong tropism. Here is what he had to say, on a 2006 listserv, about the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989, and it’s worth keeping Dreyfuss’ “truth to power” encomium in mind:

I find the dominant view in China about this very plausible, i.e. that the truly unforgivable mistake of the Chinese authorities was the failure to intervene on a timely basis to nip the demonstrations in the bud, rather than — as would have been both wise and efficacious — to intervene with force when all other measures had failed to restore domestic tranquility to Beijing and other major urban centers in China. In this optic, the Politburo’s response to the mob scene at “Tian’anmen” stands as a monument to overly cautious behavior on the part of the leadership, not as an example of rash action.

For myself, I side on this — if not on numerous other issues — with Gen. Douglas MacArthur. I do not believe it is acceptable for any country to allow the heart of its national capital to be occupied by dissidents intent on disrupting the normal functions of government, however appealing to foreigners their propaganda may be. Such folk, whether they represent a veterans’ “Bonus Army” or a “student uprising” on behalf of “the goddess of democracy” should expect to be displaced with despatch from the ground they occupy. I cannot conceive of any American government behaving with the ill-conceived restraint that the Zhao Ziyang administration did in China, allowing students to occupy zones that are the equivalent of the Washington National Mall and Times Square, combined. while shutting down much of the Chinese government’s normal operations. I thus share the hope of the majority in China that no Chinese government will repeat the mistakes of Zhao Ziyang’s dilatory tactics of appeasement in dealing with domestic protesters in China.”

See, that’s all I asked for, opinion supported by facts. Great letter.

To Greg who wrote “We would be at peace with the Middle East if we weren’t protecting Israel.”

Nice definition of peace, to let millions be slaughtered, either by the annihilation of Israel or because Israel unleashes nuclear weapons in self-defense.

Must be comfortable in that cave you’ve crawled into. Peaceful.

And your insightful wish that you “..believe that Israel’s only hope is to become a more humanitarian nation and sincerely integrate with the Palestinians.” …well perhaps you think that the countries surrounding Israel are well-known humanitarian nations. And that the rockets being fired into Israel daily are just harmless firecrackers.

If the nations surrounding Israel want peace, they merely have to agree to her right to exist, and refrain from attacking her.

I am confused. Somehow I had the impression that George W Bush, Dick Cheney, and the Neocons were in cahoots with the Royal Saudis to keep certain Islamic fundamentalist groups away from THEIR kingdom and THEIR oil. Mr Benoit’s letter seems to be saying that Mr Freeman is a slavish follower of the Royal Saudis, which I would have thought would make him an ally of Israeli militant Zionist types (sorry, I’m not up on my Middle East politics). I am just confused. I really am. And I must say that Mr Freeman’s detractors have not enlightened me in the slightest.

If you can’t convince them with logic, snow them with BS.

When all else fails, blame the Joooos. Sounds familiar.

Falun Gong? Get real.

What’s vile is israel and its goons.

How exactly are we “protecting Israel?” Trade, partnering, giving a few billion bucks in financial aid and sharing of weapons/technology? Are we “giving protection” to them in the form of a free pass to defend themselves when Israelis have bombs raining down on them from suicide bombers/RPG’s/hamas and not condemning them for doing so?

“Some in the United States question the aid and commitment to Israel, and argue that a bias operates at the expense of improved relations with various Arab states.” And so which arab states are super-supportive of America and view our country positively? (how do Israelis view America? They seem to like our cultural exports including democracy) Which arab states really want to be our friends but are prevented from doing so because we are friends with Israel? Would Syria be our BFF if only we’d dump Israel?

You betray your bias by stating that Israelis view Palestinians as “little more than dogs.” The Palestinians and their terrorist Hamas affiliates mandates wiping Israel and its people off the map. That’s how they feel about Israel, that’s their policy and that’s how they roll–they want them all gone–every last man, woman and child. What if they felt that way about America too? Even just a little?

So Israel is just greedy and wants all the land for itself in the middle east? It wants to push all the arab countries out for a bunch of desert/oil producing property? The Israelis just want to survive in their little sliver of land–they aren’t out for a land grab and pushing the poor Palestinians aside to do so, as you make it sound. And speaking of land, why isn’t Syria or Saudi Arabia welcoming its Palestinian friends who they think are getting the shaft from Israel by showering them with land? Why is Israel the country that has to give them land and set them up? Have you seen the size of Saudi Arabia or Syria on the map? Their states are HUGE, compared to Israel. America isn’t insisting that arab states set up their little Palestinian brother, why is that?

Are you saying the Israeli’s should be more “christian” and be charitable to the Palestinians and turn the other cheek to that whole, “being wiped off the face of the planet” thing? But you think this has nothing to do with religious ideology?

If the U.S. said we’ll give you foreign aid (like we do with every other country in the world who is a friend–and even sometimes an enemy–that we need to support) and we’ll help supply you with weapons (as America does with its allies) and that’s it–how is that different from what is already our U.S. policy? What special level of protection is the U.S. giving that we should stop, if we want to cultivate the arab states that really kinda don’t like our culture so much anyway?

And BTW, best kept secret of the middle east–some of Israel’s neighbors actually like them and do business and trade with them (but keep that on the down low because if the neighbors find out–they’ll go apeshit!)

Where did you come from all of a sudden, zionist?

New here, zionist?

1st, israel is not our friend, and 2nd, china is our enemy.

Your bias is blatant. Never seen your name here before. Must have triggered the response mechanism.

New here?

BS, no facts in that rant.

right on, jbjd.

All I can say is WOW. This article really brought the vermin out. Must have touched a nerve.

move to saudi arabia, why don’t you.

Juan cole’s response
Wednesday, March 11, 2009
Did Schumer and Emanuel Sink Freeman?

My interpretation of Chas Freeman’s withdrawal from appointment as the chairman of the National Intelligence Council is that it was provoked primarily by Chuck Schumer and Rahm Emanuel. Schumer’s call to White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel was probably the decisive event, though we don’t know what Emanuel’s reaction was.

That is, the original charge against Freeman was led by the spy for Israel, Steve Rosen, whose hiring by Daniel Pipes’ Middle East Forum/ Campus Watch is excellent evidence of what those operations really are. Rosen, when he was a head of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s Middle East bureau, handed over classified Pentagon documents to the Israeli embassy in Washington DC, which were given to him by the agent Larry Franklin, a high-level Pentagon employee who reported to Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz.
http://www.juancole.com/

READ THE WHOLE THING

Have you read Max Blumenthal’s take. He claims that Rep Israel was one of the main pushers of smearing Freeman
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-03-10/obamarsquos-mideast-policy-smackdown/

Been following Jinsa on this. Here you go
Jinsa’s report on Freeman on Feb 27
http://www.jinsa.org/node/939
“Charles “Chas” Freeman is an appalling choice for Chairman of the National Intelligence Council (NIC). As President of the Saudi-funded Middle East Policy Council, Mr. Freeman functions as lobbyist, making his analysis suspect. And his analysis is, in any event, appalling. Gabriel Schoenfeld, in The Wall Street Journal’s “Opinion Journal,” reveals a once private 2006 Freeman Internet post that Schoenfeld says, “was provided to me by a former member” of a private site. Freeman is said to have written of the 1989 Chinese massacre in Tiananmen Square:”

AND THEN JINSA’S SPIN TODAY
http://www.jinsa.org/node/952
INSA Report #:
868
March 11, 2009

Politico reports that Charles “Chas” Freeman, “‘requested his selection to be Chairman of the National Intelligence Council not proceed,’ [DNI Dennis] Blair’s office said in a statement. ‘Director Blair accepted Ambassador Freeman’s decision with regret.’”

Amb. Freeman and his friends claim he was railroaded by the “Israel lobby” – which we think of as largely fictional. Politico reported that Nicholas Veliotes, a former U.S. Ambassador to Egypt said, “If they withdraw his appointment prior to the conclusion of [his formal vetting] that would be seen as abject caving in on people who are extreme partisans of Israel.” Freeman himself said:

“LARGELY FICTIONAL” What absolute fucking horseshit. Just lie, spin, poke. And they wonder why people are getting pissed with the I Lobby

So we have Steve Rosen leading the way, Jinsa, Zoa, Rep Israel, Senator Schumer, Rahm Emmanuel….”Largely fictional” hogwash.

FACT the I lobby rolled over Freeman and it is pathetic that the Obama administration allowed them to get away with it

folks are tired of this horseshit

Susan and Larry are you going to encourage folks to hammer, Schumer, Emmanuel, Rep Israel with phone calls emails?

Blogforce one:

as in; Maybe they should have rounded up potential dissidents and sent them to “re-education” camps?? Or worse? Daily beatings and torture possibly until death until they are “right thinking?” Please explain what “Jews” have to do with this statement of his. I am waiting…. This approach on this site will sure “clean out” any remaining Jewish Americans excluding the “Chomski-ites”

That’s a mighty big leap for such a half-wit.

You’re putting words in Freeman’s mouth.

Freeman never said or implied any such thing.

To answer your moronic strawman question:

“Jews” don’t have anything to do with this “statement of his” which you have so gratuitously misrepresented and misconstrued. So, why are you posting anything about it in a comment section having to do with AIPAC?

See you have the Max Blumenthal article. Over at Washington Note there have been several discussions about Charles Freeman during the last week.
Wondering how everyone could get on the same page and let their voices be heard about this in unison? Any ideas?

Here you go check out Zoa a few weeks ago

http://www.zoa.org/sitedocuments/actionalert_view.asp?actionalertID=1592

How in the hell could anyone argue the I lobby had nothing to do with this. I know have their heads up where the sun does not shine

Israel and it’s Lobby in the US prompted us to go to war in Iraq, and they are prompting us to go to war in Iran. So, if you are a defender of these Pro-Israeli/anti-American activists, then you are a supporter of the war in Iraq and possibly Iran. That makes you culpable for the outcomes of those wars, morally, and politically.

The argument that AIPAC is not a highly influential–perhaps THE most influential lobby is ludicrous in that light. NO OTHER LOBBY can influence policy-makers to attack another nation on specious, illegal grounds, except AIPAC.

Thanks for bringing that up. In light of the anti-American actions of Israel through the decades, that is just another hideous facet of AIPAC. They defend the lie about the USS Liberty, so that no americans who died in that attack get justice. It is STILL, to this day, being ignored by our own government.

Shame on anyone who supports AIPAC; they support the slaughter of American military troops, whether it’s by selling weaponry to China and other nations hostile to US interests, influencing the US to engage in illegal wars around the globe, or spying on US interests, and conducting technological warfare against us.

I’m not sympathetic at all to Freeman or his thug son. I’m rather amazed that people think Freeman isn’t biased. So there’s no truth to these problems in Saudi Arabia, which he praises to the skies: http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/special_report/45.pdf. The quotes I’ve seen, in context, on a number of issues including the Saudis textbooks, is rather damning. I guess that counts for nothing?

John Podhoretz twirls his evil moustache.

As I say, truly astounding. Barack Obama, the anti-neocon, wins 66 million votes and 53 percent. Members of his party control the House of Representatives by a 50 vote margin and are nearly filibuster-proof in the Senate. And still a small cabal of people who — get this! — have the nerve to write articles and blog items quoting the words of the man appointed to head the National Intelligence Council on matters as various as the wonders of the Saudis, the glories of the suppressors of Tienanmen, and the responsibility of the United States for 9/11! See us work our kabbalistic Yiddische magic on the hapless liberals who only think they are in control in Washington! Truly, our power is awesome to behold! Klein acts brave, but we know he quivers before us! If only he knew what we have next up our sleeve. Why, we might even sponsor a…CONFERENCE!

SN in MN , How are the Neo Nazi rallies going 4 U? You listen to the new Prussian Blue cd? good stuff, eh? I’ve been here for years and you? I happen to be a W.A.S.P and a proud American who knows who our friends are and Israel is one of them! Not Saudi arabia or RED CHINA. You are a little bit west of Idaho. U bummed out that there are too many “jews” around? You got a big ‘holiday’ coming up soon,,,, April 20th,- Big plans?

Larry, too bad your site is slowly being taken over by Neo- Nazi types.I notice that traffic is down, Is this your intent?

So what was the problem exactly during WWII when the Arab world sided with Hitler? Israel didn’t exist then, so that couldn’t have been the excuse. How about passages in the Quran, Wahhabi publications, and even Hamas’ constitution (?) that talk about wiping out the Jews and Israel, and that even if there was no Israel? Does it matter? Is it maybe just an excuse to manipulate the West into making the first mistake capitulating to its demands, ready to push for even more after we give them Israel on a silver platter?

Furthermore, compared to Pakistan, I can’t imagine why anyone would think Israel needed to be dealt with so harshly. Like the way our government didn’t go after Japanese war criminals, we hardly seem able to criticize Pakistan for its half-hearted handling of post-911 issues, yet everyone rips into Israel. Astonishing.

The Canadian government recently had an investigation they did into Chinese organ harvesting that supported the accusation that Falun Gong members were being murdered in prison for their organs. In your opinion, they deserve that merely because they are Falun Gong and this Freeman guy opened his mouth too much and got in trouble for supporting governments like this? This website is getting really bad anymore. Maybe I shouldn’t come here.

Anyone hearing the MSM report about this Freeman issue? I have not heard Chris matthews, Keith, Rachel or Shuster touch it. Think their producers are holding them back? Anyone hearing the MSM touch this issue?

Glenn Greenwald’s take on the Freeman issue
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/10/freeman/

mountainaires, it would appear what the Chinese can’t steal from us the old fashioned way, they just buy from Israel.

I do not pretend to understand the sale of weapons to other countries as they seem to bite our military in the f22….

Thanks for the link.

you really lower the seriousness of “neo-nazi” types by your comment. I’ve been pretty offended at some of the comments around here from time to time, but sorry, they don’t rise to the level of “neo-nazi”.

What do you want to contribute in a positive way, then set the example. This sort of comment is pedestrian at best, and doesn’t show much of your genius.

Mr. Johnson , I just wanted to thank you for bringing this to the fore.

I would never be qualified to know who’s dagger it was that caused the Amb Freeman to withdrawal.

What I am concerned about is that BO will not stick up for those who are qualified. It matters not, if one agrees or disagrees with the individual in question. If their creds are

Certainly, I do not see a wave of qualified people applying for these job.

Why did Zinni get whacked now this person?This is very unsettling to a observer such as myself, who will never know the half of it. I can only imagine how frustrating it is for a person of your experience and insights.

Do you want the job? (just kidding)

EDITED BY LARRY JOHNSON

YOU ARE AN ISRAELI PROPAGANDIST AND ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PROPAGANDIZE HERE. YOUR COMMENTS ARE BEING REMOVED.

One of these days American Jews are going to have to decide whether they are Americans or Israelis.

Also, AIPAC should be registered as a foreign lobby. The AIPAC traitor trial should be brought to a swift conclusion. Enough is enough. AIPAC and its minions are a cancer on America.

Also, the billions of American tax dollars per year going to Israel should be cancelled. Also, no more wars for Israel like Iraq. No more warmongering for war with Iran. Enough is enough.

Campaign reform should be enacted so Zionists and other special interests cannot buy American politicians.

More and more people are learning how the Israel Cult and its apparatchiks operate. Having pushed this country into the Iraq war debacle, the Cult wants to push it into another, and another, and another. Anyone who gets in the way of its goal, war against the perceived enemies of Israel is slimed by the Cult and its media and political allies.

No more wars for Israel.

There is so much here regarding Mr.Freeman, that I don’t think we’ll all get the truth of who is responsible for him not taking the appointment. We who participated in these primaries and GE know all about the “smears” used to discredit those we supported.

I don’t know enough or read anything regarding Mr. Freeman, so I have no business commenting. However, I’ve come to realize, too many people are discredited from missinformation.

I remember when this blog was outraged about the anti-AIPAC smears on Obama’s site.

everybody spies on everybody; there’s really nothing new there. that hardly means we should dump israel in favor of the arab countries. jeezus christ. move to saudi arabi if you think they’re so great.

Larry, thanks for bringing this important issue to the fore. It’s a shame that Obama’s weakness has once again led U.S. interests to be swamped by the interests of a foreign country that is at best inimical to our interests and at worst a looming catastrophe for us. (War in Iran, anyone?)

What really has AIPAC’s panties in a twist is the idea that we might be opening up dialogue with Iran. Israel doesn’t want this, is desperate to stop it, and would really much rather that we expend our blood and treasure fighting a proxy war for it in Iran like we did in Iraq.

No mas. If Israel wants to obliterate its neighbors, and continue operating as a criminal state, it can do so on its own dime.

Incidentally I stopped posting here for a long time because I didn’t like the anti-Muslim prejudice that seemed to tinge some posts, in discussions of Israel. It’s nice to see some balance (although I know Larry has always had a good view of the issue, some of the commenters were not my cup of tea.)

Badge of Honor !

US foreign policy is not so much dictated by Israel as coincides with it. Israel is the US’s watchdog in the Middle East, keeping the uppity oil-rich Arabs in check, with the help of some local dictators.

http://gazasolidarity.blogspot.com/2009/03/freeman-affair-commentators-ask-how.html

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