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		<title>By: Thursday, March 12, 2009 &#171; Rising in Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thursday, March 12, 2009 &#171; Rising in Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 03/12/2009 &#183; No Comments  There is a good analysis of Tim Geithner&#8217;s interview with Charlie Rose on March 10, on PBS, by Larry Doyle over at the No Quarter blog, http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/03/11/charlie-rose-speaks-to-tim-geithner/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 03/12/2009 &middot; No Comments  There is a good analysis of Tim Geithner&#8217;s interview with Charlie Rose on March 10, on PBS, by Larry Doyle over at the No Quarter blog, <a href="http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/03/11/charlie-rose-speaks-to-tim-geithner/" rel="nofollow">http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/03/11/charlie-rose-speaks-to-tim-geithner/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jaycephus</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/17067/charlie-rose-speaks-to-tim-geithner/#comment-1156692</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaycephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to add that we have a &#039;form&#039; of capitalism, but the accusation that &#039;free markets&#039; led to this is laughable.  (Cynic didn&#039;t make that accusation, but we hear it constantly, so I wanted to add that point.) Central planning in the form of the Fed and a politicized &#039;regulatory system&#039; that is heavy-handed in one area, and turns a blind eye in another is what caused this. (But the regulatory system is irrelevant if the Fed didn&#039;t do what they did first.)

Bernanke addressed the CFR on Tuesday 3/10, and he explained that the crises began as a result of global economic imbalances: the US and some other countries borrowed too much money, spent it, and didn&#039;t have enough savings, and there were other countries that saved a lot of money and had excess savings, and loaned that money to the US, and the US blew that money, that the &#039;free-market&#039; and the government didn&#039;t take action to make sure the money was invested well.

Well, first, one of the ways a &lt;em&gt;true free-market&lt;/em&gt; would make sure the money is invested well is that it would set the cost of money, the interest rate based on availability of real savings, be it ours or a foreign investor, and it would also be set based on a real expectation of return on investment. But when Bernanke&#039;s Fed sets 1% or 0% interest rates, it becomes a free-for-all. Companies like Starbucks can engage in foolish strategies. People can buy homes they shouldn&#039;t have, even if they have the income and the down-payment.

Second, Bernanke&#039;s prescriptions are out of line with his diagnosis. If the problem was no savings and too much debt, then why does he continue to punish and destroy savings and encourage more debt? Artificially low interest rates discourage savings by providing little return through interest bearing accounts, of course, but also by inducing inflation. (I know the govt figures claim little inflation, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what we are seeing on the ground, now, and certainly not over the past decade.)  

And finally, he suggests a new government agency that looks at business cycles and makes sure booms and bust don&#039;t get too big. WTH? I thought the Fed&#039;s original purpose was to do just that! Does he not understand that America&#039;s savings rate is low because the Fed has kept interest rates at a ridiculously low level, far below where a true free-market would have kept them, for far too long?  That our debt is so high because borrowing was cheap? He&#039;s saying we need a government agency to make sure the Fed doesn&#039;t print too much money and keep interest rates too low.

So, we need a back-seat driver who tells the front-seat driver what to do? And what their attempting to drive is the so-called &#039;free market&#039;? How about we just get rid of the Fed, go back to sound money, and let the market drive itself. Then we would be a lot closer to having a free-market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to add that we have a &#8216;form&#8217; of capitalism, but the accusation that &#8216;free markets&#8217; led to this is laughable.  (Cynic didn&#8217;t make that accusation, but we hear it constantly, so I wanted to add that point.) Central planning in the form of the Fed and a politicized &#8216;regulatory system&#8217; that is heavy-handed in one area, and turns a blind eye in another is what caused this. (But the regulatory system is irrelevant if the Fed didn&#8217;t do what they did first.)</p>
<p>Bernanke addressed the CFR on Tuesday 3/10, and he explained that the crises began as a result of global economic imbalances: the US and some other countries borrowed too much money, spent it, and didn&#8217;t have enough savings, and there were other countries that saved a lot of money and had excess savings, and loaned that money to the US, and the US blew that money, that the &#8216;free-market&#8217; and the government didn&#8217;t take action to make sure the money was invested well.</p>
<p>Well, first, one of the ways a <em>true free-market</em> would make sure the money is invested well is that it would set the cost of money, the interest rate based on availability of real savings, be it ours or a foreign investor, and it would also be set based on a real expectation of return on investment. But when Bernanke&#8217;s Fed sets 1% or 0% interest rates, it becomes a free-for-all. Companies like Starbucks can engage in foolish strategies. People can buy homes they shouldn&#8217;t have, even if they have the income and the down-payment.</p>
<p>Second, Bernanke&#8217;s prescriptions are out of line with his diagnosis. If the problem was no savings and too much debt, then why does he continue to punish and destroy savings and encourage more debt? Artificially low interest rates discourage savings by providing little return through interest bearing accounts, of course, but also by inducing inflation. (I know the govt figures claim little inflation, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what we are seeing on the ground, now, and certainly not over the past decade.)  </p>
<p>And finally, he suggests a new government agency that looks at business cycles and makes sure booms and bust don&#8217;t get too big. WTH? I thought the Fed&#8217;s original purpose was to do just that! Does he not understand that America&#8217;s savings rate is low because the Fed has kept interest rates at a ridiculously low level, far below where a true free-market would have kept them, for far too long?  That our debt is so high because borrowing was cheap? He&#8217;s saying we need a government agency to make sure the Fed doesn&#8217;t print too much money and keep interest rates too low.</p>
<p>So, we need a back-seat driver who tells the front-seat driver what to do? And what their attempting to drive is the so-called &#8216;free market&#8217;? How about we just get rid of the Fed, go back to sound money, and let the market drive itself. Then we would be a lot closer to having a free-market.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaycephus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaycephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All true.

But at the very foundation is the Fed, which controls the &#039;money supply&#039;.  Greenspan and Bernanke have kept interest rates too low for too long. It all gets back to that, because that is the basis of the &quot;cheap credit&quot;.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K__ZsDH3Qw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2DRrsv4Des</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All true.</p>
<p>But at the very foundation is the Fed, which controls the &#8216;money supply&#8217;.  Greenspan and Bernanke have kept interest rates too low for too long. It all gets back to that, because that is the basis of the &#8220;cheap credit&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K__ZsDH3Qw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K__ZsDH3Qw</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2DRrsv4Des" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2DRrsv4Des</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jaycephus</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/17067/charlie-rose-speaks-to-tim-geithner/#comment-1156648</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaycephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of economists saw this coming, but none, or only a handful of them, were Keynsian-type economists. They&#039;re the type that think we just need to get consumers consuming again, and everything will be great. It doesn&#039;t matter if America actually produces anything, or whether what we produce is produced at a competitive price. 

And they think this consuming can be started by &#039;stimulus&#039; of the road-building variety. 
 
But if their base assumptions are wrong, then their prescriptions will be wrong.

They didn&#039;t see a problem with inflating a credit bubble, providing cheap money to everyone from  homebuyers that want to buy a McMansion they can&#039;t really afford to companies like Starbucks or Marble Slab that wanted to put a store every 100 yards and on every corner to sell $5 coffee or $7 ice cream.

The above examples and a thousand more beside represent misallocations of wealth that, for the most part, was borrowed from non-Americans. Like the money all the NASDAQ investors put into Pets.com and the like, this wealth has already evaporated. Gone. Home prices (sans inflation) are NOT going back up. That was fake, and that money is GONE. Starbucks is not going to keep all of those stores open. They&#039;re shutting down excess stores, and a lot of other commercial real estate is going to drop in value just like the home values did. This is playing out still, and we haven&#039;t even gotten half way through the adjustments.

Many of the needed adjustments have been prevented from taking place. GM NEEDED to go bankrupt, if that was required legally in order for them to force a reworking of all labor contracts. There is no way for GM to make cars profitably using workers who almost can&#039;t be fired, who make twice what equivalent American workers make elsewhere, who have utterly unrealistic benefits and pensions, and who insist it takes twice as many of them to do what other companies get done with half as many people. I believe that when GM last had record car sales, they still couldn&#039;t turn a profit, and when they last did turn a profit, it was due to the financing side, GMAC, IN SPITE of the losses on the manufacturing side.

The economy is simply not going to be fixed by producing more consumer credit so that Americans can more easily afford to go into greater debt to buy ever more expensive union-made cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of economists saw this coming, but none, or only a handful of them, were Keynsian-type economists. They&#8217;re the type that think we just need to get consumers consuming again, and everything will be great. It doesn&#8217;t matter if America actually produces anything, or whether what we produce is produced at a competitive price. </p>
<p>And they think this consuming can be started by &#8216;stimulus&#8217; of the road-building variety. </p>
<p>But if their base assumptions are wrong, then their prescriptions will be wrong.</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t see a problem with inflating a credit bubble, providing cheap money to everyone from  homebuyers that want to buy a McMansion they can&#8217;t really afford to companies like Starbucks or Marble Slab that wanted to put a store every 100 yards and on every corner to sell $5 coffee or $7 ice cream.</p>
<p>The above examples and a thousand more beside represent misallocations of wealth that, for the most part, was borrowed from non-Americans. Like the money all the NASDAQ investors put into Pets.com and the like, this wealth has already evaporated. Gone. Home prices (sans inflation) are NOT going back up. That was fake, and that money is GONE. Starbucks is not going to keep all of those stores open. They&#8217;re shutting down excess stores, and a lot of other commercial real estate is going to drop in value just like the home values did. This is playing out still, and we haven&#8217;t even gotten half way through the adjustments.</p>
<p>Many of the needed adjustments have been prevented from taking place. GM NEEDED to go bankrupt, if that was required legally in order for them to force a reworking of all labor contracts. There is no way for GM to make cars profitably using workers who almost can&#8217;t be fired, who make twice what equivalent American workers make elsewhere, who have utterly unrealistic benefits and pensions, and who insist it takes twice as many of them to do what other companies get done with half as many people. I believe that when GM last had record car sales, they still couldn&#8217;t turn a profit, and when they last did turn a profit, it was due to the financing side, GMAC, IN SPITE of the losses on the manufacturing side.</p>
<p>The economy is simply not going to be fixed by producing more consumer credit so that Americans can more easily afford to go into greater debt to buy ever more expensive union-made cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree but the fact that he wants to eliminate all earmarks except those he thinks are &quot;worthy&quot; will ultimately erode the power of the legislature. The legislative branch is in charge of determining spending priorities not the executive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree but the fact that he wants to eliminate all earmarks except those he thinks are &#8220;worthy&#8221; will ultimately erode the power of the legislature. The legislative branch is in charge of determining spending priorities not the executive.</p>
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		<title>By: EWard</title>
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		<dc:creator>EWard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry

Excellent analysis of Geithner&#039;s interview.  Needless to say, I do not trust OIAF because he constantly lies.  Having you breakdown Obama&#039;s War on Capitalism is very helpful.    

Could you define the &quot;mark to market&quot; accounting rule and how it impacts our financial institutions?

How can we counter their misinformation and mixed messages about the economy?  In other words, how can we control our own economic future while having a dictator for a President?

Aaron- Kudos to your remarks....I agree 100% that any action Obama takes is a power grab....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry</p>
<p>Excellent analysis of Geithner&#8217;s interview.  Needless to say, I do not trust OIAF because he constantly lies.  Having you breakdown Obama&#8217;s War on Capitalism is very helpful.    </p>
<p>Could you define the &#8220;mark to market&#8221; accounting rule and how it impacts our financial institutions?</p>
<p>How can we counter their misinformation and mixed messages about the economy?  In other words, how can we control our own economic future while having a dictator for a President?</p>
<p>Aaron- Kudos to your remarks&#8230;.I agree 100% that any action Obama takes is a power grab&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the definition of earmarks was that such appropriations for projects originated in the legislature and not the executive.  Obama taking &quot;over earmarks&quot; no longer makes them earmarks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the definition of earmarks was that such appropriations for projects originated in the legislature and not the executive.  Obama taking &#8220;over earmarks&#8221; no longer makes them earmarks.</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cath....Summers is part of the Washington think tank. Was in Rubin&#039;s Treasury as was Geithner. Then became treasury Secretary himself before going to Harvard as Prez. He blew himself up there with the asinine statement about women&#039;s intellect. 

Supposedly a very difficult individual. Huge ego. he pissed PAul Volker off within hte first few weeks of this administration by not including Volker in meetings. Never one to keep his ego out of the process. 

Also was very involved in a number of decisiosn that kept regulation oout of the derivatives market. 

Smarter than all of us, we should be honored to have him serve for us. (lol)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cath&#8230;.Summers is part of the Washington think tank. Was in Rubin&#8217;s Treasury as was Geithner. Then became treasury Secretary himself before going to Harvard as Prez. He blew himself up there with the asinine statement about women&#8217;s intellect. </p>
<p>Supposedly a very difficult individual. Huge ego. he pissed PAul Volker off within hte first few weeks of this administration by not including Volker in meetings. Never one to keep his ego out of the process. </p>
<p>Also was very involved in a number of decisiosn that kept regulation oout of the derivatives market. </p>
<p>Smarter than all of us, we should be honored to have him serve for us. (lol)</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geithner will not be thrown under the bus ever! He is central to the GLobal Central Bankers plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geithner will not be thrown under the bus ever! He is central to the GLobal Central Bankers plan.</p>
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		<title>By: cathnealon</title>
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		<dc:creator>cathnealon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry
Could you please comment on an article that appeared in The Nation last year on Larry Summers. It seemed to be a very negative assessment of his career so far and I thought I read something about his dealings in Lithuania that actually helped to destroy their economy after the breakup of the Soviet Union? If this article is truthful why the heck is he in charge of BO&#039;s team? Sorry, I don&#039;t have any link to this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry<br />
Could you please comment on an article that appeared in The Nation last year on Larry Summers. It seemed to be a very negative assessment of his career so far and I thought I read something about his dealings in Lithuania that actually helped to destroy their economy after the breakup of the Soviet Union? If this article is truthful why the heck is he in charge of BO&#8217;s team? Sorry, I don&#8217;t have any link to this story.</p>
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		<title>By: American Girl in Italy</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Girl in Italy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He’ll be thrown under the bus&quot;

I thought he was too big to flail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He’ll be thrown under the bus&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought he was too big to flail?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t expect Geithner to last much longer.

He&#039;ll be thrown under the bus with Obama telling the world he was &quot;not the Geithner he thought he knew.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t expect Geithner to last much longer.</p>
<p>He&#8217;ll be thrown under the bus with Obama telling the world he was &#8220;not the Geithner he thought he knew.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the problems with big corporations are the same we see with big government.  Getting bigger initially results in better coordination, more efficient goal setting, and an economy of scale.  But as expansion continues, there eventually comes a point where those advantages are lost to a widening range of disconnections, as decision makers increasingly lose touch with far removed, on-the-ground realities.  The disconnect can become so complete that people calling the shots are totally insulated from the consequences of their own decisions.  Witness the current situation, where CEOs continue to receive outlandish compensation packages while the businesses they manage go down the tubes.  

&lt;strong&gt;When staggering life fortunes can be had in a year based on bonuses that reward short-term corporate profits, why would we expect a CEO to make decisions looking at the profitability and viability of that corporation 5 or 10 years down the road? &lt;/strong&gt;  

What&#039;s evolved during the last decade or so seems more like a &lt;em&gt;perversion of capitalism&lt;/em&gt; than  capitalism itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the problems with big corporations are the same we see with big government.  Getting bigger initially results in better coordination, more efficient goal setting, and an economy of scale.  But as expansion continues, there eventually comes a point where those advantages are lost to a widening range of disconnections, as decision makers increasingly lose touch with far removed, on-the-ground realities.  The disconnect can become so complete that people calling the shots are totally insulated from the consequences of their own decisions.  Witness the current situation, where CEOs continue to receive outlandish compensation packages while the businesses they manage go down the tubes.  </p>
<p><strong>When staggering life fortunes can be had in a year based on bonuses that reward short-term corporate profits, why would we expect a CEO to make decisions looking at the profitability and viability of that corporation 5 or 10 years down the road? </strong>  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s evolved during the last decade or so seems more like a <em>perversion of capitalism</em> than  capitalism itself.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Linda too</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'm a Linda too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, thaks LD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, thaks LD.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is because he leans forward and looks down while he speaks. This is usually taken as a cue that the individual is being dishonest or doesn&#039;t believe what he or she is saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is because he leans forward and looks down while he speaks. This is usually taken as a cue that the individual is being dishonest or doesn&#8217;t believe what he or she is saying.</p>
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