Out of Iraq and Afghanistan NOW.

When has the media last even mentioned Iraq or Afghanistan? Other than the families or friends of the people serving in those countries , who thinks about them. When they come home injured the medical treatment is not the best, even though many try. The Veteran’s hospitals are underfunded and understaffed.
This government and the people have to do better.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

I’m all for leaving but how about getting out of Japan, South Korea, Germany, Italy and maybe Guam? We can’t afford the empire people!

How about this…the american people start asking questions before they sign on to anything. We owe it to our servicemen, to our children, and to ourselves to stop excepting the first thing that rolls out of the mouth of politicians. Be it WMD or Change we can Believe in. Until we do that we will continue to buy into things are not worth what we spend on them.

That is a great idea, but how does it work in this day of the Government not answering (see Gibbs house on fire distraction) or flat out lies to get you to go along. The soldiers who come back need to lead us in a revolution. We got the wrong kind of change in 2008, we have to demand the right kind of change and that is that we will remind the Government that they work for us, not the other way around!!!

http://rethinkafghanistan.com/robertinafghanistan.php

Visit Robert Greewald’s site and view the video at the link above. This is a positive step in bringing out the truth about how the people in Afghanistan are suffering. If you donate $20 towards Robert’s new video project, you will have taken a positive step forward.

Thanks for your comments.

YOu don’t need Revolution, what we need to do is stop being cheap dates. Infact we could start with 2010 races. Keep a clear count on what your State level and national legislators voted for what was it something that benifited you or the people in your area or where they being self serving decietful jerk offs. The american people need to stop being cheap dates. Hold these fools accountable and not along party lines, but whether or not they are keeping promises staying honest, keep of record on how they voted on all bills not just the hand full that they vote for when election time rolls around agian. You start Putting some of these career politicians out of office. The problem with us is we don’t make our servants work for us. We end up working for them.

Aaron: You are correct. The U.S. has troops in 125 countries. For over 50 years, we have had troops in South Korea. We have over 25,000 troops there now.

By contrast, China has NO troops outside their country except for about 300 or so that went to Iraq.

It is very sad that most Americans don’t know this and have their heads in the sand. We should immediately withdraw nearly all of our troops from overseas.

I see that fruit cakes did not sell all that well during the holidays and there are a lot of them coming out for sale now.

Is okay fellows, when you want your to make your fruit cakes and you find there are no fruits or sugar anywhere to blend then you will be the first ones to scream, I want my fruit, I want my fruit, help me!

The greatest threat to our national security is the collapse of the Mexican State/rise of narco-terrorists. And yet the US is doing nothing to address the problem; the inept efforts of former Gov, now Homeland Security Director Janet Napolitano highlights the Obama administration’s cursory approach to tackling the issue. We should be pulling out of Iraq/Afghanistan and sending tens of thousands of troops to northern Mexico and the American southwest.

Yeah, lets teach the Mexicans a thing or two now.

Actually, you’ve bought into the military’s 4000+ baloney. The true figure of American deaths in Iraq should be measured since Papa Bush first invaded them in 1991. Try over 73,000 dead and over 1.6 million disabled. Far surpasses Vietnam. Here’s the link:

SHOCKING REPORT ON U.S. MILITARY DEATHS IN IRAQ

http://candidblogger.blogspot.com/2009/03/shocking-report-on-us-military-deaths.html

It seems like ages since the first gulf war, when I thought war is not an option !!! Retrospectively I stand by that, there were so many options instead of going to all these wars and supporting militias all around.

Afghanistan was a much better place before taliban was supported . Many could have gone to vacation there. President Hamid Karzai – may be inefficient – but he is a product of those days.

Okay, myself an outsider, but I agree with the assessment of lack of desirability of war. Some of these wars were even waged for supposedly human right reasons, as in Kosovo – That was the cheap war. The human rights of every person from Kosovo province is not preserved after the war.

After this low point in serbia, it was highly understandable the war in Afganisthan – that is where Bin Laden stayed. These days there is a flurry of news reports quoting british experience, that the taliban is undefeatable , and then deals with “moderate” taliban. This is what make one concerned.

It was not America’s war, though the saudis, and other allies supported taliban to a lot of extent. It was a war that belonged to Nazibullah, and later to leaders like Ahmed Shah massoud.

However, It should be easy for America to suffocate taliban supporters, let Bin Laden dies where he dies…If the taliban doesn’t get resources from international groups and Pakisthan – a big if- then it may be out in 2 decades. People mayn’t like it.

I see the worst case scenario in giving moral support to moderate taliban, doing deals with shady elements and to pour in millions of dollars to have influence over the region etc etc. If it is an American decision to stop the war there, then be at peace with a couple of nukes that will exist between – to quote the wild situation described in the post There will be an Islamic United State from Turkey to the Gulf, including Syria, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Oman. And why not? They comprise the population of those countries. It is besides the point that this concept of United religious state may exist – at best or if at all – only for a short period of history.

When this happens many will fight their individual wars. A family suffocated in middle of night will look up, and then decide whether to be chopped off, or succumb to taliban demands. Once in a few months, A village, an Ahmed Shah Massoud will fight, and they would go down. That would be another great war at a micro scale. But I would find it hopeless if a grand country, that stands for so much of imagination , would do shady deals with militant and terrorist strongmen for small conveniences.

There has been quite a few articles and false ones, on the heroism of taliban that easily confuses with Gandhar and Alexander eras. ( Alexandar had invaded that area in early historic times, however his attrition was near present day Punjab )

My wish is that whatever the decision, it should be well thought out and with certain openness in strategy.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/
index.php?title=U.S._military_bases_overseas

U.S. military bases overseas
From SourceWatch

U.S. military bases overseas: The U.S. has over 700 military bases in over 120 countries around the world. Chalmers Johnson, author of The Sorrows of Empire: Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic and NEMESIS: The Last Days of the American Republic, says that, “As distinct from other peoples, most Americans do not recognize — or do not want to recognize — that the United States dominates the world through its military power. Due to government secrecy, our citizens are often ignorant of the fact that our garrisons encircle the planet.”

Guam, officially the Territory of Guam, is an island in the western Pacific Ocean and is an organized, unincorporated insular area of the United States. It is one of five U.S. territories with an established civilian government. The island was taken over from Spain by the United States during the Spanish American War in 1898.

We own it, we don’t need to leave it.

Interesting post.

Did we ever get any of that oil???

By contrast, China has NO troops outside their country except for about 300 or so that went to Iraq.

So what you are implying is that China is a better country to live in.

Obama is increasing troop strength in Afghanistan specifically to try and finish the job against Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Might I remind you what these people did here. Why you are feeling bad about our soldiers who have lost their lives or who have been tramatically injured in war, what do you think the role of the military is?

There were over 3000 American lives lost in one day in the worst terror attack in history. the remnants of the people who did that, and would do it again, are still in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Based on what you are saying you would rather leave them alone and hope they don’t hurt us again. I don’t think that is what you really mean.

An unfortunate fact of human civilization is that war happens for a variety of reasons and military strength does prevent wars.

I’ve been howling for a long time that we have no business being in Afghanistan. Look at the awful Russian experience, and they finally withdrew. We are only risking our soldiers’ lives in a country where tribal wars have gone on for centuries and will for centuries after we finally leave. We can’t handle that terrain and we don’t understand the culture and the nature of the border wars. Why do we have to solve all the problems around the world militarily when we are in such trouble at home, and nobody respects our efforts anyway? Let’s get out now!

15 of the 19 that committed the 2001 attack on the U.S. had Saudi passports.

Should we have bombed Saudi Arabia?

Al Qaeda is a non-state organization recruiting members from all over the world, particularly countries in the Middle East.

Do you see a “Pan Arab” state or a an equivalent to European Union in the future?

The “House of Saud” is trouble.

I think there are 3 issues here
1)BO’s complete dishonesty when running for President with his anti-war platform that bamboozled so many young people.
2)Many countries through the centuries have learned the hard way that Afghanistan is a losing battle for invaders or do-gooders.
3)BO will be sending REAL men and women over there. Just last night my 31 year old co worker told me her husband was being recalled(he’s in the Marines) and will be headed to Afghanistan in August. This is not good, people.

From the US Department of Defense website.

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=53436

Pentagon’s answer to brain damage “get a good night’s rest. And why don’t we believe our government?

Thank you for bring this issue out in the open. It is just so sad to think of 350,000 people coming home with brain injuries. Keep up the good work!!

Those numbers seem bogus.
Gulf War I stats
http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/american%20war%20casualty.htm#t8

Total deaths in the theateTable 8. Persian Gulf War — Casualty Summary Desert Shield/Desert Storm
(as of June 15, 2004)

Total In-Theater Deaths 382
Total Non-Theater Deaths 1,590
Total Deaths 1,972
Wounded – Not Mortal 467

We don’t own it, we rule over it! We should either make these areas states or caste them off. This includes Puerto Rico!

I meant cast not caste. Sorry brain fart

While it’s all very well to say “get the military bases out of other countries,” does anyone realize that whole communities are built around these overseas military basis and what sort of unemployment could result with a drastic pull out. I personally know this as I have many relatives living overseas who have been dependent on these U.S. military bases for jobs – either actual or auxiliary. With the global economic meltdown I don’t think closing down any more jobs is the answer. My two cents worth.

Dear

This letter may come as a surprise to you but after much consideration to the good recommendation made concerning you, we were left with no options than to contact with you.

My name is Mr. Tony Greg, the first son of Late Dr. Greg Richmond. Erstwhile governor of the central Bank of Sierra-Leone who unfortunately was among the casualties of the political crisis, which savaged the nation for the period of ten Years.

Before his untimely death (via execution by the government) he informed us that while he was still the central bank Governor, he used his influence and position to lift some boxes containing$8.8 MILLION out of the country, this he deposited with a certain security company based in ACCRA GHANA. According to him, when depositing the boxes, he declared to the management of the company that the contents were his family valuables; this is to ensure the safety of the funds.

We have already arrived in Accra-Ghana because our country has somehow become un-habitable for us, we decided to solicit for assistance for the following reasons.

1.To transfer the funds in foreign account

2.Assist us to invest the funds/recycling

3.Act as our foreign partner and to also register all the investments in your name .

We will like to know more about you and also discuss how you will be compensated for your assistance .

We will in due time forward to you the documents covering the deposits for your perusal. As no one knows our present location, we implore you to treat this with utmost secrecy. We anticipate your most urgent response.
tony_greg202@yahoo.com
+233249221053
Regard,
Tony Greg

Good day,

How are you today my Friend? I hope by the Grace of the Almighty God, you are well as I am.

By brief introduction, I am Mr. Bernard Pimpong, I work with the Ghana oil pipe line construction project commission. I am the Personal Assistant to the contract award committee Chairman, in charge of allocating oil pipe line contracts. This commission was recently introduced after the recent discovery of crude oil in a very Commercial quantity, and was launched last year, when the Ex-president of United States Mr. Bush visited Ghana. The Ghana Oil Pipeline commission, are giving out multi-million dollar pipeline contracts to foreign investors, and with the aid of the united nations, 33% upfront of total contract sum will be given to the foreign contractors who are successful in getting approved for the contract.

Being the PA to the contract award committee chairman, I am very much in the position to include your name or company name as one of the nominated foreign contractors to secure a multi-million dollar contract. Immediately we get your name approved, you will be paid 33% upfront of the total contract sum. I will indeed be glad if you can immediately call me on my private direct line, So I can brief you in details what we both stand to benefit from this great business opportunity. I Will be expecting to hear from you today. Delay is not encouraged, as every top government official is interested in bringing their own foreign investors. I look forward to hear from you soon.

Best Regards,

Mr. Bernard Pimpong
Ghana Oil Co.
International government owned
PO Box 3183, Accra, Ghana
Direct Line: +233 54 250 9673
Email: bernard.pong@yahoo.com
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