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SNL’s Latest: CinC Experience

By SusanUnPC on March 9, 2008 at 10:36 AM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Saturday Night Live

Thanks for the video, C.S.! Another friend — thanks, D. — sent this cartoon the other day:

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  • IndyRobin

    Good Morning All,

    Susan, not sure if you have seen this yet. It brings to mind the quote by Kant:

    Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life.

    Enjoy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs1x1yEvMpg

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Oh my god. That is SO beautiful, Robin. We’ll have to feature that, won’t we. Thank you so much.

      Btw, and i forget where, but i read that Mary Steenburgen (sp?) has been a tremendous asset at campaign events. Clearly she is.

      • IndyRobin

        Susan,

        I cried like a baby. We’re SO lucky to be “of the weaker sex” :) to be able to embrace our emotions
        and celebrate the joy and sorrow of our full selfhood.

        I best stop. The guys are probbly gagging.!!

    • Sha

      That video is absolutely incredible. I saw it the other day and am sorry that it hasn’t gotten more publicity. The whole thing is terrific.

      And do I want to hug those two women!!!!! What wonderful role models they are – I hope that (if I live that long) I will have the grace, dignity and sharpness to be the same.

      • Kathleen

        Ditto. Thanks Robin..still sending waves of pride through my system.

    • Andy

      Very powerful; hadn’t seen it before.
      Thanks for sharing it IndyRobin.

    • Kathleen

      O.K. that video is the best thing I have seen all campaign season. I grinned from ear to ear, I cried! Those old gals are our nations saving grace.

      One message of why the 101 year old Lenore wants to vote for Hillary “because she’s a woman”

      The younger gal Jewel who is 91 gave one of the best explanations of why folks should vote for Hillary.

      I can’t get enough watching for the third time. Spread this one far and wide

      It takes a “Jewel” to recognize someone “polished like gold”

      Jewell “she had to climb the rough side of the mountain when it kind of gave her that tumble in life. I saw her take up her faith and the fruits of her divine guidance of courage, strength, and dignity, discipline, patience and climb that mountain with determination and God given strength she got to the top polished like gold.” Damn

      Honest men understand. They have watched their grandmothers, their mothers and their wives, sisters and women friends struggle. Honest men know!what Jewell and Lenore are talking about.

      Hillary should take Jewell and Lenore on the road with her and put them on her staff as consultants.

      • Sha

        They must both be invited and brought to her inauguration with seats of honor!

    • Iphie

      Wow. That’s an amazing bit of video. Something that wasn’t mentioned, and maybe it goes without saying, but those two women were born before women had the vote. Pretty amazing. On the other hand, what do they know? They only have a couple hundred years of life experience between the two of them. Pesky, that experience thing.

      • Kathleen

        great point

  • Gloria

    Isn’t this the most spot-on thing you ever saw?? You can see Republicans playing this thing over and over in all sorts of ways….The cold cream business is a bit much…however, Obama smoking and acting like chicken-little is outstanding!!

    You will hear Obama people saying that SNL is old hat…well, perhaps the producers are old enough to actually have some perception of history! They’re doing us a favor by exposing Obama’s Bush-like lack of experience. Wish they could delve deeper into his right-leaning domestic policies. But I’ll take their lampooning his foreign policy shortcomings, no problem!!

  • John

    The only problem with the SNL ad is- isn’t it supposed to be a spoof of a Hillary Clinton commercial? If so, why would a Clinton commercial show Hillary in an unflattering face cream mask? Is this SNL throwing a bone to the whiny Obamaphiles who feel put upon by the show?

    Other than that, spot on.

    • Kathleen

      Hey SNL has ripped on how the MSM had been treating the Obama campaign with kid gloves. What’s fair is fair. Fantastic spoof!

      Susan and all I continue talking with lots of young folks about their support for Obama. last evening for about two hours I sat around with my youngest daughters friends before they went uptown Athens and talke about the campaign. Quite a few are being really turned off by the sniping. If the Democrats are not careful they could lose these young folks participation.

      What are other people hearing from the younger people in their lives about this campaign?

      • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

        It’s not new. My daughter was 18 years old when Al Gore ran for president, and was appalled and disenchanted by the media (and other Democrats’) criticisms of him constantly … then she was shattered on election night by the see-saw in Florida and the ensuing fight over Florida.

        But she recovered. We all do.

        We all get upset. I was devastated when John Kerry and Dick Gephardt pulled their subterranean dirty tricks on Howard Dean just before Iowa. But I got over it, and even (yech) voted and campaigned for Kerry.

        It’s part of their necessary maturation: The realization that politics is difficult and divisive at times. Then they need to realize that Obama is not perfect…. which they will in good time.

        There’s something about this attitude about young people’s “precious” involvement that brings out the cynic in me. Most of those young people, especially from more privileged homes, have been coddled and catered to all their lives. (See the “60 Minutes” story a few weeks ago on the Next generation, and how their employers have to go to ridiculous lengths to keep them constantly happy.) They need a hard knock or two. They’ll be better for it.

        • Kathleen

          I disagree. People do not always “get over it”. They become apathetic and complacent when they feel they can not have an effect. You are wrong about the “we all do”. Millions of people have been uninvolved, many young people could have cared less until Obama. The Clintons have not moved them. It is a fact that Obama is inspiring them you need to go see this in person Susan there is a very serious Obama phenomena going on and it is not all hollow.

          If Obama and Hillary do not join forces we will lose many of these young people, they will not just “get over it” How do you think we ended up with millions not voting?

          • John

            what makes it especially dangerous is that many of these young people- I daresay the great majority of them- are for Obama because he’s Obama. They couldnt name his positions on any vital issue of the day if you held a gun to their heads. So once Obama is out of the scene, I expect a lot of them to go look for the next flashy toy under the tree.

            I also worry about the Obama supporters who decide that if they can’t get what they want, they simply won’t play. They’ll take their ball and go home, as it were. And they’ll spend the next twenty years using Obama’s failure as an excuse to turn off on politics. We’ve heard this many times before- “I’m just not EXCITED about politics anymore, so I don’t care.” Such people often consider themselves more “ideologically pure” than the rest of us – like the idiots who proudly email Lou Dobbs to announce they are switching their party registration to “Independent.”

            Obama is so not worth such devotion. He’s getting it though. Which is why Hillary will probably have to hand him the Vice Presidency, though Wesley Clark would be a vastly better, more responsible choice.

        • Kathleen

          And it’s not just young people who have been complacent and apathetic. Millions of the boomers have been uninvolved for years “too comfortable” too discouraged too self consumed.

          Susan this attitude of “just get over it” is rather arrogant and dismissive of Obama’s ability to pull many people in who have been uninvolved. The Democratic party needs to embrace these voters “not coddle them” and give them reasons to believe and be involved.

          Harness that Obama force combine it with Clintons experience and grit. Don’t dismiss it!

          • Simon

            Susan this attitude of “just get over it” is rather arrogant and dismissive of Obama’s ability to pull many people in who have been uninvolved.

            He’s a criminal Kathleen, if the FBI or the CIA or Fitzgerald have marked him as involved with the worst of Auchi, or the mafia, he isn’t a leader, he enables terrorists who murder Americans, and others, including those Palestinians you purport to care about.

            (Illegal arms trading, among other crimes, involvement in the oil for food scam, depriving millions of Iraqis of food, and basic medicine, this is the man Obama is associating with, taking money from, perhaps you should read up on Auchi, the pentagon put out a very nice paper…)

            Why do you refuse to acknowledge this?

            I have yet to see you acknowledge this, despite the information being sourced everywhere on the Internet.

            Obama doesnt’ become clean just because we wish it so.

            The democrats need to dump him, he is not a savior. More kids will be less inclined to vote when they find how he lied, how they were betrayed.

            This is what you really should be afraid of…

          • John

            A BIG part of politics involves “just getting over it.” Every contest has winners and losers. My first choice for President in 1988 was Al Gore. In 1992 it was Bob Kerrey. In 2004 it was Howard Dean. Each time, I had to “get over it” and support my party’s candidate because the stakes were too high not to.

            I suspect that a HELL of a lot of Obama supporters don’t really care that much about politics and will completely lose interest if he is not the nominee. It might happen anyway- younger voters don’t exactly have a reputation for knocking people down to get to the polls on election day. The political graveyard is filled with candidates who counted on a big turnout among young people.

        • Kathleen

          This younger generation has been witness to our media and the American public obsessing about a blow job, they have been witness to a Supreme Court Judicial Coup. They have been witness to an unnecessary war where millions have been killed, injured and displaced (hey the majority of boomers and the rest of Americans do not want to think about this). Our invasion of Iraq and the subsequent disaster is flat out racist. Most Americans could give a rats ass about how the Iraqi people have had their lives destroyed by our illegal invasion of their country.

          I want to witness this youth movement harnessed by the Democratic party not dismissed!

          What are people hearing from the young people in their lives?

          • Simon

            What are people hearing from the young people in their lives?

            I agree with your post 100 per cent.

            But don’t attribute nobility to young people who are less worthy than their parents, be careful not to romanticize those who are intolerant of Clinton supporters, pushing a candidate who is a danger to national security, who are supporting Obama for the wrong reasons.

            Some kids are great, those kids will prevail.

            Others are garbage now, and will be in 20 years, also.

            Little brown shirts, the Reagan youth, the Obama youth, grow into old brownshirts.

            • Kathleen

              Not “nobility” just do not want them written off!

              • alexei

                No one is writing them off! But, people have to have the resolve to soldier on if their candidate doesn’t make the grade. Young people have to realize what politics and service mean (and I don’t mean that idealism doesn’t have a place, just need to have realistic expectations).

                I can never support Obama for many reasons and one is that he is going to severely disenchant the youth. He is not who they think he is nor can any politician be; he has run the most cynical campaign – yes, even worse than GW Bush’s. I hope that no one becomes too disillusioned with him that they drop out of the political arena.

                It is cool to see the excitement and enthusiasm. This is a great thing for our Country and the Democratic Party to keep young people involved in civic affairs and politics. I do believe that the Milleniums will stay involved, and I believe that they will change our path for the better. But, not with Obama.

            • John

              I totally agree with your posts. Right now, I think a whole lot of Obama “supporters” are just riding the tide of what’s Cool Right Now. Their ridiculous hero worship of a guy who has ZERO accomplishments on his record doesn’t inspire me to believe these particular children are our future.

          • Mike Howell

            Kathleen –

            I’m hearing from some fine young people that they are voting for Hillary Clinton because they feel that Barack Obama is morally weak for doing drugs when he was their age.

        • Simon

          There’s something about this attitude about young people’s “precious” involvement that brings out the cynic in me

          I was on the opposite end of the Reagan youth in the 80′s, I know exactly what you mean.

          Everyone around me was GLORIFYING Reagan, all I saw were lies, and the dismantling of the US social, and political infrastructure.

          I said as much, and it’s lonely being the only democrat in town.

          Anyway, Reagan led to this stench we’re dealing with today, long term national security concerns and failures we’re only now beginning to address, a failed US infrastructure that must now be rebuilt due to the selfishness and shortsightedness of Reagan’s policies.

          I have to vehemently disagree with Smilin Jim’s assessment of republican skills. Republicans are where they are because an obsequious press didn’t ask questions. Republicans destroyed the systems that protected the political infrastructure, keeping it balanced, they destroy, but they can’t defend, or persevere. That’s not brilliant, that’s a terrorist with an IED.

          BFD.
          And Reagn and USSR?

          It took 5 admisntrations to defeat the Russians, and it was Carter who initiated the Afgahn resistance, which broke the Russians, militarily and economically, in the late 80′s.

          • Simon

            BTW, I know people say nasty things about her, but I think Nancy Reagan really tempered the assault Reagan’s people would have launched against this country, in terms of implementing it’s political ideology, at the expense of the Constitution.

            It would have been Cheney, but 30 years earlier.

            Apparently, she was very instrumental in getting Reagan to address AIDS, and she wasn’t afraid to stand up to the more aggressive entities in Regan’s administration.

            Again, in some ways she was a forerunner to Hillary Clinton as first lady, and I mean that as a complement.

            I was with my Mom grocery shopping, one time, in my teens, or very early twenties, and, while waiting in the checkout line, we read the headline on the national enquirer ” Patti Reagan says Nancy is not perfect.”

            And my Mom turned to me and said ” there are no perfect children, either.”

            And that punctured my bubble like nothing else.

            Oh, none of us is perfect. Go figure.

          • Mike Howell

            Reagan got rid of the Fairness Doctrine too.

        • mimi

          I agree Susan, people get over it. Where would I be if I hadn’t gotten over Kennedy being assassinated when I was in junior high school, followed by King then RFK on top of that? Life is not sweet to you all of the time and I feel adults and parents are doing young people a real disservice in coddling them ad nauseum.

          But more important, what will happen when Obama finally reveals his true self to to them? What about their disappointment then?

          You just cannot live life in a bubble. The sooner kids understand that, the better. And this is even more true when it comes to politics. Better they should focus on the privilege of democracy and the US Constitution and how great it is to be an American in spite of all the problems and imperfections and how it doesn’t get any better by not particiapting in it especially on a local and state level where you have more and immediate access.

          But Joan Rivers says it better and simpler: GROW UP!!!!

    • Andy

      John, I thought that at first as well; but the message that Obama is a neophyte who hasn’t a clue of foreign affairs and just keeps repeating what HRC says was so well depicted here that it had me LOL. All in all it was for HRC: SNL’s meesage at heart was sounding an alarm bell to people about “Obama’s preparation in foreign policy being that of Bush’s”(none).
      The line about calling the DNC with the message
      “we *change* our minds” was hilarious.

  • campskunk

    “al sharpton – not my best appointment” LMAO – that was hilarious!

  • IndyRobin

    Here is a direct quote from Loran Michaels about this years SNL skits. Should put the Bots in their political place

    “Our job is, whoever is in power, we’re opposed,” said Lorne Michaels, the show’s longtime executive producer. “And Jim’s piece would not have worked if the audience didn’t see some element of truth in it.”

    yeah baby.

  • IndyRobin

    Found this on the net. It is indictive of the MSM’s approach to “interviewing” BO

    In Obama Interview ABC’s Gibson Imitates Saturday Night Live?

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/03/07/obama-interview-abcs-gibson-imitates-saturday-night-live

    • Mike Howell

      IndyRobin –

      Pathetic isn’t it?! A free press was designed to protect the electorate not deceive it.

  • http://noquartersusa.net/blog/2008/03/09/snls-latest-coc-experience?#more-1753 Peter

    Clinton being mocked for Bill being absent at 3:00 am is nothing compared to Obama being mocked for throwing a tantrum, being naive and weak. After I finished laughing (twice), it was just painful to watch anymore. They just showed this on Fox. Ouch.

  • Kathleen

    McCain must love that this Rezko, Nafta issue is dominating the media. Took the spotlight off of his New York Times Lobbyist scandal.

    Where did that issue go? Oh yeah the spotlight has been on the Rezko..Naftagate Democratic scramble.

    The Democrats need to turn that spotlight back around on the McCain lobbyist hanky panky. Pivot fucking Pivot all ready.

    When will we hear one or both Hillary and Obama say NO LOBBYIST IN MY ADMINISTRATION. Give McCain a kick for his lobbyist hanky panky. Take their chances to win over the top!

    • Simon

      Kathleen,

      McCain is also connected to this.

      We can’t excuse criminality for political expedience.

      Obama would be a horror for this country, far worse than Bush.

      • Mike Howell

        Thank you for saying it so well Simon!

  • http://noquartersusa.net/blog/2008/03/09/snls-latest-coc-experience/#more-1753 Peter

    I get they were trying to mock Clinton for going after Obama, but Obama came off worse. After I finished laughing (twice) I couldn’t watch anymore. They have him throwing a tantrum, getting mad, being naive and weak. Fox just played it. (OK, it was stil a little funny.) Ouch. The guy can’t get a break in the media. I’m sure it will change before Penn as they try to give him a push, but I hope media will keep on him.

    • http://noquartersusa.net/blog/2008/03/09/snls-latest-coc-experience/#comment-154966 Peter

      Excuse the double post. My machine locked up and I didn’t think it went through.

    • mimi

      “The guy can’t get a break in the media.”

      HUH?????

      That’s all the media has been giving this guy. That was the reason Tina Fey kicked things off on SNL.

      This is what has me so absolutely pissed with Obama and his fans. Did they think the “Days of Wine and Roses” was going to last forever?

      You should look back on how SNL hammered Bill Clinton over the Lewinsky scandal and his philandering back in the 90s. Please Obamatons grow the fuck up!

  • http://thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com/ Mary Jo Kopechne

    I’m so glad these two are on youtube. I saw the Townhall meeting but couldn’t even begin to describe the story of these two woman to my friends. Thanks for adding it!

  • Kathleen

    some other folks opinions of Obama
    http://corner.nationalreview.com/

  • Kathleen

    Oh yeah the McCain campaign loves that the spotlight is off McCains lobbyist hanky panky
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles
    /000/000/014/855klmhz.asp

    A must read. Know thy enemy …read
    The Politics of a Failed Presidency
    How John McCain and the Republican party should deal
    with the Bush record.
    by Jeffrey Bell
    03/17/2008, Volume 013, Issue 26
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/855klmhz.asp

  • Mr.Murder

    WASHINGTON – “Speaking on behalf of the Democratic Party, an Iraq combat veteran said Saturday that apparent GOP nominee John McCain should not win the presidential election because he would continue the war in Iraq.”

    Ouch.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080309/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_mccain;_ylt=AtA_khXNHabNV4y9nKzpfzCWwvIE

  • Sha

    Did you see that – according to the LATimes – the DNC has cancelled rooms for the Mihhigan delegation – and never made any reservations for Florida.

    Those delegates have the right to be in Denver in August, seated or not.

    Kiss Michigan and Florida GOOD BYE!

  • Kathleen

    We have all ready heard McCain and other Republicans and some Democrats repeating the ” that’s in the past, we need to move on. That is irrelevant now” spin. We are going to hear this theme song a great deal from the Republicans who do not want the American people to look at the horrendous and criminal record of the Bush administration and their new representative McCain or as some will be calling him “McBush”.

    We need to be thinking about where the McCain team
    will be going. We need to push Obama Clinton..Clinton Obama towards focusing on not only where we want this nation to go…but holding those responsible for driving our nation into such disastrous and destructive foreign policy ACCOUNTABLE. We need to push Clinton and Obama to commit to ACCOUNTABILITY in regard to false prewar intelligence, wiretapping, undermining our justice system, slow response to Katrina, record breaking oil profits, etc etc.

    I hope their themes will be LOOKING TO THE FUTURE ON REAL CHANGE AND AT THE SAME TIME HOLDING THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MESS WE ARE IN ACCOUNTABLE.

    Most of us have brought up our children teaching them that one has to pay a price for serious mistakes, especially our mistakes that have dire consequences on others. That these two candidates will simply demand that our leaders answer to the same standards that most Americans try like hell to live up to. Will the same standards that most Americans abide by and our required to abide by by our state and federal laws apply to our leaders? Or will the same two standard system continue to apply to the Bush administration criminals/

    ACCOUNTABILITY should be their theme along with HOPE. We can as a nation strive to focus on both.

    an article over at National Review that is a must read. A know thy enemy read.
    The Politics of a Failed Presidency
    How John McCain and the Republican party should deal with the Bush record.
    by Jeffrey Bell
    03/17/2008, Volume 013, Issue 26

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/857bstgi.asp

    • susanunpc

      Kathleen, your concerns are valid, and your anxiety is palpable. But I have no worries that this will tear the party asunder.

      For one thing, it is Obama’s minions who are spreading the message that this will destroy the Democratic party. Why?

      Because they want to shut down any serious scrutiny and debate about Obama’s qualifications to be president.

      I am listening to MTP, and Daschle just trotted out the “this’ll hurt the party” meme because he was LOSING THE ARGUMENT at hand — and had run out of his poor arguments — on the inherent unfairness of caucuses versus absentee ballots (re Michigan, etc.).

      It’s a “last recourse” argument. We shouldn’t fall for it. The party will be fine in no time.

      When you worry about this — and write so many comments about it — I hope you’ll consider why people are delivering that message to you, Ask what their motives are. They’re trying to get you and others to shut down, and accept what they want. And there is much history to counter their FEARMONGERING about the party and our ability to beat McCain. The party usually comes together. It did so in almost all past election cycles.

      For one thing, the vast majority of Democrats — very busy people who work, have children, and homes to care for — do not obsess about all this like we do on the blogs, and they’ll go along with the final decision … although I predict that many not stitched tightly to the party will cross over and vote for McCain in November, particularly if Obama is the nominee.

      We have to vet our candidates, much as you did in your extremely careful assessments and studies of both Clinton and Obama before you voted last week in Ohio.

      I’ve rarely met anyone as impressive as you in looking at every issue, and attending so many campaign rallies.

      There is NOTHING written here at NoQuarter that isn’t known widely by the Republicans and conservative bloggers. And they probably know a lot more than we, and will use all of it if he is the nominee. We need to inform people now, before it is too late. People will get it, sooner or later. Preferably sooner.

      • Andy

        I couldn’t agree more with what Susan writes. I wrote a very strong letter today to Sen. J. Kerry to stop this nonsense. You know his seat is being contested in MA.

        Kathleen; ask yourself: why do they really want to abortthe democratic primary proceess? About 27M people have voted (a record by any measure) and each candiadte has about 50% of the popular vote. That is unbelievable. What ae the Obama surrogates so afraid of?

        Let the people choose and then after June 1st; all the surrogates, superdelegates and yo name it will have enough time to make a sound decision based on what the whole country has said and what is the best candidate for the GE.

        I hear a lot about Obama’s 50 state strategy vs. Clinton’s whatever. But is seems he doesn’t really want all 50 states to have a say….

        The party will be fine. Nothing that is said now is new nor will be not said (albeit 1000 times worse) by McCain in the GE campaign.

        The only thing it is really hurts are
        comments like those by Obama “My supporters will not support Sen. Clinton but her supporters will support me”.

        That is an open call to his supporters for a boycott should he not win the nomination.

        • mimi

          The only thing it is really hurts are
          comments like those by Obama “My supporters will not support Sen. Clinton but her supporters will support me”.

          That is an open call to his supporters for a boycott should he not win the nomination.

          And get this, I first heard comments like this before the Iowa Caucuses. When Bill Clinton’s comments were misquoted bye Michelle Obama and circulated by the MSM fueling AA outrage, then these comments really took on steam. And after the media timidly corrected the misquote, now in the AA community many don’t even know this and when presented with the evidence they simply don’t care about the truth.

          So who started this? Obama has taken the Democratic Party hostage and someone needs to call him on it.

  • Kathleen

    good sign
    Foster wins Hastert’s seat.

    Bill Foster — a Democratic candidate who is a physicist — defeated Republican dairy owner Jim Oberweis in a special election to claim the Illinois congressional seat of former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R). During a recent TV appearance, Foster said he would be a ”good vote in Congress to change President Bush’s policy” on Iraq. Oberweis contended the troop surge there was working, saying: ”Things are getting better in Iraq.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/08/foster-wins-hasterts-seat/

  • Kathleen

    Richard Clarke, Zellikow and Condi Rice on 9/11
    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/07/david-kay-condi-rice/

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Can you use the open thread? Thank you.

  • Mostest

    “Polished Like Gold”

    That should be on the banner at Hillary’s inauguration.

  • http://judithweingarten.blogspot.com judith weingarten

    I just saw it and put it on my blog

    href= “http://judithweingarten.blogspot.com/2008/03/polished-like-zenobias-gold.html”> Empress of the East

    And note, my dear fellow Democrats, the applause for the Afro-American candidate. Would Obama’s team reciprocate?

  • Pieter B

    OK, what the hell were Olbermann and Robinson smoking tonight that they thought Hillary would be mad at the SNL folks for that bit? Talk about not seeing the substance for being dazzled by the surface . . .