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		<title>By: LD</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/18139/kangaroo-court-recommended-reading/#comment-1161463</link>
		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respectfully disagree. Goldman would certainly have taken a hit if AIG failed but there are very few people who think Goldman was going down. 

Merrill, yes...Morgan Stanley, maybe...Goldman, no...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respectfully disagree. Goldman would certainly have taken a hit if AIG failed but there are very few people who think Goldman was going down. </p>
<p>Merrill, yes&#8230;Morgan Stanley, maybe&#8230;Goldman, no&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JRD</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/18139/kangaroo-court-recommended-reading/#comment-1161434</link>
		<dc:creator>JRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gire YOU ARE 100% correct!

The real story being missed here is Goldman.

GOLDMAN WAS GOING DOWN! And they should have been allowed to fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gire YOU ARE 100% correct!</p>
<p>The real story being missed here is Goldman.</p>
<p>GOLDMAN WAS GOING DOWN! And they should have been allowed to fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Snickers</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/18139/kangaroo-court-recommended-reading/#comment-1161391</link>
		<dc:creator>Snickers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious, why is it okay to break the union contract the automakers had with their employees (no outrage here or anywhere as far as I can see) but there is monumental outrage at breaking contracts with AIG perpetrators?  
How about the same outrage for both of these situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious, why is it okay to break the union contract the automakers had with their employees (no outrage here or anywhere as far as I can see) but there is monumental outrage at breaking contracts with AIG perpetrators?<br />
How about the same outrage for both of these situations.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyn</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/18139/kangaroo-court-recommended-reading/#comment-1161237</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ITs a shame then when McCain and company where saying a couple years ago that Fannie and Freddie needed regulated the DEMs blocked it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ITs a shame then when McCain and company where saying a couple years ago that Fannie and Freddie needed regulated the DEMs blocked it</p>
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		<title>By: andrew191</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/18139/kangaroo-court-recommended-reading/#comment-1161223</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew191</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All ball players should be taxed 99% of any amount over 500 K that they earn anually. They essentially produce nothing, their salaries drive op the cost of game tickets to the point that common shlubs like me can&#039;t take my kids to a ball game for less than $150 when you add up parking, tickets, concessions, and for me, ferry tickets. And besides, why do they need so much to get by on? Bawahaha!

The bill the Senate passed today to punish innocent people would have OUTRAGED 90% of Americans not too long ago. But the increasingly ignorant masses in this dissolving Republic have consumed a fatal helping of egalitarian shit sandwiches washed down with generous quantities of class warfare Kool-Aid. During the primaries Obama made very clear that this was his ideal. He was asked why he wanted to raise capital gains taxes when it has been shown that doing so actually reduces revenue. His answer was that it makes things fair to the lower classes. WTF!!! 

Get your pitchforks and torches out , Congress is leading the charge to drag the new aristocracy out of their ivory towers. I hope the envious and resentful clowns driving this dissaster will eventually have an epiphany when we&#039;re all reduced to eating dirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All ball players should be taxed 99% of any amount over 500 K that they earn anually. They essentially produce nothing, their salaries drive op the cost of game tickets to the point that common shlubs like me can&#8217;t take my kids to a ball game for less than $150 when you add up parking, tickets, concessions, and for me, ferry tickets. And besides, why do they need so much to get by on? Bawahaha!</p>
<p>The bill the Senate passed today to punish innocent people would have OUTRAGED 90% of Americans not too long ago. But the increasingly ignorant masses in this dissolving Republic have consumed a fatal helping of egalitarian shit sandwiches washed down with generous quantities of class warfare Kool-Aid. During the primaries Obama made very clear that this was his ideal. He was asked why he wanted to raise capital gains taxes when it has been shown that doing so actually reduces revenue. His answer was that it makes things fair to the lower classes. WTF!!! </p>
<p>Get your pitchforks and torches out , Congress is leading the charge to drag the new aristocracy out of their ivory towers. I hope the envious and resentful clowns driving this dissaster will eventually have an epiphany when we&#8217;re all reduced to eating dirt.</p>
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		<title>By: gire</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/18139/kangaroo-court-recommended-reading/#comment-1161193</link>
		<dc:creator>gire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your general comment that the kangaroo court is in session.  However, make no mistake that several of the banks you listed including Goldman needed and got bailout money.  The AIG bailout was a conduit to shoring up the capital of Goldman and others.  They act they put up about not needing the money was just that an act.  The reason Goldman is converting to a bank holding company is acquire the right to be backstopped by the fed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your general comment that the kangaroo court is in session.  However, make no mistake that several of the banks you listed including Goldman needed and got bailout money.  The AIG bailout was a conduit to shoring up the capital of Goldman and others.  They act they put up about not needing the money was just that an act.  The reason Goldman is converting to a bank holding company is acquire the right to be backstopped by the fed.</p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tek...you obviously do not recall that Paulson compelled them to take it. 

This is common knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tek&#8230;you obviously do not recall that Paulson compelled them to take it. </p>
<p>This is common knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/18139/kangaroo-court-recommended-reading/#comment-1161179</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There is so much fabricated outrage leading ro reckless finger pointing leading to shifting stories and atop this is either the most clueless President in history or the next Nixon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll go along with clueless. Nixon was a bad man but not half bad as president. That One is both a bad man and will be an even worse president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is so much fabricated outrage leading ro reckless finger pointing leading to shifting stories and atop this is either the most clueless President in history or the next Nixon.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll go along with clueless. Nixon was a bad man but not half bad as president. That One is both a bad man and will be an even worse president.</p>
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		<title>By: termo</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/18139/kangaroo-court-recommended-reading/#comment-1161177</link>
		<dc:creator>termo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;President Barack Obama has told Jay Leno he was stunned when he learned of the bonuses that bailed-out insurance giant AIG was paying its employees.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

You know the old expression that came out of the Watergate scandel, &lt;em&gt;&quot;it&#039;s not the crime that gets &#039;em, it&#039;s the coverup of the crime that does it.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

There is so much fabricated outrage leading ro reckless finger pointing leading to shifting stories and atop this is either the most clueless President in history or the next Nixon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>&#8220;President Barack Obama has told Jay Leno he was stunned when he learned of the bonuses that bailed-out insurance giant AIG was paying its employees.&#8221;</strong></em></p>
<p>You know the old expression that came out of the Watergate scandel, <em>&#8220;it&#8217;s not the crime that gets &#8216;em, it&#8217;s the coverup of the crime that does it.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>There is so much fabricated outrage leading ro reckless finger pointing leading to shifting stories and atop this is either the most clueless President in history or the next Nixon.</p>
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		<title>By: termo</title>
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		<dc:creator>termo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the legislation they enacted is going to be found to be unconstitutional.

You cannot enact legislation that negates an already executed and legally binding contract that has not been breached.

You cannot enact legislation that uses the tax code to punish a select group of people for purely political purposes.

And you cannot start forcing employees (who broke no laws and were acting to fulfill their contract) to hire attorneys to defend themselves against an unruly and irresponsible group of legislators who, frankly, deperately need to be investigated themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the legislation they enacted is going to be found to be unconstitutional.</p>
<p>You cannot enact legislation that negates an already executed and legally binding contract that has not been breached.</p>
<p>You cannot enact legislation that uses the tax code to punish a select group of people for purely political purposes.</p>
<p>And you cannot start forcing employees (who broke no laws and were acting to fulfill their contract) to hire attorneys to defend themselves against an unruly and irresponsible group of legislators who, frankly, deperately need to be investigated themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: tek</title>
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		<dc:creator>tek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>adagio:  Do you not understand that corporations are so powerful and all-pervasive that if they go under then lots of very responsible, very moral upstanding working people will lose everything?  This is where NeoConservatism breaks down.  You people don&#039;t want regulation because Republicans tell you regulation is a bad thing.  You don&#039;t realize that the people who run the financial sector have knowledge that the average American and even a lot of leaders in the government don&#039;t really understand.  They hold of the fate of us all in their hands.  So, they MUST be regulated in order to keep them from destroying the country and the world.  Because all the regulations were lifted in the past 8 years, we are now seeing a meltdown of the global economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>adagio:  Do you not understand that corporations are so powerful and all-pervasive that if they go under then lots of very responsible, very moral upstanding working people will lose everything?  This is where NeoConservatism breaks down.  You people don&#8217;t want regulation because Republicans tell you regulation is a bad thing.  You don&#8217;t realize that the people who run the financial sector have knowledge that the average American and even a lot of leaders in the government don&#8217;t really understand.  They hold of the fate of us all in their hands.  So, they MUST be regulated in order to keep them from destroying the country and the world.  Because all the regulations were lifted in the past 8 years, we are now seeing a meltdown of the global economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mar. 19, 2009 - 8:15 PM EST
  TeamPOLITICO: Mar. 19, 2009 - 6:56 PM EST  

&lt;strong&gt;Geithner said he did all he could legally to stop the bonuses – but also hinted strongly that he actually knew something about the bonuses earlier than previously disclosed.

 

Geithner said that he learn the “full scale and scope” of the AIG issue on March 10, as the White House disclosed this week. But when pressed as to whether that was the first time he became aware AIG officials would get bonuses, he repeated that it was the first time he learned of the full scope of the payments.&lt;/strong&gt;

 

“And as soon as I heard about the full scale of these things, we moved very actively to explore every possible avenue — legal avenue to address this problem, to make sure that, again, the assistance we were providing was not going to unduly benefit these people,” Geithner said, according to a transcript provided by CNN.

 

&lt;em&gt;So this scandal now turns on what the definition of &quot;full&quot; is............sad.   Of course Geitner knew, this whole outrage week by the Adminstration starting on Saturday afternoon with choice leaks to the NYT is a Axelrod counterspin construction.  EVERYONE in the business and media world knew of the AIG Exec bonuses from the 10Q&#039;s in Nov 08 and the CNN/Bloomberg coverage of AIG bonuses to the Financial Products Division in Jan 09:&lt;/em&gt;

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=auhzcUg60VZA&amp;refer=home

&lt;strong&gt;AIG Said to Offer $1 Billion in Retention to Workers (Update1)

By Hugh Son

Jan. 28 (Bloomberg) -- American International Group Inc., the insurer saved from collapse last year by government money, may have committed more than $1 billion to employees to keep them from leaving the company.

About 400 workers at New York-based AIG’s financial products unit may get $450 million in two installments, said two people familiar with the situation who declined to be identified because the plan is confidential. That is in addition to about $619 million in retention pay going to 4,200 executives and employees at subsidiaries including life insurance.
&lt;/strong&gt;
AIG is trying to hold onto employees while it sells businesses to repay a government loan. The insurer took a federal bailout in September after the financial-products unit, which sold credit-default swaps that plunged in value amid the housing market collapse, caused about $34 billion in writedowns. AIG said the program was disclosed before the government rescue, which is now valued at $150 billion.

“I was extremely disappointed -- but not surprised -- to learn that AIG will be awarding bonuses to the very division that drove the company into the ground,” said Representative Elijah Cummings, a member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, in an e-mail. AIG shouldn’t be awarding “millions of unmerited dollars to employees while at the same time begging the U.S. government for financial life support.”

The fact that &quot;Ali&quot; at CNN didnt press Geitner with quotes from HIS OWN NETWORK and Bloomberg from Jan 09 is a disgrace.

&lt;em&gt;And as a final bonus for you lefties out there, here&#039;s a report from the AP re Obama&#039;s &quot;outrage&quot; when he learned &quot;last week&quot; about the AIG bonuses...what, the President and Leader of the Free World doesnt watch CNN or read Bloomberg, nor does any of the hundreds of economic analysts and advisors who work for him? This is pure Axelrod counterspin lies.&lt;/em&gt;

BURBANK, Calif. – &lt;strong&gt;President Barack Obama has told Jay Leno he was stunned when he learned of the bonuses that bailed-out insurance giant AIG was paying its employees.

Obama told &quot;The Tonight Show&quot; host the payments raise moral end ethical problems — and the administration&#039;s going to do everything it can to get them back.

But Obama added the bigger problem is the culture that allowed traders to claim them.&lt;/strong&gt; He says that&#039;s got to change if the economy is to recover.

According to NBC, Obama was the first sitting president ever to appear on &quot;The Tonight Show.&quot; He&#039;d already appeared twice as a candidate. already appeared twice as a candidate.

In his opening monologue, Leno lots of people were surprised Obama would come on NBC — figuring he&#039;d be tired of big companies on the brink of disaster with a bunch of overpaid executives.

Leno also joked about the dismal state of the economy, saying it&#039;s so bad Obama flew to California on Southwest Airways — making nine stops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mar. 19, 2009 &#8211; 8:15 PM EST<br />
  TeamPOLITICO: Mar. 19, 2009 &#8211; 6:56 PM EST  </p>
<p><strong>Geithner said he did all he could legally to stop the bonuses – but also hinted strongly that he actually knew something about the bonuses earlier than previously disclosed.</p>
<p>Geithner said that he learn the “full scale and scope” of the AIG issue on March 10, as the White House disclosed this week. But when pressed as to whether that was the first time he became aware AIG officials would get bonuses, he repeated that it was the first time he learned of the full scope of the payments.</strong></p>
<p>“And as soon as I heard about the full scale of these things, we moved very actively to explore every possible avenue — legal avenue to address this problem, to make sure that, again, the assistance we were providing was not going to unduly benefit these people,” Geithner said, according to a transcript provided by CNN.</p>
<p><em>So this scandal now turns on what the definition of &#8220;full&#8221; is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;sad.   Of course Geitner knew, this whole outrage week by the Adminstration starting on Saturday afternoon with choice leaks to the NYT is a Axelrod counterspin construction.  EVERYONE in the business and media world knew of the AIG Exec bonuses from the 10Q&#8217;s in Nov 08 and the CNN/Bloomberg coverage of AIG bonuses to the Financial Products Division in Jan 09:</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=auhzcUg60VZA&#038;refer=home" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=auhzcUg60VZA&#038;refer=home</a></p>
<p><strong>AIG Said to Offer $1 Billion in Retention to Workers (Update1)</p>
<p>By Hugh Son</p>
<p>Jan. 28 (Bloomberg) &#8212; American International Group Inc., the insurer saved from collapse last year by government money, may have committed more than $1 billion to employees to keep them from leaving the company.</p>
<p>About 400 workers at New York-based AIG’s financial products unit may get $450 million in two installments, said two people familiar with the situation who declined to be identified because the plan is confidential. That is in addition to about $619 million in retention pay going to 4,200 executives and employees at subsidiaries including life insurance.<br />
</strong><br />
AIG is trying to hold onto employees while it sells businesses to repay a government loan. The insurer took a federal bailout in September after the financial-products unit, which sold credit-default swaps that plunged in value amid the housing market collapse, caused about $34 billion in writedowns. AIG said the program was disclosed before the government rescue, which is now valued at $150 billion.</p>
<p>“I was extremely disappointed &#8212; but not surprised &#8212; to learn that AIG will be awarding bonuses to the very division that drove the company into the ground,” said Representative Elijah Cummings, a member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, in an e-mail. AIG shouldn’t be awarding “millions of unmerited dollars to employees while at the same time begging the U.S. government for financial life support.”</p>
<p>The fact that &#8220;Ali&#8221; at CNN didnt press Geitner with quotes from HIS OWN NETWORK and Bloomberg from Jan 09 is a disgrace.</p>
<p><em>And as a final bonus for you lefties out there, here&#8217;s a report from the AP re Obama&#8217;s &#8220;outrage&#8221; when he learned &#8220;last week&#8221; about the AIG bonuses&#8230;what, the President and Leader of the Free World doesnt watch CNN or read Bloomberg, nor does any of the hundreds of economic analysts and advisors who work for him? This is pure Axelrod counterspin lies.</em></p>
<p>BURBANK, Calif. – <strong>President Barack Obama has told Jay Leno he was stunned when he learned of the bonuses that bailed-out insurance giant AIG was paying its employees.</p>
<p>Obama told &#8220;The Tonight Show&#8221; host the payments raise moral end ethical problems — and the administration&#8217;s going to do everything it can to get them back.</p>
<p>But Obama added the bigger problem is the culture that allowed traders to claim them.</strong> He says that&#8217;s got to change if the economy is to recover.</p>
<p>According to NBC, Obama was the first sitting president ever to appear on &#8220;The Tonight Show.&#8221; He&#8217;d already appeared twice as a candidate. already appeared twice as a candidate.</p>
<p>In his opening monologue, Leno lots of people were surprised Obama would come on NBC — figuring he&#8217;d be tired of big companies on the brink of disaster with a bunch of overpaid executives.</p>
<p>Leno also joked about the dismal state of the economy, saying it&#8217;s so bad Obama flew to California on Southwest Airways — making nine stops.</p>
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		<title>By: tek</title>
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		<dc:creator>tek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If some firms didn&#039;t need government money but took it anyway, I can&#039;t see why they should be commended.  Why are they taking our public funds if they don&#039;t need the money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If some firms didn&#8217;t need government money but took it anyway, I can&#8217;t see why they should be commended.  Why are they taking our public funds if they don&#8217;t need the money?</p>
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		<title>By: tek</title>
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		<dc:creator>tek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James G.:  Glad to see a voice of reason.  I concur.</description>
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		<title>By: tek</title>
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		<dc:creator>tek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you kidding me?  Public outrage from executives at corporations that sunk the global economy?  Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding me?  Public outrage from executives at corporations that sunk the global economy?  Please.</p>
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