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Donna Brazile, For Cryin’ Out Loud [Update]

I hear that Donna Brazile, on ABC’s This Week today, said that Rev. Jeremiah Wright is regarded as a “moderate” preacher. I cannot f–king believe it. We’re working on getting the video clip, and hope to have more.

Those “in the know” say that her private discussions reveal her bias towards Obama. However, as a TV commentator, Brazile feigns objectivity. Just like Rachel Maddow, whose bias towards Obama is painfully evident in her MSNBO appearances. However, neither Maddow or Brazile has the decency to confess their biases. Nor do the hosts of the shows on which they appear make the DEMAND that they reveal their biases. (UPDATE: Dan Abrams, that includes you although I’ll give you your due that you do try to create a balanced show on MSNBO, but it doesn’t quite work, does it, when none of your panelists is pro-Hillary.)

Further, these “objective” commentators are failing to tie together Michelle Obama’s oft-expressed disdain for America with the words of the preacher she has listened to regularly for decades.

[H]is whiny wife, Michelle, says that her husband’s election as president would be the first reason to have “pride” in America, and complains that this country is “downright mean” and that she’s having difficulty finding money for their daughters’ piano lessons and summer camp. Between them, Mr. and Mrs. Obama earn $480,000 a year (not including book royalties from “The Audacity Of Hype,” but they’re whining about how tough they have it to couples who earn 48 grand – or less. Yes, we can. But not on a lousy half-million bucks a year.

Here’s what REAL Americans think of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, via syndicated columnist Mark Steyn today in “Mark Steyn: Obama’s Pastor Disaster“:

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright thinks that, given their treatment by white America, black Americans have no reason to sing “God Bless America.” “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America,” he told his congregation. “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human.”

I’m not a believer in guilt by association, or the campaign vaudeville of rival politicians insisting this or that candidate dissociate himself from remarks by some fellow he had a 30-second grip’n'greet with a decade ago. But Jeremiah Wright is not exactly peripheral to Barack Obama’s life.

The next paragraphs are priceless:

[Wright] married the Obamas and baptized their children. Those of us who made the mistake of buying the senator’s latest book, “The Audacity Of Hope,” and assumed the title was an ingeniously parodic distillation of the great sonorous banality of an entire genre of blandly uplifting political writing discovered circa page 127 that in fact the phrase comes from one of the Rev. Wright’s sermons. Jeremiah Wright has been Barack Obama’s pastor for 20 years – in other words, pretty much the senator’s entire adult life. Did Obama consider “God Damn America” as a title for his book but it didn’t focus-group so well?

Ah, well, no, the senator told ABC News. The Rev. Wright is like “an old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with.” So did he agree with goofy old Uncle Jeremiah on Sept. 16, 2001? That Sunday morning, Uncle told his congregation that the United States brought the death and destruction of 9/11 on itself. “We nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,” said the Rev. Wright. “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards.”

Is that one of those “things I don’t always agree with”? Well, Sen. Obama isn’t saying, responding merely that he wasn’t in church that morning. OK, fair enough, but what would he have done had he happened to have shown up on Sept. 16? Cried “Shame on you!” and stormed out? Or, if that’s a little dramatic, whispered to Michelle that he didn’t want their daughters hearing this kind of drivel while rescue workers were still sifting through the rubble and risen from his pew in a dignified manner and led his family to the exit? Or would he have just sat there with an inscrutable look on his face as those around him nodded?

[...]

Yet since his early twenties he’s sat week after week, listening to the ravings of just another cookie-cutter race-huckster.

What is Barack Obama for? It’s not his “policies,” such as they are. Rather, Sen. Obama embodies an idea: He’s a symbol of redemption and renewal, and a lot of other airy-fairy abstractions that don’t boil down to much except making upscale white liberals feel good about themselves and get even more of a frisson out of white liberal guilt than they usually do. I assume that’s what Geraldine Ferraro was getting at when she said Obama wouldn’t be where he was today (i.e., leading the race for the Democratic nomination) if he was white. For her infelicity, the first woman on a presidential ticket got bounced from the Clinton campaign and denounced by MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann for her “insidious racism” indistinguishable from “the vocabulary of David Duke.”

Oh, for cryin’ out loud. Enjoyable as it is to watch previously expert tossers of identity-politics hand grenades blow their own fingers off, if Geraldine Ferraro’s an “insidious racist”, who isn’t? …

There’s much more. Read all of “Mark Steyn: Obama’s Pastor Disaster.”

  • grtphoto

    Thanks Susan! (Again) Just a suggestion for everyone: click on the HillaryHub site next to these articles for some feel good video of her at the Scranton St. Pats Day parade. Nice to see her supporters.

  • http://xnerg.blogspot.com Pudentilla

    You are familiar with the old Testament tradition of prophets criticizing the status quo; Jeremiah’s laments and curses, for example? This was pretty whole heartedly adopted by American Christians. You could start with Jonathan Edwards’ Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God; which was required reading in my American Lit course when I was in high school.

    So why aren’t you correcting Steyn’s ignorance instead of circulating it. Myself, I’m not so much into the angry prophetic tradition in Judeo-Christian religion, but I’m in a pretty small minority if history’s any guide. If crazy ass white preachers since Edwards can call down curses on sinners in America, I don’t see anything particularly offensive about crazy-ass African American preachers doing it.

    Of course, it’s never comfortable being the intended audience of an angry prophet, is it?

  • OxyCon

    Ooh ooh ooh!
    Let me be the first one….Mark Steyn is a racist!
    Yes we can!

  • Strawberrybitch

    Wright is considered a moderate? I beg your pardon? Look, at the age of ten I told my parents that I no longer wanted to go to CCD or attend mass because of the way the Church treated women and Jewish people. So what’s Obama’s excuse?

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Someone found this at Wikipedia:

    From Wikepedia: Michelle Obama Robinson

    Despite her criticisms of Clinton during the 2008 campaign, when asked in 2004 which political spouse she admired, Obama cited Hillary Clinton, stating,

    “She is smart and gracious and everything she appears to be in public-someone who’s managed to raise what appears to be a solid, grounded child.”

    Now, in 2008, she refused to answer GMA’s Diane Sawyer when asked if she’d support the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. Shame on her.

  • ponds

    Is this the same Mark Steyn who has been a cheerleader for the war, denies global warming,says Valerie Plame was not really a CIA operative and called Joe Wilson a liar?

    http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/conason/2005/07/23/plame/index.html

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1173183/posts

  • OxyCon

    Barack Obama claims to be a uniter, just as Bush before him.
    I’m going to tell you exactly why this isn’t true.
    So far in this campaign, Obama and his campaign have called the following people racists: Bill Shaheen, Mark Penn, Ed Rendell, Geraldine Ferraro and President Clinton. A uniter would have heard these preposterous charges and worked to diffuse them, for the good of race relations and for the good of the country. Obama? He did the opposite. He stoked the charges and used them for his political advantage. A uniter would have said “I know President Clinton and I know all of the good he has done for the Black community. He’s certainly no racist”. A divider would say “there’s seems to be a trend of racist comments coming from Senator Clinton’s campaign”.
    Wel all know what Obama has done…he’s a divider.

  • justsomeone

    My best guess: Donna Brazile has has attended alot more services in alot more black churches than SusanUNPC has.

  • Patti

    Not too concerned about the Church that SusanUNPC attends.. She is not running for POTUS. Senator Obama is.

  • Andy

    Sure, that is b/c Donna B. believes
    Wright’s hate-speech.

    There is no way around this issue.

    If you can tolerate this man, his sermons and these words, if you find it in you to excuse Wright
    even while “rejecting the words” (Obama, Brazile, his surogates and those pledged delegates and supporters who despite knowing, learning this run to throw their vote) then the only possible conclusion is that you,
    yourself believe those words, you believe in this man.

    There is no excuse. It is disgusting. This is not what the US should be standing for.

    Yet this is precisely what Obama, Brazile, his surrogates and supporters are doing by condoning
    Wright, the man.

  • Shainzona

    He’s from Orange County, so he’s a Repug racist – or, at least that’s what BO et al will say!

  • TJ

    Even Rethugs can put forth a logical argument when they try real hard. Seems obvious Obama is being less than forthright on Rev. Wright.

  • Shainzona

    Absolutely. Thanks for putting the arguement about BO being a uniter to rest.

    Of course, maybe he was only talking about uniting himself with Repugs instead of Dems.

  • Fed Up

    Yeah, Brazile and Maddow are annoying. But I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the blatantly Obamacentric “neutral observer” that riles me the most is Mika “The Obama Girl” Brzezenski at Morning Joe. What an abjectly deceitful fraud!

  • Andy

    justsomeone:

    I take it you tolerate and agree with Wright’s hate-speech.

    This says a lot about you and only you.

  • prostratedragon

    The United Church of Christ is a daughter denomination of Jonathan Edwards’s proto-Congregationalists, and church history is an important aspect of the curriculum for confirmation, or was back in the Victorian era when I completed it (I was not confirmed by Henry Ward Beecher, however.). Strong rhetoric is not unusual. Also, the specifics of church doctrine are not tightly controlled; freedom of expression is respected.

  • rwc

    And Wright’s hate mongering is just typical of what you find in church sermons across the country.

    All humor aside, the contortions that Obama’s supporters will go through to excuse his long friendship and support of a vile race hustler is just amazing.

    It really exposes them as a bunch of moral pygmies and hypocrites.

  • Mary

    Your “best guess” should be more concerned with what Michelle Obama is allowing her young daughters to be taught in their church.

    With all due respect.

  • Lorelynn

    This doesn’t surprise me. Clinton is always incredibly gracious when it comes to discussing the Obamas. My take is that they, at least at one point, genuinely got along well. And I can see where Bill and Hillary might be personally thrilled at the appearance of an African American politician who had the right telegenic and intellectural stuff as well as the necessary drive to make it to the top.

    It’s interesting to think about his actions against Alice Palmer in that light. She, too, an older woman, invited him into the process and he bumped her off with ease. I wonder if he mistook Clinton for Palmer?

  • Fleaflicker

    Brazile’s feigned objectivity is reprehensible.

  • http://penitent-thief.blogspot.com/ PMS

    Jeremiah told the people of Israel to their faces about God’s wrath to come… it was a collective warning to repent. He didn’t blame it on, or render prophesy against, Judah. He was speaking to his own people.

    Big difference.

    That’s why Wright is a racist hate-monger, and Jeremiah was a tender of sycamore trees (and a man of God).

    Here endeth the Old Testament lesson.

  • Mary

    Agree, Andy.

    And if Donna Brazille believes that what we all saw in those videotapes is “moderate,” then she become completely unbelievable and untrustworthy in her “commentary.”

    This is not “moderate.” Not by a long shot.

    And all Americans should be concerned about Barak and Michelle allowing their daughters to be influenced by this race-baiting hatred.

    I was willing to vote Obama if he got the nomination, even though I’m for Hillary.

    Not anymore. This is unforgiveable.

    Such language, from the pulpit, with CHILDREN in the congregation?

    Not in a million years.

  • http://penitent-thief.blogspot.com/ PMS

    Well, there’s silver-lining should McCain win, and the Repubs get the House and Senate back because of an overwhelming Obama backlash… Nancy Pelosi will no longer be Speaker of the House.

  • OxyCon

    What the Obamatons are doing is putting forth an argument that “because Pastors X, Y and Z have said horrible things, it’s O.K. if Wright says horrible things”.

    This could not be further from the truth.

    If Pastors X,Y and Z say horrible things, we condemn them and make it known that we as a society will not tolerate their horrible sermons, just as we condemn the horrible things Rev Wright has said.

  • bert

    This discusion, sir is not about our own political beliefs. At rock bottom it is a discussion of can a man (Obama) with this in his back ground be elected by a MAJORITY of the American electorate when we know a MAJORITY of Americans do not have the same political belief system as you have. In fact the majority of Americans think your (mine too I bet) system is ultra liberal left wing wacko un-American and rich eletist crap.

  • bert

    What do you want to bet someone will edit that comment out of the Wikipedia website ASAP? Is there any way we can preserve this? This is just rich. I love it. Thanks for finding this.

  • mimi

    The flu put me on my back the last 48 hours and so I’ve been missing all the action.

    First, Donna Brazile admitted to being Catholic, and attending a mostly white church, so maybe, just maybe she hasn’t been in as many black churches as the above poster snarked.

    Second, her outright bias towards Obama is causing such a strain for her the tension is visible in her face. And this is what I, as an AA, despise about Obama, he is bringing a whole lot of good and decent black folks down with his Machiavellan campaign, turning the race card at every opportunity. I know the Hillary’s people want the Ferraro flap to go away, but I wish some investigiative journalist would actually find out just how the Obama campaign hounded her over these remarks and the lengths they went to.

    This man has trivialized years of hard work by AA Activists who have made legitimate claims about racism in his ruthless trek to the WH. He doesn’t care how many bodies he leaves along his path. He doesn’t care. He has exploited the emotional needs of a people who see such intense validation in having a black president. This is so wrong on so many levels.

    I think all the commentators need to admit their biases. Some real honesty is what is called for at this point.

  • Fleaflicker
  • John

    I wish that if Obama supporters think that what the Rev. Wright said was not so bad, they would demand that their candidate stand up for him, defend him, and keep him as a close advisor. But they won’t- they’ll defend Rev. Wright and also defend Obama’s distancing himself from him. It’s ridiculous.

    Keith Olbermann called Ferraro’s comments “something David Duke would say” and “racist.” So what does he think of Wright?

    Colbert King in yesterday’s Washington Post attacked an advisor to one of the campaigns as racist. That’s right- the advisor he attacked was Geraldine Ferraro. Not Wright. Didn’t even MENTION Wright in the Op-Ed.

    Disgusting.

  • Fleaflicker

    See the link directly below. The quote is at the end of the story.

  • Fleaflicker

    Yes, she made this statement when Hillary helped Obama get elected. Then she was a nice lady. Someone she admired and respected. Now that she is running against her hubby she is …….

  • Fleaflicker

    What does that have to do with anything?

  • Mel

    America is the land of “Freedom of Speech”, that is what thousands of young men and women are fighting in Iraq right now for! That is fine and dandy!

    Rev Wright has the right to speak as he desires also, that sets the tone for the sort of person he is as a human being! It also sets the tone for those who return time and time again to continue hearing the sermons of Rev Wright! It just as equally sets the tone for those who label such a persons sermons as Brazile did today!

    As for Obama, his continual use of the phrase “I do not recall” is a common thread of this man, he uses it on Rev Wright, Rezko, Auchi, Ayers and a host of other events and associations! America is closing a chapter of 8 yrs of a President who lacks the memorys of the past, poor judgement and alterior motives behind actions and here America is once again falling into the same trap once again!

    How can America be a moral compass of freedom in the world when thanks to Obama’s exposure, many from the shadows are emerging who condon a possible leader upon who’s faith is based on a foundation of hatred and ethnic poisoning?

    When will people awaken from this mental laps and realize that condoning the likes of Rev Wright and supporting someone who’s faith is guided by the likes of a Rev Wright bares no difference to condoning the likes of Osama bin Ladin?

    Rev Wrights pulpit might be different to that of bin Ladin’s, but the words are very similar in tone and message!

    Wake up America!

  • camac

    Ha.

    At the age of 12 I quit the Presbyterian Sunday School I so loved because our teacher said “little heathen
    African babies are going to hell.”

    I didn’t have enough nerve to say a word to a soul at the time….I just quit going.

  • Fleaflicker

    If I take Brazile at her word then I am sorely out of touch with the black friends I have. If on the outside they are friendly and social but on Sunday they go into church and blame the whites for every ill on earth then I am very concerned with the actual progress of civil rights in out country. Wright’s words were offensive enough for me. In fact way overboard. If this is moderate I hate to think what may be going on out there under the banner of the church.

  • Andy

    I have emailed Dean at the DNC about Brazile.

    They stop her as an objective representative of the DNC.

    She is an Obama surrogate and as such she can do say what she wants. But
    then she should not be allowed to appear everywhere as a DNC “objective observer” .

    Of course, Dean is also in the tank for Obama…. Still, sending an email can’t hurt.

  • Betty

    Eloquent

  • alexei

    Well, if Wright is considered a “moderate” in AA Churches, I would sure not like to see those that are considered “more left” and certainly, I would be quite frightened to see a “radical”.

    Believe me, someone will put Brazile’s statement up next to the Rev. Wright; do you think that won’t stir a lot of prejudice against AA churches? This is such a terrible statement from Brazile – she has now maligned all AA churches and beliefs and this could instigate a real backlash against these churches. I am worried about the unstable elements in our society and those that are true hate mongers, and what this can incite.

    I never thought that this would be the outcome of a Obama’s candidacy; he must stop this now and tell his surrogates to quit making these race baiting and apologist remarks.

  • Andy

    It is so obvious what they are trying to do: by elevating the volume on Ferraro and accusing her of everything they can think of they are trying to
    “neutralize” Wright: like saying “well you have Ferraro on the one hand and Wright on the other so we are even end of story.”

    Ferraro’s comments were to Wright’s like a match to a nuclear bomb.

    It is indeed disgusting.

  • Blunt Force Trauma

    Don’t know if I’m too late on this, but here is the Donna Brazile ABC News vid (click on link at bottom of small article that says ‘view video here’)

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/03/16/brazile-wright-one-more-moderate-black-preachers

  • simon

    and the Repubs get the House and Senate back because of an overwhelming Obama backlash… Nancy Pelosi will no longer be Speaker of the House.

    HA! Yes, you’re right…

  • g8grl

    Particularly telling is how all the Obama supporters discount what Rev. Wright’s impact is. They excuse Obama for choosing to be a part of this Rev’s flock. But none of them can honestly say that they would give Hillary the same benefit if it were she who had worshipped at a church with someone of Rev. Wright’s ilk preaching. It’s a shame that they can’t even be honest enough to admit to their own bias. Obama has proven to be every bad thing that they’ve been accusing Hillary of and yet, Obamites can’t bring themselves to admit that they were wrong. It’s no longer the politics of hope, it’s the politics of a sham and they can’t see it.

  • simon

    In our church it was a rush to save the little pagan babies via baptism, every month contributions welcomed, meaning a portion of our allowance, because apparently baptism costs money.

    They were just pagan, though, no ethnicity mentioned.

  • rwc

    What amazes me is the continued support Obama is getting from the party elders and bosses despite all the dirt coming out on him.

    They ought to know better and fire those who are advising them to back this hack.

    They saw what the GOP does to anyone who has even the slightest chink in their political armor and they don’t get that Obama has no armor but a big fat bullseye in which 527′s are going to bury their hatchets into him.

    They ought to be running away from this man, not embracing him as the party savior.

  • Ruth

    You guys, you guys…

    1) Barack’s chief claim to uniqueness in this campaign is his commitment to transcending our divisions and uniting us toward shared culture and prosperity. But the single person with the most influence over his ideology is focused entirely on division. Leaving aside the USA-as-terrorist-state question (which in all honesty I have some sympathy with), Wright’s role in Barack’s life makes a mockery of Barack’s main claim to worthiness of the presidency.

    2) Did nobody notice that the major affront in Wright’s Christmas Day sermon is not racist, but sexist? The man had the gall to stand up in front of at least 1,000 women and rant that Hillary “fits the mold” of the presidency, that she’s never been part of a group defined as subhuman, that she’s never had to work twice as hard as someone else for the same respect. WHAT???! This man has no respect for white women at all, and–make no mistake, ladies–his respect for black women goes only as far as black women are willing to be the devoted helpmeets of black men. If Geraldine Ferraro let out a drop of insensitivity toward African Americans, Jeremiah Wright poured out an ocean of insensitivity toward women. And it matters much, much more, because Wright is far closer to Obama than Ferraro is to Clinton.

  • Ruth

    And it’s fascinating that the Clinton campaign is not pushing the (true) story of Wright’s sexism the way the Obama campaign is pushing the (questionable) story of Ferraro’s racism. In a way I’m disappointed, because sexism runs so deep in global culture that nobody in the MSM has even noticed Wright’s sexism, but I’m also pleased with this proof Clinton is not running an identity-politics campaign. And Obama is.

  • simon

    What amazes me is the continued support Obama is getting from the party elders and bosses despite all the dirt coming out on him.

    IT occurs to me the US is losing in Iraq for the same reasons Obama has gained the opportunity to be taken seriously as a candidate, a world of Adams, and Bob Johnsons.

    You see all the illogical arguments, and vitriol coming from the Obama camp, toward others?

    Obama is a moron(Wright, state sensate records, lies, rezko…all bad choices for someone running for office) Obama can’t do the job, period, Obama has terrorist connections, it’s there, point blank.

    And the people around him keep spinning further and further, with no ability to see the truth of the arguments around them, and the truth of the results.

    Ultimately Obama will not win the GE, and even if he were, (Mccain drops dead the day before the election, god forbid), Obama will fuck up the Presidency, even further, JUST LIKE BUSH AND CHENEY.

    The Obama supporter must think like Cheney, and his crew, because this is how it seems to go in relation to Iraq. Just substitute Cheney, and Iraq, for Obama, and the GE, and you understand what smart people must be up against in trying to turn the course in the Middle East.

    There is no magic bullet, tptb either get it , or they don’t. When you have a Congress full of Pelosis, and dunderheads like Cheney, and Addington, well, you lose wars.

    OTOH, if something else is going on, our enemies would never know, given the shield the stupid cheney moose throw, inadvertently.

  • simon

    Leaving aside the USA-as-terrorist-state question

    Funny, coming for Obama like this.

    Anyway, I wonder what they have on tape?

    There is still a real wolrd out there.

  • simon

    identity-politics

    Loaded right wing term, like “PC.”

    Immediately, I think shit headed troll who is being trolled, but too arrogant, and stupid, to see it.

    If I’m wrong, I apologize.

  • Nellie

    Pudentilla,

    It’s not calling out sinners that is at issue here. Revivalist/Evangelical churches have been doing that for some time.

    It is several other things:

    1. Referring to Jesus as a black man. Jesus was the same color as the Palestinans or Jordanians are today. They descended from Semites. So in the first place he is preaching a lie.

    2. Associating or trying to enforce that the message Jesus brought to ALL, is somehow bound up in the color of a persons skin is abhorrent – Period. Yet that is what Jeramiah Wright does week after week.

    3. Using the same old US vs THEM. God made all the worlds children, and doesn’t say anywhere that the location they are born in, makes them inferior, less than or something else.

    4. Rev. Wright is using the Bible as a prop – NOT honestly teaching the message contained within. He intesprese Biblical Passages, in his rants against white people. That is called Bigorty and Hatred – it is NOT Religion, it is the opinon of ONE person, and NOT of GOD!

  • Nellie

    Thanks Mimi,

    AS a child of the 70′s I have and continued to do what I cold for ALL races and both sexes throughout my life. I’m limited now by my health.

    This morning I too focused on how all the hard work of the last 40 years has been so terribly undone by GWB, and now Obama.

    It makes one want to cry for the loss of what had been so good about America – perfect no – but was at least moving, sometimes slower than others, but really moving toward where we wanted to go. Now it feels as if something that was alive has now been killed and it feels horrible.

  • justsomeone

    Hey Andy, tryin’ to lump me in with ole Rev Wright is kinda funny. The point I was tryin’ to make is simply Donna Brazile probably attends alot of African-American (Black) Churches & therefore is in a better position to take their tempatures i.e. ascertain who is “mainstream”, “radical”, “moderate” etc. I find your shock at Wright’s statements naive. Got that??? Naive! Donna was being honest in her ascessment of the typical “Black” sermon. Instead of you thinkin’, Wow! I didn’t know there was so much hostility right beneath the surface, Thanks Ms Brazile for tippin’ me off…No you assume she’s runnin’ cover for Obama.

  • rwc

    IMO if Hillary were to try use Pastor Wright’s association with Obama in campaign ads, she would be pilloried as racist and labeled kin to Lester Maddox by segments of the Democratic party.

    And there is precedence for this given the way Obama played the race card with Bill Clinton and Ferraro.

    Therefore Hillary can only go after Obama on a issue basis.

    As far as the MSM goes, they have a love fest with Obama. Partly I suspect out of ratings and to keep the fight going between Hillary and Obama.

  • http://www.despair.com/idiocy.html Smilin’ Jim

    It is what it is.

    Black Racism.

    And why not?

    They learned from us.

  • Mary

    Absolutely right, Oxycon.

    Obama is a bamboozler in a good suit.

  • justsomeone

    Here’s a little clue Andy: When you hear someone who has a Doctor of Divinity degree from an accredited University start talkin’ in ebonics, brace yourself…

  • Patrick Henry

    I really resent you saying “US”..in that comment Jim..I am not a White Supremisist..I hate what they stand for..and what they have done..I Hate the Bigotry and Racism of the Nazis..I hate the way The Communists solve thier Domestic problems..and how they have been involved in Genocide at Home and in foregin nations..

    I Remember the United States Civil War..How Many White Folks died..even President Lincoln..

    I Remember those who fought for Emancipation..and Equality..Thoese who stood up to the KKK..Those who Arrested and Prosecuted WHITE HATE MONGERS..How things changed in the 60′s and seventys..

    Yes..its taken about 250 years to get from writing our Constitution..and Establishing Our Democracy..to start giving Minoritys some Voices and Choices..and Equality..same for WOMEN..they have to fight for equality too..pretty much similar to the Black Struggle for equal Rights..

    Democracy and equality has been an ongoing..evolutionary..and Basically peaceful REVOLUTIONARY Process..

    There is no Room for White Hate Groups..Black hate Groups..Brown Hate Groups..or Militant Armed Revolutionarys in our Nation..

    We don’t need ANY Politician or Presidental Candidate who Belongs to such Known Groups..PERIOD.

    Whites have stood up for Blacks..

    Blacks need to stand up for Whites..

    EVERY Citizen..man or woman..has a RIGHT to EQUALITY..

    Thast KILLING WAR has been fought..

    The real war is with Drug Cartels..Poverty..Gangs..Hate Groups..and creating Jobs and Improving the Standard of Living for ALL Citizens..

    We are a Democracy..We have the Choice and Right to finish the Dream Our founding Fathers started for us..

    NOT let People..Races..Groups..or Gangs..
    Start the CIVIL WAR over again….

  • flyarm

    Donna Brazile was responsible for disenfranchising my vote in Florida! And that of 1.7 million Florida Democrats.

    I guess 7 thousand that caucus’ed in Wyoming .. out of 59,000 registered dems..are more important to Donna and the DNC than our votes in Florida..and i will remember that when i sit home in November because Obama and the DNC and Donna Brazile didn’t think my vote mattered.

    Oh and I might add..I was a Dem Delegate for Florida in 2004.

    Please read this full link..and pass on to everyone you know!!
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/15/17261/4418
    Well, you see, the DNC Delegate Selection Rules 2008 were actually written in 2006. The Florida Legislature amended the statute in Spring, 2007. At that time (and actually, still, but read on) the rule said:

    Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state’s delegation. In determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state’s delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the next nearest whole number.

    “Hey, doesn’t that solve the problem? Sure, they get less, but they’re not ‘disenfranchised,’ right?”

    Well, yeah, but then came Donna Brazile. Now mind you, the DNC Rules Committee did not even need to meet, the sanctions were automatic:

    Upon a determination of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee that a state is in violation as set forth in subsections (1), (2) or (3) of section C. of this rule, the reductions required under those subsections shall become effective automatically and immediately and without further action of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee, the Executive Committee of the DNC, the DNC or the Credentials Committee of the Democratic National Convention.

    On August 25, 2007, long after the Florida Legislation passed,

    Ms. Brazile decided she was going to make an example of Florida. She said “”I’m going to send a message to everybody in Florida that we’re going to follow the rules.” By “the rules,” by the way, she meant the date of primary rules, not the DNC’s own rules about punishment. What the Rules Committee really did was create an ex post facto new rule to punish Florida (and Michigan). Did the Rules Committee have the authority to do that? Let’s look again at the Rules:

    Nothing in the preceding subsections of this rule shall be construed to prevent the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee from imposing additional sanctions, including, without limitation, those specified in subsection (6) of this section C., against a state party and against the delegation from the state which is subject to the provisions of any of subsections (1) through (3) of this section C., including, without limitation, establishing a committee to propose and implement a process which will result in the selection of a delegation from the affected state which shall (i) be broadly representative, (ii) reflect the state’s division of presidential preference and uncommitted status and (iii) involve as broad participation as is practicable under the circumstances.

    WHOA! It looks like they had the authority, but also had an obligaton. How did they establish a procedure that was (a) broadly representative, (b) reflected the State’s preference, and (c) involved broad participation? Simple answer. They didn’t. NOT. AT. ALL. But what is this “subsection (b) of this section C”? Funny you should ask, because it doesn’t really apply. You see, the “failure” falls under subsection (2), as noted above:

    Nothing in these rules shall prevent the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee from imposing sanctions the Committee deems appropriate with respect to a state which the Committee determines has failed or refused to comply with these rules, where the failure or refusal of the state party is not subject to subsections (1), (2) or (3) of this section C. Possible sanctions include, but are not limited to: reduction of the state’s delegation; pursuant to Rule 21.C., recommending the establishment of a committee to propose and implement a process which will result in the selection of a delegation from the affected state which shall (i) be broadly representative, (ii) reflect the state’s division of presidential preference and uncommitted status and (iii) involve as broad participation as is practicable under the circumstances; reducing, in part or in whole, the number of the state’s temporary and permanent members to the Standing Committees; reducing, in part or in whole, the number of guests, VIP and other passes/tickets to the National Convention and related functions; assignment of location of the state’s delegates and alternates in the Convention hall; and assignment of the state’s housing and other convention related facilities.

  • Eurogirl70

    ROTFL!!!

    OxyCon that was priceless!!

  • http://www.despair.com/idiocy.html Smilin’ Jim

    “I really resent you saying “US”..in that comment Jim..”

    Tough shit.

    This country has racism and xenophobia in it’s mother’s milk. Always has, probably always will.

    Why do you think we bothered to pass so many goddam laws against it?

    Life is sweet. It is so much fun to stick it to liberals: They do bleat and bleed so. Why should the reactionaries have all the fun?

    Count to ten, get your inner child some milk and cookies and read a little Dr. Suess.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Obama is a bamboozler in a goodcheap suit.

  • apishapa

    I believe Brazille has indicated that if Obama is no t nominated, she will quit the DNC. She has no business setting policy. Neither does Dean who is just a little bit less obvious in his preferences. And Pelosi need to shu the hell up, too.

  • Patrick Henry

    Smilin’ Jim..(
    Thanks for Your Reply..You sound kinda Grumpy..sorry you are having such a Bad day..

    Those things were never Part of my Mothers Milk..
    I grew up at a time when everyone hung around the old wood stove in the kitchen..there was laundry drying all over..Mom was cooking..or Canning or Bakin something or doin laundry from dawn till dark..raised chickens..planted a garden..and cut firewood from the back forty..She always had a Smile on Her Face and talked nice about everyone..

    She always Sang..”Rock of Ages”..Took me to church and Democrat meetins..and taught me to hate Discrimination.&.Racism..and that Everyone has rights..Guess that Makes me a “LIBERAL”..its the Closest word to “LIBERTY” that Fits..

    Mom died at age 58 from living with my Grumpy step dad..whose idea of family bonding was to help him bottle his home brew.. Your attitude reminds me a little of him Jim..

    I didn’t have to count to ten..I already had my glass of milk..and a Glazed Donut..

    Since you are familiar with Dr. Suess..then you should remember that the “GRINCH who Stold Christmas”..had a Happy ending..and a Good Meaning..

    People can Change..

    God Loves You Jim..

  • TJ

    Do all black churches do the Bill Clinton did Monica and then he did you riff? Hope not.

  • BloggerBoyz

    That’s great. Try making that argument in the general. Obama can’t win by acclamation. This appalls about 80% of voters and appeals to 0000006% We call that “political suicide.”

  • BloggerBoyz

    Whereas one of Obama’s idiot white guy supporters said that Clinton’s graciousnssis in itself racism, she’s sneakily drawing attention to the fact he’s African American by pointing out the historic nature of the campaign.

  • ritamary

    The Obamas seem to have a history of trashing anyone who is no longer useful or convenient.

  • ritamary

    But isn’t Mika’s father an Obama employee?

  • TeakWoodKite

    Hope your feeling better.

  • izarradar

    “You could start with Jonathan Edwards’ Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God; which was required reading in my American Lit course when I was in high school.”

    Can you cite me a passage that reads: “God Damn America!”?

    Sorry, but that really will not play with the average Joe and Jill American. As a Democrat if you don’t understand that, then you represent just how distanced this Party has become from mainstream U.S.A. The last time I looked those people make up a LOT of votes, and we can’t afford to make them the new disenfranchised.

  • http://www.despair.com/idiocy.html Smilin’ Jim

    “People can Change..

    God Loves You Jim”

    And I gave you the sugar coated version.

    Original sin is a contradiction in terms.

    Do you know why God is dead?
    He was bored to death by people committing the same old sins for a googolplex of
    millennia.

    If I had the job I’d give the bastards the H-bomb and MTV.

  • Patrick Henry

    Hi Jim ..

    Thanks for dropping By..I’m enjoying the debate and have actually found many of your comments here to be thoughtful..

    Thanks for the Sugar coating ..Thats the way I like it

    …Seen enough Violence and Picked up enough Bodys for One Lifetime..

    God is Not Dead..Jim..He is very much Alive..

    He Pretty much stays out of things since He Created this Beautiful Earth for Mankind to take Care of..remember..It was Created as a GARDEN..and we can See Gods Beautiful Living Art Work every where..even in the Stars..

    Sure..there was an origional Sin..Mankind was tempted by Lucifer to Disobey Gods Word..and Eat or Ingest some type of “Fruit” that would Alter Mankinds Perception..so that He and She would “KNOW’”..about both Good and Evil..or HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF..EVIL..

    Mankind became capable of “EVIL’”..The Temptation of doing Wrong..turning away from Gods Love..Violating his Commandments..

    Killing One Anther..

    God is really the Source of LOVE..

    Lucifer is the Source of EVIL..

    and The Spiritual and Human War Began..The Violence Began..

    And I believe God will have to intervene again Soon..because Lucifer has given the Knowledge to make the H Bomb..and Dumbed Mankind down with the likes of MTV..

    In the Last Days..The Good Book says..Mankind will Ascend Himself to the Stars..and Have a form of Godliness (H Bomb)
    but Deny the Power of God..

    There are reasons for Current events Jim..

    Its also Spiritual Warfare..

  • Mike Howell

    OxyCon –

    Interesting how Messiah Hopey/Dopey unveiled reveals Rev. Divider/Igniter…

  • Mike Howell

    justsomeone –

    My best guess: Donna Brazile has has attended alot more services in alot more black churches than SusanUNPC has.

    I was amazed to hear Donna Brazile say that Rev. Wrong is moderate. WTF are the other raging assholes spouting?!

    These losers get tax exempt status for that crap!

    Why isn’t the IRS and Homeland Security all over them?

  • Mike Howell

    mimi –

    I believe Brazile was being truthful about the inflammatory rhetoric spewing from many AA pulpits.

    Religion is big biz and no accountability sells. “It’s not your fault – it’s the white man’s fault!” Irresponsible as hell sure. Terrible leadership no doubt too, but it brings in the bucks.

    What’s the percentage in her saying he’s moderate compared to others, when he’s clearly out of control and hate-filled toward whites and others?

    Remember that Nation Of Islam is big time in Chicago and Farakhan lives in Kenwood where the Obama’s ill gotten mansion is located. Terrorist Ayers is a neighbor too by the way.

    Rev. Wrong’s rhetoric is as unenlightened as any white gay bashing preacher and as racist as the Klan. But even the Klan and Falwell don’t hate America!

    Imagine HRC donating $20K+ a year to the NOI or Fred Phelps – it would be “Good night Hillary time”.

    Why do people expect and demand so much less from Barack Obama?

    The Obamas shouldn’t feign offense because of the “all powerful Clintons”.

    The Obamas should be offended by their racist cult of low expectations.

    And its head petal pusher Donna Brazile.

  • Mike Howell

    justsomeone –

    Thanks for the tip! Too funny! Does anyone know a Church that serves Bloody Marys?

  • Irish1139

    Hillary has never been called ni**er. She has, however, been called c*nt, *hore, bi*ch, murderer, etc. Need I go on?

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