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Obama’s Math Morons

Anyone, and I repeat for emphasis, ANYONE, who accepts the Obama excuse that Bush deficits are to blame for the current economic woes and then blithely accepts the proposed Obama federal budget is a math moron. If you accept his blather you are ignorant, lazy, stupid or just hell bent on sundering the U.S. economy.

Harsh? You betcha. But here’s why I’m so insistent on this point.

President Obama is right about one thing–the unrestrained, irresponsible spending approved by President Bush and passed by first, a Republican controlled Congress, and second, a Democratic controlled Congress, created an enormous Federal debt and onerous budget deficit. According to the Congressional Budget Office, during 2007 and 2008 George W. Bush signed off on legislation that increased the Federal budget deficit by almost 700 billion dollars for those two years. Okay? In 2008 alone the the deficit approached 500 billion.

Now follow this logic. Barack Obama whines incessantly about the awful, horrible, terrible position his Administration is in because the Bush Administration spent more money than it took in. So far, I agree with Obama.

What does he propose? Increase the budget deficit from 500 billion to $1.85 trillion dollars. He is increasing the deficit by almost a multiple of four. Based on a population estimate of 300 million Americans, that works out to adding $6166 dollars of debt to every man, woman and child in the United States. That’s the estimate for just this year. If you are married and have two children you are adding almost $25,000 to your debt burden. At the end of the day this deficit will be paid for by the American people.

But wait, Barack gives us the sunny promise that he will cut that deficit in half. Okay, here is where we find out if you are a math moron. If you quadruple the deficit to 1.85 trillion and then cut that in half, what is the result? Got it? $925 billion dollars. That is still almost double the deficit poor whiney Barack inherited from that bad Mr. Bush.

Washington Post has an excellent rundown on this fiscal sleight of hand:

President Obama’s ambitious plans to cut middle-class taxes, overhaul health care and expand access to college would require massive borrowing over the next decade, leaving the nation mired far deeper in debt than the White House previously estimated, congressional budget analysts said yesterday.

In the first independent analysis of Obama’s budget proposal, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concluded that Obama’s policies would cause government spending to swell above historic levels even after costly programs to ease the recession and stabilize the nation’s financial system have ended.

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Barack, as President, is acting like every other damn fool American who went out and borrowed money they could not repay. He is taking out a home equity loan that costs four times what the house is worth.

I know something Barack does not. I have firsthand experience living in a country that spent money it could not afford to repay. I lived in Argentina in 1984 and 1985. During the 1970s Argentines enjoyed a strong currency and went on a spending spree and borrowed money they could not repay. The second largest city in Argentina, Cordoba, offered daily flights to Miami and Houston so your average Argentine citizen could go buy crap in America. It is a nine hour flight, yet middle class Argentines were queuing up to make the trek and spend borrowed money. But the debt came due. And when it came time to pay, just like an American who took out a $500,000 mortgage on a house now worth $400,000 and who has been laid off, they could not afford to pay the debt. Burdened by a swelling government deficit the Argentine government could not maintain the ruse and the Argentine peso collapsed. Next thing you know inflation was roaring out of control. It was in excess of 1000 percent a year.

What does this mean? A dear friend of mine who was a baker sold his house in 1983 for 50,000 pesos. By October of 1984 50,000 pesos could buy you a half-liter bottle of Coca Cola. The money he got for his house was virtually worthless.

This is where Barack Obama and his team of mental midgets are taking us. Been there, done that. I am preparing for the inevitable. Meanwhile, this golden child from Illinois who relies on good looks and a teleprompter to try to bamboozle the American public is in over his friggin head and is to dumb to realize he is jumping into deep water wearing concrete boots. Regardless of his good intentions, his budget is fiscal suicide for this country and its people.

  • Danny

    Or they could just be gargling Obamas balls.

  • yttik

    Good post Larry. Obama always treats us if we’re stupid and unfortunately many of us are. It’s like his talking point about “save or create jobs”. What a bunch of sloppy doublespeak. Seriously, I’m insulted. If the gov is going to feed me a line of BS, at least put some effort into it!

    I keep thinking about Zimbabwe and the hundred trillion dollar note they printed …worth about 30 bucks. I can’t even wrap my brain around these big numbers, but if we start printing and spending quadrillions, eventually we’re going to be using money for wallpaper. I don’t know where our breaking point is. This is uncharted territory so I’m just out planting potatoes as fast as I can.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    but…but… i thought obama lived in indonesia, and understood the ways of the world?

    This is the same thing happening in Zimbabwe now. It costs like a zillion Zim dollars for a coke.

    1 US Dollar = 37,456,777 Zimbabwe Dollar

  • HARP

    Who knew that in Chicago 2+2 equals 3.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    i fear our teleprompter in chief,,flunked math,
    or slept thru it..

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    Larry, I swear you and I share some genes somewhere or something. I need to do my family tree and find out!

    My latest bot smackdown for about the last month or so is “do the math!”. It shuts a bot up really quickly. They walk away with their tail between their legs!

    I’m considering making a bumper sticker that reads:

    BHO-Do the math, stupid!

  • truthorconsequences

    “What does this mean?” I think it means Obama is setting America up for a fall. Anyone can name the country of their choice or group of countries, like the Middle East–in general. That is the only place on earth where Obama could ever be a hero, except Kenya.

  • http://www.sonicninakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    Obama does not have good intentions. There is no other explanation.

  • lark

    LJ, I agree w/your analysis.

    yttik said: Obama always treats us if we’re stupid….

    I think we are. For example, there are thousands of students and professors in colleges and universities that see these numbers above but continue w/their lives as if nothing is happening. It doesn’t matter how many PhDs we have and how many students, everyone of them is a stupid idiot. Universities are centers of stupidity for the morons to go learn idiotic skills.

    Now why couldn’t people engaged in higher education take these challenges. After all, if we are going to live by those numbers above, not one text in economics remains viable; all of them become obsolete. Entire curricula are rendered completely absurd. The present economic maneuvers by the Treasury and the Fed and the budget as shown above makes the entire economic degree ineffective. So…

    Why is it that students and professors don’t make waves about it? Why aren’t they criticizing it with mass campus protests?

  • lark

    Right

  • wodiej

    I am seriously beginning to believe that Obama, Pelosi and Reid are just too damn stupid and crazy to plan anything like socialism and make it work. Our country has bred a bunch of moronic nitwits who sucked on the Obama kool aid to feed their far left kook liberal mindset they inherited from their parents. May they all rest in hell. I just can’t believe people like Pelosi would think they can confiscate 401k’s that people earned and just spread it around to lazy ass people who don’t want to work.

    Bush is to blame for what he did and now Obama has picked up the trillion dollar baton.

  • oowawa

    It costs like a zillion Zim dollars for a coke.

    It all just makes me want to break into song:

    I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony,
    I’d like to buy the world a Coke and keep it company.

    Well Gee Whiz, Sara, if it costs like a zillion Zim dollars for a Coke, I guess I won’t be able to buy that part of the world a Coke, after all. I kind of lose track of how many is in a bizillion, or a gazillion. These budget numbers are so far beyond my comprehension . . . All I know is we ain’t got it, and we ain’t likely to get it anytime soon . . .

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    I might have overexaggerated a bit…haha But, it looks like it would cost at least 32Million Zim dollars…

    (did you see my post with that song in it?)

  • http://catsden.wordpress.com catsden

    Maybe Pelosi, Reid, and that Oidiot are being manipulated by someone behind the scenes. Maybe Joe knows and he will slip up and tell us before it is too late.

  • TeakwoodKite

    I saw this CBO midweek and read that the budgets deficit projections where to run for 10 years out at 1.3 trillion a year.

    Your story of your dear friend made me realize that if you own a house your stuck “hanging in there” or gone…

    and if you sold at a high point your capital gains, are as you said about BO’s words, are worthless.

    LD writes about confidence being at the root of human trade. The Pharaoh BO,would empty grain silos for want of a better gift than an area 1 DVD set. The Dam thing wasn’t even Blue Ray!

    It wouldn’t have matter if the DVD set was for Area 51, the BO administration has left the building.

    LJ, we on the highway to John’s “House of Frankstien”….

  • oowawa

    No Sara, I missed that post. I’ll look for it. But seriously, not long ago, I tried to figure out how many miles a line of one trillion dollar bills would stretch if laid out end to end (figure each dollar bill is 6 inches long). Try it! I was so shocked that I rubbed my eyes and threw my pocket calculator across the room. These numbers are not on a human scale, and so we cannot wrap our minds around their enormity. They’re astronomical in scope.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    it is like two down from this one. i was wondering if it was coincidence, or you already saw it. we are twins! haha

    Glenn Beck had a video the other day with visuals on how big a trillion dollars is. it is CRAZY!

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    Yep, and the stupid bots are too naive to figure it out. They just hear “universal healthcare” and “alternative energy,” swoon, and think the money for it will grown on trees.

    Obama Trees.

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    comment stuck in spam filter!

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    He’s crazy.

    Some of us were polite and didn’t say this before the election but he’s crazy, on crack, an idiot…

  • Sassy

    Excellent work Larry!
    I had seen some of these numbers a couple of days ago.
    The 925 billion you mention is based on an improvement in our over-all economic picture, I believe.
    You may very well be portraying the best-case scenario!
    Either way, I am very concerned and have lost all confidence in the leaders of this country!

  • oowawa

    Strange synchronicity–I must have unconsciously registered your story’s headline. The whole hopey-changey phony-baloney of O’s rhetoric is expressed so beautifully by that silly jingle: everybody sway back and forth with a happy mindless smile . . . It’s in the air, in the collective unconscious. Or so it seems. But now we’re about to wake up from our sweet hopey Coke dream to the harsh sound of the Ka-Ching! at the start of Pink Floyd’s “Money.”

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    OK, so I have a serious question. If inflation goes insane like it did in Argentina, what happens to people’s salaries? Do they stay the same during that time that the inflation hits that quickly?

    I.e., if you were making $20/hour before the inflation, are you still making $20/hour even though a loaf of bread costs $2,000?

  • tek

    Did anyone think the economic problems were from Bush’s deficits? I didn’t think that, but I still see that Obama’s multi trillion dollar budget is going to put even more strain on the problem. He has to pay off his voters. It’s just nuts. A group of Democrats are opposing his spending plans.

  • tek

    Said this all along: Must We Have Another Crack-Head in the WH?

  • Julie

    BUSH’S MATH MORONS

    Not sure what the point of your post is?

    Comparing Argentina to the U.S.? Is that a joke? Argentina has no where near the GDP fire power that the U.S. has in terms of paying down debt.

    You are just arguing against Keynesian economic theory. So you are from the other side? The Milton Friedman camp? So what? Your theories about government spending and running a deficit are not necessarily right?

    The government spends when times are bad and then saves and pays down deficits when times are good. Bush kind of had it good and he should have carried on what Clinton started, which was saving and paying down deficits. He took the opposite approach.

    Cutting taxes in a time of war has never been tried before. His experiment was a failure and we are now paying for it. Bush actually cut taxes and increased spending at the very same time. This is a big contributor to where we are now. It certainly makes things worse. He also left over a trillion dollar budget deficit for 2009, as he was leaving office.

    By the way looking at a single year deficit, as you do is also not as relevant. The fact of the matter is that Bush took the “total” debt from $2.2 trillion to $5.9 trillion over his 8 years.

    Right now is a time when governments should be spending. That is what they do. They try and smooth out the economic cycle.

    You also seem to be saying that the spending is some how a zero sum game. There are benefits from the spending. The money just does not evaporate into thin air. You get something for the spending. One thing you get back is the economy starts growing again sooner and the government tax revenue stream grows again sooner, which is used to pay down the debt. In a growing economy a deficit is less important.

    Looking at the whole numbers is really not that relevant. Sure the numbers look big, but so is the U.S. economy. What you should be looking at is the “public” debt as a percentage of GDP. It may reach 80%, which is historically high by U.S. standards, but is not that high relative to international standards. By the way every other industrialized country on the planet is doing deficit spending right now to help stop this disinflationary downward sprial.

    Okay we get it! You have a lot of hatred for Obama, but the guy is working very hard to get us out of this economic mess, which had its roots over the last 8 years of Bush. No denying that! Bush and his policies encouraged a housing bubble, they had no oversight on the bank sector and the risks it was taking and did absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the middle class and the competitiveness of this country. It was all an illusion and we are now paying for it. It happened on Bush’s watch. Obama would not have to be spending a dime if Bush was doing his job. I prefer to call it the “Bush Budget Deficit Death Spiral

    Why is it that the economy and the stock market always seems to do better when Democrats are in control?

    http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/21/markets/election_demsvreps/

    http://www.slate.com/id/2199810/

    And why did both Reagan and Bush create the largest deficits in U.S. history followed by the largest recessions? I thought these Republicans were suppose to be all about business? The Republicans are a joke when it comes to the economy!

    http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    MUST WE HAVE ANOTHER CRACK HEAD IN THE WHITE HOUSE?

    Obama budget projected at $9.3 trillion in next 10 years

    President Barack Obama’s budget proposals, if carried out, would produce a staggering $9.3 trillion in total deficits over the next decade, much more than the White House has predicted, the Congressional Budget Office said on Friday.

    The office’s estimates of deficits in the fiscal years 2010 through 2019 “exceed those anticipated by the administration by $2.3 trillion.”

    The deficits under the Obama plan would be $4.9 trillion more than the projected deficits if there were no changes in current laws and policies — what the nonpartisan budget office calls its baseline assumption.

  • oowawa

    If you were making $20/hour before the inflation, are you still making $20/hour even though a loaf of bread costs $2,000?

    And, uh, what happens to social security payouts, and if they are increased to keep up with inflation, what will that do to the deficit? Is this what they call a “slippery slope” that we are about to traverse?

  • oowawa

    Julie, I don’t think anybody is giving Bush or the Republicans a pass on our current financial difficulties. Bush committed way too much money to unnecessary adventures. Is Mr. O’s administration now wasting much more money in the name of dubious causes? I think so. In my opinion, they’re all negligent and irresponsible, and that includes Republicans and Democrats. I’m a non-partisan hater! And I do not believe that Mr. O is “working very hard” to get us out of this economic mess. I think he is digging us deeper into a hole we will not be able to climb out of.

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    The economy does better if a Clinton democrat is in charge. Yes, it does. People who belong in an insane asylum, like BHO and Nazi Pelosi, who pretend to be democrats, then the answer Mr. Botbrain is no.

    All last year economic forecasts were best for Clinton, then McCain. All others said Obama was not good and the market followed a path by who was up. The people who said dems are good for the economy???? CNN and MSNBO.

  • http://Godhelpusall lee M

    I agree with Sonic Ninja Kitty, above. Obama does not have good intentions. He knows exactly what he is doing and is bankrupting us intentionally.

    And as Catsden said above maybe Obama, Pelosi and Reid are being manipulated behind the scenes and Joe Biden might slip and tell us.

    You’re on the right track, Cat, but I think Obama and Nancy Pelosi know exactly what is going on and are part of it. I don’t know about Harry Reid, unless he is a darn good actor he is too dumb to know what day it is unless Nancy tells him. As for Joe Biden I think that he is in on the secret, but is just too befuddled (or too afraid) to know what to do about it. Remember when he said six months down the road something is going to happen that will make you very mad? I think he looks pretty cowed and frightened, myself.

    IMO Obama was chosen for several reasons – ambition, greediness, hatred of the American people and the promise of doing exactly as he is told by his benefactors.

    The entity that is behind Obama has one goal in mind. To control the world. Their plan is Global control of the finances of the world, Global control of the people of the world, Global control of all business transactions in the world and Global control of Religion. Don’t call me nuts without stopping to consider all that has being happening. It started a long time ago, and became very evident in the Carter Administration. Jimmy Cartrer was chosen by the same Powers to Be that chose Obama. He immediately appointed over 26 members of the Trilateralist Commission to his cabinet. He let the Panama Canal get away from us, among other things. He was a disaster to this country and still is. His current project is promoting Hamas.

    The group of people that make up the Trilateralist Commission, The Bilderberg Group, and the CFR have one thought in mind. To make this a One World Government with their crew at the top.

    After they succeed in forming a North American Union, whis is well under way, (there was a very clear article on the subject at insightanalytical on March 9, 2009, they will really shift gears and come out in the open.

    Connect the dots. Research the membership lists of these three groups I mentioned above. You’ll find that in very many instances the same names appear on all three lists. Add to that mix the past and present Chairmen of the Federal Reserve. Names look familiar? Reasearch the family names of the members of the Federal Reserve Board and the owners of the banks it controls. Names familiar? The family trees of these International Bankers go all the way back to the founding of the Federal Reserve in 1913.

    Now start connecting more dots. Why was so much of the TARP money sent to foreign banks? Too much of it didn’t make it to main street did it? I have a lot more to throw into the pot, but I can already see lots of you saying “tinfoil hat, for sure”.

    Like Joe Biden intimated, when the real truth starts pouring out, this country is going to erupt.

  • Outis

    See those little lines at the beginning of the above graph…go ahead, I’ll wait while you scroll back up…yeah, those are what they call SURPLUSES. Brought to you by those r@cist evildoers the Clintons. Yup Clintonomics. I’ve said it before, IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID.

  • Ellen

    Oh I see…Obama and his minions want the US to go down the tubes because they hate America and, ultimately, want to take over the world, just as Jimmy Carter and his crew did.

    I am connecting the dots and your theory is whacko.

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    What is so “whacko” about it? Do you not agree that those with money want to consolidate power and make more money? Why do CEOs make 200x the lowest paid worker? Because they are greedy bastards who have no conscience whatsoever.

    So you honestly think that those same people aren’t also going to try to manipulate markets and governments for their own ends? Now YOU are the one sounding “whacko.”

    The world is filled with evil people. We live in a world where child pornography is rampant, sex slavery is a huge problem, girls as young as 3-4 get raped in African tribal wars to the point that they get fistulas (internal holes in their bodies), and you can’t find any possible reason why greedy men in power wouldn’t be trying to take over the world?

    You’re either naive, blind, or stupid.

  • CG

    Thanks for the post LJ, for laying out the sleight of hand plan for our economy. Not sure if there is intentional motive to take us to another realm of governance or not, but I am guessing the fuzzy math is based on a potential fairy tale that is not considered in the CBO’s or Washington Post’s analyses. That would be the myth(?) that the economy is really going to turn around dramatically from the stimulus because of Obama’s leadership, good looks and teleprompter, all in the land will be prosperous and the government will be collecting enormous revenues from the exuberant economy that have not yet been calculated. BTW Obama is not good looking at all, he’s cool, why he’s punk-like cool, but he definitely is not good looking, and he is annoyingly cocky like Dubya, and that is oh so unattractive to me.

  • http://Godhelpusall lee M

    The people behind Obama are the same people who were beind Jimmy Carter. Lay off the Kool-Aid and do a little research, and follow the money.

  • karen

    Can you tell us some specifics as to the ways you are preparing yourself for the inevitable?

  • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

    Julie, you’re not sure about the point? Well, that’s because you are an Obama Math Moron. Jesus, how frigging dense can you be? If Government spending is the answer to our problems or so beneficial than why is Barack Obama whining and crying about the Bush spending spree?

    You are brain cell deficient and beyond the reach of reason. If you double the deficit you are setting the stage for an inflationary spike. Very simple concept. Obviously beyond your ability to comprehend.

  • Ferd Berfle

    And I do not believe that Mr. O is “working very hard” to get us out of this economic mess. I think he is digging us deeper into a hole we will not be able to climb out of.

    Agreed. He isn’t doing shit a damn thing, if you ask me.

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    To be fair to Bush, Bush snorts cocaine, Obama smokes crack according to Larry Sinclair.

  • Doc99

    Get ready for Commandante Obama.
    It starts with the cult of personality.

  • tricia spiegel

    Yikes Larry, this is scary.

  • Andy

    Comparing Argentina to the U.S.? Is that a joke? Argentina has no where near the GDP fire power that the U.S. has in terms of paying down debt.

    Julie: I think you ought to learn more about Argentina….

    http://www.nowandfutures.com/us_argentina.html

    Things may not happen at the same scale but there are certainly troubling parallels at some levels and/or regions in the US.

  • Andy

    I second that Ferd. If something is clear is that PBO is NOT working hard at all; hey I am not sure he’s working much at all.
    PBO keeps campaigning and not doing the work of a POTUS.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy
  • Julie

    Typical Republican talking point comparing Carter and Obama and disparging Carter. There has been a lot of re-writing of history by Republicans of Carter and the Carter years.

    Why are you so sure that Carter some how mismanaged the economy?

    Most economists believe that the massive inflation and oil price shocks of the 1970′s damaged Jimmy Carter’s presidency and that Carter did not create the inflation or the oil shocks.

    “Jimmy Carter inherited a deeply troubled economy. The “great inflation” that is associated with his presidency in fact began in the latter part of the Johnson years, and the oil crisis Carter faced was the second oil price shock of the decade. In addition, a decline in worker productivity and a rise in competition from Germany and Japan compounded the nation’s economic problems.”

    “Carter cannot be blamed for the double-digit inflation that peaked on his watch, because inflation started growing in 1965 and snowballed for the next 15 years. To battle inflation, Carter appointed Paul Volcker as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, who defeated it by putting the nation through an intentional recession. Once the threat of inflation abated in late 1982, Volcker cut interest rates and flooded the economy with money, fueling an expansion that lasted seven years.”

    http://books.google.com/books?id=z5BwlqRzRAsC&dq=jimmy+carter+economy&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=b37FSeqENMrJtgfvuLjICg&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1

    The cut off of almost 6 million barrels a day by Iran result in the spike in oil and the oil crisis. Given that Carter had absolutely nothing to do with the Iranian revolution and no means of stopping it there was no way that he was at fault for the oil crisis.

    I personally think Carter was a great president, certainly one or our smartest. If you really want to know about Carter check out the movie “Man from Plains”. A great movie.

    http://www.sonyclassics.com/jimmycartermanfromplains/

    Carter has done more to make this world a better place than just about anyone. He lives a simple life. He is not off playing golf and making his corrupt millions as all other former presidents do, particularly the Republicans.

  • arran

    Krugman knew what I was worried about: if Geithner’s plan doesn’t work, is it possible to come back to Congress with plan B that might actually work? NO

    IMO–the banks should have fallen on their own sword and not expected us to bail them out, or, if true, refused the bail-out money “forced” on them by Paulsen. From the beginning Treasury has believed we have a confidence problem.

    I know we have an experience problem at the head.

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    Matt Taibbi: The Big Takeover

    The global economic crisis isn’t about money – it’s about power. How Wall Street insiders are using the bailout to stage a revolution

    Taibbi is one to talk. He wrote this huge fluff piece for Obama during the primary in Rolling Stone that trashed the Clintons in the most sexist terms.

  • CG

    That is hilarious, an awesome link.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Agreed, Andy. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a lazier President. Reagan had an excuse-he was older than Methuselah and Dubya lacked the discipline. I think That One simply doesn’t care. He got what he wanted. We’re in for four really screwed years.

  • Julie

    Personal insults are so below you Larry.

    You have a different take on economics. That is your right.

    By the way Bush was spending when the economy was relatively good and Obama is spending because the economy is bad. Big difference. 80 years of economic theory has shown that the time for the government to spend is when the economy is bad.

    And I am not sure Obama is only complaining about the Bush spending spree. He is complaining like the rest of us about Bush driving the economy off a cliff, which had more to do than just spending, although the spending that Bush did and the total the increase in the debt has made it much more costly to try and get us out of this mess.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    (i saw it on hotair)isn’t that hilarious!

  • arran

    Julie–we ain’t fighting the past. I was a yellow dog dem for 4 decades until June 6, 2008.

    Larry Johnson and the rest of us are discussing Obama’s proposed budget and the ten year deficit. We are worried about our, and the country’s, future.

    You’re not adding to the discussion one iota so go away.

  • Andy

    Indeed my friend, indeed…What a nightmare….

    BTW, love the “Methuselah” excuse (lol).

  • I’mFedUp

    Good lord…Does anyone who voted for Obama have a brain? Julie, unless and until you read the 1,400 page Porkfest I wonder why you are discussing it. It’s a joke, literally. And I will take the word of the non partisan groups and economists who agree, over the word of an Obot. Shame on you. And you should read a little more of the posts here…people who do their homework and have brains. We all know 100% that Obama’s not “working hard” to repair the mess. He’s partying, vacationing, bowling, whatever, while Rome burns. And for the love of God, do you really think he even bothered to actually read the Porkfest? Wow are you people silly.

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    He’s scary, scary, scary.

    This has nothing to do with race. That was PUMAs whole point: the content of his character, not the color of his skin.

    He’s a crazy, mofo on crack.

  • kinthenorthwest

    anyone interpret

  • Animal Control

    I had a tough day so thanks for making my evening more fun. Keep it coming Larry!

  • Julie

    not sure your link to some kind of US-Argentina analysis really says anything. great the global economies are coorelated. that analysis is a little old, don’t you think?

  • http://Godhelpusall lee M

    Sorry to disappoint you, Julie, but I am not a republican. I was a died in the wool democrat for over 30 years until this last election cycle. The dirty, scummy tricks that were played in this cycle so sickened me that I dropped all my Democratic clubs, and changed my registration to Independent. I worked in Jimmy Carter’s campaigns. I voted for Jimmy Carter. Nobody was a stronger supporter of him until I was presented with so many facts about how he was chosen for the Democratic nomination by David Rockefeller and the Trilateralist Comission. When I doubled checked and found evidence that over 26 members of the Trilateral Commission had been appointed by him to serve in his cabinet and administration I regretted every minute that I had spent singing his praises. I knocked on doors, stuffed envelopes, made phone calls and gave socials for him.

    So don’t try to tell me anything about Jimmy Carter. His recent palsy-walsy visits with Hamas are just icing on the cake. The peanut farmer would like to regain his 15 minutes of fame, but most of us are on to him now. He was not a great president – he was a nothing, a puppet being directed by the same entities that are directing Barack Obama. So a little reading and researching the facts.

  • Ferd Berfle

    80 years of economic theory has shown that the time for the government to spend is when the economy is bad.

    That assumes it is being spent on something worthwhile. I don’t think the kind of crap he wants to spend the public’s money on are wise expenditures. You are entitled to your opinion but you really ought to be posting it over at HuffnPuffPo since they seem to be more in tune with your sort of world view.

  • Peggy Sue

    Julie, you might want to take a gander at Paul Krugman’s column, hardly an arch conservative. This is the Obama/Geithner plan, the one we were suppose to have the first week, then the u-turn that was pronounced [because the original plan was just too, too risky for the American taxpayer], and now the great, mind-boggling plan to solve our economic woes and make the banks start rolling and lending again?

    Zombie banks! The same thing the Japanese did in the 90s with very ugly results.

    Link here:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/despair-over-financial-policy/?scp=1&sq=The%20Geithner%20plan%20has%20now%20been%20leaked%20in%20detail.&st=cse

    So please, before you start poo-poohing the ideas expressed here, start reading the details on what your dear leader has in store for us.

    Math Morons, uh huh. Looks like a new round of voodoo economics. Except Obama owns it this time.

    He wanted the job, remember?

  • http://Godhelpusall lee M

    Thank you American Girl in Italy – I really needed this at this time. There is so little humor in the country today that when on occasion something like this comes along I appreciate it twice as much. Thank you again.

  • http://Godhelpusall lee M

    Julie, you sound like a high school student writing a term paper on a subject that is way out of her reach. Try something a little less complex and be sure to do some thorough researching.

  • Andy

    Julie:

    I think you should read again: it’s comparing 2001 Arg, with 2008 US.

    It’s not “just a table”. Obviously you don’t know much about Argentina’s economy or you would understand the meaning of it and why certain elements resonate …

  • Snickers

    Julie,
    He is “working hard” at his bracket picks, his new comedy routine, his continued disrespect to world leaders who are our allies and trying to push hopey changey at countries who hate us. Then there is the continued disrespect for the vulnerable among us, continued misogyny and sexism, race baiting, homophobia. It’s campaign mode for him 24/7 with Mr. Teleprompter as his best bud.
    He doesn’t care about our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, States Rights, or individual liberties. What he does care about is redistributing the wealth – everybody else’s that is, not his own – and continuing his amazing adventure of being America’s best ever Rock Star.
    And while we are facing the most egregious economic situation – an uncharted territory – he continues to shoot hoops, go on special Valentine’s Day dates, and special signing events, all over the country on our money, when we have no money left in the piggy bank. That bank was broken and all that was left after the carpet baggers scooped up the money, are the IOUs.
    The handwriting was on the wall when he and the DNC spent more than a billion dollars to steal this election, thereby defrauding the American people, staging a ludricous greek-columned nomination selection, costing several million dollars more, his victory celebration in Chicago for winning Chief Thief, his over-the-top inauguration, his $100+ a pound beef party for his special Bots, his non-stimulating bill, his omnibus stealing bill, and now compounding everything already perpetrated on the public, trying to ram his unspeakable budget through. I’m an immigrant to this country and I’m proud to be an American every single day. That One, he doesn’t even know his own name. He’s a bigger scam artist than Madoff. And we’re supposed to pay the piper.

  • Peggy Sue

    I lived through the Carter years. I voted for Carter. There’s no doubt he’s a well-intentioned man, but he was one awful President. Windfall profit tax on the oil companies? I can tell you what that brought–oil shortages, endless gas lines and people in LA shooting one another over gasoline. Interest rates were so high, no one could afford a house. Or much else. And the sanctamonious sermons the public received on a regular basis?

    I’ve said this before: if I want a preaching, I go to Church. A president is commander-in-chief, not preacher-in-chief.

    Jimmy Carter is far better at being an ex-President. So, I don’t need the movie. I for one lived those years. And they weren’t memorable.

  • WMCB

    Spending that GETS OUT TO THE PEOPLE can be helpful during a down cycle. Spending trillions that goes straight to the pockets of one’s hedge fund buddies and overseas bankers does nothing but dig the hole deeper.

    Wake up. The details of Geithner’s plan release today amount to nothing more than an Enron scheme on a massive and almost unimaginable scale, with the taxpayers playing the part of shareholder patsies.

    Wake up. He is not fixing what Bush put in motion, he is finishing the job Bush started. Wake. Up.

  • lark

    Snickers, you forgot the nice New Years video-card he sent to the Iranian Ayatollahs.

  • Snickers

    Oops, Lark. My mistake. :)

  • Ferd Berfle

    That Julie writes a lot like that obot believe/debbie from last summer. Oh, brother, here we go again.

  • I’mFedUp
  • I’mFedUp

    Oh yeah, and the letter he wrote to the wrong President of France.

  • Ferd Berfle

    I always snickered when Reagan would take a question from someone in the press and the answer would always start with the word “well”….

  • I’mFedUp

    I’ve seen a lot of Obot nonsense, but singing the praises of Carter is a real dead giveaway about brain matter. I’ve really never heard anyone, until Julie today, call Carter a great President. Never. It’s been getting knee deep in Bot Poo ever since that Leno mess by OIdiot. Ferd was right. Here we go again….Everyone break out the waders…

  • J.J. (The PUMA)

    But Larry, isn’t inflation the perfect way of reducing the real burden of our national debt? And does it not have the side benefit of helping the debtor class at the expense of the lending class, thereby redistributing wealth? Isn’t it not in fact better that we destroy the means of production of the private sector so that there will less deploitation of the working class?

    Signed,

    Groucho Marx &
    John Lennon

  • I’mFedUp

    DOC99…great one, thanks. I love that we’re all talking the mentality of Castro, Chavez and this country’s new look – that of a “Banana Republic.”

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    Narcissists can be sadistic. He enjoys scaring the American public and progressives with these Wall Street bailouts.

  • WMCB

    Hell, I campaigned for Carter, and still think he’s one of the nicest, most well-intended people on the planet. He sucked at the presidency, though.

    I lived it. I faced those outrageous mortgage rates, those gas lines, the runaway inflation. Regardless of whether he started it, he did not respond to it effectively.

  • catherine

    This has George Soros finger prints all over it.

  • mom

    Julie,

    It is difficult to read your post because you end your first several sentences, which are all statements, with question marks? And my brain just wants to explode? Trying to read a statement with a question mark at the end is like trying to open a can with a corkscrew?

    Sorry, hun, you would do better to introduce your arguments with slicker presentation? And then it would also do you some good to some good to reconsider your argument itself? But I imagine you’re a mere teen or something, because you write like one? So I won’t be to harsh on you?

    Maybe write back after you’ve seen some college?

  • mom

    oops correction.

    should read “too harsh on you”

    and yes i’ve seen some college. just typing too fast.

    gasp

  • mom

    Another correction:

    Ok. On second glance, they’re not ALL statements with question marks at the end. But at least two of them are. And it’s annoying.

  • Cubs in 09

    …that works out to adding $6166 dollars of debt to every man, woman and child in the United States. That’s the estimate for just this year. If you are married and have two children you are adding almost $25,000 to your debt burden.

    …the root cause of the Great Depression was…
    the reckless expansion of credit that preceded it.”

    —Michael Shedlock

    http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

    This sucker’s goin’ down.

    —George W. Bush

  • Cubs in 09

    1. Stay out of debt.
    2. Keep cash for several months (in a secret place)
    3. Buy CDs (those are Certificates of Deposit, Julie).
    4. Keep gold/silver (in another secret place).
    5. Stock up on can goods.
    6. Keep your powder dry.

  • Cubs in 09

    3b. Buy bonds (for the short/intermediate term).

  • Cubs in 09

    5. canned goods

  • so saddened

    julie tells us how great carter was and recites “facts” that are simply not true. many of us, myself included, were around in the carter years, and actually voted for him, a much-regretted action.

    i was also around for a number of presidents before him and actually lived through what julie mis-describes. inflation was a non-factor most of the two decades before carter. then, during his term and because of his actions, it was out of control. i recall getting a 10% mortgage during his term and being happy about it, as some paid much, much more! i recall stable, almost fixed, gas prices in the 60s and early 70s, then dramatic jumps and gas lines during carter’s term.

    julie tells us inflation snowballed starting in 1965, tells us “great inflation” started in the johnson years, etc. she tells us all this based on material she read and material she saw in a movie. some of us were there.

    a little lesson, julie. read more than one book. read from sources that don’t have an agenda. read from sources that have an agenda that’s the opposite of what you want to believe. verify the facts. think things through, trying hard to not allow your personal biases to affect your judgment. don’t believe everything you hear/read. and, for heaven’s sake, doubt ANYTHING you’re taught in college if it’s colored by some professor’s opinion (which most of it is). if you do all this and still think carter was a great president, i would suggest you seek medical treatment.

  • http://www.sonicninakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    Julie, Keynesian economics do not work, period, end of story. Keynes was widely refuted decades ago and there are hundreds of economists out there who argue vehemently using logic and data AGAINST what the Obama administration is doing. The MSM largely ignores them.

    See http://www.lewrockwell.com for excellent daily articles (10 or so every weekday) discussing the folly of our present economic course. If you have time for a book, try Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest and Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics or, for something more advanced, The Failure of the New Economics, both by Henry Hazlitt. The second is a thorough refutation of Keynes’ General Theory.

    Politicians and media people confuse the ability to “do something” with the need to do something. It’s not about democrat/republican–they are both guilty of mucking things up. We should not ‘do’ anything but let unprofitable businesses shut down and allow the markets to reset themselves. This involve some pain, though, and is not a politically viable option. Politicians and media people are intellectually attracted to a system they believe needs their deliberate intervention (to paraphrase Hayek). They believe they are so darned smart, gifted, and the saviors of this economy and cannot keep their meddling little mitts off of it!!! We originally got into this mess is because of their interference and lack of proper enforcement of regulations meant to provide a smooth pathway for the markets!!!!!

    The real problem is that by avoiding the short term pain, our so-called ‘leaders’ are setting us all up for tremendous long term pain which is looking more and more irreparable.

  • http://www.sonicninakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    Lee M, I really think you are on to it. It sounds very ‘out there’ so it’s difficult to discuss it without people thinking you are wacko, but everything Obama is doing points in that very direction, so what else are we to surmise?

    We need to bring this dialog out in the open.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    Ellen? Ellen’s all three things if she thinks Obama has her interests at heart.

    But, as we’ve learned, Obots are the worst kind of stupid, naive, and blind.

    They actually believe their own and Obama’s BS.

  • elise

    Yes! And it doesn’t take a genius to understand. Only common sense. When Geithner testified before the senate he was repeatedly asked where the money was coming from. Are we going to borrow more from China? China has said no. Any other countries out there willing to bet on our country right now? No! The UN is talking about a global currency to replace the dollar as the instrument of credit just as George Soros predicted months ago. If they print more, in spite of what people like Julie think, we will face massive inflation. Argentina didn’t think it could happen to them either and being “too big to fail” is clearly a non sequitur.

  • no kidding

    ferd — Instead of stopping his grand agenda of Single Payer Healthcare and Cap and Trade which will make energy bills go through the roof. Obama wants Democrats to find a way to pass these bills without hearings and with no Republican votes. Also he wants these passed with just a majority vote instead of the 60 votes required. Let me see, no one read the Stimulus Bill and now no one gets to find out whats in the Healthcare Bill until its law.

  • no kidding

    If we gave every American 1 Million that would only come to 300 Million and you can be sure people would be spending like crazy. Instead Obama wants to spend 9.3 Trillion and bankrupt the country. Go figure.

  • Ellen D

    What happens when the world’s biggest economy has uncontrolled inflation? Has it ever happened before? In the early part of this decade, when Argentina fell apart, the Argentine government froze all bank accounts, only allowing minimum withdrawals. In these cases it’s standard that no money be allowed out of the country. People with money convert it to something they can get out. In the case of Argentina, people tried to get their money to the U.S. If the U.S. is totally messed up, and Europe is messed up, and Asia is messed up, where is safe haven for money? Canada may have the most stable banking system in the world, but it is joined at the hip with the U.S. economically. There is no sanctuary.

  • I’mFedUp

    Nokidding has just given us the EXACT reason Obama is a fraud, liar and pawn for our enemies. All we would have to do is give hard working AMERICANS some cash and the economy would ‘stimulate’ itself. The rest of this crap by the Fraud is clearly the puppets who own him watching him tank America. If you’re not outraged, you have no brain.

  • Ellen D

    Too late to tell people to stay out of debt.

    CDs will mature in dollars that will be worth way less than the original deposit.

    This plan doesn’t seem to work for runaway inflation.

  • Don

    Multiplying $1,000,000.00 times 300,000,000 people is just a little more than $300 million dollars!

  • Lyn

    But alot of us were saying that during the Primaries and then the GE, but of course we were just called stupid, bitter old racists.

  • http://liberalrapture.com/ John (from Liberal Rapture)

    Thanks for this post, Larry. I have come to conclude that inflation – wild inflation – is the goal.

  • Cubs in 09

    Made beaucoup bucks in the 70′s on CDs paying 15+% . Not to mention the free gifts given out by the banks, like toasters and salad shooters. :grin:

    But that’s a ways off….

    Inflation is now at 0.02%. That’s virtually zero. In fact, we’re heading into a deflationary period. That means cash is king. If you want to earn interest buy bonds (US Treasuries).

  • Cubs in 09

    Make sure each account is insured by FDIC or NCUA (National Credit Union Administration). The limit of $250,000 has been extended to 12/31/2009.

  • lark

    no kidding learned math by using a calculator and his calculator only displays up to nine digits, okay. Is one of those from the dollar store.

  • lark

    No sanctuary. Obama may want to become president of the world.

  • Brendy

    Universities and colleges are filled with nothing BUT “politically correct”, mind controlling, endoctrinating, high-brow (aka ‘weirdos’) professors who try to ‘teach’ their lefist, socialist ideas on their students (of whom, many are already left-leaning) – so their ‘teachings’ are welcomed by most of these students. Afterall, THAT is ONE way how Obama won – by young, college (far left, brainwashed) attending students.

  • Brendy

    No offense, “mom”, but one doesn’t need ‘some college’ to have ‘common sense’.

  • Brendy

    Oh my!!! Any time someone disagrees with “The One” is now not a ‘true’ democrat. Oh, boo hoo!!! Hitler would LOVE someone like you!!!

  • NoBamaNoWay

    heh heh. that makes all the difference.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Agreed.

    no one read the Stimulus Bill and now no one gets to find out whats in the Healthcare Bill until its law.

    I’m beginning to think none of the bozos are capable of reading and associated comprehension. The same thing happened with the Patriot Act. I’m of the opinion they’re all a bunch of automatons programmed to a party rather than American line. I know I wouldn’t hire any of them to take out my trash.

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    You should read the first comment after that story!

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    I think Julie should wait in a gas line for hours and think about this some more!

  • heather

    AG, I notice more and more here people talking about Glenn Beck. Have you always listened to him?

  • (trying to get over it)

    that type of verbal “uptick” tends to mean you are in a conversations with a clueless 20 something! it’s a version of the ever-present “like” — they both indicate a tentative, approval-seeking speaker-writer…

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    No, I just recently started. I mostly just catch his videos online. I will only watch MSNBC in the morning during Morning Joe, and then switch to FOX. My friend listens to him, and told me about him a while ago. He is too extreme on some things for me, but I like some of the things he says. And it is entertaining.

  • CentralMass

    Yup.

  • CentralMass

    I fairness. The first oil crisis, the oil embargo occurred under Nixon watch. Opec slashed oil production in reponse to the U.S supporting Israel during the Yom Kippur War. We had the odd/even plate number rationing scheme and long lines. Carter inherited it. The price of crude had quadrupled by the time Carter took office and it had dire effects on the economy.

    The next one came with the fall of the Shah of Iran in 1979 along with Iraq’s invasion of Iran, shutting off Iran’s oil production.

  • CentralMass

    The “why are dwelling on the past” line seema to be an Obamacrat talking point. I’ve read it elsewhere.

  • CentralMass

    The “why are dwelling on the past” line seems to be an Obamacrat talking point. I’ve read it elsewhere.

  • xax

    I’m not even going to bother to de construct this non argument. The use of the word “disinflationary” tells me all I need to know.

  • mary

    But I thought Obummer took Math and Physics in Grade 3 in Indonesia and was awarded the Indonesian Kindergarten Nobel Prize in Finance! Please. His Hopeness knows what He is doing very well, thank you, Larry! Give the Genius some time! (epitaph writers are in business!)

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