RSS Feed for This PostCurrent Article

[Updated] Chávez Calls Obama an “Ignoramus”

Susan’s Notes: Well!!! It’s happened, after all the conjecture the past few days speculating if the two men would meet. Today, they shook hands. From the April 18, 2009 Times UK, “President Obama in historic handshake with Hugo Chavez of Venezuela“:

chavez-obama-s

All the conjecture and today’s meeting reminded me of Truthteller’s excellent piece on March 22, “Chávez Calls Obama an ‘Ignoramus’,” which we’re reprinting for your amusement:

No Quarter is a loose but raucous chorus of discordant voices. Some of us are centrists, others are hawkish Democrats, some view themselves as reformers, a few are resolutely independent and others are hugo-chavezunabashed Leftists. Consider me one of the latter. In this essay I will not criticize Chávez, and I will not repeat all the threadbare rhetorical bludgeons such as socialist, communist, totalitarian or dictatorial many use to dismiss Chávez and his democratically elected government. If that is what you are seeking, I recommend you take your dossier and go somewhere else.

But at least consider this before you rush for the exit: the candidate who claimed “negotiations without preconditions” would yield amicable and cooperative relations with Iran, Cuba and Venezuela has literally had his Ferragamo shoe shoved squarely in his programmed mouth by Hugo Chávez. I quote Reuters:

Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez said on Sunday his U.S. counterpart Barack Obama was at best an “ignoramus” for saying the socialist leader exported terrorism and obstructed progress in Latin America.

“He goes and accuses me of exporting terrorism: the least I can say is that he’s a poor ignoramus; he should read and study a little to understand reality,” said Chavez, who heads a group of left-wing Latin American leaders opposed to the U.S. influence in the region.

Negotiations with Chávez and the Leftist Latin American coalition are now foreclosed as a result of Obama’s garrulity and glibness. How else would one expect a country to react if one claims its largest export is terrorism? Here is one effect:

Chavez said Obama’s comments had made him change his mind about sending a new ambassador to Washington, after he withdrew the previous envoy in a dispute last year with the Bush administration in which he also expelled the U.S. ambassador to Venezuela.

Obama really is the Democratic incarnation of Bush: so much for change, and so much for meaningful negotiations. Not only are our relations with our neighbors Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Paraguay, El Salvador and Brazil strained; the Mexican government has raised tariffs on our exports, and we are the subject of much ridicule in the British press.

Venezuela, many of you may recall, is an ally of Iran, and Chávez will visit that and other countries in the Middle East in a few days for a summit of leaders from South American and Arab countries. Iran just rebuffed Obama’s recent attempt at negotiations with television and teleprompter, dismissing the staged spectacle as so many “slogans.” Democrats in the US may be duped by Obama’s empty rhetoric, media simulations and other mass ornaments, but true Leftists are always ones to lift the hood and investigate the true operations of the apparatus power utilizes against them. Unlike Andrew Sullivan, they are not mesmerized by brands and “faces;” they need a bit more than just images and surfaces. No wonder why Chávez calls Obama an “ignoramus.” I imagine he thinks that term also applies to all of Obama’s easily duped supporters.

What can one expect now that Obama has alienated Iran, Venezuela and all their allies in the Middle East and South and Central America? Oil prices will rise, trade agreements will become increasingly strained, tariffs on exports will probably increase, the price of imports will increase, and all the populist movements in countries wherein impoverished citizens are demanding something that resembles a suitable standard of living will be hostile instead of receptive to the United States’s particular version of democracy and global unity. With our economy spiraling into bankruptcy this can only engender more problems abroad, especially if our European allies feel we are exacerbating the distrust many countries have for what can broadly be defined as the West. Here is Russia admonishing the US in the wake of Obama’s failed attempt to engage Iran:

Meanwhile, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said there was no proof that Iran is trying to develop a nuclear weapon and urged the West to respect and reach out to the Islamic republic.

While I opposed Obama during the primaries for his lack of an ideological compass and his lack of a bold domestic agenda that would expand social services and thereby provide more Americans with equal access to power and resources, I thought his foreign policy, however vaguely defined, however utterly naïve, however hopelessly optimistic, would enable the United States to marshall the energy generated by all the New Social Movements, populist upheavals and new articulations of ethnic identity occurring throughout the world and funnel it toward a global understanding wherein difference and empathy would be celebrated and cultivated. Instead, we have more of the strained relations that were aggravated under Bush. Chávez, who is the face of some Leftist and New Social Movements, views us as antagonists to be shunned, as colonizers to be ousted, as representatives of a late capitalist hegemony that for him and his followers is the latest iteration of enslavement to the West. Obama promised to change this perception with his “negotiations without preconditions,” but instead all he did was reinvigorate it.

That Obama and his staff are reproducing the errors of Bush does not surprise me. Hopefully Hillary will help Obama out of this latest problem he has created for us. After all, it takes a Clinton to clean the mess created by a Bush. And Obama, to be sure, is nothing more than the Democratic Party’s version of George W. Bush. Indeed, he is nothing more than an ignoramus.

  • Lyn

    Don’t forget he also upset the French by sending his letter to Chirac, who hasn’t been in power for the last 2 years, offering to work with him the next 4 years, instead of Sarkozy

    • desgans

      Les US sont en train de s’auto détruire, et les américains applaudissent, BHO est ridicule et nous fait bien rire.

      FRANCE

      • I’mFedUp

        Well, if I read what desgans wrote…America is destroying itself, applauding Obama, while France laughs its ass off. Something like that. But we already know the rest of the world is laughing at us.

        • Seattle Moss

          Im fed Up!

          I have lived all over the world and as a Patriotic American have had to defend this country against those the are envious and jealous of the United States power and influence.
          The left wing has it so wrong. They believe that we just need to be nice and everything will be just peachy.
          Americans have played right into the psychology of what the world wants for America
          Capitulation and self loathing. Retreat and defeat while the rest of the world positions itself to fill the void of our power.

          The world will only like us when we have given up our power and are enslaved to others influence.

          • lark

            Which means when he have no more industrial output to talk about and beg to our energy importers to give us some more credit.

            • Seattle Moss

              When we have no more industrial output we will be unable to continue our military supremacy.

              I talked with a loonie this weekend that believes that Iran has every right to be an equal power in the middle east.
              What the pacifist fails to understand is that Iran wants us out of the middle east, calls for the destruction of Israel and finances terrorists.
              This same pacifist believes that America should accept being attacked again as punishment for our involvement and war in Iraq.
              National suicide!

              • I’mFedUp

                The loonie left all needs to be put on a bus and taken to a mental health care facility in Cuba. It’s either that, or the Fraud’s Banana Republic of America dream comes true.

                • Seattle Moss

                  The left wing are weenies and wimps so the first smell of a fight by those of us patriots which understand and defend the constitution will rout them so bad that they will run with their collective tails between their legs.

                  Those that want to defend America are infinitely stronger than those that want to destroy America.

          • L

            I lived and worked in Japan for a short time
            many years ago. My boss who was Japanese was
            educated at SMU and told me on more than one
            occasion that he hated Americans and thought
            we were ignorant and lazy. I think we waste
            too much time wanting the rest of the world
            to like us. The fact is when you are on top
            most everyone is envious and wants what you
            have. As long as we are a strong and powerful
            country we will be disliked. When we become
            the wimpy weak country that that Obama is
            leading us toward we will be mocked.

        • desgans

          Je respecte l’Amérique et les Américains, avec Hillary Clinton à la tête de ce grand pays, vous auriez pu être très fiers , c’est une grande dame très compétente !
          Bonne chance à vous tous qui souffrez.

          • FrenchNail

            Translation:

            I respect the US and the US people, Hillary as the leader of such great nation would have made you real proud, being such a really able Lady! Good luck to you all in your suffering.

            • Ani

              Amen.

      • Ani

        The U.S. are in the process of self destruction, and Americans applaud, BHO is ridiculous and makes us laugh.

        Above is the closest translation I can find.

        • Ferd Berfle

          Above is the closest translation I can find.

          That quote is spot on. Thanks for the translation, Ani.

    • FrenchNail

      And now Sarko is saying that Obama is not always up to par on decision-making and efficiency

      See some insider comments on Obama’s wavering behavior at the G20.

      http://europumas.over-blog.com/article-30338564.html

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    I never thought I would say this, but I agree with Chavez.

    • trixta

      Great article! I’m stunned! Obama can’t even manage to keep the farce going abroad! And yes, Hillary will have to clean up his mess!

      Democrats in the US may be duped by Obama’s empty rhetoric, media simulations and other mass ornaments, but true Leftists are always ones to lift the hood and investigate the true operations of the apparatus power utilizes against them.

      So true(!), but I would also add that some honorable citizens in the center and the right are also not duped. This growing coalition who see the emperor without clothes is why Obama should be very afraid in 2012.

    • termo

      I’m with you – particularly after watching the less than stellar performance with slo-pitch Steve Croft on “60 Minutes.” Even Croft commented on what was more immature behavior (laughing while he was describing the economic problems).

    • http://thenewagenda.net/ Woman Voter

      Chávez, said what many would have liked but couldn’t. Chávez being a ‘black’ leader (who by the way, has never made an issue of it…just sees himself as Venezuelan) he said it and it was about the lack of experience and his behavior and nothing more.

      Obama should be prepared to receive more, now that Chávez has opened up the ‘Diplomatic Forum of Criticism’ for other global leaders.

    • lark

      But you are wrong because Chavez is wrong.

      What Chavez wants to call smart is the ability that he has of pitching people one against the other in an unending saga of personal animosity between societal groups. So, I think Obama is a master at that. Venezuelan is simpler a little smaller and more homogenized than America. But make no mistake about it, Obama will overtake Chavez very soon in the social upheaval category. Chavez has been at his gig for more than ten years. Obama is just in its infancy, but he’ll get where he wants to get. Obama always gets what he wants.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Orszag defended the president’s agenda in a conference call with reporters, noting that the forecast of bigger deficits and mounting debt is largely because of the CBO’s view that the recession will be more severe and the recovery more tepid than the White House expects.

    .

    I ignoramus.

    TruthTeller, if I had a portfolio…
    On point and well presented. Thanks.

    • jwrjr

      So Obama knows more about the Economy than the CBO? Yeah, right.

    • http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog Truthteller

      Thank you, TeakWood.

  • AF catfish

    Ignoramous and punch drunk. Tonight’s 60 Minutes:

    His remarks came in a “60 Minutes” interview in which he was pressed by an incredulous Steve Kroft for laughing and chuckling several times while discussing the perilous state of the world’s economy.

    “You’re sitting here. And you’re— you are laughing. You are laughing about some of these problems. Are people going to look at this and say, ‘I mean, he’s sitting there just making jokes about money—’ How do you deal with— I mean: explain. . .” Kroft asks at one point.

    “Are you punch-drunk?” Kroft says.

    “No, no. There’s gotta be a little gallows humor to get you through the day,” Obama says, with a laugh.

    • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      Holy cow. This man is just unbelievable!!

      Chirac instead of Sarkozy is just ignorant. Once again, it highlights just how right Clinton, and the REST of the Dem. candidates, were abt how woefully unprepared Obama was on foreign policy. I bet even THEY didn’t think he’d blow the name of the current French president!

      I guess Obama forgot that Chavez also exported oil to poor people in this country when they couldn’t afford to heat their homes. Not that Chavez is all good, but an exporter of terrorism? That seems to be a bit of a stretch…

      Thanks, Truthteller – love your post!!

      • AF catfish

        Gallows humor is apparently what we need from our president, RRRAmy!

        Wish we could get verification of the Chirac/Sarkozy thing. I’m relying on the right wing media to fact-check this one (can’t believe I’m saying this, but thank god for the right-wing press!)

        • CentralMass

          It sort of like have two houses of ill-repute opening shop next door to each other. Each vying for the best customers, members of Congress.

        • candymarl

          Le Figaro, a French newspaper, confirmed it.

          • I’mFedUp

            http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/03/obama-upsets-sarkozy-with-letter-to.html

            From Gateway Pundit on El Fraudo writing the letter to the wrong President of France. This is just plain damned ridiculous friends.

          • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

            I have been watching this story, and still unsure about it.

            I just find it SO hard to believe that Obama doesn’t know Sarkozy is the Pres… I thought they have already met, etc. I read Obama was responding to a letter from Chirac.

            I am still unsure about this… perhaps they are working together on something specific? I have no doubt he was kissing his ass as far as opposing the war.

            But I can’t imagine he is THAT idiotic that he forgot about Sarkozy??

            I wanted to write about this, but I wanted to be sure first.

            • I’mFedUp

              AGI…I have no idea either. I did see the article from Le Figaro so WTF? At this point, nothing, nothing he does surprises me.

      • trixta

        Rabble — you are sooo right!

      • http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog Truthteller

        Thank you, Amy.

        • Dawnelle

          Great Article TT and I agree!

          The big scary boogie man called “terrorism” was always the running blown up story of the LAST disaster of an admin.

          WTfig is goin on? Can these elitest yuppy yups be THIS DENSE???
          OR STUBBORN???

          I always thought it was the faux cowboy that was the MOST STUBBORN!

          Not a chance! These CRAZY moonbats from Obamaland are not only dense, but DANGEROUS TO US.

          W WAS ONLY DANGEROUS TO OTHER COUNTRIES WHICH WAS BAD ENOUGH!

      • http://thenewagenda.net/ Woman Voter

        Rabble Rouser reverend Amy,

        One thing that has amazed me is how on the Obama website, they edited the closing part of 60 minutes where Kroft mentioned his experience: Writing a book and running his campaign.

        Anyone have a clip of that? Isn’t that what we were all saying, that he had no record, except that? It wasn’t anything more than we wanted an person with experience during these most troubled times. Anyone, have the ending clip? That would be a good post, because in many ways it validates what we were saying and continue to say, but no one would listen, especially the DNC.

  • Phishmelt

    i figured if bush hated chavez, then he probably isn’t that bad. and for the northeast where i am, he had given money to the poor during the winter for heating when our own oil companies didn’t give a dime to anyone.

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    Having a friend from Venezuela, who has told me of his government’s takeover of the media and private-owned land, I do think most of the harsh criticism of Chavez is warranted.

    However, I agree with the rest of the article comparing Obama to Bush.

  • felizarte

    Why is Obama making Hillary’s job as SOS by making such terrible pronouncements and initiatives e,g, misguided/naive letters to foreign leaders? Is he trying to make Hillary look as incompetent as the rest of his administration?

    • AF catfish

      He can’t think that far ahead. He just wants attention. He didn’t clear his statements with anybody. He’s kind of a free-association president.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Obama really is the Democratic incarnation of Bush

    Spot on!

    and

    Unlike Andrew Sullivan, they are not mesmerized by brands and “faces;” they need a bit more than just images and surfaces. No wonder why Chavez calls Obama an “ignoramus.” I imagine he thinks that term also applies to all of Obama’s easily duped supporters.

    Indeed. We operate in the REALITY based world. And funny that like Sullivan and the other Obots that are shallow and greedy who do vote based on labels…facade, they also voted for BUSH. Just like Scott McClellan, Powell, Buckley and the list goes on.

    • I’m a Linda too

      Great post truthteller.

      • http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog Truthteller

        Thank you.

    • politicalidentitycrisis

      Please, I am no fan of Bush, but comparing him to Obama is way too big an insult, even for Bush.

      • Dawnelle

        lmao

        like two sides of the same damn big eared coin mon

  • need to know

    When Obama made his world tour during the primaries, he spoke with Sarkozy and knows full well he’s the French Premier. No doubt Obummer was annoyed because Sarkozy called him naive, and he thinks this is getting even. Sarkozy was being generous in his assessment.

    • AF catfish

      I remember that. Sarkozy noticed how shallow Obama’s understanding of world affairs was.

    • FLDemFem

      So 0bummer proved he isn’t naive by being childish?
      Good move..snicker

  • CG

    Truthteller, so glad to read your post, and gain insight on your perspective on what’s happening globally. You are so right, Obama is the Democratic Party’s incarnate of George W., though not the cowboy variety, the hip-hop punk version; both are pompous and cocky. It’s got to be tough for Hillary to so delicately undo the damage, when these countries know Obama is still capable of another sloppy or callous comment or gesture that will surely undo her effort to smooth things over (Hillary’s one step forward, Barack’s two steps back diplomatic dance). It is very difficult to forgive the DNC for forcing this inexperience and naivety on us at a time when things are so grave, this over competence. Undoubtedly the DNC leadership people were suckered with greed for fresh money and a young, naive and easily influenced group of new voters.

    In a matter of days we may hear from Fitzgerald regarding Blagojevich. Hopefully you will have the opportunity to analyze the outcome, and maybe explain what is happening with Rezco, and Daley, with your ever precise and brilliant touch. Looking forward to your next post…

    • http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog Truthteller

      Thank you, CG.

  • rw

    Chavez has been accused for years of selling arms to FARC, that’s where the terrorism charge comes, I imagine. Plus accused of meddling financially in the politics of Ecuador, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Argentina…

    Regardless of the above, Chavez is a buffoon. The truths he speaks are surrounded by a lot of nonsense, posturing and plain ole bs. A lot of grandstanding…gee, sounds just like Obama.

    He also said, Is it that there is a new government in the US or is Bush still governing?

  • AF catfish

    This is some scary stuff, Iran-Venezuala alliances with a little Putin thrown in the mix.

    I would be scared shitless but I’m suffering scared shitless fatigue.

    Very thorough and informative analysis, Truthteller.

  • I’mFedUp

    Very insightful, amazing post. Thank you. And, yes, I am terrified. The biggest fear I have always had is that Obama’s perceived weakness and incompetence would expose us butt nekkit to the rest of the world. It’s really hard to deal with this.

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com Seattle Moss

    After all the hype of Obama talking with our enemies all we got was a lousy U-tube video. A video to be reprised again and again by our enemies.
    I wonder what the Obots think now that their idols in Iran and Venezuela have shoved the hollow gesture right back in Obama’s face.

  • mary

    Truthteller

    Loved your “Loose and raucous chorus of discordant voices”!!!!

  • mary

    Truthteller

    Forgot to mention that I agree that Obama’s (other) big mistake was to say that Argentina exports terrorism! No way to enamour a country that will soon be conducting influential talks with Iran which itself is about to embark on rather hopeful and somewhat democratic elections! Why is The Boy Wonder (I am not a racist!) so insistent on blowing his own agenda of love and peace and dreamy hope anyway?
    He should have let Hillary prepare the video to Iran’s leadership.
    Better still, he should have sent the SoS to Tehran! She would have had Khomeini learning the words to the stars and stripes! And as for Chavez, she’s got a fondness for Latin American countries and she is RESPECTFUL (the antonym to ‘Obama’) of world leaders and would never diminish them, regardless of her own views!

    Barack as Prez is like having your teenage son at the steering wheel of your brand new family SUV or old beaten up Volkwagen Golf….If the former, it’d be converted into the latter at the end of the evening anyway…

    Lots of mending world fences that only a Global Ambassador like Hillary can do. YES, SHE CAN!…

    It’s sad to witness Barry’s own demise when so much depends on his (missing) maturity….And that’s the Truth!!!

  • Retired

    It would appear that the rogue nations of the world–Iran and Venezuala to name two–perceive Obama as being weak, and even having a Secretary of State that has some savvy and guts isn’t going to make up for that. Russia and China are acting like vultures sitting on high tree branches waiting to see what happens to a wounded man. Even the Obama-compliant MSM is beginning to ask questions when faced with the undeniable ineptness not only of the President but those who surround him. The nation’s best and brightest of all political stripes seem to be saying, “I think we’ll sit this one out,” not that it matters much because Obama and his inner circle are so self-deluding that they are only approaching liberals to fill positions. For some reason those liberals, who sung Obama’s praises during the campaign and giddily bantered about how they were looking forward to serving the Obama “movement,” now are ducking his phone calls. They can’t all have tax problems, can they? No, they are all talk and no action when the chips are down and it’s time for them to step into the arena and serve the One with their public reputations on the line.

    Although it is still early days, at this point in time it looks like there is one hell of a Tea Party coming over the next four years. Conservatives, centrists and even a few liberals are breaking out feathers, warpaint and tomahawks. There are signs of an economy getting ready to resist the Three Stooges’ (Obama, Reid, Pelosi) plan for nationalization/socialization and move out smartly despite the “stimulus” plan. Let’s face it, when the nation’s best known brand of condom starts fielding ads making fun of your emergency legislcation, you are about to become an object of widespread national, if not international, derision.

    Of course, this was all predicted by No Quarter before the election.

    • TeakwoodKite

      What is BO’s “stale date” ya think Retired?

      It would appear that after a point, he will not be taken seriously and will be irrelevent in ways that Bush never was…

    • elise

      Retired, bots are “Progressives” not liberals. True liberals supported Hillary and refused to vote for him.

  • elise

    Truthteller, I have never understood why our government gets involved in the politics and elections in South America. I’m not familiar with all of them, but I know Mexico and Argentina have no military strength at all. Most of the countries are small and poor. Some of our interference is not strictly ideological. Bush picked this fight with Chavez and I’ve never really understood the point. The US Cuban policy hasn’t made any sense for years. We will trade with China and ignore human rights abuses there, but no administration since JFK has tried to reach out to a potential consumer of American goods ninety miles from FL. Our government became involved in the civil war in Nicaragua. sold weapons to contras, funneled the money to buy weapons for Iran in their war with Iraq. Daniel Ortega, the Sandinista leader, was re-elected as president two years ago in spite of interference by the US. If I recall, Bush threatened to withhold aid to Uruguay when they refused to sign an agreement to not participate in charges brought against anyone for the conduct of the war in Iraq. If I’ve made any mistakes in my facts, feel free to correct me. I usually research before making a comment, but this time I’m relying on my memory.

    OT, I got into a shouting match today with my brother-in-law at my mother-in-law’s home and now I need to call her and apologize for my big mouth. My brother-in-law is completely blind and knows nothing. He’s happy we have “an honest president”. He really believes Obama raised nearly a billion dollars from $10-20 donations. I’m so depressed.

    Thank you for your post. Your description of nq is exactly right and why I love it here.

    • andrew191

      And you call yourself a pacifist? (I knew you weren’t serious).

      I think you might agree that a pacifist is a close equivelent to a non-combatant.

      NON-COMBATANT, n. A dead Quaker. (Ambrose Bierce)

      I LOVE Ambrose!!!

      • elise

        Perhaps you’re right andrew. I’m non-violent by nature, but also opinionated and my big mouth is something I have labored for years to control. My parents did their best.

        • andrew191

          I will aknowledge that you can gracefully accept an occassional poke in the ribs. I’m sure your parents did a fine job. ( I don’t know how to make one of those yellow smiley faces)

          • elise

            I’ll imagine the smiley face. It might help when I call my mother-in-law and offer my apologies.

            • andrew191

              Good luck, and good night.

              • JustMe~~

                :)

                Elise all will be well….

      • candymarl

        Quakers put their lives on the line to smuggle slaves to freedom. You can be pacifist and not be weak.

  • CG

    Hillary will have her work cut out for her… “she needs to pack not only goodwill but a consistent U.S. position.” “…a panoply of inconsistent, disjointed, contradictory stances has generated ill will south of the border.” http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-dresser23-2009mar23,0,774981.story The US needs to unmix the message in Mexico
    “The secretary of State has proved to be a nimble and effective diplomat; the challenge for her in Mexico is to turn a defensive, resentful porcupine into a collaborative partner.”

  • Katmoon

    I did post this on another thread, but it is worth repeating; and it goes to the type of thinking that is of great concern at this time, concerning the “giggles” displayed by Obama on 60 minutes. It bothers me specifically for the reason as to why has he not chosen a physician? You do not leave this just to whomever is there, as wouldn’t it be imperative to have someone familiar with and aware of all the health aspects of the president? I am sure Capt. Kuhlman is competent my point is more, why isn’t this important to obama himself? Clearly he needs to sit down with his physician after that display on 60 minutes last night, at the very least to discuss his mental/nervous state.

    Source; http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2009/03/23/prsa0323.htm

    The White House has not yet announced President Barack Obama’s choice for physician, but Navy Capt. Jeff Kuhlman, MD, is the new head of the WHMU and is acting as chief physician.

    MArch 23, 2009

  • oowawa

    No Quarter is a loose but raucous chorus of discordant voices. Some of us are centrists, others are hawkish Democrats, some view themselves as reformers, a few are resolutely independent and others are hugo-chavezunabashed Leftists.

    Yep, we’re a scurvy crew.

    Party Unity My Ass!

    • Ferd Berfle

      Yep, we’re a scurvy crew.

      Arrgh, that’s what makes this website great.

      • I’mFedUp

        As the only one who cops to registering GOP a year ago, and getting my azz kicked for it daily, yes we are quite the motley crew.

  • KmX

    see. America Hating Hugo Chavez and President Obama shares a Semi Fist-Thumb Power Hand Shake Pump.

    Pro democracy groups in Latin America must be afraid to speak out as the American President is seen very chummy with Chavez. Hugo Chavez controls the media in his country. This pic will be propaganda for him. Sad day for the pro demcoracy groups fighting for freedom in that region.

  • KmX

    I see. America Hating Hugo Chavez and President Obama shares a Semi Fist-Thumb Power Hand Shake Pump.

    Pro democracy groups in Latin America must be afraid to speak out as the American President is seen very chummy with Chavez. Hugo Chavez controls the media in his country. This pic will be propaganda for him. Sad day for the pro demcoracy groups fighting for freedom in that region.

    • oowawa

      a Semi Fist Power Hand Shake Pump

      I am so not-with-it. Back in the 50′s the cool handshake of the time was “give me skin,” and I learned that okay, but since then I’m in a fog when it comes to the latest hip handshakes and their significance.

      Don’t know any of that “throw-down” stuff neither. Glad to see the Prez’s of USA & Venezuela are hip and in the same groove.

  • Objective Analysis

    Has it been 6 months yet or even 100 days yet?

    • athena

      This has been the longest 97 days evah!

  • pm317

    Someone explain to me the significance of that handshake? What does it mean?

    He pushes the envelop on the sentiment “I am not like those wasps”, doesn’t he?

    He must naively think if he makes them like him by him doing things they like, they will give him all he wants.

    • pm317

      That picture is odd. There is a coy look of familiarity between them. What does it mean?

      • Lyn

        It does look like they are sharing a secret and so proud of themselves doesn’t it. aren’t Ayers and Chavez friends or something?

        • oowawa

          sharing a secret and so proud of themselves

          Exactly, Lyn. A non-mainstream handshake is not only a signal between buds that we’re “in” with each other, but a signal that excludes the non-hip from their conspiratorial togetherness. This is not proper for a person who represents all of us, the hip and the non-hip as well. O really needs to go mainstream with his visual greetings.

      • Hank

        Your right pm317, something is not right, they greeted each other like old friends.

    • http://! stodgie

      pm, you put in words what i was thinking. obama is sooooooooooooo naive.

    • oowawa

      Someone explain to me the significance of that handshake? What does it mean?

      Well, PM317, I’ve been doing extensive research on YouTube, and I think I’ve found more than we need to know. The following video

      http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-give-a-homie-handshake

      shows how we can be cool even beyond the icy hipness of Barack & Hugo. The “homie handshake” contains the “power hand shake pump,” but goes far beyond. (This funny vid is preceded by a brief commercial).

      • pm317

        LOL, thanks. They are probably British dudes. So we don’t have to worry they will become US presidents someday.

  • Seattle Moss

    Talked with several Canadians that own businesses who like myself have skin in the game and all of them cannot believe the SURRENDER that Obama and his wimpy apologists represent for this great country.

    WE have enemies in the world and we need to deal with them severely to protect the western tradition or lose our freedoms and way of life..It is that simple!!
    It really is pathetic that we now have to rely on Israel to do the heavy lifting to destroy and neutralize the threat which is Iran.Our wimp in chief won’t do anything as he is to busy trashing Americans world wide while showing our intelligence techniques to the enemy so they need not worry about the new defeated America.

    I never voted for Bush but I give credit where it is do…
    Bush is the bad guy that erased the perception that America was a paper tiger and could be pushed around and attacked at will
    Never could these terrorists imagine that Bush would go get them Eastwood style..

    Now I wish we still had Bush as we have not been attacked again since 911 and we have established a huge American presence in the middle east which will be ongoing for the rest of days.
    As I witness obama’s capitulation of American power, I understand that most people have been fooled by our enemies into thinking that America needs to be nice and apologize and walk away from our sphere of influence
    What a shame that people fail to understand the reverse psychology that is being played against this country.
    The world wants us to retreat because they envy and are jealous of our standing in the world
    Our enemies in the middle east only recognize brute strength and will push the envelope until we retreat or attack.

    Thank you Bush for liberating Iraq and permanently positioning ourselves in the region against enemies such as Iran.
    Thank you Cheney for playing hard ball against these terrorists.
    History will show that you were right and that we can not live in a world we wish we had but need to confront the evil in the real world.
    Bush and Cheney…You’re Hero’s to me!
    Thank you for your service and thank you for doing the dirty work that needed to be done

    • Cubs in 09

      Hey there, Seattle Moss!

      Long time, no “see.” I’ve been working 45-50 hours/week.

      I agree with everything you said! :mrgreen:

    • Ani

      SM, You are certainly entitled to your feeling on the matter. But please let us not forget the GWB was AWOL a lot of his first eight months in office and spent a lot of time chopping cedars in Texas, on more ways than one. There is certainly an argument to be made that had the then new adminstration paid some attention to the warnings the outgoing Clinton administration hada given them and paid more serious attention to intelligence reports coming in the summer of 2001, there is at least a small chance the attack might have been prevented.

      I also recall how the Bushes helped the Bin Ladens to get out of the country after that. Furthermore, Bush was a president without at agenda, he was foundering and his popularity was also starting to wane. After the attacks — suddenly the neocons had the excuse they’d been waiting for. I’m not saying they were happy about it, but remember that Paul Wolfowitz was pushing this agenda on Bush Sr. to fully go into Iraq and the rest of the middle east since 1990-91. This was nothing new. Bush Sr. felt it would destabilize the region and refused to do it.

      Sorry, but I don’t feel Bush Jr. was much to cheer about either.

      • Ani

        And I think you know my low opinion of our current president.

    • I’mFedUp

      Seattle…I hope you’re wearing your hard hat…You’re going to get stoned for not bashing Bush honey. I agree with you 100%. I’ll bet when this country is burned to the ground by our enemies that the moonbats wish they could have Bush back too.

      Sorry, I can’t stand Chavez, and seeing that pic of him with the Fraud is eerie. But for those of you here who love him….you’re about to get your rewards. Welcome to Venezuela II! Enjoy!

      • politicalidentitycrisis

        I’d take Bush back in a heartbeat. If something ever happened to BHO, I’d even prefer Bush over Biden. Crap. I never thought i’d say stuff like that and I haven’t even been drinking! Living in Bizarroworld.

    • James Guglielmino

      After more than 7 years in an ill conceived, poorly planned invasion and occupation of Iraq, I cannot believe ANYONE can still write “thank you for invading Iraq.” Oh, that isn’t what you wrote, is it? You have to be joking, right? The invasion of Iraq is arguably the most ccalamitous, disastrous piece of foreign policy in the history of our nation. I cannot think of a worst one.
      It destabilized a country that was stable. Don’t even THINK the shit of Hussein being a horrible dictator. In the first place, we created him. But more important, we have a long history of doing business with nasty people. Pinochet comes to mind, immediately…Shah of Iran, and so forth. Women in Iraq were FAR better off than they are now. We did NOT go into Iraq to liberate Iraq and if you really believe we did, you are dumber than a dumb bell. Sorry….I keep thinking of he over 4000 of our kids DEAD because of that invasion and the somethign like a million Iraqis dead because of it. You NEOCON dudes are going to have to learn that we cannot keep taking what we want with arms. One of these days, we are going the way of Rome for the same reason that Rome fell, a few too many wars.

      • http://! stodgie

        hey james, take up your complaints with the pliant democrats who sucked up, yes sired and bent over everytime bush nodded their way. enough of your one sided bull!

      • I’mFedUp

        James, you know nothing. I have a girlfriend in Iraq who thanks America every day of her life for liberating them from Hussein. It seems that Hussein’s son had this really great habit of busting into people’s homes and raping and beating the crap out of their women. She’s happier now. No one wants war, but there are plenty of people in Iraq who appreciate what we did. You of course won’t see THAT footage on Communist News Network.

      • Latina

        James
        Tell that to the 5000 Kurds that Hussein and his army of angels pulverized, and the thousands of Iraqis killed by huss and his family just for the fun of it!!!. If they answer you, I take my words back

        • Elizabeth

          We can all be very heartened at the rise in Iraqi political and economic development. What is unforgivable is Bush not having a strategy to end his disastrous war and no strategy for containing the violence. The handling was miserable.

          If he had advocated for the Surge from the beginning, without four years of troop mismanagement and miscalculation, thousands debt and TRILLIONS of tax dollars WASTED on this mess, I would have been with it all the way.

    • Latina

      Congratulations to you you Seattle Moss
      You are a courageous person to understands and give a well deserved defense and exemption. We all know that Bush indeed made a lot of mistakes, yet, in the great majority of them, there was not an ounce of unpatriotic, apologetic, demeaned, sentiment involved.

      Because of him, we are safe today. Because of him, there is a Country in the Middle East that regardless the righteousness of how it started, is now opening her arms to democracy.

      I never heard Bush telling the world, and maybe, our enemies, that we are an arrogant nation, nor with a false humility, stabbing Americans sacrifices for Democracy to gain popularity, as I have heard it now from THE ONE.
      Bush never faltered to his values or principles, however wrong or right, good or bad, they were.
      As much as I respect TT in her convictions and ideas, I respectfully disagree in her unfortunate conclusion. We compare on similar values, never on conflicting ideals.

      • I’mFedUp

        Latina…Rockin’ post. Awesome.

  • KmX

    How about including the video where Chavez called Bush Evil and bash America at the UN.

    This Pic of Obama and Chavez is creepy.

    • rw

      lol, that smirk on Ozero´s face and how he has his hand wrapped around Chavez´s hand in a bro-to-bro handshake is like he´s saying: Hombre, bro, come here Chavito, papi. All is bueno now.

      Bizarro, considering a couple of days ago Chavez said the stench emanating from the new pres. was the same as from the old. New man, same imperial power.

      • politicalidentitycrisis

        Chavez must have been dazzled by the messiah!

        • I’mFedUp

          I can promise you that they’re in some smoky back room snorting coke.

  • http://! stodgie

    i am afraid to say this but we just might be in for a serious attack on this country. just thinking out loud and i pray not! the response from the democrats would be a serious over reaction. who do ya’ll think passed the patriot act. the dems never said a word and voted almost a 100% with finegold being one of the holdouts.

    the democrats are loosey goosey. they have lost their way along time ago and we are seeing clear evidence now. i think newt is considering running and bang my head against the wall because i never thought i’d agree with so much of his thinking, but i do. tea anyone?

    • Seattle Moss

      i think newt is considering running and bang my head against the wall because i never thought i’d agree with so much of his thinking, but i do. tea anyone?

      Newt may indeed turn out to be the revolutionary leader this country needs. As a historian in the classical sense I know that he has always thought of himself so.

      • I’mFedUp

        I never thought I would say this…Newt rocks. The reason he is resonating with so many people is that he is calm, logical, intelligent, and he gives you a sense of safety in the sick f**k Obama America that really isn’t America anyway.

        • http://! stodgie

          bingo! that’s right imfedup!

        • shadow

          Did you see him on Greta tonight? What I like about Newt (besides his intelligence and experience in Congress) is that he doesn’t just give you rhetoric. He explains what he would do in different situations to combat problems and dangers facing our country.

          • http://! stodgie

            yup, i watched. in fact he was talking while i was typing. smile!

          • I’mFedUp

            Yes, he does. And he explains it in terms that we can all understand and relate to. He doesn’t really insult the Fraud, but he calmly points out how and where he is screwing up. That’s the kind of person you want with the nuclear codes…not some lunatic, giggling, party boy, arrogant, elitist, America hating POS. I can’t WAIT until 2012. Well, actually 2010, because I need some frigging calm and sanity back in my life. The Fraud is ruining my health from the worrying, lack of sleep, anger, rage, disgust and depression.

        • Seattle Moss

          Hey Fed up!!

          Well I have finally done it which means peace around this house.
          I have officially banned NBC,MSNBC and anything GE related around here

          I have convinced my better half to listen to reason and to stop watching the anti-American propaganda channels which have done so much to destroy this country
          Here is the video that changed everything for my wife

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOycxiaBcGI

          • I’mFedUp

            Hey Moss Man,

            Wow…you GO Lou! That’s awesome. I’m glad your better half and you are having peace over this mess. Of course the Obama sick f**k sadministration has done nothing but polarize and divide people. Even in their own households. So sad. But you rocked it and got it back on track. God bless your SO for seeing the light.

            I had another Bot see the light today. One of my friends, who actually wrote speeches for JFK and went to Harvard, etc. etc. etc. turned on the Fraud today. He’s embarrassed, sad, and wants his vote back. This from a REALLY far left moonbat. They’re coming around folks, it just takes time. And I keep getting to say I TOLD YOU SO.

          • politicalidentitycrisis

            Awesome! Tell it like it is Lou. Then Garofalo says, what else can they do, that’s all they have (meaning racism). Funny I have been saying the same thing about the left, all they have is the race card!

            Then I loved this part of the first comment about the video:

            I love this you know why?..The left are imploding..I love watching these lunatics come-un-glued.

        • KintheNorthwest

          Its weird how many of us are now listening Very Carefully to Newt….He does rock

      • http://! stodgie

        newt was the leader who put together the republican congress take over. he is a stragetist so i can see him as a leader. he also has an indepth understanding of american history. i don’t care about his personal life. i want someone to deal with the issues and care about this country not knock it.

        • I’mFedUp

          For the left to criticize anyone’s private life, when their cabinet is nothing but tax cheats, liars, thieves and scumbags….Wow…just…wow. Apparently what Bill Clinton did was okay, but if you are Republican it’s different rules. What the hell ever.

          • http://! stodgie

            i was a repub till the repubs began attacking clinton. also the repubs turned mean and too far right for me. i am more of a social liberal and fiscal conservative. safety nets sure thing, but be able to pay for it.

            • I’mFedUp

              I was Independent until the caucus fraud and the DNC hijinks. Now I am registered GOP and that’s all I vote for until the DNC cleans house. Period. I am extremely socially liberal. I believe in pro-choice, gay marriage, you name it. But I am way over the loony left destroying this country. They’ve gone off the rails and we have to do something about it.

      • Ani

        While I like listening to Newt as well, I never forget that this is the self same hypocrite who led the charge to impeach Bill Clinton over a blow job, while he was cheating on his sick wife. He is a hypocrite just like any of them.

        Clinton was certainly flawed, but we had eight years of peace and prosperity and he worked with Congress to have a balanced budget, a two trillion dollar surplus and certainly left the country in better shape than he found it.

        I’m not saying Gingrich doesn’t make sense but he just as guilty as anyone of playing politics as opposed to putting the American people first and while he is a very smart man, I am not going to be guilty of having a short memory and singing the guy hearts and flowers.

        Whatever one may think of Bill Clinton, his transgression was a private matter – between him and his wife and had no place determining what kind of a job he was doing as President of this country. Bush got away with God knows what and no one so much as censured him — we had scandal after scandal if you recall.

        Those of you who’ve been around here know how loudly I railed against Obama being elected and feel he is woefully incompetent and disingenuous. But just because I have little tolerance for him doesn’t mean I am now going to idealize those who are at fault in their own way in their past actions.

        • http://! stodgie

          well ani, i never thought i’d veer toward the right. i watched msnbc all the time. i listened to democracy now, etc. i prayed the democrats would be back in power, etc. then i saw what they had become and i can’t get them out the door fast enough.

          • Ani

            Certainly this current Dem leadership is a disaster. I absolutely agree there. Pelosi, Reid et al have got to go.

            My point is that I don’t want to idealize those who were also guilty of wrongdoing simply because they are from the other party.

            • http://! stodgie

              you make a point ani. what to do? trust the dims? naw! they have shown that the far left is just as untrustworthy as the far right. the repubs will have to return to a populist view and appeal to the working american trying to get by in the world.

              • Ani

                Correct. But as more moderate Repubs have pointed out, they can’t just be the party of “no” and pushing pro-life and anti-gay agendas. This is the 21st century and if they want to recapture anything, they have to be truly more inclusive and find common ground.

                I also agree with you that extremes of either side are bad and I think they are mirror images of either other.

                • Ani

                  sorry — mirrors images of EACH other.

                • I’mFedUp

                  Well, given a choice…I will never vote for another Democrat again. I can’t believe anyone would support that party now. For God’s sake. Everyone here whines about what was done to Hillary but refuse to admit and acknowledge that there’s nothing more corrupt than the DNC. Instead of bitching about Bush all day, who is long gone, why don’t the Dems get their OWN house in order? Really, the Dems perpetrated more voter/caucus fraud than any party in history. It cost us Hillary as President. AND it was the Dems who brought us that moron Obama. So, my question is…why don’t people spend their time being productive, and trying to reform their party, rather than hating on the GOP and Bush? They’re not your problem anymore. I don’t get it.

                  • Ani

                    Uh — I have been screaming from the highest hill on this site since mid June that the Democrats have lost the moral high ground and thus, I left the party.

                    I think both parties are in need of massive reform — and just because I think the current Dem. leadership are morons and crooks doesn’t mean I am now going to pretend Bush was a genius.

                    Both sides are at fault here.

                    • I’mFedUp

                      The GOP IS working on it. The Dems aren’t.

              • I’mFedUp

                No more Dems ever, ever, ever unless and until the party is completely rebuilt. I can’t BELIEVE people here defend that POS crap party. The same people who are heartbroken over Hillary would rather keep the Dims in power, watching them destroy the country, then vote for anyone else. It’s soooo bizarre to me. After what I saw in this “selection” I would rather have a hot poker up my azz than vote for another Dem. WTF?

                • Ani

                  Forgive me, but I don’t think I said anything about keeps Dems in power. This current leadership is a disaster– please reread what I wrote. That doesn’t mean Republicans are suddenly brilliant.

                  I am as heartbroken and outraged as anyone over what happened to Hillary, but I am not going to engage in revisionist history.

                  Please do not forget that it was the Republicans who were guilty of 15 years of Hillary bashing and calling her ‘divisive and polarizing’ and trashing her from the highest hill — who the hell do you think gave Obama his talking points???

                  • I’mFedUp

                    Ani, I wasn’t speaking to you directly. Sorry. It’s just really odd to me that this was a largely pro Hillary site, yet people who complain about what happened stay loyal to the party that did it. That’s like embracing your rapist. Both parties are screwed up, but if I had to weigh out the damage to America, this one’s on the Dems. Any party that brought us Obama needs to get their shit together. I know you all equate him with Bush. Sorry, but he’s waaaayyy worse. So much worse that I don’t sleep at night.

                    Republicans are my only hope to get out of this mess starting in 2010. I can’t take anymore of Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Obama, Frank, Geithner, Summers, Soros, etc. I really just can’t take it and it’s a million times worse than Bush. This coming from someone who had been an Independent for 45 years.

                    • Ani

                      This is still a pro Hillary site. Very much so. Until last year, I was a Democrat for 30 years, so I haven’t forgotten some of the Republican shenanigans either. I certainly respect your feelings on the matter and, as you know, I’m not drinking anyone’s kool-aid anymore.

                      From here on out I just each politician based on character, record and issues. Nobody and no party gets a pass with me anymore. Those who put party before country can go stuff it, too.

                    • Ani

                      just = judge

                    • I’mFedUp

                      I hear you. I put country first. That’s why I just want the people who are destroying us to get the hell out.

        • oowawa

          I agree, Ani. Right now, we need to focus on the current administration. The present situation is too dire, and we do not want to waste our energy refighting old battles. We cannot let this be about Democrats versus Republicans. We’ve moved beyond that, I hope.

        • Latina

          Ani
          If you put all of those politicians together in a blender and include all the damage they might have done to all of us, nothing will be compared to what is happening right now, and what will happen in the next 3.6 years. I hope I am exaggerating this nostradamic attitude I feel, but nothing can compare to this nightmare.

          I never thought that the US of A would owe the Chinese our future because we to pay other peoples irresponsible debts that were their own mistakes. Never heard of Laws being signed without even reading the purpose behind them. What happens if we can’t pay all that ridiculous amount of money owed.

          I don’t remember hearing a President tell the world that we, Americans have been arrogant. I have never personally been so much accused in my life of being a racist for not agreeing with his political views (and I am a brown.. I can’t imagine a white, dissenting).

          Since Watergate, have never seen a Cabinet and Staff with so many “unclean hands” appointees regulating the area that they have transgressed. I have never seen my country been so unprecedented prostituted to get the amity of our everlasting enemies.

          Nobody is perfect, but we have to join and forget the side issues to deal with the main one, our freedom, our liberty our happiness, our core values and our well deserved respect.

          • wodiej

            well said!!

      • politicalidentitycrisis

        I’ve thought that we should see if he’d run as the candidate for out new Independent party for 2012. The Independent Constitutionalist party!

        I now call myself a constitutionalist and it makes much more sense to me than democrat or republican.

        • politicalidentitycrisis

          sorry this was to go along with all the Newt Gingrich comments, don’t know WTF happened.

    • I’mFedUp

      stodgie…I have just accepted that we will have a major terror attack some time soon. I’m “girding my loins” and getting ready for hundreds of thousands of dead Americans, and a Buffoon in Chief who has no idea WTF to do. Tick tock, tick tock, is it 2012 yet?

      • http://! stodgie

        sigh! then the dems will over react. that seems to be the only thing they know to do.

        • I’mFedUp

          I just pray the Fraud is sober when it happens.

  • http://! stodgie

    it also seems to me the republicans are finding their voice and gathering the issuses to energize their supporters.

    • I’mFedUp

      The Republicans are going to open a can of very welcome Whoopass in 2010.

  • Cubs in 09

    Hey there, Seattle Moss!

    Look up thread… :mrgreen:

    • Seattle Moss

      Hey Cubie,
      Spring finally arrived so it’s time to take off my waders and put the top down and put on my Maui Jims
      Yeah!!
      Griffey is bringing us some luck this year already.

      • Cubs in 09

        Junior! I love him!

        • Cubs in 09

          I’m fallin’ behind here. I was waitin’ at the bottom of the thread. I wondered where y’all had gone…

  • Hank

    Obama chia pets are being removed from stores, because they are racist.

  • SJ

    Some one needs to get the opening speech by the Latin American leader, they were on fire against the USA and its stance with Cuba, Ortega was especially critical of the USA.

    • I’mFedUp

      Well, then Ortega and the Fraud have something in common!

    • http://! stodgie

      sj, we need to know who our friends are and aren’t. only a fool doesn’t trust and not verify! jumping in and saying i’ll meet with anyone seems fine on the surface. but look underneath there are serious breeches of security and common sense possible.

  • Cubs in 09

    I’ve hung a tea bag on my rear view mirror! :smile:

    • shadow

      LOLOL That’s a great idea!

    • http://! stodgie

      cubs in 09! that is very creative thinking! smile!

      • Cubs in 09

        Keeping HOPE alive! The Cubs winning the World Series?

        YES WE CAN! :wink:

    • I’mFedUp

      Okay that tea bag idea is hysterical. I’m doing it too! ROFLMAO!!!!

      • Cubs in 09

        Let’s all do it! :mrgreen:

        • I’mFedUp

          No S**t Cubs…that needs to go VIRAL. I’m going to pass that around!!!!

          • Cubs in 09

            THX!

            • athena

              Ok – I am putting a Tea-Bag on my mirror too.

  • James Guglielmino

    Our young pres is indeed a mixed bag. Good job that he caused the torture information to be released. Good job that he did on stem cells. Good job with ditching shrub’s gutting of FOIA. Good job today, with the EPA direction. Those are the ones that come to mind..Oh, good job with dealing with the mini crisis caused by the Pirates attacking an American ship…BAD job saying Chavez exports terroris…As far as I know, Chavez has no political prisoners and most information that I have seen indicates fair elections. He is attempting to use his nation’s oil for the people, after nationalizing. Good or bad? He is certainly being demonized. I am not persuaded that he deserves but I do know for sure, that no leader of any country that has oil can sleep well at night. The US has way too often, sought to overthrow them.

    • felizarte

      Yes James, he could not go wrong as long as he appropriates all of Hillary’s stand on the issues during the primaries. He easily gets away with it just because she is part of his administration now. His attempt to takeaway the foreign policy stage away from Hillary, or to show the world who is boss, has only earned him the ridicule he is reaping now. Soon, he will leave the foreign policy pronouncements to Hillary and the country will be better off.

    • Lyn

      I don’t think he did that good of a job on stem cells, he didn’t lift the bands he said he would during the campaign (surprise) http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/18/health/18stem.html?_r=1&ref=health

  • Cubs in 09

    I’ve been working 6-7 days a week the past few months. Gosh, it’s great to see all the old familiar names. I haven’t had this much fun for ages. Carry on while I go get an “adult beverage. :wink:

    • http://! stodgie

      cubs, i am working 60 hour weeks right now. i escaped tonight and thought to look in on no quarter.

      • Cubs in 09

        Yes, it’s a great place to “hang out..,” especially with an “adult beverage” in hand.

        Getting back to the topic at hand… This country is going way of course. I hope we get back on course ASAP.

    • Seattle Moss

      Hey cubie…You should try my latest brew
      Costs $15 a six pack but has 7.2% alcohol

      I kind of like the name too

      Arrogant Bastard Ale!!

      Now that’s what I’m talking about!

      • Cubs in 09

        That’s sounds great, SM. Where do you sell it?

        BTW… I meat to type “…way off course.” I’ve only had two sips… :wink:

        • Cubs in 09

          “…meat to type…”

          meant

          I’d better lay off this stuff!

          • Seattle Moss

            Hey man I’m trying to catch up to you as fast as possible.

            http://www.arrogantbastard.com/

            • Cubs in 09

              Love the animation!

              • http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XvTdcihcVFE/SebFTcp-EQI/AAAAAAAAHbM/hGxzqQQy92g/s1600-h/IMG_6337.JPG Seattle Moss

                Hey Cubie,
                It only takes two of my beers to set me right
                Click on my name for more information

  • I’m a Linda too

    ugh!

  • Cubs in 09

    Why do people vote for someone who takes away their freedoms (or tries to)?

    I think it’s “easier” to be told what to do. It means you don’t have to think, and you don’t have to be responsible for your decisions. It’s an indication of immaturity IMHO.

    • http://! stodgie

      adding to the idea of immaturity, there is always a silver lining in almost everything. i have thought that with the fiscal crisis, some of the spoiled young people who think that dad’s wallet has endless funds might come to see that things are finite and that the ipod and text messaging isn’t all that. there are real problems they will have to deal with sooner rather than later.

    • I’mFedUp

      Have you ever seen any of the Bots here make sense, or be reasonable? If they were, they wouldn’t have voted for the Fraud in the first place.

      • http://! stodgie

        they live in a world that doesn’t have much reality in it. hero worship is for the young who go to concerts and not the voting booth.

        • I’mFedUp

          I think the Bots are missing a chromosome.

    • athena

      I actually had a friend say to me the other day. “Monarchy’s are the way to go – cause at least you know what you are getting – you don’t have to think about it” WTF?

      • I’mFedUp

        Well, then your friend can move to England!

  • Cathy in Ks.

    Sometimes I think I will wake up and this will be just a bad dream. How did the American people choose now for the third time in a row (I’m referring here to Geo. W.’s 1st and 2nd terms – not Clinton whom I thought was a good president despite his personal problems) such incompetent men to be president of our country? When will the MSM start doing their job and scrutinize those who run for public office, particularly when it’s the president of our country? When will our elected “public servants” realize they are the “servants”, not their constituents? When will democrats and republicans stop playing political games and realize the welfare of this nation and each and every citizen in it should be their focus?

    • I’mFedUp

      Cathy…I wake up every day and ask myself the same thing. Bush was one thing…I didn’t vote for him. But this Obama thing? Wow is this screwed up. I’ve never seen anything this disgusting, vile, disgraceful and Anti-American in my life as those who voted for this moron. WTF is wrong with America? Really? WTF?

  • Cathy in Ks.

    To I’m Fed Up, I do see some hope – the “tea parties”. I know this is off-topic for this blog discussion but if these “tea parties” are not just a one-time event, I think there is a way out of this “nightmare”. Because people like Nancy Pelosi, many in the MSM and comedienne/actress Garafalo (sp.?) were trying to insult the attendees and downplay the significance of these tea parties, this means to me that the “tea parties” have had a huge impact on the powers that be. They know the “tea parties” crossed “party lines” and that these were ordinary American citizens gathering in a “time-honored tradition” to voice their opinion. I’m sorry I missed our local tea party but I plan to attend the next one.

    Although we’re stuck with Obama until 2012, there are many in congress who are either seeking re-election or their seats are up for grab next year. You better believe that “blue dog democrats” who are up for re-election are paying very close attention to the “tea parties” and many know it will be political suicide to continue to “rubber stamp” Obama/Pelosi’s agenda.

    • I’mFedUp

      Cathy…the Tea Parties were the first glimmer of hope, and it was the first day in a year, that I have felt “American.” I thought ole Lady Liberty was gone, along with the Constitution. You are right, it’s not going to stop. We won’t stop until the USSObama/Pelosi is destroyed and America is returned to her splendor. Period.

      • nomobama

        I went to the tea party held in Orlando, Florida, and was part of a crowd that numbered somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000 concerned Americans. I had a good time listening to the speakers, taking pictures of people’s signs, while I carried my large American flag around with me. I have never been particularly politically active. I always voted Democrat up until the past general election. The current Democratic party is an un-Democratic embarrassment that I can no longer support. I see more protesting in the future.

  • Cathy in Ks.

    To I’m Fed Up,
    Amen.

  • Lyn

    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/chavez-says-cuba-is-more-democratic-than-u.s.-2009-04-17.html
    Chavez: Cuba is more democratic than U.S.
    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, hosting an alternative leftist summit including Cuba before meeting President Obama and other Western Hemisphere leaders this weekend, said Thursday that the U.S. is less democratic than Cuba.

    Opening his Summit of the Bolivarian Alternative for the Peoples of Our Americas east of Caracas, Chavez lambasted a final draft of the declaration — which affirms a commitment “to build stronger democratic institutions” — to be adopted by leaders at the Summit of the Americas in Trinidad and Tobago.

    “Where is there more democracy — is it in Cuba or is it in the United States?” Chavez said when opening his summit with Cuban President Raul Castro by his side. “I have no doubts that in Cuba there is more democracy than in the United States. I have no doubts at all!” …..

    • I’mFedUp

      Oh for the love of God. And that moron Obama will go to all these people and apologize for what shit America is. Please God, make it be 2012 tomorrow.

      • James Guglielmino

        Why, you want to be starting Obama’s second administration so soon? Actually, there is pretty good rationale for your wish. By then, he will have spent four years cleaning up the trash left from bush and he can spend the second administration moving forward with his programs. I’m going to enjoy that. If you would open your mind up, you would too.

    • DAB

      By the time Obama is done with us, Chavez may prove correct that Cuba is more democratic than America.

  • Cubs in 09

    Checkin’ in one last time before checkin’ out for the night…

    SEATTLE! LOVE THE PHOTO! :mrgreen:

    • I’mFedUp

      Night Cubs.

  • Vermonter

    No Quarter is a loose but raucous chorus of discordant voices. Some of us are centrists, others are hawkish Democrats, some view themselves as reformers, a few are resolutely independent and others are unabashed Leftists.

    In essence, most of you have no apparent cohesive world-view whatsoever and are just bound together by irrational hatred of Barack Obama.

    Just saying.

    • I’mFedUp

      No, Vermonter, that’s not true. We’re not Bots here – we happen to like the truth. Something you would apparently know nothing about, Bot.

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    LE CHAT SAUVAGE

  • http://donnadarko.wordpress.com donna darko

    That Obama and his staff are reproducing the errors of Bush does not surprise me. Hopefully Hillary will help Obama out of this latest problem he has created for us. After all, it takes a Clinton to clean the mess created by a Bush. And Obama, to be sure, is nothing more than the Democratic Party’s version of George W. Bush. Indeed, he is nothing more than an ignoramus.

    Clinton will clean up after THREE Bushes.

  • mary

    TRUTHTELLER –
    Thanks for writing the Truth about the Flip-Flopper Prez. His “lack of ideological compass” as you so aptly put it was there to fool both his right and left wingnut supporters into voting for Him.

    Having no moral compass, no pollitical ideology other than his Own aggrandization, the anorexic Resume with the top job in the world is now making a mess of his own prophesies!

    If he wants to show his respect to Iranians, he should. It was American foreigh policy and misinformed CIA operatives in the early 50s that deposed a democratically-elected Iranian president to replace him with the brutal U.S. puppet The SHAH. And you sure as hell can bet all your Obama-faced magazines that Iranians had nothing to do with 9-11! Iraqis had nothing to do with 9-11.
    It was a bunch of mujahadeens that the CIA groomed to fight the Soviet-controlled Afganistan in the 80s! The mujahadeen were financed in Afganistan and Pakistan by American money. And we expect those long-suffering people to love us!? Gime a break!

  • mary

    OBAMA = BUSH III

  • vivi

    <a href=”http://www.loveshoppingshoes.com/christian-louboutin-tuba-tall-boot-p-3800.html”>Christian Louboutin Tuba Tall Boot</a>
    <a href=”http://www.loveshoppingshoes.com/christian-louboutin-spiked-boot-p-3799.html”>christian louboutin Spiked Boot</a>
    <a href=”http://www.loveshoppingshoes.com/christian-louboutin-spiketoe-boot-p-3798.html”>christian louboutin Spike-Toe Boot</a>
    <a href=”http://www.loveshoppingshoes.com/christian-louboutin-ronfifi-100-boot-p-3797.html”>Christian Louboutin Ronfifi 100 Boot</a>
    <a href=”http://www.loveshoppingshoes.com/christian-louboutin-leopard-print-lace-up-bootie-p-3796.html”>christian louboutin Leopard Print Lace Up Bootie</a>
    <a href=”http://www.loveshoppingshoes.com/christian-louboutin-fifre-120-velours-booties-p-3795.html”>Christian Louboutin FIFRE 120 VELOURS BOOTIES</a>
    <a href=”http://www.loveshoppingshoes.com/christian-louboutin-flannel-espadrille-bootie-p-3794.html”>christian louboutin Flannel Espadrille Bootie</a>