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What We’ve Noticed About the Speech

Everything I wrote earlier today holds (here, here, and here) — a long speech notwithstanding. But there is more. Much more. (A NoQuarter regular sent me a terrific “rant” that I’ve added at the end — do not miss it!)

Obama LIED repeatedly in the weeks before today’s confession.

Today, he said, “Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely …”

Compare that with what Obama told the Chicago Sun-Times on March 15, 2008, “But the sermons I’ve always hear were no different than the sermons you hear in many African-American churches. I had not heard him make such, what I consider to be objectionable remarks from the pulpit. Had I heard them while I was in church, I would have objected. Had that been the tenor of the church generally, I probably wouldn’t be a member of the church.”

But on March 14, when CNN’s Anderson Cooper asked Obama if he ever heard from others about Rev. Wright’s controverisal remarks, Obama replied with a flat “No.”

√√ Obama had the audacity to say this today: “….And the lack of basic services in so many urban black neighborhoods – parks for kids to play in, police walking the beat, regular garbage pick-up and building code enforcement – all helped create a cycle of violence, blight and neglect that continue to haunt us. This is the reality in which Reverend Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up.”

How dare he? With the hundreds of thousands of poor people (including thousands of black people) he ignored in Chicago — whose plight he claimed to be unaware of — while he cozied up with his pal Rezko? Read about The Forgotten People, whose stories will sicken you.

√√√ While Obama decried his pastor’s “view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam,” the Israpundit blog has noticed that an “anti-Semitic group has been permitted to post on the official Obama campaign website”:

March 7, 2008

New Black Panther Party Supports Obama; More on the UCC Issue

NBPP = “A mix of black nationalism, Pan-Africanism and racist and anti-Semitic bigotry.”

Noting that this page has acquired 396 points (presumably from activities with Obama ‘08 or ratings from other participants), it is difficult to believe that Obama’s staff is not aware of this page. Furthermore, there is a link for reporting the profile to the administrator. We presume that it has been used but, as with our numerous complaints about Obama’s promotion and endorsement of Al Sharpton, the reports have probably been brushed off or ignored. …

[...]

[Khallid Abdul] Muhammad’s rise through the group’s hierarchy was abruptly halted in November 1993, after he delivered a notoriously anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, homophobic and racist speech at New Jersey’s Kean College. In his remarks, Muhammad referred to Jews as “bloodsuckers,” called for genocide against whites, vulgarly ridiculed Pope John Paul II and demeaned homosexuals. The speech attracted significant media attention, and Muhammad was condemned by a wide range of religious and political leaders – including the U.S. Congress, which issued a condemnation in 1994 that decried the speech as “outrageous hatemongering of the most vicious and vile kind.” Farrakhan responded to the controversy by removing Muhammad from the group’s leadership, although the NOI leader noted that he faulted only the form, not “the truth,” of Muhammad’s remarks.

Then there’s a must-read article by the Washington Post‘s Dana Milbank today: “The Audacity of Chutzpah.”

√√√√ Fafnir in a comment here today noticed that Obama even “Xeroxed” the title of his speech, “A More Perfect Union,” from the title of Jesse Jackson Jr’s book.

THE TITLE:
Remarks of Senator Barack Obama
“A More Perfect Union”
Constitution Center
Tuesday, March 18th, 2008
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Then there’s that the line is borrowed from Bill Clinton’s 2000 farewell address:

[W]e must remember that America cannot lead in the world unless here at home we weave the threads of our coat of many colors into the fabric of one America. As we become ever more diverse, we must work harder to unite around our common values and our common humanity. We must work harder to overcome our differences, in our hearts and in our laws. We must treat all our people with fairness and dignity, regardless of their race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation, and regardless of when they arrived in our country–always moving toward the more perfect Union of our Founders’ dreams.

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My earlier posts today on his speech:

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NOW, the voice of one of our regular commenters at No Quarter, who wishes to remain anonymous because he worries about retaliation from pro-Obama people:

Obama chose to solidify the black people with his speech. He united them together by saying that the anger of the Black people is justified. And then he turns the black people against the white people.

He’s telling the white people that you are dumped and ignorant that you don’t know racial tension exists in this country. We have the right to be mad because of white peoples’ action. We are the good guys here. So if you want to be good, join us. If not, you are one of the racists like my granny, Ferraro, and the Clintons.

So his speech aims to solidify the black vote, and “retain” the white vote using guilt. I’m saying retain because I don’t think he will gain any new white votes because of this speech.

This strategy will work only if there are a lot of white people who feel guilty that they were part of the white racists. This group of people will buy Obama’s speech.

Any white people who have sympathy with black people but don’t see that they have contributed anything to continue the racism, but actually trying to improve it, will find Obama’s speech very offensive. I hope that this is the majority of the American people. My feeling said this group is already mainly Hillary’s base. She might pick up new votes here.

Any white people who practice racism would never ever vote for Obama to begin with. So no gain here for him.

That’s why I think, no matter how beautiful and articulate his speech was, it has little impact to gain any new vote for Obama. He will actually be losing some of the white vote after his speech.

  • Alibe

    I have a question. It has been reported that Obama gave $150,000.00 of the dirty Rezko contributions to charity. But I can not seem to find out which charity. I hope it wasn’t to The Rev. Wrights Church of unity and pleasantness.
    Anyone able to remembe ror find any specifics on the contribution.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      I’d like to know too. We should ask his campaign.

    • TeakwoodKite

      Tax returns /filings senate records; will tell you?

      • Mary

        Obama says he can’t FIND his Senate records…..no big deal.

        And he has only released ONE year of tax returns. NOTHING from pre-2006.

        • Andy

          Obama says he can’t FIND his Senate records…..no big deal.

          Wow, that is rich!! LOL … what a clown.

        • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

          His STATE senate records … eight years of them. Every top journalist — from the Chicago Sun-Times’s Lynn Sweet to the Associated Press — has tried to get those records. He doesn’t have any, he says.

      • The Gringo’s Wife

        Can we ask the truly relevant question?

        Is racial healing what we are looking for in this election for POTUS?

        War, economy, healthcare … racial unity to the front of the line!

        • Hope

          Gringo,
          Yes what about these more pressing issues? Why is he lecturing us on race?

          I’m still having trouble with throwing poor, white grandma under the train.

      • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

        THESE are the donations he supposedly made in the last two to three months when he removed Rezko’s donations from his campaign coffers.

    • Mr.Murder

      Perhaps he “returned” the money to Rezko for his trial, since the man ‘lost’ 50 million the same quarter Obama gained 55 million.

      Rezko posted a 50 million loss, so he needs some money somewhere. Obama said he “returned” the money.

      How many definitions of ‘returned’ are people aware of, that would not include giving the money back to Rezko?

  • Patrick Henry

    THANK YOU…

  • simon

    Any white people who have sympathy with black people but don’t see that they have contributed anything to continue the racism, but actually trying to improve it, will find Obama’s speech very offensive.

    I think Obama, and the others, have chosen to become victims of their ideology.

    I will not be a victim, I will not contribute to my own, or anyone else’s, self imposed status as victim.

    Ok, Obama and co are fools, spinning, playing the victims. Not all AA’s agree with Obama, or his pastor.

    How do we heal this divide, now, so we never ever have another New Orleans, so we can finally address poverty, and racism in this country?

    Because it does exist, as does sexism.

    As opposed to neocons, say, who actually ARE victims of their ideology.

    • simon

      Most importantly, racism exists, a virulent racism that must be addressed.

      But just as Cheney and that type would exploit racism to divide and conquer, so would Obama to be elected.

      And neither knows what the hell they’re doing.

  • S. Markom

    I have been listening to Juan Wiliams who has been dumping on Obama and his speech.

    He said that Obama who grew up in a white world and attended good schools needed Wright to establish an identity with the Black community. He is someone who previously supported Obama and is now clearly upset with him.

    Separately, Wright’s rantings was over anti-americanism an anti-semitism. His speech sought to refocus the discussion away from the facts.

    Having the New Black Panthers on his website should eliminate any support from people who have problems with that group.

    • salliort

      I don’t know how many of you have seen the Vanity Fair article about Senator Obama (March 2008) by Todd Purdum.

      In it Obama is revealed as a well liked, happy, and popular student.

      Then Purdom drops the other shoe. We find out that the young Obama avoided “the only other black kid in his fifth-grade class (“as if direct contact would only remind us more keenly of our isolation,” Obama later wrote.”)

      Senator Obama avoided the only other black kid, so WHO wouldn’t feel isolated?

      Since it is well known the child is father to the man, I congratulate the senator. What leadership! What courage! What hypocracy!

      btw, I voted for Jesse Jackson. Needless to say my vote is with Hillary.

      • Alibe

        Obama always gives an excuse over why he didn’t or couldn’t DO anything. He is paralyzed by rhetoric. He can ONLY make a speech, write a book, ruminate about a problem. He never does anything. He couldn’t befriend a black student, he couldn’t walk out from a nutty church, he couldn’t be with his dying mother, he couldn’t confront a Tony Rezko about his corruption, he couldn’t demand the apartments be heated. Hillary is a doer. Obama is a talker.

        • DebDeb

          I agree.

          There was a really excellent article in one of the Houston papers this weekend… The reporter knew Obama well from Chicago and talked about how he was always three steps ahead, trying to climb as a politician, by taking credit for the work others had done. And how so much legislation was crammed into his last year as a state senator – all to make it look like he had actually accomplished something in Illinois. Which he did not.

          I think one of the strongest images in the article referred to Obama as a social climber, and not a leader.

          Without question, this man would make a horrific president.

          • TeakWoodKite

            Link?

    • Andy

      S. Markom:

      Do you have a link to this? I had one yesterday from Sunday on Fox; but if you have one from Juan W. about the speech I’d appreciate it !

    • Michael Lafferty

      I don’t know how reasonable it is to characterize that Senator Obama grew up in ‘white world’ but, it is worth noting that he grew up amongst wealth and privilege in Hawai’i.

      Punahou is a more than 150 year old private K12 institution, non-denominational but Christian in heritage. It was founded initially to educate the offspring of missionaries who journey to Hawai’i to cleanse the natives of their cultural and religious beliefs. And, one hell of a job they did—by the way—though that’s another story for another time.

      While Punahou is a fine college preparatory academy, it is largely reserved to the elite offspring of the local population, which at the time he attended was roughly one third Caucasian, one third predominantly Japanese, and one third a mix of other Asian, Polynesian and other ethnicities. It’s hard to draw distinct lines and assign group identities, as so many are of mixed ethnicity, and don’t identify with one specific representative group or another. The key identifiers associated with Punahou are wealth, prestige and power.

      I don’t say this to denigrate those who attended or graduated from Punahou, the institution itself, or Senator Obama. But, it is fair to say that while it might not accurately identify his household at that point in his life, he grew up and circulated largely amongst the privileged. He had no measurable connection to the ‘black experience’ at that point in his life. Blacks comprise only a tiny segment of the population of Hawai’i, and most of those a members of the military.

      It all seems to be a part of the narrative the doesn’t quite fit, and I believe that the balance of Juan Williams commentary is quite correct: Senator Obama did need to establish ‘street cred’ in Chicago, as his young resume bore no connection at all to the experience of a typical young black or half-black male in the United States.

  • Kefa

    This is so sad.

  • Greenley Greene

    Obama is the nominee. This speech is addressed to Nancy Pelosi and the Obama netroot orgs who now control the nomination. And they will not desert him now with this speech.

    Without a Michigan or Florida primary, all Obama has to do is avoid a total meltdown and run out the clock. That means all he has to do is prevent revotes in Florida and Michigan and hold his Pelosi base.

    The Obama campaign will go down in history as the most cynical campaign ever run.

    This speech advocates that Obama – because of his African roots – is the one who can heal the nation of it historical struggle with slavery and racism. It is a very strong statement and pundits – the same pundits who trashed Ferraro for saying basically the same thing – will hail it as a historic speech.

    This speech is the trump card in the racist deck of cards and Obama has played it brilliantly.

    • simon

      This speech is the trump card in the racist deck of cards and Obama has played it brilliantly.

      Obama is a gamed idiot, just more spoiled meat loaf in the great diner that is Washington, DC.

      And soon headed to the trash heap.

    • GodDamnAmerica

      Great point. He criticized Ferraro, but in fact he is making the same point as she did. Isn’t it ironic?

      • Nancy H. Armstrong

        Actually two years ago Obama said he was lucky and basically blessed because of his race. How hypocritical? Yet he says those awful things about Gerraldine Ferraro. He is the only one who can talk about his color. If anyone else does it is racism.

        • truDem

          Do you have a link?

          ‘Actually two years ago Obama said he was lucky and basically blessed because of his race.’

          Would really appreciate the reference.

    • Andy

      I am extremely sad to say that you are probably right…
      The speech was certainly aimed at calming Pelosi, Dean and SD down and
      keeping them under his tent. And they will happily oblige.

    • salliort

      I have seen reports from some African Americans who are not happy that Obama is playing the race card.

      Their reason is that Obama does not really carry the legacy of slavery in America that most African Americans have carried for generations.
      His father was Kenyan. It’s a whole different cultural and factual mind set that Obama experienced as a child in a wealthy mixed multi-cultural school and living with white grandparents.

      Hillary has worked for the uplifting of the African American community for years.

      Obama ignored/allowed many of the African Americans in the south side of Chicago housing projects of his moneybags friend to freeze during the cold Chicago winter.

      • simon

        Link to the Rezko trial, today.

        Stuart Levine, the main witness against Rezko, is now testifying.

        http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-court-story,0,7957753.story

        • TeakWoodKite

          From Simons link above. Can anyone tell me how to find out where BO was this evening?

          Levine then related how he first met Antoin “Tony” Rezko at a dinner party at the home of Fortunee Massuda, a podiatrist who was also a Rezko business partner.

          The dinner took place Nov. 2, 2002, just days before the gubernatorial election. Levine had served as the finance chairman for Republican Jim Ryan. Rezko was an important fundraiser for Rod Blagojevich, Ryan’s opponent.

    • mimi

      I agree. The nomination is his. The Party will take itself down in the same way Ted Kennedy took the party down in 1980. Ted is at it again.

      And I’ve been saying all along that Obama has played the race card with the cunning of Charles Boyer in Gaslight all the while pointing the finger at the Clintons. The MSM was the supporting player who enabled this chicanery.

      The joke is on the AA community when the result of this becomes visible. This is why I never supported this bi-racial terribly conflicted man’s candidacy. Obama needs therapy. He needs help.

      • norrismorris

        Mimi,
        thanks for your insightful comments. I see a pathological liar quite convincing in his ability to lie and invent.

        the race card is his best card as it prevents him from saying anything relevant, and it points to the Clintons as racists which of course is absurd.

        The fickle public, the horrendous press, and as you say…

        TEDDY IS AT IT AGAIN AND WILL NOT BE STOPPED UNTIL HE PRODUCES ANOTHER TRAINWRECK.

        KERRY IS HIS ADJUTANT, AND PITIFUL DASCHLE, HIS ATTENDANT. DODD AND THE REST STUMBLE ON AS MME DEFARGE TAKES THE PARTY TO THE GUILLOTINE.

      • BV

        And this is one of the main issues I don’t think anyone is addressing…….he needs therapy. He exhibits all the tendencies of someone deeply conflicted. And he has made his life one of people pleasing. He becomes what he thinks any given person wants him to be. A chameleon so to speak. When one lives their life that way they lose themselves because they are always playing a part. Obama strikes me as merely a person acting the part of a presidential candidate. Thus the fake persona so many people are sensing.

    • flyarm

      Then everyone better damn well get on the phone to Pelosi and let her have it..I have yesterday and today and I will call each and every day I can..and I have told her..you shove that liar down my throat, I will stay home in Nov..and you will never get another dime from me..nor another days work from me!

      Let her hear from you!!..yes you!!

      • norrismorris

        i HAVE RESIGNED FROM mOVEoN YET THEY BOMBARD ME WITH EMAILS, AND i BOMBARD BACK AND TELL THEM WHY.

        I have called Mme Pelosi’s office, but her fanatic smile and “steely” resolve tell me that her staff daren’t allow her highness to even hear this.

        Something more. A huge email petition to the Democratic leadership. Reid is quiet. But Pelosi leads the pack with Teddy.

        The DNL and DLC should get en masse emails. If Larry could execute a petition, or anyone else, we could make a reasonable difference. Or maybe Taylor Marsh??

  • Mel

    In todays speech by Obama, some are hailing it in the likenss of words of MLK and JFK! Sorry, but both would be turning in their graves right now!

    Everyone needs to stpe back for a moment, as Obama as usual rambles on and on and on! *whew ok now?*

    It is fair to say you can agree to disagree with someone!

    It is fair to say that you can reap from a part and not the whole!

    What is blatently not fair to say is that the time for bettering racial divide is now, when you are the instigator of such divide! To claim on SC as a victory both of blacks and whites when your own campaign created and flamed the racial flames before the primary as proven with the exposed 4 page memo, proves your willingness to win at all costs!

    To say your church and all its good for the community does not fair well with your actions for your community, and you Sen Obama were in the position of power to do far more than your church could ever do in resolving such unruliness within your community, instead you sided with the Slumlord and the Crown family against your community, WHY?

    Yes Sen. Obama, we wept for your story, but when the tears all dried up, rational came into focus and questions again started to arise!

    You claim to be of hallowed upbringing as well as your wife, but truth is, you did fine in the way of American life didn’t you? You live in a mansion in a rich part of town, your first bid which was not acceptable was the most you could afford, well till your friend Rezko got your wife the cushy extra $200 grand at the hospital, then you could afford the additional $300 grand to buy the place, on the heels of your slumlord friend paying the max for a piece of encased land!

    So now that we have again wept at your words Sen Obama, time to ask of you when have you wept, was it while those poor tenants froze to death, was it while that 60 yr old man died from your wifes hospital turned down caring for him because he had no health or money to cover his treatment, was it when the Maytag workers lost their jobs, was it when people were exposed to your friends nuclear plant leak, was it while brave men and women are dying in Afgansitan and you have done nothing, when have you shed a tear Senator Obama, aside from when you filled your pockets with dirty money?

    • simon

      What is blatently not fair to say is that the time for bettering racial divide is now

      For Obama, because he is a disingenuous hypocrite, in desperate need of a new speechwriter, some FRESH talent.

      But Clinton?

      Oh, Mrs Clinton, opportunity is calling…

      • norrismorris

        Simon,

        I wish.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    LOVELY. JUST LOVELY:

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/hayes

    And if, of all things, it is his pastor’s heated
    denunciation of American injustice that undoes the
    candidacy of an African American with a legitimate
    chance at the White House, any conscientious observer
    could be forgiven for thinking: God damn America indeed.

    • norrismorris

      Susan,

      i read this and find it hard to believe. I have found an almost entirely Obama bias at The Nation.

      thanks for the link.

    • RalphB

      The Nation has become a bad joke. Sadly, the limousine liberals at The Nation haven’t talked to a real working American in years, other than their maid of course.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    I could NOT believe he used his OWN GRANDMOTHER — and exposed her regrettable statements.

    How horrible.

    Would any of you EVER do that in a nationally televised speech?

    • simon

      Excerpt from Lynn Sweet’s Blog on the rezko trial:

      Apparently, Obama did not know enough to STOP ASSOCIATING WITH REZKO AND WRIGHT because he hadn’t been in Washington as long as Clinton.

      He does not have inferior judgement, IOW, he’s just a green doofus, and it’s ALL CLINTON’S FAULT. If he had more experience in Washington, he’d of KNOWN not to associate with Wright, and Rezko.

      Aye!

      Obama, making Pelosi look better and better everyday…

      But if his approach is to “blame Washington” for his political problems stemming from his association with Wright and Tony Rezko–an Obama fund-raiser now on trial in Chicago on federal corruption charges–as he did in an interview Monday with Gwen Ifill of PBS, it will be harder to get this episode behind him. A major strategic plank of the Obama campaign is to run against Washington.

      Ifill asked if his relations with Rezko and Wright reflected on his judgement. Obama said, “And probably what’s true is because I haven’t been in Washington as long as Senator Clinton or others that I have not distanced myself from these people for as long a period of time as somebody more steeped in Washington politics might have.”

      http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obamas_biggest_campaign.html

      Reading the Tribuen, and the governments case against Rezko, Rezko is filthy.

      • Linda

        What I do not understand about Obama is that his followers do not see how disgusting his always blaming others for his failures really is. He is claiming that because he is a newbie in Washington, he associates with criminals but Hillary knows better because she is more experienced. Shite!!!!!! If Hillary had ever associated with somebody like Rezko, she would have already been tarred and feathered. She was investigated for years over a land deal that they LOST money on for god’s sake.

        • simon

          What I do not understand about Obama is that his followers do not see how disgusting his always blaming others for his failures really is. He is claiming that because he is a newbie in Washington, he associates with criminals but Hillary knows better because she is more experienced.

          Right, Obama inadvertently making the argument Clinton is better qualified, showing superior judgement.

          If he feels lack of experience, in Washington, kept him from making a good decision in regard to Rezko, the Presidency will present myriad challenges.

          And what does any of it have to do with Washington, as he was associated with Rezko, and Wright, for almost 20 years?

          • DJ

            Rezko was doing his dealing and wheeling in Springfield. Obama is not involved in anything for which Rezko is charged.
            And if the FBI didn’t find anything on Rezko until recently, why should Obama know more?
            He is brilliant, but not clairvoyant.

            • Mary

              Sorry to jar your Disneyland, but the FBI had a mole in the Rezko operation, and he is prepared to testify that Obama and other Rezko-connected politicians showed up around Rezko’s “operations” often, to impress his business friends.

              Obama was CLOSELY connected to Rezko.

              • Strawberrybitch

                Oh dear God. Please let this come out before Obama wins the nomination. I know I’m jaded, but I have this sinking feeling Obama will still take it and the Republicans will feast on him come November….can Hillary run as an independant?

      • DJ

        Linda, I understand that Mrs.Clinton appeals to un-educated or undereducated women, but you should really try to google Clinton’s connections with donors, some serving in jail, and some investigation by the FEC where they fined the Clinton campaign for fraudulent campaign financing report.
        Read up a little

        • Mary

          DJ, dear, I have 2 graduate degrees, and Mrs. Clinton very much appeals to people like me.

          Perhaps you should back off ASSuming that Clinton’s followers are ignorant and uneducated.

          It is Obama’s supporters who are naive.

          • seeker

            Same here. I am also sick of being called “ignorant”!

        • IndyRobin

          DJ…

          I find it odd that the very supporters of the “party of chage” continually resort to the most basic and demeaning of stereotypes i.e
          ‘uneducated” Masters Degree STFU

          • Mary

            I suspect our DJ is a young college kid with Mommy and Daddy still paying the bills, using “clever” talking points he heard on some we-love-Obama website.

            He doesn’t sound too informed or sophisticated.

        • Andy

          DJ, go try your misogynism somewhere else pal; and refer
          to this woman as Doctor

          How far did you get in school? Yeah, I can imagine….

        • Hope

          DJ – Undereducated women? You have no idea who frequents this blog.

        • Bobbi

          Well Obama supporters are misinformed, I am a Hillary supporter and I have two degrees and a master degree. Someone has misguided you or you want believe that, I suggest to become better educated to the people who supporting Hillary.

          • TeakWoodKite

            10 years of college level education has made me ignorant…geez.

            In fact if we could all go to college for free, who the hell would want to work anyway? That would be OUTSTANDING!

            The more I learn the dumber I feel. :)

    • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

      I’d have asked permission first, assuming she were still alive, but yes. We’re all imperfect – I think that’s one of the things we need to realize to address racism. Having prejudices doesn’t make you a bigot – not being able to see past them does.

      • simon

        Having prejudices doesn’t make you a bigot – not being able to see past them does.

        Some refuse to even recognize they have a problem, though, and that’s where it gets dicey.

        I wonder if Farrakhan and Wright, or even Obama see themselves as bigots?

        Does Kos?

        • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

          Without getting into specific personalities, I think being able to recognize oneself as a bigot is almost a contradiction. I’ve certainly never encountered any who I thought honestly realized they were.

          As for Obama, I don’t believe he’s a bigot, and I have yet to see anyone make a good case that he is. He’s an opportunist, and he certainly has done some questionable things as a politician. I don’t like him, quite frankly. But I think on the question of race he’s displayed a good understanding of where we are. You don’t get that understanding by being a bigot, IMHO.

          • simon

            As for Obama, I don’t believe he’s a bigot, and I have yet to see anyone make a good case that he is

            Why do you think a man ignores the welfare of his black tenants?

            Why do you think he allows himself to listen to a man like Wright, embracing him?

            Is it ionic racism?

            Sorry, those actions speak loudly, much louder than words.

            Obama is a bigoted shithead.

            Perhaps our ability to recognise bigotry differs.

            • Linda

              I agree with you, Simon. I believe he is a bigot. He is willing to use black people to enrich himself. He sees other black people as lesser than he and he is willing to exploit them to the full extent of his ego. If that is not bigotry then what is?

              • Mary

                Well said, Linda.

                Obama IS the worst of bigots.

                He’s even willing to throw his own grandmother under the bus to promote himself.

                It’s despicable.

    • Michaela22

      ‘good point about the grandmother Susan..but what surprised me most..he never mentioned his white mother…what’s up with that?

      On another note…my take on this speech was…he addressed the AA but left lots to be desired for the white folk…and he is supposedly the uniter…when does that chapter begin….just saying!

      • mimi

        What do you expect? He threw his white mother and grandmother under the bus long ago. His grandmother has been carefully hidden from view. He did this to get the blind loyalty of the AA community and their unwavering commitment. Had he been a bi-racial, multi-ethnic candidate from the jump,a lot of blacks might have stayed on the Clinton bandwagon. Obama couldn’t have that. He needed to alienate the AA community from the Clintons. He needed the same kind of blind, subjective loyalty from them that they gave OJ.

        As far as Obama is concerned the only way to prove you are not racist is by voting for him.

        • Mary

          I noticed that, too, mimi. He MADE SURE the media interviewed his Black Kenyan grandmother, but not a word, not an interview, for the white grandmother who actually raised him with love and sacrifice.

          He NEEDED that Black grandmother politically.

          That’s pathetic.

        • TeakWoodKite

          I always enjoy what you post mimi.

          he been a bi-racial, multi-ethnic candidate from the jump,a lot of blacks might have stayed on the Clinton bandwagon.

          which from your comment I gather, that certian contructs prevent the AA community from drinking O’ kool-aid if he had been marketed this way?

      • karen Anderson

        I found it offensive when he mentioned the OJ Simpson trial by referring to his nickname in the singular: “OJ,” as if Simpson is a “brother” and not a double-murderer. As someone who knew Nicole Brown Simpson and is a friend of Denise Brown, I can state for a fact they the Browns find it offensive when people refer to the killer as “OJ.” Coming out of the mouth of a would-be president who should know better, it’s highly inappropriate.

        • smartin

          Is this the same Karen (Kim) Anderson who graduated Punahou HS and worked at GEICO?

    • PMS (Bluedog Dem in TX)

      I could NOT believe he used his OWN GRANDMOTHER — and exposed her regrettable statements. How horrible.

      Would any of you EVER do that in a nationally televised speech?

      You would if you “willing to do anything to secure the nomination”, as Axelrod said about Hillary earlier. The Rove methodology again. Accuse your opponent of what you are doing.

    • Hope

      He has obviously chosen his “uncle” the Reverend Wright/Wrong over his blood tie to his grandmother and has used her to make a political point. Through this disparaging remark, he has distanced himself from his white blood and has revealed his partiality towards his black lineage. This was a very disrespectful, hateful thing to do to his white grandmother who loved him dearly. He has not gotten past his own racism. He has though taken on Reverend Wright/Wrong to be his surrogate father, one could surmise, as his own father abandoned him and his mother when he was but two years old. Please correct me if I am wrong.

      O’bama cannot even stand up and honour his entire bloodline. Who needs this kind of person in the White House. He’s far too delirious for my taste.

      Yes he is an eloquent speaker, but so what. He has stirred up a hornet’s nest now.

      • Mary

        Well said.

        Obama’s desperate need to identify politically in the southside of Chicago led him to WELCOME Rev Wright as his “uncle,” but his own bigotry made him REJECT the very white mother and grandparents who loved him and nurtured the very “dreams” he wanted to make happen.

        His mother never told him the truth about his father because she wanted him to love and admire the man. But the truth is, she divorced him because she discovered he already HAD a wife and 2 children in Kenya.

        Obama never knew that until he was 21 and visited the Kenyan family after his Dad’s death from alcoholism.

        His “Dreams of my Father” should have been titled “Dreams Nurtured by my Mother and Grandmother.”

        But Obama was so desperate to prove he was “Black enough” that he threw them under the bus, and embraced Wright instead.

        Ungrateful, self-centered twit.

        • Hope

          Well said! And why don’t we hear more about the WOMB that bore him? Why hasn’t he come out honouring his mother more? Does he discriminate against her for her whiteness too? Disgusting! He should be paying homage to his mother for teaching him tolerance and understanding. It wasn’t his white mother who abandoned him but rather his Kenyan father who didn’t have the decency to raise his American born son! So why does he choose to write a book honouring his absent Kenyan father and then make disparaging remarks regarding his white grandmother who stood by him and didn’t abandon him, but proudly nurtured her biracial grandchild – as did his mother? Isn’t it because he doesn’t want to alienate the African-American community?

          Well if he wants to put it all on the table then let’s go and let it all hang out as we used to say. Let’s just say it all people. That is what I intend to do now.

          And why would we need a conflicted person like this for President of the USA? We’ve already lived 7 years + with a half-breed, dry alcoholic dimwit.

          We need someone who is stable and isn’t still fighting inner demons regarding their mixed blood heritage.

          • Mary

            Frankly, I would never vote for a President/First Lady who allowed their children to spend all their religious lives in Rev. Wright’s church, hearing all that venom and crudeness.

            I am literally APPALLED that Michelle Obama didn’t immediately remove her lovely daughters from such hatred. Obviously, this is what she wanted her children to learn. Have those girls even MET their white great-grandmother, or been told about their Dad’s white mother’s love for him?

            Shame on you, Michelle. Shame on you.

            • Hope

              Mary she didn’t remove them because those are the values she wishes to instill in them. Isn’t that pleasant?

              • Mary

                I think those ARE the values Michelle wanted her daughters to learn.

                You know….hearing their pastor say Clinton did the “dirty” to Blacks just like he did Monica, while gyrating and thrusting his hips, standing in the podium.

                If these are Michelle’s “family values” and these are the role models she CHOOSES for her daughters, then she’s not worthy to be my First Lady.

                Mothers should ALWAYS put their children’s welfare above their husband’s political ambitions.

                Period.

    • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

      Headlines from speech:
      Obama throws grandmother under the bus.

      Really, i thought Roger Clemons throwing his wife under the bus over steroids was pretty low..
      But this is pretty low..poor granny

      • TeakWoodKite

        Then the reindeer ran her over as well, while BO was heard to say HO HO HOE…

        Amazing headlines indeed.

    • rwc

      What can you expect from a guy who totally disowns his white side and then embraces a toxic theology that promotes black superiority and racism against whites, marries a woman who just oozes hate toward white America and promotes himself not as multiracial but as a black man running for preznit.

      So its not surprising he’d throw the grandmother who raised his sorry privileged ass under the nearest bus to further himself.

      And whats worse given his prediliction to lie all the time, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least that he made it up.

      This guy is a nightmare.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Clinton widens leads over Obama in Pa., poll finds

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08078/866068-100.stm

    Tuesday, March 18, 2008
    Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    Sen. Hillary Clinton has widened her lead over Sen. Barack Obama in the Pennsylvania Democratic presidential primary battle, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

    Sen. Clinton now leads Sen. Obama, 53 to 41 percent among likely primary voters, the poll said. This compares to a 49 to 43 percent Sen. Clinton lead in a Feb. 27 poll. In that survey, the momentum was with Sen. Obama, who had narrowed a 52 to 36 percent gap from a Feb. 14 poll.

    • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

      I think this is one of the advantages to a long primary season. People can get a better perspective of a candidate over a long run.

      • Mary

        I’d be curious to know how many of the whites in Ohio now REGRET voting for this man.

        • mostest

          I wonder how many blacks regret voting for Obama.

  • jwrjr

    Unfortunately (and unsurprisingly) Obama supporters see this speech as wonderful. As suggested above, on another website a commenter referred to this as Obama’s “I have a dream” speech. It is a pity that his actions (and yes, judgement) do not live up to the promises in his speeches.

    • MarkL

      Yeah, Obama has a dream… so do I. I dream that he will go away.

      • Hope

        Obama may be having a dream, but we are suffering a recurring nightmare starring him as executioner.

  • abiodun

    As a Clinton voter/supporter in VA, I am straining to understand how tearing down one democratic candidates helps another.
    I was willing to listen and critique Obama’s speech without my views being jaundiced by my allegiances. There is some truth in the speech whether we admit it or not.
    I will accept the dem candidate that comes out of these primaries-because I really do NOT want McCain in the WH. This is only hoping in this process we don’t hand the election to the repubs.

    • Mary

      If we choose Barak Obama, we ARE handing the election to John McCain.

      I live in Texas. They will NEVER cross over to vote for him now. NEVER.

  • Kefa

    So then why not leave the party and run third party?
    Why give up? Why as a concern people would we give up to this guy? I have given years in the service, money to campaigns to lose to people like this??? No way!!!
    If she will run, I will stand by her.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Wonder how that polls.

  • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

    I’m not an Obama supporter. Far from it, in fact, but I disagree profoundly with your anonymous commenter’s assessment of the speech. I don’t think it was in any way meant to turn blacks against whites. In fact, Obama pointed out what I think is the truth – there’s a lot of anger on all sides on the issue of race. Some is justified, some not. I think anyone who disagrees probably hasn’t read the whole speech.

    As for the fact that he admitted he’d been disingenuous before about what he knew of Wright’s thinking before, that’s certainly true. I didn’t mention that part in my reaction to the speech, because it was peripheral to what I was writing about. I’ve added your lead paragraph in an update, though.

    • simon

      Cujo,

      Obama is a disingenuous criminal with no credibility.

      A hypocritical candidate always spews, if your take on this speech was anything other than Obama lying, you really aren’t aware of his character.

      He made his bed, he dug his grave.

      Per Rezko, if you’re following the trial, apparently the FBI mole John Thomas has said Obama visited with rezko at least once a day.

      The prosecution has already played a few of the audiotapes implicating Rezko, and he is filthy, extortion, money laundering, and STEALING money (millions of dollars) from the public, including the IL teachers fund.

      Incompetent criminals grabbed control of the board, IL teacher pension fund, and engineered a coup so they could direct investment to favored Rezko firms, allowing no outside observation, and using the retirement money for personal enrichment, through god knows WHAT kind of investments, but ultimately, not for the teachers benefit. And Rezko took kickbacks for directing business.

      THIS is whom Obama choose to align himself with, he’s garbage.

      • simon

        BTW, Cujo, this board criminality by the man Obama calls his political godfather cost average IL teachers, retired teachers, parts of their pensions, it is THEIR money.

        Obama is a trash, Cujo.

        Has anyone ever stolen your life savings?

      • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

        None of which, I think, contradicts what I wrote. In fact, Rezko has a very different ethnic background from Obama’s. That hasn’t deterred him from associating with Rezko, either. Obama’s an opportunist, and is certainly tied into a corrupt political machine far too much for my comfort. That doesn’t mean his speech is designed to make black people hate whites, or vice versa.

        • simon

          None of which, I think, contradicts what I wrote

          You are tacitly trolling Obama as a viable candidate.

          I am telling you he is a criminal, vile shithead.

          And we’re through, I see your agenda here.

          Your arguments are disingenous lightweight shit, too.

          You know, you remind me of Adam B…

          • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

            I’m not trolling for Obama, tacitly or otherwise. I abhor stupid arguments, and you’ve just made one. All you need to do to understand what I think of Obama is to go to my blog, click on the keyword “Barack Obama” and read.

            If you’re too lazy to do that before labeling me, then your opinion is worthless.

            • simon

              I abhor stupid arguments, and you’ve just made one

              You make statements you do not support, when you try your reasoning is flawed.

              Try again, you’re trolling.

              from your former post:

              In fact, Rezko has a very different ethnic background from Obama’s

              This is not germane to the argument, a simplistic attempt to distract.

              You’re trolling, or you’re stupid, Cujo.

              Either way, you don’t impress.

              Check your blog?

              Oh, yes, I take your word for it, a poster I find disingenuous, and sophistic.

              A little false wall paper solves everything, right, precious? uh huh..heh.

              And I won’t take time with sophistic trash, why would I waste my time with work I find mediocre, and uninteresting?

              The Do0d Abides, heh.

              • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

                I offered to you to go look at what I’ve written about Obama, which goes back almost a year. If you don’t want to believe that, you could do a google search of this site to see what I’ve written. If you think that I spent all that time writing things about the problems that I have with Obama just so I could troll for him now, then you are an unimaginably obtuse human being.

                No amount of “support” for my arguments would affect your opinion. You’re a shithead, and I’m not wasting any more time on you.

                • Mary

                  Cujo,

                  Do you think Obama would ever have made this speech if hadn’t been forced to, due to the tapes and his dip in the polls?

                  Do you think the Obama campaign’s use of race-baiting in this campaign GELS with the so-called “lofty” crap he said today?

                  Obama is much like George Bush, Cujo:

                  He SAYS one thing, but he DOES something else.

                  Quite clear now that he’ll do or say whatever it takes to win.

                  • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

                    I think it’s clear that I don’t trust Obama. The word “opportunist” has appeared in at least a couple of the comments I’ve written here. People are primarily defined by their actions, and on that score Obama is clearly wanting.

                    I don’t claim to know what’s on his mind, however. I also don’t believe that this speech is designed to turn blacks against whites. It seems clearly designed to do the opposite, in fact. That it is also designed to get Obama off the hook for both his own and his supporters off the hook for their past actions seems like a reasonable assumption.

                    Obama does resemble Bush in certain ways. His inexperience is one, and the fanatical devotion of many of his supporters is another. However, as Simon has demonstrated here, that’s not exclusively an Obama problem.

                    • http://papertigertail.blogspot.com Other Lisa

                      I agree overall with Cujo – I think Obama is first and foremost an opportunist. I don’t see what Cujo said as “trolling for a candidate.” I’m a HRC supporter who really truly does not want to see Obama as the nominee – first because I think he’ll lose, second because I’m increasingly convinced he’d be a disaster as President.

                    • Mel

                      Cujo, I have read Obama’s speech and not just once, but a few times, trying to grasp from it the reasoning behind it, as the questions that have arisen the past few days needed resolve! Did the speech bring resolve, no it inflamed a situation that was not part of the campaigning season except when Obama’s camp used it before SC and in NH!

                      It did not answer the reasoning behind Obama continuing with a church or minister who the sunday after 9/11 made the statements he made, which Obama claims no knowledge! That is an outright lie, as such a condemnation of America when it was just attacked in a sermon as Wright gave would in any parish in the world resonate throughtout the parisheners for weeks afterwards!

                      Obama as a stuart of the government had a duty to come forward and squash the rhetoric, instead he did nothing and expects people to believe he was clueless as to the sermon!

                      The pattern of Obama is clear, when confronted with something claim ignorance, thus justifying why he has no business being President, let alone holding any form of public office!

      • Hope

        Simon,
        Didn’t Obama say he hardly knew Rezko? And now we find out he had been visiting Rezko every day?

        And he thought the public would never find out I guess. Wow!

        • TeakWoodKite

          Obama: Rezko told me.

          Didn’t Obama say he hardly knew Rezko? And now we find out he had been visiting Rezko every day?

          According to Obama’s recent “interview” he said he would meet Rezko “socially” 5 or 6 times a year.

          HEH

  • Marilyn

    I have a dream too but that dream will become a nightmare if Obama becomes prsident.

  • kaffeen

    For the sake of our party, drop out of the race now Obama.

    Mr. Obama is arrogant and lacks the judgment and character to be POTUS.

    Obama’s many speeches, books, and online posts reference and in many ocassions duplicate sermons, words, or books by the Rev. Wright.

    Rev. Wright specifically endorses black theology and regularly quotes and/or references persons who are historical figures in black theology (this includes, James Cone).

    As Rev. Wright has said on many ocassions, you should read James Cone. That is what Obama believes in (black theology). In Cone’s words, he believes that the only God that should be worshiped is the one who will empower the AA community and *destroy* the white community. If you think I am making this up, go read for yourself.

    • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

      I think what Obama believes is something only he knows. Reading books related to one’s interest doesn’t mean you agree with them. Or do you think reading Mein Kampf means that you’re a Nazi?

      • kaffeen

        Perhaps Obama could have listened to Robert Kennedy and learned something. Robert Kennedy said: “I have not come here to propose a set of specific remedies nor is there a single set. For a broad and adequate outline we know what must be done. When you teach a man to hate and fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his color or his beliefs or the policies he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies, to be met not with cooperation but with conquest; to be subjugated and mastered.”

        • simon

          Obama didn’t need to READ Robert Kennedy, he only needed to PROJECT Robert Kennedy.

          I mean, they’re sheeple, they’ll vote for anything.

          Can you imagine being THAT stupid, thinking like that?

          Aye, too much Britney Spears, indeed.

    • Hope

      Kafeen,

      And don’t forget: to Rev Wrong et al – Jesus was black and was killed by Italian men.

      Go figure.

      • yttik

        LOL, I remember that, Wright said the Italians killed Jesus. First I was reeling from Rev Wright calling Hillary (and all women) priviledged oppressors of black men. Then being Italian, I discover we’ve killed Jesus, too!

        Honestly, all of this on top of my regular agenda, (stealing Christmas, putting everyone on welfare, promoting the homosexual agenda) No wonder I’m exhausted!

        I like the quiet Christianity of people like Jimmy Carter. He’s always tried to practice his values without screaming them at you. I am tired of loud mouthed preachers trying to force their personal distortions of Christianity onto politics. Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and now Rev Wright.

        • Mary

          LOL
          Italians killed Jesus.
          The American government created the AIDS virus to kill Blacks.
          The American government introduced cocaine and drugs into Black neighborhoods on purpose.
          The government “injected” syphillis into Black men.

          Good God, THIS is the man who Barak’s mentor?

          Jeeeeez Louise.

          • Michael Lafferty

            I don’t seek to defend the words of Reverend Wright here, but one only need read about the Tuskegee incident—or, more properly the Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male to understand his angry words.

            Look it up…

            • GodDamnAmerica

              Michael, thank you for your point. But Government didn’t inject syphilis into Black men. Tuskegee was a national tragedy, one of the worst breaches of medical ethics in history. And it was Bill Clinton who made a formal apology in 1997, 25 years after the experiment ended.

      • Mr.Murder

        And don’t forget: to Rev Wrong et al – Jesus was black and was killed by Italian men.

        Go figure.

        -Hope

        Channeling Public Enemy’s appearance on Saturuday Night Live?

        They had a rap skit about not blaming Jews for the crucifixion.

        “Don’t blame the Jews,
        the Italians did it!”

  • Robert Polson

    Obama said “we have a choice” of accepting “a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle … We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies. … That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, ‘Not this time’” (release, 3/18).

    If Obama would like for media to move from the divisive issues of race and Jeremiah Wright, then why did Obama campaign push the issue in South Carolina? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html

    Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist has stated that there is an “insidious pattern” with race on the part of the Clinton campaign: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Axelrod_Clinton_campaign_has_insidious_pattern_on_race.html

    Here is Obama slamming Ferraro for her statements but he only responds to Jeremiah Wright when he is called on it:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/11/ferraros-remarks-about-o_n_91008.html

    Jackson, Mississippi on March 10, 2008:
    Obama: “When in the midst of a campaign you decide to throw the kitchen sink at your opponent because you’re behind, and you start, your campaign starts leaking photos of me when I’m traveling overseas wearing native clothes of those folks, to make people afraid, then you run an ad talking about who’s going to answer the phone at three in the morning, an ad straight out of the Republican playbook, that’s not real change. That’s not real change. That’s the same old thing.”

    But wait a minute, I thought Obama took Hillary Clinton at her word that she didn’t circulate the photo:
    “I take Senator Clinton at her word that she knew nothing about the photo,” Obama said.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/26/politics/main3880206.shtml

    This is a disturbing pattern on the part of Obama and his campaign where they stir the fires and then make a statement decrying what has occurred and then state that the media is not addressing the “real” issues. Obama and a complicit media want this issue of race to go away as quickly as possible, but the Obama campaign has been hitting on this issue from the get-go. Don’t be bamboozled.

    • mimi

      Exactly, the hunter got captured by the game!

      AKA poetic justice!

      • Mary

        Hoist on his own petard.

        • TeakWoodKite

          We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card

          How deftly he twisted others in his own wind…
          His arrogance prevents from taking responsibilty for his own actions and choices…

  • Ken Hoop

    There is a difference between “controversial” and “objectionable.” Then again, I’m going with the only candidate who is exactly how is self-represented, who always opposed the war and never kowtowed to “The Lobby.”

    Vote for Ralph Nader!

  • AlC

    Are his supporters going to finally wake up and smell the coffee, instead of simply drink the Kool-Aid?

    • Andy

      No, of course not. Te speech was for them to melt all over him. They say
      “wow I never ever heard anything so courageous” “what a man” “I cannot stop crying” “He will be a President like no other, ever” “I was a strong supporter but now, after that speech I am a fanatic” and on and on and on and on….

    • Hope

      They are too invested in the Kool Aid profits to admit their mistakes. They will continue on in their bumbling until the bottom falls through in November, after which they will have no one to blame but themselves. I would guess they will try to make Hillary culpable for the entire debacle.

  • Andy

    Just read a great summation of Obama’s speech:

    Re: Closer to Wright? [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

    The more I think about this speech, the more I think Obama said: Damn straight, Rev. Wright is angry. That’s how I wound up at his church. That’s why I stay there. I’m mad too, I just control it better. Now let’s get electing me president so we can all feel good.

    A good article about the speech:

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/03/020069.php

    • ckrantz

      That’s why I stay there. I’m mad too, I just control it better. Now let’s get electing me president so we can all feel good.

      I think this is the key. Obama is an angry, ambitious and and an outsider who is working ruthlessly for his goal. People like the d-kos crowd is useful idiots. Obama is certainly not some saintly Jesus figure.

      In a way Obamas church and Wright is what Obama are. Anyone remember what Spengler wrote? Even Michelle Obamas comments fit.

      http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa02.html
      Barack Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother’s milk, but worked his way up the elite ladder of education and career. He shares the resentment of Muslims against the encroachment of American culture, although not their religion. He has the empathetic skill set of an anthropologist who lives with his subjects, learns their language, and elicits their hopes and fears while remaining at emotional distance. That is, he is the political equivalent of a sociopath. The difference is that he is practicing not on a primitive tribe but on the population of the United States.

  • PMS (Bluedog Dem in TX)

    The Dallas Morning New’s Editorial blog (wildly pro-Obama… at least until the GE), after wetting themselves over Obamas “Monumental Speech, very Excellent Answer” speech, then covered Hillary’s speech, criticizing her for not talking about Obama’s speech or the Wright controversy.

    They don’t even pretend to be journalists.

  • Patrick Henry

    Whose Material Was that ??

    Who is that Masked Man. ??

  • annie

    These articles are now circulating; in them Obama admits being black has HELPED his career, the same observation that he & the media are eviserating Ferraro over.

    http://obama.senate.gov/news/050626-when_it_comes_to_race_obama_ma/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/washington/24obama.html?_r=1&sq=obama%20third%20senator%20reconstruction&st=nyt&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&scp=10&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1205814418-c8BhsJNXK3fLbHSn/StHLQ

    Check them out. We need to call out hypocrisy when we see it.

  • Frankie

    This was posted over at Taylor Marsh’s Hot Topics.
    It is clear evidence that Obama admitted race was to his political benefits. All the while he called her racist and pounded her for stating the same? Another instance of Obama’s bigotry.

    I’m curious why the major bloggers and the media are not jumping on this.

    ———-
    Why Obama chose Chicago posted by 1950democrat
    03.16.2008 – 2:28 pm

    In answer to a comment on a previous Hot Topic, here is why Obama chose to go to Chicago after graduating from an Ivy League school:

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/bobamasunlikelypoliticaledu.html
    [Obama] longed for an experience that connected him to the civil rights era. “In the sit-ins, the marches, the jailhouse songs,” he wrote in Dreams, “I saw the African-American community becoming more than just the place where you’d been born or the house where you’d been raised. Through organizing, through shared sacrifice, membership had been earned.” Obama wanted to join the club.

    Look how Wright and Sharpton fit with Obama’s ‘community organizing’ methods in Chicago. He gets people mad and threatening riots to get his way, as Sharpton is threatening riots at Denver.
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/bobamasunlikelypoliticaledu.html
    [I]n Chicago’s South Side, his teachers were schooled in a style of organizing devised by Saul Alinsky, the radical University of Chicagotrained social scientist. At the heart of the Alinsky method is the concept of “agitation”–making someone angry enough about the rotten state of his life that he agrees to take action to change it; or, as Alinsky himself described the job, to “rub raw the sores of discontent.”
    ….
    [Obama] was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation [....]

    • Frankie

      Sorry, wrong links

      Annie above got the right links

  • democrat1

    For me what bothers me are not Wright’s comments. There are black extremists and white supremacists. Ours is a free country. Every body is entitled to his own opinions however abhorrent they may be to others.

    But Obama lies and lies with impunity. Only last week he told us that he was not in the pews when Wright uttered any of these inflammatory words. Today he told a different story in the speech. Same thing with so many things.

    If he lies repeatedly, what to believe and what not to believe.

    We can not trust him. That’s why I think he should not be elected President

  • http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com whoframedrudy

    A self-serving speech has no credibility for me. We’re electing an American President — giving that President enormous power for four years. The President has so much power, he or she doesn’t have to answer to the people until re-election time. (Look at Bush and the surge — over the will of Congress, after the voters rejected his Iraq policy in the 2006 election.)

    This self-serving speech tells me nothing about what Obama would do after he gets that power.

    • Kourian

      This self-serving speech tells me nothing about what Obama would do after he gets that power.

      I think that was the idea, dude. I still can’t believe people are buying this bill of goods.

  • Kourian

    Without a Michigan or Florida primary, all Obama has to do is avoid a total meltdown and run out the clock.

    Not necessarily. The DNC will have their say and they’d be fools to let him go forward. Reckon with a lot of Dem voters who now wish they’d not voted for him, contact their representatives…

    The Obama campaign will go down in history as the most cynical campaign ever run.

    Oh to be sure. That’s been settled a long time ago.

    As for his being history – sorry but I wanna barf.

    And soon headed to the trash heap.

    Yeah and I’ve heard he’s also got Tony R to help him buy the best lot.

  • GOPmurderedconscience

    Barack Obama is sooo much better than the rest of us and so straight and so unlike any other politician. Somebody dug out his quote about the Imus incident and there will certainly be many more to come:

    “I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus,” Obama told ABC News, “but I would also say that there’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude.”

    • Andy

      That’s hilarious ! But you see Jermiah is not just his “staff” he is his
      (adopted by choice) “uncle”…

  • bmc

    When are people going to wake up to this man? He is “the political equivalent of a sociopath,” as an astute political analyst recently said in an article at RealClearPolitics. His sense of entitlement; his arrogant confidence in his own superiority; his facile dissembling and hypocrisy; his clear ethical lapses–a charismatic speaker with a petulant authoritarian streak.

    Do we need another 8 years of what we’ve had for the past 8 years? I don’t. I won’t vote for this candidate–I don’t care what race he claims as his own.I know a man of conscience and character when I see one; I don’t see one in Barack Obama.

    • simon

      He is “the political equivalent of a sociopath,”

      I’ve come to believe the precious notion of a sociopath is in fact incorrect.

      All socially deviant behavior, IMO, an be traced to dissociation, usually from some traumatic event.

      The more dissociated, the more criminal.

      So, for instance, if they found some magic way to expose the criminal to the truth of his actions, peeling away the layers of denial, he would not be able to cope.

      The superego versus the id, say.

      Just a what if…

  • mostest

    The first black president will be in the form of Martin Luther King Jr not Malcolm X

    The first black president will not use his race as a shield but as a mixture of what America is-different races and religions

    The first black president will not provide cover to a close personal friend who disrespect a former first lady, a sitting US senator and a former president simply because there was slavery

    The first black president will not associate himself with unpatriotic and hateful persons who believe america should be damned

    The first black president will know that america is a beautiful place but ugly people push the buttons

    The first black president will not be Barack Obama.

  • readerOfTeaLeaves

    With all due respect, no matter who wins this campaign and election, the topics that Obama raised in the speech must be exposed, discussed, and this nation needs to get beyond the racial problems that dog it.

    The smartest thing Hilary did was compliment that speech. Obama is reaching people that Hilary is not — and those of us who care about this country need to **listen** to what Obama is saying about the historical, political context that Wright comes out of.

    Enough demonizing, already.
    Let the wingnuts do that.

    Obama performed a public service, and if Hilary is smart, she’ll take up some of the themes that he raised. Both of them are — or should be! — up against the criminal stupidity that’s using the Fed to cover their sleazy, gambling asses. Stop ripping Obama up – he’s saying something that, if we listen, will allow us to move forward.

    And I don’t see how this nation can be governed if we don’t pay attention to what Obama is saying — because it’s touching a whole lot of people very, very deeply as near as I can tell.

    • simon

      Obama is reaching people that Hilary is not

      You mean those who can’t think, or those in psychological denial?

      The uninformed?

      Trolls named Bob, who can’t troll?

    • Mostest

      To that I say, GROW UP! There will always be racial tensions.

      Its funny when the economy is good and people are being paid and can buy or afford to stay in their homes…this racial stuff doesn’t get that much play.

      The way you solve the racial tension is to have good sound government policies that reduces crime, provides jobs for anyone who wants to work, and makes people feel that their children or going to have it better then them.

      • simon

        Its funny when the economy is good and people are being paid and can buy or afford to stay in their homes…this racial stuff doesn’t get that much play.

        Except of course, if you’re living in New Orleans, or the South and West sides of Chicago, et al.

        Sometimes, even when the economy is good, people still care about social justice, even white people.

        It goes toward all that making a better, stronger union stuff.

    • PMS

      Hillary was working for civil rights for African Americans while “Barry” Obama was avoiding his Black classmates in Hawaii.

      She doesn’t need to borrow “his” themes. Racial and gender equality and justice have been Hillary’s themes for over 40 years.

      /rant

    • barbh

      Don’t suppose you caught the State of the Black Union a few weeks back, Hillary was there, but BO was way too busy to attend…He speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

      He USED the race card against the Clintons and Geraldine Ferraro. I’m not buying anything that comes out of his slick, snake oil mouth.

    • mimi

      I agree with your assessment, and I think some people are crossing the delicate boundaries of the subject of race and we should let the right wing do that. But….

      It was Obama himself who started this. The misquoting by MO of Bill Clinton in SC. The labeling of Hillary demeaning MLK in her LBJ remarks. The Jesse Jackson won SC, too by Bill, Ferraro. Obama has been playing the race card at every turn and now he’s caught in his own trap.

      He was never as generous as Hillary was today by complimenting his speech. He threw the Clintons over and never looked back.

      It was his choice to HIDE his white grandmother. We’ve seen his step black grandmother. I mean she’s just part of the polygamous circle of his grandfather, not even his blood grandmother. And worse, she didn’t raise him.

      These things can’t be ignored no matter how many truths the speech may have contained.

    • TeakWoodKite

      readerOfTeaLeaves; nothing personal and with respect,

      Stop ripping Obama up – he’s saying something that, if we listen, will allow us to move forward.
      The sound of crickets is all I hear.

      One of the saddest things I have witnessed in my entire life, were the scars and active burns and blistering on the hands and face of a young women addicted to crack, as a result of torching her crack pipe all night long. She’s the one, and people like her getting the “ripping”.

      I had never been exposed to this “ripping” before, inspite of an ‘interesting youth’, and will always keep my persective about what level of “ripping up Obama” is occuring.

      Obama performed a public service. for WHO?

      For that girl? For the people of the 313 left by BO to “put clothes on to go to bed”?

      Obama and his wife were a team, working both sides of the street corner, with Rezko, Emil Jones, Pastor Wright, the Nesbit brothers, two Govenors and their “court of jokers”, were all active in violating RICO statutes, influence peddling and recieving kickbacks from minority contracts and SO much more…even aidding and abeiting a fugitive from Iraqi justice. Gee

      This is what I am to listen to? Sounds like nails on the blackboard to me.

  • mel

    Anyone notice how Obama has changed his reasons for running again today in his speech?

    What is the truth ths week?

    This is the guy who flat out liedover NAFTA, so now we ae to believe anymore?

    Wha pissed me off the most is not even 1 hr after his speech, I get an email from his campaign toting an inspirig speech, then asking for money!
    The “new politics by Barack Obama”

  • Andy

    Someone from another blog who is fairly smart, a Clinton supporter, but that will vote and support Obama if he is the nomminee wrote earlier today

    Politically, he had to defend Rev. Wright or he would have lost a chunk of his African-American base. I think his liberal base will be more than satisfied. I suspect the only people who won’t be persuaded are those that wouldn’t have voted for him anyway.

    I was struck and angry to read that.

    This is so cynical. And it touches upon something that it is said (by a regular poster anonymously) at the end of this post.

    There are an enormous amount of comments everywhere from people who say ” ah I have been wavering on my support of Obama b/c of Wright but now, wow what a speech what a man, what a unique opportunity …he has my vote again, now I am not just a supporter I am an Obama fanatic… blah blah blah…”

    There are hundred and hundreds from many middle of the road people. Obama’s speech was designed to deter this people from leaving him out of embarrassment and they were desperate to hear anything good enough from him that would excuse them to jump back on his band-wagon.

    But you see, for these people Wright’s comments per se were irrelevant; they didn’t really care. At their core they saw nothing wrong with them; just a bit “off that’s all”; they talk about “the intonation” rather than the content.
    Many of them don’t know or don’t want to know that forex. the 9/11 comments were made on 9/16 of 2001 as work continued on the rubble of the WTC. (have to read again to see if Obama even mentioned this)

    These people only cared about the “embarrassing situation they were caught in by supporting Obama” (“what will my neighbor say”)

    Obama played the “white guilt” extremely well to give them a cover.

    And I am afraid that many many many of these people are party leaders, superdelegates. And this is what angers me most.

    Second you have people like those I quote in my comment above: these are people who know that they will have to vote Obama if he is the nominee because they want a Dem. back in the WH no matter what. So they support Clinton but if it doesn’t work out then they’ll go for Obama and so they are all happy to clear the air and to move this aside as quicky as possible: as in “Obama, we take your word for it, let move on. ”

    I cannot bring myself to read what the pundits are saying out there; I am far too depressed at the readiness of so many people to justify, excuse and through Obama embrace Wright. For as Kurtz said they come together in one package of a 20 years intimate relationship that covers most of Obama’s adult like.

    Stanley Kurtz correctly points out:

    “Obama says he’s too close, and too personally indebted to Wright, to break with him. But how did he get close to Wright to begin with? Wright could not have taken up so huge a space in Obama’s life unless Obama had let Wright in. And Obama let Wright in because of Wright’s sermons, not in spite of them.”

    Someone wrote (I am paraphrasing) [Obama] has refused to walk away from Wright ….The rest of us now should have the courage to decide whether it is acceptable to elect as president of the United States someone who carries Rev. Wright around as part of him, and who takes his ranting seriously.

    I don’t know about you; but I cannot get passed Wright and Obama.

    • Regency

      It’s Obama I can’t stand. Wright, I don’t care so much about though I know it’s a killer in the GE. I’m sick of his lying with impunity and his waffling, and flip-flopping. I’m tired of the glowing coverage that won’t last past August. I’m tired of being told that any Dem will do. Any DEM won’t do!

      Hillary (and Bill) is the only Dem I still trust. Dean is a joke. Brazile makes me wanna move to Brazil. Pelosi needs to be demoted and the entire mass-media overhauled.

      I will not buy Barack Obama for President. That is selling this country to the lowest bidder. AGAIN!

      • simon

        It’s Obama I can’t stand. Wright, I don’t care so much about though I know it’s a killer in the GE. I’m sick of his lying with impunity and his waffling, and flip-flopping.

        An individual’s “wallpaper” is a metaphor for their morals, values and ethics, who they really are as a person.

        I made a comment earlier that Obama’s people think a little false wallpaper can cover Obama’s filth, and it can’t.

        They are still operating, trolling, under that assumption.

        They just can’t see the flip side, though, like Bush and Cheney’s guys.

        It makes them vulnerable.

    • Mostest

      Politically, he had to defend Rev. Wright or he would have lost a chunk of his African-American base. I think his liberal base will be more than satisfied. I suspect the only people who won’t be persuaded are those that wouldn’t have voted for him anyway.

      That presumes that no AAs were upset by Rev Wright’s comments. NEW FLASH! Some AAs are leaving Obama because of those comments.

      • Nancy H. Armstrong

        Yes there are a number of black ministers that have been on Fox that do not agree at all with Wright’s tirades. They feel he is not delivering the Gospel in an uplifting way which is how it should be used. They also say most black preachers do not preach hate for your country and all his other lies.

        Actually to be honest I have heard this type of preaching before. It was preached in the pulpits of black churches in the South. As a result of this mentality of take everything from the whitey because they are evil our house was broken into. We had so much taken from us when we moved to Kansas 10 years ago we moved on a song and a dance.

        I truly hoped I would never feel violated again. But all those memories came flooding back to me as I heard those hate filled words out of Wright’s mouth. I have felt violated all over again. Obama can never do enough to make me ever want to vote for him.

        Sorry I got a little carried away there. I am speaking from my heart. I am speaking from real life experience. You have no idea what is what like the night the 15 year old shot at my husband. The things those three boys did to our neighborhood I’m sure have never left anyone that went through the three night of crap we went through.

  • Regency

    Hillary talked economy this very morning but it got no coverage. Best check C-Span. She held a press conference in Philly if I recall correctly with the mayor.

    • Andy

      But *of course* they are all billing Obama’s next two major speeches this week in Iraq and the Economy…

      LOL he can’t stop walking on Clinton footsteps.

  • Prabhata

    Obama plays the race card like Yo Yo Ma plays the cello. He has brought race to the front burner and I’m disgusted by it. I watched a HRC video, the most beautiful endorsements by a 91 year old woman.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vs1x1yEvMpg That the lady is black makes it more poignant because she had to decide between Obama and HRC. While HRC and BC have been reaching to the black community, the man who talks about unity is divisive. Obama uses the most injurious wound festering in the American psyche to divide and conquer. I’m not impressed by words that ring hollow.

    • simon

      Obama plays the race card like Yo Yo Ma plays the cello. He has brought race to the front burner and I’m disgusted by it.

      This is the 5th time I have read this comment today.

      Talking point?

      Obama’s campaign is being destroyed by the race card, a self inflicted wound, a Polish suicide if you will.

      (My Dad was part Polish (the other half Russian), I can make those jokes…lol… sorry)

    • TeakWoodKite

      Yo Yo Ma plays the cello…

      Na,take it from a person who plays one, he does way more than that with a cello.

      Obama is playing the race card like a 6th grader playing a broken drum. He is not good at it. If he was good, he would have found a way, without antagonizing the entire Democratic party and bunch of other people as well.

  • booner

    In a 37 minute long speech, you find two lines that are supposedly plagiarized. Each line has, at its core, a phrase that originated with the founders of this country. A “more perfect union,” something we should all aspire for. That phrase belongs to all of us, every American. It is offensive for you to attempt to claim it for one or two persons.

    This primary season has really opened my eyes as to who some of my erstwhile allies have been and it is not a pretty picture. I am troubled, to say the least.

    You can try to twist and denigrate this speech all that you want to, but every person who actually watches it will see a very different picture. You are throwing everything you have at Obama and hatred seeps out of your every word. I see a great deal of a mentality in this front-page post that I had previously associated only with right wing websites.

    I am getting the idea that this blog would say anything to destroy Obama, a Democrat, and that is disturbing for a place that is supposedly a progressive blog. It has made this place unreadable.

    • Percy

      Booner …..

      Instead of downgrading everyone else, tell us what you think of Obama, and the entire situation, and your viewpoint. I would like to be able to see it differently than I do … why don’t you help with that?

    • Mary

      No, booner.

      Obama has destroyed HIMSELF.

      He may win the nomination, but he’ll never win the general election.

      Not with a spiritual mentor he REFUSES to denounce, who says “God Damn America” from his pulpit, in front of children.

      Obama only gave this speech today because he got caught by the videotapes and his poll numbers were going down.

      Had he wanted this speech to INSPIRE us, he would have given it long ago and never allowed his own campaign staff to play the false race card against the Clintons.

  • Andy

    Hillary put out a statement about Obama’s speech: she is just too classy for this guy. I wish her campaign though reacts a bit more forcefully about some of the most infuriating remarks as those equating Ferraro and Wright.

    • Percy

      I think Hillary need to stay above the fray, and focus on her campaign and let this issue work its way through a bit. There are many other things that she can continue to bring up, like his refusal to cooperate with a MI revote and how he will not agree to seat the FL delegates and willing to loose FL in the GE.

      Super Delegates need to wake up.

      • simon

        I think Hillary need to stay above the fray, and focus on her campaign and let this issue work its way through a bit.

        She should see what drops in the next few days, what other eggs the Easter Bunny brought for Obama…

  • It’sNotMe

    Hillary held a press conference with Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame today and the media cut away as the questions started. TICKED me off. They continue to cover Mr. Hope’s speeches, in full, and ignore Hillary’s. After they cut away from her speech…NOT ONE WORD WAS MENTIONED ABOUT IT! It’s like it never happened! Even C-SPAN 1, 2, and 3 didn’t carry it. I really hate our media. I wanted to hear what she had to say…more so than Mr. Hope’s rhetoric and of course, THEY control what I get to hear.

    As for Mr. Hope’s speech? I couldn’t believe my ears when he threw his white Grandmother under the bus by exposing things she had said to him and he also disrespected his mother, the WHITE WOMAN who actually gave him LIFE, by not even mentioning she ever existed. Shame on him. The more he speaks, the more I dislike him. Honestly. The man just needs to go away.

    • TeakWoodKite

      THEY control what I get to hear.

      intro to “Outer Limits” you say?

  • Mel

    Obama said: I can no more disown [Wright] than I can my white grandmother–a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

    Obama, have you no shame, no morals, no reaspect? This is disgusting, throwing a woman who sacrificed for you, loved you and raised you, and you expose her to the world in such a way, to save your own ass?

    This one entry into your speech today, even though I am sick of it all, but this entry proves to the world 3 things:

    1- You are as bitter as your wife and your mentor Rev, Wright and being such a slimey bitter person is the last person to unite and to bring together!

    2- Your moral compass does not exist as you have been the most distructive candidate in history, even worse that GWB in seeking power, by trouncing others in seeking your political greed!

    3- Your level of disgusting actions has surpassed your lack of caring, your lies over NAFTA and your racism towards the Clinton’s has now shown you are willing to even destroy the dignity and well being of your own flesh and blood!

    And you want to be the moral compass of the country, the great uniter and the leader of hope, after you let people freeze, lose their jobs and ignore voting because it was not suitable for your re-election campaign, to now show the real character you possess, how can anyone entrust the White House to someone who will stoopp to destruction of everyone for the seeking of self gain?

    This one statement defines the person you are Sen Obama, it brings into focus ever inaction you did before, you have defined to America you are not fit to lead anything and should be stripped of any office you presently hold!

    • It’sNotMe

      Obama said: I can no more disown [Wright] than I can my white grandmother–a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

      Reading that quote again makes my blood BOIL. I cannot tell you how angry it makes me.

      • Mel

        Want to know what is wrong with America? Obama exposed it today in his speech, finally from the Canidates lips, the thing he has only sat back and allowed his surrogates do prior to today!

        Obama claims this speech today to be about race, it wasn’t, it was an attempt at self preservation!

        What did he do to validate himself and his relationship with a spewer of hate? He threw a family member under the bus! His grandmother is family, you do not chose your family, but you do chose those you surround yourself with, that is judgement!

        Sorry for being so pissed, but this really makes my skin crawl, his entire speech was to blame everyone from the founding fathers to his grandmother for his choice and judgement in a FAITH mentor, Obama, you are a disgusting excuse for a human being! You have now justified the real truth in yourself, your relationship with Rezko, probalby Auchi and all the other slime your fancy words try to distance yourself from!

        This speech today embedded the fact that every single accussation placed towards you from not voting, inaction and lining your pockets with dirty money all come true, when you willingly and knowingly throw your own grandmother under the buss, a person who did nothing but love and care for you!

        • PMS

          Mel, that really does “cut to the chase” on Obama.

          “You want me to condemn my hate-spewing pastor? Here! Take my loving grandmother.”

      • TeakWoodKite

        Not much clearance under this low-ridin’ bus. Is there?

        Mel, Obama wants change but is not willing to let go of his past with even a measure of grace.

        Mel gets a 3 pointer from center court. swish!

    • Hope

      Mel – Bravo! Well done! This should be published widely!

  • Irish1139

    Why, during his 20-year friendship with Rev. Wright, didn’t Barack try to turn the Reverend around. Obama and his wife are the American Dream. I know Michelle bitches all the time because they had to pay back their student loans but most kids getting a college education work hard. Isn’t that what we do in the US. What doesn’t kill us only makes us stronger? What a great example Obama was for Rev. Wright. Why didn’t he speak to Rev. Wright as he has spoken to his coalition. Instead Obama sat there for 20 years and drank the kool-aid of Dr. Wright and turned himself into a hateful, spiteful, lying racist. Obama is a racist of the worst kind. Barack has taken full advantage of his grandparents and this country and turned around and spit in everyone’s face.

    Rev. Wright has inflamed 8500 people in his church for many years. That congregation only knows hate for the United States. They have been indoctrinated with foul, bogus information, and they all sat there clapping and nodding their heads.

    Why couldn’t Obama turn Rev. Wright around to his (supposed) way of thinking,i.e. uniter. I know why. He has no courage. It would have taken courage and integrity to try to calm this man’s anger and show the positive things that have come out of the civil rights movement.

    Who is in New Orleans trying to build houses for the 1,000,000 people who lost their homes in Katrina? Brad Pitt and Bill Clinton (two white men if I am not mistaken). Who works for habitat building houses: groups of white and black people working together. When have white people not been available to help out. Never. We are the most generous people in the world.

    Something smells in Obamaland. This country is in real trouble if Obama is elected.

    • Frankie

      It does really smell.

      Here’s the same guy who professed he would hold dialogs to sway policies and behaviors of the US’ biggest rivals like Iran, N.Korea, etc… who harbored far deeper hatred and disagreements to the US than whatever grievance Rev Wright may have against our society. Yet he did not or had not been able to correct or atoned Rev Wright’s behavior for 20 years.

      There’s just too many things wrong about his hollow rhetoric and larger-than-life mantra!

  • Marilyn

    Obama’s minister may have given him religion, but it is the America that his minister condems that gave Obama the opportunity to get degrees from 2 Ivy league schools, the opportunity to live in a $1.9 million mansion,and the freedom to run for President of the United States of America.

  • Linda

    Thank you for this excellent and thoughtful examination of Obama’s speech.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Molly

    Not only DID Obama donate $150,000 of Rezko donations, but there was another $100,000 from a previous campaign that he failed to mention. He says he can’t give the money back though because the campaign is closed.

    Obama’s white grandmother doesn’t preach to thousands of people, does she now?

    • simon

      Not only DID Obama donate $150,000 of Rezko donations, but there was another $100,000 from a previous campaign that he failed to mention. He says he can’t give the money back though because the campaign is closed.

      Stuart Levine testified today Rezko would request kickbacks be distributed as campaign donations (through straw donors), to Democratic politicians.

      I wonder how much Obama really got…

      Asked what he got in return, Levine answered “Access.”

    • TeakWoodKite

      and the money is going going …gone over the field wall of Wrigley Field. and bounced right into a numbered trust never to be seen from again.

  • Mitchman

    This crowd is just unreal,

    Obama gives a frank speech on race in America – even Hillary comes out in support – and you just want to rip the guy to shreds… I have a feeling he will never do anything right in your eyes.

    That said, this election for young folks (like myslef) is not about Republican vs. Democrat anymore – I think it’s about PUSHING “you” out of the Democratic Party if necessary, and I think many on this board feel the same way, but the push is in my direction. A Change is Coming, I think Obama is on the correct side of that change.

    • mimi

      Mitchman and Booner,

      Obama played the race card first and throughout the entire campaign until he got caught in his own trapy. These are unrefutabale facts. Why should we be demeaned for recognizing them?

    • mimi

      Mitchman and Booner,

      Obama played the race card first and throughout the entire campaign until he got caught in his own trap. These are unrefutabale facts. Why should we be demeaned for recognizing them?

    • Mel

      Mitchman, todays speech was an attempt by Obama to derail the association of a candidate and his mentor of Faith that has been questioning his claims to be of superior “judgement” in recent days! Obama turned it into a speech on racial divide! This is fine, had it not been for Obama’s campaign injecting the race cards into this campaign against the Clintons a month ago! Never apologizing for it when it was exposed, he instead simple benefited from it with a grin!

      So doing anything right when the man outright lies continually till caught, is someone who will never have respect in a rational thinking persons eyes!

      As for your statement about pushing the “you” out of the Democratic party, Obama has proven nothing in his record or history that substanciates his words, everything that has been exposed of Obama is comepletey “Me me and more for me”!

      So you know, I was originally an Obama supporter, but the road he chose was not one on which his words were following! His words lacked the actions and motivations his surrogates were performing in the background and with each passing primary, his true colors started to show! Today his distructive path of his need to be President over the trouncing of a grandmother was not only disgusting, but beyond anything other than greed for power!

      So how can change come about when the candidate of change follows a distruction path, surrounds himself with distructive influences and reaps the benefits of distructive people?

      • Mel

        Oh and Mitchman, sorry to bring you false hope on change, but George W Bush campaigned on the same themes in 2000, and look what change was brought upon America then, Bush had no record of change, yet he was a State Gov. and had a record, Obama, a Senator for 11 yrs combined State and National level, and what records of change has he brought about, besides Senators can no longer sit down with Lobbyists to eat? None, his chair has been vacant the balance of the time!

        This country is in peril and going deeper every day, and you thinking an empty pants will change it, reality says not in your lifetime!

    • It’sNotMe

      Have you got a rude awakening coming IF and that’s a HUGE “IF”, Mr. Hope is the Dem nominee. If you think for one second that you young whippersnappers can get him in the WH, I have a Bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. There’s no way in hell Mr. Hope will EVER get by the Republican slime machine and he certainly will NEVER step a foot in the WH as POTUS.

      You-Are-Dreaming. Take off your rose colored glasses and join the REAL WORLD of politics. YOU won’t be pushing anyone out of the Democratic Party. WE are the people who built this party. Change is coming and it doesn’t include you Obama Republicans.

    • http://penitent-thief.blogspot.com/ PMS

      Obama gives a frank speech on race in America – even Hillary comes out in support – and you just want to rip the guy to shreds… I have a feeling he will never do anything right in your eyes.

      Well, he could drop-out before he does the same thing to the Democratic party’s chance to recapture the Executive Branch that he did to his grandmother today.

      I’d applaud that.

  • S. Markom

    Barack Obama is a very smart, well educated, highly articulate, and charismatic individual.

    But here is his problem.

    He has been trying to be something he has never been.
    His appearance is an African American. But was born to a white woman, was reared by a white mother and white grandparents, in white neighborhoods, with white friends, and went to very good white schools. His only connection to the so-called African American experience is after law school with the church and the pastor of that church in Chicago.

    He is one of many lawyers who had political aspirations and I do not doubt that his role as a community activist was to further his political aspirations as was his affiliation with that powerful church, which I do not fault him for. If you are a state legislator from a district then you must be a part of that district. Part of this road to the U.S. Senate was the influence of that church among African Americans in Illinois.

    But when you seek the Presidency then you have to find a way of distancing yourself from the fiery and controversial pastor of that church. He has not and in fact made him an advisor on his campaign team. That was very poor judgment.

    He had an opportunity to push aside all association with Jeremiah Wright and chose not to.

    Instead of distancing himself from 20 years of anti-American and anti-Semitic rhetoric, Obama chose to turn this into a racial divide. In doing so he alienates white working class, Jews (smart ones), Latinos, and other groups.

    If he is the Democratic nominee McCain will be swept into office in a landslide. This is why they created super delegates and the party needs to recognize that while Obama may have the numbers those numbers came before he was vetted and tarnished. His speech today permanently made him unelectable in a general election.

  • Randall

    Hey Idiot,

    The title of Obama’s speech was “xeroxed” from the Constitution of the United States of America:

    “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

    You should read the Constitution some time…

    • DJ

      Thanks, Randall, for a sane voice in this ill-willed, pathetic cesspool

      • Andy

        DJ:

        Thanks, Randall, for a sane voice in this ill-willed, pathetic cesspool

        You must be a masochist for being here then.

        Truth hurts, doesn’t it ?

    • S. Markom

      What does that have to do with anything?

      That he has now plagarized the Constitution?

      • Randall

        If you think Obama “plagarized the Constitution,” you truly are an idiot.

    • Andy

      Hey Idiot,

      Hey Randall, why are you so angry? Didn’t Obama do great today to
      re-assure everyone everything is alright and he is still the one despite he still embraces Wright (after all you don’t erase the last 20 years of your life= Obama’s entire adult life)

  • reality based

    Convicted felon and Nixon aide Charles Colson was reputed to have said that he would “walk over his grandmother” to get Nixon reelected President. He subsequently denied ever saying it. This willingness to sacrifice grandmothers for the Presidency seems downright Nixonian. Henri of Navarre was so much classier when, discussing his need to convert to Catholicism to become King, he said, “Paris is worth a mass.”

  • Dora Ratquila

    Barack Obama has been exposed to be nothing more than a political opportunist who will lie at any given opportunity. His candidacy is DOOMED! The only honorable thing for him to do at this point is to WITHDRAW – though I don’t think his cabal of advisers (including those from Wall Street) will allow that. So see you in Philly and beyond!

  • John

    And exactly as I predicted, Randi Rhodes and Rachel Maddow had competing orgasms over the speech. It was just the most amazing awesome thing ever as far as they were concerned. Naturally.

    I’m sure Olbermann will devote his whole show to it tonight- along with telling us that this “last gambit by the Clinton campaign” has failed and she’s finished and good riddance.

    All the previous posts attack Obama and the speech are dead on- the speech was all about how WE have the problem and how WE need to get over our fears about race and how OBAMA is the only person who can do it. His lie about never hearing the vicious words of Rev. Wright, thrown right out there in the speech, will be completely ignored by the MSM. Just sickening.

    Looks like President McCain. God help us all.

  • Ga6thDem

    Good grief. The Obama supporters that are showing up here are in major meltdown. I guess even they know Obama is finished. His speech won’t help him with any others than the people who drank the koolaid.

  • Pat

    Simon, what is your education level?
    What qualifies you to call Obama supporters uninformed?
    Seems like you and your small group of renegades are the ones that need to soak up more information.
    Are you one of the beer-guzzling, unemployed blue collar worker Clinton supporters we always hear about whose social status makes them suspicious of well educated black men?

    • http://penitent-thief.blogspot.com/ PMS

      That’s me. Thank you for the illumination.

    • Mel

      Pat, name something passed into law that Obama has done, from start to finish, aside from legislation that you cannot sit with a lobbyist, you can stand or lay down with one, but no sitting and eating?

      Education Pat is a means to open ones mind to furthing ones self and ones views upon life and situations, nothing more, as education outside of math, reading and science is theories of which Obama followed that course of education!

      What did Obama’s education bring him? The ability to think, hardly since look who he surrouunded himself with, from Rezko to Wright, that is the depths of this mans character, his education and his abilities! If Obama was so intelligent as you claim, then how come he wasn’t able to turn Rev Wright’s views towards a different path? Only conclusion, because he agreed with them!

      And for the record, I am an extremely well educated person, one who is lost without spell check, admittedly, but I can admit my wrong doings, Obama can’t and never has, he only crafts illusions around him, like David Copperfield, a show and nothing more!

      So before attacking a person based upon their status in life, ask yourself this question, is my belief worthy of everything the person I place my belief in, though that persons acts and deeds?

      Obama failed every time! He called a foreign country liars on something he denied 5 times ever taking place, and today he throws a loved one under the bus for self-gain! That is a disgusting excuse of a human being! Educated or not!

    • Andy

      No, Pat:

      We hold PhD’s here. You must be the uninformed because last time I checked there were more than 13,7 million people out of 27,5 Millon that
      did not vote for Obama. Maybe Pat, you need to read, learn and think before you write.

      • Cee Hussein

        We hold PhD’s here.

        Andy,

        Bill Clinton said only poor and uneducated people should vote for Hillary.

  • truthteller2007

    I cannot believe this man has the audacity to attribute Jeremiah Wright’s criticism to the lack of basic services in inner city areas when he received cash from REZKO, the indicted slumlord who did not provide heat or garbage services to his tenants.

  • Pat

    Mel, and others
    Read the text of his speech again, and this time try to mouth the words.
    Your comprehension of human relationships is zero.
    When did he throw his grandmother under the bus?
    Au contraire…he illuminated that the grandmother who sacrificed for him and loved him more than life was also expressing racial fears or sentiments that made his skin crawl, but he didn’t renounce his grandmother, and he loves her.
    Don’t you have an older relative whom you love but disagree on things?
    Or maybe because you came from racists, you feel you have to keep on being racist?

    • Mel

      Obama said: I can no more disown [Wright] than I can my white grandmother–a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.
      Pat this is Obama’s words, where in it does he say he loves her?

      I read the entire speech, it was a blanket excuse from the forefathers to everyone thereafter who is at fault for Obama attending an racially charged church!

      Had Obama today stood up and apologized to Bill and Hillary Clinton for injecting the race card against them, by his wife and surrogates, a new found flicker of hope could have immerged, but instead to include injecting a family memeber into his excuse for lackiing in judgement proves one thing only, Obama believes in what was Preached at Trinity Church!

      Have you no moral compass in the belief that “family is sacred?” He had no right to inject that into today, yet glorify his father whom abandoned him!

      • norrismorris

        Obama is an expert at playing the victim and the race card.

        Expect more.

    • Andy

      he didn’t renounce his grandmother, and he loves her.

      How do you know this? Are you related to Obama? Or Oprah told you this?

      • norrismorris

        How the hell you do know anything about this cipher with his “stories”?

        Obama is an invention. Oprah is an invention.

        No one knows who Obama is, and his backstory is really??. Victimhood and invention,lies,and narcissism are all I have been able to see through the empty slick rhetoric that means nothing.

        Oprah is easy to understand. She sells merchandise and pushes schlock stories ["Secrets"] and laughably tragic/comic giveaways.

        I am not interested in Obama’s grandmother. His take on Reverend Wright is an abomination of his so called values.

        His poll numbers are sinking as they should, but don’t worry…the Party will take him damaged and all. They are scared witless of their black voter base. Don’t forget…they brought this on themselves and are stuck with him. Hallelujah!

    • Andy

      Read the text of his speech again, and this time try to mouth the words.

      Did you really say “mouth the words” : what do you think we are talking about? Spiritualism?

      We all read the text, some heard him and all one needs is a brain:
      look at his past 20 years association with Jeremiah Wright: that Obama’s reality. We are talking about the next President of the United States. Not the leader of a spiritual movement. “Mouth the words”…unbelievable….

    • PMS

      but he didn’t renounce his grandmother, and he loves her.
      Don’t you have an older relative whom you love but disagree on things?
      Or maybe because you came from racists, you feel you have to keep on being racist?

      Yep, I love my departed Yellowdog Democrat grandmother, faults and all, but I’d never

      use her as an excuse to justify a hate-mongering racist like Jeremiah Wright

      .

      And that’s the key with Obama’s speech… it’s still everybody else’s fault. He lumped more judgment on his grandmother than on his pastor, his own flesh and blood who EXEMPLIFIED by her love and sacrifice what this nation can become, to excuse a man who condemned his country to hell from the pulpit… as Bill and Hillary Clinton cared for the victims and survivors. While Wright (and Obama) threw our country into the fires of hell, Bill and Hillary went to hellish fires of Ground Zero to help.

      I have never voted for a Republican for POTUS in 38 years of voting, but I will in Barack is the Democratic Nominee. I hate to do that. I’ve voted for some pretty weak candidates, but never a cypher, and never a man who didn’t hold his country before himself.

      Hillary has spent a lifetime walking the walk. Obama has spent a lifetime talking the talk.

  • Obama_Hates_America

    Obama:

    1. won’t wear an American flag lapel pen
    2. won’t sing the words to the National Anthem
    3. put his hand over his heart while others are singing the National Anthem
    4. goes to a church that honors the hate spewing Farrakhan

  • DJ

    I agree, I am checking out too.
    I have posted some factual information with substantiating links showing the fraudulent campaign financing of Hillary Clinton, and how the FEC investigaated and fined her campaign, but it mysteriously disappeared.
    I posted it again, it was removed.

    I should have known this was a Clinton dirty tricks site, as from day one they were coming up with fake and imagined accusations, trying to sink Obama.

    Luckily, it is a small, in-bred, irrelevant bunch.

    • Mary

      Don’t let the door hit ya, DJ.

      How many graduate degrees DO you have?

    • Andy

      Dream on…. I am sure you feel better that way.

      We have the power baby!!

    • Andy

      Ah, and Obama: he is sunk either now or in November. He is finished.
      His 20 year intimate relationship with Jeremiah Wright his racism and bigotry
      has disgraced him for good.

    • Mel

      DJ, here is something factual! The Sunday after 9/11, while people in New York, Pennsylvania and Washington DC were still digging out the dead and injured innocent people, Rev Wright was preaching that the “chickens had come home to roost”!

      Now we are to believe that Obama, a State Senator at the time, was neither present (ok, maybe) or was told of this speech by a fellow parishener (bullshit)?

      Wright defiled blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians and every other person who was injured or murdered in that attack on that day, and Obama did what, nothing, except returned to that church week after week! When someone sinks to the depths Wright did, the parisheners have the duty to stand up and say Wright, you are wrong and at this time in history, you have no right to spew such hatred words, especially to the ears of children mistified by the events which just happened!Rev Wright raped the minds of innocense that day in PURE hatred and although it is the right of Americans to do, it is not moral for someone to condon and Obama did just that by not demanding Rev Wright to renounce his vile words!

      So logic dictates Obama is a believer in Wrights words, except when it affects his self advancement and that is disgusting in every sense of the word!

      Actions speak louder than words! Obamas words are just self-serving!

  • Eurogirl70

    The issue at hand is not whether Senator Obama gave a worthwhile speech on race in America, but rather what, if anything, that speech had to do with the matter at hand; namely his 20-year relationship with the Rev. Jerimiah Wright, the vitriol put forward by Rev. Wright, and whether Senator Obama knew of Rev. Wright’s views and was in agreement

    The answer is that the speech in no way responded or addressed any of those issues. Senator Obama decided to pull a Rev. Wright by using the podium as a pulpit to “instruct” us ignorant, uneducated masses as to the plight of AA rage.
    There is no denying that churches,temples, synagogues, etc.., have played an important role in our society when it comes to addressing social ills. However, it would be hypocrisy to see Rev. Wright’s hate-filled sermons in any different light than one would view a Fred Phelps ministry at the funeral of a dead soldier chanting “God Hates Fags”. Or, for that matter attending KKK meetings for years and saying you knew nothing for their race hatred but merely went for the company, coffee and donuts.

    Dr. MLK Jr. said that men should be judged not by the color of their skin but by the “content of their character. Senator Obama is only “on” when the cameras are “on”. If he truly was a man who believed that the plight of AA’s is still not met with the same passion and societal mobilization it is deserving of, where was he when men, women and children, old and young and mostly AA, were freezing to death in 11 apartment complexes in his home district for well over 5 months in the dead of winter? Nothing. If Senator Obama were truly a man of Christian principles, he would remember what Jesus said to his disciples: “That which you do to the least among you, you do to me”! Well, we know what Senator Obama did to the poor in his home district, to Alice Palmer, to other AA Illinois state legislators with more seniority, to unions regarding NAFTA, and to the memory of the civil rights movement! Some character, isn’t he?

  • norrismorris

    Obama has proven that he lies, and no amount of opportunistic rhetoric or speechifying can justify his speeech today.

    From never having heard any sermons that spoke of hate and bias as he said on Fox, today he suddenly remembered that he had.

    Obama seeks to set the agenda for America and tells us to have a conversation about race? So he doesn’t have to campaign any more as he has it all locked up?Just pile the guilt on Whitey and tell us how unhip we are ’cause we don’t know what goes on in black churches? Really.

    What a load of crap, and some will buy this, but I feel he will ultimately be rejected. But the Democratic party has been held hostage by black voters and the elders are terrified of losing them,so Hillary is obstructed and denied.

    So this arrogant stick figure who appeared dwarfed and pinched today wants to set America’s conversation, and deflect us from our distaste and rejection of Wright [and Obama's] screeds? Uhuh.

    If the Black churches are the Ministries Of Hate of America and Americans, how can we abide this? How can we entertain voting for this abomination? Obama tells us it’s all ok because you know, the Blacks are angry, and we didn’t really know how angry they are and this gets worse if we could hear it up close. We rubes just don’t know, ya all.

    The President of our country cannot bring this baggage of hate bias and division to America, and then ask for unity and change.Or curse America, or hear us cursed and passively sit by.

    Democratic leaders have now hit a new low. Pelosi on Sunday TV might as well said…”It’s Obama”, Refusing to work out a creative and fair way to handle two important states by keeping Fla and Mi out of the convention delegate count is going to cost the party.

    The party is disfunctional, unsure,unfair,flawed in judgement,and the elders are totally responsible for allowing an unvetted [or if vetted- where were their brains?] arrogant beginner to challenge Clinton.

    If this is the best they can do, then Dean should be asked to resign immediately. His rigidity speaks of bias,& stupidity, and is headed for the same cliff his bid for nomination did.

    We witnessed politics at its worst as we saw & heard Obama’s “performance”. Then we are subjected to the fanning out in MSM of the antics of the democratic leaders acting like a bunch of jackals as they bash Hillary and praise and defend Obama’s position today on Reverend Wright and Obama’s passive aggressive behavior.

    I am more than disgusted. So much so that I intend to become an Independent and leave the Democratic Party.

    I am revolted by Obama, Wright, the Media and the subordinate teams sent out by the Party with a slew of senators frothing at the mouth for Obama on TV every hour 24/7.

    No matter the evidence, they are determined to stop Hillary at all costs, and the Convention will surely be another suicidal epic. Even dragging Gore onto their side will not save the exclusion of two major states and sticking to their piece of damaged political choice…..Obama the Terrible.

    The psychodrama presented to us by the Democratic leadership is predictably doomed.

  • http://http:/www.yahoo.com Jack-The-Ripper

    What’s Up With This Obama Has Already Won The Nominee,And How Is It That Nancy Pelosi Is Heading The DNC In August,I Think I Read Something That Effect.If This Is True That He’s Already Won The Nomination Then I Say It’s Time To Get Started Sending Out For Hilliary Supporter’s That If She And That Moron Howard Dean Who Is Responsible For This Whole Situation By Agressively High-Jacking Floride,& Michigan Voter’s In The First Place,That We All Who Support’s Senator Clinton Will Vote For Mr McCain,Or Vote Undecided Or Something Like That,In That Way Mr Obama Loses,And Most Of All So Does That Witch Polosi.She And Other’s In The Democratic Party Don’t Like Hilliary Because She Refuses To Kiss Their Assess,She Makes Up Her Own Mind And That Reject Pelosi,It Just Pissess Her Off That She Can’t Control Hilliary Like’s She Control’s Everybody Else In The DNC.I Don’t Know Any Other Way To Put This Other Than To Say I Can’t Make Anyone Vote For Another Candidate But I Will Tell You This Their Is No Way In Hell That I Gonna Vote For That Lieing Ass Obama,At Least I Know McCain Is A Professed Ass Hole,But Mr Obama Want’s You To Believe That He’s Something Totally opposite Of What He Actually Is.Has Anyone Noticed How He Is Willing To Sacrifice His Closest Allies And Distance Himself At Any Cost,What’s That About,Well I’am Going To Voice My Opinion,From The Inside Out He’s Doing Any,& Everything To Get To The Whitehouse….WHY…Hint:Destroy America From The Inside Out,Not On My Watch I’a Sorry.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      This is really hard to read. Please use paragraphs, and don’t capitalize every word. Thank you.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Odd style…Ezra Pound?

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    DO NOT MISS Hannity & Colmes .. it reairs at 9pm PST. Great segments, including Frank Luntz’s dissection of his speech. Devastating.

    • Michael Lafferty

      Oh, Susan: it hurts my head when you suggest things like this.

      You certainly know that I am no supporter of Senator Obama, but citing the agenda-driven pollster and thinly disguised Republican operative Frank Luntz as a source simply because he says what you, and quite possibly I, want to hear or find ourselves agreeing with…

      That’s sort of scary. I understand the effort to derail Senator Obama’s clearly less than honest attempt to ascend to the presidency, but – Hannity & Colmes? Seriously?

      • TeakWoodKite

        I am having a similar “discussion” with my sane half watching the serial hypocrites point out items that are obvious to most thinking people…

        It is a “collison” of sorts eh?

    • Andy

      If you get a clip, could you post it?

  • Mel

    One final note on this speech today!

    Obama speaks of “there is no black Amercia or white America or red America or blue America there is only the United States of America”!

    This being the case Obama has stumped on for months and injects continually into his stumps, where was it said in todays speech?

    Obama flipped into race mode to save his butt today, ignoring his words he continually states and builds his entire vision of hope behind!

    Today he placed divide to excuse his association with a vile preacher who uses the Constitution of Freedom of Speech to slander America! Does the ways of the past only come into play when it suits Obama’s needs, taking the Status Quo rebuttle for errors in Judgement?

    One more note, as adults we have a choice to listen or reject participation in such a persons lecturing! Yet children are exposed to such preaching and thus instills in them these vile rhetorics of hatred of the people of and the country of America! Obama subjected his children to these sermons, is this showing good judgement or is this instilling into innocent children the hatred seed that will continue the same path for generations? Is this change to believe in?

  • lemonv

    This speech is bound to stoke the race embers some more if Obama does not have specifics on how he could unite the race. Oratorical speeches that is not followed by policy would just make the division widen some more because the pro side would be clinging to every word of the speech and then be disappointed when the speechwriter does not meet their expectations. That is why action is important before those disappointments manifest itself more and more.

    Lets just all hope that Obama would deliver on the specifics later on.

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