Who Stinketh the Most? Obama or Olbermann?

Abso-damn-lutely!
You took the words right out of my mouth. (Including the non practicing catholic part. My personal rage at the church was because of the sexism. A friend went to confession and when she admitted to hating her husband because he beat her the Priest wanted to know what she did to make him so mad. When she told me about it I never went back to that church except to let the Priest know what I thought of him and ultimately decided the whole damn bunch of them were a bunch of hypocrites.)

Bigotry is bigotry no matter where it is directed. Many Obama supporters have no problem with misogyny or discrimination based on age but will scream “racist” at the drop of a hat.

I am generally a person that sees things in shades of gray rather than black or white. Not in the case of the “isms”. It’s all bad.

black racism against whites is not comparable to the reverse. However when a black man becomes President then he does become the establishment and all bets are off. Do I think Obama agrees with Wright? Not entirely. But to some extent he must since he sat and listened to it for 20 years. Hey, I do not blame him for seeing the world through a certain lense. However that is not what being a transendant post racial candidate is all about. And if he attended the church for political reasons then he is just more of the same old politics which makes his whole candidacy a fraud… which is basically what I have thought all along anyway.
It pains me to see what sheep my fellow liberals are. They are just as fooled by the media story as everyone else. In this case the media also includes the doppy think they are liberal bloggers.

I wonder if Jeremiah Wright might be part white. Hence his connection to Obama. If you look at Wright, he looks more white than Obama. Makes me think they both have struggled with being biracial. (I am only speculating) Why have they both decided to be super black instead of combining the best of both worlds is a question I ask. Instead both have taken on a black superiority and negated their white heritage. Wright has become a black separatist or a believer in black superiority. This conflict in ones self, denying half his family is troublesome in having a healthy psyche. Perhaps it devolves into a hyperpassivity and an extremely verbal nature. All talk, no action. All his solutions seem to revolve around giving a speech. Obama seems to blame white women and excuses black men, no matter what their transgressions. His father abandoned him and Wright has led him down a path to insanity. It is a strange dichotomy that is weird.

Credibility? Hell, who needs that when you have signing statements?

Obama’s fatherly advice.

Nappy headed hos: BAD

Chickens come home to roost because of those rich white folks in the US of KKK A: GOOD

Well it looks like Hannity got a screenshot too. Well, I did just for backup because the slippery Senator from Illinois is known to get away with stuff!

Jeez, anyone can create a profile about anything on my.barackobama.com This was a user created profile.

But no guys, take the low road. OBama is a black panther!

So since you are an Obama supporter, you focus in on the issues solely evolving around him! What about the racism against women in this country? Latino’s, or Asians? To speak of racism you must incorporate all racism, not singular racial divide! Then talk, but as most Obama supporters, you focus around him! What about the vile remarks Obama supporters make of Clinton? YET YOU FOCUS ON THE ONE STATEMENT OF GDA, WHAT ABOUT WRIGHT’S 9/11 STATEMENTS OR HIS ATTACKS AGAINST THE CLINTON’S OR THE VAST OTHER DIGUSTING WORDS OF WRIGHT?

Where in Obama’s speech did he include them? Women have been suject to discrimination longer in America than blacks have, but they still don’t count? Tell that to native Americans!

Problem is he injected a division of race in order to save his ass and has done so continually and deserves nothing but stripping of any political office he holds! So tell your story to those in the slums who frfoze while Obama stuffed his pockets with slumlord money!

Get the picture, the WHOLE picture on this guy yet????????

Yes matter of fact ..my husband is a double minority..in 1969 he was on a bus with his co-workers on a business trip and he was not allowed to stay in the same hotel as his co-workers..the Hotel called ahead to the bus to ask what nationality my husband was, because of his Hispanic name.

This was in Florida.

Yes my husband is part Hispanic with a hispanic name, and he was not allowed to stay in a white mans hotel..1969 Florida.

Yes many of us on this blog do understand, your arrogance is telling..i guess this is what Obama means by unity????????

I thought so.

Oh and my husbands second nationality…American Indian, California American Indian! My husband is more American Indian than Hispanic, and looks much more American Indian.

Oh and my mother in law..she was a seargent in the WAC’s during WWII she was American Indian..

My father in law was in Oahu when Pearl Harbor as attacked..he was building the oil tankers..under ground for the US Military when the bombing occured..he saved many American soldiers lives..
he then fought at Omaha Beach with the US Army..

..but their son was not allowed to stay at a white mans hotel! in 1969

yeah i get it real well…so does my husband , who also wore the uniform of this nation!

You mistake tokenized figures for so many signs of social equality, when in fact racism is still ubiquitous discourse and practice that structures quotidian life in this country. I recommend you reread the sociological literature on race in the United States.

I also believe you should meditate on your complicity with racism in the contemporary United States. While you may not have engaged in past actions, you are a beneficiary of a structure that allots opportunities to Caucasians at the expense of African-Americans. Because you embraced those opportunities, you are complicit with the racism you ostensibly deplore. Perhaps this is why you support Barack Obama: his fetishized blackness serves a compensatory role in your psychic topography, one I believe is predicated on the compulsive disavowal of your racist predilections.

The last two sentences of the diatribe you hastily type are somewhat unintelligible. What are you attempting to imply? Perhaps a bit more thought would temper what appears to have been a textual paroxysm, indeed a mere bodily reflex, a mindless movement of the fingers.

JE –

Ms. Ferraro’s comments were not her own and were not an accident.

You forgot to cut and past the rest of the talking point for that crazy notion.

The other things you said were were nutty too, but they were lengthy.

And no, none of us knows any black people or is black. We’ve never heard an unkind word from a black person, and slavery is still alive and well in California.

Does your planet have a moon like the Earth’s or are you it?

I’m sorry to inform you that Obama’s poll numbers have dropped like a rock.

Americans are NOT happy with having been bamboozled and hoodwinked by the illustrious Barak Obama.

When he removes his own daughters from that racist, hateful Black preacher’s teachings, I might take him seriously again.

YOU are now in the minority of Americans who are not offended by Obama’s preacher.

Time for me to weigh in here since I am AA, grew up during the Civil Rights era and thus know more than a little bit about racism.

Here’s why I don’t support BO. He, his wife and his campaign have been playing the race card shrewdly and some say brilliantly throughout this entire campaign. They have advanced lies, engaged in political hyperbole and have, themselves, been downright mean. (Michelle wanting to scratch Bill Clinton’s eyes out, knowing full well that she lied on him? And she believes that Americans have become downright mean? Yeah… she should know.) Finally, Obama got caught in his own trap.

What’s contemptible about BO’s speech and the near orgasmic reaction to it, hailing it as an historic speech is that the reasons behind it are selfish and steeped in political ambition. To compare it to the MLK “I Have a Dream” speech is way more demeaning than the historically accurate comment that Hillary made about LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act because the difference is this: MOTIVE. King was a private citizen, an activist, a minister who was challenging America into long overdue action to END segregation and discrimination. Obama, OTH, made a speech, only after he was backed into a corner, for one reason: he wants to be POTUS!

Obama has trivialized the seriousness of racism, which, although changed and improved, lingers like a bad cough in the body of American society. Obama could have run a bi-racial, multi-ethnic campaign from the get-go, after all, he is bi-racial. But, he chose instead to lean on the symbolism of his visage as a man of color, whose background is completely devoid of any cultural or sociological connection to the very complex heritage of slavery of black Americans in this country.

The notion of whether or not BO was black enough was dismissed and rejected early on as a way of avoiding the truth of his complicated and conflicted background and establishing him as an authentic black man, the first who was making a legitimate run for the office of President. AAs tacitly accepted his ethnic creds as Obama pretended that his campaign was not about race and vehemently rebuked anyone who tied him to the racial question.

Too bad, none of the Obama supporters appreciate that it was not Bill Clinton’s “Jesse Jackson won SC, too,” remarks, nor Ferraro’s “America being caught up in the concept,” statement, (which people like KO actually proves), it was his own pastor’s words caught on video and circulated that nailed him.

Now, I will admit that a lot of what he said is accurate. And certainly it doesn’t matter to me how many white people find the discussion of race distasteful and believe that Oprah Winfrey, and the success of a handful of high-profile celebrities like her negates the reality of the blight of urban black America, because it doesn’t change those things. But neither does Barack Obama’s words which were SELF-SERVING and just more examples of political expediency on his part. That no one in the media even noticed the audacity on his part to speak of poor housing in the black community coming from him who was in bed with a slum lord like Rezko all those years, is just one more example in the LONG LIST of the many media’s biases for Obama.

You can come to this blog and condemn Larry and all of us who support Hillary if you want, but it will not change the outrage of people like me as we have to stomach Obama being hailed as some great Messiah and agent for change when in reality he is just another cold, calculating, cunning politician who personified that cliche when he threw his own white grandmother under the bus in his speech.

As an AA, I welcome the dialogue on the issue of race. But at the same time, I don’t think that white America should be guilted into voting for a bi-racial candidate just to prove that we have transcended the race problem. Why? Because Obama is not the superior candidate. Hillary Clinton is! And in these days and times we need someone who knows what they are doing and can handle the job!

JE, you foolish victim of your own liberal bigotry. Ferraro said the same thing Obama said himself. Hillary has never said anything offensive about race at all.
The only racist here is Wright and you want to excuse him because the “poor black man should have to face reality because of his hard life”. How patronizing and insulting to black people. Do you really think they are so pathetic they are excused for being sensible human beings? Most black people DO NOT agree with Wright and most would not sit through 20 years of that type of sermon.

wow. i mean. wow. spoken like a true Republican authoritarian. you tell someone they are as wrong as a human being can be, then say something as ridiculously arrogant as it can be “i allow people to wallow in their own ignorance”… ya’ know, just to show what a great guy i am…. um, yeah there’s a reason this blog is a turd, and it comes from the top down. please, please get back to security issues, as it’s the only thing you know about apparently. or, perhaps i have misjudged you, and in fact you are equally abysmal in that area as well…. unlike you, i know that I WOULD’T KNOW, and i say it outright. god, the white arrogance and misunderstanding here is unbelievable (yeah, i’m white, and no i don’t feel any “white guilt”), and completely supports the notion that Obama’s speech is needed NOW and we need these conversations NOW. did you people even listen to the speech before you dismissed it out of hand and started parsing the words so that you could rip into any possiblility of an advantage for “your” candidate? (sure, i would vote for Hillary if she were the nominee, though i support Obama — god, in spite of you disgusting people here at this blog)) he addressed the ways in which misunderstandings occur from both sides of the aisle, talked about the reality of racism and the reality of white resentment, and this site is SEETHING white resentment from its pores. it’s astonishing and unbelievable. and then to see the main author, Larry Johnson, who apparently knows nothing about race relations or the actual numbers and statistics and social factors regarding causation and recitivism, etc. of the racial divide in America, to sit here and proclaim that someone else is wronger than anyone can be, though he’ll allow them to wallow in ignorance, is just beyond the pale. Larry, read a frikkin book…. ANY book about race in America. educate yourself sir, and maybe you’ll have an inkling about what the Obama speech was about. there is actual slavery going on in America right now as we speak. actual slavery, based on race. it’s not gone. it’s not the past. and that’s just one small issue. i only used it as a symbol for all the rest — institutional racism, etc. — because the actual slavery is still here. gawd, just like the anti-intellectual/authoritarian Republicans, of which group, you are apparently still a member, you deny the problem, and “la, la, la” about the need for true debate and an honest conversation. i can hear you sneer “well, i didn’t have it so easy…. and i’m a white man”. which is exactly the point covered in the speech. damn, dude, look in the mirror to see someone wallowing in ignorance and self-denail. grow some self-awareness.

but silently supporting a serial adulterer and liar, thats ok.

Actually, he retired at the end of February. Little Lord Obama said that Wright would complete his duties at UCC by the end of March.

Who’s lying now? It’s either LYING or WILLFUL IGNORANCE. Well…what is it?

Isn’t the new minister, Moss, the man behind Wright and to the left who appears intermittently in the Christmas 2007 video? He appears to be rejoicing at Wright’s speech as much as the congregation.

I’m still waiting for a reply. Are you LYING or is it WILLFUL IGNORANCE?

A Dem-
I HOPE you find the TRUTH. Authentic truth is the only thing that will bring about CHANGE.

you seem very angry. you are out of touch. i recommend you read and reread larry’s essay until its full import and significance is comprehended.

Wonder if John Adams is one of Obama’s ten?

“By the way,” just as an aside. You know, I’m not a historian, so— There’s a hotel, I think it’s the Capitol Hilton, in Washington; and downstairs, where there are a lot of banquet halls, there’s a whole row of all the presidents. You walk by the forty-three that have been there and you realize there are only about ten who you have any idea what they did.

I couldn’t agree more. And when oh when is Obama going to discuss the drug problem that drives crime up, drives mental health admissions up, causes children to grow up without any role models and be shuffled from relative to relative to relative, into foster homes, etc., etc. Drugs, particularly cocaine and it’s variants are a problem for both races, but it is a HUGE problem in the black community. Children born of a substance abusing parents cause huge strains on society. The DARE program is the biggest joke. When my son was in school, it was ridiculous the small amount of time they spent with these kids. Not effective at all, in any way whatsoever.

Word is, Olberman’s ratings have sunk lower than Lou Dobbs.

Lou Dobbs is the star of the network now.

Bet that pisses Olberman off, don’t you think?

ABSOLUTELY Fleaflicker..

anyone who doesn’t think the RNC and the Rove machine didn’t capture New Black Panther stuff on Obama’s web site..either are too dumb to vote, or have been on another planet the past 8 years!

If the RNC could smear Kerry..a war hero..

And Smearrrr Max Cleland…another war hero..

Just imagine what they have in store for Obama..

I can see the commercials now..and i don’t even have to tap into much imagination!

The repig 527′s are cranking the commericals out already..and will be up and ready to run ..any time now!..

But they are staying quiet for the time being..because they want Obama like a shark wants bloody meat..

I have watched Gergan the past couple nights on CNN ..saying such nice things about Obama..and all i can do is laugh..are we, as dems, this stupid? do we want to believe our own foolishness so badly..that all rational reasoning is gone?

It is mind boggling to me.

Obama has flooded the internet with paid propagandists,,and he is being run by Howard Dean and Donna Brazile..

and do they honestly think for a minute they will survive the RNC smear machine with Obama and some internet liars and propagandists?

hell only the stupid don’t see the Obama tag teams as they enter web sites..

last night this thread was attacked by an Obama tag team..

it is beyond belief that people do not see right through this …

They will be crushed by the RNC smear machine and repig 527′s…just like Dean was..these people in this dem party are damn fools..and amateurs!

Obama is the shark food..for the Repig party.

He is an amateur..who hear honestly believes Bush and Cheney will turn this white house over to an Obama?..they know the crimes they have committed..and they know their only salvation will be to get 4 years between them and the white house..

its is their only safety net..

and they will do anything and everything to crush and destroy ..Obama!..he will be a walk in the park for them ..or a piece of cake..

and yes remember the wire tapping ..Cheney has that stuff down pat..and i am sure his notebook is full..

Look into Axelrod and his ties to the nuclear power ..

quote NYtimes
“Mr. Obama’s chief political strategist, David Axelrod, has worked as a consultant to Exelon.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?_

G.E. is power..some of those who have given and are on staff with Obama had plans ( or have) to build Nuke plants in Iraq…

think maybe G.E. owner of NBC/MSNBC wants a part of the pie?

Obama will be their ..guy…they made him after all..with the help of the Nuke boys in Illinois!..

please people do look at who Obama has as his advisors..do some research..

and don’t assume everyone with a “D” behind their names is automatically the good guys.

I am a proud Dem ..but i am an American First..

mmmm…..
make that MLK