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Hillary and the Numbers Game

By Larry Johnson on March 22, 2008 at 5:56 PM in Current Affairs

With the racist rantings of Jeremiah Wright exposed, the Obama campaign is working feverishly to try to stay afloat even as it sinks like the body of the Soprano’s Big Pussy–laden with chains and concrete blocks–dropped into the ocean. Obama and his spinmeisters are doing a new bamboozle. They want everyone to believe Obama’s election is inevitable and that he leads by a sizable margin in the popular vote. WRONG!!!

Catch the flavor of the Obama myth as relayed by the National Post’s Sheldon Alberts:

Beyond that, Obama has a commanding lead over Clinton in the popular vote, 13.3 million to 12.6 million, a technically meaningless but still symbolic measure of Democratic support throughout the primary season.

And Real Clear Politics perpetuates the misinformation and insists that Barack leads by 810,000 votes (excluding Michigan and Florida). So, get out your calculator and total up the states that have had a voting primary. Hillary’s only behind a little over 180,000 votes. We will exclude Michigan, since Barack was not on the ballot. We will include Florida since Barack was on the ballot, along with Hillary, and Obama’s campaign ran ads on the cable shows that aired in Florida. We exclude caucuses because, as I have noted repeatedly, they are not Democratic and do not accurately reflect the will of voters (note, in the state of Washington, Barack only garnered 50% of the vote in the primary but won 66% in the caucuses).

Here’s the tally sheet:

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What happens in three weeks when Hillary wins the Pennsylvania primary by 20% of the vote? What happens when she takes West Virginia, Indiana, Kentucky, and North Caroline? She will have more actual votes than Obama. Maybe then the Obama spinners will shut up and face the facts, but until then they will insist that they are not drowning. But Obama’s body politic is bagged and weighted and headed to the bottom of the sea.

Fleaflicker

I fully expect Team Obama to keep spinning the inevitable theme. But I agree, the Obama campaign is headed for the bottom of the sea. We may need to give him a swift and decisive push, but he is going down.

Hope

I’ll start the molds right now – you get the cement.
getrealtoday

I really think that those of us who support HRC need to start a campaign to give Hillary a push. We should bombard Howard Dean, who is extremely inactive, at the DNC. I don’t believe for one minute that he can’t move mountains. I believe that Dean is complicit with Pelosi in trying to wrap this thing up for Obama. The least they can do is portion out delegates from FL for Hillary. Obama’s name was on the ballot in FL and Hillary should get her share of the votes and percentage of delegates. It might not be much but it would be something. Obama should get nothing and neither on should receive anything from MI. If we can’t get revotes then this could be a compromise. Howard Dean is the master here. He can make a difference if he dare do anything at all.

rosaleen

But Obama’s body politic is bagged and weighted and headed to the bottom of the sea.

Ooooh, I like the way sounds!
OldCoastie

I’m not sure how at this point Obama can win Wyoming and South Dakota either. He should, but I don’t think he will.

joe

Don’t forget Puerto Rico. They hold their PRIMARY, not caucus as was originally planned, on June 1 (if not June 1, then June 3). They originally intended to hold a caucus, in which case the endororsement of the Governor for Obama would have weighed heavily on the outcome. However, now they are holding primaries in which turnout is expected to be huge and the Governor is very unpopular for corruption and other reasons. Could be a HUGE popoular vote victory for Hillary and could put her over the top.

anna shane

He’s got all the stops out to bully her out of the race so he won’t have to debate her and won’t have to face the voters. He’s a politician, and it’s maybe the only thing he can do at this point, but I don’t like it. I wish he could talk about himself without having to play the victim to made-up ‘attacks’ by anyone connected to Hillary. It’s depressing. And it makes him even less electable, since his original appeal was that he liked everybody and had empathy with all groups, which one would think might have included those of us who respect Hillary and those of us who can think for ourselves. But, not, oh, well.

Mr.Murder

The Hillary haters backing Obama could explain something.

If he’s so wrought over her supporter’s criticism, how would anyone expect him to be fit for standing up the MSM and GOP slimers in the General?

http://thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com/ Mary Jo Kopechne

And good riddance to bad rubbish, though I’m in favor of protecting our seas.

There does seem to be a one-to-one correspondence between the sinking of the candidate Titanic and the mounting vitriol of his followers. Just spending a little time on the other Dem-blogs (except DailyKos, which I am boycotting) reveals the panic and desperation, the blame, the lies, and the total horse shit that they are now heaping higher and higher.

Speaking of which, this from CNN. “Chief of firm involved in breach is Obama adviser” oh my, you mean it wasn’t a Clinton plot to look at Obama’s passport?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/22/passport.files/

Fleaflicker

though I’m in favor of protecting our seas.

RFLMAO! I totally forgot about the pollution aspect of Obama. The dude is toxic.
A

And the whole flap was pulled out so conveniently, just when Obama needed it to distract away from Wright….makes you wonder who the conspirator really was….not Hillary as Keith Olbermann the big fat idiot liked to imply.
Mike Howell

Mary Jo Kopechne –

You made me laugh just looking at your name, which I love, and your talking about protecting our seas from bodies. (What a pretty girl who died way too young.) I’m no Teddy Kennedy fan.

There is a line in the John Adams HBO movie wherein Benjamin Franklin says guests and fish start to stink after 3 days. BO has had his three days. Now he just stinks.

It’s time for the BO campaign to admit that it sleeps with the fishes.

A true uniter would quit for the good of the country now that he’s been found out and it shows that he’s utterly unelectable.

But not the Great Divider Obama!

BO – he’ll just continue to stink up the place.

hillarysmygirl

Nancy Pelosi was setting up her defense early…she knew that Hillary was going to end up ahead in the popular vote, so she started trying to spin the idea that the Super Delegates needed to pay attention to how many delegates each candidate got: “It’s all about the delegates.” So what is it, the will of the people or the delegates? The Obama lovers will try to spin whatever is in their favor!

Hope

Nancy Pelosi looks as if she’s forgotten to read the instructions for cleaning her dentures on the back of the Polident box.

Is she secretly regurgitating her cud while she speaks or does she have serious acid reflux?

I just wish I could put a whoopee cushion under her prim and proper butt right before she gives her next press interview.

This woman seriously needs a night out with the girls on the old Barbary Coast.

JoeySky

That is what his campaign and his surrogates are doing. They are trying to push Hillary out of the race.

But No Way Sir!. We are not gonna let that happen. This party belongs to the people not the democrat senior and elite.

He said he will go 50 states. And we agree.! Let everyone vote.
open mind

So what happens if Obama wins. Is everyone on this website going to stay home or vote for McCaIn? I’ll be happy to vote for Clinton or Obama, but not for McCain.

mongo

Given the heat of the rhetoric here, I imagine that an Obama victory in the primary would result in people sitting on their hands, writing Clinton in or voting for McCain.

I would be quite surprised to see the same people commenting here expressing support for him in the presidential election should he win the primary. Obama is largely portrayed here as lacking the ability to tie his shoes in a respectable way.

alexei

No, people here have given him credit for running a perfect Chicago style campaign.
A

If you think I’d vote for a guy who whines “racist” anytime anyone gives him any grief? Forget it. I don’t want him representing Democrats.

Mostest

Exactly. If Obama becomes president, what happens when someone anyone critizes his policies, his directives, his speeches, his pick of White house chef? Will he cry racism?

People are complaining about reliving the 90s if Hill is president. Try reliving 200 years of American race relations, OH Boy!
Hope

He’s a wimp who puts his grandmother up as collateral.

Mr.Murder

Mongo just pawn in game of life. Mongo not very bright.
Hope

No I will never vote for him PERIOD. I don’t think those of us who are so opposed to his candidacy are just going to go and support him like dutiful little Democrats. That is what Nancy Pelosi and her ilk think. But they’ve alienated us now. All the horrible names and accusations that they’ve thrown at the other half of their party – it isn’t going to fly. They are in a dream world.

frankly0

The real problem is not that we on this website are going to vote for McCain if Obama wins, it’s that the large numbers of working class Democrats will do so, as well as Independents and every last Republican.

Despite the fact that Obama’s stated policies are, if anything, to the right of Hillary’s, he now defines the far left wing of the party in terms of his appeal.

He presents all the risks of a left wing radical with relatively little progressive payoff in policy. Really, the worst of two worlds.

mongo

I’m not so certain of the outcome should he win, as I still think that the Democratic Party could field Alfred E. Neumann as their candidate and win handily. The Republicans have lost their way and it’s going to be interesting to see if they can present a strong message in their platform in time for their convention.

As for stated policy, I’m hedging my bets and waiting to see what the prospective cabinets will look like. The Executive Branch of the government consists of thousands of individuals, not just the one. The pre-election statements of a candidate need to be weighed against the people that the candidate will appoint once in office.

bert

“I still think that the Democratic Party could field Alfred E. Neumann as their candidate and win handily.”

At one time. Maybe. But after Rev. Wright. No way.

Rev. Wright’s views and sermons will be used in attack ads this fall. And I guarantee you they will not play well among a majority of ma and pop, red white and blue, Main Street, Joe Six pack voters in a General Election. Polls show they do not play well now. Weaved into a narrative with ‘lapel pins,’ ‘hand over heart,’ For the first time on my adult life I am proud of my country,’ they will weave a seamless portrait hammered over and over again through print, radio, TV, and the internet that will surely bring down Obama.

If Obama gets the nomination we are in trouble. That is why we all have to work so hard to get Hillary elected.

Hope

Yep he’s a pain in the ass. Fucking jerk.

NYC Voter

Let’s hope not, but I’m having trouble keeping 5 of my family members from voting for McCain if obama’s the nominee, they just don’t trust him. My entire family has always voted democrat, and if they are thinking this it scares me.
barbh

After BO has played the race card at every turn against other members of the Democratic party, no less the Clinton’s, and his continued BS campaigning, at this point in time I cannot see myself voting for BO in a general election. I’m pretty outraged at how he has treated Bill Clinton, I expect this from Republicans, not from another Democrat.

Also his judgment ala Wright and Rezko really sucks. I don’t want to vote for a left leaning (?perhaps) version of GWB and I won’t.

It would take a lot at this point to get me to vote for him. He keeps running the campaign the way he has in the past and for sure I won’t.
chris

I’m going to vote for Nader just like I did in 2000.
Next question?
If Clinton gets the nod, I’ll vote for Clinton.

anna shane

he’s switched, he now has the 48-state strategy. It’s so retro for the out with the old and in with the new candidate. Stay tuned ….
Tim

I think that Obama fails to win a majority of Democrats in open primary elections. I would like to see some figures on this and in future cycles it would be nice not to allow independents to choose our candidate for us.

bert

I don’t mind the Independents so much. It is the gd Republicans that Obama targeted and ran paid TV ads to court and become Dems For a Day. That high delegate count Obama has is the result of so many Republicans voting in a Demcratic primary. That is a perversion of the system and undermines the integrity of the system. Obama gamed the system. Chicago type politics to the Nth degree. That man is shameless.

DNC better change their primary rules before 2012. Or many of us may no longer be Democrats.

barbh

I don’t think it is up to the DNC, it’s up to the state legislators what type of primary they conduct.

http://1950democrat.livejournal.com 1950democrat

If the DNC can strip delegates or give penalties or bonuses of delegates according to the dates of the primaries, then they could give penalties to states that use caucuses and bonuses to states that use primaries. And/or, let mail-in states go first, then primary states, and make caucus states wait till the weather is perfect. (Okay, that gives Hawaii and PR the first turn!)
chris

Yes, thats true in Texas. The rules set here are State rules, and there are some that are codified into State Election law.

Because I voted in the Democratic Primary I cannot sign a petition for a 3rd party candidate. I intend to sue to free myself of this rule some how but I have other issues to focus on first.

annakarenina

If Obama gets the nomination I will vote for Cynthia McKinney.
glennmcgahhee

People, please click the share this and digg it! Hillary’s supporters deserve to hear the unfiltered facts of this election in progress.

Douglas

Unfiltered except they’re numbers put through the tint of a Hillary lens and Larry himself has excluded the caucuses.

As much as i don’t understand the caucus system and agree that it’s got a whole mess of problems your numbers are redundant if you DON’T include them. They’re a part of THIS election. Not an election in 8 years time when the system is reviewed and changed. Not an election in a parallel universe where there is one standard voting system for every state country wide. They’re a part of THIS election. You exclude the caucus numbers and you do exactly what you lot accuse Obama and his army of zombie death robots of doing, disenfranchising voters.

Talk about fairy tales.

Andy

Ok Douglas, what are your numbers including caucuses?
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/22/hillary-and-the-numbers-game/#more-1892 Peter

Caucus votes are largely unavailable. States do not release the votes, they only release the count of the caucus delegates. So in a very real sense they are not a part of THIS election.

http://1950democrat.livejournal.com 1950democrat

It might be possible to work back from the caucus delegate count to some approximation of what a primary might have produced.

In WA and TX both caucuses and primaries were held. In WA, Obama did 16% better in the caucus than in the primary. So the first thing to do is discount his caucus delegates nationwide by 16% and increase Hillary’s by 16%. (The TX difference might be worth looking at too, if they ever finish counting the caucus results.)

For turnout, I’ve seen figures from several states as to how many people turned out for the caucuses vs how many turned out for the last primary, or for some other recent election.

chris

But there are reasons to at least divide the numbers into Caucus votes and Primary votes. And then you have to know that at least in Texas, you cannot add the Caucus votes as ‘people’ because those numbers already are accounted for in the primary votes. In order to caucus in Texas, you first have to vote in the primary. This means 2 votes, which isn’t an accurate way of counting the “popular vote”. If I get a double vote, I don’t become 2 people.

Same would be true for any other state that has both and requires primary voting first. One person, one vote.

frankly0

Beyond everything else, who imagines that Obama would have even the lead he does were it not for the fact that he was able to hide the true significance of his Wright connection until this late in the game?

If the media hadn’t been so busy fetching pillows for him, maybe American voters would have been able to make a far fairer assessment of who it is they were voting for before they pulled the lever.

As it is, it’s possible the Democratic Party is going to offer up a candidate who would very early have been rejected out of hand had we known what vulnerabilities he really harbored.

bert

There may also be a kind of irony that plays out here too.

Obama won his delegates so far with a large share of Rs and Is. Since the Wright revelations much of that R & I support has vanished. Polls after poll continue to show this. And I don’t see the tide turning on this one.

Obama’s adoring little throngs are so proud to say how he is such a uniter he can get Rs and Is in the General too. NOT NOW.

Hoist on his own petard as Shakespeare said.

Mary

Yes. SUSA site says he’s losing the Independents and Reagan Democrats by a landslide to McCain in new state polls. He’s also losing white males and the youth vote who felt betrayed by the Wright videos as who he really is.

Without the youth, the white males, the Indies, or the Reagan Dems, he can’t win squat in November.

sam

larry or anyone else, I was wondering what the theory is on why he has not sunk more in the national polls. he bounced back and that really surprised me. I am convnced he is unelectable against mccain, but it seems like he will get the nomination…

Andy

I would like Larry’s analysis on this issue as well.

Gallup tracking has him rebounding.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105529/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Edges-Ahead-Clinton.aspx
His speech managed to excuse the conscious of his supporters; who are happily back with him.
But his negatives have increased and his numbers as a uniters dropped. Check those numbers here:
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/22/133758/048

Mr.Murder

Gallup weighs Republicans even with Democrats, they’re a third of the major party votes, Democrats are two thirds.

Also, Gallup polls nationally and tends to re-use many of its subjects. He lost sizable overall leads from prior times to a margin of error spike.

If all of America can vote in Pennsylvania next week, then the Gallup poll might matter.

mary

Not really, Sam.

Go to the SUSA website and check out state by state polls. He’s tanking.

He’s tied with McCain in Missouri and Massachusetts, and losing by huge numbers now in Ohio, Florida, and other key states.

We’re not talking numbers for the nomination anymore…..we’re talking numbers for the general election.

McCain beats him in most swing states handily.

It’s a mess.

mary

Went back to Survey USA (SUSA) website to show you guys the electoral vote counts based on state polls (national polls are irrelevant right now):

Electoral votes based on those polls:

John McCain 288
Barak Obama 238
(Tied 12)

Hillary Clinton 294
John McCain 231
(Tied 13)

It’s the STATE polls that matter now, in terms of electoral college votes those states give candidates.

And Clinton is clearly AHEAD of Obama in defeating John McCain in the general.

Superdelegates will look at these numbers when considering who can win on behalf of the party in November.

And SUSA , so far, has been the accurate pollster of them all….they are the only pollsters that predicted New Hampshire correctly. Gallup completely missed it.

MessyMarcy

Wow. This is great. I don’t see how our dear leaders can ignore this.

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Larry,

It’s such a relief to come here and read your(pl) thoughts and info on the Dem race. You all do such a wonderful job of ferreting out facts.

Also, I enjoyed your interview with AC.
Prabhata

If HRC takes the popular vote after Puerto Rico, Obama will find a new methodology by which to claim victory. I hope he does not believe that his color should give him some preferential treatment in the nomination. I’ll take him as his word that race does not matter.
StatBabe

Call me crazy, but this whole numbers thing, whether it’s counting the pledged delegates or the popular vote, seems to go against the rationale for the super delegates in the first place! Perhaps it is because 1972 was my first time to vote in a presidential election that I remember with such clarity the fall of frontrunner Edmund Muskie via the Canuck letter followed by the fall of every single “strong” Democratic candidate at the hands of Nixon’s dirty tricksters. Of course, that was not the ONLY thing that sunk McGovern. Picking a VP running mate (Tom Eagleton) who had been through electroconvulsive therapy didn’t help! Going into the general election, I doubt that there was a Democrat alive who did not know McGovern was toast.

I suppose that I should be worried about the potential alienation of Obama supporters, but it hacks me that the Obama campaign does not seem to mind alienating Clinton supporters. It is also disturbing that so many of the ‘bots are blind to the fact that many of the states Obama won so handily WILL vote Republican in November. Sure, it’s possible that Wyoming actually turns Democrat–just as it’s possible that I could win the lottery if I buy a $1 ticket, but it ain’t likely!

In the end, I will NOT vote for McBush–I simply cannot do that–not after he repeatedly accused Iran’s Shias of training al Qaeda’s Sunnis. Is McBush getting senile? Even “Holy Joe” corrected him, and the crazy man went out there AGAIN to accuse Iran of training al Qaeda! Call me nuts, but that’s a little hard to fathom! Sure, I can see Iran training al Sadr’s Mahdi army, but Sunnis? NEVER! And do not even get me started on McBush’s belief that the “market should sort out” our financial meltdown. Yeah, that’s EXACTLY what Herbert Hoover said after the 1929 stock market crash, too!

http://1950democrat.livejournal.com 1950democrat

I think with the Wright tapes circulating, Obama is at the beginning of a long Eagleton moment.

Standing by their man 1000% may be the best move for keeping options open, but surely as public opinion mounts, Dean et al will develop some survival instinct.

TeakWoodKite

an Eagleton moment.
And I was just being acustom to those Dilbert moments. Darn
StatBabe

I think with the Wright tapes circulating, Obama is at the beginning of a long Eagleton moment.

Indeed! And the Eagleton moment combined with other similar events led to the evolution of the super delegates with the idea being that Democratic insiders would be able to move in and “save” the party from just such a catastrophe.

Obama’s speech may have staunched the bleeding, but if anyone actually believes that those videos will not be played and replayed over the course of the general election campaign, then he/she is smoking something other than tobacco. After all, it was just in 2000 when rumors of McCain’s “black” child (adopted child from Bangladesh) undermined his effort in the South Carolina primary.

My friends that support Obama have all warned that there will be hell to pay if Hillary wins the nomination even if Obama has won more pledged delegates and/or a greater popular vote. I am not so sure that this will be the case if another Wright bombshell is awaiting us. My white friends who support Obama seem to believe that blacks, who certainly form a major Democratic constituency, would stay home rather than vote for Hillary Clinton for president. But one has to wonder if this is a valid concern were Hillary to put Obama on the ticket, which seems reasonably likely–far more likely than Obama selecting Hillary as a running mate.

Mary

This “Blacks will stay home” meme is an Obama campaign manipulation.

Rasmussen’s poll after Wright showed that even 58% of African Americans found the tapes and the hate speech in them to be racially divisive and offensive.

Black don’t really vote in a block.

This is just a meme to push Hillary out early, before Obama loses even more of his previous supporters.

myiq2xu

Team O spins like a high-speed drill.
Dora Ratquila

Trust Obama to continue to invoke the most inane but cleverly phrased rationalization for his now ill-fated quest for the presidency! His stubborn projection of invincibility in the face of looming overwhelming rejection – while admirable for a politician – bodes ill for people of color (and I am one so no Obamobot can remotely accuse me of being racist) who wish to take up a post representing a national or statewide constituency. Far from bridging the racial divide, the characteristic thuggery of his campaign – and its shameless disregard for facts – may very well end up creating a new glass ceiling for generations of minorities who want to enter politics. He is radioactive and needs to be returned to his assemblers in Chicago – for the sake of the party and of the nation! No individual with long-standing links to an American Ayatollah is fit to become president (who should have the moral ascendancy to represent the best American values to the world)!
StatBabe

There is a nice article on Larry Sabato’s Crystal Ball website at: <a
src=”http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/article.php?id=LJS2008032001″

This is pretty much the way I view the current race as well. All those Southern states that the ‘bots “think” that Obama may win are living on another planet–particularly after the Wright dust-up. I do not necessarily have high hopes for Hillary Clinton to fare much better in the South, but being originally from Arkansas with lots of family and friends who still live there, I’d wager everything I own and do not own that in the general, Hillary wins Arkansas handily while Obama will go down in flames. I’d even wager that Hillary does better than her husband since many Arkansans thought a lot more highly of Hillary for her tireless work to improve education and on behalf of children in the state.

http://1950democrat.livejournal.com 1950democrat

I loved a quote that turned up about Hillary’s education project in Arkansas, some conservtive legislator saying “It looks like we done elected the wrong Clinton.”
MessyMarcy

I don’t know that I’d go so far as saying she’s more popular than Bill, but a poll by the University of Central Arkansas (da Bears) confirmed your assessment of Hillary solidly winning, but Obama losing, the state in the GE. It’s interesting that in areas where she is actually known, I mean where people do not have to rely on information from the press to form an opinion of her, she is well-liked (if not actually beloved), and even respected by opponents because of her intellect and work ethic. And it seems like in her campaigning, the more people see of her, the better their opinion of her — with Obama it seems to go in the opposite direction, especially of late.

Fredster

I found this interesting:

CNN says HRC’s lead in PA has doubled.

If she keeps this up the “she needs to quit now” stuff becomes totally bogus. It will mean she can carry the big states.

AF catfish

She needs to quit now – after she clinches the nom, they’ll keep saying this.

Steve

Hillary has some explaining to do about her dangerous fly in and reception in Bosnia in 1996! First Lady, First Daughter (age 16), a singer and a comedian. I am sure it was the middle of the night under strict light and sound discipline. Oh, wait…. check it out

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/how-will-hillarys-bosnia_b_92844.html

PMS

It was a steep descent/steep climb landing, wearing flak vests under their coats, and a warning to be prepared to run.

perhaps you are too young to remember what the Balkans were like then.

Was it a landing at Omaha Beach? No. Was it something you’d probably wet yourself about? Yes.

Steve

Why would you put your 16 year old daughter through such an experience? Oh, I forgot, they didn’t.

PMS

Because Chelsea has more integrity than some? Of course, the only lines Obama has crossed were white ones on a mirror.
barbh

Perhaps she had the maturity to want to experience and go there?

What are you implying that Hillary isn’t a good parent? That’s pretty desperate isn’t it. Her daughter seems to have turned out quite well and I’m sure both her parents are very proud of her.

TeakWoodKite

Pilots just love this kind of approach. Makes ‘em feel all warm and fuzzy. Some LZ

mary

Steve,

I DO hope the McCain campaign calls a press conference and demands a Congressional investigation of the Obama advisor’s company employee who snooped into his passport records, don’t you?

Steve

He did request it, just not as publicly.

Steve

I should say an investigation, maybe not congressional.

mary

Well, but Obama made a big fuss about high-level Congressional committees doing the investigation, when he and his surrogates were claiming it was Clinton’s fault.

Don’t you think McCain should be just as melodramatic as Obama?

You know…..flags behind him , and everything.

Mike Howell

Steve –

The Huffington Post is not where I would go for reliable news, but if I did I would read the whole story. Like the update that has the part from a witness confirming HRC’s story.

Steve

Did you watch the Youtube video? I don’t need anyones opinion on what took place when I can watch it for myself. Thank you.

mary

I feel the same way about Rev. Wright’s videos, Steve.

MessyMarcy

Game, set, match, Mary.
Steve

I’m betting you only watched the same clips that Fox put in front of you. You are as bad as all the Righties out there. If you want to be led around by your nose and only listen to what you want to hear be my guest. Watch them in context and at least gain an understanding where people are coming from. Does not excuse, but at least makes for an educated argument. Shortsighted and reactionary is for Republican sheep, and apparently you. Enjoy watching President Obama’s swearing in next January.

Peace out!

chris

Ah yes, the old…I believe what I see thinking…good call. Pay attention skippy, you’re about to learn a valuable lesson in appearances.

english teacher

thank god the wright revelations didn’t come out before all the southern predominantly black states where obama has built up so much of his numbers advantage./snark

north carolina will be interesting. will obama still carry so much of the “african american church vote”? if not, will that indicate his religious views are actually not considered mainstream african american religious views and that his overwhelming support among african americans may also now be more problematic?

i can’t help but believe that at least some large number of african american churchgoers might be uncomfortable with the overtly political nature of wrights preaching.

mary

Rasmussen poll showed that 58% of AfricanAmerican voters found Wright to be racially divisive and offensive.

North Carolina should, indeed, be interesting.

Mel

anyone try getting at Clintons web page, it doesn’t seem to be working today, did Obama’s campaign send a virus in it to stoop the influx of money going her way?

Andy

Mel:

It is true there is a link that seems dead; but there is another one that works fine

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/?splash=1

Hope someone realizes the one without the last bit in the address is dead…..

Marco

The writer of the latest Hillary Hate piece on Huffpo sounds more like a caricature composite of every die-hard Obama guy I’ve met. It’s hilarious, especially his response to the Wapo Update. A must-read for laughs.
http://1950democrat.livejournal.com 1950democrat

I’ve got some quotes from back when the Obama people were pushing ‘superdelegates should follow the popular vote.’ Now it’s ‘follow the will of the people’ — which is being defined as ‘the number of pledged delegates.’

They’re at http://www.ironmyvote.com/superdelegates-follow.htm

Mary

Indeed.

Tad ironic, isn’t it, that the very same Bill Richardson, who said superdelegates should follow the “will of the people of their state,” now turns on the majority of New Mexico voters who chose Hillary Clinton, and endorses Barak Obama.

I’m beginning to think Obama is more like George W. Bush than we thought: What he SAYS and what he DOES are not one and the same.

TeakWoodKite

I was quite amused to see the retired general calling a former President of the United States a commie racist.
Is this all they got? WOW.

With Obama, arms folded in smug overt approval of the the general. Smacks of the Rev Wright and Obama. Obama should take heed ;karma is reciprocal and a _______

I would think some military folks might take pause at Obama standing by and think “Can he be trusted?”

oops sorry wrong talking points…Imagine being a US Senator and be called “untrust worthy” by a another Us Senator…where have I heard something similar…mmm Oh yea Vice President Cheney telling a Knight of Ni, Senator Leahy to sod off on the senate floor. Go figure. Obama will self destruct while talking to the hand. The tape is starting to smolder.
jwrjr

McPeak proves that President Clinton was right.
Mr.Murder

If only they would not count Michigan and Florida in the national elections!
(/Obamboozled)

Mary

I read on another website that the DNC has fallen way behind in its fundraising for the Denver convention.

Thousands of Democrats are refusing to donate to the DNC anymore because of Florida and Michigan fiascos.

And it’s not just voters in those 2 states, either.

bob h

Since when is 2-3% “commanding”, particularly when we are not even finished?

chris

When you hate the contest, then you hate the game.
Imagine if you will, the SuperBowl, and Patriots are 3 points or 7 points down in the first part of the 3rd quarter and the coach comes out and insists the other team quits. Or he and his team starts pressuring the fans and the referees to call the game.

The contempt that Barack Obama has for the process is clear, the contempt the obamatons have for anyone who isn’t them is even more clear. It is a huge reason why I won’t be voting for him in November.

I’ve said it before, there is only one way he can get my vote in November, to immediately call for the impeachment and incarceration of George Walker Bush, Richard Head Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice, Alberto Gonzales, and Nancy Pelosi. (yes I know Rumsy and Gonzo are ‘retired’ so incarcerate them).

other than that, he can’t possibly get my vote now. I have no loyalty to a party that doesn’t deserve it.

StatBabe

Larry, you have probably already noted this elsewhere, but it’s worth reminding people that Hillary Clinton would be well AHEAD of Obama if the Democrats did as the Republicans do with their primaries/caucuses and played the “winner takes all” game with delegates in each state. According to my count, if the state contests were “winner take all”, Hillary Clinton would currently have 1765 pledged delegates while Barack Obama would only have 1563 pledged delegates.

Now, if one actually applies some sort of weighting strategy to the counting of delegates (e.g., weighting that awards delegates for each state based on the likelihood of that state going Democratic, Republican, or a toss-up), things get even WORSE for Obama since many of his victories have been in states where the results of the Democratic primary/caucus will be the LAST TIME to hear the name of that state in the SAME BREATH with the word “Democrat”. (And I am NOT suggesting we apply this weighting since it would disenfranchise entire states in the primary process, but it is a useful exercise for super delegates who are left wondering what is best for the party.)

BTW, does anyone else “roll their eyes” when these so-called “political analysts” claim that Obama is likely to be seriously competitive in Southern Republican strongholds like Mississippi, if he becomes the Democratic nominee for president? Certainly, Jimmy Carter managed to accomplish that, but he’s the ONLY Democrat since Adlai Stephenson to actually “take the South”. And in the case of Carter, he was a “son of the South”, and Obama is certainly anything BUT that!
Nancy

I would like to see some polls of democrats who have already voted for O in the primary. I’d love to see how extensive the ‘buyer’s remorse’ really is. If Obama becomes the nominee? I honestly don’t know if I could vote for him. There are long months ahead before November. He’d have to actively court me and all the other disaffected Hillary supporters that his campaign has stepped on, humiliated and insulted. Even then, it would be very difficult.
J. Silverheels

Sorry guys – race trumps gender in the modern Democratic party. The fact is, Obama’s supporters think that Wright is right. They will support him no matter what.

They plan to disrupt the convention and pull the walls down if they don’t get their way:

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=917