If the Jackboot Fits . . .

Antisemitism is now “kewl” with the creative class.

Kind of ironic that the leftist anti-Semite’s sugar daddy is George Soros, who is “having a very good crisis” (like he always seems to do, btw), no?

And another thing, if that useful idiot Oliphant had desecrated an Islamic religious symbol in the same manner he just did to the star of David, those Palestinians he so adores would be hunting him down trying to hack off his head with a rusty knife.

I think it’s a damn good cartoon. Do please tell me what is anti-semetic in this? Jesus H. Christ. Killing women and children is disgusting. Doing it while pretending to be the victim is classic BS.
Good for Oliphant.
Actually, I’ve been wondering why so many people go frothing-at-the-mouth insane at the criticism of Israel trying its hand at genocide. Uh, I thoughts we were against genocide. Uh, I thought we all said, never again? Uh…uh…
Many of us were quite critical of our country deciding to kill shit loads of innocent Iranians in the name of– whatever the hell we named it.
I do believe I’ll stand by my right– and applaud others who do the same– for being critical of Israel
killing shitloads of innocent Palestinians.
Israel does not get a kill-Palestinians-for-free card. Once again, good for Oliphant.
And just watch for the shit storm that’ll hit him for doing that cartoon. What an atmosphere we live in for pointing out that justice and fair play are rules we are all supposed to live by. Say it, and you become the target. Amazing.

The far left/Obamabots/bolsheviks will always go over the edge, and antisemitism is never far behind. These kinds of propaganda are only meant to inflame passions and prevent reason.
The best response is to look right where they don’t want you to look, in this case the questions to ask are:

Are the Gazans really the victims here?
What is the role of Hamas in provoking this?
Why does the Hamas charter still include the mandate to kill all the Jews?
Who provides Hamas with their guns and money?
Why are these patron states content to let the Gazans suffer in misery instead of, for example, building beachfront hotels on the miles of pristine beaches and turning Gaza into the Monaco of the eastern Mediterranean?

I just don’t see how this is anti-Semitic. Any criticism of Israel is now considered raaaayyyycist. Pretty unfair if you ask me. If this was a picture of Uncle Sam with a sword, driving out the Cherokee, would someone cry: you anti-WASP-ist? No. They would say the cartoon was an indictment of American policy towards the Native Americans. If one agreed with said accusation, they would say bravo for a fine political cartoon…

So…whether this Oliphant cartoon is “accurate” or “misleading” is another story, if the big story here was that civilians on both sides were caught in the crossfire. Oliphant obviously is spinning this hard in one direction.

But to call it a racist cartoon is just race-baiting. And I for one am tired of such an Axelrodian tactic or Obamist worldview.

I would say that’s one powerful and seriously f—ed up message.

Amen OxyCon.

They would have a Fatwa on his head faster than you could say; “Kurt Westergaard”. It’s nice to know the Jews can allow political discourse through cartoons without resorting to death threats when they don’t like something (like the above cartoon) published in MSM…

I don’t GET the cartoon really.
Is it saying the people over there that are Jewish are all militant (en masse) and think their religion should come before ANYTHING to the point of FORCING others to comply???? Cuz that is what it looks like to me.

I don’t think that’s true. But could be for “some” just like I’m not convinced all shoe/car/building/planes, trains & auto-bombers are hiding behind their woman and children.
But, I’ll agree that some very demented and brainwashed ones would slit their OWN mother’s throats (and probably have) for “the cause” they are committed.

I hope someone is watching them while Bambi flits around the country still stuck in CAMPAIGN MODE. for pete’s sake.

So there are people posting here that don’t see the reason the Star of David shouldn’t look like a vicious shark??? Really?
The cartoon would be under attack if it was a cross dripping with blood, or a depiction of the Muslim faith with bomb jokes…
This does not move discourse forward, so it is not helpful…how about a way to curb religious attacks???
The Star of David has nothing to do with the problem between Israel and Palestine…it is the bombs going both ways, the lack of trust and the day to day terror the people live with on both sides…

Larry,
I don’t often agree with your positions on Israel but your additional comment on this cartoon are spot on. The reality is that there will be no peace until people on both sides are willing to die for peace like Yitzhak Rabin. The citizens of Gaza are being held hostage by Hamas and Israel frequently finds itself in a no win position, sometimes one of it own making.

The terrorist behind the women and child should have said “I will protect you for the Jews! Now stand in front of me and provide cover or I will shoot you and blame them.”

Yes, exactly like religion was the teeth the jack booted thug was using to threaten the woman and child with. I see no artistic or journalistic value in that depiction.

Hey NoTrollZone, Israel is not committing genocide and to say so totally negates any realistic conversation in order to solve the problems there.

Israel is still a democracy and their soldiers and courts actually do more than we often do here as far as exposing soldiers who misbehave, kill wrongly and in Israel at this moment there is great debate about how the war in Gaza was fought. Not exactly jack-boot tactics.

Civilians were killed and you can blame the Israelis and Hamas. The Israelis also dropped leaflets telling civilians to leave areas before they attacked. War is not going to solve this problem. The Israelis will never “win” this militarily. Ever.

The cartoon is out of line, IMO, and as several people commented above–if the cartoon was directed to the Islamic extremists there would be a huge backlash.

Soros is laughing while he rapes America. Does everyone know how he got his money? He’s a very disturbed individual and one of El Fraudo’s owners, literally. Which means he owns us. And he doesn’t like us or want us to succeed. Period. So, swiftly we swirl down the bowl due to these scumbags.

I support Israel wholeheartedly (waiting to get attacked for saying that) and I am sad that the people in charge of America are now, as another poster stated, making it “kewl” for the loony left to be anti-Semites. Very sad.

CRAIG DELLA PENNA, you are absolutly right. Specially after I saw the interview of a Floridian men whose son(student) was shot by paletinians and they made him like a palestinian young men, shot by Israelis. The family from Florida sue the French news paper who was responsible for the article and they won. I’m not jewesh but forgive me if I don’t trust the arabs. They starved their own people playing the victims in the same time they used the millions of donations from around the world to enrich themselves.

Geez, I find that “cartoon” offensive and insulting and I’m not even Jewish. Why has it recently become acceptable to insult and demean all our closest allies? And when can we expect to piss off (on?)Canada and Australia?

If the Jackboot Fits…

Philip Weiss responds:

http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/more-evidence-that-israel-is-undergoing-rapid-paradigm-shift-.html

IDF has long ceased being ‘most moral army in the world’:

The testimonies from the graduates of the Oranim pre-military course were a bolt from the blue – accounts of soldiers butchering a woman and two of her children, shooting and killing an elderly
Palestinian woman, how they felt when they murdered in cold blood, how they destroyed property and how there was not even fighting in this war that was not a war.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072821.html

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Soldier says rabbis pushed “religious war” in Gaza:

Rabbis in the Israeli army told battlefield troops in January’s Gaza offensive they were fighting a “religious war” against gentiles, according to one army commander’s account published on Friday.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LK939777.htm

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Gaza war crime claims gather pace as more troops speak out:

Fresh allegations have come to light that gung-ho leadership inculcated a culture of disregard for Palestinian casualties
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/22/israel-palestinian-territories-war-crimes

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Israel soldier calls order during Gaza assault ‘murder’:

Newspapers publish fuller recollections of what happened during the 22-day offensive, including the killings of an elderly woman and a mother and her two children.
http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/mayfaire/latimes0208.htm

Israel’s War Crimes

Israel blamed its earlier wars on the threat to its security, even that against Lebanon in 1982. However, its assault on Gaza was not justified and there are international calls for an investigation. But is there the political will to make Israel account for its war crimes?

By Richard Falk

March 21, 2009 “Le Monde diplomatique”

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22264.htm

Philip Weiss at Mondoweiss blog writes more:

Ha’aretz is continuing to divulge soldier testimonies from Gaza. You can find the fullest report yet here. The messianic fervor that fueled the Israeli policy of collective punishment is laid bare…just go read it.

There is another report in today’s Ha’aretz that I do want to comment on. Uri Blau’s article “‘No virgins, no terror attacks’” describes the practice of Israeli soldiers getting custom clothing printed with their unit’s insignia along with graphics and text. Below are some examples of shirts that were printed, along with some of the images. These images only appeared on Ha’aretz’s Hebrew-language website:

http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/

Calls for Arms Ban on Israel:

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/102801/amnesty-calls-for-arms-ban-on-israel,-hamas%3B-details-illegal-weapons.html

Israel arrests Hamas negotiators :
Among those arrested are four Hamas members of the Palestinian Legislative Council and a university professor, all of whom belong to the administrative branch of Hamas.
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=479857

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’1000% rise in Jew attacks on Arabs’:

A research by an Arab human rights group shows a ten-fold increase in Jewish attacks on the Arab population in Israel over the last year.
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=89307§ionid=351020202

Well, George Soros is Jewish ironically…

And George Soros and his father made their money off going into the homes of exterminated Jews, in the Holocaust, taking their precious personal items, antiques, art, jewels, etc. and auctioning them off. Great guy. Now, he owns the Dem party and Obama. No wonder we are going south on Israel.

Israel illegally took land from some Palestians and will not return it. The more time goes by, the less likely that this issue will ever get resolved.

Israel will not allow Palestians to live in Israel much less become citizens. Israel makes it extremely difficult and humiliating for Palestians to get to their farms and jobs.

Israeli settlements encroach on more and more Palestinian land and the attitude of the settlers is to drive the Palestinians out. The more time goes by, the less likely that this issue will get resolved.

The Palestinians live in what amounts to a refuge camp and have no army.

If you were in their shoes, what pray tell would you do?

Yup, like Bernie Madoff another Jew who brings shande (shame) upon the Jews.

Complete shame. The other part of it was that Soros and his pals would stand on the corners handing out fliers that supposedly would direct Jews to jobs. Guess where they were directing them. I can’t believe that someone so vile calls himself a “democrat.” Well, actually, I guess seeing what we have seen lately I can.

I find it amazing that the same people who rail against the democratically elected Hamas, are the same ones who conveniently forget that Israel has stolen the very country it sits on from the people Hamas represents. How does any beaten and humilated people make “peace” with an oppressor? Does this fervent but unattainable wish have any historical precedent? It’s so easy to hurl the conversation killing accusation of “Anti semite” on any detractor of the Israeli State, but this will never silence the truth. Israel is a jack booted, cold blooded conqueror and always has been as long as it has been in existance. It has biblical roots of being so. But this does not make it moral nor right.

It’s my understanding that there is no country called Palestine. Historically I think there was and Jews were a part of it. When Israel was created after WWII, non-Jews were given land in what is now Jordan. If those people want to live in Israel, perhaps they should consider adopting the laws of Israel instead of wanting to carve out a separate state. I know that’s a simplification, but compromise is the only way to move forward.
Suicide bombers blowing up markets is not going to get the world’s sympathy or understanding. IMHO

I think if you examine the history of that land, you’ll find that it was taken from the Jews 2000 years ago. They got it back in 1947 when Great Britain helped in the carving out what was considered a fairly undesirable piece of land and giving returning it to the Jews. So to accuse them of stealing what was rightfully theirs to begin with is unfair at least and ignorant of history. Are Jews to be condemned for defending what belongs to them?

I said yesterday, whenver I think of Soros anymore I think of Black Wednesday. That I think Soros has more to do with what is going on then we’re being lead to believe. That he’s getting exactly what he wants with the economy the way it is…

Today I see this:
I’m having a very good crisis,’ says Soros as hedge fund managers make billions off recession.

A hedge fund manager who predicted the global credit crunch has said, “The financial crisis has been ‘stimulating’ and the culmination of his life’s work.”

But other investors failed to take notice of his prediction and his decision to come out of retirement in 2007 to manage the fund made him $US2.9 billion.

And while the financial crisis continued to deepen across the globe, the 78-year-old still managed to make $1.1 billion last year.

‘It is, in a way, the culminating point of my life’s work,’ he told national newspaper The Australian.

Soros is one of 25, top hedge fund managers from across Wall Street who have defied the credit crunch crisis to reap a total of $11.6billion (£7.9bn) last year.

The managers made their profit by trading above the pain in the markets, according to Institutional Investor’s Alpha Magazine. Former maths professor James H. Simons, who has made billions in hedge fund Renaissance Technologies, earned $2.5 billion running computer-driven trading strategies.

And John A. Paulson, who made his fortune by betting against the housing market, came in second earning $2 billion.

For complete story from UK:
http://tinyurl.com/c9r54t

I’m not buying it anymore that he and this small group of people have nothing to do with what is going on in the economy. Where the market is being driven. Isn’t it amazing that he and only 25 other men have made billions while two out of every three hedge funds have had losses.

I will not attack you, there are many American’s that owe their lives to Israel. Just take a look where the majority of our medical research, new equipment has come from. There are many website you can search and read the stories from 1000′s of Muslims about Israel hiding women that were to be stoned to death. Gay Muslims to keep them from being killed. Doing surgery on children and adults that would have died. Families that were hit with bombs that were destined for Israel. I have friends in Israel, I do not believe for one second they want to live the way they have to live. Nor do they want to see people on either side dying. I think I’d behave the exact same way if not worse if someone was trying to murder my family every single day of our lives. If I couldn’t even let my children go out into the sunlight without fear. The Palestine people are not the problem, it’s the terrorist groups from around the middle east that are the problem, they’re the ones putting them right in the middle. Not Israel.

Portia, I couldn’t agree more, and i am Irish. It seems that it is acceptable to denigrate Jews and Sarah Palin but heaven help you if you tell the truth about Radical Islam or an African American no matter how morally bankrupt, corrupt or sociopathic they are. Scary.

Yes, you are right. Soros is a hungarian jewish. I do’t know if this is true, after he and his father excaped from Hungary and Soros for some reason didn’t get the help from the jewish people in England as he aspected to, he turn his back on his people. Again, I don’t know if this is the truth but people back home were saying he was hiding nazis in WWII. Regarding of Israel/Palestine, I hate seeing people suffering. I would prefer people live in peace and prosper. I would never agree with a country who starve their own people to gain sympathy and used it for their own enrichement. Every people has to lowe their own country if the country lowes them. Maybe for some I’m wrong but fidelity is two way street. The Italians have a say” UBI BENE UBI PATRIA.

The profound ignorance of most Americans regarding israel and its lobby is one of the things that depresses me most about the dumbing down of our citizens. Better go and turn on American Idol or some sporting event so I can fit in with all the other dolts.

I am deeply offended!

Who did they take it from? Oh yeah, the Canaanites, who the Israelites slaughtered every chance they got.

Any idea how many missiles and for how many years Hamas launched into Israeli civilian population areas before Israel finally began to put an end to it?

Clearly you don’t care about dead Jews, but the Israel government has a fundamental right to protect their citizens from your Hamas friends.

Israel conducted the campaign properly and only useful idiots media types went along with the Hamas propaganda machine. Subsequently to the campaign, each inflammatory charge by Hamas was proven wrong.

What is true is that Hamas committed gross violations of human rights by using civilians as shields.

Canaan was est. 9,000 years ago:

Canaan, later to be named Palestine by the Romans, was at different times ruled by the Egyptian Pharaohs, the Hebrews, and Assyrians, the Chaldaeans, the Babylonians and Persians, Macedonians (Alexander the Great), the Egyptian Empire of the Ptolemies, and the Seleucids from Syria.

Half the people don’t even really know what Hamas…

You are clueless. Philistia was a nation several centuries before the israelites wandered onto the scene. They had a relatively advanced civilization when the illiterate israelite goat herders, like the youthful David, started moving in on them like mexicans are moving in on the US.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gY8Pc_jG1-W8sbgwFeNXgGNF6AXwD975OLT80

The Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish rights group with more than 400,000 members in the United States, said the cartoon is meant to denigrate and demonize Israel.

“The imagery in this cartoon mimics the venomous anti-Semitic propaganda of the Nazi and Soviet eras,” the center said in a statement. “It is cartoons like this that inspired millions of people to hate in the 1930s and help set the stage for the Nazi genocide.”
Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, issued a statement calling the cartoon “hideously anti-Semitic.”

“It employs Nazi imagery by portraying Israel as a jack-booted, goose-stepping headless apparition,” the statement said. “The implication is of an Israeli policy without a head or a heart.”

Get it now?

The cross and Christian symbols are constantly being desecrated, the Pope is vilified and insulted, cartoons on Muslims are “spot on” for many….with the reasoning that it is art, satire, political critique etc., yet Jewish faith and symbols when used for the same purpose is decried as anti-Semitic.

there does seem to be a double standard. but what else is new in this society.

Anti-semitism on the rise … and the economy is headed to levels eerily reminiscent of the Weimar Republic. We are watching history’s repeating itself …

To all American commenters here who believe that it’s the Jews fault because they took land that (according to ya’ll) didn’t belong to them… let me remind you of this: you are sitting at a keyboard that’s in a house or an apartment… that is on land that was taken by force from the American Indians.
So, how come ya’ll never petitioned congress or your state to either give back all the land or to mandate land rental fees be paid to the first owners of Northern America?
(-chirp chirp-)

Charges of wanton IDF killing crumble.

HT LGF

Didn’t realize that the US government has barricaded the Am. Natives into enclaves that they control the access to and that the US military is periodically sent in to take care of business.

No.. but they were sent to reservations that can only be accessed by USA roads and MOST of them live in Poverty!
Now, how about you not avoided the question I asked earlier:
“So, how come ya’ll never petitioned congress or your state to either give back all the land or to mandate land rental fees be paid to the first owners of Northern America?”

Your derisive comment notwithstanding, go to the Hopi lands out west or the reservations in Nebraska. The Native Americans have been treated far worse than any other minority, solely because they don’t whine like the others and aren’t the squeaky f-ing wheel.

Though I strongly disagree with the point of this cartoon, it is not “out of line”. It may be offensive and anger some but they have a right to their opinion.

def “antisemitic”: adj of a person or thing that jews dislike

“Antisemitism is now “kewl” with the creative class.”

that’s about the size of it. they put as much thought into their anti-semitism as they did their vote for Ozero.

I remember the Green Helmet guy and all the faked photo’s and videos that surfaced and were proved to be false. The ambulance that had the light removed then spray painted around the area, that wasn’t even drivable they claimed had been hit, and a patient killed. It doesn’t surprise me that they found this out. I’ve always believed if Ha-mas were to be weakened, not only Israel and Palestine would prosper, but Lebanon which was taking great strides. It may not always be peaceful there are bound to be setbacks, but I believe they would be able to move forward by leaps and bounds.

Israel illegally took land from some Palestians and will not return it. The more time goes by, the less likely that this issue will ever get resolved.

Are you willing to give back the property on which you’re squatting to the rightful owner, the native Americans?

Lecturing from a position of weakness is foolhardy. One cannot have it both ways.

Besides, there never was a Palestine.

Larry,

Once again you find the shades of grey when everyone else sees black and white.

And I thank you for it.

J

Correction:
Soros became a Christian at age 14 to avoid persecution by the Nazi’s. Early in his 20′s he started to believe that there’s no God, this makes him an Atheist.

More info on Soros’ religious beliefs:
http://www.crosswalk.com/1236027/

Apparently some non-original Americans think the original Americans have it easy or that we really didn’t steal their land, in spite of the fact that those who migrated here had no claim to the land other than by brute force.

Being born in Oklahoma, living with and among the original Americans, and being married to an Abenaki gives one an entirely different perspective on this issue. My family has been on this continent for over 300 years but I still feel a lot of ambivalence about it to this day.

You could use the same analogy for Xtians, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, and any number of religions. Try again.

Carthago delenda est.

word.

The difference is that Christians haven’t been subjected to the same sort of treatment as the Jews have, at least not in the last 2000 years.

In addition, there are a lot of Christians who get in a tizzy when they can’t force their religion down everyone else’s throat and since they can’t, they then claim there’s a war against them. Yeah, right. You’ll know a war when you’ve been held in a concentration camp. Sorry, but there’s just no grounds for comparison here.

They think that way because they are ignorant
of the facts. They never take the time to research history BEFORE they make erroneous statements.

According to whom?

Well, as someone who lives in Europe with a rapidly growing muslim population I’ve become accustomed to witnessing anti-semitism and attacks against jewish people.

Right now political correctness and tolerance are protecting those who could care less about such values. Everyone are fair game but dear God if anyone says anything about muslims..

“anti-Zionism” is the new anti-semitism.

Here are two links I found that are interesting.

The Myth of a Stolen Land Palestine:
http://tinyurl.com/cskxl5

The history of Palestine is a long and often contradictory one, even by “experts” in the field.

And the recent history of Palestine especially is usually one of the most confusing and contradictory ones, leading to the claims by many that Israel “stole” land from the Arabs … .

Joan Peters:
In the course of her work, though, she began to question and later challenge many of the assumptions of the conflict, namely that millions of Arabs who had lived in the Holy Land “from time immemorial” had been displaced by the 1948 war and now sought to return to their homeland. Why, for example, were Arab refugees defined by the United Nations as any persons who had been in Palestine for only two years before Israeli statehood in 1948, when all other refugees were defined as those forced to leave permanent homes?

Peters came to believe that the “facts” regarding the Arab claims were not true, nor was the notion that Jews had been treated peacefully in the Arab world in earlier times and that the Arabs had no quarrel with Jews, only Zionists.

Her book makes a powerful case, based on historical documents and interviews, that Jews never left the Holy Land, even after the Roman conquest in 70 AD; that the few Arabic-speaking people who remained never called themselves Palestinians; that they often violently attacked the Jews; that in the 20th century most of the contested land became Jordan (even though it had been designated as the Jewish national home); that many Arabs followed Jews who were settling areas of pre-Israel Palestine; that as many Jews fled or escaped from Arab lands as did Arabs from pre-1948 Palestine; and that it was Arab leaders who opted to allow these people to languish in refugee camps, using them as human pawns in a struggle to destroy the Jewish state.

Peters castigates the British for winking at Arab immigration to Palestine between the two world wars and unfairly restricting Jewish immigration at a time when such limits were a death warrant for European Jews seeking to escape Hitler.

Most disturbing, Peters said, is that 53 years after Israeli statehood, “all the lies have stuck, and the truth has literally gone down the drain.” More in amazement than anger she noted many liberal Jews continue to maintain a reactionary stance against Israel, and young people grow up unaware that the so-called Zionist aggressors are the very people who dreamed of, strove for and still seek peace in the Mideast.”

Although I think I could have done without reading the comments, which takes away from the article. I don’t know how we expect people in Israel and Palestine to get along, when so many American’s can’t even get along. They have this need to label themselves either Democrats or Republicans first and foremost, instead of American. Anything to vilify the other side. To try and silence their voices. What makes any voice on either side more valuable/superior than the other? Pfft. Here is the link to the complete article.
http://tinyurl.com/dhj4na

Thank you, Diana.

personally, i think both sides incite the other. it’s just one vicious cycle that never ends and in my humble opinion, both sides at times don’t seem to even WANT peace.

Thank you, rw! Your command of world history far exceeds mine, but I think some others want to just rewrite it to suit their arguments.

So….when the Native Americans start bombing LA and NY and wherever you live, that’s understandable, correct? And if you fight back, it’s only because you are a thief trying to keep the land you stole?

Pardon me if I don’t believe for one second that you would be so sanguine about it if that were the case.

I’m not saying Israel has done no wrong, ever. But I am saying that one can’t rewrite history.

you are right about the squeaky wheel; i live in Rapid City, SD, so there are a lot of native americans out here. certainly there are occaissional charges of racism and tension, but for the most part everyone gets along fine.

one should also remember that in WW2 the jews suffered treatment far worse than what palestininas ever did, but are they still whining about it constantly and bombing germany trying to get their land and property back? how many of those with bleeding hearts over “palestine” give a flying flip about the jews getting justice for WW2?

Um hmm.
And you can go back to getting all your info from Wikipedia.

There’s a good reason why ranting and insulting aren’t an acceptable approach to a debate. When you start, all we read is “Blah, blah, blah…” You might be alot more persuasive if you actually had some facts to back up your condescension.

I think the Star of David in the cartoon is used to symbolize Israel (and not simply Jews in general), because it’s the centerpiece of the Israeli flag. As I’m sure you know, there are many non-Jewish citizens of Israel.

Analogous to the 70′s canard of declaring the “Liberator du Jour” to holding Marxist views rather than just calling the SOB a communist.

The aggregate value of the pundits and the chattering class in general has less value than a fart in a whirlwind.

Excellent analogy, nobama–thanks. I have to remember that.

word. they want tolerance for themselves, but they tolerate and respect no one.

In many ways, I think you’re right. Eyes-for-eyes and teeth-for-teeth leave both sides blind and toothless and no better off than they were before. In this case, however, I think the Palestinians should have taken the deal in 2000. They blinked and we are where we are. There is a lot of barbarism on both sides that could have been avoided. But I still blame the Palestinians for not making the deal.

Because, push come to shove, THAT’S where all those 40 acre parcels (each complete with Mule!) will come from on Reparations Day.

And how did your family come to be here, SN in MN?

You cannot become Jewish by accident, except by birth. Even if you convert “out” you are considered Jewish.
You can’t really leave the faith. However, if you convert to another religion you lose the right of return to Israel (a sort of free pass on immigration). In reality, if you convert, marry a non-Jew, and have non-Jewish children, most people will not consider you Jewish, although you may be according to Jewish law.
Leaving Judaism: impossible. if you makes sins, including conversion to other religions, you still remain a Jew, only a bad one (sinner).

Very interesting and inciteful reading, Diana.
Thank you!

Yes, the Jews did suffer much worse than the Palis.
And those who are comparing the Jews to Nazis
are ignorant of recorded history.
The 6,000,000 Jews that were murdered didn’t fire thousands of rockets at the Germans… nor were they suicide bombers that took the lives of innocent civilians…nor did they use their children as human-shields.
They were murdered and almost completed
obliterated from the face of the earth
because they were Jews.

Larry,

I have consistently criticized your opposition to Israel as dishonest and inconsistent, but I think that this post helps shed light on the issue because it demonstrates that you’re not so much dishonest as you are a terribly fuzzy thinker. Commenting on this absurd cartoon, you write, “This will surely inflame the debate over who and what constitutes an ‘anti-semite.’” But this is not the case at all. The definition of, or “what constitutes an,” “anti-Semite” is not subject to negotiation, contra your assertion. Simply put, an anti-Semite is “One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews, as a race, because of their race and religion.” Indeed, anti-Semitism is such a unique form of prejudice that it has its own designation, as opposed to prejudice per se.

This brings us to the cartoon, which may or may not be anti-Semitic, depending on the cartoonist’s motive. For example, if he relied on this blog for his information, then it’s conceivable that he really believes that Israel stomped through Gaza with Jack boots, feeding like sharks on the general population, which would justify his imagery, i.e., he acted from ignorance. However, if understands that virtually all of Gaza serves as the launching pad for unrelenting terrorist attacks against Israel, then we could begin to suspect that anti-Semitism moved him to draw this ridiculous cartoon.

Either way, this cartoon does not change what defines, or constitutes, “anti-Semitism.”

THAT’S where all those 40 acre parcels (each complete with Mule!) will come from on Reparations Day.

Oh, that should be a sight. The Okies trek West in the 30s would seem like a tour by way of comparison.

OMG LOl
duh meant to type insightful

-They were murdered and almost completed
obliterated from the face of the earth
because they were Jews.-

Sounds like my family and they weren’t even Jewish.

I guess you didn’t read between my lines, I don’t think ANY American, of any background, would tolerate today having Nat. Am. died at the hands of the US military in name of expansionism, religion, nation building, whatever. You made the comparative, I didn’t.

And, it is not uncommon for news to appear of different Nat. Am. nations filing lawsuits to reclaim their lands, these claims have, from those I have followed, been settled legally without Euro. Am. retaliation, in fact, they have been sympathetic.

If your family wasn’t Jewish, then they
didn’t suffer the atrocities that the Jews
did.

I think this cartoon is meant to be provocative. And it is. I don’t agree with its point, but the cartoonist has a right to express his own pov. I find it somehow ironic that if this had been anti-Muslim in nature, you would hear people screaming how unjust it was, and no doubt there would be death threats made against Oliphant.

He took the easy route. Blame the Jews. Why not? It’s been going on for centuries. I think we should be seriously concerned about the reportable rise of anti-Semitism here and in Europe. Uncertain times make scapegoating a popular past time. And as we know from history, scapegoating is exceedingly dangerous, regardless of what group is highlighted [I include Muslim hating, too, because that's on the rise as well].

So, Oliphant made his point. And the beat goes on.

That’s the problem, when a group, religious/ethnic/racial etc feels they are above reproach because of their status of victimhood through history, etc. and the collective around them agrees with them, because of guilt, disinterest, whatever.

History is replete with injustices from all sides.

You obviously do not know European history.

please…

“….I don’t think ANY American, of any background, would tolerate today having Nat. Am. died at the hands of the US military in name of expansionism, religion, nation building, whatever….”

Your point is mute because… There Wouldn’t Be A United States Of America without the bloody history that shaped it. You can not implant Today’s Civil Values into the past and think you can change history.
Now, if you can’t comprehend that, then I have a TIME MACHINE I’d like to sell you!

I would NEVER have done this cartoon. It’s misleading. Both sides have their valid complaints, but this one is ugly…

You can not implant Today’s Civil Values into the past and think you can change history.

but that’s exactly what you did with your comparative.

I won’t attack you either, Diana, but your analysis leaves out many important considerations. Some of the goals for Israeli expansion into the West Bank, the Golan Heights, Sina and Gaza were laid out in the 1930s and the proof comes straight from David Ben Gurion and Golda Meir. This was before the state was established. Israel is the ONLY Middle Eastern country with nuclear weapons and in addition have had the most powerful ally in the world. Your last two sentences make me a little sad. When ever we believe too much in the goodness of a particular country, we are too often unable to see when they have become what they despised. This continuing hostility is about Palestine just as it always has been. The terrorist groups were given life because of Palestine. Are you aware that at one time Israel and Iran recognized each others governments? I won’t shut my eyes to the aggression of the US or any other country.

The difference is I’m using recorded history…recorded past information that is concrete as a basis for my comparitives.
I’m not using What If’s…or Could’ve Been
Different, or Would’ve Been Different IF…

Oh, but I do know. I started my library collection of history books when I was
very young. That quest for knowledge occurred when I was informed that
I am a direct descendant of a General of the Roman Empire who’s name is known in history.

You must have a bizzare book this comes from.

But you are using the same set of values for something that happened 200 years ago (a conquest began and finished) to compare it with something that began 60 years ago and continues vibrantly to the present.

One is a conflict history the other is a conflict NOW.

The new anti-Israel is the new anti-Semitism cloaked as always in the coat of ‘It’s the Jew’s fault.’ Hamas has been performing unspeakable atrocities on their own people, including using innocent civilians as decoys, and hardly a word. A few misguided Israeli soldiers (if true) and the world is up in arms and the MSM does a report on the unproven on the evening news. Your reader who wrote, it is “kewl with the creative class” to hate Israel and the Jews gets it. But the reason that this is happening no one wants to discuss. It is POTUS who by the positions he has taken on the Middle East conflict since taking office is saying to the rest of the world: We are no longer siding with Israel, perhaps years too soon. Because what has held anti-Semitism in check worldwide has been that all the presidents of the United States since World War II have stood firmly behind the Jewish State. The underlying anti-Semitism that has never gone away is now resurfacing worldwide with Obama’s, if not intended, subtle permission, even, as we are now learning, in the United States.

Halli Casser-Jayne
http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com

You must be missing books on certain peoples of Europe.

Cool, I think, who is the Roman General. I also have Roman blood.

Elise,

“we are too often unable to see when they have become what they despised.” You speak as if the entire country of Israel is “bad” and the Palestinians are “good”. Your rose color glasses need to be cleaned.

Guess who gave the area the name Palestine?

Yassar Arafat!

Jackarooty – that’s not really true in all branches of Judasim.

“Leaving Judaism: impossible. if you makes sins, including conversion to other religions, you still remain a Jew, only a bad one (sinner).” In the Orthodox and Ultra Orthodox, if you leave Judaism, you are considered dead and Shiva (Prayer and mourning period for the dead) is said for the person. The other branches just consider you to be whatever religion you decide.

So which branch of Judaism are you that you believe this way?

Lisabona “I do’t know if this is true, after he and his father excaped from Hungary and Soros for some reason didn’t get the help from the jewish people in England as he aspected to,”

Soros didn’t expect anything from the Jews since he was a Christian before he left Hungary. He’s an atheist now. He doesn’t believe there’s a God.

Why don’t you bugger off? You racist thug.

SN from MN has weighed in on several threads about Israel and American Jews and pretty much “rewrites” history and offers no facts but inflammatory comments and “blames the Jews” for just about everything you’ll get no rational commentary from him/her.

portia elizabeth — Kissing our enemies and kicking our allies seems to be our new Foreign Policy now. Shame on this administration.

Um, I hate to burst your little bubble (well, actually I don’t) but the strip of land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River/Dead Sea has been known as Palestine for thousands of years. The Roman historian Pliny the Elder referred to the area as Palaestina and the Greek historian Josephus referred to it as Palaistine. The Romans, following the Jewish uprisings in the 1st century established the area as part of the province of Syria-Palaestina and the Jewish Encyclopedia published in the early 20th Century defined the area of Palestine. (In fact, the British Mandate issued by the League of Nations–back in 1920, a couple of years before Arafat was involved in the political scene*–was for “PALESTINE”.)

*Yes, I am being entirely facetious. Yasser Arafat wasn’t born until 1929

rw — Somehow I miss the humor in an antisemitic cartoon. It was these kind of cartoons in the 20′s and 30′s which were the precursor to the Holocaust. This image is tragic when viewed through the prism of history.

You do realize that the Muslims don’t have a “religious symbol”, right? A symbol is evidence of iconography which is prohibited in Islam.
Then again, didn’t a few so-called Christians get worked up over Madonna’s inclusion of burning crosses in her “Like a Prayer” video and Andres Serrano’s use of a crucifix in his photo, “Piss Christ”? I also believe that there was a bit of Christian uproar over Chris Ofili’s painting, “Holy Virgin Mary” because it included elephant dung in the creation of the work.
I just love how so many Islamophobes ignore the fusses made by Christians when THEIR “religious symbols” are “desecrated”. If memory serves, Christ had a word for such people: Hypocrite.

Yes but as you state Orthodox Judaism doesn’t recognize conversion out of the faith and in Israel only Orthodox Judaism is recognized…

according to Jewish law

I am agnostic at best (right now) but I was born a Jew and will die a Jew…

according to Jewish law.

I have a problem with organized religion including mine.

Well put.

Elise, I have to agree with Diana, simply because she is correct. Priorities have changed since the 1930′s. Why do you think Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons yet? Or for that matter any other country in the area but Pakistan? Israel has had our back, these people aren’t interlopers. they are people born on the land, control the land are able to defend the lane and therefore it is theirs, not unlike people in the US. I am a second generation Italian-American and am happy that my ancestors had no part in the ethnic cleansing that the United States was built on. My parents and grandparents came here because they were recruited, and invited for the skills they possessed. Israel has a right to exist and a right to protect themselves. I don’t see all of the innocent Israeli civilians killed in restaurants, buses and shopping centers by Palestinian terrorists in that cartoon. Like all information we received it is framed to ignite passions for one side. We as a people are being herded and it saddens me to see so many people blindly follow like sheep to slaughter. I know people who have passionately defended and continue to defend Obama and they can’t even give me ONE example of a promise he’s kept or something of common good he has accomplished. What has happened to the American spirit?

One wonders if Mr Soros will next make his money by buying up foreclosed homes and property in the US. The question is who will buy them, when and for how much.

He was pilloried by Arab groups back in 2005, actually.

I hate to break it to you but there are “symbols” in the Islamic faith. They just don’t take the shape and form of people. The word is the symbol as is the crescent moon. Look at any Islamic text and see how beautifully written they are as well as the additional flourishes taken in the margins for scenes from nature.

I hate to break it to you but can I ask you something? Who took to the streets in Amsterdam and threatened life and limb and issued a fatwa against a cartoonist and the newspaper that printed said cartoon?

Everyday there are potshots taken at Christian and Jewish symbols and sometimes there is a great deal of truth that is expressed in those actions. As for outrage there is a difference between outrage and calling for someone to be beheaded or in the case of Theo Van Gogh shot, stabbed, and having a note pinned to your dead body for making the film Submission with Ayaan Hirsi Ali (a Somalian woman who was vaginally circumcised, forced into an arranged marriage, and escaped to seek asylum in Holland and eventually became a member of Parliament).

Look at what is going on in England right now; London especially. You have known terrorists like the Jordanian Abu Qatada that should be deported back to Jordan after supporting terrorist acts from their mosques in east London but that would violate their human rights. He only gets the equivalent of $100,000 a year in public assistance to support himself and his wife and 5 children. Here’s the thing he got into England with false documentation and is still sucking from the infidel’s teat all the while calling for England to mould itself into Islam’s image and turn to Shari Law.

Before you go spouting off about calling the folks here at No Quarter Islamaphobes for having the temerity to question Islam, Chrisianity, and yes Judaism you might want to keep the following in mind. Not questioning on the left is just as dumb as not questioning on the right. Only on the left it is wrapped in political correctness.

You can count the number of Israeli dead from “Hamas” rockets, over the last five years on a single hand.

Hamas rockets could have been easily countered by the use of C-RAMS which have been protecting the Green Zone in Baghdad rather well. Unlike teh Green Zone, which is surrounded and needs 360 degree protection, southern Israel doesn’t.

The reasons why the Israeli government won’t deploy the technology are many but include letting “little” Israelis become martyers for the greater cause of Eretz Israel. If these rockets were striking the suburbs of Tel Aviv, trust me, this C-RAM tech would have been deployed once they came right off the assembly line. Politicians like Netanyahu have no problem letting other Israelis (and Palestinians) die to futher their political ambitions… It was also noted here that that deploying this system would undermine their ability to sell there own anti-mortar system abroad. Why buy the Israeli system when their own government uses C-RAM technology from other nations…

Again, in the 1920s a writer whose name I’ve forgotten, wrote that populations need “necessary illusions” to drive them into decisions they would otherwise not make. This rocket fire was necessary so scare Israelis into obedience of the official line.

Not deploying C-RAM in Siederot is also a clear example of how the Israeli government has allowed their own population to suffer so that certain connected Israeli politicians can exploit the situation for their own gain.

C-RAM would be even MORE effective in Israel than it has been in the Green Zone since the GZ is surrounded and it’s been remarkably successful.

So, why didn’t the Israelis depoly this system to protect it’s citizens. Because they willingly sacrifice their own for the “greater good” of slicing and dicing the West Bank and taking it over.

One last note. Since the Likhud party doesn’t recognize Palestine’s “right to exist,” I call for immediate sanctions and international boycott of Israel until the people of Israel elect a proper government. Gaza should not be the #2 open-air prison after Israel.

You are correct. POTUS first phone call on his first day in office was to the President of The Palestinian Authority – not Israel which symbolically should have told the 78% of U.S. Jews who voted for Obama that he fooled them and was placing Israel second from now on.

But this should be no surprise. Obama spent 20 years in the church of Jeremiah Wright – a man who is one of the most outspoken anti-Israel advocates in the Black community. The foreign policy advisors candidate Obama had were the most anti-Israel and even anti-Semitic foreign policy people one could find. Obama’s relationships with pro-Palestian and anti-Israel Muslims is well documented.

The appeasement/surrender policies of Obama in the Middle East are placing Israel in imminent danger and fortunately they will now have the right leader in Netanyahu who will do what is necessary to insure Israel’s security and safety.

Anti-Semitism today is cloaked in anti-Israel/anti-Zionist rhetoric. The late Dr. Martin Luther King said: “Anti-zionism is anti-Semitism.”

Cheers,

Jews are Semites. Palestinians are Semites. Among those who have been there for 2000 years there are no genetic differences. Ergo, if one criticizes one group of Semites for harming another group of Semites, how is one anti-Semitic?

Gaza has a birthrate over 6%. One of the major aquifers serving both groups is filling with salt water as fresh water is drawn out because the demand is vastly greater than its rate of replenishment. The situation on the ground today is as good as it gets. Expect it to continually degrade for a long time in a non-linear fashion.

SM

Israeli Defense decided that at this stage C-RAM was not effective for close civilian populations otherwise it would have been deployed. No matter what political party in Israel is in power they always do what is in the interests for the safety of their citizens.

If you follow Israel politics you would know that Likhud is not the ruling party. In fact it is a coalition of parties that are formed to create a government. Netanhayu is the leader of this coalition and has been on record even recently that he is in favor of a 2 state solution.

But that fact probably does not fit into your anti-Semitic belief system.

“…cartoon should have shown a shifty terrorist hiding behind the woman and child.”–Larry Johnson

Exactly.

Course then, maybe cartoon could have also shown a bigger USA symbol behind Israeli soldier in cartoon. And then maybe Iran and a few others just as big behind gaza symbol.

Oh, and yes, cartoon is antisemitic.

I’m glad that at least some see things clearly. Most of you just don’t get that it is in our interest to support the jew over the muslim (especially the ARAB) bunch any day of the week…muslim, by their Koranic indoctrination, will always be more fickle, untrustworthy, two-faced with the West. And that just does not make for good planning into the future.

Many of you naive people think Arabs or even all muslims are just like us if given the chance….THEY ARE NOT! None of you have likely lived among them (other than perhaps your Persian or Palestinian neighbor) but I have for 7 years (algerians, tunisians, lebanese, morocans, jordinians, egyptians) and I have yet to meet one that I trust explicitly…they are notoriously shifty and truly disdain any western notion of freedom of speech, religion, and equality and rights of women (and this is truly disgusting). Why?…because these concepts threaten their Koran and our success thier pride.

THEY DO NOT WANT TO MOVE INTO THE 21ST CENTURY! SO MANY REALLY ARE PREPARING FOR THE END OF TIMES (an important factor in todays tensions that the stupid media doesn’t even talk about)

I know that many of you are motivated by your “western” (ie. christian sensitivies– eventhough you think you are atheists) to turn the other cheek and give everyone especially the underdog a fair shake…but when I hear you weanie whiners protecting those that would kill you and your liberal culture in a heart beat, I cannot help but think that you must also be spoiled, ignorant(but also used) little sub-urban brats. You need to get your asses over there, especially you sympathizing idiotic females, to fully embrace the meaning of the words subjugation, disrespect and slavery.

Its like watching foolish children play with fire, not knowing that it can burn their house down in a flash….you people make me want to cry in frustration because you just don’t get it….these people (arabs) are the same ones that joined forces with Hitler!!! HELLO! Wakey Wakey…BOOM BOOM…Dead.

THEY ARE AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN OUR ENEMIES…LIKE IT OR NOT.

So many of you just don’t get it…they hate you. The more liberal you are the more they hate you.

You know, I don’t know if you are American, but I find it fascinating that anyone would sit back on their ass in America and say that other people have to be willing to die for peace (or anything).

We won’t even go on a damn general strike against that miniBush B0 or his corporate puppeteers.

Well put!

great point!

Some of the foreclosed homes in Minnesota are being purchased by Muslim groups cashing in on lowered prices; they are then sold to their fellow Muslim brethren, i.e., Somalis.

Those Somali communities are now sending forth
their youths to participate in the oppression of wretched migrants in Darfur. Not all of their parents go along; but, as in the world of Islam generally, protestors are muzzled, dissenters threatened.

So can we perhaps make a logical leap and assume the Gazan refugees treking to America, will be housed in those defaulted buildings? Just guessing….

Think we are missing the bigger picture here.
Appeasement never works. It only gives the
lawless tighter leverage. Moral equivalency
is also a very slippery slope when attempting to judge fault. The cartoon demonstrates the author’s failure of analysis, IMO. Israel is being tried in the court of public opinion, where the critical faculty is rarely engaged.

This is unabshed anti-Semitism and no rhetorical dancing around the issue can disguise the profound hate. Keep in mind that this cartoon is based on a lie, on the unfounded allegations of war crimes and atrocities, a one-way ticket issued by those who who stoop to anti-Jewish mongering at the drop of a hat. We are witnessing the extreme demonizing of Israel which step by step opens the door to the rhetoric and motifs that reflect traditional Antisemitism and can only lead to the very erosion of morality that came about in the Nazi era.

“If the Jackboot fits….” Question or statement? Either way what more do we need to know from this title other then what now passes as “conventional wisdom”, even by those who should know better, is merely an attempt at moral self-satisfaction, as if denunciation of Israel, for at worst aberrant behavior among individuals, is more relevant then the wholesale disregard for programmatic abuses by a terrorist regime. This cartoon is a remarkable because in condemning the false outrages, real outrages are going on ignored.

Modern Arabs are NOT Semites!!!!! Isn’t it amazing that once again “conventional wisdom” is so wrong? The statement that Arabs are Semites is a “relative” truth, meaning that the Arabic language IS Semitic, because its sources are ancient Semitic tongues spoken by both Sabeans and Nabateans. For instance, Ghe’ez and Amharic, languages of the Ethiopians, are Semitic, nevertheless the Ethiopian people are Kushites, not Semites.

So what is the ethnic origin (not language) of modern Arabs? Arabs are primarily Hamitic, with a relevant Semitic contribution. Ancient Nabateans were mainly Kushitic and although their forefather were Ishmaelites, Ishmael and his offspring married within the Kushite inhabitants of Northern Arabia, and were regarded as “Mušuri” (Egyptians) by the Assyrians, who did not recognize Arabs as a Semitic people. The pre-Islamic Arabs also had a Kushitic culture.

LJ, perhaps you had second thoughts?

Israel is the ONLY Middle Eastern country with nuclear weapons

Well, then there’s Pakistan.

As for Sinai and the Golan Heights, although the Israelis over ran the Egyptian army and took the Heights back during the 1967 war, they have given the Sinai back. As for the Golan Heights, I suppose that could happen too if our SOS could manage to get the Syrians to agree not to man the concrete bunkers they built into the hillsides to fire on the Israeli farmers below them. In this case, victors don’t get to keep the spoils of war…even when they defeat armies surrounding them who promised to drive them into the sea. But…I’m certainly not for moving settlers into the Palestinian territory. As a young idealistic left leaning Democrat in the 60′s, I went to Israel shortly after the “Six Day War”. It was easy to transfer all that grief and disappointment over the assassinations to support of Israel. After all, RFK was a friend of Israel and it got him killed by a Palestinian…or at least that was what Sirhan claimed. I remember very well (probably after my spouting some idealistic vision of Israel)my Sabra boyfriend pointing out, “We have our theeves (thieves)” and pointing to a beggar on the street in TelAviv saying that he was a fraud and actually a very wealthy man. His point being that they are just like everyone else with good and bad. They surely have a unique situation to live through and the last decades have become a convoluted mess. As one commentator said “They may have won the Six Day War but they’ve been stuck in the seventh day ever since.”

BTW, isn’t George Soros a Hungarian Jew? Makes me wonder whether that beggar Eli pointed out was named George or Bernie. LOL.

our country deciding to kill shit loads of innocent Iranians

Have I missed something in the news?

Indeed, Ferd. According to the PC Left, I should be paying my CA taxes to Mexico (well maybe I do since they siphon off billions through illegal immigrant “remittances”) and my federal taxes should go to Native Americans. By that thinking, I’d like the right of return and the damned Yankees off my land in the Old South.

Reorganizing the past is ridiculous. I’d be happy if we could just get it right in today’s world. What is, is. Simple as that. Now let’s go forward. The Palestinians are so filled with hate they don’t give any energy to developing their land. What a waste.

What the heck has happened to Minnesota? They are trying to institute Sharia law in financial and real estate markets…not to mention the legal system. Very dangerous. How did all the Muslims land there? Wasn’t it in MN that they (as employees) wanted to forgo July 4th as a holiday and take time off for Muslim holidays instead? I’d like them to return to their country of origin if they don’t like what we have here. Instead they are trying to overtake our system and change us in their image. Won’t happen in our family.

C,

Please let me apologize for harming your argument by providing you with peer reviewed evidence for my position that Jews and Palestinians who have lived in the area for 2000 years are family.

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/12/6769.full

Is it not curious that conventional wisdom is right and you are wrong?

You have already assented to my point about their shared language heritage.

I suppose that these points are meaningless in the face of their enmity. Logic does not dislodge spiral deathgrips.

S

Doesn’t it make you wonder how much Soros made between the time Turbo Tax Timmy made those diametrically opposed comments the other day…one driving the dollar down…then a few hours later, driving it up again?

I agree with your point…but the tens of millions of slaughtered russians and slavs must not be forgotten.

We sure are…and its sickening and disgusting.

Actually you’re wrong…insults have been part of arguing and debating among upper echelons of european society (eg. Voltaire) since before the middle ages…and up until recently with PCness. The difference is that while people insulted one another they still attempted to be logical and applied vasts amounts of rigorous education in culture and language to win the argument.

Didn’t know that eh?

Um…yeah that’s really offensive.

Not sure why Larry thought he needed to bounce this one off us first.

Being PC, polite and overly sensitive is what kills the debate and finding the best solution….since the topic always tends to change whenerver someone gets affronted over a stupid word or whatever.

I guess it all has to do with the level of commitment to the Truth of the matter….regardless of the mistakes made, feelings hurt and emotions rising.

By the way…people tend to insult you when they feel you haven’t heard/considered or addressed their facts, concerns or statements before proceding to hammer away at your own position.

Perhaps some of us remember Oliphant’s racist cartoon depicting Condeleeza Rice as a black parrot with exaggerated negroid lips. Oliphant is not only a virulent anti-semite (the point is unarguable) but he is equally a virulent racist.

Racism and anti-semitism: that is what the Post and the Democratic party are all about these days.

Oh, and of course the Acorn/Democrat brown-shirted streets thugs threatening the AIG workers.

And Newsweek’s call to “silence” Rush Limbaugh.

Governance through murder and threats of murder, just like Adolph and Old Joe.

Once upon a time I was a Kennedy-Johnson Democrat. Still am. But now I vote Republican

“You can count the number of Israeli dead from “Hamas” rockets, over the last five years on a single hand.”

So to you dead Jews are okay and the lack of them must be come sort of disappointment.

Do you know about the thousands of Israeli children in Sderdot who grew up traumatized and as a result psychologically imparied?
No. I wouldn’t expect you to know about that.

“letting “little” Israelis become martyers for the greater cause of Eretz Israel”

Israel invetsigated and researched C-RAM and it did not work in populated areas.

Your comment reflects how radical muslims treat their people – not Israelis.

It also shows that you are just another ignorant Jew hater.

Your apology is not accepted. Apparently when I said “Arabs are primarily Hamitic, with a relevant Semitic contribution” you chose to overlook it entirely in order to rush to your verbal attack of my “enmity”, thus the need to apologize is yours.

and this comment too is racism, and just as intolerable.

If you haven’t read Barry Rubin’s brilliant analysis of this cartoon here is a link: http://globalpolitician.com/25554-israel-antisemitism-cartoon-ny-times

I’m very impressed with your post and I couldn’t agree more. I too am enraged to the point of spitting with the fools who partake in intellectualizing a very primitive yet deadly tendency to marginalize a jew for any problem-du-jour.

Please read “Liberal Fascism” by Jonah Goldberg. You seem to see things clearly and be the type to thrive on well reasoned discussion. No, it is not a tract against liberals. This work has been a utter “life-changer” for me.

The nonsense has to stop…and reality, truth, honor, and logic must begin to take hold again, or we’re doomed. Hope you enjoy.

The thing is “muslim-hating” at least has a rationale to it (bombings etc)…whereas anti-semitism doesn’t. Of course I don’t condone it but my point is the same. We cannot and must not put the cultures on the same plane…to do so is to invite even more of the same (eg Oliphant and more bloodshed).

Muslims have to start erradicting their own radicals and packaging themselves better…we can’t go on making exceptions and excuses for them because in the process we weaken ourselves to the brink of destruction (and that’s what they count on).

Most of you don’t quite understand that Muslims, in particular Arabs, only respect strength, not “negotiating”. The only Westerner these people have ever respected was Napoleon and that’s because he didn’t play…he crushed them…and they knew they had no option but to submit. Mean? Racist? absolutely not: just pure fact. Unless you live among these tribal-like people, and keep applying your “christian-sensitivities” to them (that means even you atheists since because that’s ultimately the source of your euro-guilt of success), you will never understand or solve the current situation. There is only one solution!

C,

The confusion rests in your conflation of Arabs in general with the Palestinians I identified. A closer reading of the link posted above is in order.

The paper is:

Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

“A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora. Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. [Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different.] The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.”

As one can see from the section in brackets, the Jewish, Palestinian, and Syrian populations that lived together were genetically similar, which makes them unlike the Hamitic Arabs you identify.

Also, my comments about the power of their enmity were intended to relate that our academic squabble would have little influence on people who have meaningful reasons to feel hostile towards one another.

S

There are studies that show geography trumps languguage, see: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119387746/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

as well studies that show greater distance to non-Jewish Semites when looking at the maternal, as opposed to paternal genetic contribution see: http://www.springerlink.com/content/jq6l8605873834j5/

As you are aware Jewishness is passed through the maternal line, thus the study you site may not be the best evidence.

Is that all your little braindead and brainwashed little mind allows you to come up with?: “You’re racist”

AS I stated previously: I am not a racist. I am just stating FACTS about the Mulsim Arab culture based on first hand knowledge…you fool.

Perhaps I’m a culturalist but I don’t hate or want to hurt anyone, especially not based on race. I’m no threat to anyone who is as civil and follows our law…ie and doesn’t dream of destroying me/mine. But when whole arab cities have parties in the streets cheering at the demise of 3000 Westerners in an explosion also devised by more arabs….then I know its time to be frank about this rotten backward and filthy culture. It simply is what it is….go take a look for yourself. See if you come back alive wearing a miniskirt and with you boobs hanging out. See if you come back from “protesting” in their streets. See if you come back with a clitoris or your head when you decide to have casusal sex with someone or take a toke off a joint.

WOW, you people are toast…you so don’t get! These people dream of destroying any trace of LIBERALISM and Atheism especially (that means YOU) They’re using your sympathies NOW to gain political favor and raise capital but the day they gain enough strength you and your type will be the first to be destroyed. Keep going as you do and it will happen sooner than later!

You’re right…palistinians are probably more semitic than they are true arabs…but culturally, religiously they’re the same.

OH and why doesn’t anyone ever bring up the fact that Palistinians have been brutalized and exiled/shunned by all surrounding ARABIC countries for a century or more (probably for the semitic heritage)? Isreal is far from being they’re only problem.

Could it be that Palestinians just are a pain in the ass people…the “hyenas” of the mideast as the bible states or is it that the ARABS, for all their talk of brotherhood are fickle hypocrits, in general….or both.

C,

Good points.

S

Some useful information on the Oliphant cartoon can be found here:

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/screams-of-anti-semitism-throughout-the-blogesphere/

over the last 4000 years the murdering zionist jew has murderd many more millions of men women and children than hitler”s SS ever did.the only problem is the cannanite holocaust wasnt move taped like the jew one was.