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		<title>By: Baba Rum Raisin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1169021</link>
		<dc:creator>Baba Rum Raisin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UN-happiness is living in an area which uses the Bell 206 for air rescue work and practices near your home. Thwock-thwock-thwock-thwock...

Although, I haven&#039;t Been Right since the AF retired the last of the F4G model &quot;Wild Weasels&quot; from Nellis and Red Flag exercises. A flight of Phantoms plugging in Burner is a joy to hear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UN-happiness is living in an area which uses the Bell 206 for air rescue work and practices near your home. Thwock-thwock-thwock-thwock&#8230;</p>
<p>Although, I haven&#8217;t Been Right since the AF retired the last of the F4G model &#8220;Wild Weasels&#8221; from Nellis and Red Flag exercises. A flight of Phantoms plugging in Burner is a joy to hear!</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168930</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, am not all right with that. Benjamin  Franklin has been quoted often here.  But some obviously fail to hear the message:

&quot;Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.&quot;

It&#039;s not party-partial.  George Bush and Dick Cheney expanded these &quot;powers&quot; presumably for national security reasons.  Now Obama and his minions have the same power.  It was wrong, wrong, wrong when the Republicans initiated it.  And it&#039;s just as wrong now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, am not all right with that. Benjamin  Franklin has been quoted often here.  But some obviously fail to hear the message:</p>
<p>&#8220;Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not party-partial.  George Bush and Dick Cheney expanded these &#8220;powers&#8221; presumably for national security reasons.  Now Obama and his minions have the same power.  It was wrong, wrong, wrong when the Republicans initiated it.  And it&#8217;s just as wrong now.</p>
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		<title>By: beachnan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168927</link>
		<dc:creator>beachnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you been reading the comments? It seems that there has been many comments made both pro and con about torture, and a fair amount of blame for both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you been reading the comments? It seems that there has been many comments made both pro and con about torture, and a fair amount of blame for both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: beachnan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168911</link>
		<dc:creator>beachnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well stated Texas. I agree wholeheartedly.  It is a slippery slope once we start giving the office of the President additional powers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well stated Texas. I agree wholeheartedly.  It is a slippery slope once we start giving the office of the President additional powers.</p>
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		<title>By: termo</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168759</link>
		<dc:creator>termo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ziggy:

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;So, you don’t object to dictatorial powers? You only object to who might become the self-appointed dictator?&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

First try learning what the difference is between a dictator and a commander-in-chief acting within the framework of the Constitution.

And if he was not acting within that framework, why wasn&#039;t he brought up on impeachment charges - afterall democrats have controlled both houses during his last two years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ziggy:</p>
<p><em><strong>&#8220;So, you don’t object to dictatorial powers? You only object to who might become the self-appointed dictator?&#8221;</strong></em></p>
<p>First try learning what the difference is between a dictator and a commander-in-chief acting within the framework of the Constitution.</p>
<p>And if he was not acting within that framework, why wasn&#8217;t he brought up on impeachment charges &#8211; afterall democrats have controlled both houses during his last two years.</p>
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		<title>By: cynic</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168724</link>
		<dc:creator>cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re gonna give me a flashback with the cadence calls.  I usually only get them these days when I hear a certain sort of helicopter coming in from the distance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re gonna give me a flashback with the cadence calls.  I usually only get them these days when I hear a certain sort of helicopter coming in from the distance.</p>
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		<title>By: Baba Rum Raisin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168719</link>
		<dc:creator>Baba Rum Raisin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;em&gt;Duh!!! All of us are against war.&lt;/em&gt;

So long as I get paid enough, I don&#039;t have a big problem with it, having been a &lt;strong&gt;Conscripted Killer &lt;/strong&gt;for LBJ/Tricky Dick for much less than minimum wage.

Forty years later, I can STILL fire EXPERT with the M-14 and M-60, and field strip an re-assemble both blindfolded. Really, really  fast.

I need help getting up from PRONE position, but I&#039;m hell on wheels when horizontal.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t need no teen-aged queen,
I just want my M-Fourteen!&quot;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; <em>Duh!!! All of us are against war.</em></p>
<p>So long as I get paid enough, I don&#8217;t have a big problem with it, having been a <strong>Conscripted Killer </strong>for LBJ/Tricky Dick for much less than minimum wage.</p>
<p>Forty years later, I can STILL fire EXPERT with the M-14 and M-60, and field strip an re-assemble both blindfolded. Really, really  fast.</p>
<p>I need help getting up from PRONE position, but I&#8217;m hell on wheels when horizontal.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;I don&#8217;t need no teen-aged queen,<br />
I just want my M-Fourteen!&#8221;</em></p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168716</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Termo... a document produced by the CIA.

Aug 27 PDB....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Termo&#8230; a document produced by the CIA.</p>
<p>Aug 27 PDB&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168692</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In essence, you&#039;re calling McCain a leftist. I need go no further to demonstrate the unreasonableness of your comment. And I&#039;m no f-ing liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In essence, you&#8217;re calling McCain a leftist. I need go no further to demonstrate the unreasonableness of your comment. And I&#8217;m no f-ing liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: TexasBuckeye</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168675</link>
		<dc:creator>TexasBuckeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The primary obstacle that keeps us (conservatives and liberals) from uniting in support of our Constitutional rights is the desire to seek revenge against our opponents.

We continue in cycles of revenge meant to undo the policies of each previous administration instead of uniting under a core set of principles. 

Until we can temporarily set aside divisive political issues to focus on restoring the basic role of government and restoring individual liberties, we&#039;re doomed to repeat these damaging cycles.

The far left and the far right who seek to implement their collective will upon everyone else through government legislation are &lt;strong&gt;destroying&lt;/strong&gt; this nation.

The founding fathers never intended majority rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The primary obstacle that keeps us (conservatives and liberals) from uniting in support of our Constitutional rights is the desire to seek revenge against our opponents.</p>
<p>We continue in cycles of revenge meant to undo the policies of each previous administration instead of uniting under a core set of principles. </p>
<p>Until we can temporarily set aside divisive political issues to focus on restoring the basic role of government and restoring individual liberties, we&#8217;re doomed to repeat these damaging cycles.</p>
<p>The far left and the far right who seek to implement their collective will upon everyone else through government legislation are <strong>destroying</strong> this nation.</p>
<p>The founding fathers never intended majority rule.</p>
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		<title>By: WMCB</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168641</link>
		<dc:creator>WMCB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you TexasBuckeye.  Our founding fathers were not stupid. Our constitutional protections are not there to protect you only when &quot;your&quot; guy is in office, they are there to protect us no matter WHO is in office.

I am now having the exact same problem with my Liberal friends regarding this expansion of the powers of the Treasury.

They claim that it&#039;s okay, because bambi will use those powers to save the country.  

I keep telling them that i don&#039;t agree, but that even if I did,  IT DOESN&#039;T MATTER, because they are granting those powers to ANY president in the future, and they should be very very afraid of that. 

Once the People give power away, because they like or trust the guy currently in office, they ned to understand that they have given it away - no matter if your worst nightmare takes office. 

It is really hard to get past the partisan bullshit and make people see that.  We the People need to defend our Constitution for the long term, even if doing so might hurt our particular party in the short term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you TexasBuckeye.  Our founding fathers were not stupid. Our constitutional protections are not there to protect you only when &#8220;your&#8221; guy is in office, they are there to protect us no matter WHO is in office.</p>
<p>I am now having the exact same problem with my Liberal friends regarding this expansion of the powers of the Treasury.</p>
<p>They claim that it&#8217;s okay, because bambi will use those powers to save the country.  </p>
<p>I keep telling them that i don&#8217;t agree, but that even if I did,  IT DOESN&#8217;T MATTER, because they are granting those powers to ANY president in the future, and they should be very very afraid of that. </p>
<p>Once the People give power away, because they like or trust the guy currently in office, they ned to understand that they have given it away &#8211; no matter if your worst nightmare takes office. </p>
<p>It is really hard to get past the partisan bullshit and make people see that.  We the People need to defend our Constitution for the long term, even if doing so might hurt our particular party in the short term.</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168633</link>
		<dc:creator>ziggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not about the rights of &lt;em&gt;terrorists&lt;/em&gt;, friend.  It&#039;s about the Constitution, the exercise of unconstitutional powers by &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; president, and certain standards of behavior that all true Americans have always stood for.  Those things transcend partisan politics.  I reject anyone on &lt;em&gt;either&lt;/em&gt; side of the political divide who thinks otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about the rights of <em>terrorists</em>, friend.  It&#8217;s about the Constitution, the exercise of unconstitutional powers by <em>any</em> president, and certain standards of behavior that all true Americans have always stood for.  Those things transcend partisan politics.  I reject anyone on <em>either</em> side of the political divide who thinks otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168625</link>
		<dc:creator>ziggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you don&#039;t object to dictatorial powers?  You only object to who might become the self-appointed dictator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you don&#8217;t object to dictatorial powers?  You only object to who might become the self-appointed dictator?</p>
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		<title>By: I'mFedUp</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/19375/right-wing-tortured-logic/#comment-1168600</link>
		<dc:creator>I'mFedUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post TexasBuckeye...I hate the liberal agenda, mainly because it is 100% Anti-American.  Period.  But, that&#039;s not the point.  We come to NQ and we debate the past, who did what, why Bush should be incarcerated or shot at dawn for treason, etc.  Blah blah blah.  I get it.  I couldn&#039;t care less about Bill Clinton.  I put up with it, although I didn&#039;t agree on everything.  No big deal.  I supported Hillary and I exposed as much as I could of the Fraud.  Then she went to work for him. Oh well. I&#039;m heartbroken, but I&#039;m alive.

Obama?  Like I have said...he is just off the charts.  It&#039;s not even up for discussion to call him the &quot;President&quot; because he has designated himself something far more powerful than the powers this country bestows on our leaders.  Bush never did this.  You have to remember that he just signed the bills, not wrote them.  Someone was agreeing with him, somewhere.  In the meantime, the hard left brought us Obama.  Now we are going down hill faster than we can even watch.  I blame them.  Period.  It&#039;s one thing to have Kerry, Gore, Clinton, whatever.  But this is the end of America.  The Dems will go down in history as destroying us.  Nice legacy to have.  I hope that if there is one plot of land left to rebuild this country on that there is no such thing as the DNC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post TexasBuckeye&#8230;I hate the liberal agenda, mainly because it is 100% Anti-American.  Period.  But, that&#8217;s not the point.  We come to NQ and we debate the past, who did what, why Bush should be incarcerated or shot at dawn for treason, etc.  Blah blah blah.  I get it.  I couldn&#8217;t care less about Bill Clinton.  I put up with it, although I didn&#8217;t agree on everything.  No big deal.  I supported Hillary and I exposed as much as I could of the Fraud.  Then she went to work for him. Oh well. I&#8217;m heartbroken, but I&#8217;m alive.</p>
<p>Obama?  Like I have said&#8230;he is just off the charts.  It&#8217;s not even up for discussion to call him the &#8220;President&#8221; because he has designated himself something far more powerful than the powers this country bestows on our leaders.  Bush never did this.  You have to remember that he just signed the bills, not wrote them.  Someone was agreeing with him, somewhere.  In the meantime, the hard left brought us Obama.  Now we are going down hill faster than we can even watch.  I blame them.  Period.  It&#8217;s one thing to have Kerry, Gore, Clinton, whatever.  But this is the end of America.  The Dems will go down in history as destroying us.  Nice legacy to have.  I hope that if there is one plot of land left to rebuild this country on that there is no such thing as the DNC.</p>
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		<title>By: xax</title>
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		<dc:creator>xax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know everyone is still on the &quot;I hate Bush and right wingers&quot; train but last time I checked Clinton was willing to engage in torture as well.  Stop laying this at one side&#039;s feet.  It&#039;s plain dishonest.  

The justification of both presidents was if they could stop attacks on many innocent people they would do what&#039;s neccessary.

Feel free to agree or not.  When it comes to torture the fact that people constantly frame it as an argument against conservatives or Republicans or Bush does nothing to address the real issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know everyone is still on the &#8220;I hate Bush and right wingers&#8221; train but last time I checked Clinton was willing to engage in torture as well.  Stop laying this at one side&#8217;s feet.  It&#8217;s plain dishonest.  </p>
<p>The justification of both presidents was if they could stop attacks on many innocent people they would do what&#8217;s neccessary.</p>
<p>Feel free to agree or not.  When it comes to torture the fact that people constantly frame it as an argument against conservatives or Republicans or Bush does nothing to address the real issues.</p>
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