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I hope none of you is Italian …

By SusanUnPC on March 27, 2008 at 8:55 PM in Barack Obama, Hate Speech, Race, Race Card, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.

Newsday newspaper reporter Glenn Thrush writes:

From the Wright-written eulogy for scholar Asa Hilliard in the Dec. 2007 edition of the Trumpet magazine [the publication from Obama's church]: “(Jesus’) enemies had their opinion about Him… The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans.”

After calling Jesus’s crucifixion “a public lynching Italian style” executed in “Apartheid Rome,” he goes on to claim that white supremicists run the U.S. government:

NPR’s Juan Williams weighed in last night on Fox News:

Wright’s essay has been scrubbed from the church’s Web site, but someone smart snapped an image at Gateway Pundit (“Obama’s Pastor Wright: ‘Italians Look Down Their Garlic Noses… Jesus Got Public Lynching Italian Style’”). Click on the image to see it full-size. It is a bit hard to read, but it is PROOF of the existence of the article.

Next up, more news accounts of Wright’s essay:

From CNS News, March 26, 2008:

Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor emeritus of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago where Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has been a member for two decades, slurred Italians in a piece published in the most recent issue of Trumpet Newsmagazine.

“(Jesus’) enemies had their opinion about Him,” Wright wrote in a eulogy of the late scholar Asa Hilliard in the November/December 2007 issue. “The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans.”

Wright continued, “From the circumstances surrounding Jesus’ birth (in a barn in a township that was under the Apartheid Roman government that said his daddy had to be in), up to and including the circumstances surrounding Jesus’ death on a cross, a Roman cross, public lynching Italian style. …

“He refused to be defined by others and Dr. Asa Hilliard also refused to be defined by others. The government runs everything from the White House to the schoolhouse, from the Capitol to the Klan, white supremacy is clearly in charge, but Asa, like Jesus, refused to be defined by an oppressive government because Asa got his identity from an Omnipotent God.” …

Gateway Pundit has more in “Obama’s Pastor Wright: ‘Italians Look Down Their Garlic Noses… Jesus Got Public Lynching Italian Style’.” I like this line:

Obama’s Preacher Rev. Jeremiah Wright shores up the Italian vote:

“Italians Look Down Their Garlic Noses– Gave Jesus Public Lynching Italian Style”

…Amen.

In the latest Trumpet Magazine the Rev. Jeremiah Wright teaches his flock about the history of the crucifixion of Jesus. …

Here is spicy food for thought from columnist Gene Lyons:

Wright peddles DVDs of his inflammatory sermons on the church Web site. Could Obama possibly imagine they’d help build that coalition that King dreamed of ?

Second, what do the Obamas, Harvard Law graduates, tell their two little girls about Wright’s downright delusional contention that the United States government created the AIDS virus to exterminate African Americans ?

Anybody named Clinton or Gore who sat still for something like that would be derided as an inauthentic phony patronizing black folks for political gain—a faker, a con man. Cosseted and protected all his life, Obama’s speech shows that he understands that the Rev. Wrights of this world do as much to keep blacks down as white racism does. All this selfpitying obsessing over the sorrows of history leads nowhere.

So how come he’s been sitting there for 20 years pretending he doesn’t ?

Read all of Lyon’s column, “Wright’s Anger Is Part of the Problem.”

Mike Howell

HOLY SHIT! WAIT – UNHOLY SHIT!!
gypsy howell

Just stop it. Matt Taibbi is right, and you are becoming the quintessential purveyor:

This Wright business is a perfect example of the American electorate at its squeeby worst — panicky, gutless, acting more on reflex than thought, incapable of retaining information for more than a few minutes at a time. It’s also a great example of how the presidential election process has become more about enforcing the attitudes of a cultural orthodoxy than a system for choosing leaders. Through scandal after idiotic scandal, the election process has become a painfully prolonged, deeply irritating exercise in policing conventional wisdom, through a variety of means keeping the public in a state of heightened, dumb animal panic, and ultimately turning the election itself into a Darwinian contest — survival of the Squeebiest.

….

The point is that a country that had any balls at all — that was secure enough in its patriotic self-image to stare vicious criticism right in the face and collectively decide for itself, in a state of sober reflection, what part of it was bullshit and what wasn’t — such a country wouldn’t do what it did in the case of the Wright flap, which is to panic instantly, collectively leap off the ground in terror like a bunch of silly bitches, and chase the criticism away in a torch-bearing mob with its eyes averted without even bothering to talk about what was actually said.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/19729398/generation_squeeb/2

kimmy

Oooow, no, youuuuu just stop it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For example, stop referring us to whiny-assed pretentious, condescending writers (for Rolling Stone, for fucking sake) to tell us how YOU feel and how ball-less and incapable of thinking for ourselves WE are.

Wright is a hateful, angry, toxic ass. Obama glommed onto him and his every word as well and wouldn’t let go for 20 damn years.

Why don’t YOU think for yourself…and go troll your manufactured concern elsewhere.

gypsy howell

My concern is real, not manufactured. This garbage is not good for this country. It wasn’t good when the right wing did it to the Clintons in the 90s, and it isn’t good when you do it now.

You’re creating controversy and division over nothing. Stop it. We have bigger problems to face.

Do you remember John Stewart on Crossfire? “You’re hurting this country.”

John D

We are not hurting this country. Please get real. Obama is.
Salo

Obama can’t separate himself from his Bishop.

This is priceless strategic info for Republicans advisors!

He’s litterally got Wright around his neck as a millstone and Obama will never betray ol’ Jerry Wright.

Some people actually take their theology seriously in the US. (not me of course, my god what we could have done to Romney the Mormon!)
Mary

Sorry, gypsy.

Your CANDIDATE has done this to the Democratic Party.

If he is then nominee, with this crap all over his background, he will bring the entire party down with him.

And all your hysteria and changing the subject WON’T change that.
mimi

We do have bigger problemns to face and that’s why Barack Obama is not the man for the job. And if you were really serious, you’d accept that.

The comments here are right on! Rev Wright is toxic and by association, so is Obama. The AA community is not served by spending Sundays in churches that just reinforce resentments as a way of building up the self-esteem of black people. I live in the community, there are often 3 churches per city block. If this kind of ministering was so good, so effective, why are so many AAs lost. Oh yeah… it’s all the government’s fault.

Sorry, but that just doesn’t fly so much anymore. Why? Then how do you explain the Barack Obama phenomenon? What’s so dishonest about Obama is that he never mentions that he has achieved so much and gotten this far by virtue of his upbringing in a white household. Apparently, the color of his skin didn’t hold him back. He’s running for the highest office in the land. There’s a lesson to be learned in that for black people. And yet, Sunday after Sunday he sat for 20 years listening to petty bully pulpit sermons and not even the congregation had the common sense to ask Obama how did you make it thus far? And even worse, this elected official didn’t even have the decency or the integrity to offer an alternative point of view. He just passively concurred.

Sure, racism still exists, there’s work to be done still and certainly the goverment should lead the way. But AAs can no longer lean so heavily on government accountability without acknowledging ours.

So save your condemnation of this blog. We’re trying to get the most qualified candidate elected here. Because as you so wisely pointed out we, the people of the United States, have bigger problems to face.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

“The AA community is not served by spending Sundays in churches that just reinforce resentments as a way of building up the self-esteem of black people.”

It sure sounds like you really know what’s best for the AA community…

mimi

Considering the fact that I’m AA, and have lived in an urban community all my life, I sure do.

And I didn’t need a minister like Rev Wright to provide me with an ‘authentic AA experience.’

I made my position clear. It’s going to take 2 to tango this go ’round. Government and AA accountability. You gotta problem with that?

When you finish your guilt trip, then we can talk.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

anyone can say they’re AA–it’s the Internet. I live in an “urban community” too!

mimi

I have nothing to prove to you. I am 100% African American. And I can recognize an easy-to manipulate white liberal on a guilt trip. Liberals like you are as much responsible for the sociological chaos in black communities as are white conservatives with your patronizing crap. The fact that you are unwilling to believe that there are AAs who can see passed your bs goes contrary to your stupid world view of our community. Trust me. There are a lot of us who understand the real deal.

And Senator Biracial aint’ the real deal by a long shot!

Kathy

Mimi, I love you. Thank you for your trust in the white people you know. Thank you for hanging in there while we (caucasians) conquer whatever race issues are left. I am white and have waited a long time for an AA to run for president. I was so disappointed when Obama was presented to the American public as a candidate. He was not what I imagined would be our first AA president. He hasn’t paid his dues, he is not experienced enough, the race-baiting issue against the Clintons bothered me, his arrogance, remarks from his wife, etc. His policies are fine because he has copied all of Hillary’s. I have tried to get past these issues and I can’t. I am for Hillary because of her experience and policies and because of the Clintons views on human rights. I think you understand that and I am so greatful.

Time will tell. I hope this election comes out as it should for the sake of the American people. I think we have suffered enough these last 8 years as well as the troops waiting to come home. The loss of life in the wars during my lifetime have been a heartbreaker. There have been too many beautiful young men, both white and black, never to reach their full potential.
Seems like a sin to me.

TeakWoodKite

I understand your concern gypsy howell. For seven years the country has suffered and brought death and destuction upon foriegn lands as well as our own.

You and I will travel a different road perhaps but it is not true that

“You’re creating controversy and division over nothing.”

In the first place I am reacting to the sale and distribution of hate speech, which there are Federal laws against.
Second, I assure you that I understand it when you say “My concern is real, not manufactured.”
if you will stipulate that no one but the Rev. manufactured this “sausage” and Barak and Michelle Obama donated thousands of dollars in support of a pulpit that exposes children, to what in my view is equal to, it’s twisted sister.

As someone who growing up, witnessed race riots between AA’s and Italians, I find the Gospel according to Rev. Wright aborant and evil.
For Twenty years Obama has consorted with this man.

If this was published in Newsday, Senator Obama just lost millions of Italian and Irish votes and handed over the reservations to 1600 to John McCain. Obama can not win this and I say this as if I was an objective Obama supporter.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

Most Italian and Irish-Americans are going to vote for McCain anyway, regardless of which candidate becomes the Democratic nominee.

I’ll say that again:

Most Italian and Irish-Americans are going to vote for McCain anyway, regardless of which candidate becomes the Democratic nominee.

http://thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com/ Mary Jo Kopechne

It sure sounds like you really know the Italian and Irish-American communities…..
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In fact, if Obama gets the nomination, I don’t think ethnicities will be the leading factor in deciding not to vote for him. I think it will be determined by intelligence. love of America, and critical thinking, the later of which Obama’s devotees seem to lost somewhere along the way.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

“It sure sounds like you really know the Italian and Irish-American communities…..”

I’m just tracking the demographics historically, and how they tend to vote. I’m not telling Irish and Italian Americans which church they should attend.

Up against a war hero and national icon who fronts as a moderate, the black guy and the woman don’t stand a chance with these voters. Hillary’s base will crack wide open in a GE against McCain, while Barack’s is centered around blacks and new white voters, young, independent, and moderately affluent, who have affinity for McCain–unlike Clinton’s voters. If anyone has a chance against McCain, it’s Obama.

Anyone who believes that socially conservative, gun-toting, blue-collar Democrats in the Midwest are going to stick with Hillary over McCain are deluding themselves. The only way to beat McCain is to grow the electorate, and the only way to do that is to have Obama as the nominee. No one in the past 20+ years has been so effective as him at doing this very thing.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

I meant “no affinity” for McCain” in the above post, second paragraph. Typing too fast…
mr

get real will, obama is a black candidate. this is america he will not win

http://www.todayslies.com Will

well, hopefully you’re wrong! but at least you’re honest in your opinion…

Gregoryp

What the hell does this mean?

I’m Irish, my whole family are Irish and by God every one of them will vote for Obama in the fall. I’m going to be the only one who will vote for McCain. And just to be clear I am voting for McCain only if Obama is the nominee. McCain is the superior candidate.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

I didn’t say your family wouldn’t be voting for Obama. I said demographically most Irish and Italian-Americans won’t be voting for Obama against McCain, or Hillary against McCain.

Gregoryp

Do you have any proof of what you say or are you just spouting off at the keyboard? Where are you getting your information? I know I am not voting for Obama. He is just about the sorriest candidate I’ve ever seen. In your earlier diatribe you listed why Obama could win but I think you have your numbers wrong. I don’t think that coalition has anywhere near the 60+ million voters they’ll need. And to make matters worse, a large portion of that AA (12-13% of the population) voting contingent are in states where a democratic victory would be shocking. Obama will lose ALL of those southern states. I rather think that the popular vote will be something along the lines of 67 million for McCain and about 45-50 million for Obama. Of course, it might not be that close once the republican propaganda machine gets rolling. The real pity is that they aren’t even going to have to lie or swiftboat this time.
Mary

Ironic, isn’t it, that our Will bashes Mimi for categorizing AA voters, but ASSumes he can categorize Irish and Italian voters.

So goes the inconsistencies of goofy Obamanauts.

Sam Copeland

Will states: “Most Italian and Irish-Americans are going to vote for McCain anyway, regardless of which candidate becomes the Democratic nominee.”

Gosh, I thought Obama had the votes of Irish-Americans Caroline and Teddy Kennedy because he was the JFK (another Irish American) of his generation. You mean to tell me that Teddy Kennedy will not be able to deliver his base of Irish American supporters (at least in MA) for Obama? If so, it sure changes the way I view Senator Kennedy’s endorsement of Obama. It means nothing.

Hope

Teddy and Caroline Kennedy along with Maria Shriver couldn’t deliver Massachusetts to Obama. They failed.

apishapa

Most Italian and Irish-Americans are going to vote for McCain anyway, regardless of which candidate becomes the Democratic nominee.

Are you insinuating that if “most” Italian and Irish Americans will vote Republican, then expressions of racism against them are acceptable?
Because that is sure what that sounds like.

Is that why misogyny by Barack’s campaign and the media is acceptable? Because women favor Hillary? So, women are fair game?

What about Jews? They seem to be leaning toward Hillary, too. Yep, Wright has posted anti-Semite literature in his Church bulletin, or so I read here yesterday.

Then in November, all of us who have been insulted and cast aside as less important and really kind of despised by Barack than his are expected to fall in line and vote for this jerk.

Well, fat chance of that. As a woman, I will never vote for someone who goes out of is way to form associations with those who seem bent on degrading everyone in the world who look or think different than them.

Spewing that kind of venom will not win friends or votes. People forgive a candidate for some of the mistakes he makes in compaign. They do not forgive denunciation of entire segments of the population.

Just who is acceptable to this Man of Unity? He seems to shave off a differnt group every day.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

“Are you insinuating that if “most” Italian and Irish Americans will vote Republican, then expressions of racism against them are acceptable?
Because that is sure what that sounds like.”

That’s what it sounds like to you, but that’s not what I’m saying. That’s actually a pretty crazy conclusion to leap to off of what I wrote, which is pretty obviously true, historically/demographically. The Mick with the white face, moderate front, heroic background, and quick wit, is a devastatingly unfortunate candidate for either Hillary or Obama to go up against. The only way to beat him is to grow the electorate, as Obama has proven he is quite capable of doing, and Hillary has proven she has no ability at whatsoever.
http://www.todayslies.com Will

“Yep, Wright has posted anti-Semite literature in his Church bulletin, or so I read here yesterday.”

You better prove that. You’re tossing out the easiest, most unsubstantiated slander in the whole Wright affair yet. As I posted on my own website last week:

“One of the memes that has been appearing in many corners of the web the past few days is the accusation that Sen. Barack Obama’s controversial pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is an anti-Semite, and/or that he has made anti-Semitic remarks.

However, despite extension web searching, I have not been able to come across a single statement by the man saying anything against Jewish, or otherwise Semitic, people. I’m not saying these statements aren’t out there—I’m saying that I am coming across a lot of online journalists, columnists, pundits and reader comments calling Wright an “anti-Semite”, without reference to a quote of any kind to back such a serious accusation up. And I can’t locate one either.

The absolutest closest statement I have found is one in his Wikipedia entry, as well as dozens of other places around the web: a claim by Wright that Zionism has an element of “white racism” in it.

An interesting feature of this “quote” is that no one posts the whole sentence. Everyone “quoting” it writes the exact same thing: “Wright said that Zionism has an element of ‘white racism’ in it.” I can’t locate the whole sentence in its entirety anywhere—all anyone offers is the “white racism” part as a quote. So it’s extremely difficult to pinpoint this phrase’s original context, other than that which these other writers have placed it in on their own.

It’s even possible that the “white racism” phrase is just some random blogger’s analysis of Wright’s views on Zionism, repeated ad nauseum by lazy bloggers around the globe, until it morphed into a “quote” of Wright’s. I see this kind of thing happen all the time in online “journalism”. If I’m wrong in my theory, I will certainly post a correction.

That said, if it is his, it’s hardly an anti-Semitic statement of any sort. Those who question Israeli occupation and settlement policy are not anti-Semites, no matter what neoconservative dogma dictates, or American mainstream media, for that matter. For what it’s worth, Wright’s Wikipedia entry also states that “the Anti-Defamation League says it has no evidence of any anti-Semitism by Wright.”

There is no question Jeremiah Wright has made “controversial” statements about America’s racial and military history, though I think almost all of them deserve more discussion that denouncement. But I have not come across any statements by him that are attacking Jewish or other Semitic peoples in any way.”

http://www.todayslies.com Will

that should be “extensive” and “absolute”. Spellcheck f*cked me, what can I say?
Andy

Will stop SPAMMING. You have posted this at least twice already. That you want to believe so or say so 1,000 times does not make it so. The facts make it so.

You have been excusing Wright’s repugnant’s views, hate-speech and bigotry for a few threads now. That says a lot about who you are. It is great not to know you.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

“Will stop SPAMMING. You have posted this at least twice already.”

That is the first time I’ve posted that. Talk to Susan if you’ve got a problem with me. I’m sure you already have.

“You have been excusing Wright’s repugnant’s views, hate-speech and bigotry for a few threads now. That says a lot about who you are. It is great not to know you.”

It is easy to toss out passive accusations of racism over the Internet, Andy. I’d love to see you try that face to face. My guess is you’d be a lot quieter.

John D

“What about Jews? They seem to be leaning toward Hillary, too. Yep, Wright has posted anti-Semite literature in his Church bulletin, or so I read here yesterday.”

Do you mean the open letter in church bulletin labels Israel an ‘apartheid’ regime and claims the Jewish state worked on an ‘ethnic bomb’ that kills ‘blacks and Arabs’?

Yes. I have that bulletin. And I am pretty sure Senator Obama can’t miss that one.

Sammie

Plus he also called Jews a gutter religion. I’m 100% Italian but i have jews in my building and they hadn’t heard about that so i told them. They didn’t say anything but i don’t think they’ll be voting for oblama.

there was a post here a while ago about how black panthers believe in yakub. can someone link to it.

Andy

Will:

Did you do a statistical analysis of this communities to make such a claim. If so, please send me the your research work.

Or… this is your biased conclusion? Because you already defended Wright before; so I wonder
is there a pattern here Will?

http://www.todayslies.com Will

I’m not interested in your baiting, Andy.

kenoshaMarge

Hey pinhead, how the hell do you presume to know what most Italian or Irish-Americans are gonna do?

This Irish-American and most of the Irish-Americans I know, and that’s a bunch, are going to vote Democrat. Some Hillary and some Obama. I would think it would be the same in the Italian community. However, suspect that from the reaction of a friend of mine, who is Italian and livid about the about the “garlic nose” comment, many of them won’t vote for Obama if he’s the candidate.

Oh and yeah, I can say that I am Irish-American, being born a Milligan, but you can suggest that I’m a liar too, just like you did to mimi. Typical of people like you.
Nellie

And you are an expert on the Irish and Italian Americans HOW?

I am of Irish American descent – and if Obama is the Nominee, I will either write in Hillary’s name or vote Nader, as will other of my relatives.

So who died and made you the spokesperson for our ethnic group?

Sammie

Stot saying that! Obama’s not going to be the nominee. You want people to think that because he has his fake delegates. Everyone thinks the Democrats hate Hillary but I”ve got news for you – she’s got more DNC delegates than anyone and more superdelegates too and more votes. Obama just has his phony delegates and his LIES.

Sammie

i meant stop

John

Um, I don’t let John Stewart or Rolling Stone Magazine tell me how to think. If you do, that’s your problem.

And sorry again, but we aren’t falling for it. Wright’s racism is NOT OUR PROBLEM, no matter how many times you Obamabot morons try to tell us that it is. Obama did not show COURAGE when he talked about Wright- he was FORCED to talk about him when the Rev. was (belatedly, reluctantly) outed by the media.

I am NOT going to be GUILTED into voting for this braying jackass. Try a different tack. Operation Projection isn’t working.
Patrick

A bunch of “Hillary or no one” people who have been “gravely concerned” that Obama is unelectable for weeks accusing anyone of “concern trolling” is too funny. You weren’t going to vote for Obama anyway, won’t now, so why bother pretending you’re shocked-shocked! everytime something emerges about Barack Obama’s pastor. And why are we supposed to care about what his pastor thinks again?

I have to wonder what planet you all are living on. On my planet, Catholic candidates are never asked held accountable for the fact that their church systematically covered up pedophilia for YEARS, or that Pope Benedict has called for all Catholics to pray for the conversion of the Jews. On my planet we don’t question Reverend Hagee, who’s politically endorsed John McCain about his anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic beliefs. On my planet we believe in the separation of Church and State, unless the candidate is black. And if anyone complains about the double-standard, we say “Oh you’re so PC – you can’t say ANYTHING without someone calling you a racist”.

You guys should try coming over to my planet – you’d love it here.

tiffany

Matt Taibbi is a phony and a hypocrite. You know damn well if this had been Hillary’s pastor, Matt would have been drooling on his keypad. If Obama raped a nun on the front lawn of the White House, Taibbi, Olbermann and the other phonies would be excusing, praising and defending.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

“Matt Taibbi is a phony and a hypocrite.”

Matt Taibbi is the 3rd best columnist in America, after Frank Rich and Michael Kinsley. Who else this political season has come up with a better phrase to describe the GOP slate than “hairy shitbags”? I mean, that’s just gold!

Andy

You really do have low standards Will. That explains a lot actually. Interesting….

http://www.todayslies.com Will

“You really do have low standards Will. That explains a lot actually. Interesting….”

More personal attacks, unwarranted. Is that all you’ve got, Andy? Making fun of my reading taste? Can’t you toss out something about Rezko, or “Change you can Xerox”, or at least something?

You should read more Matt Taibbi. He’s hardly some dyed-in-the-wool Obama supporter, and he has one of the more interesting perspectives in American politics. He’s far more of a misanthropic libertarian than a traditional liberal.

Mary

Matt Taibi desperately wants to be one of the media “cool kids” so he can act snarky on Bill Mahr’s “We hate Hillary” boy show.

Gimme a break.

MarkL

I have refused to read Taibbi since he penned that moronic essay in 2003 or 2004 about his experiences undercover working in the Clark campaign.
He was really scared by Clark’s beady black eyes.
I see that I haven’t missed anything.
Mike Howell

Matt Taibbi hasn’t been right since he dressed up like a gorilla in order to meet John Kerry and said that Kerry was the most boring jerk in the universe!
Andy

gypsy howell : quoting Matt Taibbi? That Matt? C’On,
That guy is a joke…
NewOrleans

Taibbi told Bill Maher on his HBO Show that he supports Obama. Of course, he wants to disparage the coverage about Wright. ‘The Wright business’ is hurting his candidate of choice.

He’s just another whiny Obamaton.
http://www.oohnuance.blogspot.com madamab

I must say, some liberal folks just don’t get it.

The problem is that you can’t talk your way out of a situation you’ve acted yourself into (quoting the Seven Habits of Highly Effective People here).

A person of any integrity whatsoever would not have sat there and listened to that garbage. A politically savvy person would not have done so either, because he would have known that those sermons – promoted and sold by the church as representative of its views – would be used against him. God Damn America? How does that give rise to any thought? Did you ever hear Martin Luther King Jr. talk that way?

Clearly, Obama has shown that he’s neither a person of integrity nor a person of good judgment. Forgive me if I’m not enthused about voting for him in November.

Moreover, if you’re going to be The Great Uniter, as Barack insists he is, then you have to have a thoughtful, loving place to come from in order to unite people. Instead, Barack chooses as his pastor, mentor and friend a man who idolizes Farrakhan, screams in rage at the country, NOT THE GOVERNMENT, and slings racial epithets at fellow citizens. Not only that, but Obama has done nothing but repeatedly diss and insult me and voters like me during this entire primary season. Why would a uniter do that? Doesn’t he care if lifelong Democrats vote for him, or is he all too thrilled about his youth and Indy/Repub vote? Doesn’t he think that a uniter’s base should include the Democratic Party?!

What Taibbi and other Obama-lurving pundits don’t understand is that Barack Obama was simply not believable when he made that speech. His motivation was to save his own butt from political annihilation, rather than to actually have an honest discussion about race in America. But like many of the potential problems with his candidacy, his way of dealing with Wright was to pretend he didn’t exist. He’ll transcend race, don’tcha know. Must be why he never addressed the issue before it was forced down his throat.

I very much fear that as our nominee, he will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in November. And I’m speaking as a former supporter of a combined ticket here…
rwc

BFD Taibbi is enamored with his own edginess.

BTW he already did a hit piece on Hillary comparing her to Nixon and one promoting Obama.

So you know who he supports.

Taibbi also confuses hate, bigotry, anti-Americanism and anti-semitism with honest political discourse.

Which makes him really look stupid and morally bankrupt like the rest of the progressive community.
Taters

Did Matt Taibbi ever acknowledge that atrocities were committed at Srebenica?
That guy burns candles for and still worships Milosevic. A big old man-crush, if you will.

Patrick Henry

Did You see the 10,000 sq foot mansion the church is building fot him in a gated community on a golf coarse.??

.They showed it on the MSM News today..

I;ll bet he doesn’t get any PIZZA deliverys..

Catriley

Thanks for bringing that up… I was bemused by Wright’s comments that had such contempt for “rich people”, as I thought of Obama and indeed Wright, himself.
mimi

Oh, but I bet he does. I wouldn’t have a slice, however.

Patrick Henry

Oh..Thats Right..Didn’t Rezko get started Opening a Bunch of Pizza Parlors when He decided to Be part of the Enterprise System in Illinois..??

Every Nieghborhood needs some kind of laundy Buisness..Huh Tony..??

Well..I just had an Excellent Egg Omlet..with sauteed Onions..Italian sausage..Johnsonsonville sausage..Some Brussel sprouts steamed to Perfection and some Boiled Golden potatoes..Prepared by a Germasn Cook..The taste in lingering..

My grandson is a graduate of the Scottsdale Culinary School..His wife graduated from a New York Cluinary school..but is majoring in Wines..

I love Scottsdale..

Now..Fire up th Big Screen..time for” Kite Runner..”

TeakWoodKite

No I missed that. Darn…was that one that Rezko had a hand in? Penny bet?
Mary

Don’t you just LOVE these Black preachers and Black politicians who whip the poor into a frenzy blaming “whitey” for their problems, while the preacher and the politician milk the congregations for donations to buy themselves the very things they supposedly abhor as followers of Jesus?

Oprah too…..lotta attention for the school for Black girls in SOuth Africa, but she doesn’t GIVE a rat’s patooty about the poor Black kids in the ghetto schools in her own city of Chicago.

Jeez…..what a**holes they are.

And for Wright, it’s all TAX FREE cuz he “loves Jesus.”

BARF

Hope

Nice. Now substitute the derogatory nouns with other racially, derogatory and inflammatory nouns and adjectives and watch what happens when you put the shoe on the other foot.

And it does matter what Obama’s rabidly, foaming-at-the mouth spiritual mentor/advisor professes. We need to know how this man thinks.
zxcv

A question for Obama supporters – if these types of words and speeches or their equivalent (on the opposite end of the spectrum) had been uttered by Bush’s or McCain’s pastor and close confidant of two decades, what would have been their reaction?

An interesting question (to Obama and Clinton supporters), what would have been the media and pundit reaction? Is Obama’s campaign benefitting from a double standard?

Salo

Obam cannot back away from his Church or pastor or he’ll be seen as a traitor to hisa community.

Here’s Obama’s achilles heel in November.

Mary

And the Democratic Party will be BRANDED by that choice , as gutless and wimpy for being unwilling to condemn this pastor’s words.

I REFUSE to be branded that way.

Patrick

I recall Jerry Falwell saying “we deserved it” four days after 9/11, and Republican candidates, including John McCain, have to pay homage to him and Pat Robertson, who’s said similar things.

And Rev. Hagee – who has made a political endorsement of John McCain, has said far worse. You’ve got the part about a double-standard right, but it’s the wrong one.

http://www.oohnuance.blogspot.com madamab

Gosh, a political endorsement is EXACTLY THE SAME as a close 20-year relationship with a spiritual mentor whose sermon inspired your book title!

Oh wait.

No it’s not.
Mary

Yes, Patrick, and that’s why we’re Democrats.

We’re AGAINST what Jerry Falwell said, and if you had any moral courage at all, you’d be against Rev. Wright for saying the same thing.

Pick a principle, Patrick, and LIVE by it.

OxyCon

Since, according to Obama, his “Church” isn’t controversial. And, since the words of Obama’s Pastor’s (Wright and Meeks) are somehow non-offensive to Americans, and are only helping Obama’s poll ratings go higher, according to the media, I think I’m going to come out with my own clothing line over at CafePress.

How does “Garlic Nosed Italians For Obama” sound?
“Hollywood Jews for Obama“?
“Rich White Men For Obama“?
“Typical Whities For Obama“?
“Hamas For Obama“?
“God Damn America! Vote Obama!”?
“Obama for President of the US of KKK A“?
“Vote Obama! Be Proud Of America For The First Time“?
Whattaya think?
These should help Obama’s poll numbers go up, right?

reality based

In this brave new world where up is down, war is peace, and hate is love, I guess they would each be worth a couple of million votes. Let’s go down the rabbit hole with B H O!
S. Markom

This makes me sick.

To have a person who openly endorses and supports a sick man who spews hate as much as Wright does is deplorable.

Even if Hillary backed out of the race and endorsed Obama I would never consider placing a vote for him and would what it takes to defeat him.

And, by the way, that was a “great” job by Obama making an economic speech and picking up on other people’s ideas including Hillary’s.
http://thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com/ Mary Jo Kopechne

You should add “Jews heart Israel for Obama”
“Women PERIODICALLY for Obama”
“Women with the CLAWS out for Obama”

And maybe
“Bamboozled by Obama”
“Hoodwinked by Obama”
“Okie doked by Obama”

And they said Ronald Reagan was Teflon…

Fred C. Dobbs

If Obama had an experienced Handler like Reagan’s Lynn Nofziger, he’d have the nomination already locked up.

But, alas, he’s violated the Eighth Canon of Project Management (according to me):

Do not undertake vast projects with half-vast ideas.

Patrick

It sounds like what it is – a characature.

The only people that care about this stuff are people who were going to vote for McCain anyway. You all blew your “this time I MEAN IT!!!!” credibility a month ago.

Mary

Well, that, and all the Independents and Reagan Democrats Obama claimed he could bring back to the party.

And the disillusioned youth vote.

And the Italians, Jews, and everybody else Wright has insulted.

Not to mention the women’s vote, representing 55% of the party.

Do the math, hot shot.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

OT: Don’t miss the ACTION UPDATE in the post below about Florida and Michigan. Or click here: Hillary has a petition up now at her campaign site demanding that the voters of Michigan and Florida be heard.

Patrick Henry

Signed..Sealed…Delivered..

Sue..Do You want the masion video that showed today..I have it..i

John D

Talking about ‘Signed, Sealed, Delivered…,’ Senator Obama talked as if he has already won.

BARTIROMO: Why raise taxes at all in an economic slowdown? Isn’t that going to put a further strain on people?

Sen. OBAMA: Well, look, there’s no doubt that anything I do is going to be premised on what the economic situation is when I take office. I’m going to be sworn in in January, we don’t know what the economy’s going to look like at that point. And, you know, the thing you can–you can be assured of is that I’m not going to making these decisions based on ideology. I’m not a dogmatist. I know that some, you know, my opponents to the right would like to paint me as this wooly-eyed, you know, liberal or wild-eyed…

mimi

“Senator Obama talked as if he has already won.”

Maybe the fix is in. I’ve had a bad feeling about this man’s candidacy from the get-go. Now this is a conspiracy theory I could get into.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

Hi Susan (thanks again ,

Political question:

Why didn’t Hillary have that petition up on her website in late 2007, when Michigan and Florida were getting their delegations stripped by the DNC? In other words, why didn’t she defend them before she won their “primaries”?

Mike Howell

Yeah, Susan? Why isn’t Hillary proactively saving the world while Oblamer is going to the House of Hate and lounging in his kickback mansion?!

Thank goodness Will thought of sticking up for Oblamer while Oblamer thinks of vacations and disenfranchising Democrats!

Hillary already won MI and FL!! She’s just asking to win them again!

What a jerk the great divider Oblamer is warping Will’s little mind so!

http://www.todayslies.com Will

No, I was asking about why Hillary suddenly cared about Michigan and Florida only after she won those scrimmages, rather than when it counted in late 2007, when their delegations were about to be stripped, and she was off nodding on the sidelines.

Gregoryp

The question you should be asking yourself is why didn’t Obama come out before those primaries or shortly after and insist that the democratic party seat the delegates. He stupidly took his name of the ballot to pander to Iowa and New Hampshire. If he would have came out and insisted on seating the delegates his popularity would have soared, he’d have gotten many superdelegates on his side, the people of both states would have admired him. Instead, he pulls the negative crap he always pulls. He had a real opportunity to win the nomination and the election but he played the race and sex card and pretty much has shown himself to be a totally narcissistic, arrogant fool. If he’d have actually ran the campaign he claims he is running he would have sewn up the nomination long ago and we’d await the inauguration in January. Instead we are going to have John McCain as president. And it is all on Obama. He has been the most divisive, intellectually stagnant, dishonest human I think I’ve ever seen run for high office. Simon calls him mediocre but that is being kind.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

“He has been the most divisive, intellectually stagnant, dishonest human I think I’ve ever seen run for high office.”

Have you opened a newspaper for the past seven years? You would have seen some pretty stiff competition for that role…

Andy

Done !! Thanks for the tip Susan.

John D

White, Black republican, Jews, Italians…I am eagerly waiting for the next group…

Hope

Well someone in my family formerly for Obama has just changed her mind after hearing the Italian slurs.

Patrick

I’m Italian, and I don’t appreciate Hillary Clinton pushing this hate.

Is Reverend Wright on the ballot? No.

Mary

You do realize, Patrick, that the Rasmussen Wright poll showed that even 58% of the African American vote found Wright’s comments to be racially divisive and deeply offensive, don’t you?

Hillary had NOTHING to do with that, darlin.

Fred C. Dobbs

Left-handed albino Zoroastrians?

Hope

Doctors without Borders! Nuns for Peaceful Puberty and Mothers Mentoring Drunk Drivers.

Fred C. Dobbs

Drunks Against Mad Mothers – (Joe Bob Briggs)

Nellie

Italians, and according to Will, in comments above, the Irish…

Who will Obama unite with his hate tactics next?

Catriley

Wright certainly goes out of his way to trash the “Romans” in many of his sermons. I’ve always wondered if that’s his way of trashing the Catholics, as well. He seems to be obsessed with “Romans”, they’re a repeated target for him.

I’m trippin’ on the Obama apologists who think that Wright’s comments are fine, because he has a righteous anger, or something like that. Or because it’s because he’s speaking HIS truth and the truth of other AAs. But consider this disgusting thought: aren’t white supremists speaking THEIR truth and how they feel the world is for them? Is that okay now? No. It’s never okay, I don’t care who it’s coming from.

Strawberrybitch

Catriley, I was just over at C&L and one of the more virulent Obamatrons slammed Haggee over his anti- Catholic spews…I didn’t have the energy to point out his hypocrisy…or enough vino.
Hope

Yes Romans = Roman Catholic Church in sicko’s mind.

No one spoke ITALIAN back in the time of Jesus. There was no Italian language at that time – PERIOD.

Italian wasn’t even used as a written language until Dante used it in the Divine Comedy. That was CENTURIES after the Romans had long passed away.

Rev Wrong, this man is insane and spews lies. He is no better than a Nazi or KKK. What’s the difference? Next what will we hear? That he supports the deportation of Whites? That he supports the Final Solution for Jews? That he would prefer to starve out the Irish by creating a new potato famine? There are no limits to this kind of sociopathy.

Nellie

Hope,

You’re right on – They spoke Latin and Samarian back then – Samarian being the “business” language for trading.

Further it was the corrupt members of the Sanhedrin who pushed to have Jesus crucified. Is history even taught in Public Schools anymore?

I ask because I am totally appalled by the functional illiteracy of the likes of the Obamatons, and Matt Tibbi’s of this world.

Shouldn’t there be a law against such rank ignorance?

TeakwoodKite

Is history even taught in Public Schools anymore?
Not really.

Shouldn’t there be a law against such rank ignorance?
yes

Patrick Henry

Have You ever seen Jay Leno on the Streets asking people who pass by simple basic qustions about history..Thye Bible..Current Events..Geography..or name Prominate people in Photographs Jay holds up..??

Most look like idiots..I wonder what Tourists from foreign Nartions think when they watch these shows..and American televison..Why doesnt someone ask them and do a Documentary on a MSM Show..??

Most don’t get the answer right..several say they are attending college..and most answers are not only wrong but pathetic..

How many More Pillars of Our Nation can be undermined and Infested by Termites..before it Collapses..???

Look at the International rankings of the United states ..in Education..

Pathetic..Our Best Students are often Asian or have come from Foreign Nastions where real education and Social responsibility still Matter..

I am just disgusted at the deterioation of The United States,…the Waste of Money for what We..The Public..The Taxpayers.. and Our Children are getting in RETURN..

They HEAR this Stuff all Day too..Don’t they Count..Interview them too about the Government and Current Events..

There go’s another Pillar..
Patrick Henry

We Have lost Control of Our Public Schools…Have you ever walked into your
Average Public Middle school and heard the kids..seen the way they dress aqnd behave..

They don’t go to school for an Education anymore…They go to Socialize..

Hope

Nellie
If there had been a law against ignorance,
Bush would have never been in the White House.

MarkL

Obama has decided that the way to weather this storm is to praise everything about Wright except for those 3 or 4 itty-bitty transgressions—the ones Obama never heard or heard about.
Good luck with that.

DCDemocrat

Obama has no experience and he refuses to take responsibility for his behavior. Does that sound like anyone else who has been president recently?

MarkL

Well, obviously. I think Obama is very much a mirror image of Bush, except that he’s more intelligent and not brain-damaged. However, his lack of experience, combined with his arrogance, his plan to trust advisers and use his “judgment”. Ugh.
His “judgment” is the same as Bush’s “gut”.

McCain knows his limits, and could be a decent President (assuming we avoid armageddon), at least compared to Bush. Obama is just a shot in the dark.

Gregoryp

I wouldn’t be placing any bets on Obama in a test of wits against Bush. Obama is certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed. In fact, with the campaign he has run so far I’d have to say that he is one of the stupidest people ever. From the very beginning he has managed to alienate many of his potential voters. The fact that he has gotten this far is a testament to just how powerful money, the media and a stupid electorate can be. He has used race and sex against Hillary at every opportunity. And probably the most egregious sin is that he continually renounces liberalism. His eclectic group of advisers regularly trash both Hillary and her supporters. That just isn’t smart in my books. Hell, anybody can learn to read off of a teleprompter and use good inflection. All you need is a few public speaking courses and maybe an acting class or two. No brains required.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

“In fact, with the campaign he has run so far I’d have to say that he is one of the stupidest people ever.”

That’s an odd statement, considering he bested the best politicians of their generation at their own game, and is now ahead of them in votes, delegates, contests won, the polls, and money. Gosh, with all of that evidence in front of you, it’s almost as if he’s one of the smartest people ever!

Golly gee whiz!

Catriley

Stupidity and connivance are not mutually exclusive. Ever see Raising Arizona?

I’m just sayin’….

yttik

Hey, we’re Italian and we got friends. Back off Rev Wright, LOL.

Seriously, I’m furious. I’m just a latte sipping Italian girl and now I’m responsible for killing Jesus. I’m already reeling from being called “old” and “racist” and a “disloyal dem” and now he’s picking on my garlic nose??! In my spare time I’m allegedly oppressing this guy who’s flying around in his private jet and living in a two million dollar mansion. And thanks to all of Obama’s campaign contributions from the sub-prime lending industry, 2 million doesn’t buy much, but still. Give me a break. He’s off having a lovely vacation in a tropical paradise and I’m home paying bills.

I’m not racist, I’m ready to go join the folks in Obama’s district who went without heat and chanted “Obamanation” because he was too busy partying it up with their landlord to care.

Salo

The Italians did it!

Howvere Obama didn’t say this. He just refuses to condemn the old idiot.

DCDemocrat

Juan Williams says, “This is one of the things that can (italics mine) trip up Obama going forward.” I beg to differ: This is the thing that guarantees a ticket led by Obama will crash and burn. Maybe the excessively junior senator from Illinois might make his aspiration the greatest electoral disaster in American history. LBJ got the District of Columbia its three electoral votes, and Obama can squirrel those away and call it a day.

http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheDatingTip Daryl

Imo there’s no way you can even have him on the ticket. This stuff is explosive and its not going anywhere. All those years of Republicans making up slanders have paid off. This time they don’t have to since it’s been handed to them on a platinum platter. Roll tape!

The way things are going they might not be able to give him a visitor’s pass to the convention hall.

http://thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com/ Mary Jo Kopechne

OT
Did you read how Michelle Obama is once again complimenting America?
http://tinyurl.com/39ub82

I wonder for the Soprano’s would make of Wright’s comment and his #1 apologist, Obama?

http://www.todayslies.com Will

Right, like conservatives never hold Americans’ feet to the fire for failing to reach the social standards we set for ourselves. FOX News has some nerve.

This is silly. Michelle was absolutely right. Americans are comfortable in their own ignorance–as are just about all human beings around the world. That is what education is all about, to move beyond that ignorance, even when it’s difficult. That’s all she was saying, although in a far more eloquent and, yes, demanding way, than many Americans wish to hear.

We should be congratulating her for challenging this complacency, not tearing her apart and congratulating ourselves for once again shutting up our uncomfortably correct internal critics.

Salo

Who’s comfortable in their ignorance?

It would seem parochial Chicago congregations and their deluded preachers are doing a lot of the heavy lifing on that score.

Mary

It appears that WRight and Obama are BAMBOOZLING their own congregation, doesn’t it?

Whining about “whitey,” while they both live in million dollar mansions and the really poor in Chicago Southside go hungry.

What race hustlers these two are!

mimi

You know where Michelle’s preaching about education would be better served? In AA communities all across this nation, where thousands of AA kids have decided that education is a white thing.

It’s not just the schools that are bad. It’s the attitude.

Nah! She nor her biracial husband won’t touch that with a ten foot pole. They’d rather shout ‘halleluhah’ to one of Rev Wright’s toxic sermons and point the finger in every-which way but at the AA community itself.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

“Nah! She nor her biracial husband won’t touch that with a ten foot pole. They’d rather shout ‘halleluhah’ to one of Rev Wright’s toxic sermons and point the finger in every-which way but at the AA community itself.”

News Flash:

http://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/05/03/obama-on-acting-white/

“Sen. Barack Obama is delivering pointed critiques of the African American community as he campaigns for its votes, lamenting that many of his generation are “disenfranchising” themselves because they don’t vote, taking rappers to task for their language, and decrying “anti-intellectualism” in the black community, including black children telling peers who get good grades that they are “acting white.’”

I know this will probably be ignored here, but I thought I’d post it anyway, since it’s such a clear rebuttal to Mimi’s woefully undernourished ideas about the Obamas’ attitudes towards black America.

TeakWoodKite

Feed Me Feed ME

Mimi’s woefully undernourished ideas about the Obamas’ attitudes towards black America.

Will, that was not a intelligent thing to say.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

“Will, that was not a intelligent thing to say.”

That’s it? Did you fall asleep? Someone, revive Teak!

TeakWoodKite

vestri phasmatis est exuro

Patrick Henry

..hic puer est stultissimus omnium..

TeakWoodKite

Hope

Oh My God Teak! I had that foot disease too!

TeakwoodKite

ut Romae…

narro verum ad potentia

Uh? Where am I?! How long have I been sleeping? Oh Crap Who are these strange people?

http://www.oohnuance.blogspot.com madamab

This speech was actually one of the things I didn’t like about Obama early on. He is doing the typical conservative thing of blaming the victim here.

I understand that the AA community needs to take responsibility for itself, but what about institutionalized racism? What about the poor availability of quality education in urban areas? What about the high percentage of AA young men in jail or the military? It’s not his job as President to point the finger of blame – it’s his job to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

My question for him is, what will he do as president to address institutionalized racism in America? Hard to deal with a problem when you don’t even admit it exists.

And don’t get me started on institutionalized sexism. Why is it okay for women to make less money than men for the same job?

La la la, Barack can’t hear you, sisters!

rwc

My girl friend who is AA and who has two daughters in high school has also brought that up.

At least where I live in So California a lot of AA kids see education as a white thing and even go so far as to attack other AA kids who are trying to learn!

My girl friends daughters know first hand to show interest in a subject or raise your hand in class can lead to a fight after class!

Sadly learning is seen as selling out.

I’ve also heard the term “white mans medicine” used as a excuse by some AA’s to avoid going to doctors as well.

This kind of attitude is toxic and spoken out against! not ignored by the MSM and black politicians.

Nellie

Compliment whiney, demanding, I am entitled to your money, and I am simply having such a hard time living on a mere 1/2 million a year, Michelle Obama? – Not on your life!

Jess Wonderin

Let me see, it takes twenty years for the One to realize Wright might not be right? So we can count on that sharp intellect to look into the next “Putin’s eyes” and be our new Decider Guy??? I don’t know it just wrinkles the garlic nose of this typical white person . . . .

Hope

Jess:

Yes he’s very quick on the uptake isn’t he?

John

I’d like to thank everyone for not responding to the idiot trolls. Maybe they’ll realize soon that they are being ignored and just go away.

Every day I hear callers to Washington Journal complain that Wright is being “smeared” by the media for “a few comments he made over a thirty-year career.” Seems like hardly a day goes by now that we don’t get more evidence that Wright’s anti-white rhetoric was by no means isolated to a few sermons– they were his stock and trade.

Not that the Obamabots will care. It’s all OUR problem, remember. WE are the racists. Not Wright. US. Yeah, whatever.

norrismorris

Yes, there is an obvious attempt to “whitewash” Obama and somehow make us elieeve that for 20 years the Reverend only exaggerated a couple of times. Really?

There is no attempt to take responsibility, but to deflect the Wright matter away from Obama and clean up Rev.W. by lying about his true purity and truth.

He is an odious practioner of assault sermonizing on black people who are angry and feel victimized. He just makes sure they STAY angry and feel victimized.

Without the trash hate speech, the accusations about Aids, 9/11, the Jews, Italians, and Israel Trashing, Libya Loving Rev W is out of business. He is as manipulative of his people as one can get. It’s about power and money.

And for Obama it’s also about power and money.

He has never explained his own sermonizing and jingoistic headline byte speeches that explain nothing, have no content, and no details.

He’s a blank to typical white people, or “folks”, as he likes to say in his most condescending manner.

Hope

Weez White Folks just aint chillin and dont gitit.

kenoshaMarge

I’m sorry, I did feed one particularly annoying little troll gnat. I promise not to do it again and will ignore as they so obviously deserve.

You’re right, we use up half our space for talking about important issues trading insults with someone who isn’t worth the time or effort. Thanks for chiding kindly.

http://www.todayslies.com Will

I suppose it would do to point out that Jeremiah Wright, not Barack Obama, said the offending statement about the 2000 year-old Italians who killed Jesus.

eurogirl70

Will:

People are judged all the time by the company that they keep. If someone attended KKK meetings for 10 years and claimed that they never heard any disparaging comments made about minorities, they would rightly not bee believed.

If Hillary Clinton was seen standing near a Fred Phelps “God Hates Fags” rally at the funeral of a dead soldier nodding her head in agreement, would you not argue “guilt by association”?

A man of character hears such libel and would walk out as a matter of principle. However Obama thought going to Trinity for 20 years, and financially supporting the place, gave him “cred”

Well, if you are going to belong to a thing because you think it brings with it certain “privileges”, then be prepared for the responsibility you are saddled with as well. You make not pick your family members, but you damn well pick your religious leader and your friends!

http://www.todayslies.com Will

“People are judged all the time by the company that they keep. If someone attended KKK meetings for 10 years and claimed that they never heard any disparaging comments made about minorities, they would rightly not bee believed.”

There is no comparison, no earthly comparison at all between the Rev. Wright and the KKK. The KKK went on lynching and murder sprees of black Americans in their time. Wright said stupid things on occasion from the pulpit, tinged with occasional bigotry. You cannot compare the two, and it is wrong and dangerous to do so.

“If Hillary Clinton was seen standing near a Fred Phelps “God Hates Fags” rally at the funeral of a dead soldier nodding her head in agreement, would you not argue “guilt by association”?”

You have never once seen Barack Obama “nodding his head in agreement” at Rev. Wright’s sermons. You are taking a discredited piece from Newsmax that was retracted, and repeating it here as fact. There is no video of Obama doing any such thing, no credible witness, no nothing.

“You make not pick your family members, but you damn well pick your religious leader and your friends!”

You also pick your husband. Hillary Clinton’s is an admitted serial adulterer, sexual harasser, perjurer, and accused rapist. If we’re going to be judging people on such an intimate level as Obama and his pastor, why don’t we ask why she didn’t get the hell out of that marriage years ago?

Oh, but that’s too complicated, too personal, that’s not for us to ask, blah, blah, blah…

TeakWoodKite

You are a lost soul looking for his troll.

You think about yourself too much and that gives you a strange fatigue that makes you shut off the world around you and cling to your arguments
jwrjr

We should thank Will for his passionate defense of Senator and President Clinton. By msking discredited and generally stupid statements like these, he thoroughly demonstrates that the Obama camp has no valid criticisms against either of the Clintons.
eurogirl70

Hey Will:

As far as adulterers go, so was the Rev. Dr. Matin Luther King Jr. and so is Jesse Jackson.

Does all the good work of Corretta Scott King, go the wayside because her husband sometimes strayed from their marriage bed? Does all the good works of Dr. King himself get lost or ignored because of his adultery, no? Obama also likes to style himself a cross between MLK, JFK, and RFK. He has made several references to that effect as have Caroline Kennedy-Schlosberg and Teddy Kennedy. Both were also serial adulterers and there wives didn’t leave them.

Jesse Jackson, an Obama supporter was providing Bill Clinton with moral and spiritual guidance at the height of the impeachment hearings. It only came out later that he had fathered an illegitimate daughter and paid the mother, a former Rainbow Coalition employee, $250,000 from group funds.

As for your comment that there is no comparison between the KKK and Rev. Wright, let me tell you that his church has given an award to Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakan. This is the same organization that assassinated Malcom X and was recently tied in with, thru a bakery in San Francisco, the murder of AA journalist Chauncey Bailey.
Centrocitta

…..If we’re going to be judging people on such an intimate level as Obama and his pastor, why don’t we ask why she didn’t get the hell out of that marriage years ago? Oh, but that’s too complicated, too personal, that’s not for us to ask, blah, blah, blah…..

Why don’t you ask the greedy, American divorce lawyers who invented “NO FAULT DIVORCE” this question? Hillary doesn’t have to get out of her marriage to Bill because as long as she’s not allowed to sue the other woman, she doesn’t have a marriage anyway and Bill Clinton has the right to screw whomever he pleases! Could you be an anymore stupid Obama supporter?
Nellie

Will,

Last comment on your insanity –

Wright openly supports HATE groups, such as the Nation of Islam and New Black Panthers, classified by the FBI as such, and on par with the KKK and American Nazi’s.

HATE is HATE and absolutely nothing to do with skin color, except when some dumb HATE group makes it a requirement. That’s called separation and is the complete Antithesis of INCLUSION.

Please do yourself a favor and use an online dictionary, or better yet, go buy a damn dictionary and keep it for bedside reading so you won’t sound so ignorant that it is repellant.

Hope

Wow Will – you know a 2,000 year old Italian? Major longevity!

Fred C. Dobbs

The wonders of Olive Oil and the Mediterranean Diet!

Mary

And yet, Will, Rev. Wright blames all “whitey’s ” for what a few might have said or done.

How come Wright gets to do that, but judging Obama by his closeness to Wright is racist?

You keep tangling yourself up in your own rhetoric, Will.

Rosaleen

I love the t-shirts!
Gloria

I’m 100% Italian and think this guy is hideous!
Joe

Those who support Obama basically agree with the views of Wright and his extremist church. This is a church where Obama would go to for 20 years to feel good in. No amount of rationalization on the part of Obama and his supporters can deny the fact that Obama and Wright are basically joined at the hip.

Andy

Joe:

That is exactly right; excellently and succinctly said !

Andy

PS: That’s why most are twisting themselves in their attempts to defend Wright … It’s really pathetic.

Hope

It is amazing that we have been brought to this level by Obama. Here we are in the year 2008 going over issues that we have already dealt with forty years ago. This is absolutely astounding. We are lambasting, Jews, Italians, Irish, Romans on and on and on. All over Obama’s little self-centered, racist world. This is all about the little boy who had to prove he could overcome his inner demons.

All because he and the hypervigilant Mrs. believe they are ENTITLED. Another entitlement program for the rich.

I will relish his demise in the November election.

VInce

Don’t vote Obama, he supports a RACIST CHURCH!!!

I come from Africa and I feel ashamed of this type of man who lies to get ahead.

As for me I’m voting for a true National Hero Mr. John McCain

To every Jewish, Italian and white person please excuse Wrights comments. He is part of an Evil Church, not part of Africa.

Vince Mustafa

Nellie

Vince,

Thank you for your comment – I think most here know that he is no reflection on Africa or anywhere else, or any group except HATE filled Black Separtists.

Many of us here worked most of our adult lives for INCLUSION of all races and creeds in American society. Much of the anger you are seeing here is because Obama and his associates are HATE SEPARTISTS – which could have a backlash and undo 50 years of the work so many of us stived for all our lives.

Thanks for sharing your views, and please be assured you will not be judged here by your color or country of birth. We welcome and cheer on those who are thoughtful, well informed, and have moved well past the idiocy of skin color. Mimi, Ebony Screws, Taters and others will tell you the same thing.

Centrocitta

“Italians looked down their garlic noses”. First of all, Rev. Wright needs a cooking lesson. Italians and Italian-Americans don’t EAT garlic. They will sautee a couple of whole garlic cloves in olive oil to flavor the oil but the cloves are removed before the other ingredients are added.

However, Americans who love Italian food and think they know how to prepare it, make the BIG mistake of using MINCED garlic in every recipe and then, of course, having to EAT the minced garlic.

So aside from the good reverend needing a lesson in Italian cooking, he should be be more precise about who really has the stinky breath. I can almost guarantee that the Romans didn’t smell like garlic, a good reason being that they knew how to use it and also because garlic grown in the Mediterranean is sweeter and milder tasting than garlic grown in North America.

But something tells me Rev. Wright may have grown up in a Chicago neighborhood, most likely on the fringes of an Italian neighborhood and perhaps his Italian neighbors never appreciated his bad attitude, therefore he’s still harboring a grudge against them.

As for this Italian, now living in Italy, I also grew up in an Italian-American neighborhood with a black neighborhood on the fringe. When my grand-mother sent me to the corner store owned by African-Americans, I always came out with a free candy bar.

Nellie

Actually Wright grew up in the Germantown section of Philadelphia – a fine neighborhood even today, and went to the very best schools.

Perhaps it is the eating of heavy German food that makes him such a disaster in his knowledge of really great Italian cuisine?

Centrocitta

Oh, so that explains it. Sounds like he may have had a problem with the attractive, South Philly kids (Italians) who used to hang around in his neighborhood when they went to the dances at Wagners Ballroom. A little envy maybe.

Sammie

what do you expect? He’s been trying to steal the election just like bush and he’s stealing it again and again and he’s going to steal it at the convension. you watch.
Sammie

Did you check your wallet? lol

kenoshaMarge

Obamapologists are a sad sight in a progressive neighborhood. Things they would condemn vehemently anywhere else are excused when it has anything at all to do with their adored candidate.

Some of us are not so sanguine. We find “hate” speech appalling and unacceptable whenever and wherever it rears it’s ugly head. It is not acceptable coming from Hagee and it’s not acceptable coming from Wright. Hate speech has no place in any church anywhere at any time. 2000 years and we haven’t gotten there yet? Damn we’re slow learners!

Somewhere along the way some of these Obamapologists are going to have to come to grips with the fact that in pursuit of their candidate being nominee for the president of the United States they have lowered their standards to a place that would shame a Republican. Good luck with having other progressives that do have standards support you in that.

Patrick

The Republicans have Hagee, Parsley, and Robertson running around, and I have yet to see them shamed about it.

This is why Clinton supporters saying they’re going to jump ship over to a guy who has decades-long political connections with these guys is hard to take seriously.

Mary

Nonsense, Patrick.

Democrats are Democrats BECAUSE they are appalled by the righwing preachers.

The fact that people like you want the rest of us to EXCUSE the same hate speech connected to one of our own Democratic candidates is appalling.

Democrats don’t DO this hate speech.

From either side.

Frikkin grow up and stop making excuses for your candidate’s poor choices.

He CHOSE that church. And in so doing, he will take the Democratic Party down with him.
Andy

Patrick:

So in the context of the Democratic Primary, what are your views on Obama and Jeremiah Wright?

Are you outraged? Tell us.

kenoshaMarge

I cannot speak for any other Hillary supporter but I personally will not vote for Obama OR McCain. Obama for a great many thing besides the Wright fiasco. McCain because he’s, shudder, a war-mongering Republican that speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

But so far as I know, correct me if I’m wrong, McCain did not sit in Hagee’s congregation for the last 20 years.

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