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	<title>Comments on: Not Done With Howard Dean Yet</title>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171993</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK</description>
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		<title>By: 1950democrat</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171989</link>
		<dc:creator>1950democrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please distinguish:

1. The DNC correcting their own foul-up by immediately finding an alternative &#039;punishment&#039; for FL and MI -- even if it requires an emergency meeting of one of their committees -- so that the voters and the campaigns are no longer impacted. -- YES

2. The DNC negotiating some sort of agreement with the Obama and Clinton campaigns that would put a ceiling on their spending each week. And forbid them from talking about each other; make them focus on McCain, and/or on their policies. -- YES

3. The DNC, Supers,or any other big wigs trying to cut short the process before all states have spoken. -- NO

(As I said on another post, they could strip pledges not delegates: send in all the delegates from FL/MI as Uncommitted, let O and C woo them individually.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please distinguish:</p>
<p>1. The DNC correcting their own foul-up by immediately finding an alternative &#8216;punishment&#8217; for FL and MI &#8212; even if it requires an emergency meeting of one of their committees &#8212; so that the voters and the campaigns are no longer impacted. &#8212; YES</p>
<p>2. The DNC negotiating some sort of agreement with the Obama and Clinton campaigns that would put a ceiling on their spending each week. And forbid them from talking about each other; make them focus on McCain, and/or on their policies. &#8212; YES</p>
<p>3. The DNC, Supers,or any other big wigs trying to cut short the process before all states have spoken. &#8212; NO</p>
<p>(As I said on another post, they could strip pledges not delegates: send in all the delegates from FL/MI as Uncommitted, let O and C woo them individually.)</p>
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		<title>By: 1950democrat</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171983</link>
		<dc:creator>1950democrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The delegates will be seated&quot; -- the DNC people say, meaning &quot;after the other states have chosen the nominee.&quot; They are twisting meaning.

And the same when they say &quot;the will of the people&quot;, no longer meaning &quot;the popular vote&quot; but &quot;the number of pledged delegates.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The delegates will be seated&#8221; &#8212; the DNC people say, meaning &#8220;after the other states have chosen the nominee.&#8221; They are twisting meaning.</p>
<p>And the same when they say &#8220;the will of the people&#8221;, no longer meaning &#8220;the popular vote&#8221; but &#8220;the number of pledged delegates.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: 1950democrat</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171980</link>
		<dc:creator>1950democrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was ridiculous to set such an unfair and unenforceable punishment in the first place. If the DNC is really this deep into black leather, they need to at least find a punishmnet that impacts only the FL party leaders -- not the voters or the candidates.

Let the delegates vote as pledged for the nominee -- by mail -- but not actually get into the convention building for the wheeling and dealing

And/or, strip the pledges and send ALL the MI and FL delegates as Uncommitted. Let Obama and Hillary woo them individually, all summer. Obama should like this fine, as his camp campaigned for the Uncommitted slate in MI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was ridiculous to set such an unfair and unenforceable punishment in the first place. If the DNC is really this deep into black leather, they need to at least find a punishmnet that impacts only the FL party leaders &#8212; not the voters or the candidates.</p>
<p>Let the delegates vote as pledged for the nominee &#8212; by mail &#8212; but not actually get into the convention building for the wheeling and dealing</p>
<p>And/or, strip the pledges and send ALL the MI and FL delegates as Uncommitted. Let Obama and Hillary woo them individually, all summer. Obama should like this fine, as his camp campaigned for the Uncommitted slate in MI.</p>
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		<title>By: jwrjr</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171885</link>
		<dc:creator>jwrjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You laugh at my comment, but you have no answer for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You laugh at my comment, but you have no answer for it.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171770</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Murder, your a Yankee&#039;s fan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Murder, your a Yankee&#8217;s fan?</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171765</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One person one vote, nothing more nothing less. Let the chips fall where they may. 

The expression of power you advance can not hear the truth being spoken to it.

The American electorate has been geologically compressed for 7 years straight and the fault lines, when they snap will will make the Valdez, Good Friday earthquake, look like a mere bump in the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One person one vote, nothing more nothing less. Let the chips fall where they may. </p>
<p>The expression of power you advance can not hear the truth being spoken to it.</p>
<p>The American electorate has been geologically compressed for 7 years straight and the fault lines, when they snap will will make the Valdez, Good Friday earthquake, look like a mere bump in the road.</p>
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		<title>By: jm korbel</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171751</link>
		<dc:creator>jm korbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it too funny for words when Obama supporters attempt to display reason (merely omitting logic and known facts)?!

Anyway, sorry to correct you Kevin (comment above) but the DNC did not simply refuse funds. They categorically refused privately volunteered funding in FLA. And Obamanites in MI blocked local passage of a revote (before their State House took its break. (For those on KoolAid, please don&#039;t bother to comment - just look up the true facts.

Regarding the DNC: they don&#039;t appear to read contents of incoming email. I sent them a full page complaint and they replied with an email asking me for money. I deleted it but a smarter blogger answered their request, marked it ZERO dollars and said bluntly why in the comment box. This is probably a better way to get them to listen. 

There is a site organizing a list of PROTESTERS, as a PETITION to redress FLA/MI disenfranchisement. All interested, please sign on and forward the petition to your non Koolaid drinking friends. Especially send it to all &quot;garlic noses&quot; whom you know. Italians don&#039;t take BO or his Rev lightly. 

Here is the link where all can sign on:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/seatourdelegates/signatures-158.html

Lastly, for the growing numbers who are ready to jump ship - ie, intelligent, responsible Democrats who are totally fed up with the collective insanity of Obamamania (including in the MSM and DNC) a movement has been intitiated to show we 
mean business: 

A website domain has been established for a write-in campaign for Hillary Clinton (if that becomes necessary). It has no affiliation with the Clinton campaign. (They don&#039;t even know about it.) It is an escape hatch for those of us who cannot bear the  irresponsible alternatives. If you are also disenchanted with the DNC, go here to request being placed on the mailing list. The organizers are volunteers who are currently strategizing how we can best get our collective VOICE heard. To keep abreast to this link with democracy in action, just send your email address (and/or good ideas) to:

info@writehillaryin.com

Please forward the FLA/MI petition site and the new (if no alternative) writeHillaryin site to all who may wish to participate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it too funny for words when Obama supporters attempt to display reason (merely omitting logic and known facts)?!</p>
<p>Anyway, sorry to correct you Kevin (comment above) but the DNC did not simply refuse funds. They categorically refused privately volunteered funding in FLA. And Obamanites in MI blocked local passage of a revote (before their State House took its break. (For those on KoolAid, please don&#8217;t bother to comment &#8211; just look up the true facts.</p>
<p>Regarding the DNC: they don&#8217;t appear to read contents of incoming email. I sent them a full page complaint and they replied with an email asking me for money. I deleted it but a smarter blogger answered their request, marked it ZERO dollars and said bluntly why in the comment box. This is probably a better way to get them to listen. </p>
<p>There is a site organizing a list of PROTESTERS, as a PETITION to redress FLA/MI disenfranchisement. All interested, please sign on and forward the petition to your non Koolaid drinking friends. Especially send it to all &#8220;garlic noses&#8221; whom you know. Italians don&#8217;t take BO or his Rev lightly. </p>
<p>Here is the link where all can sign on:<br />
<a href="http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/seatourdelegates/signatures-158.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/seatourdelegates/signatures-158.html</a></p>
<p>Lastly, for the growing numbers who are ready to jump ship &#8211; ie, intelligent, responsible Democrats who are totally fed up with the collective insanity of Obamamania (including in the MSM and DNC) a movement has been intitiated to show we<br />
mean business: </p>
<p>A website domain has been established for a write-in campaign for Hillary Clinton (if that becomes necessary). It has no affiliation with the Clinton campaign. (They don&#8217;t even know about it.) It is an escape hatch for those of us who cannot bear the  irresponsible alternatives. If you are also disenchanted with the DNC, go here to request being placed on the mailing list. The organizers are volunteers who are currently strategizing how we can best get our collective VOICE heard. To keep abreast to this link with democracy in action, just send your email address (and/or good ideas) to:</p>
<p><a href="mailto:info@writehillaryin.com">info@writehillaryin.com</a></p>
<p>Please forward the FLA/MI petition site and the new (if no alternative) writeHillaryin site to all who may wish to participate.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171722</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean has little choice in the matter.

&quot;&lt;em&gt;Remain calm&lt;/em&gt;. All is well.&quot;

The big money is telling him who to bat for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean has little choice in the matter.</p>
<p>&#8220;<em>Remain calm</em>. All is well.&#8221;</p>
<p>The big money is telling him who to bat for.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171718</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mere fact Obama took his name off the ballot gave him a disadvantage to play the victim card with.

However, the first two states moved their dates forward to remain ahead, as did South Carolina?

How about we don&#039;t seat Iowa and South Carolina either? Oops, there goes any lead you could claim for the Golden One who doesn&#039;t take notes well or keep a neat desk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mere fact Obama took his name off the ballot gave him a disadvantage to play the victim card with.</p>
<p>However, the first two states moved their dates forward to remain ahead, as did South Carolina?</p>
<p>How about we don&#8217;t seat Iowa and South Carolina either? Oops, there goes any lead you could claim for the Golden One who doesn&#8217;t take notes well or keep a neat desk.</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171647</link>
		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Unfortunately the voters of America, the fly in Hillary’s ointment, decided they liked Barack Obama as their preferred candidate and now he’s leading. Rather &lt;strong&gt;convincingly&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yet so afraid of a re-vote.

On another blog, a woman in Idaho described going to her caucus where about 60 people showed up.She said they were pretty evenly split with the Obama supporters being very agressive, but the Hillary supporters did manage to hold their ground. But Obama did win. She said there are 4,000 people in her town. Hardly a fair representation of the elctorate of people who had to work and couldn&#039;t show up to caucus.

But I love her final statement in which she opined that it probably didn&#039;t matter because no way was her state going to go Democratic in Nov anyway.

&lt;em&gt;&#039;Convincingly&#039;,&lt;/em&gt;  Yeah.... right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Unfortunately the voters of America, the fly in Hillary’s ointment, decided they liked Barack Obama as their preferred candidate and now he’s leading. Rather <strong>convincingly</strong>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>Yet so afraid of a re-vote.</p>
<p>On another blog, a woman in Idaho described going to her caucus where about 60 people showed up.She said they were pretty evenly split with the Obama supporters being very agressive, but the Hillary supporters did manage to hold their ground. But Obama did win. She said there are 4,000 people in her town. Hardly a fair representation of the elctorate of people who had to work and couldn&#8217;t show up to caucus.</p>
<p>But I love her final statement in which she opined that it probably didn&#8217;t matter because no way was her state going to go Democratic in Nov anyway.</p>
<p><em>&#8216;Convincingly&#8217;,</em>  Yeah&#8230;. right.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171595</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also add - to say out one side of your mouth that voters are being disenfranchised in Fl and Mi, then out the other encourage the disenfranchisement of millions of more voters by repeatedly reminding their pledged delegates that they can ignore the rules themselves and switch over, is wonderful irony. 

I look forward to the high pitched letters you guys will be writing to the Hillary campaign threatening to pull your donations until she remedies her blatant disregard for the democratic process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also add &#8211; to say out one side of your mouth that voters are being disenfranchised in Fl and Mi, then out the other encourage the disenfranchisement of millions of more voters by repeatedly reminding their pledged delegates that they can ignore the rules themselves and switch over, is wonderful irony. </p>
<p>I look forward to the high pitched letters you guys will be writing to the Hillary campaign threatening to pull your donations until she remedies her blatant disregard for the democratic process.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/1966/not-done-with-howard-dean-yet/#comment-171587</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This wasn&#039;t an issue when the Hillary campaign was in front and didn&#039;t need Florida and Michigan to give her an excuse to stay in the race.

Florida and Michigan agreed to the rules, then they broke them. A year and a half ago. Back when the Hillary campaign and Hillary herself were boasting that she was the presumptive nominee.

Unfortunately the voters of America, the fly in Hillary&#039;s ointment, decided they liked Barack Obama as their preferred candidate and now he&#039;s leading. Rather convincingly. 

So all of a sudden Fl and Mi become the evil &quot;DNC hearts OBAMA machine&quot; vs &quot;Hillary for DEMOCRACY and all that other stuff we didn&#039;t really care about a year and a half ago or actually whenever Barack Obama wins things&quot;.

Is that the same democracy in which she repeatedly tells PLEDGED delegates nationwide that even though they&#039;re pledged doesn&#039;t mean they need to stick with the decision of the people they represent? 

Does that include the democracy in which the bully boy tactics of 20 billionaires threaten the DNC if they don&#039;t do as they want?

Is that the same democracy in which the Clinton campaign has consistently downplayed and shrugged shoulders at states they didn&#039;t win in? 

I can but imagine the gaskets that would be blowing if it was the Obama campaign acting this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This wasn&#8217;t an issue when the Hillary campaign was in front and didn&#8217;t need Florida and Michigan to give her an excuse to stay in the race.</p>
<p>Florida and Michigan agreed to the rules, then they broke them. A year and a half ago. Back when the Hillary campaign and Hillary herself were boasting that she was the presumptive nominee.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the voters of America, the fly in Hillary&#8217;s ointment, decided they liked Barack Obama as their preferred candidate and now he&#8217;s leading. Rather convincingly. </p>
<p>So all of a sudden Fl and Mi become the evil &#8220;DNC hearts OBAMA machine&#8221; vs &#8220;Hillary for DEMOCRACY and all that other stuff we didn&#8217;t really care about a year and a half ago or actually whenever Barack Obama wins things&#8221;.</p>
<p>Is that the same democracy in which she repeatedly tells PLEDGED delegates nationwide that even though they&#8217;re pledged doesn&#8217;t mean they need to stick with the decision of the people they represent? </p>
<p>Does that include the democracy in which the bully boy tactics of 20 billionaires threaten the DNC if they don&#8217;t do as they want?</p>
<p>Is that the same democracy in which the Clinton campaign has consistently downplayed and shrugged shoulders at states they didn&#8217;t win in? </p>
<p>I can but imagine the gaskets that would be blowing if it was the Obama campaign acting this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too funny. short of a revote (what&#039;s called for) its the only sensible thing - the mere fact that Hillary left her name on the ballot (unlike the other candidates who agreed to remove them) gave her an unfair advantage.

Combined w/ the fact that she wasn&#039;t pressed about seating these delegates until she was behind... pretty much says the only thing if the states won&#039;t revote is to distribute them evenly.

But of course you don&#039;t want that either, eh? So what are we to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too funny. short of a revote (what&#8217;s called for) its the only sensible thing &#8211; the mere fact that Hillary left her name on the ballot (unlike the other candidates who agreed to remove them) gave her an unfair advantage.</p>
<p>Combined w/ the fact that she wasn&#8217;t pressed about seating these delegates until she was behind&#8230; pretty much says the only thing if the states won&#8217;t revote is to distribute them evenly.</p>
<p>But of course you don&#8217;t want that either, eh? So what are we to do?</p>
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		<title>By: jwrjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwrjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt that you like the 50/50 solution.  It gives Obama delegates he didn&#039;t earn, from people who voted against him.  A neat little racket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that you like the 50/50 solution.  It gives Obama delegates he didn&#8217;t earn, from people who voted against him.  A neat little racket.</p>
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