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		<title>By: Montag</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14194</link>
		<dc:creator>Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 14:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shirin,
You mean propaganda like this guy?

&quot;People sometimes say to me: &#039;Be careful!  You will have twenty years of guerrilla warfare on your hands!&#039;  I am delighted at the prospect . . . Germany will remain in a state of perpetual alertness.&quot;--Adolf Hitler, Aug. 29, 1942
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shirin,<br />
You mean propaganda like this guy?</p>
<p>&#8220;People sometimes say to me: &#8216;Be careful!  You will have twenty years of guerrilla warfare on your hands!&#8217;  I am delighted at the prospect . . . Germany will remain in a state of perpetual alertness.&#8221;&#8211;Adolf Hitler, Aug. 29, 1942</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14193</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 13:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Cheney runs over there to pressure them to get with an oil profit sharing deal&quot;

Thanks, yb, for the info! Small correction. The oil law that the Bushies are foaming at the mouth to get signed is NOT an &quot;oil profit sharing deal&quot; - that is what it how it is being sold to the American public, but it is, in fact, the vehicle by which the neocons hope to obtain one of the things for which they went to Iraq - control of its oil.

So, here where we know better, let&#039;s not use the Bushite&#039;s propaganda terminology, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cheney runs over there to pressure them to get with an oil profit sharing deal&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks, yb, for the info! Small correction. The oil law that the Bushies are foaming at the mouth to get signed is NOT an &#8220;oil profit sharing deal&#8221; &#8211; that is what it how it is being sold to the American public, but it is, in fact, the vehicle by which the neocons hope to obtain one of the things for which they went to Iraq &#8211; control of its oil.</p>
<p>So, here where we know better, let&#8217;s not use the Bushite&#8217;s propaganda terminology, please.</p>
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		<title>By: PrchrLady</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14192</link>
		<dc:creator>PrchrLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 21:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, yb for the great commentary and insight... and Montag, I appreciated your poem on the other thread.  Well done...

I have no doubts that Cheney&#039;s &#039;spur of the moment&#039; trip will end up producing exactly the opposite of what we here would like to see... mostly more of his Halimilk&#039;em schemes... I pray that someone will interfvene soon to put a straglehold on all these WHIG and PNAC memebers... 

I see Impeachment as our last and only solution at this point.  We have lost our credibility and whatever good name we had throughout the International community.  We are all part of the problem, if we don&#039;t make ourselves part of the solution... Keep calling Congress.  I&#039;m making recycled signs as per freeway blogger...  Let&#039;s bring them all to trial... to the Hague...  Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, yb for the great commentary and insight&#8230; and Montag, I appreciated your poem on the other thread.  Well done&#8230;</p>
<p>I have no doubts that Cheney&#8217;s &#8217;spur of the moment&#8217; trip will end up producing exactly the opposite of what we here would like to see&#8230; mostly more of his Halimilk&#8217;em schemes&#8230; I pray that someone will interfvene soon to put a straglehold on all these WHIG and PNAC memebers&#8230; </p>
<p>I see Impeachment as our last and only solution at this point.  We have lost our credibility and whatever good name we had throughout the International community.  We are all part of the problem, if we don&#8217;t make ourselves part of the solution&#8230; Keep calling Congress.  I&#8217;m making recycled signs as per freeway blogger&#8230;  Let&#8217;s bring them all to trial&#8230; to the Hague&#8230;  Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Montag</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14191</link>
		<dc:creator>Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 21:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the killing of this Taliban big shot wasn&#039;t a win for the U.S. Turns out he was a Mad Dog who was alienating the people, so someone liquidated him assassination-style, resulting in increased support for the Taliban.

I saw a heart-breaking TV report about a Canadian Hearts-and-Minds unit in Afghanistan.  They were always short on fulfilling their promises to the locals and then, after compromising them, were called away because of the military situation due to a lack of enough soldiers.  No one knows what happened to the villagers who were compromised and then abandoned to the mercies of the Taliban--but it can&#039;t have been good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the killing of this Taliban big shot wasn&#8217;t a win for the U.S. Turns out he was a Mad Dog who was alienating the people, so someone liquidated him assassination-style, resulting in increased support for the Taliban.</p>
<p>I saw a heart-breaking TV report about a Canadian Hearts-and-Minds unit in Afghanistan.  They were always short on fulfilling their promises to the locals and then, after compromising them, were called away because of the military situation due to a lack of enough soldiers.  No one knows what happened to the villagers who were compromised and then abandoned to the mercies of the Taliban&#8211;but it can&#8217;t have been good.</p>
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		<title>By: ybnormal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14190</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 20:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, maybe a couple of links.
Start with the U.S. Government, because, you know, your government loves you.  At least they have some handy maps, and the correct spelling of country names, which can then be used to launch searches for more info.

Energy information administration:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Caspian/Background.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Caspian/Background.html&lt;/a&gt;

CIA world factbook:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, maybe a couple of links.<br />
Start with the U.S. Government, because, you know, your government loves you.  At least they have some handy maps, and the correct spelling of country names, which can then be used to launch searches for more info.</p>
<p>Energy information administration:<br />
<a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Caspian/Background.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Caspian/Background.html</a></p>
<p>CIA world factbook:<br />
<a href="http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ybnormal</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 20:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Note: the tidbits below just scratch the surface.  No links, but it can all be easily googled, with results from multiple sources)
Any discusson about Afghanistan has to include the economics of the Caspian Sea region to be meaningful.  Lots of fossil fuel reserves there; as Cheney might say &#039;big time&#039;.  The big story of the past week in this region is the Sat 5/12 natural gas pipeline deal between Russia, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan; basically cutting the U.S. out as a player.  Russia, with 10 times the gas reserves of Turkmenistan, doesn&#039;t actually need the gas, but the deal corners the supply market, which kills the more expensive U.S. trans-Caspian deal.  Russia can afford this because they sell natural gas to Europe for more than twice what they pay Turkmenistan.  Actually, they sell the Russian gas to Europe, then feed Turkmenistan gas back into their supply grid at the other end.

Meanwhile, other area pipeline proposals continue.  India wants a pipeline from Iran, but is not wild about having it go through Pakistan to get there, so ideas are floating about bypassing Pakistan with a submarine pipeline, and appeasing them by putting Pakistan in charge of undersea pipeline security.  And then there&#039;s China, with rapidly increasing energy demands, for whom the supply is a wild card.

While all this is going on, Iraq has a vote in favor of a timetable for the U.S. to leave, around the same time as Cheney runs over there to pressure them to get with an oil profit sharing deal instead of going on a 2-month vacation.  Anyone for another pipeline?  The Kurds in the north, bordering Turkey (a potential pass-thru for a European pipeline), just happen to be the ones that hate the U.S. the least, only half of them instead of most of them.  This might be a day late and a dollar short, but still, for what it&#039;s worth.

So what happened to the trans-Afghanistan pipeline we heard about just a few years ago as an alleged reason to attack the country?  Much industry news reports it as a fading idea, due to the persistence of instability in Taliban controlled areas.  In other words, it&#039;s not where the smart investment money is right now; which means, if the trend continues, U.S. interest in Afghanistan could soon vanish faster than a New Orleans neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Note: the tidbits below just scratch the surface.  No links, but it can all be easily googled, with results from multiple sources)<br />
Any discusson about Afghanistan has to include the economics of the Caspian Sea region to be meaningful.  Lots of fossil fuel reserves there; as Cheney might say &#8216;big time&#8217;.  The big story of the past week in this region is the Sat 5/12 natural gas pipeline deal between Russia, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan; basically cutting the U.S. out as a player.  Russia, with 10 times the gas reserves of Turkmenistan, doesn&#8217;t actually need the gas, but the deal corners the supply market, which kills the more expensive U.S. trans-Caspian deal.  Russia can afford this because they sell natural gas to Europe for more than twice what they pay Turkmenistan.  Actually, they sell the Russian gas to Europe, then feed Turkmenistan gas back into their supply grid at the other end.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, other area pipeline proposals continue.  India wants a pipeline from Iran, but is not wild about having it go through Pakistan to get there, so ideas are floating about bypassing Pakistan with a submarine pipeline, and appeasing them by putting Pakistan in charge of undersea pipeline security.  And then there&#8217;s China, with rapidly increasing energy demands, for whom the supply is a wild card.</p>
<p>While all this is going on, Iraq has a vote in favor of a timetable for the U.S. to leave, around the same time as Cheney runs over there to pressure them to get with an oil profit sharing deal instead of going on a 2-month vacation.  Anyone for another pipeline?  The Kurds in the north, bordering Turkey (a potential pass-thru for a European pipeline), just happen to be the ones that hate the U.S. the least, only half of them instead of most of them.  This might be a day late and a dollar short, but still, for what it&#8217;s worth.</p>
<p>So what happened to the trans-Afghanistan pipeline we heard about just a few years ago as an alleged reason to attack the country?  Much industry news reports it as a fading idea, due to the persistence of instability in Taliban controlled areas.  In other words, it&#8217;s not where the smart investment money is right now; which means, if the trend continues, U.S. interest in Afghanistan could soon vanish faster than a New Orleans neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: PrchrLady</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14188</link>
		<dc:creator>PrchrLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stewart was simply put, AMAZING... Gonzo is a CLOWN, and his happy smiles will soon turn to tears...  LOVE the Daily Show... when will we get to see Larry on... those two would be great together... might wake up a lot more of the sheeple...  MSM should learn from the ratings alone that it would sell, since they seem to not understand what real journalism or reporting is all about...

Anyways... I just have a deep down feeling of something BIG is about ready to bust... one of the BIG boys is getting ready to go down... SOON, I pray...

OT. BTW, spent the past few days putting in my &#039;city garden&#039;... I put in beans and spinich, as well as sunflowers for pole beans to climb... lots of rain here in MI, so hopefully, I will have some fresh foods that I know were grown and handled safely...  Will harvest cat nip for the babies later this week...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stewart was simply put, AMAZING&#8230; Gonzo is a CLOWN, and his happy smiles will soon turn to tears&#8230;  LOVE the Daily Show&#8230; when will we get to see Larry on&#8230; those two would be great together&#8230; might wake up a lot more of the sheeple&#8230;  MSM should learn from the ratings alone that it would sell, since they seem to not understand what real journalism or reporting is all about&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyways&#8230; I just have a deep down feeling of something BIG is about ready to bust&#8230; one of the BIG boys is getting ready to go down&#8230; SOON, I pray&#8230;</p>
<p>OT. BTW, spent the past few days putting in my &#8216;city garden&#8217;&#8230; I put in beans and spinich, as well as sunflowers for pole beans to climb&#8230; lots of rain here in MI, so hopefully, I will have some fresh foods that I know were grown and handled safely&#8230;  Will harvest cat nip for the babies later this week&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14187</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 15:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys,
Do the Bushies even know what their goals are? They keep changing with the weather, as do their rationalizations.

Jon Stewart was great last night. It wasn&#039;t just an indictment of Gonzales though, but of the White House stenographers pretending to be the press as well. Talk about clusterf**ks: The Bushies deliberately set up the DOJ debacle that way, so no one would be accountable. So it was hilarious today, when Gonzales said that his 2nd in command, McNulty, was in charge even if McNulty didn&#039;t know it and even though Gonzales gave the right to hire-and-fire USAs to two unqualified assistants. Can&#039;t wait to hear what McNulty tells Congress next. 

Also, wonder how long Wolfie and Shaha will be together? Wolfie just blamed her for his breaking the World Bank rules. 

Bushies never take responsibility for anything!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys,<br />
Do the Bushies even know what their goals are? They keep changing with the weather, as do their rationalizations.</p>
<p>Jon Stewart was great last night. It wasn&#8217;t just an indictment of Gonzales though, but of the White House stenographers pretending to be the press as well. Talk about clusterf**ks: The Bushies deliberately set up the DOJ debacle that way, so no one would be accountable. So it was hilarious today, when Gonzales said that his 2nd in command, McNulty, was in charge even if McNulty didn&#8217;t know it and even though Gonzales gave the right to hire-and-fire USAs to two unqualified assistants. Can&#8217;t wait to hear what McNulty tells Congress next. </p>
<p>Also, wonder how long Wolfie and Shaha will be together? Wolfie just blamed her for his breaking the World Bank rules. </p>
<p>Bushies never take responsibility for anything!</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14186</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 14:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PrchrLady, you may be right, but in the meantime, they can&#039;t even seem to succeed in their own nefarious goals - so, so, pathetic!

And speaking of pathetic, did you see Jon Stewart&#039;s Alberto Gonzalez bit last night? Does Gonzalez have even the remotest clue how lame and pathetic he looks in those hearings? No dignity, no honour, not even a pretense at either. Unbelievable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PrchrLady, you may be right, but in the meantime, they can&#8217;t even seem to succeed in their own nefarious goals &#8211; so, so, pathetic!</p>
<p>And speaking of pathetic, did you see Jon Stewart&#8217;s Alberto Gonzalez bit last night? Does Gonzalez have even the remotest clue how lame and pathetic he looks in those hearings? No dignity, no honour, not even a pretense at either. Unbelievable!</p>
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		<title>By: PrchrLady</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14185</link>
		<dc:creator>PrchrLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 14:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can these Keystone Kops on Crack do ANYTHING right?!

Posted by: Shirin &#124; Tuesday, 15 May 2007 at 12:27 
  No Shirin, nothing, except to screw the world and all its peoples, so the few rich cronies left can enjoy their spoils...  It won&#039;[t last much longer though... I feel the crack balls are about to be crushed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can these Keystone Kops on Crack do ANYTHING right?!</p>
<p>Posted by: Shirin | Tuesday, 15 May 2007 at 12:27<br />
  No Shirin, nothing, except to screw the world and all its peoples, so the few rich cronies left can enjoy their spoils&#8230;  It won&#8217;[t last much longer though&#8230; I feel the crack balls are about to be crushed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14184</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 12:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, leslie. I would not call Afghanistan &quot;America&#039;s other war&quot;, I would call it Americans other Cluster****. 

Can these Keystone Kops on Crack do ANYTHING right?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, leslie. I would not call Afghanistan &#8220;America&#8217;s other war&#8221;, I would call it Americans other Cluster****. </p>
<p>Can these Keystone Kops on Crack do ANYTHING right?!</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14183</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 12:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shirin: &quot;What&#039;s next?&quot;

Bush is also very busy in Africa.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/See_No_Evil%3A_Somalia_Sinks_Into_the_Pit_as_the_World_Looks_Away/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/See_No_Evil%3A_Somalia_Sinks_Into_the_Pit_as_the_World_Looks_Away/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shirin: &#8220;What&#8217;s next?&#8221;</p>
<p>Bush is also very busy in Africa.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/See_No_Evil%3A_Somalia_Sinks_Into_the_Pit_as_the_World_Looks_Away/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/See_No_Evil%3A_Somalia_Sinks_Into_the_Pit_as_the_World_Looks_Away/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14182</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 12:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhh, thanks Ybnormal.</description>
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		<title>By: ybnormal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/05/13/americas-other-war/#comment-14181</link>
		<dc:creator>ybnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 11:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A to Q: &quot;DeadIssue and PrchrLady,
Who is Charles Barkley?&quot;

Famous former NBA, also known by nickname, &quot;Round Mound of Rebound&quot;

So in context of the comment, &quot;I say we learn from what has happened up to this point, and fundamentally change our strategy from the inside out.&quot;

It appears to be a metaphor for looking for a political rebound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A to Q: &#8220;DeadIssue and PrchrLady,<br />
Who is Charles Barkley?&#8221;</p>
<p>Famous former NBA, also known by nickname, &#8220;Round Mound of Rebound&#8221;</p>
<p>So in context of the comment, &#8220;I say we learn from what has happened up to this point, and fundamentally change our strategy from the inside out.&#8221;</p>
<p>It appears to be a metaphor for looking for a political rebound.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 11:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeadIssue and PrchrLady,
Who is Charles Barkley?

PrchrLady,
Well, Blackwater did an excellent job filling in for the National Guard during Hurricane Katrina, you know. [sarcasm mine]

Mr. Murder,
Bush is an equal-opportunity back breaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeadIssue and PrchrLady,<br />
Who is Charles Barkley?</p>
<p>PrchrLady,<br />
Well, Blackwater did an excellent job filling in for the National Guard during Hurricane Katrina, you know. [sarcasm mine]</p>
<p>Mr. Murder,<br />
Bush is an equal-opportunity back breaker.</p>
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