So How Are Things Going in Iraq?
By Larry JohnsoncloseAuthor: Larry Johnson
Name: Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
About: Larry C. Johnson is a former analyst at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, who moved subsequently in 1989 to the U.S. Department of State, where he served four years as the deputy director for transportation security, antiterrorism assistance training, and special operations in the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism. He left government service in October 1993 and set up a consulting business. He currently is the co-owner and CEO of BERG Associates, LLC (Business Exposure Reduction Group) and is an expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, and crisis and risk management, and money laundering investigations. Johnson is the founder and main author of No Quarter, a weblog that addresses issues of terrorism and intelligence and politics. NoQuarterUSA was nominated as Best Political Blog of 2008.[1] He has worked as a private consultant on issues of international terrorism and security for the U.S. Government and private companies. Johnson has appeared as a consultant and commentator in many major newspapers and news programs.[2]
Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Views
2.1 1996
2.2 1998
2.3 1999
2.4 2000
2.5 2001
2.6 2003
2.6.1 Plame affair
2.7 2008
3 Notes
4 References
5 External links
[edit]Background
Larry Johnson moved to Washington, D.C. in 1979 to begin work on a Ph.D. at the American University. Although he completed successfully all coursework and comprehensive exams, he did not write a dissertation. In 1978 and in 1983-85 he worked in Latin America on community development projects as a community organizer. Returning to the United States in 1985 he joined the Central Intelligence Agency, thanks in part to a letter of recommendation from Republican Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) that helped to "open doors" for him at the Agency.[3] Johnson entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985 and was a classmate of Valerie Plame. Every member of that class was undercover. After a year in the Career Trainee program, which included a stint with the Afghan Task Force, Johnson was assigned as an analyst in the Middle America Caribbean Division in the Latin American Affairs Office of the Directorate of Intelligence. He received two Exceptional Performance awards and was promoted ultimately to Senior Regional Analyst for Central America.
Johnson remained undercover in the CIA until October 1989, when he resigned from the CIA and started a new job in the Office of Counter Terrorism at the Department of State. Johnson played an instrumental role in launching the Terrorism Rewards program international advertising campaign (working with Diplomatic Security officers Brad Smith and Michael Parks). [4] Johnson also was involved in a variety of crisis management response operations, including the release of hostages from Lebanon and liaison with the Pan Am 103 families. He left government service in October 1993 and started his own business as a consultant.
After leaving government service, Johnson became a frequent guest on many major television news shows when a question of terrorism came up. He was first interviewed by CNN following the capture of Carlos the Jackal. Johnson subsequently appeared on CNN, ABC's Nightline, CBS, the BBC, MSNBC, the Jim Lehrer News Hour, NBC, and NPR. In December of 1999, for example, Johnson was hired by NBC to serve as its terrorist expert for the Y2000 and was in Time Square with Tom Brokaw and Katie Couric ("a lot of fun and the best way to see in the New Year"). Johnson also was hired in January 2002 as a Fox News Analyst and remained under contract until February 2003.
Since 1994 a significant focus of Johnson's consulting work has been with the U.S. military special operations forces in scripting and conducting military counter terrorism exercises. He traveled under orders from the U.S. military to Iraq in May 2006 to work on a short term project.
A registered Republican who supported President Bush in 2000, Johnson became a strong critic of the Bush administration in May 2003 for its conduct of the war in Iraq and, a few months later, for its role in the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame.[5] He was also featured in the 2004 political documentary Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism. Since Robert Novak's controversial disclosure of Valerie Plame as a CIA operative in July 2003, Johnson has contributed to public discourse on intelligence matters, often sparking further controversy. He has been interviewed by both the mass media and the alternative media and published commentaries on a variety of issues, including the Plame affair, the controversy concerning Mary McCarthy, and the resignation of Porter Goss as Director of Central Intelligence.
[edit]Views
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[edit]1996
In 1996, Johnson noted that terrorism worldwide was on the decline. "Terrorist incidents [both internationally and in the US] have fallen to levels not seen since the 1970s. Whether measured by the number of incidents, the number of fatalities, or the number of groups, raw statistics demonstrate that the level of terrorist violence has declined since the mid-1980s. In fact, the evidence suggests terrorism was more widespread and deadly 10 years ago."[6]
He also wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times suggesting that the newer and more deadly terrorist threat to the U.S. was embodied by "networks of terrorists, mostly foreign, working within its borders." Exemplifying this threat was Ramzi Yousef, one of the masterminds behind the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. In the article, Johnson suggests that enhanced cooperation between intelligence agencies, particularly the FBI and CIA, is mandatory to meet the growing threat of terror networks.[7]
[edit]1998
In 1998, Johnson argued that while overall terrorism was declining, the threat from bin Laden and al-Qaeda should be the focus of American counterterrorism policy:
The nature of the threat posed by Bin Ladin is highlighted by my final chart, number 7. Osama Bin Ladin and individuals associated with him have killed and wounded more Americans than any other group. This chart also illustrates that groups such as Hamas and the Tamil Tigers (LTTE) prior to 1998 have killed more foreigners in the anti-US terrorist attacks. If we take into account the bombings of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Osama's status as the most lethal terrorist is certain.[8]
In addition, he told USA Today that bin Laden had participated in "virtually every major attack of terrorism against the United States" in the 1990s. Johnson underlined the threat posed by bin Laden, saying that he was possessed by "hatred and craziness." If left unanswered, "he would continue to terrorize Americans around the world. He has no compunction about killing women and children. He's a complete egalitarian in his murderous attitude."[9]
[edit]1999
In an interview with PBS's Frontline for its 1999 program, Hunting bin Laden, Johnson discussed Osama bin Laden.[10] According to Johnson, Americans had "tended to make Osama bin Laden sort of a superman in Muslim garb." "Actually," he continues, "Osama bin Laden, in my view, represents more of a symptom of a problem, and the problem is this: the Saudi Arabian government, not just Osama bin Laden but many people in Saudi Arabia, have been sending money to radical Islamic groups for years." Johnson continued:
When you look at who's killed Americans in the last 10 years, the individuals he's supported and backed--I'm basing that upon the initial information that's been released in the indictments and conversations with others in the intelligence communities--Osama bin Laden has been the one killing Americans. No other terrorist group in the world has been out killing Americans except for Osama bin Laden.... Osama bin Laden remains out there as the one really targeting us. So, we recognize that he's the threat. He's serious about wanting to kill Americans, but as long as he's in Afghanistan, as long as he doesn't have access to a cell phone, as long as he can't just hop on a plane and travel wherever he wants without fear of being arrested, his ability to plan and conduct terrorist operations is extremely limited. We have to recognize [that] he would like to do a lot of damage. He would like to kill Americans, but wanting to is different from being able to, having the full capabilities in place.[11]
In the interview, Johnson doubted the ability of members of bin Laden's organization to plan and put their lives on the line:
There's not another Ali or Mustafa out there at this point and Osama bin Laden in my view has not been a very effective organizer or leader. He talks a great game and puts out terrific threats as far as stirring the passions in the United States and maybe firing up the imaginations of some young Muslims throughout the world. But when push comes to shove, can he get a group of people who are together who will say: we are going to plan an operation, we're going to put our lives on the line, we're going to go out and try and kill people and we don't care what the consequence is? It hasn't happened.[12]
Frontline asked:
[Is it] ... fair to say what you're saying is that the president of the United States, his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor for counter-terrorism, are basically blowing smoke [about the danger posed by bin Laden] and his followers]?
Johnson responded:
They're grossly exaggerating the problem. They are hyping it. They shouldn't be talking about rising terrorism. Instead of saying "terrorism's rising," it's not. "Terrorism is spreading," it's not. "More people are dying from terrorism," not the case. But what they should be saying is, "There's one individual out there that really doesn't like us, and he's made it his mission in life to kill Americans, and we've gotta deal with him." But we need to have a voice of reason in that process instead of putting ourselves out crying wolf, because this is essentially what's taking place right now. They call it the administration that cries wolf.[12]
[edit]2000
Johnson co-authored an article in 2000 with Milt Bearden which focused on the threat posed by al-Qaeda specifically, rather than terrorism trends in general. Beardon and Johnson note that new information emerging about the bombings at Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 points to the threat posed by Imad Mugniyah and Osama Bin Laden will require "a coordinated policy that will employ a full range of covert, clandestine, diplomatic, and military operations," concluding:
The Clinton Administration has shot its bolt on the terrorist problem with small effect, and no last minute show of force will change the record. A new administration can start afresh with a more sharply defined set of terrorism goals – Mughniyeh and bin Laden and their protectors for starters – and bring the full, coordinated force of American diplomatic, military, and intelligence capabilities to bear on the problem.[13]
[edit]2001
After Johnson's testimony to the special forum at the U.S. Senate, Gary J. Schmitt, executive director and CEO of the Project for the New American Century, refers in the Daily Standard (blog) to an op-ed piece Johnson wrote two months prior to the 9/11 attacks, claiming that Johnson argued that the US had little to fear from terrorism.[14]
In an editorial entitled "The Declining Terrorist Threat," published in the New York Times on 10 July 2001, Johnson says:
Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.... None of these beliefs are based in fact.... While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way.[15]
Ten days after the 9/11 attacks, after quoting the above passage, Timothy Noah concludes a post in his "Chatterbox" feature at Slate: "Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong."[16] Johnson defended himself against such attacks:
The rightwing is resurrecting an op-ed I wrote in July 2001. I stand by the full article. It is still relevant today. I am accused, incorrectly, of ignoring the threat of terrorism. In fact, I correctly noted that the real threat emanated from Bin Laden and Islamic extremism. President Bush, for his part, ignored the CIA warning in August 2001 that Al Qaeda was posed to strike inside the United States.[17]
After September 11, Johnson appeared several times on FOX News to address the question of military action against terrorism. On 14 November, he defended the FBI's proposal to interview 5,000 students in the U.S. suspected of having information relevant to the September 11 investigations:
I think they should talk to everyone that they feel they have a need to talk to. I mean, look, this is war. This is not a legal proceeding. This isn't the O.J. Simpson trial. The folks that attacked us -- they murdered Americans. And we've got to recognize that in wartime, we should do things differently.[18]
[edit]2003
In January 2003, Johnson wrote an analysis of the relationship between the upcoming U.S. invasion of Iraq and the threat of transnational terrorism. According to Johnson, Bremer's response was to tell him that "it didn't matter what Saddam did or didn't do, we were going to war."[19] The paper warned that an invasion would "do little to destroy the infrastructure of radical Islamic terrorism responsible for the 9-11 attacks." Noting that Saddam Hussein's regime has been a longtime supporter of regional terrorist organizations such as the PLO, Johnson examines contacts between Saddam Hussein and transnational terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda:
There is no doubt that Iraq is a state sponsor of terrorism—i.e., a country that provides financial support, safe haven, training, or weapons and explosives to groups or individuals that carry out terrorist attacks. . . . According to Central Intelligence Agency data, there is no credible evidence implicating Iraq in any mass casualty terrorist attacks since 1991. . . .
Johnson notes that the period immediately leading up to 2003 saw a rise of activity surrounding terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, suggesting that "Iraq is willing to help a movement that it would otherwise oppose on ideological grounds. Nonetheless," Johnson concludes, "it is important to understand that Iraqi entreaties to Al Qaeda, are most likely intended as a tactic to bolster Iraq’s ability to fight off a U.S. invasion rather than a deep-seated theological and ideological commitment to the terrorist agenda of Bin Laden.[20]
In that analysis Johnson also warns that the U.S.-led invasion was likely to backfire:
In fact there is a serious risk that a U.S. led war against Iraq may crystallize the diffused anger in the Arab and Muslim world — a heretofore unattained goal of bin Laden and his followers — and persuade more Muslim youths to take up the terrorist banner against America and her citizens.... If we decide to invade Iraq we must be prepared for the contingency that our attack will inspire young Muslims to pursue jihad against the West in general and the United States in particular. Just as the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan rallied many Muslims, especially young adults to the cause of jihad, a U.S. attack may enable Islamic extremists to attract new followers.[20]
Johnson also gave interviews on the topic of what to do with captured al-Qaeda leaders; while he did not condone torture, he suggested that a "sleep deprivation and reward system" might be useful for getting information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed:
I don't see a constitutional right to have eight hours of sleep. You shouldn't subject someone to freezing but they don't get to wear mink coats, either.[21]
In May 2003, Johnson joined members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) in condemning the manipulation of intelligence for political purposes:
It is a misuse and abuse of intelligence. The president was being misled. He was ill served by the folks who are supposed to protect him on this. Whether this was witting or unwitting, I don't know, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.[22]
[edit]Plame affair
After Robert Novak wrote a column identifying the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson as a CIA officer, the media invited Johnson to comment on the ensuing scandal because he had been a member of the same Career Trainee class with Valerie Plame Wilson. For example, in October 2003, he appeared on Democracy Now to discuss the Plame affair. He told interviewer Amy Goodman that Valerie Wilson's cover should have been respected whether she was an "analyst" or a "cleaning lady": "if she's undercover she's undercover, period. If the media allows themselves to get distracted with those kinds of curve balls, they ignore the issue."[23]
He told a Senate Democratic Policy Committee in October 2003, "My classmates and I have been betrayed. Together, we have kept the secrets of each other's identities a secret for 18 years. Each and every one of us have kept that secret, whether we were in the CIA, in other government service or in the private sector. But this issue is not just about a blown cover. It is about the destruction of the very essence, the core of human intelligence collection activities: plausible deniability, apparently, for partisan domestic political reasons."[24]
Johnson testified at a special joint hearing of Congressional and Senate Democrats on 22 July 2005 about the consequences arising from the Plame affair.[25]
[edit]2008
In 2008, Johnson emerged as a staunch supporter of Hillary Clinton and a strong critic of Barack Obama. Larry Johnson's blog, NoQuarterUSA, became a rally point for Clinton supporters wary of Barack Obama's qualifications to be president. Supporters of Barack Obama insist that a story that first appeared on Johnson's blog--a report that Republican operatives have a tape of Michelle Obama making racially insenstive comments about caucasians--has been "refuted" Barack Obama's Fight the Smears website.[26]. However, Johnson never claimed to have the tape and reported that the Republican operatives controlling it intended to release the tape sometime after the Democratic Convention in August 2008. On October 21, however, he asserted that the operative in possession of the tape had been instructed by the McCain campaign not to release it.[27]
[edit]Notes
^ http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-political-coverage/
^ Larry C. Johnson, "About Me," No Quarter (personal blog).
^ "Former CIA Official Larry Johnson Delivers Democratic Radio Address," transcript posted on official Democratic National Committee's website for The Democratic Party, July 23, 2005], accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Interview with Larry Johnson, confirmed by his supervisor
^ "Ex-CIA official Blasts Bush on Leak of Operative's Name: Democrats' Radio Address Focuses on White House Aides' Role," CNN July 23, 2005, accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Gail Russell Chaddock, "Why Terrorists Pick On the French," Christian Science Monitor (5 December 1996) p. 1.
^ Larry Johnson, "Terrorists Among Us," New York Times (20 August 1996) p. A19.
^ Terrorism Today
^ Lee Michael Katz, "The Hunt for Bin Laden," USA Today (21 August 1998) p. 1A.
^ See Transcript of original interview with Larry C. Johnson, as broadcast on Frontline in 1999. Cf. "Interview: Larry C. Johnson," for Hunting bin Laden, transcript of interview broadcast on Frontline subsequently on 13 April 2001. See also dedicated PBS webpages for media links: Iraq and the War on Terror, Frontline PBS, online featured programs, accessed 19 November 2006.
^ frontline: hunting bin laden: interviews: larry c. johnson | PBS
^ a b [1].
^ As posted in [2].
^ Gary Schmitt, [ 07/25/2005 "Meet Larry Johnson: The CIA official Turned Democratic Spokesman Has a Pre-9/11 Mindset," Daily Standard (blog), July 25, 2005, accessed November 20, 2006.
^ *Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," The New York Times 10 July 2001: A19.
^ Timothy Noah, "(Not Exactly a) Whopper of the Week: Larry C. Johnson," Chatterbox: Gossip, speculation, and scuttlebutt about politics (blog), hosted by Slate September 21, 2001, accessed November 20, 2006. Note the full context of this quotation:
It is, to be sure, a little bit cheap (and slightly at odds with the usual parameters of this feature) to criticize someone for making an erroneous prediction, particularly after a tragedy. Chatterbox is especially reluctant to tag Johnson because Johnson's op-ed was argued forcefully, backed up meticulously with factual data, and bravely at odds with conventional wisdom at the time of its publication. Add in that Johnson now makes his living as a consultant to corporations about terrorism, and therefore had everything to gain by exaggerating the dangers terrorism poses, and the guy practically looks like a hero. Chatterbox, who two decades ago was an editor for the New York Times op-ed page, would have published Johnson's piece had he still been an editor there this past July. In his capacity at Slate, Chatterbox might well have written up Johnson's prediction, and perhaps even endorsed it.
But boy, is he glad he didn't! Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong. Sadly, a mistake this embarrassing cannot be ignored. As a fellow skeptic, Chatterbox in all sincerity wishes Johnson better luck next time.
^ Larry C. Johnson, "Johnson vs. President Bush," re-posted and updated by SusanHu at DailyKos (blog) July 25, 2005.
^ FOX News Interview with John Garrett (14 November 2001) Transcript #111405cb.260.
^ [3].
^ a b Larry C. Johnson, "Setting the Record Straight on Iraqi Terrorism," posted in Booman Tribune: A Progressive Community (personal blog) 27 January 2003. accessed 19 November 2006.
^ Qtd. in Toby Harnden, "CIA 'pressure' on al-Qa'eda chief," The London Telegraph 5 March 2003: 16.
^ Qtd. in Nicolas D. Kristof, "Save Our Spooks," The New York Times 30 May 2003:A6.
^ Democracy Now (3 October 2003)[4]
^ U.S. Senate, Democratic Policy Committee Meeting on the CIA Operative Leak, (24 October 2003).
^ Letter to the Senate.[Needs full source citation; see "References" section.]
^ Tumulty, Karen (2008-06-12). "Will Obama's Anti-Rumor Plan Work?", Time Magazine. Retrieved on 20 June 2008.:"a story that apparently first made a big splash on the Internet in late May in a post by pro-Hillary Clinton blogger Larry Johnson"
^ Whitey Tape, API, Phil Berg, and Andy MartinSee Authors Posts (1090) on July 19, 2007 at 3:52 PM in Al Qaeda, Current Affairs, Iraq
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Larry C Johnson
I was interviewed this morning on the Young Turks radio show and predicted that when General David Petraeus submits his progress report in September he will report that the surge is working and that more troops will be required to complete the mission. Keep that in mind.
One of the current talking points the Administration is hyping to convince Americans that the surge is working concerns the reduced violence in Ramadi. CNN and outgoing JCS Chairman Peter Pace are touting the remarkable drop off in violence. What they fail to note is that the United States has stopped kicking in doors in Ramadi and has virtually turned over the security mission to the local tribal chiefs. In fact, this was a solution the tribal chiefs themselves devised and implemented. But, peace in Ramadi does not mean that area is under the control of the government in Baghdad nor responsive to the Shia-led Maliki government.
Now check out these articles:
- 07/19/07 MCT: Raid on U.S. compound in Iraq carried out with brazen precision It was late afternoon six months ago in the government compound in Karbala, Iraq. In a moment of respite from the war, Army Pfc. Johnathon Millican was instant-messaging with his wife back in Anchorage, Alaska, where a snowy day was just beginning.
- 07/19/07 NPR: Iraqi Forces Fail to Show Readiness The U.S. military says it is making progress training Iraqi soldiers and police to handle domestic security. But a recent attack by al-Qaida fighters on an Iraqi police station shows the Iraqis are not yet self-reliant.
- 07/19/07 AP: Audit - Iraqi military base lacks fuel, power A shortage of electricity and fuel at an Iraqi military base has led to deteriorating equipment, difficulties with medical care and spoiled food that sent Iraqi troops to the hospital, a U.S. report says.
If you think this bodes well for the future then Bush has a job for you–turning bullshit into chocolate mousse.


















Thank you so much for speaking truth to power, Larry!
It’s no surprise that Gen. Petraeus will betray us [the troops] and lie to keep his job. That’s why Bush appointed him.
It is no surprise that these people will lie; every word out of *ushits mouth is a lie. From the NIE to the subterfuge of the news talkers this government assiduously adheres to a policy of mis direction and deception designed to control a mentally lazy population. History seems to show that politics and truth rarely coincide.
Will it ever be that honesty and truth prevail amongst our leaders? Will we ever have the government that our forefathers envisioned? Seems not, as long as corporate interests override human ones.
There was a good opinion piece somewhere that used the analogy of a little boy waking up Christmas morning only to find a huge pile of horse manure under the tree instead of presents. Just as the warhawks insist that they can still smell “Victory” in Iraq, the boy starts optimistically shovelling horse manure because, “There’s GOT to be a pony in there somewhere!” The link to the article had the funny title:
“STOP DIGGING, THERE’S NO PONY.”
Since you cannot maintain honor with dishonesty General Petraeus may be a victim no matter what he says.
There is a long line of military men shown the door over this war. They chose to sacrifice their careers rather than lie and it is something to be proud of.
Hopefully General Petraeus places a premium on his dignity too, after-all medals are more than buttons.
Ugly Moe, based on what I have heard about Petraeus, my advice is not to stop breathing waiting for that to happen.
Shirin,
My hope is not so strong as to make me reckless.
- Ugly Moe -
After going through Generals like dirty underwear, maybe Bush has finally found a pair crusty enough to wear.
I have held off saying this for a long time, but Larry, you will probably know a lot more about this than most of us, but is Petraeus really interested in the mission, or is the fact he was willing to catch the hot potato of Iraq proof of his qualities or his ambitions?
Here’s my point… if Tommy Franks and the rest of the retreating Conga line of military leaders wouldn’t touch that hot potato, would Petraeus have ever even been considered for thejob?
I think there is ample evidence that this new and vaunted Bush General was much more ambitious than patriotic when he was offered the job.
Seems to me, all the real patriots have already told Bush his war is a mistake. And I respect them for that, even if it was much too belated in most cases.
But Petraeus is like a new manager in a failing factory, who is more than anything else, glad to be a manager, even if the plant is about to collapse under its own weight.
Petraues would never have been positioned to pimp death and destruction for Bush, if a lot of more honorable (or more pragmatic) Generals hadn’t “cut and run” when their “Easy war” turned sour.
So, just how many Generals does it take to run a war?
In the Bush administration, it takes about 50. 49 to resign because they know it is a lost cause, and one to stay on because he wants to vbe “the man.”
a little clarification;
Here’s my point… if Tommy Franks or the any of the rest of the retreating Conga line of military leaders who won’t touch that hot potato, had believed in the cause and remained inplace, would Petraeus have ever even been considered for the job?
Jis’ like that little kid with the runny nose, littl’ Bushie kept pickin’ ’til he found one he liked . . .
I heard a story on NPR (?) the other day that the General is ALREADY asking for more troops for the surge to work.
The more things change…
the standard idiom is “Don’t hold your (fuukin) breath!”
one last clarification… what I am getting at here is that, if Petraeus was the honest eagle scout he is portrayed as, from the outset he would have joined his own voice to those who went before him, telling Bush and Cheney their war is just a disastrous mess, not a “war” at all.
But, then, those $10 billion monthly installments would have dried up… and the Bush profiteers wouldn’t have made that extra hundred million for the month.
Petraeus is not going to come back and say we are failing nor is he going to say we should we pull out. He owes his 4th Star to Bush and the time for payback is near. No four banger is beyond politics anymore.
Besides anyone who believes that we will totally pull out is barking up the wrong tree. We have to much invested in that country to totally pull out.
Your hearing the spin now, logistics/support, counterterrorism, regional security force… Thats more the picture…
Yesterday I was chatting with a prominent Iraqi journalist I know. I had just read an article of hers about one of Bush’s recent speeches, and wanted to let her know how much I liked it. When I told her I thought she had been too kind to Petraeus, though, she started to extol his virtues, to remind me of all the “wonderful” things he had done in my “home town” (Mosul), that he was a good friend of hers, etc.
He must be a hell of a good bullshitter.
Of course there will be less violence, it’s summer. There’s always less violence in summer. Look here.
Pee on the Tree of US, is nothing more than a pimp…
As noted above, he is just the last in a line of pimps that georgieboy and his minions command. The rel patriots, have long since taken their leave, and some are brave enough to speak truth to power. Their service will not be forgotten in the annals of history, as will not the traitorous acts of the scoundrels who accomplished this coup.
My anger is beyond measure. I could expound for days on end without ever listing or describing the attrocities to human kind that have been done to the people of this Nation, and to indeed the World. I feel the time coming… Their crimes are soon to be visable for even the blind to see, and the deaf to hear. They will be punished for thier sins… Let all that feel the Spirit say, Amen… God does NOT like UGLY, and those that do sin in God’s name will be punished all the more severly. I have LOTS of anger within me… Righteous anger… and only God’s wrath will abate it. We are still crossing the desert, but the time is nearing an end. PEACE to all.
amen, M. Amen!
Petraeus will not lose his job regardless of the report he delivers. He will still be a general, folks. For life. And that you can so easily trash a four star general who has dedicated his life to serving and protecting really demonstrates how you support the fuukin troops.
This is what you have wrought, Larry. Too fuukin bad you have joined your fellow democrats in spreading BDS where it has spread to the very military you claim to support.
Truth to power. What a horribly stupid phrase. Larry wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him on the ass.
If you want to know how Larry speaks truth to power, google his appearances in front of committees. Maybe he can explain how he tells you guys one thing but when power is in front of him, he wobbles.
Speaking of Petraeus, I just found this on http://www.theleftcoaster.com/.
Petraeus Loses His Shine
Many people are pointing to Andrew Sullivan’s comments noting that General Petraeus has severely damaged his ability to be seen as a credible impartial voice on Iraq.
If I were eager to maintain a semblance of military independence from the agenda of extremist, Republican partisans, I wouldn’t go on the Hugh Hewitt show, would you? . . . I think such a decision to cater to one party’s propaganda outlet renders Petraeus’ military independence moot. . . .
But Petraeus is either willing to be used by the Republican propaganda machine or he is part of the Republican propaganda machine. I’m beginning to suspect the latter. The only thing worse than a deeply politicized and partisan war is a deeply politicized and partisan commander. But we now know whose side Petraeus seems to be on: Cheney’s. Expect spin, not truth, in September.
Is this really surprising? After all, this is the same General Petraeus that helped Judith Miller when she was touring Iraq for WMD.
Check out the rest of the post, which also links to the articles referred to, at http://www.theleftcoaster.com/
Cute. The man wrote the book on counter-terrorism and yet you believe this piece of shit called Larry C. Johnson.
Sue,
“Cute. The man wrote the book on counter-terrorism and yet you believe this piece of shit called Larry C. Johnson. ”
Try the Generals staff wrote the book….not the General himself. Get your facts straight. Besides and again I ask how do you fight a counter-insurgency with about 17K trigger pullers on a real crappy rotation cycle? How do you secure an objective and forget to tell the enemy you have secured that objective? Ask the General those questions?
By the way, how much military or counterterrorism experience do you have to be calling anyone a piece of shit?
Learn to close your tags, Shirin.
Trying again to close Shirin’s tags.
Can’t do it. The administrator will have to do the job that Americans won’t do.
Uh. Oh. Plame’s civil case was dismissed. Now whatcha gonna do? ::grin::
You talk about who is and isn’t patriotic, yet you’re ecstatic that CIA agent in charge of tracking WMD has been outed, along with the CIA’s entire operation, putting who knows how many other lives at risk during the war on terror. You really are a TWIT.
By the way, the Wilsons were expecting the decision. Their case was dismissed on jurisdictional grounds, not on its merits. The Wilsons plan to appeal to a higher court.
Yeah. I’m ecstatic. I’m more concerned about the actual leaks of national security secrets, the ones you people don’t seem to care about.
BTW, I’m glad they were expecting it. You would think they would have known to file it in the proper court to begin with.
Can it be that we are at what might be yet another turning point in this war? The good news coming out of Iraq is a far cry from what we were hearing as recently as a month ago. The embarrassing defeat of Harry Reid and the rest of the surrender crowd in the Senate all-nighter showed that there remains a lot of fight left in those lawmakers who are unwilling to admit defeat in Iraq. I have noticed that even the MSM is beginning to report in a more positive manner.
I remember all too well the many “light-at-the-end-of the-tunnel” proclamations that came out during the Vietnam War, all of which were quickly drowned out in the sea of public opinion. Yet I cannot help being more optimistic about this war today than I was as recently as a week ago. Thanks largely to the efforts of the blogosphere and conservative talk-radio to bring the news as to what is actually taking place in Iraq, combined with Reid’s abysmal dog-and-pony show, it would not surprise me to see a turnaround in public opinion regarding the war. I feel more confident today that the American people will give Gen. Petraeus and “the Surge” at least until September to assess whether the offensive is working. I will even go a step further and predict that the September report will provide enough positive results and hope for eventual success that the Reid’s, Durbin’s, and Hagel’s in Congress will crawl back into the little holes in the wall from which they emerged.
JACK . . . WHAT???? I can’t believe you actually post that crap . . . “another turning point”?? shit, we been spun so many times into the ground that I’m beginning to smell Chinese food! And now there are tales today, that our anticipated “September Report” may be delayed until November or DECEMBER . . . kept dodgin’ ’til the grown ups take over . . . Reid showed that the Republic Party favors “stay the sinking course” and fails to support the troops (speaking of which, those of us that did or are serving should be enlightened that “the White House” opposed pay increases of 3.5%, medical payment reform and 15 month home rotation for combat service - guess if they stay home too long their families might get attached to them . . . check at military.com - HARDLY a Lefto Hotbed - to see how THAT plays) But, WTF, being’s we’ve never met . . . you might say “I don’t know Jack” . . . BIKFDI . . .
Reply to Jack…”The surge”….
I just don’t get it? Is death and distruction without a plan and or cause really worth all this political rightwing crap? Remember Jack, the reasons for going to war was a lie. Is supporting a lie because one is Republican or Democrat worth the lives of American soldiers? Is going to war with out cause really worth any American lives? Conservatives? No Jack. No true conservative goes to war because of a ideology. Only the insane do this.
General Petraeus is in a tough spot and I pray and hope he remembers that he is wearing the same uniform that all those who have given their lives in support of this war of choice.
“I remember all too well the many “light-at-the-end-of the-tunnel” proclamations that came out during the Vietnam War, all of which were quickly drowned out in the sea of public opinion.”
I remember it to… I was there…. Where were you?
Sorry about the italics, folks. I deleted part of what I had cut and pasted after applying the italics, and posted before remembering to replace the close italics tag. I think we need an admin to reset.
In the mean time, after reading about Judith Miller’s “friendship” with Petraeus, and thinking about my Iraqi journalist friend’s declaration of “friendship” with him, I am thinking how “convenient” it WOULD be for him to have so many “friends” in the news media if he is, as many of us suspect, part of the propaganda machine.
Petraeus is getting ready to go down in history as just another prevaricating political stooge.
The more I hear him talk the more I see Rove’s hand up his ass.
God save the US troops that have put their faith in him.
-GSD
FYI, I don’t typically go back and re-read posts I’ve already read. If you reply to me by using the reply button, I will probably not see it.
Oh well, our loss.
Oh Oh. The same clowns that invoke Bill Clinton every two minutes have invented “Bush Derangement Syndrome” to stop all debate. See, the “Bush Haters” can’t think rationally so all of their arguements are nulll and void. Now let’s watch the ABC mockumentary that blames all of 9/11 on evil Bill Clinton!
Funny stuff.
Also the same clowns that are incensed at criticism of General Petraeus are the same clowns that ridiculed General Wesley Clark and numerous other Generals as “Clinton Generals”.
It’s OK if you are a Bush supporter.
-GSD
I’ll be the one banned, not you. I have no way of ’stopping the debate’.
Pssst…another FYI, I voted for Clinton (in 1996) and was mad as hell they harassed him with lawsuits that could have and should have been delayed until he left office. Not that that matters in the grand scheme of things, but just for perspective that your argument doesn’t work with me.
Hmmm, is self-absorption a typical trait among wing-nuts?
Sorry Sue, you are right. George W. Bush is right too. So is General Petraeus, until George W. Bush decides that Petraeus has failed him.
-GSD
LINK
If I posted something so transparent, I’d be laughed out of here.
Don’t patronize me. If you think Petraeus should be trashed at this blog, then by all means, step up to the plate and take your best shot. At the end of the day, Petraeus will still be referred to as General Petraeus, just as Clark is still General Clark.
Interesting turn of the worm, 3 Sunni groups form alliance, reject Al Q.. Vow to continue fighting all foreign occupiers:
http://agonist.org/cernig/20070719/sunni_insugency_plans_political_front
1Watt, rejection of Al Qa`eda and its knock-off in Iraq are nothing new. They have never been popular with anybody in Iraq. In fact, you could say they are about as popular in Iraq as the Americans are. The fact that they don’t go around kocking down doors at 3 AM might give them a slight edge, but…
ANY LEGAL TYPES AROUND???
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html
What is the difference between blocking and attachment?
It seems so vaguely worded it could be used against anybody.
I HAVE THE TOOLS, quoth he.
I take it back.
Overreacted.
The ACLU is investigating this. See what TPM Muckraker has to say about it.
Its good to hear the Defeat America crowd is alive and well… I know most of you would be gutted and deeply depressed if the US Army reported that it was making progress in Iraq. Hell, God forbid if our soldiers should actually win this one… What will you losers do? pathetic…
Dan,
Speaking for myself, if I wanted America to lose I would have voted for George W. Bush.
- Ugly Moe -
Ugly Moe,
Just in case you think I mean you, Dan is the IDIOT, not you.
Hey Idiot,
A lot of people here have either fought in Iraq or have family and friends fighting in Iraq.
If you support this war so much, why don’t you volunteer to go fight in it?
It doesn’t matter to you, obviously, whether there really is progress in Iraq, you want to believe there is.
If it was true, we would be joyous. But it isn’t, Unfortunately, people like you let your wishful scenarios completely outweigh the clear realities. You so desperately want to replace reality with your delusions, are killing our sons and daughters. And you are too blind and proud to see it or admit it.
Don’t turn your hatred into bitterness, pal, you are blaming your fellow Americans for what your lousy leaders did. You are just one of the late-comers, most everyone else already knows the Iraq war was a mistake.
As for believeing America has lost this stupid war, that is so ludicrous, there is no one to lose to, and there is NOTHING MORE TO LOSE, except 80% of their oil.
If you think I made that up, you are not only bitter, you are terribly uninformed.
Tours of troops extended in Iraq
did you all know that we have lost 49 troops so far this month? I sure didn’t till I looked it up. The MSM sure as hell is not letting us know that we are loosing ppl.
I tried to do a link on this from icasualties but it did not show up…;o(
http://icasualties.org/oif/
On ABC’s “This Week With George Stepanopoulis they give the names of dead soldiers released by the Pentagon that week. At the beginning of the segment they show the list of names before they zero in and start reading them. Sometimes it’s a shock. You really have to think hard and tax your memory to remember when there wasn’t this drip-drip-drip of military casualties coming home. No one told us that this futile bloodletting was what they meant by, “Post-9/11 America.”
Bush’s legacy reminds me of a movie, “Mussolini, The Last Three Days.” Mussolini pulled a Bush on the Italian people, only on a much larger scale. After he was executed by Partisans while trying to escape to Germany at the end of the war, the radio reported succinctly: “Mussolini was executed after a brief, but fair trial.”
This Week With George Stepanopoulis….I try to watch this too. It begs to make me stunned at times. I try hard not to but it just breaks my heart.
brenda, yes this is being kept from the sheeple. I have been trying to link and post, but lose am having difficulty. have sent 2 links to Susan on bombing in N Iraq by Turkey, and extension of troop deployment for those in Anbar, where my son recently returned… here tell there is lots of other tropps moving as well. hopefully it will be home. Yesterday is not too soon for me… hope you are well.
M, I am well. Had a bout of not beeing well but am back at being human again…:o).
My prayers are with your son. Hugs to you both.
We here in the US should be so lucky when they eventually get around to getting these war criminals on trial… preferably in the Hague after a brief trial….
What a surprise, Larry, we won’t know how the surge is going until…wait for it…November.
KEEEEY Wrap!!!! Our Jack and Sue will be disappointed - they were both walking around hard as Chinese Algebra (TX Robin) just waitn’ for September when all us cut’n'run French fry eating surrender monkey illegal alien lovin’ Unionized sub humans of uncertified ethnic racial origin would KNOW that we is winnin’ . . . and they is RIGHT
Damn, gonna miss that Whine and Fromage Party we planned . . . but hell, we can cheer up and get a Christmas Present Drive for the new orphans and widows . . . .
Whoops, did I say we won’t know how the surge is going until November? Silly me, I meant summer 2008.
Warning of Police State:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Oldline_Republican_warns_somethings_in_works_0719.html
If allowed to occur, that particular something in the works (crossing the last bend in the Rubicon), will get George Bush out of the White House. I don’t think he grasps that he is a high-maintenance t/fool, who, once he is no longer necessary, will be retired to resume his former career as bag man.
ALL RIGHT !!!! WHO DIDN’T DO IT??? Who forgot to close their italics?
Test.
the whole goddamn thread is in italics.
Where is the glitch????
this stuff looks ok in preview mode.
It’s my fault, rjj. I forgot to close a tag, and it seems only ad admin can reset it. I have tried, but no luck.
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