Comments on: A VERY THIN LINE

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By: Barb O'Kelly

Barb O'Kelly — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:45:02 +0000

Jim, there are hundreds of time that Rogers has been an embarrassment to us 8th District residents (and others in Michigan). You’ve got a good support base to start with–when can we start contributing to your 2008 campaign?

By: taters

taters — Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:24:53 +0000

Thanks for getting us back on topic, JD. Yeah, Rogers is a real piece of work. I have a feeling this will be his last time around. Well said.

By: JHD

JHD — Sun, 22 Jul 2007 03:55:42 +0000

Rogers has been a disgrace for years, from the porn-star caterpillar on his upper lip to his craven dishonesty on the war.

Remember when this former FBI agent claimed to have found porn on a library computer and *did not know what to do*?

The man is disgusting.

By: taters

taters — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:35:34 +0000

Montag,
Since The Song of Roland didn’t make it to “print” until almost 1100 AD, we had three hundred years of an oral tradition prior to Roland being written. Which happened to coincide with the first/second crusade.
In Chanson de Roland, Turpin the archbishop is fighting with a papal decree if I recall correctly, this historically came much later than Roncesvalles. {Also during Pope Urban II’s tenure- which allowed those of the clergy in combat as long a blade wasn’t used. A mace fine…)
I think we do the medieval/pre medieval bardic tradtion a disservice by comparing it to Ann Coulter. They were certainly more enlightened. But I hear ya man, fortunately I was able to assess who the “pagans” were in Roland at an early age.In the Italian version, Durendal belonged to Hector. Since Roman lore traced their ancestry to Aeneas, this is logical.
However, Michael Crichton’s false assertion that the Franks were all six footers is blatantly false. Despite Charlemagne’s stature (please see the latin roots of magne, Dr. Crichton) being well above the norm, he conveniently forgets about the lack of height of Pepin. And this “learned” doctor has the benefit 1200 years of hindsight. I’ll take the bards and jongleurs anyday over him. His “work” on climate change is every bit as skewed,and unlike the purveyors of sagas, legends or epics, he’s just a dishonest SOB….

I’m sure there are legends in Muslim lore with their equivalent of El Cid or Roland..nice chattin’ with ya.

By: Montag

Montag — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:44:04 +0000

taters,
Yeah, well a lot of people assume that since most of Spain was Muslim at the time then it was the dastardly MUSLIMS who killed Roland and Oliver–when it was the Christian Basques who just didn’t like armies marching through their territory to get at the Muslims without a by-your-leave. There are Ann Coulters in every age I guess.

By: taters

taters — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:31:37 +0000

Montag,
A slighly different version of Le Chanson de Roland than I read. I like yours.
What remains of Durendal is reputed to be here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rocam_durandal_082005.jpg

Montjoie!

By: Fred C. Dobbs

Fred C. Dobbs — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:45:25 +0000

Montag:

“…reminds me of the Battle of Roncesvalles.”

Nice to have the literate among us.

By: Brenda Stewart

Brenda Stewart — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:43:54 +0000

I saw him on c-span this am and I most certainly have to agree with you on that one!!!!!!!

By: Montag

Montag — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:04:38 +0000

verc,
Most people on this site constantly ask the same question about the Main Stream Media. Nothing written on this site has ever gotten anyone killed, or ruined the career of a government agent, or justified a perversion of justice. Once you’ve admitted that however, it’s Liberty Hall–criticize away!

Rogers calling for a “policy change” in Pakistan, now that the whole Musharraf house of cards is about to undergo some urban renewal, reminds me of the Battle of Roncesvalles in 778 AD. Charlemagne’s army had retreated through the Pyrenees from Spain when the Christian Basques massacred the rear guard at the Pass of Roncesvalles. The legend is that the two Frankish paladins Roland and Oliver were fighting back-to-back against the proverbial horde of enemies when Oliver chided Roland for fighting with the stump of his broken lance instead of drawing his sword. Roland replied, while fighting furiously, “Are you nuts? I’m saving my sword for when things get REALLY desperate!”