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	<title>Comments on: I Spent a Week in Iraq and Now I&#8217;m an Expert</title>
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		<title>By: W.A.DeFord</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/07/31/i-spent-a-week-in-iraq-and-now-im-an-expert/#comment-18739</link>
		<dc:creator>W.A.DeFord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can guarantee anyone that has read Fred C.Dobbs comment,that he  has been in a serious combat situation.   I&#039;ll bet he was there as a Marine as well. I&#039;d like to see all of the members of the three branches of the federal government,all of the lobbyist,and corporate  profiteers acquiring first hand knowledge of what Mr.Dobbs described.  Maybe the bastards could replace the troops that are now serving. And I don&#039;t want to forget all of the &quot;reMFs&quot; and &quot;pogues&quot; that boast to anyone that will listen &quot;I&#039;d be glad to go over there if they&#039;d let me.&quot;  Yes Sir Dickey Chapelle was a very special lady</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can guarantee anyone that has read Fred C.Dobbs comment,that he  has been in a serious combat situation.   I&#8217;ll bet he was there as a Marine as well. I&#8217;d like to see all of the members of the three branches of the federal government,all of the lobbyist,and corporate  profiteers acquiring first hand knowledge of what Mr.Dobbs described.  Maybe the bastards could replace the troops that are now serving. And I don&#8217;t want to forget all of the &#8220;reMFs&#8221; and &#8220;pogues&#8221; that boast to anyone that will listen &#8220;I&#8217;d be glad to go over there if they&#8217;d let me.&#8221;  Yes Sir Dickey Chapelle was a very special lady</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/07/31/i-spent-a-week-in-iraq-and-now-im-an-expert/#comment-18618</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shirin, again,

How do you solve problems if denial is your assessment?

&quot;majority, merely trying to survive&quot; is another version of &quot;Kill or be killed.&quot; No henchmen, no problem. I understand the situation with the infrastucture can hamper basic supplies and/or fuel opportunism.

What would I do if I lived in Iraq? I wouldn&#039;t live there is the answer. If Australia turned into a sesspool of hatred, I wouldn&#039;t live here. If the World became so enraged with itself it could only find solace in hatred and violence, I wouldn&#039;t live. 

Iraq is a big place. Though I don&#039;t intend to go and find out, I would be surprise if there was nowhere within its borders offering temporary sanctorary for the sane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shirin, again,</p>
<p>How do you solve problems if denial is your assessment?</p>
<p>&#8220;majority, merely trying to survive&#8221; is another version of &#8220;Kill or be killed.&#8221; No henchmen, no problem. I understand the situation with the infrastucture can hamper basic supplies and/or fuel opportunism.</p>
<p>What would I do if I lived in Iraq? I wouldn&#8217;t live there is the answer. If Australia turned into a sesspool of hatred, I wouldn&#8217;t live here. If the World became so enraged with itself it could only find solace in hatred and violence, I wouldn&#8217;t live. </p>
<p>Iraq is a big place. Though I don&#8217;t intend to go and find out, I would be surprise if there was nowhere within its borders offering temporary sanctorary for the sane.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/07/31/i-spent-a-week-in-iraq-and-now-im-an-expert/#comment-18617</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinker, Iraqis are, by the overwhelming majority, merely trying to survive. If you call that misbehaving, then perhaps you have never been in the kind of situations they have endured since 1991. For your sake, I hope you never have to endure even a fraction of one per cent of what Iraqis have endured at the hands of the criminals George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and now George W. (I set aside Saddam, because as bad as he was, he was a minor actor in Iraq&#039;s tragedy compared to the other three).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinker, Iraqis are, by the overwhelming majority, merely trying to survive. If you call that misbehaving, then perhaps you have never been in the kind of situations they have endured since 1991. For your sake, I hope you never have to endure even a fraction of one per cent of what Iraqis have endured at the hands of the criminals George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and now George W. (I set aside Saddam, because as bad as he was, he was a minor actor in Iraq&#8217;s tragedy compared to the other three).</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/07/31/i-spent-a-week-in-iraq-and-now-im-an-expert/#comment-18611</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shirin, the cesspool of abuse is the internal machination of today&#039;s Iraq.

The allied powers opened the door and now Iraqis misbehave. Who should God congratulate, the murdering Sunni, or the murdering Shia?

Is it ok to hold a fellow human being in contempt because what they assert they believe doesn&#039;t make you &lt;em&gt;feel comfortable&lt;/em&gt;.

I am waiting for the famous retort &lt;strong&gt;&quot;kill or be killed.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; But, wait, who would be rewarded by the creator of man? The killer of the creation, or the martyr who lays their life down on principle? &lt;strong&gt;Those who chose arms as the solution in attack or defense are jointly culpable, under that philosophy.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shirin, the cesspool of abuse is the internal machination of today&#8217;s Iraq.</p>
<p>The allied powers opened the door and now Iraqis misbehave. Who should God congratulate, the murdering Sunni, or the murdering Shia?</p>
<p>Is it ok to hold a fellow human being in contempt because what they assert they believe doesn&#8217;t make you <em>feel comfortable</em>.</p>
<p>I am waiting for the famous retort <strong>&#8220;kill or be killed.&#8221;</strong> But, wait, who would be rewarded by the creator of man? The killer of the creation, or the martyr who lays their life down on principle? <strong>Those who chose arms as the solution in attack or defense are jointly culpable, under that philosophy.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: RS Janes</title>
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		<dc:creator>RS Janes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demonstrating yet another similarity to the Vietnam War -- where disgusted grunts would have to line up in the hot sun to salute the latest lying dignitary in from Washington and, should a frown pass over the Happy Face of the Enlisted Rating, there would be hell to pay -- we have our guys in Iraq forced to provide grist for the propaganda mill of the Republican warmongers. (As has been mentioned, anyone who might ask unsettling questions was sent to walk point on a mission to find snipers, and leave your body armor here.) 

The &#039;media victory tours&#039; didn&#039;t work then, and I doubt that they will work for long now. As we have seen throughout this Bush catastrophe, reality will eventually intrude -- perhaps a cheerleading Michelle Malkin type will get caught in a Baghdad ambush or a Liebermanesque senatorial nitwit will be hit by a mortar round in the Green Zone and then the game&#039;s up. &lt;em&gt;&quot;Yes. I may have lost my legs, but the surge is working.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

BTW, Bush-backer Section 9 -- isn&#039;t that one degree crazier than a Section 8? How would you like to take a tour of Baghdad courtesy of Uncle Sam -- the enlistment offices are open and empty -- or, perhaps, you&#039;re not really that crazy after all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demonstrating yet another similarity to the Vietnam War &#8212; where disgusted grunts would have to line up in the hot sun to salute the latest lying dignitary in from Washington and, should a frown pass over the Happy Face of the Enlisted Rating, there would be hell to pay &#8212; we have our guys in Iraq forced to provide grist for the propaganda mill of the Republican warmongers. (As has been mentioned, anyone who might ask unsettling questions was sent to walk point on a mission to find snipers, and leave your body armor here.) </p>
<p>The &#8216;media victory tours&#8217; didn&#8217;t work then, and I doubt that they will work for long now. As we have seen throughout this Bush catastrophe, reality will eventually intrude &#8212; perhaps a cheerleading Michelle Malkin type will get caught in a Baghdad ambush or a Liebermanesque senatorial nitwit will be hit by a mortar round in the Green Zone and then the game&#8217;s up. <em>&#8220;Yes. I may have lost my legs, but the surge is working.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>BTW, Bush-backer Section 9 &#8212; isn&#8217;t that one degree crazier than a Section 8? How would you like to take a tour of Baghdad courtesy of Uncle Sam &#8212; the enlistment offices are open and empty &#8212; or, perhaps, you&#8217;re not really that crazy after all?</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/07/31/i-spent-a-week-in-iraq-and-now-im-an-expert/#comment-18350</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinker,

I did not make my point clear. It has nothing to do with patriotism, which frankly I do not indulge in. It is a matter of neither pride or shame, it is a matter of historical fact that if you want to invade and take over an Arab country, Iraq is the worst choice you can make.   Just about any Arab will tell you that, the British learned it the hard way, and now the Americans are learning it the hard way. 

And forgive me for correcting you, but Iraq is not just a &quot;cesspool of abuse&quot;, whatever that is intended to mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinker,</p>
<p>I did not make my point clear. It has nothing to do with patriotism, which frankly I do not indulge in. It is a matter of neither pride or shame, it is a matter of historical fact that if you want to invade and take over an Arab country, Iraq is the worst choice you can make.   Just about any Arab will tell you that, the British learned it the hard way, and now the Americans are learning it the hard way. </p>
<p>And forgive me for correcting you, but Iraq is not just a &#8220;cesspool of abuse&#8221;, whatever that is intended to mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/07/31/i-spent-a-week-in-iraq-and-now-im-an-expert/#comment-18347</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your patriotism is creeping up on you Shirin. Iraq is a sesspool of abuse. Nothing more. Nothing less. That isn&#039;t something to be proud of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your patriotism is creeping up on you Shirin. Iraq is a sesspool of abuse. Nothing more. Nothing less. That isn&#8217;t something to be proud of.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/07/31/i-spent-a-week-in-iraq-and-now-im-an-expert/#comment-18345</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well spotted Mr M. You are on the ball as usual. Thanks for the update!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well spotted Mr M. You are on the ball as usual. Thanks for the update!</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/07/31/i-spent-a-week-in-iraq-and-now-im-an-expert/#comment-18289</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as far as the &#039;reserve&#039; jag sen. graham.  as he was outstretched with his arms for the bush iraq stone tablets, graham lost his footing and  is now a knot-on-a-log as far as brain functions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as far as the &#8216;reserve&#8217; jag sen. graham.  as he was outstretched with his arms for the bush iraq stone tablets, graham lost his footing and  is now a knot-on-a-log as far as brain functions.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/07/31/i-spent-a-week-in-iraq-and-now-im-an-expert/#comment-18288</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one of the biggest instigators of &#039;continuing&#039; the failed iraq policy is the chickenhawk sen. lieberman.

my question, is lieberman the dog or the pony of the dog-n-pony show?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one of the biggest instigators of &#8216;continuing&#8217; the failed iraq policy is the chickenhawk sen. lieberman.</p>
<p>my question, is lieberman the dog or the pony of the dog-n-pony show?</p>
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		<title>By: wethornet</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/07/31/i-spent-a-week-in-iraq-and-now-im-an-expert/#comment-18280</link>
		<dc:creator>wethornet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>minor clarification.  shirin and lessons learned is re rieckhoff&#039;s lte to the nytimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>minor clarification.  shirin and lessons learned is re rieckhoff&#8217;s lte to the nytimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/07/31/i-spent-a-week-in-iraq-and-now-im-an-expert/#comment-18277</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;lessons can still be learned&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Yeah, well, the lessons &quot;learned&quot; won&#039;t be the key ones, I am afraid.

Lesson 1: Don&#039;t indulge in pure, unprovoked acts of aggression.

Lesson 2: If you insist upon indulging in pure, unprovoked acts of aggression, don&#039;t f*** with Iraq. Everyone knows that Iraqis are the last people you want to try to f*** with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>lessons can still be learned</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, well, the lessons &#8220;learned&#8221; won&#8217;t be the key ones, I am afraid.</p>
<p>Lesson 1: Don&#8217;t indulge in pure, unprovoked acts of aggression.</p>
<p>Lesson 2: If you insist upon indulging in pure, unprovoked acts of aggression, don&#8217;t f*** with Iraq. Everyone knows that Iraqis are the last people you want to try to f*** with.</p>
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		<title>By: wethornet</title>
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		<dc:creator>wethornet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cont&#039;d.

5.  the kagan behind the surge.  the aei puke. (there&#039;s 3 of them.  dad&#039;s a history teacheer at yale, and 2 sons.  anyway, the aei puke is a) yale, and b) wait for it.......skull &amp; bones like w.

supposedly, w was thinking the iraq war could not be won and the kagan puke says it can be.  w. grabs the life preserver and goes w it.

6.  btw, great catch on the o&#039;hanlon and petraeus at princeton together.  w&#039;s david grew up a few miles from west point.  married the supe&#039;s daughter.

7.  petraeus also had a parachute accident. about 60 feet off the ground &quot;lost his air.&quot;  fall.  splat.  puts self back together.  put it&#039;s a great metaphor for iraq.  because when i jumped out of perfectly good airplanes if you recognized that you had a major malfunction and took too long to take corrective action and then &quot;pulled the ripcord&quot; you would still die.  all mil. hist. from the loser&#039;s point of view is summed up in 4 words:  too little.  too late.

8.  i expect to be in chicago at the vvaw conference.  maybe i&#039;ll see ya there.  or, we&#039;ll meet down the road.

keep hitting &#039;em slugger.  (your radio address countering w. still brings a big smile to my face.  great job.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cont&#8217;d.</p>
<p>5.  the kagan behind the surge.  the aei puke. (there&#8217;s 3 of them.  dad&#8217;s a history teacheer at yale, and 2 sons.  anyway, the aei puke is a) yale, and b) wait for it&#8230;&#8230;.skull &amp; bones like w.</p>
<p>supposedly, w was thinking the iraq war could not be won and the kagan puke says it can be.  w. grabs the life preserver and goes w it.</p>
<p>6.  btw, great catch on the o&#8217;hanlon and petraeus at princeton together.  w&#8217;s david grew up a few miles from west point.  married the supe&#8217;s daughter.</p>
<p>7.  petraeus also had a parachute accident. about 60 feet off the ground &#8220;lost his air.&#8221;  fall.  splat.  puts self back together.  put it&#8217;s a great metaphor for iraq.  because when i jumped out of perfectly good airplanes if you recognized that you had a major malfunction and took too long to take corrective action and then &#8220;pulled the ripcord&#8221; you would still die.  all mil. hist. from the loser&#8217;s point of view is summed up in 4 words:  too little.  too late.</p>
<p>8.  i expect to be in chicago at the vvaw conference.  maybe i&#8217;ll see ya there.  or, we&#8217;ll meet down the road.</p>
<p>keep hitting &#8216;em slugger.  (your radio address countering w. still brings a big smile to my face.  great job.)</p>
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		<title>By: wethornet</title>
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		<dc:creator>wethornet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cont&#039;d.

4.  saw somewhere (sorry no link) that gen. keane, key proponent of the surge, was the guy that shot petraeus on a live fire/or range at ft. campbell.  IF TRUE, this is wild because how do get an accidental discharge and nearly kill a battalion cdr. w/o consequences, ie, keane stays on duty and becomes, iirc, vice chief of staff of the army.

also, little historical factoid for you.  they airevac ltc petraeus to the nashville tramua center hospital.  surgeon who worked on him?  bill frist.  later to become sen. maj. ldr.

also, for me this is wild because a key surge proponent sending petraeus to the quagmire in iraq is the same guy that almost literally killed him.  the irony/symbolism (something?) is too rich for words.

cont&#039;d.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cont&#8217;d.</p>
<p>4.  saw somewhere (sorry no link) that gen. keane, key proponent of the surge, was the guy that shot petraeus on a live fire/or range at ft. campbell.  IF TRUE, this is wild because how do get an accidental discharge and nearly kill a battalion cdr. w/o consequences, ie, keane stays on duty and becomes, iirc, vice chief of staff of the army.</p>
<p>also, little historical factoid for you.  they airevac ltc petraeus to the nashville tramua center hospital.  surgeon who worked on him?  bill frist.  later to become sen. maj. ldr.</p>
<p>also, for me this is wild because a key surge proponent sending petraeus to the quagmire in iraq is the same guy that almost literally killed him.  the irony/symbolism (something?) is too rich for words.</p>
<p>cont&#8217;d.</p>
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		<title>By: wethornet</title>
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		<dc:creator>wethornet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>angry r,  from one el-tee to another el-tee,

various thoughts:

1.  believe you will be in chicago at dailykos confab.  do you know that vvaw, vietnam veterans against the war is also having their yearly convention/meeting this weekend in chicago.  go to www.vvaw.org for more info.

it would be great for you, imho, to meet some of these folks.  ask for barry romo, head organizer and dave cline.  two legends.  tell &#039;em an airborne ranger in st. louis co. mizzourah sent you.

2.  re col. ted westhusing and petraeus.  any plans by y&#039;all to get this into the hands of the senate &amp; house armed services cmtees. for upcoming petraeus testimony before cong. this sept?

3.  point about the surge.  the brits started this war w like 45,000 troops.  they are now down to like 5,500 troops.  how many u.s. troops are in the recent surge?  point of story: there&#039;s your whole god dang surge knuckleheads.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>angry r,  from one el-tee to another el-tee,</p>
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<p>1.  believe you will be in chicago at dailykos confab.  do you know that vvaw, vietnam veterans against the war is also having their yearly convention/meeting this weekend in chicago.  go to <a href="http://www.vvaw.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.vvaw.org</a> for more info.</p>
<p>it would be great for you, imho, to meet some of these folks.  ask for barry romo, head organizer and dave cline.  two legends.  tell &#8216;em an airborne ranger in st. louis co. mizzourah sent you.</p>
<p>2.  re col. ted westhusing and petraeus.  any plans by y&#8217;all to get this into the hands of the senate &amp; house armed services cmtees. for upcoming petraeus testimony before cong. this sept?</p>
<p>3.  point about the surge.  the brits started this war w like 45,000 troops.  they are now down to like 5,500 troops.  how many u.s. troops are in the recent surge?  point of story: there&#8217;s your whole god dang surge knuckleheads.</p>
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