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		<title>By: RT Firefly</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-20412</link>
		<dc:creator>RT Firefly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dee, here's what Justice Robert Jackson had to say at the Nuremburg trials: 
“We must never forget that the record on which we judge these defendants today is the record on which history will judge us tomorrow. To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our lips as well.” 
One can hpoe, can't one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dee, here&#8217;s what Justice Robert Jackson had to say at the Nuremburg trials:<br />
“We must never forget that the record on which we judge these defendants today is the record on which history will judge us tomorrow. To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our lips as well.”<br />
One can hpoe, can&#8217;t one?</p>
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		<title>By: Arden</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-20301</link>
		<dc:creator>Arden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've seen Judgement several times and recently.  I read Asimow's point as we are already pretty far down the slippery slope.  It takes an understanding of social (mass) psychology to fathom our failures to adhere to our Constitutional principles.  GWB and his crime syndicate have plenty of enablers, the unfinformed quiescent folk of ordinary life.  WE, who are the consumers of the ever expanding corporate media.  Clueless we are, loyal to our benefactors first and averse to any perceived threat to our personal security.  We click right into the breech when the spector of collective threat is raised.  It's oh so natural!  Sadly, the world is leaving America behind in the forward struggle to fashion civil societies that will withstand the pressures of population and technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen Judgement several times and recently.  I read Asimow&#8217;s point as we are already pretty far down the slippery slope.  It takes an understanding of social (mass) psychology to fathom our failures to adhere to our Constitutional principles.  GWB and his crime syndicate have plenty of enablers, the unfinformed quiescent folk of ordinary life.  WE, who are the consumers of the ever expanding corporate media.  Clueless we are, loyal to our benefactors first and averse to any perceived threat to our personal security.  We click right into the breech when the spector of collective threat is raised.  It&#8217;s oh so natural!  Sadly, the world is leaving America behind in the forward struggle to fashion civil societies that will withstand the pressures of population and technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-20298</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Newflash": Self-appointed Emperor (little) Johnny Howard (Australian PM &amp; unrepentent Bushite) staffers caught "tampering with wikipedia".

Be careful what you read! Most Australians have a speech impedement that prohibits the pronounciation of ll's ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Newflash&#8221;: Self-appointed Emperor (little) Johnny Howard (Australian PM &amp; unrepentent Bushite) staffers caught &#8220;tampering with wikipedia&#8221;.</p>
<p>Be careful what you read! Most Australians have a speech impedement that prohibits the pronounciation of ll&#8217;s <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-20297</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still prefered "Linda Lovelace for President"!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still prefered &#8220;Linda Lovelace for President&#8221;!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-20293</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it's worth I don't necessarily blame Bush, well for anything other than incompetence. It happened long before him.

I think I have now worked out the sick excuse for "morality" that those who have done this have used to jusify their conscience (nothing you will read in your tabloids). If any are watching, you will not be rewarded in the afterlife, so make sure you don't pass too quick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth I don&#8217;t necessarily blame Bush, well for anything other than incompetence. It happened long before him.</p>
<p>I think I have now worked out the sick excuse for &#8220;morality&#8221; that those who have done this have used to jusify their conscience (nothing you will read in your tabloids). If any are watching, you will not be rewarded in the afterlife, so make sure you don&#8217;t pass too quick.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Nuremberg Prosecutor, I think his name is Jackson called both Sadam Husein and Bush war criminals and said they should both be prosecuted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nuremberg Prosecutor, I think his name is Jackson called both Sadam Husein and Bush war criminals and said they should both be prosecuted.</p>
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		<title>By: dougR</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-20088</link>
		<dc:creator>dougR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post, Larry. I've loved JUDGMENT AT NUREMBERG since it first came out, and have re-visted it periodically over the years. It always seemed to me to embody the notion of America as the preeminent moral leader in the world, and has served (to me, anyway) as a touchstone of American values and integrity. 

It was sad to realize, the last time I watched the movie, that thanks to George Bush and Dick Cheney, none of this is true any longer. It seemed to me on this recent viewing that the movie addressed morality from the point of view of a country that no longer exists. Then, we were the good guys, with a clear moral prerogative. Bush and Cheney have robbed us of that, and now we are, to one extent or another, Ernst Janning--or, perhaps, the frightened servant couple in the movie who keep insisting, "We never knew, none of us knew about the camps." Now, however, we know. Jane Mayer's New Yorker article on renditions tells us; the photographs from Abu Ghraib tell us. We can't say 'we didn't know.' 

It's nearly intolerable to watch the Democrats fumbling with a response to the crimes of the Bush-Cheney administration. War crimes have been committed; orders have been issued, signed by people still in power, but held in the deepest secrecy at least partly because of war-crimes implications.

I wonder, since our politicians don't seem to have the spine for it, if the rest of the civilized world will insist on an accounting from us about our war criminals. I wonder, indeed, if someday, someone will make a "Judgment at Nuremberg" about US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post, Larry. I&#8217;ve loved JUDGMENT AT NUREMBERG since it first came out, and have re-visted it periodically over the years. It always seemed to me to embody the notion of America as the preeminent moral leader in the world, and has served (to me, anyway) as a touchstone of American values and integrity. </p>
<p>It was sad to realize, the last time I watched the movie, that thanks to George Bush and Dick Cheney, none of this is true any longer. It seemed to me on this recent viewing that the movie addressed morality from the point of view of a country that no longer exists. Then, we were the good guys, with a clear moral prerogative. Bush and Cheney have robbed us of that, and now we are, to one extent or another, Ernst Janning&#8211;or, perhaps, the frightened servant couple in the movie who keep insisting, &#8220;We never knew, none of us knew about the camps.&#8221; Now, however, we know. Jane Mayer&#8217;s New Yorker article on renditions tells us; the photographs from Abu Ghraib tell us. We can&#8217;t say &#8216;we didn&#8217;t know.&#8217; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s nearly intolerable to watch the Democrats fumbling with a response to the crimes of the Bush-Cheney administration. War crimes have been committed; orders have been issued, signed by people still in power, but held in the deepest secrecy at least partly because of war-crimes implications.</p>
<p>I wonder, since our politicians don&#8217;t seem to have the spine for it, if the rest of the civilized world will insist on an accounting from us about our war criminals. I wonder, indeed, if someday, someone will make a &#8220;Judgment at Nuremberg&#8221; about US.</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Larry could be KFAD the best he could come up with would be to "force" two people to watch a 46 year old movie.  What would Larry do for the other 22.5 hours in that day?  Ain't it always the way of the statist, force and more force; tax and more tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Larry could be KFAD the best he could come up with would be to &#8220;force&#8221; two people to watch a 46 year old movie.  What would Larry do for the other 22.5 hours in that day?  Ain&#8217;t it always the way of the statist, force and more force; tax and more tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The truths in this movie would probably torture their souls"
From The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV, currently DSM-IV-TR), a widely used manual for diagnosing mental and behavioral disorders,

Anti-Social Personality Disorder

#7: Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

Quacking like a duck indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The truths in this movie would probably torture their souls&#8221;<br />
From The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV, currently DSM-IV-TR), a widely used manual for diagnosing mental and behavioral disorders,</p>
<p>Anti-Social Personality Disorder</p>
<p>#7: Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another</p>
<p>Quacking like a duck indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Bush and the Democrats [Levin, Clinton] are trying to shift blame to Maliki—just in case the surge fails—they're calling to replace Maliki. Even though Bush, Levin, Clinton et al are now saying that the surge is working. Their point being that if we stay, it'll be in spite of our military "success" and due to the Iraqis' political failure. 

This is where I want to scream at the Dems: Oppose the war, damn-it, and withdraw all our troops! What is their problem? They want to play it politically safe? We're talking lives here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Bush and the Democrats [Levin, Clinton] are trying to shift blame to Maliki—just in case the surge fails—they&#8217;re calling to replace Maliki. Even though Bush, Levin, Clinton et al are now saying that the surge is working. Their point being that if we stay, it&#8217;ll be in spite of our military &#8220;success&#8221; and due to the Iraqis&#8217; political failure. </p>
<p>This is where I want to scream at the Dems: Oppose the war, damn-it, and withdraw all our troops! What is their problem? They want to play it politically safe? We&#8217;re talking lives here.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-20035</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mudkitty,
I realize there are differences, but not sure which differences you're highlighting?

Didn't know that about Scalia's father, but it doesn't surprise me. W's grandfather, Prescott, was in business with the Nazis. Hate to imply generational complicity, except that the W apple didn't fall far from that tree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mudkitty,<br />
I realize there are differences, but not sure which differences you&#8217;re highlighting?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t know that about Scalia&#8217;s father, but it doesn&#8217;t surprise me. W&#8217;s grandfather, Prescott, was in business with the Nazis. Hate to imply generational complicity, except that the W apple didn&#8217;t fall far from that tree.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee Loralei</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-19979</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee Loralei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, It bothered me they were saying to dump democracy here, but it appalled me they were saying commit genocide and nuclear holocaust there and replace Iraqis with Americans...... My guess those Americans would be people who spoke out against this administration... Where wou;d we go? We couldn't escape to another Middle-Eastern country and beg them to take pity on od//// all they would see was that we were the hated. dreaded Americans and they'd kill and torture us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, It bothered me they were saying to dump democracy here, but it appalled me they were saying commit genocide and nuclear holocaust there and replace Iraqis with Americans&#8230;&#8230; My guess those Americans would be people who spoke out against this administration&#8230; Where wou;d we go? We couldn&#8217;t escape to another Middle-Eastern country and beg them to take pity on od//// all they would see was that we were the hated. dreaded Americans and they&#8217;d kill and torture us.</p>
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		<title>By: mudkitty</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-19905</link>
		<dc:creator>mudkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nazis were fascists, but not all fascists are Nazis.  SC Justice Scalia's father, for example, was a member of the American Fascists...even during WW2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nazis were fascists, but not all fascists are Nazis.  SC Justice Scalia&#8217;s father, for example, was a member of the American Fascists&#8230;even during WW2.</p>
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		<title>By: greatdogs</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-19885</link>
		<dc:creator>greatdogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Montag,
I agree with your recollection of history.  The part of the wingnuts post that got me was how Bush should nuke the Middle East and then we would just go over and get the oil and whatever else we wanted.  Yeah, fur sure! How many years before any human being could set foot in the area due to the radiation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Montag,<br />
I agree with your recollection of history.  The part of the wingnuts post that got me was how Bush should nuke the Middle East and then we would just go over and get the oil and whatever else we wanted.  Yeah, fur sure! How many years before any human being could set foot in the area due to the radiation?</p>
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		<title>By: greatdogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>greatdogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doran,  In the aftermath of Katrina, Police Supervisor Eddie Compass III declared that no civilians were to be armed.  NO Police and the National Guard, who was under the command of Gen Honore IIRC, went door to door confiscating weapons.  Meanwhile, hired guns from Blackwater, under government contract, were in town protecting some of the homes in the "high rent" neighborhoods. 

Both ABC News and Fox broadcast stories about the gun confiscation. Check this link http://www.sdgo.org/alertarchive/2005_Dec20.htm

It will direct you to the videos.

Good Day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doran,  In the aftermath of Katrina, Police Supervisor Eddie Compass III declared that no civilians were to be armed.  NO Police and the National Guard, who was under the command of Gen Honore IIRC, went door to door confiscating weapons.  Meanwhile, hired guns from Blackwater, under government contract, were in town protecting some of the homes in the &#8220;high rent&#8221; neighborhoods. </p>
<p>Both ABC News and Fox broadcast stories about the gun confiscation. Check this link <a href="http://www.sdgo.org/alertarchive/2005_Dec20.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sdgo.org/alertarchive/2005_Dec20.htm</a></p>
<p>It will direct you to the videos.</p>
<p>Good Day!</p>
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		<title>By: Montag</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-19883</link>
		<dc:creator>Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greatdogs,
I love it when neocon hacks try to draw political analogies with selective memory.  Julius Caesar was assassinated, and the reign of the Roman Emperors began regular periods of civil war!  If Bush can declare himself Emperor, why not the Commanding General of the Fourth Army or whatever?  No doubt the guy would call that survival of the fittest.  What a full mooner!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greatdogs,<br />
I love it when neocon hacks try to draw political analogies with selective memory.  Julius Caesar was assassinated, and the reign of the Roman Emperors began regular periods of civil war!  If Bush can declare himself Emperor, why not the Commanding General of the Fourth Army or whatever?  No doubt the guy would call that survival of the fittest.  What a full mooner!</p>
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		<title>By: Doran Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-19882</link>
		<dc:creator>Doran Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the Fourth Amendment's protections were pretty much lost during the War On Drugs. (Which, by the way, we don't hear much of anymore. I guess we won it.)

Still, I really would like to see some thoughtful discussion of just how Bush/Cheney would go about doing it.  Make an announcement on the Bill O'Reilly Show?  Nail plywood over the doors to the Senate and House?  Arrest the ringleaders of the Democratic Party?  Just how?  

Keep in mind that a huge portion of the National Guard is not available for service within the US.  Would they use mercenaries?  Do you think all the Bubbas and the armed left-wing radicals are going to go quietly at the demand of hired thugs?  And how many hired thugs would it take to suspend all elections?

Your comment about the National Guard seizing  weapons in the aftermath of Katrina is interesting.  I had not heard this and would like to know more.  Just my own opinion, of course, but the disaster brought on by Katrina (and the incompetence of George Bush), is just the kind of thing that could justify the most scrupulous of Presidents to declare martial law in a particular area of the country.  Wonder why Busheney did not do that....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the Fourth Amendment&#8217;s protections were pretty much lost during the War On Drugs. (Which, by the way, we don&#8217;t hear much of anymore. I guess we won it.)</p>
<p>Still, I really would like to see some thoughtful discussion of just how Bush/Cheney would go about doing it.  Make an announcement on the Bill O&#8217;Reilly Show?  Nail plywood over the doors to the Senate and House?  Arrest the ringleaders of the Democratic Party?  Just how?  </p>
<p>Keep in mind that a huge portion of the National Guard is not available for service within the US.  Would they use mercenaries?  Do you think all the Bubbas and the armed left-wing radicals are going to go quietly at the demand of hired thugs?  And how many hired thugs would it take to suspend all elections?</p>
<p>Your comment about the National Guard seizing  weapons in the aftermath of Katrina is interesting.  I had not heard this and would like to know more.  Just my own opinion, of course, but the disaster brought on by Katrina (and the incompetence of George Bush), is just the kind of thing that could justify the most scrupulous of Presidents to declare martial law in a particular area of the country.  Wonder why Busheney did not do that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Former_CIA_agent_US_to_attack_0821.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Former CIA Bob Baer&lt;/a&gt; was on Faux News today saying the administration will probably attack Iran's Revolutionary Guard and nuke sites within 6 months.&lt;blockquote&gt;
"I've taken an informal poll inside the government," Baer told Fox. "The feeling is we will hit the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps."....

"We won't see American troops cross the border. ... If this is going to happen, it's going to happen very quickly and it's going to surprise a lot of people," said Baer. "I hope I'm wrong frankly, but we're going to see."&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I sure hope he's wrong! If not, Iran will be the second nation we've attacked, which hasn't attacked us. We'll be broadening the conflict to the region, providing al Qaeda with more excuses to exist and boosting their recruitment, and we'll be committing another war crime. It's against international law, or it used to be, to attack a nation that hasn't attacked you and isn't even thinking about it. You can bet Iranian casualties won't be limited to the Revolutionary Guard, but will include innocent people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Former_CIA_agent_US_to_attack_0821.html" rel="nofollow">Former CIA Bob Baer</a> was on Faux News today saying the administration will probably attack Iran&#8217;s Revolutionary Guard and nuke sites within 6 months.<br />
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&#8220;I&#8217;ve taken an informal poll inside the government,&#8221; Baer told Fox. &#8220;The feeling is we will hit the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;We won&#8217;t see American troops cross the border. &#8230; If this is going to happen, it&#8217;s going to happen very quickly and it&#8217;s going to surprise a lot of people,&#8221; said Baer. &#8220;I hope I&#8217;m wrong frankly, but we&#8217;re going to see.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I sure hope he&#8217;s wrong! If not, Iran will be the second nation we&#8217;ve attacked, which hasn&#8217;t attacked us. We&#8217;ll be broadening the conflict to the region, providing al Qaeda with more excuses to exist and boosting their recruitment, and we&#8217;ll be committing another war crime. It&#8217;s against international law, or it used to be, to attack a nation that hasn&#8217;t attacked you and isn&#8217;t even thinking about it. You can bet Iranian casualties won&#8217;t be limited to the Revolutionary Guard, but will include innocent people.</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The great american fable that ordinary people will overcome apathy.
"The right thing to do" would that be "In your heart you know he's right." " Yeah far right." To know the right thing to do is easy.  Let Joe Do It.  I am reminded that just a few months ago, American troops were "detaining" the families of members of the "Deck of Cards" in Iraq.  It would be easy to create a deck of cards for the USA.  Do you really think that American boys and girls in thrall to the DHS or the CIA or the USA would have any more moral compunctions about "detaining" your wives and children in the USA than they had about "detaining" the families of Iraqis over there?
Ordinary folk obey and get paid.  Bullshit fantasy folk from bad novels and worse tv defeat evil by their righteous love of each other and all the things that are good...or by swords and magic spells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great american fable that ordinary people will overcome apathy.<br />
&#8220;The right thing to do&#8221; would that be &#8220;In your heart you know he&#8217;s right.&#8221; &#8221; Yeah far right.&#8221; To know the right thing to do is easy.  Let Joe Do It.  I am reminded that just a few months ago, American troops were &#8220;detaining&#8221; the families of members of the &#8220;Deck of Cards&#8221; in Iraq.  It would be easy to create a deck of cards for the USA.  Do you really think that American boys and girls in thrall to the DHS or the CIA or the USA would have any more moral compunctions about &#8220;detaining&#8221; your wives and children in the USA than they had about &#8220;detaining&#8221; the families of Iraqis over there?<br />
Ordinary folk obey and get paid.  Bullshit fantasy folk from bad novels and worse tv defeat evil by their righteous love of each other and all the things that are good&#8230;or by swords and magic spells.</p>
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		<title>By: Montag</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/20/finding-our-moral-conscience/#comment-19858</link>
		<dc:creator>Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a pretty decent made-for-TV movie made in 1968 called, "Shadow On The Land," that took place in a future Fascist U.S.  Even decades later I can remember it.  Like most movies of this kind it centered around a "McGuffin," a plot device to hang the story on.  In this case it's a plan by the Regime to stamp out what little freedom remained by staging a fake Resistance attack on a power station during the Christmas holidays, triggering a domino power outage accross Southern Calfornia.  This will give The Leader the excuse to announce the newest Draconian measures in his Christmas Address to the nation.

The main protagonists are two Resistance moles within the Internal Security Force (our homegrown Gestapo), an officer and his driver.  They have to find out what the secret is and alert the Resistance in time to stop it.  The chit-chat between the two is effective in explaining what has happened.  The officer says that everyone with a house and a two-car garage was willing to give up their freedom in order to keep what they had, or so they were told.

Some of the images are striking.  A Stormtrooper Xing out the Constitution with a paintbrush begins the movie!  A Resistance raid on an ISF concentration camp ends with dying Resistance members lowering the totalitarian ISF Flag and partially raising the democratic U.S. Flag in a last gesture of defiance.  The ISF symbol itself, a sinister spread eagle with "ISF" on it.  The life-and-death struggle taking place while surrounded by Christmas decorations--as if nothing has changed.

I thought John Forsythe was particularly effective as the ISF General, with perhaps the best line in the movie.  As the wounded Resistance mole/ISF officer reports to him that the rest of his ISF Strike Force is dead and that the entire power plant scheme has ended in a stinky fisco for which he thinks the General is responsible, Forsythe manages to keep it all in perspective.  "You're bleeding on my desk," he chides the angry man.

Not a great film by any means, but an interesting one.  The scheme is foiled by ordinary individuals helping the Resistance because it's the right thing to do.  In a veiled warning the Resistance mole tells the ISF General about the Greek Hero Jason, who planted the Hydra's teeth in a field only to have each tooth instantly grow into an armed soldier.  Each time Jason killed one of them another would spring up in his place . . . and another . . . and another . . . and another . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a pretty decent made-for-TV movie made in 1968 called, &#8220;Shadow On The Land,&#8221; that took place in a future Fascist U.S.  Even decades later I can remember it.  Like most movies of this kind it centered around a &#8220;McGuffin,&#8221; a plot device to hang the story on.  In this case it&#8217;s a plan by the Regime to stamp out what little freedom remained by staging a fake Resistance attack on a power station during the Christmas holidays, triggering a domino power outage accross Southern Calfornia.  This will give The Leader the excuse to announce the newest Draconian measures in his Christmas Address to the nation.</p>
<p>The main protagonists are two Resistance moles within the Internal Security Force (our homegrown Gestapo), an officer and his driver.  They have to find out what the secret is and alert the Resistance in time to stop it.  The chit-chat between the two is effective in explaining what has happened.  The officer says that everyone with a house and a two-car garage was willing to give up their freedom in order to keep what they had, or so they were told.</p>
<p>Some of the images are striking.  A Stormtrooper Xing out the Constitution with a paintbrush begins the movie!  A Resistance raid on an ISF concentration camp ends with dying Resistance members lowering the totalitarian ISF Flag and partially raising the democratic U.S. Flag in a last gesture of defiance.  The ISF symbol itself, a sinister spread eagle with &#8220;ISF&#8221; on it.  The life-and-death struggle taking place while surrounded by Christmas decorations&#8211;as if nothing has changed.</p>
<p>I thought John Forsythe was particularly effective as the ISF General, with perhaps the best line in the movie.  As the wounded Resistance mole/ISF officer reports to him that the rest of his ISF Strike Force is dead and that the entire power plant scheme has ended in a stinky fisco for which he thinks the General is responsible, Forsythe manages to keep it all in perspective.  &#8220;You&#8217;re bleeding on my desk,&#8221; he chides the angry man.</p>
<p>Not a great film by any means, but an interesting one.  The scheme is foiled by ordinary individuals helping the Resistance because it&#8217;s the right thing to do.  In a veiled warning the Resistance mole tells the ISF General about the Greek Hero Jason, who planted the Hydra&#8217;s teeth in a field only to have each tooth instantly grow into an armed soldier.  Each time Jason killed one of them another would spring up in his place . . . and another . . . and another . . . and another . . .</p>
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