Comments on: Finding Our Moral Conscience

By: RT Firefly

RT Firefly — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:49:45 +0000

Dee, here’s what Justice Robert Jackson had to say at the Nuremburg trials:
“We must never forget that the record on which we judge these defendants today is the record on which history will judge us tomorrow. To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our lips as well.”
One can hpoe, can’t one?

By: Arden

Arden — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:00:25 +0000

I’ve seen Judgement several times and recently. I read Asimow’s point as we are already pretty far down the slippery slope. It takes an understanding of social (mass) psychology to fathom our failures to adhere to our Constitutional principles. GWB and his crime syndicate have plenty of enablers, the unfinformed quiescent folk of ordinary life. WE, who are the consumers of the ever expanding corporate media. Clueless we are, loyal to our benefactors first and averse to any perceived threat to our personal security. We click right into the breech when the spector of collective threat is raised. It’s oh so natural! Sadly, the world is leaving America behind in the forward struggle to fashion civil societies that will withstand the pressures of population and technology.

By: Thinker

Thinker — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:38:26 +0000

*Newflash”: Self-appointed Emperor (little) Johnny Howard (Australian PM & unrepentent Bushite) staffers caught “tampering with wikipedia”.

Be careful what you read! Most Australians have a speech impedement that prohibits the pronounciation of ll’s

By: Thinker

Thinker — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:29:00 +0000

I still prefered “Linda Lovelace for President”!!!

By: Thinker

Thinker — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:23:38 +0000

For what it’s worth I don’t necessarily blame Bush, well for anything other than incompetence. It happened long before him.

I think I have now worked out the sick excuse for “morality” that those who have done this have used to jusify their conscience (nothing you will read in your tabloids). If any are watching, you will not be rewarded in the afterlife, so make sure you don’t pass too quick.

By: Charles

Charles — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:37:33 +0000

The Nuremberg Prosecutor, I think his name is Jackson called both Sadam Husein and Bush war criminals and said they should both be prosecuted.

By: dougR

dougR — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:25:36 +0000

Thanks for the post, Larry. I’ve loved JUDGMENT AT NUREMBERG since it first came out, and have re-visted it periodically over the years. It always seemed to me to embody the notion of America as the preeminent moral leader in the world, and has served (to me, anyway) as a touchstone of American values and integrity.

It was sad to realize, the last time I watched the movie, that thanks to George Bush and Dick Cheney, none of this is true any longer. It seemed to me on this recent viewing that the movie addressed morality from the point of view of a country that no longer exists. Then, we were the good guys, with a clear moral prerogative. Bush and Cheney have robbed us of that, and now we are, to one extent or another, Ernst Janning–or, perhaps, the frightened servant couple in the movie who keep insisting, “We never knew, none of us knew about the camps.” Now, however, we know. Jane Mayer’s New Yorker article on renditions tells us; the photographs from Abu Ghraib tell us. We can’t say ‘we didn’t know.’

It’s nearly intolerable to watch the Democrats fumbling with a response to the crimes of the Bush-Cheney administration. War crimes have been committed; orders have been issued, signed by people still in power, but held in the deepest secrecy at least partly because of war-crimes implications.

I wonder, since our politicians don’t seem to have the spine for it, if the rest of the civilized world will insist on an accounting from us about our war criminals. I wonder, indeed, if someday, someone will make a “Judgment at Nuremberg” about US.

By: CK

CK — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:53:18 +0000

If Larry could be KFAD the best he could come up with would be to “force” two people to watch a 46 year old movie. What would Larry do for the other 22.5 hours in that day? Ain’t it always the way of the statist, force and more force; tax and more tax.

By: Malcolm

Malcolm — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:25:03 +0000

“The truths in this movie would probably torture their souls”
From The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV, currently DSM-IV-TR), a widely used manual for diagnosing mental and behavioral disorders,

Anti-Social Personality Disorder

#7: Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

Quacking like a duck indeed.

By: Leslie

Leslie — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:18:45 +0000

So Bush and the Democrats [Levin, Clinton] are trying to shift blame to Maliki—just in case the surge fails—they’re calling to replace Maliki. Even though Bush, Levin, Clinton et al are now saying that the surge is working. Their point being that if we stay, it’ll be in spite of our military “success” and due to the Iraqis’ political failure.

This is where I want to scream at the Dems: Oppose the war, damn-it, and withdraw all our troops! What is their problem? They want to play it politically safe? We’re talking lives here.

By: Leslie

Leslie — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:11:34 +0000

Mudkitty,
I realize there are differences, but not sure which differences you’re highlighting?

Didn’t know that about Scalia’s father, but it doesn’t surprise me. W’s grandfather, Prescott, was in business with the Nazis. Hate to imply generational complicity, except that the W apple didn’t fall far from that tree.

By: Dee Loralei

Dee Loralei — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:04:42 +0000

Yea, It bothered me they were saying to dump democracy here, but it appalled me they were saying commit genocide and nuclear holocaust there and replace Iraqis with Americans…… My guess those Americans would be people who spoke out against this administration… Where wou;d we go? We couldn’t escape to another Middle-Eastern country and beg them to take pity on od//// all they would see was that we were the hated. dreaded Americans and they’d kill and torture us.

By: mudkitty

mudkitty — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:39:49 +0000

Nazis were fascists, but not all fascists are Nazis. SC Justice Scalia’s father, for example, was a member of the American Fascists…even during WW2.

By: greatdogs

greatdogs — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:25:22 +0000

Montag,
I agree with your recollection of history. The part of the wingnuts post that got me was how Bush should nuke the Middle East and then we would just go over and get the oil and whatever else we wanted. Yeah, fur sure! How many years before any human being could set foot in the area due to the radiation?

By: greatdogs

greatdogs — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:20:38 +0000

Doran, In the aftermath of Katrina, Police Supervisor Eddie Compass III declared that no civilians were to be armed. NO Police and the National Guard, who was under the command of Gen Honore IIRC, went door to door confiscating weapons. Meanwhile, hired guns from Blackwater, under government contract, were in town protecting some of the homes in the “high rent” neighborhoods.

Both ABC News and Fox broadcast stories about the gun confiscation. Check this link http://www.sdgo.org/alertarchive/2005_Dec20.htm

It will direct you to the videos.

Good Day!