By Larry Johnson
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Name: Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
About: Larry C. Johnson is a former analyst at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, who moved subsequently in 1989 to the U.S. Department of State, where he served four years as the deputy director for transportation security, antiterrorism assistance training, and special operations in the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism. He left government service in October 1993 and set up a consulting business. He currently is the co-owner and CEO of BERG Associates, LLC (Business Exposure Reduction Group) and is an expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, and crisis and risk management, and money laundering investigations. Johnson is the founder and main author of No Quarter, a weblog that addresses issues of terrorism and intelligence and politics. NoQuarterUSA was nominated as Best Political Blog of 2008.[1] He has worked as a private consultant on issues of international terrorism and security for the U.S. Government and private companies. Johnson has appeared as a consultant and commentator in many major newspapers and news programs.[2]
Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Views
2.1 1996
2.2 1998
2.3 1999
2.4 2000
2.5 2001
2.6 2003
2.6.1 Plame affair
2.7 2008
3 Notes
4 References
5 External links
[edit]Background
Larry Johnson moved to Washington, D.C. in 1979 to begin work on a Ph.D. at the American University. Although he completed successfully all coursework and comprehensive exams, he did not write a dissertation. In 1978 and in 1983-85 he worked in Latin America on community development projects as a community organizer. Returning to the United States in 1985 he joined the Central Intelligence Agency, thanks in part to a letter of recommendation from Republican Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) that helped to "open doors" for him at the Agency.[3] Johnson entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985 and was a classmate of Valerie Plame. Every member of that class was undercover. After a year in the Career Trainee program, which included a stint with the Afghan Task Force, Johnson was assigned as an analyst in the Middle America Caribbean Division in the Latin American Affairs Office of the Directorate of Intelligence. He received two Exceptional Performance awards and was promoted ultimately to Senior Regional Analyst for Central America.
Johnson remained undercover in the CIA until October 1989, when he resigned from the CIA and started a new job in the Office of Counter Terrorism at the Department of State. Johnson played an instrumental role in launching the Terrorism Rewards program international advertising campaign (working with Diplomatic Security officers Brad Smith and Michael Parks). [4] Johnson also was involved in a variety of crisis management response operations, including the release of hostages from Lebanon and liaison with the Pan Am 103 families. He left government service in October 1993 and started his own business as a consultant.
After leaving government service, Johnson became a frequent guest on many major television news shows when a question of terrorism came up. He was first interviewed by CNN following the capture of Carlos the Jackal. Johnson subsequently appeared on CNN, ABC's Nightline, CBS, the BBC, MSNBC, the Jim Lehrer News Hour, NBC, and NPR. In December of 1999, for example, Johnson was hired by NBC to serve as its terrorist expert for the Y2000 and was in Time Square with Tom Brokaw and Katie Couric ("a lot of fun and the best way to see in the New Year"). Johnson also was hired in January 2002 as a Fox News Analyst and remained under contract until February 2003.
Since 1994 a significant focus of Johnson's consulting work has been with the U.S. military special operations forces in scripting and conducting military counter terrorism exercises. He traveled under orders from the U.S. military to Iraq in May 2006 to work on a short term project.
A registered Republican who supported President Bush in 2000, Johnson became a strong critic of the Bush administration in May 2003 for its conduct of the war in Iraq and, a few months later, for its role in the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame.[5] He was also featured in the 2004 political documentary Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism. Since Robert Novak's controversial disclosure of Valerie Plame as a CIA operative in July 2003, Johnson has contributed to public discourse on intelligence matters, often sparking further controversy. He has been interviewed by both the mass media and the alternative media and published commentaries on a variety of issues, including the Plame affair, the controversy concerning Mary McCarthy, and the resignation of Porter Goss as Director of Central Intelligence.
[edit]Views
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[edit]1996
In 1996, Johnson noted that terrorism worldwide was on the decline. "Terrorist incidents [both internationally and in the US] have fallen to levels not seen since the 1970s. Whether measured by the number of incidents, the number of fatalities, or the number of groups, raw statistics demonstrate that the level of terrorist violence has declined since the mid-1980s. In fact, the evidence suggests terrorism was more widespread and deadly 10 years ago."[6]
He also wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times suggesting that the newer and more deadly terrorist threat to the U.S. was embodied by "networks of terrorists, mostly foreign, working within its borders." Exemplifying this threat was Ramzi Yousef, one of the masterminds behind the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. In the article, Johnson suggests that enhanced cooperation between intelligence agencies, particularly the FBI and CIA, is mandatory to meet the growing threat of terror networks.[7]
[edit]1998
In 1998, Johnson argued that while overall terrorism was declining, the threat from bin Laden and al-Qaeda should be the focus of American counterterrorism policy:
The nature of the threat posed by Bin Ladin is highlighted by my final chart, number 7. Osama Bin Ladin and individuals associated with him have killed and wounded more Americans than any other group. This chart also illustrates that groups such as Hamas and the Tamil Tigers (LTTE) prior to 1998 have killed more foreigners in the anti-US terrorist attacks. If we take into account the bombings of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Osama's status as the most lethal terrorist is certain.[8]
In addition, he told USA Today that bin Laden had participated in "virtually every major attack of terrorism against the United States" in the 1990s. Johnson underlined the threat posed by bin Laden, saying that he was possessed by "hatred and craziness." If left unanswered, "he would continue to terrorize Americans around the world. He has no compunction about killing women and children. He's a complete egalitarian in his murderous attitude."[9]
[edit]1999
In an interview with PBS's Frontline for its 1999 program, Hunting bin Laden, Johnson discussed Osama bin Laden.[10] According to Johnson, Americans had "tended to make Osama bin Laden sort of a superman in Muslim garb." "Actually," he continues, "Osama bin Laden, in my view, represents more of a symptom of a problem, and the problem is this: the Saudi Arabian government, not just Osama bin Laden but many people in Saudi Arabia, have been sending money to radical Islamic groups for years." Johnson continued:
When you look at who's killed Americans in the last 10 years, the individuals he's supported and backed--I'm basing that upon the initial information that's been released in the indictments and conversations with others in the intelligence communities--Osama bin Laden has been the one killing Americans. No other terrorist group in the world has been out killing Americans except for Osama bin Laden.... Osama bin Laden remains out there as the one really targeting us. So, we recognize that he's the threat. He's serious about wanting to kill Americans, but as long as he's in Afghanistan, as long as he doesn't have access to a cell phone, as long as he can't just hop on a plane and travel wherever he wants without fear of being arrested, his ability to plan and conduct terrorist operations is extremely limited. We have to recognize [that] he would like to do a lot of damage. He would like to kill Americans, but wanting to is different from being able to, having the full capabilities in place.[11]
In the interview, Johnson doubted the ability of members of bin Laden's organization to plan and put their lives on the line:
There's not another Ali or Mustafa out there at this point and Osama bin Laden in my view has not been a very effective organizer or leader. He talks a great game and puts out terrific threats as far as stirring the passions in the United States and maybe firing up the imaginations of some young Muslims throughout the world. But when push comes to shove, can he get a group of people who are together who will say: we are going to plan an operation, we're going to put our lives on the line, we're going to go out and try and kill people and we don't care what the consequence is? It hasn't happened.[12]
Frontline asked:
[Is it] ... fair to say what you're saying is that the president of the United States, his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor for counter-terrorism, are basically blowing smoke [about the danger posed by bin Laden] and his followers]?
Johnson responded:
They're grossly exaggerating the problem. They are hyping it. They shouldn't be talking about rising terrorism. Instead of saying "terrorism's rising," it's not. "Terrorism is spreading," it's not. "More people are dying from terrorism," not the case. But what they should be saying is, "There's one individual out there that really doesn't like us, and he's made it his mission in life to kill Americans, and we've gotta deal with him." But we need to have a voice of reason in that process instead of putting ourselves out crying wolf, because this is essentially what's taking place right now. They call it the administration that cries wolf.[12]
[edit]2000
Johnson co-authored an article in 2000 with Milt Bearden which focused on the threat posed by al-Qaeda specifically, rather than terrorism trends in general. Beardon and Johnson note that new information emerging about the bombings at Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 points to the threat posed by Imad Mugniyah and Osama Bin Laden will require "a coordinated policy that will employ a full range of covert, clandestine, diplomatic, and military operations," concluding:
The Clinton Administration has shot its bolt on the terrorist problem with small effect, and no last minute show of force will change the record. A new administration can start afresh with a more sharply defined set of terrorism goals – Mughniyeh and bin Laden and their protectors for starters – and bring the full, coordinated force of American diplomatic, military, and intelligence capabilities to bear on the problem.[13]
[edit]2001
After Johnson's testimony to the special forum at the U.S. Senate, Gary J. Schmitt, executive director and CEO of the Project for the New American Century, refers in the Daily Standard (blog) to an op-ed piece Johnson wrote two months prior to the 9/11 attacks, claiming that Johnson argued that the US had little to fear from terrorism.[14]
In an editorial entitled "The Declining Terrorist Threat," published in the New York Times on 10 July 2001, Johnson says:
Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.... None of these beliefs are based in fact.... While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way.[15]
Ten days after the 9/11 attacks, after quoting the above passage, Timothy Noah concludes a post in his "Chatterbox" feature at Slate: "Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong."[16] Johnson defended himself against such attacks:
The rightwing is resurrecting an op-ed I wrote in July 2001. I stand by the full article. It is still relevant today. I am accused, incorrectly, of ignoring the threat of terrorism. In fact, I correctly noted that the real threat emanated from Bin Laden and Islamic extremism. President Bush, for his part, ignored the CIA warning in August 2001 that Al Qaeda was posed to strike inside the United States.[17]
After September 11, Johnson appeared several times on FOX News to address the question of military action against terrorism. On 14 November, he defended the FBI's proposal to interview 5,000 students in the U.S. suspected of having information relevant to the September 11 investigations:
I think they should talk to everyone that they feel they have a need to talk to. I mean, look, this is war. This is not a legal proceeding. This isn't the O.J. Simpson trial. The folks that attacked us -- they murdered Americans. And we've got to recognize that in wartime, we should do things differently.[18]
[edit]2003
In January 2003, Johnson wrote an analysis of the relationship between the upcoming U.S. invasion of Iraq and the threat of transnational terrorism. According to Johnson, Bremer's response was to tell him that "it didn't matter what Saddam did or didn't do, we were going to war."[19] The paper warned that an invasion would "do little to destroy the infrastructure of radical Islamic terrorism responsible for the 9-11 attacks." Noting that Saddam Hussein's regime has been a longtime supporter of regional terrorist organizations such as the PLO, Johnson examines contacts between Saddam Hussein and transnational terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda:
There is no doubt that Iraq is a state sponsor of terrorism—i.e., a country that provides financial support, safe haven, training, or weapons and explosives to groups or individuals that carry out terrorist attacks. . . . According to Central Intelligence Agency data, there is no credible evidence implicating Iraq in any mass casualty terrorist attacks since 1991. . . .
Johnson notes that the period immediately leading up to 2003 saw a rise of activity surrounding terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, suggesting that "Iraq is willing to help a movement that it would otherwise oppose on ideological grounds. Nonetheless," Johnson concludes, "it is important to understand that Iraqi entreaties to Al Qaeda, are most likely intended as a tactic to bolster Iraq’s ability to fight off a U.S. invasion rather than a deep-seated theological and ideological commitment to the terrorist agenda of Bin Laden.[20]
In that analysis Johnson also warns that the U.S.-led invasion was likely to backfire:
In fact there is a serious risk that a U.S. led war against Iraq may crystallize the diffused anger in the Arab and Muslim world — a heretofore unattained goal of bin Laden and his followers — and persuade more Muslim youths to take up the terrorist banner against America and her citizens.... If we decide to invade Iraq we must be prepared for the contingency that our attack will inspire young Muslims to pursue jihad against the West in general and the United States in particular. Just as the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan rallied many Muslims, especially young adults to the cause of jihad, a U.S. attack may enable Islamic extremists to attract new followers.[20]
Johnson also gave interviews on the topic of what to do with captured al-Qaeda leaders; while he did not condone torture, he suggested that a "sleep deprivation and reward system" might be useful for getting information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed:
I don't see a constitutional right to have eight hours of sleep. You shouldn't subject someone to freezing but they don't get to wear mink coats, either.[21]
In May 2003, Johnson joined members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) in condemning the manipulation of intelligence for political purposes:
It is a misuse and abuse of intelligence. The president was being misled. He was ill served by the folks who are supposed to protect him on this. Whether this was witting or unwitting, I don't know, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.[22]
[edit]Plame affair
After Robert Novak wrote a column identifying the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson as a CIA officer, the media invited Johnson to comment on the ensuing scandal because he had been a member of the same Career Trainee class with Valerie Plame Wilson. For example, in October 2003, he appeared on Democracy Now to discuss the Plame affair. He told interviewer Amy Goodman that Valerie Wilson's cover should have been respected whether she was an "analyst" or a "cleaning lady": "if she's undercover she's undercover, period. If the media allows themselves to get distracted with those kinds of curve balls, they ignore the issue."[23]
He told a Senate Democratic Policy Committee in October 2003, "My classmates and I have been betrayed. Together, we have kept the secrets of each other's identities a secret for 18 years. Each and every one of us have kept that secret, whether we were in the CIA, in other government service or in the private sector. But this issue is not just about a blown cover. It is about the destruction of the very essence, the core of human intelligence collection activities: plausible deniability, apparently, for partisan domestic political reasons."[24]
Johnson testified at a special joint hearing of Congressional and Senate Democrats on 22 July 2005 about the consequences arising from the Plame affair.[25]
[edit]2008
In 2008, Johnson emerged as a staunch supporter of Hillary Clinton and a strong critic of Barack Obama. Larry Johnson's blog, NoQuarterUSA, became a rally point for Clinton supporters wary of Barack Obama's qualifications to be president. Supporters of Barack Obama insist that a story that first appeared on Johnson's blog--a report that Republican operatives have a tape of Michelle Obama making racially insenstive comments about caucasians--has been "refuted" Barack Obama's Fight the Smears website.[26]. However, Johnson never claimed to have the tape and reported that the Republican operatives controlling it intended to release the tape sometime after the Democratic Convention in August 2008. On October 21, however, he asserted that the operative in possession of the tape had been instructed by the McCain campaign not to release it.[27]
[edit]Notes
^ http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-political-coverage/
^ Larry C. Johnson, "About Me," No Quarter (personal blog).
^ "Former CIA Official Larry Johnson Delivers Democratic Radio Address," transcript posted on official Democratic National Committee's website for The Democratic Party, July 23, 2005], accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Interview with Larry Johnson, confirmed by his supervisor
^ "Ex-CIA official Blasts Bush on Leak of Operative's Name: Democrats' Radio Address Focuses on White House Aides' Role," CNN July 23, 2005, accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Gail Russell Chaddock, "Why Terrorists Pick On the French," Christian Science Monitor (5 December 1996) p. 1.
^ Larry Johnson, "Terrorists Among Us," New York Times (20 August 1996) p. A19.
^ Terrorism Today
^ Lee Michael Katz, "The Hunt for Bin Laden," USA Today (21 August 1998) p. 1A.
^ See Transcript of original interview with Larry C. Johnson, as broadcast on Frontline in 1999. Cf. "Interview: Larry C. Johnson," for Hunting bin Laden, transcript of interview broadcast on Frontline subsequently on 13 April 2001. See also dedicated PBS webpages for media links: Iraq and the War on Terror, Frontline PBS, online featured programs, accessed 19 November 2006.
^ frontline: hunting bin laden: interviews: larry c. johnson | PBS
^ a b [1].
^ As posted in [2].
^ Gary Schmitt, [ 07/25/2005 "Meet Larry Johnson: The CIA official Turned Democratic Spokesman Has a Pre-9/11 Mindset," Daily Standard (blog), July 25, 2005, accessed November 20, 2006.
^ *Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," The New York Times 10 July 2001: A19.
^ Timothy Noah, "(Not Exactly a) Whopper of the Week: Larry C. Johnson," Chatterbox: Gossip, speculation, and scuttlebutt about politics (blog), hosted by Slate September 21, 2001, accessed November 20, 2006. Note the full context of this quotation:
It is, to be sure, a little bit cheap (and slightly at odds with the usual parameters of this feature) to criticize someone for making an erroneous prediction, particularly after a tragedy. Chatterbox is especially reluctant to tag Johnson because Johnson's op-ed was argued forcefully, backed up meticulously with factual data, and bravely at odds with conventional wisdom at the time of its publication. Add in that Johnson now makes his living as a consultant to corporations about terrorism, and therefore had everything to gain by exaggerating the dangers terrorism poses, and the guy practically looks like a hero. Chatterbox, who two decades ago was an editor for the New York Times op-ed page, would have published Johnson's piece had he still been an editor there this past July. In his capacity at Slate, Chatterbox might well have written up Johnson's prediction, and perhaps even endorsed it.
But boy, is he glad he didn't! Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong. Sadly, a mistake this embarrassing cannot be ignored. As a fellow skeptic, Chatterbox in all sincerity wishes Johnson better luck next time.
^ Larry C. Johnson, "Johnson vs. President Bush," re-posted and updated by SusanHu at DailyKos (blog) July 25, 2005.
^ FOX News Interview with John Garrett (14 November 2001) Transcript #111405cb.260.
^ [3].
^ a b Larry C. Johnson, "Setting the Record Straight on Iraqi Terrorism," posted in Booman Tribune: A Progressive Community (personal blog) 27 January 2003. accessed 19 November 2006.
^ Qtd. in Toby Harnden, "CIA 'pressure' on al-Qa'eda chief," The London Telegraph 5 March 2003: 16.
^ Qtd. in Nicolas D. Kristof, "Save Our Spooks," The New York Times 30 May 2003:A6.
^ Democracy Now (3 October 2003)[4]
^ U.S. Senate, Democratic Policy Committee Meeting on the CIA Operative Leak, (24 October 2003).
^ Letter to the Senate.[Needs full source citation; see "References" section.]
^ Tumulty, Karen (2008-06-12). "Will Obama's Anti-Rumor Plan Work?", Time Magazine. Retrieved on 20 June 2008.:"a story that apparently first made a big splash on the Internet in late May in a post by pro-Hillary Clinton blogger Larry Johnson"
^ Whitey Tape, API, Phil Berg, and Andy MartinSee Authors Posts (1090) on August 31, 2007 at 9:48 PM in Current Affairs
If you caught the intellectual lightweight, Michael O’Hanlon, on CNN this morning you would have been treated to a masterful display of toadying and sucking up that puts the “sick” in sycophant. O’Hanlon continues to insist that his DOD arranged and controlled trip this summer to limited areas of Iraq proved beyond doubt that the surge is working and we are progressing in Iraq.
Of course his confident claims are not attended by any benchmarks or empirical evidence. So as a public service we will take a look at the specifics in Iraq and you can judge for yourself whether or not we are making progress and whether or not we are getting value for our money and the blood of our sons and daughters.
U.S. Casualties:
Compare the current number of U.S. fatalities in Iraq with previous eight month periods for 2006 and 2005. For the first eight months of 2007 there have been 735 American troops killed and 4430 wounded. This is significantly higher than the casualty rate in 2005 or 2006. We have 1000 more dead and wounded this year than last year for the period January-August. The following chart tells the factual story (source, icasualties.org):
Comparison of American Casualties in Iraq

The Iraqi Population:
Higher casualties, by themselves, tell us nothing about progress one way or another. One could make the case that because of the casualties the situation in Iraq has stabilized and Iraqis are rushing to celebrate the “new peace”. Sadly, that is wishful thinking.
The number of Iraqis seeking refuge in the United States is increasing, not diminishing. According to a Reuter’s report this week:
A senior U.S. official said on Tuesday the United States would speed up the immigration of Iraqis who worked with its military in Iraq, after congressional criticism that it has taken in so few since the 2003 invasion.
U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Ellen Sauerbrey said a faster resettlement policy into the United States this year could more than double the rate of migration.
“Two thousand will have made it to the country, we hope if not by the end of September, by the end of October, and a couple of thousand more in November,” she said.
“So by the end of the calendar year, there might be a possibility we will have moved the entire original 7,000 number that was talked about,” Sauerbrey said, referring to figures for the number of Iraqis recommended by the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for resettlement in the United States.
Iraqis seeking refuge in other countries continues to mount. The BBC today reports:
Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari was informed of the new measure by his Syrian counterpart, Walid Muallim, in a telephone conversation on Thursday.
Syria had been the only country in the region to allow Iraqis to enter and stay up to six months without a visa.
The UN refugee agency says 1.4 million Iraqi refugees are living in Syria.
With the number increasing by an estimated 30,000 every month, Syria’s health and education systems are struggling to cope.
The Syrian government estimates the Iraqi refugee crisis is costing it around $1bn a year.
Well. At least the U.S. presence is healing the rift between Sunnis and Shias. Nope! Today’s New York Times details the growing chasm between these groups in Iraq:
In Parliament three months ago, she shouted down her colleagues for standing by as Sunni extremists in Diyala Province killed hundreds of Shiites. When the speaker, a Sunni, smirked, she screamed: “Why are you laughing, Mr. Speaker? I want to know why you’re laughing.” (He waved her away: “Leave it to the women,” he said.)
Ms. Musawi, though loyal to the more moderate Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, also now defends some actions of the Mahdi Army, the militia loyal to Moktada al-Sadr, the anti-American cleric, saying that it has filled a necessary void.
“The government couldn’t protect the people,” she said. “They couldn’t save them. The Sadrists did that.”
When asked about accusations that the Mahdi Army forced innocent Sunnis out of the Hurriya neighborhood, which borders Adel, she said Shiites had no time to sift the innocent from the guilty because Sunnis were killing Shiites.
She says the basic problem is that too many Sunnis will never accept Shiite rule. Just as galling, she said, they refuse to accept responsibility for the sins of Mr. Hussein, the Baath party or today’s extremists.
And the list goes on. Sunnis have walked away from the Maliki Government. What passes for a government has been on vacation for a month and no significant agreements regarding the equitable allocation of oil resources or the rights of former Baath party members have been achieved.
As I warned in a blog more than a month ago, the Bush Administration and hacks like O’Hanlon are insisting things are better in Iraq. But, fewer deaths in certain neighborhoods has an alternative and darker explanation. Violence is down because there are fewer people. The absence of respiration is not a sign of life.
Oh, and did I mention the problem of corruption? A congressionally appointed panel headed by the highly respected Marine General, James Jones, reports that:
the rampant sectarianism that has existed since the formation of the police force requires that its current units “be scrapped” and reshaped into a smaller, more elite organization, according to one senior official familiar with the findings. The recommendation is that “we should start over,” the official said.
David Corn has another piece of the corruption puzzle:
according to the working draft of a secret document prepared by the U.S. embassy in Baghdad, the Maliki government has failed in one significant area: corruption. Maliki’s government is “not capable of even rudimentary enforcement of anticorruption laws,” the report says, and, perhaps worse, the report notes that Maliki’s office has impeded investigations of fraud and crime within the government.
With British forces vacating southern Iraq, the United States must either further divide and weaken its over strapped units and send them to Basra or cede the territory to the Shia militias that are in defacto control.
How many American lives and how many billions of dollars must we expend in Iraq ostensibly to make America safe? We can not afford to be the sole peace keeper in the world. We should not be enabling the Iraqi army and police who continue to swear allegiance to sectarian leaders rather than embracing national interests. This is ultimately a problem the various Iraqi factions must sort out. US troops should not be in the middle of this dispute.
If US roads and bridges were in great shape. If American schools, particularly in inner cities, were the envy of the world. If every American had access to health care, then I could tolerate wasting $3 billion a week. But asking almost 3 Americans per day to die in Iraq? Not worth another drop of our blood.
Larry,
neither bush nor cheney care a hoot how many american military personnel they put through the iraqi meatgrinder, they take their marching orders from the israel power cartel and the oil industry magnates. israel doesn’t care how many americans die, just as long as their idf doesn’t have to. and the oil industry magnates regards the blood of american military personnel as a far cheaper commodity than their precious putrid crude oil.
With British forces vacating southern Iraq, …
I only heard a smidgen of the report on NPR (BBC?) in my daughter’s car on Wednesday, but it said that thieves and others were on site, waiting for the British troops’ departure so they could ransack what was left behind.
On reflection, I guess all that means is that the Iraqi people will have to sort things out, and will do so, one way or another. They can certainly do it better, eventually, than we ever can. God, I wish them the best. They’re living in hellish circumstances.
Larry’s right. We need to take care of our infrastructure, health care, schools, environment (!) and wildlife, trade imbalance, product and food safety, and create alternative energy. Boy, think of all the jobs we could create by focusing on infrastructure repair and alternative energy … those jobs earnings will help the economy enormously.
My daughter drives to/fro work on a viaduct that gets a rating of 9 out of 100. The Minnesota bridge that collapsed had a rating of 50. PBS Newshour did a big segment on that viaduct last week. (There’s local paralysis on what to do — among far-lefty extremists who want no viaduct or tunnel, the mayor who’s smitten with a hugely expensive tunnel, and the practical Democratic governor who wants a new viaduct built — but a strong president could have stepped in and issued an edict to build a new viaduct, and that’d be it.)
Then there’s New Orleans. Jonathan Alter said something interesting to Keith Olbermann the other night. For all his imperfections, John Kerry would have taken better care of New Orleans. He told Alter that, as president, he would have practically moved to New Orleans, overseeing its reconstruction. And, since Kerry is so well-informed on the environment, he would have focused on the rebuilding of the wetlands, the degradation of which caused the whole mess to begin with.
Eeek, your daughter commutes over a 9 out of 100 bridge? She should find another way across.
NYC’s famous Brooklyn Bridge has a rating of 48 or 49—it’s a 50% bridge. Meaning, you have a 50/50 chance of making it across without drowning in the East River.
Saw that report about Basra and the gangs eagerly awaiting UK withdrawal too. And also the report about what Kerry would’ve done in New Orleans if he were preznit. If only we hadn’t invaded Iraq, if only Kerry were president, if only!
“…— but a strong president could have stepped in and issued an edict to build a new viaduct, and that’d be it.)” Scratch a liberal find a yearning for dictatorship.
“…he would have focused on the rebuilding of the wetlands.” vs “…— among far-lefty extremists who want no viaduct or tunnel,” Once upon a time, cognitive dissonance was not so open.
That’s quippy, but my idea about an Solomon-esque edict is due to the protracted debate over what to do about the viaduct and the failure of the interested parties to compromise. (You’d have to live in Seattle or nearby to know just how protracted it’s become.) Something has to be done because of the danger of the existing structure. And the Democratic governor isn’t the only Democrat who’s decided a new viaduct is the best solution, and the most practical financially. It’s an essential corridor for so many businesses and workers. But there are some idealistic city council people want the land to become condominiums and parks, with nowhere for the traffic to go. Not everyone can ride a bike or afford a million-dollar condo.
““…he would have focused on the rebuilding of the wetlands.” vs “…— among far-lefty extremists who want no viaduct or tunnel,””…. While I’ll acknowledge the ascerbic sarcasm, it’s not a logical comparison.
“Two thousand will have made it to the country, we hope if not by the end of September, by the end of October, and a couple of thousand more in November,” she said.”
If the increase in the number of refugees remains constant, between the beginning of September and the end of October an additional 110-120,000 Iraqis will have become homeless, and the party responsible for the problem will accommodate - “they hope” - around 3% of those. Thanks for nothing, America!
“So by the end of the calendar year, there might be a possibility we will have moved the entire original 7,000 number that was talked about”
The official UN estimate of internally and externally displaced Iraqis was 4.2 million, and their numbers are increasing by an estimated 55-60,000 per month. The party responsible for this catastrophe is going to take in around one tenth of one per cent of them. Thanks for nothing, America!
Shirin, isn’t it close to if not the worst refugee crisis in the world?
And, since you follow this crisis closely, do you know if the U.S. is extending any real aid to Syria and Jordan to help them cope with the refugees?
Also: If/when the occupation is over, what would you want done for the Iraqis who’ve worked for the U.S. or contractors? Do they and their families need to be protected and moved out of Iraq?
Yes, Susan, it is by far the worst refugee crisis in the world, perhaps ever. Nir Rosen, an independent American journalist, recently spent some time looking at the refugee issue, and he estimates that the total number of displaced Iraqis is closer to 5-6 million, not the official U.N. count of 4.2.
It is also important to be aware of the Palestinian-Iraqi refugees, who are living in a terrible kind of limbo because no country will accept them.
Unless they are doing so very surreptitiously - hah! THAT would be the day! - the U.S. is not doing anything whatsoever to help Syria or Jordan to deal with the refugees. Syria has been very generous in accepting and accommodating Iraqi refugees, but their capacity is just about at its limit now. Jordan was not taking any more refugees the last I heard, and puts very serious restrictions on the ones who are there.
The U.S. certainly owes it to the Iraqis who worked in any capacity for the occupation to bring them to the USA, give them green cards, and make sure they and their families are able to live decent lives here. It is the least they can do. Unfortunately, although all of them can rightfully be seen as collaborators or worse, many of them took the jobs because it was their only means of supporting their families, just as is the case with so many who joined the “Iraqi security forces” - i.e. police or military. They did not want to be proxies for the occupying power, but with their businesses destroyed, and unemployment at 50-70%, those were practically the only jobs available.
As for the real quislings, opportunists, and collaborators, to hell with them. I don’t care what happens to them, but the U.S. really DOES owe them protection and a home for life in the USA.
As I am sure you know, those Viet Namese “boat people” about whom Bush waxed so eloquent a couple of weeks ago were those who had worked for the U.S., and who were largely abandoned to their fate. The U.S. has a nasty habit of using and abandoning people, as the Kurds know better than anyone else in Iraq.
Great response, Shirin. It sickens me. Charlie Rose did a great show about the crisis in March, and everything said on that show is still timely. The New Yorker’s George Packer was on because of his piece on the plight of the Iraqis who’ve worked for the Americans, contractors, etc., and how the Americans have screwed them over.
Packer said that no other story he’s ever done made him MORE ASHAMED to be an American.
P.S. Angelina Jolie was in Iraq very recently to highlight the plight of Iraqi refugees, and she went to the refugee camps. CNN did about 15 seconds on it. If only she’d taken Jennifer Anniston with her and had staged a big cat fight, then the story would have gotten more time (if not emphasis on the Iraqi refugees she is trying to help get the word out about).
Here is something on refugeesfrom the great British journalist (and I use that word in the TRUE sense), Robert Fisk, one of the few western journalists in the Middle East who lives there, speaks, reads, and writes Arabic, and actually gives a damn about the people and places he writes about.
“For their care [of Iraqi refugees], of course, the Syrians have received not a scintilla of gratitude from the Americans who were responsible for creating the hell-disaster of Iraq in the first place. It’s worth comparing the vital statistics (though not on CNN or Fox News): Syria has accepted almost one and a half million Iraqi refugees – caring for them, providing them with welfare and free hospital services – while Washington, when it isn’t cursing Iraq’s prime minister, has accepted a measly 800 Iraqis.
“And Lebanon? No one realises that this tiny Arab country has accepted 50,000 Iraqis since the great refugee exodus began.”
http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2917317.ece
Larry, i haven’t read it all, but think there’s a minor typo in third to last paragraph.
think you want “defacto.”
Thanks man. Got it.
lj
Larry, still haven’t read it all, but i agree w your conclusions. america has a simple choice: we can piss our national treasure away in the mess in mess o’potomia, or, we can take care of americans here at home. a republic or an empire.
other item: the wordsmith is me loves your sick/sycophant & abscence of respiration not a sign of life lines.
Further thoughts on the refugee situation vis a vis the U.S.:
If the U.S. provided aid to the countries that are taking in the refugees - mainly Jordan and Syria - they would not only be tacitly acknowledging that there IS a refugee problem, more importantly they would be tacitly admitting at least some responsibility for it. I don’t think they want to do either.
A number of people have suggested similar reasons for the nearly total lack of interest in providing a place in the U.S. for refugees.
It is also important to be aware that a significant percentage of the refugees are homeless because the U.S. military has destroyed or rendered uninhabitable their homes, neighborhoods, villages, towns or cities.
I have just seen an announcement that the government of Sudan has said it will accept the Palestinian Iraqi refugees. This is extremely good news for people who have been living for several years in limbo on the borders of Jordan and Syria as a result of Bush’s aggression against Iraq. I hope this really happens for them.
I read that the US won’t accept Iraqi refugees unless they’re coming from Syria or Jordan, both of which are probably unable to accept any more refugees. It’s a typical Bushie ploy: say you’re doing something while simultaneously preventing it.
At least the Palestinian Iraqis will be able to leave their tattered tents out in the deserts of Jordan…but doubt they had troubled Sudan in mind.
Jordan was never really happy about taking refugees, and did not welcome them, except for the more affluent ones. That country also has very little capacity for dealing with desperate, impoverished Iraqis. Syria is also a more friendly place than Jordan for a wider variety of Iraqis, especially different flavours of Christians, Shi`as, Sabaeans, etc. A LOT of Iraqi Christians have gone to Syria. Syria has, as I said, been quite generous until now, and provided a lot of services for Iraqi refugees that are available to Syrian citizens, but they are not a rich country and can only do so much for so many.
Yes, I doubt the Palestinian Iraqis would have Sudan as their first choice, but really the trouble there is not everywhere in the country, but only in one area. I have never been there, but based on knowing several Sudanis, I think the life is OK, and can be very pleasant in major cities like Khartoum. The Sudanis I have known - mostly women - were highly educated, very cultured and quite sophisticated professional people.
In any case, almost anywhere would be an improvement over the conditions they have been forced to live in the refugee camps. They had quite a privileged existence in Saddam’s time - it was part of his self-aggrandizement in which he used Palestinians quite shamelessly. Of course, despite Iraqis’ naturally very strong general sympathy and support for the Palestinians, and for their struggle, it caused a lot of resentment, especially during the years of the sanctions, to see those non-Iraqis being provided better and easier lives by the Iraqi government than most Iraqis had. There were also stories - maybe true, maybe not - that some of the Palestinians were earning their keep by acting as spies for the regime. That, of course, added fuel to the fire after the regime ended.
Shirin, I believe you are right when you say that bushco and all don’t want to admit that there is a refugee crisis to save face. It is far worse than any of us could ever know. I think it is somewhat the same with the Katrina debacle that is a National Shame as well.
So many people displaced and in danger. I read that there is now an outbreak of cholera, as a result of lack of clean drinking water. I also read that it is estimated that up to 55,000 people a day are fleeing Iraq, and adding to the already 4.5 to 6 million people who have already left. The time has come for Congress to tell this cabal to bring home our troops, and stop this madness and insanity that seems to have no end…
Lies, lies, lies… that is all that we have heard from our king… and he wants to have us swallow the same lies once again, different country. can a people be this stupid to believe him and his minions once again??? So much good has come from this republic. I will be sorry to see its flames of hope for so many in the past, be extinguished by this menance to society. The International Red Cross has compiled a list of 13 war crimes Bush is guilty of, just in case he is tried in a Nuremberg trial. Soon, I pray.
Preacherlady:
So many people displaced and in danger. I read that there is now an outbreak of cholera, as a result of lack of clean drinking water. I also read that it is estimated that up to 55,000 people a day are fleeing Iraq,
My son tells us that the most important thing they can do is deliver bottled water to the Iraq people..esp.when he was in Haditha. (I think that is the spelling)
He is near…and i think this is proper logistics for our troops..near..the green zone.
We are not sure.. Leslie said you had 3 boys that went to Iraq. Our Communications are limited..Marineparents.com has been somewhat helpful.
Do you have any advice or websites that would be helpful?
Hi Hoosierhoops,
No, you misunderstood. I said PrchrLady has three sons who have gone to Iraq. Not sure how many are back now or if any will return?
I’m only acquainted with people who’ve gone there, and I’ve lost touch with them. One man was in his late fifties, and he was called back into active service early in the war, working with intelligence. Another man was an officer, in charge of others, and very worried about his men. He was a single father, and he kept returning to Iraq again and again.
The only websites I know about offhand that offer support are: Veterans Against the War
Military Families Speak Out
Vote Vets, Jon Soltz’s group
All these groups have links to other groups. I’m very resourceful at finding information, it’s something I do for a living…so let me know if you need more help?
“can a people be this stupid to believe him and his minions once again???”
It appears that they can.
Another big problem for potential Iraqi refugees to the US is the insane anti-Muslim hysteria that the rightwing is stirring up. It’s the only way they can possibly keep their justification for this unholy war going or try to build a case for what they want to do in the rest of the region. The refugees all look like terrorists to them. It also helps the administration build up their case for the war they want with Iran.
Yes, it’s insane. Yes, it’s immoral. Yes, it’s going to wreck this country as surely as it wrecks the Middle East. But when have they ever cared about anything except their own wealth and comfort?
Dear Winning Side,
I suppose this will shock you, frankly it shocks me, but I’m no longer rooting for “our side”. I really can’t believe that I can even admit it, it’s such a foreign notion to me, but it’s the honest truth.
I hope you will stay with me long enough to understand how I could possibly feel this way. When I was a girl my father was part of the air-lift operation in Germany and we were assigned there for about 12-14 months. It wasn’t very long after the war and much of the country was still in ruins. It never occured to me at the time, I was only 11 or so, but recently I wonder about the docility of the German population. Many of the depravations brought about by the war were still with them, we lived like kings compared to them, yet they showed no recentment, there were no incidents between occupiers and the occupied, no insurgency, no fleeing of the country to escape their fate. And it came to me that it was because they had been completely beaten and humiliated and not only accepted their fate but accepted that they were responsible in great part for that fate. Consequently, they were no longer a force to be reckoned with, nor have they been since. So, please bear with me a little longer, I have decided that the worst thing that could happen to America would be “winning” this war. No country on earth would ever be able to feel free of fear of invasion. Can you even imagine the unspeakable strutting and posturing of this president, if he were to be able to claim a victory? The unspeakable acts he would feel free to commit? This is our deserved momment of humiliation, we have earned it, we must accept it or learn to live with even more dispicable burdens on our already overburdened collective consciousness.
This is not to say that I don’t “support the troops” because I do, I support bringing them home alive. And leaving as many breathing Iraqis behind as possible, but no more fantasy tales of “victory” in Iraq. The only way we can “win in Iraq” is to accept that we have done a terrible thing to that country, to then get the hell out, and bring as many as want to come with us, and accept that we will spend the next 20 year paying reparations to rebuild Iraqs infrastructure. My greatgrandchildren will be paying for this obscenity.
“the worst thing that could happen to America would be “winning” this war.”
I would - in fact, have from the beginning - gone a step farther than this and say it would be the worst thing that could happen to the world, and to humankind.
“My greatgrandchildren will be paying for this obscenity.”
Yes, they will, but I am quite sure they will not be paying reparations to the victims of the crime. The Iraqis will never see a cent of reparation money. Your great grandchildren will be paying for the bombs, and other instruments of death and destruction that were purchased on borrowed money.
“….asking almost 3 Americans per day to die in Iraq? Not worth another drop of our blood….”
Thanks for the great analysis. I totally agree with the concluding, last paragraph of your piece (as with the rest of the piece). However, our soldiers are going there voluntarily, and fully knowing that this is an illegal war of occupation. They are making this continued disaster, including wasting $3 billion a week, possible. As such I can no longer support the troops.
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