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	<title>Comments on: Why the Pentagon Doesn’t Want Me to Testify About Abu Ghraib</title>
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		<title>By: Rchap</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/02/why-the-pentagon-doesn%e2%80%99t-want-me-to-testify-about-abu-ghraib/#comment-23165</link>
		<dc:creator>Rchap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/02/why-the-pentagon-doesn%e2%80%99t-want-me-to-testify-about-abu-ghraib/#comment-22632</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re refering to the &quot;fake news story&quot; comment, no worries. As far as I&#039;m concerned, that comment did its job and died a noble death. Anyone who puts a story here with no attribution, or makes one up, ought to be called on it. &quot;Other Tom&quot; was doing one or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re refering to the &#8220;fake news story&#8221; comment, no worries. As far as I&#8217;m concerned, that comment did its job and died a noble death. Anyone who puts a story here with no attribution, or makes one up, ought to be called on it. &#8220;Other Tom&#8221; was doing one or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: bjobotts</title>
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		<dc:creator>bjobotts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jews went after their torturers at the end of WWII so I will not be offended or defensive when Iraqis come after those who tortured them so enthusiastically.  Since they know we will not put them on trial or deal with them in a just manner I don&#039;t blame them for dealing with Rumsfeld and buddies according to their own justice, do you?  I only hope that innocent people here don&#039;t have to die or suffer in the process, though I&#039;m sure many Iraqis outside the prison suffered greatly.
Sometimes, unseen, Justice comes in most unexpected and devastating ways.  Your comments were most accurate and appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jews went after their torturers at the end of WWII so I will not be offended or defensive when Iraqis come after those who tortured them so enthusiastically.  Since they know we will not put them on trial or deal with them in a just manner I don&#8217;t blame them for dealing with Rumsfeld and buddies according to their own justice, do you?  I only hope that innocent people here don&#8217;t have to die or suffer in the process, though I&#8217;m sure many Iraqis outside the prison suffered greatly.<br />
Sometimes, unseen, Justice comes in most unexpected and devastating ways.  Your comments were most accurate and appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cujo,
Sorry, when I erased Ralph aka Other Tom aka Zeus aka Zogby aka....comment as spam, it also erased your reply to him. Apparently replies to spam are automatically erased also. If you see another Other Tom comment, and want to reply to him, use the &lt;strong&gt;post a comment&lt;/strong&gt; feature instead of reply to comment, OK? Meanwhile, if I see a &quot;reply to comment&quot; to Other Tom, I&#039;ll save it next time and repost it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cujo,<br />
Sorry, when I erased Ralph aka Other Tom aka Zeus aka Zogby aka&#8230;.comment as spam, it also erased your reply to him. Apparently replies to spam are automatically erased also. If you see another Other Tom comment, and want to reply to him, use the <strong>post a comment</strong> feature instead of reply to comment, OK? Meanwhile, if I see a &#8220;reply to comment&#8221; to Other Tom, I&#8217;ll save it next time and repost it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/02/why-the-pentagon-doesn%e2%80%99t-want-me-to-testify-about-abu-ghraib/#comment-22536</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is posting fake news articles like this a new trend in right wing trolling?</description>
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		<title>By: Centrocitta</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/02/why-the-pentagon-doesn%e2%80%99t-want-me-to-testify-about-abu-ghraib/#comment-22483</link>
		<dc:creator>Centrocitta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know when Congress is going to start calling the civilians to testify at it&#039;s many hearings.  You know, the ordinary, every day, law abiding citizen who may have had his life ruined or nearly ruined because he happened to be an innocent by-stander in the wrong place at the wrong time and now being expected to just LIVE with it.  Something tells me there are plenty of these types waiting to come out of the woodwork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know when Congress is going to start calling the civilians to testify at it&#8217;s many hearings.  You know, the ordinary, every day, law abiding citizen who may have had his life ruined or nearly ruined because he happened to be an innocent by-stander in the wrong place at the wrong time and now being expected to just LIVE with it.  Something tells me there are plenty of these types waiting to come out of the woodwork.</p>
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		<title>By: wethornet</title>
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		<dc:creator>wethornet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 06:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is inexplicable to me why the dem. congress won&#039;t call sam provance, karen kwiatowski, sam gardiner, etc.

disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is inexplicable to me why the dem. congress won&#8217;t call sam provance, karen kwiatowski, sam gardiner, etc.</p>
<p>disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/02/why-the-pentagon-doesn%e2%80%99t-want-me-to-testify-about-abu-ghraib/#comment-22359</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zogby, AKA Winning Side, AKA Tom, has been setting records for dishonesty and obtuseness. Given some of the trolls I&#039;ve encountered here and elsewhere, that&#039;s saying something. It looks like the process of banning him has removed his post there, along with my response and LJ&#039;s, but he wrote comments there under two different pseudonyms in the &quot;The Price of Progress&quot; article, meanwhile accusing Larry of intellectual dishonesty.

No Quarter is better off to be rid of him, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zogby, AKA Winning Side, AKA Tom, has been setting records for dishonesty and obtuseness. Given some of the trolls I&#8217;ve encountered here and elsewhere, that&#8217;s saying something. It looks like the process of banning him has removed his post there, along with my response and LJ&#8217;s, but he wrote comments there under two different pseudonyms in the &#8220;The Price of Progress&#8221; article, meanwhile accusing Larry of intellectual dishonesty.</p>
<p>No Quarter is better off to be rid of him, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Michael,
I wasn&#039;t able to ban Zogby and save his comment, I&#039;m still learning. The comment is now gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Michael,<br />
I wasn&#8217;t able to ban Zogby and save his comment, I&#8217;m still learning. The comment is now gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gass</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/02/why-the-pentagon-doesn%e2%80%99t-want-me-to-testify-about-abu-ghraib/#comment-22339</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Gass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually wish Mr. Johnson would have left the comments made by &quot;Zogby&quot;.

They would have been proof positive that Republican hacks troll the internet blogs spouting whatever nonsense they think they must to silence and discredit those who speak the truth.

For the record, one of the removed comments by Zogby was that they wouldn&#039;t let Mr. JOHNSON testify... except... the article is about Sam Provance not being allowed to testify, not Mr. Johnson.

I&#039;d have left the comments in place so he could be rightfully ridiculed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually wish Mr. Johnson would have left the comments made by &#8220;Zogby&#8221;.</p>
<p>They would have been proof positive that Republican hacks troll the internet blogs spouting whatever nonsense they think they must to silence and discredit those who speak the truth.</p>
<p>For the record, one of the removed comments by Zogby was that they wouldn&#8217;t let Mr. JOHNSON testify&#8230; except&#8230; the article is about Sam Provance not being allowed to testify, not Mr. Johnson.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have left the comments in place so he could be rightfully ridiculed!</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/02/why-the-pentagon-doesn%e2%80%99t-want-me-to-testify-about-abu-ghraib/#comment-22338</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zogby was none other than Other Tom,
Susan ordered him to be gone and he&#039;s gone...banned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zogby was none other than Other Tom,<br />
Susan ordered him to be gone and he&#8217;s gone&#8230;banned.</p>
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		<title>By: JerseyJeffersonian</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/02/why-the-pentagon-doesn%e2%80%99t-want-me-to-testify-about-abu-ghraib/#comment-22337</link>
		<dc:creator>JerseyJeffersonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zogby, old sport, the one desiring to have the chance to testify in the prosecutions of the officers alleged to have been involved in abuses at Abu Ghraib is not Larry Johnson.  Sorry to have to be the one to break it to you, but the one who wants to have the opportunity to testify is - wait for it - Sam Provance, the former sergeant who served at Abu Ghraib.  Follow the chain if you will: Sam Provance, former non-commissioned officer writes a post; Alternet puts this post into circulation on the internet; SusanUnPC, thinking that this posting might be of interest to visitors to this blog, acquires the right to repost the article on noquarter. That&#039;s right, ace, that&#039;s why the phrase &quot;reprinted with permission&quot; appears in the fourth line of the post, right after the credits for both the authorship of the article, and for the website which originally posted it to the internet.  You see, the title of the article refers to the frustration of the AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE IN QUESTION with not having been called to testify in connection with the &quot;investigation&quot; and &quot;trials&quot; appended thereto despite his having witnessed crucial events during his duty posting to Abu Ghraib himself.  Larry Johnson didn&#039;t write the article, Larry Johnson didn&#039;t originally post the article to the internet, Larry Johnson didn&#039;t even secure the permission to re-post it on noquarter, SusanUnPC did.  So, Larry Johnson had nothing to do with the article, from its inception to its appearance on noquarter.  So basically, your posting at 20:19:25 is completely without foundation.  You HAVE exposed your prejudices; but still more tellingly, you have revealed yourself to be incapable of absorbing information right in front of your face.  Tell you what, spittle boy, when you have mastered that skill, why don&#039;t you come back and have your ass handed to you on your INTERPRETIVE skills, too.  I&#039;m sure you will find plenty of takers for this task, as easy as it may prove to be.  Until then, take your gratuitous insults towards the host of this site, and push off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zogby, old sport, the one desiring to have the chance to testify in the prosecutions of the officers alleged to have been involved in abuses at Abu Ghraib is not Larry Johnson.  Sorry to have to be the one to break it to you, but the one who wants to have the opportunity to testify is &#8211; wait for it &#8211; Sam Provance, the former sergeant who served at Abu Ghraib.  Follow the chain if you will: Sam Provance, former non-commissioned officer writes a post; Alternet puts this post into circulation on the internet; SusanUnPC, thinking that this posting might be of interest to visitors to this blog, acquires the right to repost the article on noquarter. That&#8217;s right, ace, that&#8217;s why the phrase &#8220;reprinted with permission&#8221; appears in the fourth line of the post, right after the credits for both the authorship of the article, and for the website which originally posted it to the internet.  You see, the title of the article refers to the frustration of the AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE IN QUESTION with not having been called to testify in connection with the &#8220;investigation&#8221; and &#8220;trials&#8221; appended thereto despite his having witnessed crucial events during his duty posting to Abu Ghraib himself.  Larry Johnson didn&#8217;t write the article, Larry Johnson didn&#8217;t originally post the article to the internet, Larry Johnson didn&#8217;t even secure the permission to re-post it on noquarter, SusanUnPC did.  So, Larry Johnson had nothing to do with the article, from its inception to its appearance on noquarter.  So basically, your posting at 20:19:25 is completely without foundation.  You HAVE exposed your prejudices; but still more tellingly, you have revealed yourself to be incapable of absorbing information right in front of your face.  Tell you what, spittle boy, when you have mastered that skill, why don&#8217;t you come back and have your ass handed to you on your INTERPRETIVE skills, too.  I&#8217;m sure you will find plenty of takers for this task, as easy as it may prove to be.  Until then, take your gratuitous insults towards the host of this site, and push off.</p>
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		<title>By: SusanUnPC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/02/why-the-pentagon-doesn%e2%80%99t-want-me-to-testify-about-abu-ghraib/#comment-22330</link>
		<dc:creator>SusanUnPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Begone, fool.</description>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Zogby.  Once you have driven all the able bodied into refugee status, the disabled old men and women and children don&#039;t put up much of a fight.  Why, I believe at My Lai the only injury to soldiers was someone who shot himself in the foot - but they were able to kill hundreds and hundreds by taking that fight to the enemy. 

Sure, now and then there would be a two yo toddler who would, shrieking, try to crawl out of the kill pits when the first round of bullets missed him, but just like we are developing now in Iraq - we had intrepid soldiers like Calley who were able to grab that child, toss him back in and kill him, all without injury.  

Booyah. 

Soldiers eventually fit the face of their commanding officers.  That happened in Vietnam and it has happened in Iraq and whether the officers are named Ware or Mattis or Fay - they all know a thing or two about reconciliation that they can teach the Iraqis.

First - you forgive yourself for your own atrocities.  Then you give a medal to those who cover them up.  Then you attack those who reveal them.  Then you re-write history and bury the bodies deep, with no names - dehumanized for all of time. And you make despised those who stood for doing the right thing.

The Fays are helping to insure an army of Calleys and not of Thompsons. That really is the only reason to stay in Iraq.  To reshape the military in that image. God bless all those who have fought with honor to try to prevent that.  There&#039;s nothing to say for the leadership who have done the opposite.  No prayer that won&#039;t recoil from having their names invoked.  They&#039;ve damaged America as much as they have Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Zogby.  Once you have driven all the able bodied into refugee status, the disabled old men and women and children don&#8217;t put up much of a fight.  Why, I believe at My Lai the only injury to soldiers was someone who shot himself in the foot &#8211; but they were able to kill hundreds and hundreds by taking that fight to the enemy. </p>
<p>Sure, now and then there would be a two yo toddler who would, shrieking, try to crawl out of the kill pits when the first round of bullets missed him, but just like we are developing now in Iraq &#8211; we had intrepid soldiers like Calley who were able to grab that child, toss him back in and kill him, all without injury.  </p>
<p>Booyah. </p>
<p>Soldiers eventually fit the face of their commanding officers.  That happened in Vietnam and it has happened in Iraq and whether the officers are named Ware or Mattis or Fay &#8211; they all know a thing or two about reconciliation that they can teach the Iraqis.</p>
<p>First &#8211; you forgive yourself for your own atrocities.  Then you give a medal to those who cover them up.  Then you attack those who reveal them.  Then you re-write history and bury the bodies deep, with no names &#8211; dehumanized for all of time. And you make despised those who stood for doing the right thing.</p>
<p>The Fays are helping to insure an army of Calleys and not of Thompsons. That really is the only reason to stay in Iraq.  To reshape the military in that image. God bless all those who have fought with honor to try to prevent that.  There&#8217;s nothing to say for the leadership who have done the opposite.  No prayer that won&#8217;t recoil from having their names invoked.  They&#8217;ve damaged America as much as they have Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing about bush prior to his election indicates he understands the concept of &#039;honor&#039;.  His cowardice in running from Vietnam, lying about his records, on and on, tell of his character or lack thereof.  Much worse, his dishonor has become a malignant disease, spreading throughout the leadership, seemingly infecting even the opposition, who can&#039;t seem to find the gumption to ship bush off to the Hague where he deserves to hang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing about bush prior to his election indicates he understands the concept of &#8216;honor&#8217;.  His cowardice in running from Vietnam, lying about his records, on and on, tell of his character or lack thereof.  Much worse, his dishonor has become a malignant disease, spreading throughout the leadership, seemingly infecting even the opposition, who can&#8217;t seem to find the gumption to ship bush off to the Hague where he deserves to hang.</p>
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