Interesting stuff.

disgusting.

No Quarter is better off to be rid of him, I think.

They would have been proof positive that Republican hacks troll the internet blogs spouting whatever nonsense they think they must to silence and discredit those who speak the truth.

For the record, one of the removed comments by Zogby was that they wouldn’t let Mr. JOHNSON testify… except… the article is about Sam Provance not being allowed to testify, not Mr. Johnson.

I’d have left the comments in place so he could be rightfully ridiculed!

Sure, now and then there would be a two yo toddler who would, shrieking, try to crawl out of the kill pits when the first round of bullets missed him, but just like we are developing now in Iraq - we had intrepid soldiers like Calley who were able to grab that child, toss him back in and kill him, all without injury.

Booyah.

Soldiers eventually fit the face of their commanding officers. That happened in Vietnam and it has happened in Iraq and whether the officers are named Ware or Mattis or Fay - they all know a thing or two about reconciliation that they can teach the Iraqis.

First - you forgive yourself for your own atrocities. Then you give a medal to those who cover them up. Then you attack those who reveal them. Then you re-write history and bury the bodies deep, with no names - dehumanized for all of time. And you make despised those who stood for doing the right thing.

The Fays are helping to insure an army of Calleys and not of Thompsons. That really is the only reason to stay in Iraq. To reshape the military in that image. God bless all those who have fought with honor to try to prevent that. There’s nothing to say for the leadership who have done the opposite. No prayer that won’t recoil from having their names invoked. They’ve damaged America as much as they have Iraq.

But in connection with Provance, a huge part of his time was directed towards, not just the retaliation against him (after guys like Lindsay Graham made a pretense of interest so they could better participate in the later legislative cover up), but also towards his direct testimony about the issues involving MI as opposed to MP and the more substantial and seemingly directly authorized up the chain abuses in which MI engaged.

Shays made all kinds of noises about being shocked, concerned, convinced, etc. and he scolded the IGs etc. But a few months later, while in campaing mode, Shays made the incredible statements about Abu Ghraib just being a “sex ring.” Nothing about all the info he had been exposed to on the MI aspects - the “GITMO”-ization, the abuse of a child of a detainee. Nothing about, even, the fact that 80-90% of those at Abu Ghraib had no business being there at all, but they were treated just the same - with degredation, humiliation and pain all for the sake of inflicting. He never mentioned the months of family members sobbing outside of Abu Ghraib, without any ability to even find out if their missing family members were dead or at Abu Ghraib or dead at Abu Ghraib.

No ability until Rumsfeld arrived - post picture release - and like Nero exercised the perogative of the king and authorized the release, without apology, of hundred and hundred.

They have dealt with their torture and war crimes and abuse and joint degredation of the Iraqi people and the US forces by making sure that they have better control over the pictures.

I was trained to operate and assigned to a domestic Army confinement facility at Fort Huachuca AZ, and am intimately familiar with the rules and regulations which govern prisoners of war, non-combatant internees and others who might have been confined to Abu Ghraib. I am also familiar with the axiom that an officer is responsible for the care and conduct of all of those under his command. All of the officers and non-commissioned officers involved directly in this matter, save Sergeant Provance, have obviously failed in their duties to prevent such abuse, and report it if discovered.

While the bad acts of these supervisors and commanders don’t lessen the bad acts of the enlisted personnel who participated in or conducted torture, it is pitiful that a few lower ranking personnel should be held accountable when all indications are that the unlawful orders to engage in such activities came through their commanders and supervisors, and originated at the highest levels of the Department of Defense. Secretary Rumsfeld, Undersecretary Wolfowitz and others should be held accountable for these crimes. Sadly, it seems that such shall not be the case. Members of Congress should be ashamed that they have not taken affirmative steps to investigate and hold accountable those members of the administrative branch who encouraged and demanded this heinous conduct.

We are clearly as bad, or worse, than the enemies we fight in this faux ‘war on terrorism.’

We don’t even know how many prisons like Abu Ghraib exist in Iraq, Eastern Europe and elsewhere, which we created. We don’t know how many people have been unfairly incarcerated, tortured, denied their rights under the Geneva Convention, etc.