Staging Nukes for Iran?

Good post, Larry, and it is exactly my question.

There is no way the weapons would have moved without a top-level [in this case I would guess the Decider, since he has the football, but certainly no lower than SecDef] directive to do so, because of treaty obligations dating to the Cold War, because of the potential for really big problems in the wrong hands or if there’s a crash during transport. There are radiological reports needed because of the gamma activity inherent from the design of these things, dealing with where they went, who was exposed, how much dose, etc., which requires a monitored crew [not necessarily the next ones in the flight line]. As you probably already know, things like this are most vulnerable to interdiction in transit.

The “joy ride” or mistake scenarios would end the careers of every person even remotely attached to the weapons, because of the many layers of control and clearances even to remove them from storage. There are ways to ID these things IF you see them AND know what to look for. Hard to do as a casual observer hanging around inside a B-52 on either airbase, so this was what I’d call a “cry for help” leak (if it wasn’t orchestrated, see next para) like the GAO report was to highlight the WH “tweaking” to come.

This is at the least a shot across the Iranian bow to remind them we have the big boomers and will use them, saber rattling on steroids if you will. Or, W really means it. I don’t think either are very good options.

Yes, Larry, you are right. Some very serious questions need to be asked and right now… I hope that you have contacted anyone in the media you might have an inside with, and put them on to this… How about CNN and Olbermann??? any chance of getting to one of their people?

From FAS: “Beyond the safety issue of transporting nuclear weapons in the air, the most important implication of the Minot incident is the apparent break-down of nuclear command and control for the custody of the nuclear weapons. Pilots (or anyone else) are not supposed to just fly off with nuclear bombs, and base commanders are not supposed to tell them to do so unless so ordered by higher command. In the best of circumstances the system worked, and someone “upstairs” actually authorized the transport of nuclear cruise missiles on a B-52H bomber.”

Sorry, but I have trouble seeing someone “upstairs” authorizing the movement of nuclear weapons to a Middle East staging base as “the best of circumstances”. I see it as deeply, deeply frightening.

These people are crazy, and someone or something has to stop them.

I believe the story was originally reported in the Army Times here.

Nuclear Threat Initiative points out that the “US abandoned all nuclear-armed bomber flights in 1968,” due to the risk of radioactive fissile material being distributed in case of a crash. In 1991, Bushie Sr. ordered that nuclear weapons be removed from bombers and kept in storage facilities. [Armed bombers used to be kept on alert on the ground.]

So, this accident, flying live nuclear weapons across the US, violates multiple layers of command and control systems and also four decades of policy. What are the odds? How can the military say with a straight face that all nukes are accounted for? If these weapons were being decommissioned, why fly them to another air force base, which is getting rid of its ACMs?

Hard to believe this was just an “accident” considering the timing and this is the first time I can remember hearing about something like this happening “accidentally.”

I suspect these could end up in the Arabian Gulf.

Time for the tin-foil beanie.

Mistake, nukes in the pipeline or what? Leaked info by someone to alert the public to a Bush Tonkin, or intentional manipulation/leak to make the public more nervous? It’s cuddling up right next to Germany’s swoop down on “massive bomb” making terrorists right now on Yahoo news. Wonderful agitprop placement. I’m stymied.

Not bunker-busters, right?

All the water-testing we’ve heard from the administration over the past few years has been aimed at judging public reaction to the use, specifically, of bunker-penetrating nukes, which I believe are air-dropped guided gravity bombs (exclusively?). These are air-launched cruise missiles. So if I’m not mistaken in my assumptions this indicates either that the theory is unlikely and these are not being staged, or that they are staging nukes to be used beyond the bunker-busting mission.

When I heard about this, I though the same thing. CNN was reporting it as ‘accidental’, that the missiles were going to Barksdale to be scrapped, and that it was an accident that the warheads were still on them. My reaction was ‘no way, they know d*mned well those are armed. They’re trying to sneak them out for an attack.’

I don’t know whether to be glad I’m agreeing with you or p*ssed that we’re going to be on the receiving end of a whole lot of really really bad stuff if these @#$%^&* actually attack Iran with nukes. Conventional weapons would be bad enough ….

Note to Pelosi and Reid: Get off your behinds and give the idiots cheney and bush impeachment to think about, instead of Iran. You hold the fate of the world in your hands.

The possibility of unintendedly shipping nukes is ZERO. Can’t happen.

[...] UPDATE: Looks like ex-spy Larry Johnson had the same take as I did, just a few hours (and inside contacts) later. Check it out at Staging Nukes for Iran? [...]

It looks to me as if the only way to stop these lunatics is by beginning impeachment proceedings immediately. Whether the impeachment succeeds or not is irrelevant at this point. Whether they use nukes on Iran or just “ordinary” bombs, this is a very serious emergency.

Writing notes to Reid and Pelosi in the comment section of a blog is nice, but useless.

What can we do - actually do?

I worked on nuclear submarines for the Navy at Mare Island Naval shipyard for 20 years. As a Nuc worker I handled nuclear material and weapons for 15 of those years. The controls on weapons and nuclear fuel is insanely tight.. This story just CAN’T happen. The amount of people involved in logistics..Code 105 radcon, Engineers, Nuclear riggers, Code 1390 Engineers..Gawd the paperwork involved for anyone of the groups to sign off on.
This story is impossible.. Something else is afoot..
Who signed off and who told them too?
AND WHY do we need to be moving nuclear weapons unless a logistics operation is underway?
IT JUST DOESN’T HAPPEN…They don’t just move weapons from Minot for the hell of it..
Ring…
hello?
hey..we are a little low on thermonuclear tipped weapons this week..
OK, we’ll send you a few..
Make it 6
OK
_____________________________________
It doesn’t happen!!!!

Maybe the leak was by the Bush adminstration itself? Maybe they want to scare the Iranians. They want the Iranians to think that they are moving nukes over to the middle east. Use the threat as leverage. Could be part of a larger strategy, which also involves the position of those two carrier groups off Iran.

Or maybe they are really moving nukes over to the middle east to be prepared if they have to use them if there is ever another terrorist attack in the U.S. that can be traced to the region, although you would think they already have plenty of cruise missiles over there now, and, therefore why wouldn’t they also already have nuclear tipped ones also there now as well?

This whole iran situation reminds me of Ismail kadares “the concert”. it’s awork of fiction but it talks about how Mao used to create situations where people were constantly guessing at what they meant, watching his gestures for signs that some sort of action was going to take place. interpretting alot of innoucous words. not that there is anything innocous about 5 nukes. more than bush is like mao. i’ve even taken to calling Gen. petraous’s 9/11 testimony “the concert”

I have heard from several vets of this war that they are afraid of being in the last groups there… when asked why they say because they know that to gain control of the land, it will have to be with nukes. This, as many have said, was not an accident. never would have happened… the neocons have something up their sleves, and it stinks to high heaven. Needs LOTS of Media ATTENTION. IMPEACH NOW…

I vote for a leak by a concerned Zoomie who has finally learned that he’s working for nutcases.

DoD doesn’t even move a pallet of 5.56mm round ball without eleven forms filled out in triplicate and endorsed by a Field Grade officer.

Not even the Air Force could screw this pooch…

[...] from former CIA agent Larry Johnson over at his blog: Why the hubbub over a B-52 taking off from a B-52 base in Minot, North Dakota and [...]

As a former Airforce aircraft mechanic I was stunned when I heard the report that nukes had inadvertantly been loaded on a B-52 and flown across country. It would be a mistake of staggering porportions if this had happened by mistake. Anyone who is familiar with Airforce proceedures regarding even the simplist of proceedures where aircraft are concerned would know that it would be all but impossible to make this kind of mistake.

Those who work on the line are some of the most profesional men and women I have ever known. Every one of them understand the inherent risks that are involved in this kind of work and follow the proceedures accordingly. With the many layers of control that exist in this kind of work, there are too many individuals that have to sign off on anything that is done. Even more so when handling weapons of any kind.

Clearly someone on the inside wanted us to know this had happened

yes, agree, not by any of the air force, or any other branch. couldn’t happen without direct plan and compliance of large numbers of people. I read that the people responsible for loading/handling have been detained, air crew ‘didn’t know so not involved’ yeah, right. 5 or 6 warheads loaded, and they didn’t know? what happened to the days of pre flight checks? what do we do with a CIC who is this sick, and no one seems able to stop him???

As a former Army EOD officer, I remember NOBODY touches a nuke with out many levels of command double checking on things, and signing off on multiple forms, and with the requirement of asecond person to double check each moveit is incredulas to thnk this cold be accidental.

I don’treally know which is truly the scarier senario …

Bush and Cheney are intentionally planning a nuke strike on Iran…

Or they have screwed up the military so bad, that the military can LOSE five nukes and nobody knows about it until they are found in a different state, in an uauthorised place with NO control over who as custody of the nuclear weapons. (because the pilot and flight commander did not sign for live active nuclear weapons according to the “official story” put out at this moment )…

sleep well tonight thinking this is the military george bush commands…..

“if they have to use them

If they have to use them?! If they HAVE to use them?!! IF THEY HAVE TO USE THEM?!!!!!

Are you out of your mind? NO ONE has to use them. No one ever has to use them.

And using nukes in case of a terrorist attack is like using a half ton bomb to swat a fly.

What an insane, insane thing to say.

I agree with every statement, sickening trying to figure out the real reason for the leak. once again, this admin. makes whomever they are using take the fall, as if i’m to believe the AF are a bunch of baffoons. My husband is a former AF pilot and this whole thing stinks and we all know it. Flightline activity is very controlled and professional, I agree, so this is no accident. Once again, the American people are treated as idiots. What is it going to take to reign in these maniacs?

When will there be a confirmed bomb count? Were there five aboard? Six? Eight or more?

How come Louisiana? Is it closer to get to the ME from here?

And yeah, how exactly does a pilot not know he has nukes on board? They do inspections every time before they fly. Something smells.

Larry,
First off, I think this is part of the propaganda campaign. Nothing emphasizes testicle retracting fear than having Dad and junior watching “Freedom” flying overhead only to be told that that particular piece of hardware was carrying nukes.
Also, I find it rather disingeuous of the government to be “oh deary me” about this since it happens all the freaking time.
People, think, for crying out loud. If the warheads are made in…hmm…well, if they’re not made in the Dakotas, they had to be transported there…somehow..which makes this all a little…suspicious to say the least.

So here’s my take on it all: This is to reinforce Cheney’s propaganda message by tangential association to the fear of Iranian nuclear ambitions, by establishing a baseline of a military aircraft, loaded for bear (and Larry, a porter-house steak and a liter of brown ale that says they were missing their triggers!) flying nukes overhead.
I can hear it now : “Yes America, if you think that was scary, imagine what it would be like if it were…IRANIANS BOMBERS WITH NUKES OVERHEAD, ATTACK THEM NOW!”

This is pure, unadulterated Rovian bullsh*t, and people need to put their spoons and cups down before they swallow any more of this crap.

Don’t let Bush and the Republicans scare you.

When will there be a confirmed bomb count? Were there five aboard? Six? Eight or more?

Count the “mushrooms” growing over an in the morning,

(seriously sick snark off)

when is the military brass going to grow set of balls and oust these insane leaders or AT LEAST refuse the orders? what the fuck? isn’t there ANYTHING in the way of protocol in place ( just in case) the man at the helm is a fucking psychopath? hypothetically, If our president was Adolph Hitler would our military follow that fuck nut down crazy street or stand up and say once and for all and say NO? It doesn’t seem these men of valor have the right stuff. wrong is wrong no matter who tells you to do it. end of story. saying you just did your job doesn’t cut it AFTER you’ve started WW3.
Whoever is in the military that reads this this is not a stab at you, just your leaders who have checked out of the sanity Hotel.

One reason for tight control of any nuke, beside the very small danger of a low yield explosion, is the psychological impact of any nuclear accident. Seems to me scaring people for what ever reason is right up bush/cheney’s alley. Just need somebody to figure out the “play”.

If this were a bad science fiction novel, the next event in the storyline would be the determination that two or more nukes have been “kidnapped” somewhere in-transit. After that, the kidnappers would detonate one of the missing nukes in or nearby a city within the continental USA. After that, the kidnappers would make demands of some sort. After that, Bruce Willis would drive into the kidnappers’ stronghold in a battered ‘87 Ford pickup, kill them all, and then hand carry the nuke(s) to safety.

The point of this absurd synopsis is to observe in public that the current progression of events is trending towards the discovery that two or more nukes are “missing”.

Here’s an interesting take on attacking Iran.

We Are Going To Hit Iran. Bigtime.

It sure looks like War from this post.

God Bless.

Good comments all. So, we could probably agree there’s no good outcome for this either if we continue on the course this is following now.

One reason there is extreme accountability (aside from the safety issues and so on already noted above) is that we have to keep the Russians in the loop on where weapons are and where they go. It’s part of the SALT and START treaties in terms of the verifications of allowed weapons. The Non-Proliferation Treaty also has something on this as well. If W is blowing off Putie-poot as well, there will be serious trouble ahead. Putin has a mean streak, has a high level of nationalistic pride, and has already shown he can “do things” as well to those he doesn’t like. Remember the last round of nastiness about the anti-missile batteries in the ex-Warsaw Pact countries. Add to that the joint exercises with the Chinese, and there’s a nasty little stew brewing.

No accident that these were moved, and so the question is did the WH want it out in the news or not?

As for the possibility that someone spotted the difference at Barksdale as the plane was landing, it is possible, I suppose, but I would bet the difference would be more noticeable on the ground. From photos I’ve seen, the warheads on these ACMs are bulkhead-mounted at the nose, so that conventional and nuclear warheads can be interchanged according to perceived need. There are probably differences in length, housing shape, etc. at the nose end. Those would likely not be noticed from a distance when the plane is in the air or landing.

That said, I also find it extremely odd that the Air Force would say that these weapons were destined for retirement, when, in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion, there were reports that the services had expended a huge portion of the cruise missile inventory–so much so that the reserve capacity was being described as critical (below about 25% of normal), and the manufacturers were all running three shifts to bring stocks back up to acceptable levels. (That may be one principal reason why we haven’t seen a massive attack on Iran yet–the services may still be building up stocks.)

Why throw out 400 ACMs when your reserves of same were threatened in the last big aerial assault?

If they were due for retirement/dismantling, is that function normally performed at Barksdale? That would at least verify that a mistake could have been made. It would make much more sense that they go to Davis-Monthan, where they could be dry-stored, or sent over to the manufacturer in Arizona by truck for scavenging.

All very odd, indeed.

The ACMs were reported to be among a stockpile of 400 destined to be decommissioned

maybe they thought the paperwork would mark them as decommissioned and they could then be disappeared into a private stash!

Let’s not forget the $4.5b bet against the European stock market which expires in late September. Are these events linked?

I think they might have been planning this before Iraq.

And knowing a few people in the military, there is a lot of grumbling..

Well, we need a whole lot more than grumbling right now from those who may be in a position to put a stop to this insanity.

Try this–Nukes meant to be reloaded on a phonie Iran plane and dropped on us–like 911. These bastUrds kill their own

A number of military careers have been permanently affected by the incident and the command response. I doubt seriously that all affected personnel will stay mum forever. If there is even the appearance of scapegoating, displeasure among Air Force officers will be enormous; some of them may have something to say publicly.

Whatever happened will be hard to spin. I wonder how many official efforts we’ll get.

Hullabaloo, a top-notch blog, has picked up Larry’s story.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/bush-like-big-bang-bang-by-tristero.html

Snippet (the blogger is talking to himself - his name is Tristero):

Oh, come on, tristero. That’s just bizarre paranoia. Surely, you’re not implying that Bush’s is so anxious to drop The Bomb that his administration is simply scouring the world to find an excuse, are you? Not even Bush - hell, not even Cheney! - are that insanely immature.

Oh yes, they are and that’s exactly what I’m saying. And I’ve been saying it for quite a while now. If you think he isn’t that childishly insane, you haven’t seriously attended to Bush’s (and his cronies’) numerous examples of seriously infantile and irresponsible behavior and statements. Hey, remember when Bush called the Afghanistan war a “crusade?” Or “Bring ‘em on!” Or “joking” that it would be a helluva lot easier to rule if the US was a dictatorship and Bush was the dictator? Or the strutting codpiece?

But let’s not argue about this. You think Bush is too much of a grown-up not to lust for the big bang-bang, I disagree, but I won’t argue. Because there’s something more important afoot. And that is finding a good reason for the transportation of nuclear weapons to a military base conducting Middle East operations.

In an update, he notes that Bush/SecDef Gates are monitoring this, but asks:

The only questions is this: Are they investigating the “mistake” or the leak?

Apparently, the tritium wasn’t loaded in the warheads, so they couldn’t be detonated. Of more concern to me is the statement in the Military Times article, “Air Combat Command will have a command-wide mission standdown Sept. 14 to review their procedures in response to this oversight.” Neocons say that a “date certain” withdrawal from Iraq helps Al Quaeda by giving them a date after which they can attack with impunity. If that’s true, how much worse is it that the Air Force announced that all flights of fighters and bombers in the United States will be halted on September 14?

My swag scenario:

Pure, unadulterated black propaganda by Deadeye and his uber-loyal Cheneyites. The propaganda ball bounces thusly:

1. No nukes ever left their storage facilities and the “story” that a B-52 flew ‘em from ND to LA is a deliberate fiction meant for US and Foriegn media publication.

2. Assumes that Iran knows full well that Barksdale, LA is in fact staging area for B-52 Mideast bombing runs.

3. Assumes that Iran knows full well that US nuke arming procedures are “fail-safed” with N-squared signoff and authorization processes.

4. Assumes that Iran knows full well that “if” nukes were loaded, they damm well were authorized by the “highest command authority”.

I think a message in a nuclear bottle was being sent.

Based on all the comments by us veterans, this either really didn’t happen and is instead black propaganda meant to saber-rattle at Iran, or the NCA (National Command Authority) has really been taken over by Dr. Strangelove.

[...] Hmmmm. [...]

Like I said about those nukes……

You can’t simply “accidentally” load nukes onto a B-2 bomber and fly them to another base. Furthermore, how the hell did this get out?

After about two dozen calls from people asking me basically WTF is going, I can say that I honestly don’t know. …

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Come on LJwake up, haven’t you heard, if we don’t fight them there we’ll have to fight them over here.

“On the next president’s watch, our country will make decisions that will affect our lives and our families far into the future,” Fred Thompson said in the ad, which aired on Fox News Channel. “We can’t allow ourselves to become a weaker, less prosperous and more divided nation.”

That’s all I need to know.

Edwards for President in ‘08

just came off a road trip, read larry’s post, haven’t read the 51 comments….
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“The Cheerleader From Andover Strikes Again.” (wethornet headline.)

Overheard in Australia, Bush tells minister ‘we’re kicking ass’ in Iraq

John Byrne
Raw Story
Wednesday, September 5, 2007

Things are going well in Iraq, according to President George W. Bush.

Upon his arrival in Sydney Wednesday, Deputy Australian Prime Minister Mark Vaile “inquired politely” about his stopover in the war-torn country.

“We’re kicking ass,” Bush said.

The remark was overheard by a reporter for the Sydney Morning Herald and caught by an Australian blog.

here’s the link for the rest of the story.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/050907_b_ass.htm

[...] Larry Johnson Why the hubbub over a B-52 taking off from a B-52 base in Minot, North Dakota and subsequently landing at a B-52 base in Barksdale, Louisiana? That’s like getting excited if you see a postal worker in uniform walking out of a post office. And how does someone watching a B-52 land identify the cruise missiles as nukes? It just does not make sense. So I called a old friend and retired B-52 pilot and asked him. What he told me offers one compelling case of circumstantial evidence. My buddy, let’s call him Jack D. Ripper, reminded me that the only times you put weapons on a plane is when they are on alert or if you are tasked to move the weapons to a specific site. Then he told me something I had not heard before. Barksdale Air Force Base is being used as a jumping off point for Middle East operations. Gee, why would we want cruise missile nukes at Barksdale Air Force Base. Can’t imagine we would need to use them in Iraq. Why would we want to preposition nuclear weapons at a base conducting Middle East operations? His final point was to observe that someone on the inside obviously leaked the info that the planes were carrying nukes. A B-52 landing at Barksdale is a non-event. A B-52 landing with nukes. That is something else. Now maybe there is an innocent explanation for this? I can’t think of one. What is certain is that the pilots of this plane did not just make a last minute decision to strap on some nukes and take them for a joy ride. We need some tough questions and clear answers. What the hell is going on? Did someone at Barksdale try to indirectly warn the American people that the Bush Administration is staging nukes for Iran? I don’t know, but it is a question worth asking. [...]

There are others who have said this, but, I will as well: there is no way that they “didn’t know” they were carrying live missiles. It is an impossibility.

The weapons would have been stored in a bunker and only certain people would have had access. Any ordnance that is removed is cataloged and signed for. The runway crews would have been informed. The ordnance would have been escorted to the plane by a band of security forces. The crew chief would have known what was being loaded. The pilots would have been informed. etc… etc… etc…

There is no way that this story occurred as stated… period.

If the missiles were being taken to Barksdale for dismantling, why are they flying them in combat configuration on a B-52 and not trucking them to Barksdale (or at least using a C-5 or C-17)?

No… I believe Larry is 100% correct (again)… these missiles are being front loaded into the pipeline. A strike on Iran maybe?

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And they telegraphed an air command standdown on September 14th. That scares the hell out of me. Remember what happened the last time our air forces were stood down????????

Jack D. Ripper….! LOL! Who in this Administration plays Slim Pickens?

Also asked someone I know who was with Strategic Forces. He said only in Texas is cow dung thrown around like this. He told me in his time you could not even even “arm” a pencil with a nuke without a Presidential Directive…. Forget fly one around the place….

If this is still true today somebody got to be asking some tough questions…..

Hummmmmm lets try two security breaches…one with the nukeand the other? “It was originally reported that five nuclear warheads were transported, but officers who tipped Military Times to the incident who have asked to remain anonymous since they are not authorized to discuss the incident, have since updated that number to six.”

It was originally reported that five nuclear warheads were transported, but officers who tipped Military Times to the incident who have asked to remain anonymous since they are not authorized to discuss the incident, have since updated that number to six.

Air Force and defense officials would not confirm the missiles were armed with nuclear warheads Wednesday, citing longstanding policy, but they did confirm the Air Force was “investigating an error made last Thursday during the transfer of munitions” from Minot to Barksdale.

The original plan was to transport non-nuclear Advanced Cruise Missiles, mounted on the wings of a B-52, to Barksdale as part of a Defense Department effort to decommission 400 of the ACMs. It was not discovered that the six missiles had nuclear warheads until the plane landed at Barksdale, leaving the warheads unaccounted for during the approximately 3 1/2 hour flight between the two bases, the officers said.

President Bush was immediately alerted to the mistake and the Air Force launched a service-wide investigation headed by Maj. Gen. Douglas Raaberg, director of Air and Space Operations at Air Combat Command Headquarters, said Air Force spokesman Lt. Col. Ed Thomas.

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates has requested daily briefings from Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Michael Moseley on the progress of the probe. Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., a member of the Senate Appropriations defense subcommittee, requested a full classified briefing, not just the preliminary information being provided to lawmakers, to explain how a mistake of this magnitude could have happened.

Thomas said the transfer was conducted safely and the American public was never in any danger since the weapons were in Air Force custody and control at all times.

But few critics were placated Wednesday by the Air Force’s reassurances.

“Nothing like this has ever been reported before and we have been assured for decades that it was impossible,” said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass, co-chair of the House Bi-partisan Task Force.

Non-proliferation treaty experts said the Air Force didn’t violate any international nuclear treaties by transporting the nuclear warheads on the B-52, but it was the first time since 1968 that it’s been known publicly that nuclear warheads were transported on a U.S. bomber.

After six nuclear-armed B-52s crashed from 1959-1968, the Defense Department ordered all bombers off nuclear airborne alert. The policy change occurred after a B-52 crashed in Greenland in January 1968, dropping three nuclear warheads on the island and one into the ocean.

As a gesture to Russia and the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, the first Bush administration took it one step farther in 1991 by ordering all bombers to halt nuclear ground alerts, which allowed bomber crews to practice loading a nuclear warhead, but never taking off with one.

The Defense Department does transport nuclear warheads by air, but instead of bombers it uses C-17 or C-130 cargo aircraft.

“These reports are deeply disturbing,” said Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. “The American people, our friends, and our potential adversaries must be confident that the highest standards are in place when it comes to our nuclear arsenal.”

Nuclear weapon experts said they were shocked to find out how completely command and control over the six nuclear warheads failed to allow such a mistake to occur.

Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists, said a host of security checks and warning signs must have been passed over, or completely ignored, for the warheads to have been unknowingly loaded onto the B-52.

ACMs are specifically designed to carry a W80-1 nuclear warhead with a yield of 5 to 150 kilotons and delivered by B-52 strategic bombers.

“It’s not like they had nuclear ACMs and conventional ACMs right next to each other and they just happened to load one with a nuclear warhead,” Kristensen said.

The Defense Department uses a computerized tracking program to keep tabs on each one of its nuclear warheads, he said. For the six warheads to make it onto the B-52, each one would have had to be signed out of its storage bunker and transported to the bomber. Diligent safety protocols would then have had to been ignored to load the warheads onto the plane, Kristensen said.

All ACMs loaded with a nuclear warhead have distinct red signs distinguishing them from ACMs without a nuclear yield, he said. ACMs with nuclear warheads also weigh significantly more than missiles without them.

“I just can’t imagine how all of this happened,” said Philip Coyle, a senior adviser on nuclear weapons at the Center for Defense Information. “The procedures are so rigid; this is the last thing that’s supposed to happen.”

The risk of the warheads falling into the hands of rogue nations or terrorists was minimal since the weapons never left the United States, said Michael O’Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, an independent research and policy think tank in Washington D.C.

At no time was there a risk for a nuclear detonation, even if the B-52 crashed on its way to Barksdale, said Steve Fetter, a former Defense Department official who worked on nuclear weapons policy in 1993-94. A crash would ignite the high explosives associated with the warhead, and possibly cause a leak of plutonium, but the warhead’s elaborate safeguards would prevent a nuclear detonation from occurring, he said.

“The main risk would have been the way the Air Force responded to any problems with the flight because they would have handled it much differently if they would have known nuclear warheads were onboard,” Fetter said.

It’s still unclear specifically how the B-52’s flight from Minot to Barksdale would have been different since most nuclear security protocols are classified. But, Kristensen said the flight pattern might have been different since there would have been airspace restrictions. Also, security at both airports would have heightened considerably and the communications between the pilot and the control towers would have been altered, he said.

Air Combat Command will have a command-wide mission stand-down Sept. 14 to review its procedures in response to the mistake. Even units without oversight of nuclear weapons will take part in the stand-down, Thomas said.

“The Air Force takes its mission to safeguard weapons seriously,” he said. “No effort will be spared to ensure that the matter is thoroughly and completely investigated.”

Along with the 5th Munitions Squadron commander, the munitions crews involved in mistakenly loading the nuclear warheads at Minot have been temporarily decertified from performing their duties involving munitions, pending corrective actions or additional training, Thomas said.

The error comes after the Air Force announced last March the 5th Bomb Wing won two servicewide safety awards during fiscal year 2006.

“This is really shocking,” Coyle said. “The Air Force can’t tolerate it, and the Pentagon can’t tolerate it, either.”

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20 Mishaps That Might Have Started Accidental Nuclear War
by Alan F. Philips, M.D.

Ever since the two adversaries in the Cold War, the U.S.A. an the U.S.S.R., realized that their nuclear arsenals were sufficient to do disastrous damage to both countries at short notice, the leaders and the military commanders have thought about the possibility of a nuclear war starting without their intention or as a result of a false alarm. Increasingly elaborate accessories have been incorporated in nuclear weapons and their delivery systems to minimize the risk of unauthorized or accidental launch or detonation. A most innovative action was the establishment of the “hot line” between Washington and Moscow in 1963 to reduce the risk of misunderstanding between the supreme commanders.

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/issues/accidents/20-mishaps-maybe-caused-nuclear-

For me one key is that the Wing Commander has not been removed from his position yet.

Nuclear Surety rules require two person control at every stage of handling these weapons. They would have been stored in an alarmed bunker with two high security locks. Pulling them out would necessitate pre approvals with security forces. Moving them from secured storage to the flight line would be another great amount of coordination. I’d never say never but if this did happen the way it is being reported, it is a monumental failure of many AF and DOD rules concerning the handling of these munitions by several separate groups of people who are trained and tested annually in Nuclear Surety. For a Wing handling these weapons, this is a failure of the highest order. Lesser failures have resulted in the immediate removal of the Wing Commander at a minimum.

If this doesn’t call for immediate action by Congress, what does?

Ha, I was waiting for ArmsControlWonk to weigh in, Jane quotes FAS scientist Hans Kristensen regarding all the rigid security checks, etc., which would’ve had to have been ignored or missed for this to happen. Kristensen adds that it’s unlikely that conventional ACMs and nuclear ACMs are stacked next to each other, the DoD has a computerized tracking system for each nuclear warhead, they have distinctive red signs on them to distinguish them from conventional warheads, and the nuclear warheads also weigh a lot more.

It boggles the mind that no one noticed any of the signs and that all the protocols were missed until the B52 landed in Louisiana. ArmsControlWonk Jane asks how rare are nuclear weapons accidents anyhow?

We’re only getting the tip of this story.

One report said that there is an on-going operation at Barksdale AFB to scrap the nuclear material from old bombs for eventual use in civilian nuclear reactors producing electricity. The odd part seems to be the immediate publicity, the firing of the Colonel in charge of the op, etc (it’s actually just re-assignment to a new job with same pay - much nicer than what most Americans would consider as being fired).
Also, wasn’t Barksdale AFB in Louisiana the first place that President Bush landed in AirForce One after leaving the photo-op grade school reading event in Florida on 9/11? Then from Barksdale the Presidential entourage later flew to a SAC Base in Nebraska, and then only later the same day, back to Washington DC and the White House.

Let me give you some background. I’m a non-practicing Christian (an Armenian), that was born in Iran, lived there for 14 years, and now I’m a U.S. citizen. Just like U.S., more than 60% (maybe even more) of the Iran’s population doesn’t like it’s suppressive government. If we attack them, that’ll just unite their country, and knowing how some of the extremists act for their religion (and country), they’re gonna go crazy and then we’re gonna have a second Iraq.
Just the way U.S. got rid of the Shah (the King of Iran),[since he didn't want to sell the oil as cheap as U.S. wanted] they can get rid of the extremists that are currently in power there, but why do that, when they can blow up Iran and then have Haliburton, etc., go there and charge the Iranians to build their country back up?

[...] From ex-CIA spook Larry Johnson’s blog (via Booman Tribune), just to give you nightmares- Why the hubbub over a B-52 taking off from a B-52 base in Minot, North Dakota and subsequently landing at a B-52 [...]

The stand-down is traditionally turned into a safety training day where everyone reviews procedures and protocols for handling these kind of munitions. It would involve Nuclear Surety training and testing as well as a review of local instructions/policies.

I should also say that safety stand-downs do not generally inhibit the mission of the Wing.

But honestly, being concerned about the stand-down is a distraction from the real issues here.

[...] delusional and is happy to be “kicking ass“in Iraq, while at the same time some major sabre rattling or actual preparations for attacking Iran take place back home. Goodness knows there has been [...]

Man, I learn so much reading over here, the posts and comments. I have a question though, wouldn’t a nuclear armed ACM have an entirely different weight than the empty ones that were supposed to be loaded onto the planes? Wouldn’t they have to be placed enough to make the weight under each wing relatively equal?

OK and could this be a black propaganda thing to Iran and to Russia? I mean Puty-poot has revamped a bunch of cold war kinda stances, mostly because the US has too. So could this be a propaganda twofer?

And I’m with the folks above who mentioned the Sept 14th AF Stand down. Some of the crazy neocons have been calling for another attack on US soil to help the Republicans in the polls.

I’m usually against the death penalty, but I’m with Shirin here. If those people attack Iran with nuclear bombs they need to be hung.

After his comment to Deputy Australian Prime Minister Mark Vaile that “We’re kicking ass” he also explained that the Iranians have a new secret weapon “A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual” causing a “Loss of essence.”
To which Prime Minister Howard replied “Mein Führer! I can walk!”

[...] sort of way, sometimes called putting two and two together, and wonders if we are now staging nukes for Iran.  He gives a nod to the Senator Craig stiry and the wire services with this – “Why the [...]

Well, Dee Loralei, I did not really suggest that they should be hanged. In fact, I am categorically opposed to the death penalty, so I guess even if that were my impulse, I should squelch it. In any case, I would prefer to see a more painful penalty than hanging, which is really much to good for those criminals. My favourite penalty for Saddam was not that he should be hanged, but that he should have a very, very long life which he would be forced to spend sharing a cell with both of the George Bushes, each of them being given only two pairs of underwear and nothing else to wear, and a washtub, a supply of detergent, and a clothesline so they could wash the pair they were not wearing at the time. Oh yes, and in my crueler moments, I imagine that their cell is open to the public day and night so that Iraqis and Americans alike can file by and gawk, and jeer, and taunt them 24/7/365 until the end of their days.

Now, is that not better than hanging?

Where will all of you be when this just simply doesn’t happen? Which are you, the chicken who claimed “the sky is falling” or the little boy who cried wolf?

You’re all plain “nuts” to think someone or some agency in the US is planning an attack on Iran, not to mention using nukes that were scheduled to be de-commissioned! Nuts… with no salt!

My mother told me a long time ago, “if you can’t say anything good, don’t say anything at all”. You may think you’re shining a light, when all you’re doing is throwing mud. Why?

Various comments have stated “”They must be stopped” “how can they get away with it?”

They will get away with it.

Want to know why??

Watch Miss South Carolina - Miss Teen USA again !!!

G-d help us all.

I would assume that the carrier groups we have of Iran are already carrying nukes. So maybe this is “black propaganda”. Also, were the cruise missiles or the warheads scheduled for decommissioning? Why would the US decommission perfectly good cruise missiles (especially if we’re running low)? Something rotten is going on.

Oops… Unauthorized Nuclear Warheads Transported…

USA Today reported on Wednesday that “that five nuclear warheads were transported,” by a B-52 bomber “from Minot Air Force Base, N.D., to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., on Aug. 30.” WTF?
The officers who first tipped the &#82…

If the US do it again after Hiroshima/Nagasaki they will not get away this time.

China, Russia and Pakistan will strike with all what the have and they will strike the homelands of terror: Israel/USA and turn the land of the “great” criminals into glas.

Interesting……and scary…. I got interested and Started to do some research….

The W80 Warhead……

“The W80 is a small thermonuclear warhead (fusion weapon, or hydrogen bomb) in the nuclear stockpile of the USA with an adjustable explosive yield of between 5 and 150 kT TNT.”

Well kick me!

Yield is adjistable between 5kt to 150kt…. Really! This is a “Dial a yield” nuke?

Well kick me in the butt! Fat Man and Little Boy were somehwere between 15 to 20kt….

5ky..10kt? Why am I getting this sinking feeling that this was a weapon option to take out Irans hardened nuke facilities?

Maybe a Bunker busting nuclear weapon, also known as earth penetrating weapons (EPW)?

http://www.fas.org/faspir/2001/v54n1/weapons.htm

What the foxtrot over?

They can’t be serious? This should not even be a option…… If this is true somone has some BIG SPLAN’IN to do……

Somone tell me I am off my rocker here?

Got to tell you gang..

If this was in fact, and I mean ” IN FACT” a deployed weapon option to take out Irans nuke facilities ….. I am scared… We have a madman in the White House….

Eh……

Chilling!

http://www.nukestrat.com/us/stratcom/gs-divinestrake.htm

Mistakes happen in the heat of battle.

Also, errors occur when schedules are sped up to try to meet a deadline.

And yet, I don’t believe that these nukes were “mistakenly” flown from Minot to Barksdale…while I do believe that we are witnessing the speeding up of a secret schedule to meet a specific deadline.

In flying these nukes from Minot to Barkdale, numerous rigid and rigorous SOPs were violated, indicating that someone high-up in the Bush White House and at the Pentagon wanted these nukes at Barksdale…yesterday.

I saw the same thing happening five years ago.

Because of something I read in July 2002, I knew for certain that Bush and Cheney were going to attack Iraq no matter what anyone else said or did. I figured they would wait until the brutal heat of summer passed before beginning any ground assault, but didn’t foresee Bush and Cheney actually conceding to congressional demands concerning first going to the United Nations before starting hostilities.

This delay, of course, gave the Bush administration, and their right-wing pundit puppets, more time to push the neo-con Republican propaganda campaign to “justify” launching a preemptive strike against another country, one that had nothing to do with the 8/11 attacks nor represented any real threat to our nation.

So, the brutal 130-degree temperatures in the Middle East are now waning into the cooler fall and winter months.

And even though the attack against Iran supposedly will only involve an air assault, one must presume that ground forces will become involved in some way, too, thus making ground weather conditions and air temperatures critical.

Patriotic members of Congress should immediately call for all Joint Chiefs of Staff to appear and testify in open session, under oath, so they and we can get to the bottom of what is going on…especially before the rogue Bush administration escalates the current war in the Middle East into something even more widespread and devastating.

But the carriers in the Gulf already have nuclear weapons, and the Iranians must be aware of that.

The main intellectual flaw in the drive for the coming Iranian War can be identified in advance: That an aerial, ’shock and awe’ blitzkreig extending over several days can completely obliterate Iran’s war-making capacity, making it possible to dismiss the possibility of their retaliation.

No matter what happens now. These nukes are only a tiny part of what they are preparing, want it or not, Bush and Cheney are going to “do something” against Iran before january 2009. W gotta finish daddy’s job and ideas..and for Power and Energy, life is not they primary value. and for the US exporting War outside the US give them in a certain way “the control they need to keep the Empire one step ahead of any nation”.

There is no way this would have been a mistake. I’ve worked on nukes while in the navy. In my experience besides being under lock and key and armed guard, nukes whether stored or mounted on delivery platforms and ready for launch are always hooked to an alarm system that will detect tampering. The only time they aren’t hooked to an alarm system is when they are being handled for transport and only while they are being handled. Once they are on whatever device they’re being transported on the alarms go back on and they are monitored during transit. There is no way they get on a B-52 by “mistake”.

[...] Staging Nukes for Iran? (by Larry Johnson) Why the hubbub over a B-52 taking off from a B-52 base in Minot, North Dakota and subsequently landing at a B-52 base in Barksdale, Louisiana?… I called a old friend and retired B-52 pilot and asked him. What he told me offers one compelling case of circumstantial evidence… Barksdale Air Force Base is being used as a jumping off point for Middle East operations… Why would we want to preposition nuclear weapons at a base conducting Middle East operations? [...]

I agree with most comments here that this wasn’t an accident, but what are ways to tell it wasn’t a staged leak by the White House to ramp up the saber-rattling and get the blogosphere all a-buzz to put more pressure on Iran rather than an actual military staging operation or a “cry for help” leak as another commenter put it? Any thoughts?

Larry and Keith olbermann will be fondly remembered for trying to save this country.

I’m feeling much better after reading all of the comments on this blog today…Carey, Jo’jo and others. People are awake and won’t be fooled by the criminals again.
Now, the military needs to take some action so that nobody is scapegoated for this “mistake.”

What is with the stand-down on 14th???

Here is the big question I see…

What were these weapons doing be transported to Barksdale AFB since this base is not a reduction, converion or elimination base?

It’s encouraging to know there are those in the military willing to defend America from ALL of its enemies…foreign and DOMESTIC. I’d like to take this opportunity and thank those who risked their military careers and leaked this story. As Olbermann pointed out in his recent commentary…Bushco is PLAYING war. Now he’s PLAYING with nukes. God help us.

[...] No Quarter: Staging Nukes for Iran? No Comments, Comment or Ping [...]

I have a question to ask….and not to take away from the topic and its original stage, but if we attack Iran and with nuclear weapons, and we expect to go for the oil, what in the hell are we doing about the nuclear fallout about all of this…remember Chernobyl?

I’m seeing an attempt to portray our military personnel as capable of “losing” a WMD so in the event there is a domestic attack using such a weapon there will be an example of how it came to pass that our side messed up and allowed “terrorists” to obtain said weapon. If something big happens involving a WMD of any kind, folks will wonder about the source, who created it, and how it came to be passsed to “terrorists”. We now have a scapegoat - our inept military.Too messy to blame Russian, or Pakistani, or Mossad blunders or schemes - let’s just blame the idiots in our own military! (who are thankfully very, very bright people at the level we are talking here) “Hey, if they can fly over MY house with nukes and not know it, how can we be sure that our arsenal is safe? Isn’t it just a matter of time before those cunning, determined terrorists outsmart our poor, clumsy defenses and get ahold of the bomb?” Waiting for Iran to come up with a bomb is taking too long. Blaming Iranian agents for the next attack on the U.S. is a no-brainer, they just need a plausible means to have obtained the weapons. Look for this upcoming review and investigation to find a “history of mismanagement and the subsequent loss of a number of (chemical/biological/nuke) weapons that are unaccounted for and presumably in the hands of enemy actors” That would make for some serious panic, and we would be BEGGING for a total lockdown of our society until they could be found. We are once again being asked to believe something that is a blatant lie (”oops, we didn’t KNOW those were nukes!” - c’mon!!!), and sadly, many will buy it and not see who is really pulling the strings and why. It’s all too much like a made for TV movie, and a very bad one at that. God bless EVERYONE! Z

For those of you with time on your hands…

The following web site contains links to Department of Defense Nuclear-Related Directives and Instructions

Not sure wehther you will need a .mil system to read the pubs.

http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/nuguide/appc.asp

Let’s face it, folks… evil BusHitler and Cheney planned to take the nukes back in time, use them to kill the dinosaurs, making them into oil. On the way back to the present, they planned to create and steer another hurricane at a crowded metropolitan city. They even convinced Thomas Edison to create the incandescant lightbulb, starting off Global Warming. Bush is so powerful, that he even made Mars have global warming!

See, Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) explains everything.

Sheesh, get a grip. It was a systemic failure that allowed the nuke warheads to stay on the missiles. BTW, for all you armchair Generals…B-52s carry their missiles inboard, not on pylons on the wings. Therefore there is no way to look at a flying B-52 and tell what it is carrying.

Buncha dummies!

[...] 6th, 2007 by mrspickles Larry Johnson: Staging Nukes for Iran? Why the hubbub over a B-52 taking off from a B-52 base in Minot, North Dakota and subsequently [...]

Do you people even have a clue? There are carriers in the gulf with nukes aboard, why would the air force need to “stage” anything to go to the middle east if it is already there?

Hard to believe some people hate their own government so much they would ascribe such conspiracy theories to it. Then, those same people believe bin Laden and the al Quedies are a lovely bunch of kind, sweet fellows.

Damn, some folks sure are stuck on stupid.

And the award for talking out the side of his neck goes to Tim for the award winning commentary of

” Sheesh, get a grip. It was a systemic failure that allowed the nuke warheads to stay on the missiles. BTW, for all you armchair Generals…B-52s carry their missiles inboard, not on pylons on the wings. Therefore there is no way to look at a flying B-52 and tell what it is carrying.”

Because Tim is one of those rare gents who can make it seem like he knows what he’s talking about when he doesn’t!
Right on Tim!
Thank you, so much, for being the buffoon, and in appreciation here, the Buffoon Award, because there is nothing like ignorance being put on display for all to see!
Thank you, and good night.

Nuclear Joyride…

After the news of a B-52 bomber carrying nuclear tipped cruise missiles from Minot Air Base in North Dakota to Barksdale Air Base in Louisiana ……

[...] Larry Johnson No Quarter [...]

On a serious note people, I do not see this as a serious movement of material for theater operations. I just don’t.
There are too many things here that don’t add up, and I think we should back it down.
On a personal note: Better that I’m right, than Larry being right.

Oh, and Tim, while your mind is churning out a response, it pays, really pays to read the news…/sigh…common sense is such short supply these days…

For your entertainment Tim…enjoy
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20070906/NEWS02/109060058
WASHINGTON — An Air Force B-52 bomber carrying six cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads flew a cross the central United States last week after the nuclear weapons were mistakenly attached to the airplane’s wing, defense officials said Wednesday.

The Stratofortress bomber, based at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota, was flying a dozen Advanced Cruise Missiles to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana on Aug. 30. But crews inadvertently loaded half of them with nuclear warheads attached.

Air Force officials said the warheads were not activated for use and at no time posed a threat to the public. Military officials were more concerned that the warheads were unaccounted for during the several hours that the missiles were in transit. The missiles never left Air Force control, they said.

The aircraft’s pilots and crew were unaware that they were carrying nuclear warheads, officials said. Airmen in Louisiana discovered the error after the bomber arrived.

The incident, first reported by the Military Times newspapers, prompted senior leaders to relieve a munitions squadron commander of his duties.

The missiles, part of an Air Force fleet of more than 450 of their kind, are being phased out and normally would not carry nuclear warheads while in transit. Defense officials said the B-52’s mission last Thursday did not include training runs, so the missiles would not have been launched.

Could these nukes being moved have anything to do with the following?
From Oregontruthalliance.org:VIGILANT SHIELD 08: NORTHCOM Plans 5 Day Martial Law Exercise
NORTHCOM Plans 5 Day Martial Law Exercise
By Lee Rogers - Intel Strike Contributing Writer / September 05, 2007
http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=4185

The United States Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) has just announced plans for an anti-terrorism exercise called Vigilant Shield 08. The exercise which is slated to run from October 15th to October 20th is described as a way to prepare, prevent and respond to any number of national crises. The exercise is simply a test case scenario for the implementation of martial law. Although the description of the exercise is disturbing, USNORTHCOM also announced that they are more prepared for a natural disaster and a terrorist attack after they used their response to Hurricane Katrina as a test laboratory.
Just asking.

Larry,

To your knowledge, can the Pentagon account for the location of every single nuke that they have produced? I’m sure the locations are kept secret from the public, but this is the question that Congress should be asking in private session, then they can come out to the microphones and express their level of comfort in the answer.

I have a hard time believing that this was a mistake. Especially since it has been against Pentagon Policy since the 1960’s after the Greenland crash.

Chad

And John gets two awards, one for Assumption and one for Non Sequitor, with the award winning jump of logic…

Hard to believe some people hate their own government so much they would ascribe such conspiracy theories to it. Then, those same people believe bin Laden and the al Quedies are a lovely bunch of kind, sweet fellows.

Damn, some folks sure are stuck on stupid.

Yes John, you make a strong case, and therefore, for the lack of brilliance and forethought in your jump, you get these two awards!
Thank you, and fare you well as well!

Not to stir the pot, but in the 70’s Cold War era, policy was that knowledge of the mere presence of nuclear weapons anywhere was classified ( it was the ” We neither confirm nor deny the presence…” dodge). Although I’ve been gone from the military for 25+ years, this has all the marks of a deliberate non-official leak. As I recall, nuclear weapons have NOTHING on the exterior to designate them as such, so this couldn’t be a casual observation.

[...] No Quarter  [...]

This reeks of another psyops operation.

Larry:
short of a warning logo, Geiger counter, mechanical forensics or a detailed transport manifest…

how can one be certain a missile is actually a nuke? cuz somebody said so?

isn’t it a bit like saying ‘this lunchbox has a hand grenade, honest’?… a Pulp Fiction moment & robbing somebody with a vibrator?

I’ve read my Sun Tzu, & completely agree with you (you were waiting with baited breath, I’m sure, to know if a random blogger agreed with you)

I’m absolutely convinced you’re correct that this event was media-released / seeded as tactical leverage… a PR Strike on the petroleum resource-bearing nations…

yeah… it probably is a tactical tea-bagging until the Sunni & Shi’ia capitulate…
which they’ll only do when they get the nod from other resource-bearing, Muslim nations…

…but should international legal, military & economic policies be dictated by a Party who seems to take its international diplomatic inspiration from a Gibson buddy film??

that’s the thing, isn’t it?

its not a mere a Corporate Occupation, or Resource Occupation, Iraq is a hostage taking to strong-arm resource-bearing nations to shudder…
to look at the Iraqi CautionaryTale & say… OKAY! OKAY! we won’t contest the legal precident of PSAs…

but that would mean… everybody else is fair game, right?

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“Pentagon ‘three-day blitz’ plan for Iran” - Times Online …

“President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East “under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust”. He warned that the US and its allies would confront Iran “before it is too late”.

Ha…

“I have a hard time believing that this was a mistake. Especially since it has been against Pentagon Policy since the 1960’s after the Greenland crash.”

Chad,
I think there are two distinctions here, and that one is inventory control, and the other is “uh-oh!”
As far as inventory control, yeah, they got it lock downed pretty tight…as for the “uh-oh’s!” well…yeah, present case in point…um, not so much.

And sheerahkahn gets the total moron award, in triplicate. Unable to actually refute what I said, IT gesticulated wildly and went on a personal attack.

Like I said, stuck…on…stoopeed.

This is an odd story. I can get the leak part better than the accidental loading missles on a plane and flying off part.

If there were orders to do something like this, fly some missiles from here to there on a B 52, which appears to be less usual for the Air Force than it used to be, then I can see leaking it to the military press. Even though it also seems highly unusual for military officers to talk about the movement of nuclear warheads, even out of school.
(So I can see how this could be agit-prop from the get go.)

But *accidentally* loading 5-6 nuclear armed cruise missiles on a B 52, that I can’t see. There’s so much paperwork involved, so much security, so much operational observation (at least if all the people who’ve been involved and all the public documents have any truth to them) that making a mistake seems really unlikely, and making it 5-6 times that much more so.

Google *ALCM* and you can find pictures of cruise missiles on B 52s. In some, the missiles have all sorts of ribbons and tags hanging on them, safety pins, I think. Somebody’s got to go and remove them before the B 52 takes off. (In addition to whatever bar codes or rfids or whatever help track warheads.)

Wouldn’t these ribbons and pins indicate in some manner whether there’s a live round?

I mean, it’s not like going over to the Home Depot and loading up sacks of concrete or a stack of 2×4s.

This still reeks of a hastily concocted cover story to “explain” why the warheads turned up at Barksdale. This is saber rattling at its core, by a WH that prefers to bully than engage. It didn’t work for Germany in either WW, and it won’t work now. How, exactly, are we going to stop AQ Khan (who we still can’t interview and the WH is OK with that as well as OBL’s safe haven in Pakistan)from sending Ahmedinejad a weapon? It worked for the DPRK and they were under an embargo. Iran is not.

As many of us have noted from our experiences, and knowing that the SAC folks are going be more protective of their warheads if anything than the average Joe, this is an intentional action under orders. As I noted before, everyone from the Minot base commander on down had their careers ruined IF this were an accident [you can delegate authority, but not responsibility]. The wing commander hasn’t even been touched, if I read the comments above correctly. That tells me that even though we will get a few ostensible “bad apples” a la Abu Ghraib, this was a policy decision.

So, like many of these off-the-cuff adventures, the WH opened another unintended can of worms. Russia has inspection rights as part of the strategic treaties [we do on theirs as well], and if the WH says we can’t keep track of these things, well, Putin will have to go looking more often and more deeply, and who knows what else the Russians will dig up to help their military?

Getting paranoid, for a bit:
If these are ‘obsolete’ missiles (leaving out the warhead here for a minute), what I could see is planting them to be found in or near Iran so the WH and the Pentagon could say ’see, they’re buying missiles to use on us’ - they’d find a way to convince the newsies that the warheads were from China or Russia (probably just stencil the markings on), and bang [no funny intended], there’s your ‘provocation’ all ready to go, and a lot of people would believe them.

What I’d worry about is how many newer cruise missiles have been shipped to the area already, unnoticed, for use by our forces.

John,
Are you going for more awards?
Take your two, and be satisfied with them.

Lets not forget that it is the Air Force Academy which has been reportedly infiltrated by the religious right in recent years.

I can almost imagine the whacks of the far right staging nukes, not for Iran, but instead for the possibility of a total collapse of Neo-Conservative power after the ‘08 elections.

THAT & a recall of Blackwater’s “Private Army” being recalled to the streets of America after Bush & Co. have so completely worn out our regular armed forces and depleted them of all needed equipment, is a nightmare I hope never comes to pass, but cannot discount as long as the current group of misfits hold the reigns of power in this country….

Do what it takes? Which is what, specifically?

I LOVE this! Ray McGovern exhorts Americans to “roll up their sleeves”. OK, the sleeves are rolled. Now what?

You tell Rob to get out there and do what it takes. OK, get out WHERE, exactly, and what, specifically does it take?

I sincerely hope that comment by Shirin was rhetorical?

What it takes is enough Americans to realise that the rest of the world is waiting for you to wake up, rise up and take Jefferson’s advice.

We are amazed how long it is taking… very soon now it will be too late.

How about next Tuesday 9/11? Indict them all - citizen’s arrest.

WRT claims above that everyone’s an idiot for believing that ACMs can be mounted on wing hard points, I would like to point out that effective with the B-52G, provisions were made to carry cruise missiles both internally, and externally on wing hard points. Since most B-52s have been upgraded to H model configuration, most in-service B-52s have that dual capability.

I refer the poster to this photo, showing several ACMs externally mounted in clusters on a B-52H:

http://www.strategic-air-command.com/missiles/Aircraft-Launched_Missiles/images/agm-129-b52.jpg

I presume that’s satisfactory evidence, since the photo does come from a SAC site. But, then, since we’re most assuredly all idiots, maybe I made it all up. Or maybe the Air Force `shopped the picture…. Yeah, that’s the ticket….

This story gets stranger every moment. I understand that the ACMs sat on the tarmac for 10 hours before being discovered. It is also my understanding that there were other ACMs involved of which were conventional systems.

I just am having a real hard time with the story as it is. We are taking about a highly secured weps system getting from a clearance from a secure bunker, passed security folk, alarm systems, vizual differences to a tarmac and mounted on a 52 getting passed the crew chief and command pilot to a air base that has nothing to do with reduction. And then sitting on a tarmac for 10 hours undetected.

What the foxtrot is going on here?

Ok I am not much on conspiracies and hope that what we are really looking at is one big security screw up.

But I can’t see it this big with six nukes. Yes we would need a nuke to take out Irans enrichment facility. Even if a conventional system could do the damage the environment impact would be even worse. So you need some terrific high heat to consume the releasing plutonium.

Now it has been said that the B61 gravity nuke was the preferred bunker buster to date. But why expose a B-1 or B-2 to someone air defense system when all you need is a simple standoff weapon like a ACM…..

I also understand the Ike Skelton and John Mccain are calling for a IGs investigation……. there has to be a high profile investigation by Congress….

Only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov’t commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like “America Deceived” from Amazon and Wikipedia, conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC’s ‘money-men’. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran.. Then we’ll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ….
Final link (before Google Books bends to gov’t demands and censors the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0

Get ready. Just like Phil Collins said.. Can you feel it… coming in the air tonight… hold on.

Iran is going to go poof. And if all of you don’t shut your piping holes, we’ll bomb your city next. Oops, did I say that outloud.

Here is a thought:

Instead of thinking that the nuclear missiles would be to hit Iran (which wouldn’t be necessary with 3 carrier strike groups), what if the front loading was to put even more nuclear missiles in the region in case Russia and China intervene (both nuclear powers).

Consider, Israel is trying to goad Syria into a conflict and Bush is trying to hit Iran. We’ve already taken Iraq and Afghanistan.

Russia and China have to be getting edgy since they have held at least two joint military exercises since our invasion of Iraq.

So… the B-52 story isn’t front-loading for Iraq… but to threaten Russia and China with.

Louisiana is a long way from the Pantex facility near Waco where nuclear warheads are dismantled…. Certainly they could have landed closer if they were being transported with the intention of decommissioning.

I think if i was the pilot i would notice nukes strapped to my wings.

your country USA, is one seriously f##ked up nation

I agree 100% with the article. I did not understand why the Media was making such a big deal of this when the plane was flying over mainly non-populated areas, anyway! Hyped!

[...] with the CIA and the U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, has an interesting slant on the story: Barksdale Air Force Base is being used as a jumping off point for Middle East [...]

Google “five nukes” and you get thousands of hits about this story, but Goggle “six nukes” you get about the same count about the same story.

Seems to be alot of confusion and maybe one missing nuke. I know alot people in Washington that would love to have a unaccounted for nuke.

Nukes on a Plane
Who knew that the threat posed by the American Midwest warranted a nuclear deterrent? Apparently a crew at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota did.
News reports revealed today that, in what can only be described as an unbelievable blunder, Air Force personnel allowed a B-52 bomber to fly from North Dakota to Louisiana last week armed with nuclear cruise missiles. The incident has provoked a massive response from top officials: Defense Secretary Gates and President Bush were notified, an investigation launched, disciplinary action taken against the Air Force personnel involved, an inventory underway of all Air Force nuclear weapons, and a halting of all fighter and bomber flights on Sept. 14.
The incident also raises the question of exactly when, where, and under what conditions US aircraft are allowed to be armed with nuclear weapons. Retired Air Force Major General Don Shepperd remarked in a CNN report on the story that “…the United States had agreed in a Cold War-era treaty not to fly nuclear weapons. ‘It appears that what happened was this treaty agreement was violated,’ he said.”
The CNN report isn’t clear on what “Cold War-era treaty” he’s referencing. However, an article from the Global Security Newswire provides a more in-depth and convincing explanation:
The risk of flying accidents, however, led the United States to abandon all nuclear-armed bomber flights in 1968, according to Hans Kristensen, a nuclear weapons expert with the Federation of American Scientists.
Until then, the Air Force kept about 12 strategic bombers in the air at all times, with each one usually carrying two to four nuclear gravity bombs. Several accidents occurred (see GSN, June 20, 2005), including a crash in Spain in 1966 and then a crash at an air base in Greenland on Jan. 21, 1968. The plane’s nuclear weapons did not explode in the latter incident, but their radioactive fissile material was dispersed at the crash site.
Defense Secretary Robert McNamara that day ordered the grounding of all nuclear-armed aircraft, a policy that has continued for four decades. Instead of flying with nuclear weapons, armed bombers were kept on alert on the ground with flight crews nearby to enable the planes to take off within minutes, if necessary.
In 1991, President George H.W. Bush reduced the bomber alert status further by ordering nuclear weapons to be removed from the aircraft and kept in nearby storage facilities.
The GSN description seems to indicate that the ban on flying nuclear-armed aircraft was the result of a DoD Directive or Executive Order. It’s worth noting that a separate GSN article from March reported that the US will soon end its use of nuclear cruise missiles pursuant to the 2002 Moscow Treaty. Perhaps this is the “Cold War-era treaty” mentioned by Shepperd.
– John Pruett
http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2007/09/nukes-on-a-plan.html
If the Government has nothing to hide…..
Why is it hiding everything?

U.S. Lost Nukes And Nuclear Accidents

Nuclear Losses
Oh where have all the lost nukes gone? Yep, you are reading correctly, we have lost nukes, nuclear reactors and nuclear material. The Soviet Union was a secretly run country so it is harder to find out what they lost but to give you a hint, we lost two nuclear submarines and they lost five. At first glance you have to wonder how anyone could lose a nuclear weapon, it seems like you would have to be a total idiot, doesn’t it? You would think that even if they fell into the ocean, we would be able to detect them just from their radiation, but apparently this isn’t the case. I have no way to verify the following nuclear tales since I am merely a one man operation and not a newspaper but the following nuclear loses are talked about quite often:
In 2004 it was estimated that we had lost at least 11 nuclear weapons of the bomb type. This is not counting other types of nuclear weapons. It was also estimated that 92 nuclear bombs were lost at sea from all nuclear capable countries.
A B-36 was traveling from Alaska to Texas. It developed mechanical problems. The problems got so bad that the crew had to bail out. Unfortunately the plane was carrying a test nuke. The explosive material detonated, not the nuke, over the coast of British Columbia. This is listed as the world’s first nuclear accident. This accident was said to have taken place in January, 1950.
Also in 1950 it is said that a B-36 was forced to jettison it’s nuclear bomb into the Pacific Ocean where it still remains today.
Forty five years ago a B-47 was flying with a nuclear weapon off the coast of South Carolina, USA. The location is disputed, some say it was off the coast of Georgia and others say North Carolina. The copilot went back to the weapon to install a pin. The pin was necessary for the release mechanism to work. It wouldn’t go in. He radioed back to the base and he was advised to jiggle the release mechanism to align the parts so the pin would fit in. When the copilot did this, the weapon dropped out of the plane into the ocean and was lost.
In 1956 a B-47 crashed into the Mediterranean Sea. The plane was carrying to canisters of nuclear material.
In 1957 a C-124 was forced to jettison two nuclear weapons into the Atlantic Ocean. These weapons remain lost.
In 1961 a very scary thing happened. A B-52 was carrying two 20 megaton nuclear bombs. The plane crashed and five of the six safeties on the bomb failed. The crash occurred near Goldsboro, North Carolina. One bomb was lost. The government states that it never had a bomb larger than 15 megatons.
These are only a few of our loses by plane, but bombs are not the only types of nukes that were lost. We have lost nuclear reactors when submarines sunk and also nuclear torpedoes.
In 1963 the USS Thresher, a nuclear powered submarine, sank. The wreck is 100 miles off the coast of Cape Cod. The sub was broken into six pieces but the reactor is said to still be intact and not leaking. It lays at the bottom of the ocean with all its fuel just waiting to cause problems.
The USS Scorpion was another nuclear powered submarine that sank. It sank in May of 1968. Not only is the reactor at the bottom of the ocean, but also two nuclear tipped torpedoes. We are told that no detectable radiation is coming from the wreck. It is luck that the wreck is down very deep. It rests at over 3600 meters deep. This is about 11,850 feet down or over two miles.
We all can see that we have caused safety hazards all over the world. But are there other hazards caused by these lost bombs and reactors? As technology gets better and we develop vehicles that are capable of diving deeper and deeper, might not a terrorist organization get hold of one of these vehicles and try and recover a nuke. Lost doesn’t necessarily mean we don’t know where they are. Look at the two lost subs. They are just down too deep right now to do anything, or so they tell us. Do you think that the locations are being watched to make sure no one tries to recover the bombs? I doubt it.
Nuclear Accidents
Here are some of our military nuclear accidents in date order:
1950 saw a B-36 drop a nuclear bomb over the state of Washington, the explosive material detonated but the nuclear bomb didn’t We also had a crash of a B-29 that was carrying a nuclear payload into the mountains of New Mexico. A B-50 crashed in Ohio setting off its high explosives but not its nuclear cargo. A B-29 crashed in California, again the explosive material to detonate but not the nuclear bomb.
In 1956 a B-47 crashed into a storage area containing nuclear weapons but they didn’t go off.
In 1957 a B-36 dropped a nuke in the New Mexico desert. The explosive material detonated but not the nuclear material. A B-47 crashed in Florida with two nukes onboard.
In 1958 a B-47 containing a nuke crashed and burned causing contamination. A B-47 dropped it’s nuclear bomb over South Carolina. The high explosive detonated but not the nuclear bomb. A B-47 caught fire while the plane was on takeoff. It contained nukes. The plane crashed and the high explosive detonated but not the nukes. This took place in Texas. A B-47 loaded with nukes caught fire and the its nuke was destroyed.
1959 saw a F-100 go on fire while it had a nuke on board. A C-124 crashed in Louisiana with a nuke but it was destroyed in the crash. A B-52 armed with nukes crashed into a KC-135. The two nukes from the plane were recovered in Kentucky.
In 1960 a fire in New Jersey destroyed a nuclear missile storage facility.
In 1961 a B-52 which contained two nukes crashed in California.
In 1964 a B-52 with two nukes on board crashed in Maryland. A nuclear Minuteman rocket fired in error. A B-58 with a nuclear load crashed in Indiana causing contamination.
In 1965 a C-124 loaded with nukes went on fire in Ohio.
In 1966 a B-52 with a nuclear cargo collided with a KC-135. The high explosive material detonated in two of the four nukes but no nuclear explosion took place. This happened over Palomares, Spain and caused one of the most expensive clean ups.
In 1968 a B-52 with nukes on board crashed in Greenland. We recovered one nuke but it is not know if the other three were destroyed in the fire or lost. Workers who helped with the cleanup died.
In 1980 a Titan II missile had it’s fuel tank punctured and took off and traveled a distance of about 600 feet.
Will future generations suffer because of our carelessness? Could be! Imagine a nuclear weapon somewhere in the ocean and after a few hundred years the casing gets so corroded that the nuclear material leaks out into the water. The tides carry the contamination for hundreds or thousands of miles. This would effect the marine life. People would eat the fish and then the mutations and sickness would start. I am sure that this will be denied but I think that we as intelligent people all know better.
http://aboutfacts.net/Weapons36.htm

A friend on mine who is ex AF Ordiance Disposal is not surprised by this, and in fact is saying worst has occurred…I didn’t want to know what could be worst…anyway, I think we can all calm down a wee bit.

This is what I think really happened. We moved nuke standoff weapons to a jumpoff point more than likely under the cover of convential.

You don’t attack an enrichemnt facility with convential weapons the evvironmental damage would be just unspeakable to say the least. You have to hit the facility with enough energy to overwhelm it, the only thing that can do this right now is a low yield nuke. RCNPs are not operational yet.

Now the B61 is one of the nukes that I believe DoD identified they would use as a bunker buster, though there are some problems using that system as a bunker buster. Besides you need to fly it in and why use a million or billion dollar aircraft when you can use a 100,000 dollar standoff weapon and not risk plane nor crew.

Some where along the line there was a screw up and the weapons were leaked out thank GOD!

I just can’t believe that the USAF would be this stupid otherwise…….

how the hell did we get six nukes on a plane by accident?

Why does this discussion remind me so much of Nixon and Kissinger.

Ahhh. Now I remember, I’m thinking back on the good old days.

Want to guess what Minot Air Force Base’s website had as a headline on an August 30 press release? “Enjoy a Safe Labor Day Weekend!” The text had this: “…please keep safety in mind in all you do!”

ArmsControlWonk Jeffrey adds: “And remember, warbirds, don’t accidentally load any nuclear weapons onto aircraft!

It would not surprise me one bit if BushCo attacked Iran before they left office. The Heritage Foundation just ran a war game on Iran and guess what, we win. Only gas will costs eight dollars a gallon from then on. And the GDP will lose 260 brazillion every quarter. And 2 million jobs will be lost. And we aren’t even going to mention what will happen in the rest of the world.

I am not Even liking the martial law test if that is story is true. That is even scarier than nukes on a plane. I’m going out and buy more bullets and liquor.

Here is my attempt at putting all the pieces of the puzzle together.

As many experts have presented on this board with uttermost certainty, it is definately an impossibly that these Nukes would have been moved out by mistake and that is final. This was deliberate.

I think we can also all agree that the Persian Gulf fleet already has Nukes. So it is fair to say that these Nukes were not meant to be used by the Persian Gulf Fleet.

Sadly, I believe they were going to be used covertly to create an event that would have justified retaliation.

Maybe their momentum is stalled for a while, but their intent and coldness is unfathomable.

This leak though gives me hope that maybe enough military people may simply refuse to follow the directives.

If not, if they simply accept to do as they are told, as they are trained to do, then they will pull whatever trigger they are told to pull. Even against women and children, even against their own people.

This all sounds like a bad dream and I will wake up soon.

Market Crash Forecast - Paul Joseph Watson

For those who didn’t see the original news article…

***(http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/270807_market_crash.htm)*** Just ignore the ***()*** characters.

In essence, some person or organization has wagered roughly $1B (one billion dollars) that the Eurostoxx-50 composite index will crash prior to Sept 21. This was done via the anonymous purchase of more than 200,000 short-term put options.

“Short-term” means that the options will expire, worthless, in less than 90 days. In this case, on Sept 21, 2007.

My question: What NYSE or NASDAQ stocks could be expected to rise/fall by a disproportionate amount if a few very low yield nukes were expended in Iran? I want to check for abnormal option activity, but don’t know quite where to look.

I’m sick and tired of these motherf*ckin’ nukes on this motherf*ckin’ plane!

Ogh sorry I just -had- to go there..

In all the “theories” as to why these nukes would have been moved (I think it’s fairly obvious they were done so on orders from on high, the alternative is absolutely impossible), one other possibility hasn’t been mentioned.

As many have pointed out, there are many nukes in the Persian Gulf already, on carriers. But what do you do if the commanders on those ships refuse to deploy them (it’s concievable, given the evidence that large swaths of the military think that the executive are bonkers and are almost in open revolt), or more importantly refuse to deploy them based on a lack of authority?

Well, of course, you infiltrate a small group of officers (in a service that is friendly to your cause - in this case the Christianazi infiltrated Air Force), and send a small handful of nukes to the right place so they are ready at the right time. Remember all it takes is one nuke out of the bag and blowing up Isfahan to change the entire chessboard - after which point all those other nukes will probably be deployed too. But the real trick is getting the FIRST one detonated in an environment that over decades has been -deliberately- engineered to avoid this exact eventuality (extremists take over the US Republic and decide to declare WW3 with a nuclear first strike).

Kind of like the teenagers breaking into the liquor cabinet. They are scared at first that maybe mom and dad might notice some of that missing Vodka - but by the time they’ve had that first shot or two, they just all go nuts and drink the whole lot.

Rex Glasini from Monopolymen.com

[...] Staging Nukes for Iran? on No [...]

OK, so its mostly agreed that the official story is a load of BS, that it just couldn’t happen that way because of the multiple intense levels of security protocols which one must wade through just to gain access to the nukes, let alone remove them from the bunker and move them. If the weapons were moved, then a LOT of people were complicit in moving them.This smells like a psyop to me.

But, it is obvious that, IF these weapons were indeed moved, it was definitely with the approval of the brass. There was no “mistake” here.

Assuming that any nukes actually moved from the bunker, which is questionable, and since the base that they were supposedly being moved to for “decommissioning” wasn’t in that business, the next logical question becomes, “Why sneak a handful of nukes into the Iranian theatre under cloak and off the books, when our war ships stationed there undoubtedly already have some aboard?” Answer: Plausable deniability. So that all weapons onboard and on paper can be accounted for after the suprise nukes go off, and we can claim they weren’t ours. Maybe blame Israel?

When the inevitable investigation comes, the ship captains can say, “See here, I still have all mine!” Iran undoubtedly knows that the US warships off its coast are already packing nukes if they are, so this looks like it was designed to broadcast to the Iranians that that the US is trying to sneak a few nukes into theatre “off the books” so to speak. Now, why would we be trying to do that, if not to use them? That’s the conclusion that The US wants Iran to draw, apparently.

One other plausible scenerio is that the WH wants to frighten the American people into believing that it IS possible that terrorists could get their hands on a nuke on American soil, because some dumb SOB in the Air Force screwed up and lost a half dozen nuclear tipped cruise missiles, which any serious investigative journalist could debunk easily if the mainstream media wasn’t just a bunch of bought-and-paid-for presstitutes. Why would they want to do this? So that, if and when a nuke comes up missing, the people will be frontloaded.

I suspect the individuals who were removed as a result of this “accident” were done so for refusing to obey orders, and leaking this outside the chain of command - not for making any “mistake”…

That interpretation means that we are GO for a nuclear hit on Iran in the coming weeks or months.

This just confirms what high level sources in Washington are all now saying. i.e. that the maniacs in the Whitehouse are prepared to go all the way in “flight forward” to prevent having to deal with :

a) the onrushing global economic crisis
b) their own impeachment and trial for treason for plotting and carrying out 9/11

Message to Paul’s post about none of my business.. Well Paul maybe you can explain to me how being concerned with nuclear weapons being transported to a staging area is a Liberal question?

What do you mean its none of my business?

Why don’t you tell us some more about how this is a routine xport thats done everyday.. That is interesting and I thank you for that information….

Good morning,
as a Presstitute I can make anywhere between 2000000$ -> 10000000$ per day selling you crap that I invent…and crap that you read…only u know that it’s crap, the rest have no idea and that’s why we move forward.

Survival of the fittest … baby!

You guys gotta understand that there is a lot of money being made by politicians…tons.

How? well they have 100% of ALL markets.
OIL - Media - IT - and pretty much everything else.

Down the line you’ll see that all those “mystery” traders that PUT OPTIONS for 1bln $ to scare the shiat of you…are your politicians.

9/11 - your politicians - > same for all the BAD on this planet.

And the police? All cowards, they are in it for the money..they make anywhere between 65000 - 100000$ each for beating the shiat of all of you…and to make sure that the politicians keep making the money they do so their salaries are paid for.

What can you do to defend your self? you ask?

Simple…cheat on your taxes. There are 16% of americans that cheat on taxes…if everyone was doing that…in about 6 years they’d run out of money and then well the world would change a little.

Cheers

This leak is the equivelent to if their had been a leak in the weeks prior to 9/11 that there was thermite planted all over the towers and that it would have been discovered and removed.

Only, they could’t have said that it was planted there because they wanted to decommission it.

But they are perseverent. As far as they are concerned, “WE WILL HAVE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER” -Rockerfeller

[...] Staging Nukes For Iran? http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/05/staging-nukes-for-iran/ [...]

How about this scenario.

U.S. attacks Iran, in a pin point attack with strategic weapons, knowing Iran will retaliate.

They send off a sitting duck target, like one of their ships, into the firing range of Iran, but little does anyone know, the shipped is rigged with these stolen Nuke heads, and when Irans conventional weapon hits the sacrificed ship and crew, BANG!!!

The nukes are triggered simoultaneously!!!

Now the Global Empire has a legitimate reason to flatten Iran since they, Iran started the Nuke attack.

Just an idea.

Good morning/afternoon,
as a Presstitute I can make anywhere between 2000000$ -> 10000000$ per day selling you crap that I invent…and crap that you read…only u know that it’s crap, the rest have no idea and that’s why we move forward.

Survival of the fittest … baby!

You guys gotta understand that there is a lot of money being made by politicians…tons.

How? well they have 100% of ALL markets.
OIL - Media - IT - and pretty much everything else.

Down the line you’ll see that all those “mystery” traders that PUT OPTIONS for 1bln $ to scare the shiat of you…are your politicians.

9/11 - your politicians - > same for all the BAD on this planet.

And the police? All cowards, they are in it for the money..they make anywhere between 65000 - 100000$ each for beating the shiat of all of you…and to make sure that the politicians keep making the money they do so their salaries are paid for.

What can you do to defend your self? you ask?

Simple…cheat on your taxes. There are 16% of americans that cheat on taxes…if everyone was doing that…in about 6 years they’d run out of money and then well the world would change a little.

Cheers

[...] Johnson, an expert in counter-terrorism, has an interesting slant on the story: Barksdale Air Force Base is being used as a jumping off point for Middle East [...]

Paul you are why this country is going to hell in a handbag buddy.

Good morning ladies and gents,
as a Presstitute I can make anywhere between 2000000$ -> 10000000$ per day selling you crap that I invent…and crap that you read…only u know that it’s crap, the rest have no idea and that’s why we move forward.

Survival of the fittest … baby!

You guys gotta understand that there is a lot of money being made by politicians…tons.

How? well they have 100% of ALL markets.
OIL - Media - IT - and pretty much everything else.

Down the line you’ll see that all those “mystery” traders that PUT OPTIONS for 1bln $ to scare the shiat of you…are your politicians.

9/11 - your politicians - > same for all the BAD on this planet.

And the police? All cowards, they are in it for the money..they make anywhere between 65000 - 100000$ each for beating the shiat of all of you…and to make sure that the politicians keep making the money they do so their salaries are paid for.

What can you do to defend your self? you ask?

Simple…cheat on your taxes. There are 16% of americans that cheat on taxes…if everyone was doing that…in about 6 years they’d run out of money and then well the world would change a little.

Cheers

[...] on a political note, remember the nukes that were “accidentally” shipped to an Airforce base in Arksdale, Louisiana? Ex-CIA Spy Larry Johnson says it was no accident cause accidents like this don’t happen. [...]

i although did not believe in a mistake. not for one second!

i do not think that the weapons should be shipped to the Middleeast (i assume they have there what they need already. just in case an opportunity opens up to drop one and you do not want to miss that chance cause you got the wrong bombs at hand.).

so what the hell happened?

foreword:
dear world emperors and the submissive intelligence services,
this is not a real theory and i do not have ANY evidence to support any of my crazy claims.
nor do i seek any of it. i will be one of the people who get killed first during the riots and i do not have a problem with that. so you can relax and go on with surpressing the people of the world (myself included) instead hunting me down. have a nice day : -)

here is the “theory”:

the bombs should have been used for a false flag in the US. it is not possible you might think at first because you could find the source of the bombs from the fingerprint of the radiation.
but what if it does not matter that the bombs could be tracked back to an american manufacturer?

and here is the plot of the “elites” which did not work out thanks to the few HONEST MAN left in the US-military.

1.
arm a bomber with REAL A-Bombs on a plane (by mistake ; -)
use your totally insane reborn-christian airforce gangsters to do that (exactly that kind of people who are looking forward to a nuclear war in the middleeast to finally get to armageddon).
tell them you want to drop the bomb at some arabs and they will do what they can to help you.

1b.
go to a bunker and wait for the news (just to get sure that the bomb really drops where you wanted)!
prefer the ones which recreation center serves your interest best or which are famous for the kitchen and/or the hookers.

2.
let some “terrorists” board the bomber. equipped with state of the art boxcutters (use toothpicks as secondary armament if you really can’t get boxcutters through security checks).
arabs won’t work here cause they most probably will be shot at sight distance from any military base (or wendys) in the south.
but you really need some kind of muslim connection.
now comes the trick: use germans converted to muslims like the ones who wanted to bomb Rhein-Main-airbase (which does not exist anymore since 2005!) and other spots (which may or may not exist).
sidenote:
one guys name of the recently arrested “terrorists” in germany is FRITZ. the german media now tries to scare us to accept the next fascist state with muslim terrorists called Fritz? and i am the crazy one???

3.
throw a bomb over the city you want to use as victim
either a city with too much rebellious folk in there or just a major city with the best mediacoverage from a “safe” distance possible (and which does not have a team for the playoffs in a major sports market). whatever fits the script.

4.
put your media- and science-zombies on the screen as fast as possible and let them explain to the sheeps who did it and why.
be fast but not too fast! check THIS time that the event really happened before you report about it (remember the BBC and the WTC7 desaster

5.
put your politics-zombies on the screen and say total meaningless sentences in their heartwarming/tearful speeches like:
… support our troops(US)/rally the flag(UK)…
… with us or against us… (as if this was ever a questionx
… must stand together in this crisis…
… my country, right or wrong…
… they hate our freedom…
… our thoughts are with the victims…
… somebody will pay for that…

6.
let the zombie-king per Executive Order put the private armies on the streets to supress the riot of the thinking people (read: kill them!) and put the rest of suspicious people in the FEMA-gulags already prepared.
if you fear a very fast reaction from the people put the mercenaries in front of the event out and say it is just an excercise (use the word “coincidence” if somebody dares to ask how this could happen. if some crazy nut still wont’t swallow the bait insult him personally and use the word “conspiracy theorist” and/or “antisemite” as often as possible.)

7.
start World War III and fuel the fire as often as necessary.
get rid of some billion people (not needed anymore to preserve your wealth) and get outrageous rich in the same move (worked in WWI and WWII perfectly).

8.
declare on site as winner and one as looser.
kill a lot of the loosers (and witnesses of your evil and nefariousness) AFTER the war through tribunals with false allegations to convince the winners that the war was really a good thing and absolutely necessary. (that although remembers the winner that he has won even if he lost millions of loved ones and a lot of scarce ressources!)

9.
change the world however you like it to be for the next 50 years.
do not forget to loot the loosers and get even more rich.
give awards named after you to yourselve and let the historians pray you and your achievements in every possible way. think about the next “incident” to start a major war while you enjoy the fruits of your hard work.

10.
start all over again.

note:
how to get the germans?
german pilots already train in the US (i think in texas) and so you should have acces and can use some of your mindcontrol stuff on them.
the muslims are the organised terorists and everybody knows already the germans are ruthless enough to commit whatever crime you could imagine (and more).
as headline for your media-coverage use something like: The Wedding Of Terror! Mohhamed goes Germany.

the brilliant thing is you could recycle a lot of the old warpropaganda (without even changing the name of the enemy, Fritz will do it again ; -) and mix it with the newest technologies.
how about some movies/computer games like: The day of the Fritz; TERRORFRITZ; Fritz Bin-laden: The root of all evil …

this sounds broadly and exaggerated to you?
it is.

but what still stands is the real possibility to use these weapons on american soil.
somebody read the stuff from Tom Clancy?
he wrote about using civil planes as weapons (long before it happened) and in the later books there is an
nuclear attack from terrorists at the super bowl.

but Clancy is a romantic dreamer. in the book with the nuke of the super bowl (The Sum Of All Fears) his hero (Jack Ryan) refuses to give his authorisation to nuke tehran for retalition in the critical moment.

so let us hope that the Jack Ryans are in place at the right time (military, gouvernment, intelligence) and courageous enough to follow their own conscience when it really matters.

from that point of view the leak of the information of mishandling/kidnapping these 5 (or was it 6?) big ones could be a sign of resistence and sincerity in the military branch.

we are NOT alone in the fight for the future of mankind !

[...] “Staging Nukes for Iran?” story, linked by blogs worldwide (even in Iran*) is going strong, and the 208+ comments, [...]

Mr. Larry Johnson’s original post is quoted in a blog entitled:

Going NUTS: What are the consequences of bombing Iran with nuclear weapons?

It can be found on Kos at:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/7/11377/43903

This blog gives details on the consequences of an attack on Iraq and sounds a call for action by Americans who love their country and their Constitution.

Has anyone seen Darth Cheney lately? My blood always begins racing when scary events such as this happen and we don’t know where he is. Remember we knew where Bush was all day on 9-11, and no idea where his handler was. Just a thought.

Meanwhile…

http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=4185

Somebody probably already noted this above, that NorthCOM plans a 5 day martial law exercise, from 10/15-10/20, called Vigilant Shield 08.

Thinking back to the NORAD exercises run on 9/11, that does give one pause. On that day our air defense was far away from helping and also confused about what was real and what was part of the exercise. In Vigilant Shield 08 the exercise will be focused on Oregon, Arizona and Guam, far away from the East Coast. More info at link.

[...] Further reading…    [...]

The one thing tht no one has mentioned is the grounding of all Air Force Fighter and Bombers on Sept 14th.

With Nukes in LA, can anyone confirm how many? Is it possible an Operation “Noth Woods” would be executed and then have a B52 take off to bomb Iran for this?

I would hope that Congress is taking in all the available information and watching this administration very carefully

[...] Johnson had a quite different explanation, …So I called a old friend and retired B-52 pilot and asked him. … [He] reminded me [...]

just read this update on the nukescapade. New research he sites show that the official documents show a whole different picture than the ‘official’ line… Very interesting

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×1748011

Here’s my question:

When they go to their secured weapons bunker, will they find 5 or 6 conventional warheads with red tags on them? What if they find more than 5 or 6?

If they do, then perhaps Milo Minderbinder was planning to swap them for a load of chocolate covered Egyptian cotton.

If they find that 5 or 6 are missing, then this was definitely orders from Bush.

After all the whining and strutting, the bottom line is that it can’t possibly have been a mistake.
Let’s keep this simply, a missile with a nuke load weighs considerably more than a missile without one. Okay so far?
The pilot needs to know the weight of his aircraft before he can determine fuel load and he needs to know how much the aircraft weighs at take-off.
From the news I have read the plane had full, wing mounted, rackets of missiles. I don’t know the exact number, but if they all had nuclear warheads, it would have been a noticeable increase in weight.
No mistakes were made.

Aren’t the air force bases at Guam (Anderson) and Diego Garcia fairly close to each other?Is this important?Just asking.

[...] is that the Barksdale LA base that the B-52 bomber was going to, according to this article from No Quarter is actually a jump point for bombers going to the Middle East. Hmmm…. Why would we need Nukes [...]

In Canada, we require a min. of 10 signatures in various log books to ship any munition by air: (4 of which are lower ranks);
shipper\driver and his MC; AC loader and his MC; Stores C & NC: (WO + Col. for override for Non-Convential (we are not allowed by law to load any nuclear ordinance except under a temporary executive order from the CoS); base commander & wing or lt. commander; and finally the pilot & co-pilot. Since we are talking nuclear ordinance here, this situation would also require the requisite teams to assemble, arm, disassemble and disarm on the bases (from what I understand the munitions were shipped in a live state).

A brave and courageous junior officer or NCO saw something seriously amiss here and did the right thing by outing it. So what do we now have on our hands…

Sabre-Ratting? Maybe. It doesn’t hurt, but then it never amounts to much either unless it’s backed up. Four years of huffing and puffing @ Kim Jong Il have only emboldened him to force the US to finally capitulate on most of their original demands. So no.

Ineptitude? I don’t think so - not from 24 signatures, in a variety of log books, on two different bases spread across the country, all officially sanctioned by their immediate seniors.

Perimeter or Operations Test? Awfully expensive way to test operational procedure. The PSYOPS mouthpieces are in damage control mode though, so that argument is untenable.

Covert Operation? Against Iran? Very possible. Listen to the ainstream media. A covert operation to strike Iran (think Nicaragua\El Salvador 70’s) without the official sanction or oversight of Gates’ office, perhaps to shield him, in the event things go awry. [Remember: TWO bases involved here, so you have at least one person at the level of Lieutenant Commander or higher, calling the shots. Is it conceivable? Maybe. Is it practicable though? A definite yes.

The most tenable scenario in my opinion however though, is that this was an inside job setup to ‘lose’ some nukes for a definite hit, probably domestically, but perhaps internationally; but in either case, a false-flag operation. Then they can blame it on the Iranians and nuke them (I say definite, because lunatics don’t acquire nuclear weapons simply to shelve them).

A)
They were left on the tarmak for 12 hours, fully crated and completely un-guarded, i.e. for immediate pickup & delivery. Anyone on that base (a leftist sympathizer) could have loaded them onto a truck and driven them to anywhere within a 12 hour window. Remember, no one know they were missing. And Cheney needs an ‘incident’ to galvanize support for nuking Iran anyway.

B)
They were fully activated and mounted in flight, no doubt to prove to the intended recipient that the weapons are fully functional and will operate as expected.

Rogue military elements sanctioned or not, these people are playing a very dangerous game. Ironically, the way back to a sane (i.e. Ron Paul) US foreign policy, instead of the current debacle, may rest with Vladimir Putin. The Russian Bear has fully awakened as of late, and he is, understandably, none too pleased.

Does anyone remember Gen. Kevin P. Byrnes? You know, the guy the Army booted for sexual relations outside of marriage in 2005.
In August of ‘05, practically in tandem with Katrina, Gen Byrnes was involved in a military “training scenario” in Charleston S.C. essentially replicating an Edward Zwick 1983 TV movie about the detonation of a nuclear weapon in the harbor of aforementioned city. Only weeks before V.P. Cheney had announced Iran would be bombed should another terrorist attack occur on U.S. soil. Byrnes somehow caught wind of a plan, sponsored by the V.P., to actually detonate a weapon, using this “drill” as cover, thus eliminating not only Charleston, but any further reservations the American public might have about subsequent military action against Iran, who’d naturally be blamed for the mess.
Though I don’t know specifics and am essentially recounting other news stories (yes (sigh) Alex Jones, too) Gen Byrnes, probably with the support of other high ranking officers, “stood up” to Cheney on the issue. Katrina helped. Disaster was averted.
If this is correct, I’m damn glad there are still a couple of patriots in the military like Byrnes who’ll try and save this country from the neo-cons. If we survive, it’ll be a great injustice not to recognise the importance of Byrnes, and those like him, in saving our nations from the worst domestic predators we’ve ever seen.

WHY HAS THE MEDIA LOST IT’S ABILITY TO ASK QUESTIONS????
This explanation at least makes some sense. I just looked at it as another example of how the Bushies have “kept us safer”- “Homeland Security’ please - these idiots will stumble and fall on the button like a Wil Farrell skit.
But I am starting to wonder who else is W’s buddies- old Skull & Cross Bones- Bin Laden go to Yale ? Because the only evidence of any plan is the rapid decline of our freedoms, our economy, our sense of ‘UNITED STATES’ and people. W has to work for someone in the Middle East, Or in the OIL INDUSTRY- DICK. The true characters of “Pinky & the Brain”

MysteryBoy, I do remember the incident, but was not aware of the background on what he was working on. It does not surprise me that he was treated as he was, knowing several sailors and marines (NCO’s mostly) over the years that had similar suspicious things happen to those around them. I too think that these people who serve so honorably and are treated so wrongly should be recognized for their efforts.

Unfortunately, I doubt if that will ever happen, especially under the current administration. They will continue to do as they please until enough people are sick of it and stand up to them in GREAT numbers, with LOTS of MSM coverage. Just don’t see it happening. Too many young people are content with most things the way they are. Don’t want to watch anything but ‘reality shows’, rather than read or get involved in reality. Apathy and self-gratification rule. And the corporate monster licks his lips…

Larry, I commend you for truly great blogging. America needs many more like you.

I offer the following:

Until 1968, the Air Force routinely kept about a dozen strategic bombers with nuclear weapons flying at all times. Between 1959 and 1968, six bombers crashed, including in Ohio, Louisiana and Kentucky. Policy changes were considered after a crash in Spain in 1966.

Change became more urgent after a crash in Greenland in January 1968 dropped one nuclear weapon in the ocean. Apparently, the other three remain unaccounted for.

Soon after, all aircraft armed with nuclear weapons were grounded but kept in a constant state of alert.
In 1991 nuclear weapons were removed from all aircraft. Bomber nuclear ground alerts, during which nuclear weapons are loaded onto bombers during test and training exercises, were halted. After that time, all nuclear weapons to be delivered by plane were permanently maintained in storage facilities.

On August 30, for the first time since 1968, nuclear warheads were carried by an American bomber in combat configuration. Numerous international treaty provisions were violated in the process.

That Thursday, a B-52H Stratofortress flew from Minot AFB in North Dakota to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana carrying twelve Advanced Cruise Missiles, or ACMs, which are specifically constructed to deliver W80 nuclear warheads. Either five or six of the missiles actually contained nuclear warheads.

The W-80 weapon has a variable yield capability, of 5 to 150 kilotons. For comparison purposes, the Hiroshima bomb was 13 to 15 kilotons.

The Air Force admitted to an inadvertent error: The intent was to transport ACMs without weapons. According to military officers, the nuclear warheads should have been removed before the missiles were mounted on the pylons under the wings of the bomber.
This story was first reported by Army Times on Wednesday September 5, based on information it received from “anonymous officers”. The story was picked up by Yahoo Wednesday morning, published by USA Today and The Washington Post on Thursday, and then quickly spread.

An explanation was also quickly spread: This was a “deliberate leak” of a secret operation. The leak was intended to serve as a warning to Iran, as if we haven’t already given sufficient warning to Iran that they are about to be attacked if they do not quickly abandon their nuclear aspirations.
This is another official explanation that reeks to high heaven. This official explanation reads suspiciously like a flimsy cover story concocted in hasty desperation.

The CIA and the Office of Counter-Terrorism in the State Department quickly explained that Barksdale AFB is a “jumping off point” for re-supply of the Middle East, as if we haven’t already shipped sufficient weaponry, nuclear or no, to the Middle East. This tidbit is evidently intended to lead us to logically conclude the missiles are bound for Iran, scare Iran, or both.

But the Air Force claimed the missiles were being shipped to be decommissioned - a glaring discrepancy.

These 12 missiles are apparently part of a group of 400 that are to be decommissioned pursuant to what is commonly called the 2002 Moscow Treaty. They were being shipped from North Dakota to Louisiana as part of the decommissioning process.

The story claims the missiles were being shipped to Barksdale for decommissioning. But nuclear delivery missiles are normally decommissioned at Davis-Monthan AFB at Tucson. Nuclear weapons are decommissioned at the Department of Energy’s Pantex facility near Amarillo, Texas, accessed through Kirkland AFB in New Mexico.

The cover story also neglects to explain why SOPs were violated by shipping the missiles with nuclear warheads in missiles attached in combat
configuration on a combat aircraft, instead of as cargo in specially modified C-130s or C-17s, per SOP.

As to disciplinary/corrective action: The New York Times tried to imply the commanding general had been fired. Actually, the squad commander in charge of munitions crews at Minot was “relieved of duty pending an investigation” but has not been removed from his position. The crews involved have been “temporarily decertified pending corrective actions or additional training”. No mention was made of the wing commander.

Note carefully: These actions amount to nothing at all. The wing and squad commanders are still in place and the crews can easily be re-certified.
All of which brings us closer to the real issue. The cover story completely disregards elaborate safeguards in place to manage and oversee every step involved in storing, transporting and maintaining nuclear weapons.

Bluntly, the mistake of loading nuclear weapons on a combat aircraft in combat-ready position is simply not possible to make. Safeguards are far too stringent and far too many people would be involved. Particularly given that the mounting was in violation of policy that’s been in place without exception for almost 40 years.

A sophisticated computerized tracking system is used for nuclear weapons. Multiple sign-offs are required to remove the weapons from their storage bunkers.
Nuclear weapons are transported from the storage bunker to the aircraft in a caravan that routinely includes vehicles with machine guns front and rear and guards with M-16s. All steps in the process are done under the watchful eyes of armed military police.

Rules require that at least two people jointly control every step of the process. If one person loses sight of the other, both are temporarily “placed under arrest” by observant security forces. All progress stops until inspections are made to assure the weapons weren’t tampered with.

All nuclear weapons are connected to sophisticated alarm systems to prevent removal or tampering. They could only be removed from the storage bunker by turning the alarm off. And the squad commander clearly would not have authority to turn off the alarm.

Under SOPs, combat planes with combat-ready nuclear weapons can only be flown on the authority of the Commander in Chief, the Joint Chiefs of Staff or the National Military Command Authority.

The unsettling conclusion is inescapable: Someone in some sort of chain of Air Force command authorized this flight.

This conclusion further unsettles when we consider the slant of the stories, to wit: The Air Force was in control at all times. The weapons were only missing during the 3.5-hour flight.

News reports overlook that the weapons weren’t identified as being missing until nearly ten hours after the plane landed at Barksdale AFB. According to one report, this is the amount of time that was required for airmen at Minot AFB to convince superiors that the nuclear weapons had disappeared. According to information provided to Congress, this time lapsed before airmen at Barksdale “noticed” the weapons.

Now for the most chilling part of all. Early news reports spoke of five nuclear warheads loaded onto the bomber. Apparently, this ionformation was provided from Barksdale.

That number was later updated to six weapons missing from Minot, apparently based on anonymous tips provided to Military Times by people who are not authorized to discuss the incident.

Reading between the lines, which are being downplayed and confused with a myriad of collateral unimportant issues:

Six nuclear weapons disappeared from Minot AFB in North Dakota.

Five nuclear weapons were discovered at Barksdale AFB in Louisiana.

At Barksdale, the weapons were considered to be obsolete items headed for the scrap heap, of no particular importance and left unguarded for almost ten hours.

Which leads to my final supposition:

Anonymous heroes are hinting that someone, apparently operating under a special chain of command within the United States Air Force, just stole a nuclear weapon.

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Thanks again for your great work.
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G.W. has been gearing up for something “big” to happen so he can declare martial-law.
If a nuke is detonated and blamed on terrorists it would sure qualify as an excuse for martial law.
G.W. signed presidential directive 51 giving himself dictatorial power in an emergency.

Also there are these :
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/2479/1/140/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4289224.stm

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug05/Dangl0806.htm

http://www.antiwar.com/ips/valente.php?articleid=6911

http://www.ww4report.com/node/587

All stories claiming that the Bush family has purchased tracts of land in Paraguay.

Why Paraguay?

Maybe they know something we don’t!
It may be coincidence but it sure looks bad altogether.

My guess is that the administration has reluctantly decided NOT to use nukes IF conventional weapons can do the job. The nukes are being pre-positioned in case they are needed to finish the job.

Some (maybe most) elements of the military are strongly opposed to using nukes (i.e. some elements in the military are still sane and have not been corrupted or replaced yet). The administration has decided to humor them, because a mutiny in the military would be very bad for them. I suspect they are not sure how far they can push the military without getting pushback. Still, fear of being indecisive in the attack on Iran (as well as the perverse belief that we only lose wars when we fail to be ruthless enough) makes the administration really want to use nukes to make sure the job gets done. I will note that few people think conventional weapons can do the job.

Conventional wisdom has it that using nukes would be insane (which it would be) and that the Bush administration thus won’t use them. This is a non sequitur. The conventional wisdom has never acknowledged how radical the Bush administration is. In any case, it appears that some still-sane person(s) in the military leaked the information as a heads up to the rest of us.

I hope it is just a tactic to scare Iran. But think it is a vain hope. Bush really wants to break the taboo on nuclear weapon (he has said so specifically), which is why we are spending 10s of billions developing new, more “usable”, nukes.

[...] Nukes for Iran Not awesome. [...]

I would have to say that some people on this site need to remove their tin foil hats and relax. This was a mistake; plain and simple. Painting it up to be otherwise is a little presumptious and probably gives too much credit to our elected officials.

man stop all the bullshit talk . bring our men women AND our children home screw you bush and i don’t mean jr.

Let’s leave Iran alone and Nuke Peking China. After all they poisoned my dog’s food, my children’s toys and abused young children to make a profit! Shalom. Sincerely,
jfele@aol.com

More info?
http://ratiocinatonsofasavageheart.blogspot.com/2007/09/strange-case-of-six-misplaced-nuclear.html

I was an AF nuke weapons technican for 24 years. I retired only a few years ago and still work in the community. I can say with absolute certainty that this was a mistake. I don’t care what Mr. Johnson’s retired B52 pilot friend says. The man has been retired 8 years and that’s an eternity in the military. The old cold war nuclear mentality is gone. Pilots today are focused on conventional munitions missions because that’s where the glory is.
The pilots didn’t check the payloads because they were sure it wasn’t nuclear. The loaders didn’t check because they were sure it wasn’t nuclear. Whoever picked that pylon up made a critical error. They didn’t check, just assumed they knew what they were picking up. You can’t tell what payload is in a missile unless you check closely.
This is how accidents happen; a series of stupid mistakes. Heads are rolling and that wouldn’t happen if this were a planned event.
It’s irresponsible to make claims that are only speculation. You should be more concerned about the lack of attention to instructions.

Could this be about dismantling a bomb in order to plant incriminating material in Iran? Or is there a simpler way to do that?

George W. Bush is FILTH. This piece of scum will be worse than Adolf Hitler when he really gets started.

Bush is COMPLETE scum. A killer, a sociopath, and a LOWLIFE. There is nothing but human garbage in the White House.

America has been handed over to evil. Wait and see how many people are rounded up and killed.

Bush is human scum of the worst kind.

It is important to remember that martial law in the US will be enforced by the THREE MILLION foreign troops that have been brought into the USA under the guise of United Natons training programs. These foreign troops have no hesitation in shooting Americans. Many of them cannot wait for Martial Law to begin…so you can forget about Blackwater. Blackwater is the “Revolutionary Guard” of the top players in all of this. They are the REAL Secret Service.

The question of whether Dubya and his neocon filth brigade will contrive to see the 2008 elections cancelled should be approached from that of Dubya’s own self-interest. In other words, what would YOU do, if you were Dubya? Would you really just stand down, and give up all that power you have deliberately accumulated, to somebody else? Would you step down, and risk all forms of prosecutions for everything from illegal wiretapping, war crimes, war profiteering, abuse of power, and a host of offenses against the United States Constitution?

Folks, you will all soon realize that as far as anything even resembling Constitutional government in America is concerned - IT’S ALL OVER.

You will realize all of this within the next 15 months. In fifteen months time, you will have seen what REAL terrorism is, and this time you really will be TERRIFIED. You will have been gripped with the first of a series of STAGED events that are carefully designed to terrify all of mankind into accepting a new type of government.

People who are involved with establishing new forms of government are ALWAYS prepared to kill on a mass scale to achieve their ends. It makes no difference whether the new government system is to be communist, democratic, or a fascist dictatorship. They always firmly believe that their cause must be fulfilled, no matter how much killing has to be done.

What is really happening is that we are in the middle of the establishing of a new empire. George Bush is the chosen emperor - so you might just as well get used to having this filthy piece of trailer park trash as President because he will still be President in 2010. And don’t forget - you were warned.

If you want to know just HOW dangerous these people really are, research the Family Security Matters think tank.

This is what they say:

“If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestige while terrifying American enemies.

He could then follow Caesar’s example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world?”

You can research this matter for yourself. Simply Google this phrase: Family Security Matters Bush Dictatorship. Or click this link:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Family+Security+Matters+Bush+Dictatorship&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

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Excuse me, Mr. Gilligan, but I must have missed something importnat. What one of those Arab countries have ever attacked the United States?

I believe and hope those nukes were moved to Barksdale AFB to bomb Iran or at the very least to show force in order to get Iran to back down with their support of the insurgents currently killing our troops.
I further think that if the U.S. used a nuke against Iran as preemptive strike it, the U.S., would be justified in doing so to bring an end to the war’s on terror.

Just more coincidences…right?

Since the Minot story broke a week ago about the missing nukes & the outed clandestine operation from Minot, we have the following (for those who are paying attention):

1. All six people listed below are from Minot Airforce base
2. All were employed as loaders or as pilots on said B52
3. All are now dead
4. All within the last 7 days in ‘accidents’

http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=10465
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070915/BREAKINGNEWS/70915012
http://www.kxmc.com/News/161562.asp
http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=140988
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/07/20/news/state/136489.txt
http://www.komotv.com/news/local/9679367.html

Silly me, seeing more than there is to this story. I guess this is just another coincidence.

But no doubt now that there will be more coincidences in the near future because as I have stated before, you need about fourteen signatures to get an armed nuke onto a B-52, and they may have told their wives and friends, and god knows who else.

“The Pundit”

I worked at the SAC bases in the late 70’s as a civilian contractor after my stint in the military - my equipment was used for security purposes in the Bomber Alert and Weapons Storage areas at Minot, Grand Forks, Oscoda, etc. and my role in equipment installation, maintenence and AF personnel training afforded regular access to those locations.

Credentials established, let me debunk the premise.

Fact #1 -
We do not need to “stage” weapons at a particular base for a particular use. We can deploy nukes to Iran just as easily from Minot as Barksdale. They’ve all got really nice runways and capable aircraft for that purpose. There isn’t much flight difference from any US base to Tehran. So, forget the staging theory, it’s ignorant.

Fact #2 -
We move weapons inventory around all the time as maintenence and inspection schedules dictate, rotating them through various specialized facilities at various locations. This serves both the weapon and the weapon-handling and delivery training of teh crews that move them.

Fact #3 -
The Air Force makes mistakes all the time - that reality is factored into their (a) procedures to insure that no mistake propagates into a catastrophic event, and (b) training, oversight and disciplinary protocols that are intended to minimize their occurance. Reporting is part of both procedure and oversite to enhance future training. Leaking reports is also a reality which procedures and training are intended to minimize. Most of the time it all works.

This time a report of a mistake got leaked. Two process breakdowns?

Two possibilities: This was nothing more than an undesired leak of a mistake in the standard inpection/maintenence rotation of weapons. Two mistakes seems sinister until one realizes that there’s nothing to leak if a first mistake isn’t made.

Or - This was an intentional leak of an unintentional mistake intended to remind the Iranians we have active nukes, knowing you conspiracy theorists and fainting freddies will grab the bucket and spread the mist across the net, knowing full well the Iranians hang on your every blog, raising the anxiety floor in Tehran.

I seriously doubt the latter, but either way, you’re doing yeomans work in that regard - playing a potentially vital, low cost role in the administrations saber rattling.

Keep up the good work (snicker)

-Steeley

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I know!…

I wish CONGRESS, those “bought and sold”
SICK, SICK SOULS… understand just one thing - - - - -

If they think they are AFRAID of being “told on” for whatever crap they have done, whatever bribery, blackmail or what is happening …

THINK ABOUT OUR PEOPLE - OUR YOUNG SOLDIERS — INNOCENT IRAQI WOMEN, MEN, CHILDREN.

What kind of fear do THEY have when facing a bullet, a bomb, the realization of the TRUTH of our once GREAT democracy and what we have ALL LOST for greed?

WAKE UP CONGRESS - the people of this World
…. are YOUR PEOPLE!

WHAT WILL IT TAKE?

“No man is an island entire of itself. Every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.”

“Any man’s death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind; therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
it tolls for thee.”

We must see this, believe this, and live by it if we are to remain awake through a great revolution.

John Donne -

[...] by the Bush administration against Iran. In that post I noted that ex-CIA analyst Larry Johnson agreed with my analysis on his [...]

It is so sad that this story like many other miscondouct stories of this administration died!!!
The only time you will hear this story is if we keep it alive and demand that this corrupted money hungry government of ours 9Democrats and Republicans)stop stuffing their filthy pockets with blood stained money. This is not the America I love and live in.

What is our new agenda?

We need some way of gaining access to the ICBM launch mechanism in either Europe, China, India or America. Once we launch these nukes at various cities many of the global issues will be resolved.

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Just read all the comments. Great blog topic Larry. Sure glad folks got off Paul’s comment.

With all of the “cakewalk” in Iraq zealots saber rattling towards Iran the last four years why did Senator Clinton give these warmongers an opportunity to push their aggressive regime change agenda in Iran forward by voting for the Kyl Lieberman amendment in Oct 2007. And why did Senator Obama the antiwar (cough) candidate sit on the fence instead of voting no on this warmongering amendment?

I will not vote for Obama or Clinton until they commit to using diplomatic measures with Iran.

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I was an electrical systems specialist on B-52s at KI Sawyer AFB in the 70’s. What Larry stated is exactly right. There is no way that their could have been a “mistake” made in sending those uploaded planes to Barksdale with live nukes.

Having said that, how is Hillary’s vote on Kyl/Lieberman working out for ya? It gives Bush the authority to lauch attacks against the Iranian military from within Iraq. Gee, land those nukes at the airport in Iraq then launch them from Iraq to bomb sites in Iran…

Hmmm….

Was voting for Kyl/Lieberman (which dovetails with the IWR) a mistake????

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