Comments on: Simple Error My Ass http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:42:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Jack http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-1187588 Jack Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:40:08 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-1187588 <strong>Jack...</strong> Hopefully you can find the time to visit my site. I appreciate your effort and the quality of the information you provide.... Jack…

Hopefully you can find the time to visit my site. I appreciate your effort and the quality of the information you provide….

]]> By: Charles http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-1184307 Charles Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:59:08 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-1184307 <strong>air force personnel center...</strong> You have got to be kidding!... air force personnel center…

You have got to be kidding!…

]]> By: W.W Anderson, MSGT Ret http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-285309 W.W Anderson, MSGT Ret Wed, 28 May 2008 01:33:22 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-285309 Come on Troops This was a effective ploy to gather information about our operations. Let face it. Every thing that was " supposed to take place was bought to light by our answeres. The old additive is " If i put out info that i know to be true, and infuses foolish babaling, someone will get me stright." NOw, I have everything i need to figure it all out thanks to you. Cut it out. We airmen know what the real deal is. Its bullshit. Thats all the world need to know Ret: MSGT W. Anderson-Bufs for life Come on Troops
This was a effective ploy to gather information about our operations. Let face it. Every thing that was ” supposed to take place was bought to light by our answeres. The old additive is ” If i put out info that i know to be true, and infuses foolish babaling, someone will get me stright.” NOw, I have everything i need to figure it all out thanks to you.
Cut it out. We airmen know what the real deal is. Its bullshit. Thats all the world need to know

Ret: MSGT W. Anderson-Bufs for life

]]> By: Just Wondering http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-35160 Just Wondering Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:52:05 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-35160 <a href="http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/10/its-about-that-mutiny-air-force-covers.html" rel="nofollow">It's About that Mutiny</a> It’s About that Mutiny

]]> By: Amanda http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-35138 Amanda Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:31:01 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-35138 As a former USAF Ammo troop, I have learned that although we are taught to use integrity from day one we learn that telling the truth to people of power does not get you the kuddo's that you think it might. Unless the Army Times gives up the name(s) of those who leaked it, we may never know....or they may be one of those who have now sadly taken their own lives for standing up for what they thought was right...using their integrity. The military has no place for those with morals. As a former USAF Ammo troop, I have learned that although we are taught to use integrity from day one we learn that telling the truth to people of power does not get you the kuddo’s that you think it might. Unless the Army Times gives up the name(s) of those who leaked it, we may never know….or they may be one of those who have now sadly taken their own lives for standing up for what they thought was right…using their integrity. The military has no place for those with morals.

]]> By: Just Wondering http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-34061 Just Wondering Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:08:22 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-34061 So, I'll toss out a question here... Is the assertion that Barksdale is where cruise missiles are sent for decommissioning true or false? <strong>Tough Punishment Expected for Warhead Errors Officers May Lose Commands After Nuclear Missiles Were Flown on Bomber</strong> By Thomas E. Ricks and Joby Warrick Thursday, October 18, 2007 <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/17/AR2007101702300.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">WaPo article here</a> So, I’ll toss out a question here…

Is the assertion that Barksdale is where cruise missiles are sent for decommissioning true or false?

Tough Punishment Expected for Warhead Errors
Officers May Lose Commands After Nuclear Missiles Were Flown on Bomber

By Thomas E. Ricks and Joby Warrick
Thursday, October 18, 2007

WaPo article here

]]> By: Michael Gass http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-29125 Michael Gass Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:42:34 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-29125 Besides that... Only two out of the 6 were connected with either Minot or Barksdale and AFTER the incident in AUGUST (check the dates on the others... JULY). Neither of those two deaths shows a link between the deaths and that the airman were involved in the incident. Besides that…

Only two out of the 6 were connected with either Minot or Barksdale and AFTER the incident in AUGUST (check the dates on the others… JULY).

Neither of those two deaths shows a link between the deaths and that the airman were involved in the incident.

]]> By: franKnarf’s bloGolb » Blog Archive » Ulllp. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28882 franKnarf’s bloGolb » Blog Archive » Ulllp. Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:24:51 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28882 [...] former B52 pilot’s take on the recent movement of nukes: Simple Error My Ass. Read [...] [...] former B52 pilot’s take on the recent movement of nukes: Simple Error My Ass. Read [...]

]]> By: midwestvoter http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28836 midwestvoter Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:54:57 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28836 That was my initial thought too. Nuking one of our cities and blaming it on Iran sounds more like their style. That was my initial thought too. Nuking one of our cities and blaming it on Iran sounds more like their style.

]]> By: Richard http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28833 Richard Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:44:48 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28833 Nope, Haliburton. Nope, Haliburton.

]]> By: mareislander http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28736 mareislander Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:10:15 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28736 1.) I'm not persuaded that the missiles were moved from a bunker and loaded on an aircraft because armed missiles happened to be stored in the same bunker as unarmed missiles. I think that, even so, each missile would have had some indicators for loading crews to check--flags, tags, inspection windows, stencilled-on serial numbers, etc. 2.) Some general accounts of these missiles say that they are pre-mounted on pylons for quicker loading on the B 52's wings. If this is correct, then what happened is not a mistake of individual missiles getting loaded. Rather, two pylons of pre-loaded missiles were loaded on the B 52 by mistake. Misloading and then neglecting to look closely at two pylons and what they carried seems to me even less plausible. 3.) I've seen storage bunkers for conventional military weapons (bombs, shells) because I lived right next to a naval weapons station. They are, quaintly enough, covered with sod. One reason is that dirt and grass provides some buffer in case of an explosion. Another is that grass makes the bunkers, rows and rows of them, less visually intrusive on the landscape. This naval weapons station also stored nuclear warheads. I think that there were some special bunkers and facilities for nuclear weapons storage. All these weapons were moved about with forklifts and other large pieces of equipment. Even though the Navy never said *yea* or *nay* about the movement of nuclear weapons, it was common knowledge that they were typically moved ship to shore by air. The usual movement formation consisted of three helicopters. 4.) It crosses my mind that if nuclear weapons can be mistakenly loaded on a B 52 and flown cross country, then the various safety precautions and interlocks for those same weapons could mistakenly be inactivated. And an accidental nuclear detonation could take place. 1.) I’m not persuaded that the missiles were moved from a bunker and loaded on an aircraft because armed missiles happened to be stored in the same bunker as unarmed missiles. I think that, even so, each missile would have had some indicators for loading crews to check–flags, tags, inspection windows, stencilled-on serial numbers, etc.

2.) Some general accounts of these missiles say that they are pre-mounted on pylons for quicker loading on the B 52’s wings. If this is correct, then what happened is not a mistake of individual missiles getting loaded. Rather, two pylons of
pre-loaded missiles were loaded on the B 52 by mistake.

Misloading and then neglecting to look closely at two pylons and what they carried seems to me even less plausible.

3.) I’ve seen storage bunkers for conventional military weapons (bombs, shells) because I lived right next to a naval weapons station. They are, quaintly enough, covered with sod.

One reason is that dirt and grass provides some buffer in case of an explosion.

Another is that grass makes the bunkers, rows and rows of them, less visually intrusive on the landscape.

This naval weapons station also stored nuclear warheads. I think that there were some special bunkers and facilities for nuclear weapons storage.

All these weapons were moved about with forklifts and other large pieces of equipment.

Even though the Navy never said *yea* or *nay* about the movement of nuclear weapons, it was common knowledge that they were typically moved ship to shore by air. The usual movement formation consisted of three helicopters.

4.) It crosses my mind that if nuclear weapons can be mistakenly loaded on a B 52 and flown cross country, then the various safety precautions and interlocks for those same weapons could mistakenly be inactivated. And an accidental nuclear detonation could take place.

]]> By: Doug http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28622 Doug Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:46:54 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28622 Sorry "the Pundit" doesnt seem very credible. Sorry “the Pundit” doesnt seem very credible.

]]> By: Doug http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28614 Doug Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:49:30 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28614 Could this really be true? <blockquote>Minot AFB Clandestine Nukes 'Oddities' --By Lori Price, www.legitgov.org Updated: 19 Sep 2007 The following section was compiled by 'The Pundit.' Since the Minot story broke a week ago about the missing nukeclandestine operation from Minot, we have the following (for those who are paying attention): 1. All six people listed below are from Minot Airforce base 2. All were directly involved as loaders or as pilots 3. All are now dead 4. All within the last 7 days in 'accidents' [Not all of them --LRP] http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=10465 http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070915/BREAKINGNEWS/70915012 http://www.kxmc.com/News/161562.asp http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=140988 http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/07/20/news/state/136489.txt http://www.komotv.com/news/local/9679367.html Silly me, seeing more than there is to this story. I guess this is just another coincidence. But no doubt now that there will be more coincidences in the near future because as I have stated before, you need about fourteen signatures to get an armed nuke onto a B-52, and they may have told their wives and friends. "The Pundit"</blockquote> Could this really be true?

Minot AFB Clandestine Nukes ‘Oddities’ –By Lori Price, http://www.legitgov.org Updated: 19 Sep 2007

The following section was compiled by ‘The Pundit.’
Since the Minot story broke a week ago about the missing nukeclandestine operation from Minot, we have the following (for those who are paying attention):

1. All six people listed below are from Minot Airforce base
2. All were directly involved as loaders or as pilots
3. All are now dead
4. All within the last 7 days in ‘accidents’ [Not all of them --LRP]

http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=10465
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070915/BREAKINGNEWS/70915012
http://www.kxmc.com/News/161562.asp
http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=140988
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/07/20/news/state/136489.txt
http://www.komotv.com/news/local/9679367.html

Silly me, seeing more than there is to this story. I guess this is just another coincidence.

But no doubt now that there will be more coincidences in the near future because as I have stated before, you need about fourteen signatures to get an armed nuke onto a B-52, and they may have told their wives and friends.

“The Pundit”

]]> By: mudkitty http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28412 mudkitty Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:31:48 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28412 What a horror show it is. What a horror show it is.

]]> By: Nell http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28375 Nell Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:32:55 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28375 It links to the same post but at TPMCafe, where the commenters include people with more inclination to explore and grant the realities of Bomb Wing procedures than Larry or most commenters here. It links to the same post but at TPMCafe, where the commenters include people with more inclination to explore and grant the realities of Bomb Wing procedures than Larry or most commenters here.

]]> By: priscianus jr http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28227 priscianus jr Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:46:24 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28227 Further thoughts: this Warrick/Pincus report is clearly a whitewash for public consumption. But the actual military investigation is still going on. Whatever becomes public from that is probably going to be a whitewash as well. However, the incident is so disturbing that I am sure that all top military leadership, and the Pentagon, believe they really, truly need to know what happened and to prevent it from happening again-- so all kinds of military intelligence will be investigating, even if some elements may try to stymie the investigation. A rogue nuclear operation is not fun and games, it is serious,serious stuff. In the end, whoever turns out to be behind this is toast -- even if the real story never comes out. Further thoughts: this Warrick/Pincus report is clearly a whitewash for public consumption. But the actual military investigation is still going on. Whatever becomes public from that is probably going to be a whitewash as well. However, the incident is so disturbing that I am sure that all top military leadership, and the Pentagon, believe they really, truly need to know what happened and to prevent it from happening again– so all kinds of military intelligence will be investigating, even if some elements may try to stymie the investigation. A rogue nuclear operation is not fun and games, it is serious,serious stuff. In the end, whoever turns out to be behind this is toast — even if the real story never comes out.

]]> By: priscianus jr http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28218 priscianus jr Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:03:23 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28218 The post argues convincingly that this could not have been an accident. But there is a point that hasn't really been brought out in this discussion. If it wasn't an accident, then it was not only a major treaty violation, but also a major violation of military regs and protocols. The fact that the story was broken by Army Times (Sept. 5), a military paper, underscores the point. I'm not convinced that the person, or probably persons, who initially reported this necessarily violated security clearances. It makes more sense that they would have reported it to higher brass they could trust, and that someone much higher up the food chain leaked it to the military press. In other words, this was a rogue operation exposed by loyal and responsible military men doing their duty and obeying their oath to the US Constitution. These people, whoever they are, deserve the very highest praise. And the big question then is, who ordered the rogue operation? The post argues convincingly that this could not have been an accident. But there is a point that hasn’t really been brought out in this discussion. If it wasn’t an accident, then it was not only a major treaty violation, but also a major violation of military regs and protocols. The fact that the story was broken by Army Times (Sept. 5), a military paper, underscores the point. I’m not convinced that the person, or probably persons, who initially reported this necessarily violated security clearances. It makes more sense that they would have reported it to higher brass they could trust, and that someone much higher up the food chain leaked it to the military press. In other words, this was a rogue operation exposed by loyal and responsible military men doing their duty and obeying their oath to the US Constitution. These people, whoever they are, deserve the very highest praise. And the big question then is, who ordered the rogue operation?

]]> By: taters http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28217 taters Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:01:59 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28217 Larry, This has stayed with me all day. Powerful. Larry,
This has stayed with me all day. Powerful.

]]> By: Thinker http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28204 Thinker Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:17:54 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28204 Larry, you wrote that for me....didn't ya??? I told you they would nuke Iran <em>by accident</em>. The leaker needs to be given a medal and I suggest everyone with scruples in positions that count <strong>keep 'em peeled</strong> from now on. Larry, you wrote that for me….didn’t ya???

I told you they would nuke Iran by accident. The leaker needs to be given a medal and I suggest everyone with scruples in positions that count keep ‘em peeled from now on.

]]> By: bjobotts http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28134 bjobotts Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:11:33 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09/24/simple-error-my-ass/#comment-28134 With this administration lying and secrecy are common place. Paranoia is concrete thinking. Mistakes and coincidence are accepted as cover for a secret and illegal agenda. There is no trust or credibility with anything coming from this administration...period. That is what the neocons have made of America. With this administration lying and secrecy are common place. Paranoia is concrete thinking. Mistakes and coincidence are accepted as cover for a secret and illegal agenda. There is no trust or credibility with anything coming from this administration…period.
That is what the neocons have made of America.

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